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Scott Galloway
I'm Scott Galloway and this is no mercy, no malice. The US has had a great run, had the great rotation. As read by George Hahn.
Speaker E
Stay in your lane is a person's way of saying they disagree with you.
Speaker F
But they're too lazy to counter your points with any evidence or argument.
Speaker E
I get this a lot when I talk about politics.
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Separating business from politics is akin to.
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Believing that fish swim independent of the water's current America's toxic uncertainty is urging capital to look elsewhere. The world's biggest yard sale is taking place now that brand America is sick.
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And the world is on the front.
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Lawn hoping to pick up $26 trillion in economic activity on the cheap. Capital flows into EU index funds and.
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Institutional interest in investing in the US.
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Are at 30 year highs and lows respectively. As such, I believe Europe and China represent investment opportunities. Since the fourth quarter of 2024, I've been reallocating capital out of the U.S. note, this post isn't investment advice.
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The Amazon river flows eastward across South America for 6,400 kilometers before it empties into the Atlantic.
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But 65 million years ago, a blink of the eye in geological time, the Amazon flowed in the opposite direction toward the Pacific.
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Tidal rivers reverse their flow daily. Others reverse their flow annually as seasons change. Three times this century, the Mississippi reversed its flow during hurricane storm surges.
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In 1900, civil engineers reversed the flow of the Chicago river, changing its outlet from Lake Michigan to the Mississippi. Capital flows also shift cyclically and as.
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A result of human intervention.
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Unlike rivers, shifts in capital flows can.
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Be sudden and violent, as capital does.
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Not pledge allegiance but moves aggressively towards safety and opportunity. In the most recent bank of America.
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Fund manager survey, the allocation to U.S.
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Equities fell to a net 36% of underweight. That represents a 53 percentage point swing in the U.S. equity weighting since February.
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The biggest two month decline on record. In the same survey, 73% of fund managers said they believed U.S. exceptionalism had peaked. What began as a cyclical movement in capital akin to a river's seasonal change in direction now resembles a transformation on the scale of the Amazon's ancient rerouting. Though this shift was engineered and accelerated.
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By humans, like the redirection of the Chicago River. Heading into the recent NFL draft, Shedeur Sanders, the University of Chicago quarterback and son of NFL hall of Famer Deion Sanders, was considered a likely first round pick. As it turned out, he was the 144th overall pick in the fifth round.
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Costing him an estimated $40 million.
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I don't know what Deon told his.
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Son afterward, but here's what I'd tell.
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You'Re better than your worst moments, but never as good as your best ones.
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This regression to the mean is one of the most powerful forces in the world. Also, Deion should tell his son to.
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Tell his dad to shut the fuck up. Over the past decade, US equities have.
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Delivered an extraordinary 14.8% annual annualized return.
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Outpacing global ex US equities and eurozone equities. After a historic bull run, it's tempting to believe American exceptionalism is a permanent feature like gravity.
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Since 1975, however, the outperformance cycle for.
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US versus international equities has lasted eight years on average. At the end of 2024, the US was 13.8 years into the most recent one.
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US equities are regressing to the mean.
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Eleven months into the pandemic, Warren Buffett wrote in his annual shareholder letter quote.
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Despite some severe interruptions, our country's economic.
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Progress has been breathtaking. Our unwavering conclusion Never bet against America.
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This statement was based on a set of assumptions that our checks and balances.
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Protected the US engines of risk aggressiveness, rule of law, IP university research attracting premier human capital over the past 100.
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Days, it appears we've taken these things.
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For granted, and I now believe it.
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Makes sense to bet on other regions.
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Over the long run. I'm bullish on America, as there's no better platform for unleashing human potential. The question isn't whether to bet against America, however, but at what valuation. By the way, if a human was engineered to be the polar opposite of Warren Buffett, they'd look strikingly similar to Peter Navarro during the Great Recession, I.
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Bought Apple and Amazon at around $10.
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To $12 per share. After 15 years and a historic bull run, I'm up around 19x to 22x.
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Note, I also bought Netflix at $12 and sold at $10.
Speaker E
I get it wrong all the time. The chocolate and peanut butter was the combination of great companies priced at historic discounts.
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Since then, the natural disruptions that bring valuations down and transfer value from incumbents to entrants have been arrested by massive stimulus, I.e. deficits at the behest of an older generation, which is spending younger people's money.
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To prop up their wealth. But that's another post.
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The Great Rotation isn't as much a bet against US equities, but simply the.
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Recognition that US equities are overvalued relative to those of Europe and China. The S&P 500 trades at a multiple of 26x, the Stoxx Europe 600 index trades at a multiple of 14x, and the CSI 300 trades at a multiple of 15x. When stock valuations become inflated, future returns decline. I've done well with my Apple and Amazon investments, but with both of them trading at multiples of 34x, I've begun taking profits and looking for returns elsewhere. At the start of the year, investors.
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Were bullish on China for a few.
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Reasons strong corporate profits, AI breakthroughs, and the apparent easing of regulatory pressure from Beijing.
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The trade war and fears of a.
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Global recession have dampened China's growth forecasts. The IMF cut its GDP growth forecast for 2025 from 4.6% to 4%. But as I've written before, China is.
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Better positioned than the US to weather.
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The fallout from a trade war. I also believe that over the long.
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Run, tariffs will always trend towards zero.
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As consumers opt for cheaper goods over everything. Anyways, the stocks I'm looking at Alibaba, China's answer to Amazon saw its stock.
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Hit an all time high in 2020 and since then it's off 62%.
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Its co founder, Jack Ma, disappeared from.
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Public view after criticizing financial regulators.
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He resurfaced in 2023, but it wasn't until this February that President Xi blessed.
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His return in a meeting with Chinese entrepreneurs, urging them to show their talents. As one China watcher told cnbc, Xi sent a clear signal that China's policy.
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Priorities are private sector growth and AI.
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Last quarter Alibaba posted $38.5 billion in revenue, a 7.6% year over year jump.
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And its fastest rate of increase since since 2023. Net profit increased 3x year over year, coming in at $6.7 billion.
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Alibaba's growth was driven by its core.
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E commerce businesses and the progress it's making on its AI powered marketing tool. The stock is up 50% year over year.
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I believe Alibaba is well positioned to.
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Continue to take advantage of the US China AI race. Alibaba's challenge is expanding its consumer business units domestically and accelerating cloud growth, up 13% year over year this quarter, China's.
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Household spending is less than 40% of.
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The country's annual economic output, 20 percentage points below the global average. Closing that delta offers a massive opportunity.
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And again, China's leaders have signaled support for Alibaba.
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In his annual report to Parliament, Premier.
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Li Qiang prioritized consumption over long standing.
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Policies aimed at moving Chinese production up the value chain.
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While there's concern that Chinese consumers may.
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Reduce spending on non subsidized goods, it's worth thinking about what could go right. China may finally become a consumer economy, a transformation that would benefit Alibaba. Finally, BABA's cloud revenue will likely register.
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A surge as European firms shift their gaze east away from the US for cloud services.
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Starting at $8,000, the BYD Seagull has.
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A range comparable to those of other EVs and comes standard with autonomous driving technology.
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And in the coming years it will receive a battery upgrade with 5 minute charging capabilities. My Pivot co host Kara Swisher really wants one, but they aren't available in the US, a fact that hasn't slowed BYD's growth. Its first quarter revenue jumped 36% year over year to $23.5 billion, while its net profit doubled to $1.26 billion. This year, BYD is on track to.
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Sell 5.5 million vehicles, including 800,000 exports. BYD is the fastest growing brand in the UK.
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Meanwhile, Tesla, which registered a first quarter.
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Sales decline of 13% year over year.
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Trades at a multiple of 130x versus 20x for BYD. The Chinese company's mission is is to.
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Cool the Earth by 1 degree Celsius.
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And it's just launched its first cargo ship. Even before Liberation Day, capital inflows to European equities were at a decade long.
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High, suggesting the Great Rotation was already underway. The trade war has accelerated inflows, but.
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It'S also contributing to a growing sense of European patriotism. In the first two weeks of April.
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U S Focused funds managed by Amundi, State street and UBS saw a combined outflow of $4.5 billion.
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As I previously wrote, America's retreat from the post war order it created could be a catalyst for the EU to harness its economic strength and finally become a true union.
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After Germany's recent decision to lift its constitutional debt restrictions to boost defense spending.
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Above 2% of GDP, the bloc began.
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Discussions to encourage other member states to make similar fiscal reforms.
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A defense boom across the continent keeps Ukraine in the fight, but it's also.
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An economic stimulus for the eu.
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I try to avoid helicopters, but they're.
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Noisy and smell of fuel.
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To me, helicopters feel flimsy and crude, like a fan stuck on a soda can with duct tape. I spend most of the journey adding up the staggering number of points of failure. Statistically, helicopters are 26 times more likely to crash than commercial airplanes, and helicopter crashes are 230 times more likely to.
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Result in a fatality.
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The upside? Helicopters are one of the few last.
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Mile solutions at the premier chokepoint in travel.
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I recently participated in a $50 million pipe in a British company called Vertical.
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Aerospace that's developing an electric flying taxi.
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Electric vertical takeoff and landing aircraft. Aircraft are quieter than helicopters and emissions free, and they have lower projected operational and maintenance costs. They may also turn out to be safer as EVTOL aircraft use distributed propulsion.
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Systems with redundant motors and battery packs built for short hops with small payloads.
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EVTOL aircraft aren't meant to replace helicopters.
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But rather create a new last mile.
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Solution capable of delivering people, packages and.
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Meals without having to navigate through traffic jams on the ground.
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The EVTOL sector is in the process.
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Of testing and regulatory certification.
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The FAA is adopting new regulations, while.
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UK regulators are using an existing framework for aircraft under 5,700kg for interim operations and tailoring as they go.
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Also, the EU has realized that its.
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Rich Uncle Sam has gone batshit crazy and can no longer be count on.
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For support if the EU, per its.
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Claims, increases defense spending from 1.9% of GDP to 3%. An incremental $200 billion more will be spent on defense per annum. This, in my view, could be a turning point for EU stocks and tech firms.
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This wager is much riskier than betting on BABA or BYD as the bankruptcy risk is real, the Stock is off.
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97% from its high and American competitors.
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Joby and archer trade at 10x that valuation. I see this one as rocket fuel. It's got enormous thrust upside, but it's dangerous. Downside. I went to a pop up bar.
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Last night run by the door women.
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From the recently burned down Chiltern firehouse.
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Enormous fucking bummer.
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I believe the universe was not comfortable.
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With me having access.
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They liked me for some reason. To the best room in Europe.
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The natural order has been restored and.
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Now I'm back at members clubs with.
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Other middle aged men trying to fill the void in their chest with alcohol and clinging to the myth that David.
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Beckham and Guy Ritchie also hang out there too much.
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Anyway, it wasn't about the venue but.
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The people in the room. And it's the same here with Vert. I co invested with my friend Jason Mudrick, Mudrick Capital.
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The previous investments he stitched me into returned 4x and 30x. So he had me at hello. As Brand America shifts from prosperity and.
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Rights to oligarchy and corruption, I distract myself with the great American pastime, wondering how I make money here. The greatest own goal since Brexit, Iraq, Vietnam is underway and as in any disruption there is an explosion in Alpha. It's fun and again helps distract me from watching the pillars that provided me.
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With a life my immigrant parents couldn't imagine.
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Crumble.
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It helps sort of.
Scott Galloway
Life is so rich.
Podcast: The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Host: Scott Galloway
Episode Release Date: May 3, 2025
Narrator: George Hahn
In the episode titled “No Mercy / No Malice: The Great Rotation,” Scott Galloway delves into a transformative period in global capital markets. As the United States experiences what Galloway terms the "Great Rotation," capital begins to shift away from traditional strongholds towards emerging opportunities in Europe and China. This comprehensive analysis uncovers the underlying factors driving this shift, explores investment opportunities, and examines the broader economic and technological implications.
The episode opens with a metaphor comparing capital flows to the directional shifts of rivers. Speaker E (01:33) astutely notes, “Stay in your lane is a person's way of saying they disagree with you,” highlighting the resistance to opposing viewpoints in economic discourse. Speaker F (01:38) adds, “But they're too lazy to counter your points with any evidence or argument,” emphasizing the superficial disagreements often encountered in financial discussions.
Speaker E (01:48) explains, “America's toxic uncertainty is urging capital to look elsewhere. The world's biggest yard sale is taking place now that brand America is sick,” illustrating the significant outflow of capital from the U.S. to international markets. This shift is quantified as a movement of approximately $26 trillion in economic activity moving out of the U.S., with a corresponding surge in European index funds and diminishing interest in U.S. equities.
Drawing a parallel to natural phenomena, Speaker E (02:39) states, “The Amazon river flows eastward across South America for 6,400 kilometers before it empties into the Atlantic. But 65 million years ago, a blink of the eye in geological time, the Amazon flowed in the opposite direction toward the Pacific.” This illustrates the potential for significant and rapid shifts in capital flows, akin to geological changes.
Speaker F (03:13) adds, “Unlike rivers, shifts in capital flows can be sudden and violent, as capital does,” underscoring the volatility and unpredictability of financial markets compared to natural water flows.
The episode highlights Europe as a burgeoning hub for investment. Speaker E (13:07) observes, “As I previously wrote, America's retreat from the post-war order it created could be a catalyst for the EU to harness its economic strength and finally become a true union.” Recent policy changes, such as Germany lifting constitutional debt restrictions to boost defense spending, indicate a strategic shift towards economic and military prowess.
The increase in defense spending, Speaker F (13:52) notes, "Above 2% of GDP, the bloc began discussions to encourage other member states to make similar fiscal reforms," signals a move towards greater fiscal responsibility and collective strength within the EU. This economic stimulus is expected to foster growth within European markets, making them attractive for investors.
China emerges as a critical player in the Great Rotation. Speaker E (08:59) mentions, “China is better positioned than the US to weather the fallout from a trade war,” suggesting resilience amidst global economic tensions. Despite the IMF cutting its GDP growth forecast for 2025 from 4.6% to 4%, China’s strategic initiatives in AI and private sector growth present lucrative opportunities.
Speaker F (09:56) adds, “China may finally become a consumer economy, a transformation that would benefit Alibaba,” indicating a shift towards a more consumption-driven economy. This transition is expected to bolster companies like Alibaba, which stands to gain from increased domestic spending and advancements in AI-powered technologies.
Alibaba is spotlighted as a prime investment opportunity in China. Speaker E (09:06) states, “Alibaba's challenge is expanding its consumer business units domestically and accelerating cloud growth,” highlighting the company’s strategic focus areas. Recent financial performance underscores Alibaba’s growth, with Speaker F (10:05) noting, “Alibaba posted $38.5 billion in revenue, a 7.6% year-over-year jump... Net profit increased 3x year over year, coming in at $6.7 billion.”
Alibaba’s innovative strides in AI and cloud computing have positioned it favorably within the competitive landscape, especially against U.S. counterparts like Amazon and Microsoft. The company's ability to navigate regulatory challenges and capitalize on technological advancements makes it a compelling choice for investors seeking growth beyond U.S. borders.
In the electric vehicle (EV) sector, BYD is contrasted against Tesla to highlight shifting dynamics. Speaker E (12:00) introduces BYD's latest offering, the BYD Seagull, emphasizing its competitive pricing and advanced autonomous driving technology. Speaker F (12:41) points out, “Tesla, which registered a first quarter sales decline of 13% year over year, trades at a multiple of 130x versus 20x for BYD,” underscoring BYD’s more attractive valuation.
BYD’s rapid growth is evident, with Speaker E (12:30) revealing, “This year, BYD is on track to sell 5.5 million vehicles, including 800,000 exports. BYD is the fastest growing brand in the UK.” In contrast, Tesla's higher valuation and recent sales decline suggest potential overvaluation and market challenges.
The discussion transitions to the burgeoning EVTOL industry, with Speaker E (14:38) sharing his investment in Vertical Aerospace, a company pioneering electric flying taxis. Speaker F (15:16) explains, “EVTOL aircraft aren't meant to replace helicopters but rather create a new last mile solution capable of delivering people, packages, and meals without having to navigate through traffic jams on the ground.”
EVTOL technology promises quieter, emissions-free operations with lower maintenance costs, potentially revolutionizing urban transportation. Regulatory advancements, as mentioned by Speaker E (15:42), are crucial for the sector’s growth, with the FAA and UK regulators actively developing frameworks to accommodate these innovative aircraft.
Europe's strategic policy shifts, particularly in defense spending, serve dual purposes of enhancing military capabilities and stimulating economic growth. Speaker E (13:55) explains, “A defense boom across the continent keeps Ukraine in the fight, but it's also an economic stimulus for the EU.” This infusion of capital into defense not only fortifies Europe’s geopolitical stance but also stimulates industries related to defense and technology, making European markets increasingly attractive for investment.
The EU's move to encourage member states to follow Germany’s example in lifting debt restrictions indicates a broader commitment to fiscal reform. Speaker E (14:10) states, “Premier Li Qiang prioritized consumption over long-standing policies aimed at moving Chinese production up the value chain,” which parallels the EU’s efforts to balance fiscal responsibility with economic growth, fostering a more resilient and unified economic bloc.
The speakers share personal investment experiences to illustrate broader market trends. Speaker E (07:01) recounts purchasing Apple and Amazon stocks at significantly lower prices, achieving substantial returns over 15 years. However, recognizing the current overvaluation, Speaker E (07:14) expresses a shift towards taking profits and seeking opportunities elsewhere, signaling a strategic pivot aligned with the Great Rotation.
Amidst the financial discourse, the speakers interject personal anecdotes that reflect the emotional and social dimensions of economic shifts. Speaker E (17:06) humorously describes being unwelcome at a pop-up bar, paralleling the unpredictability and personal impact of market movements. These stories humanize the financial analysis, underscoring the pervasive influence of economic trends on everyday life.
The episode concludes with a balanced assessment of the risks and opportunities inherent in the Great Rotation. Speaker F (16:36) cautions, “This one as rocket fuel. It's got enormous thrust upside, but it's dangerous. Downside,” referring to investments in emerging sectors like EVTOL. Conversely, Speaker E (07:27) remains optimistic about the long-term potential of European and Chinese markets, despite short-term fluctuations.
Scott Galloway emphasizes the importance of strategic positioning in response to shifting capital flows. Investors are encouraged to diversify and explore opportunities beyond traditional U.S. equities, considering sectors and regions poised for growth. The Great Rotation represents not just a shift in capital but a redefinition of global economic landscapes, urging investors to adapt and capitalize on emerging trends.
“No Mercy / No Malice: The Great Rotation” offers a deep dive into the evolving dynamics of global capital markets. Scott Galloway, through insightful analysis and engaging discussions, highlights the profound shifts in investment landscapes, urging listeners to reassess their strategies in light of emerging opportunities in Europe and China. The episode serves as a compelling guide for investors navigating the complexities of a rapidly changing economic world.