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Episode: Raging Moderates: How Obamaworld is Elevating Zohran Mamdani (feat. David Axelrod)
Host: Jessica Tarlov (guest hosting for Scott Galloway)
Guest: David Axelrod
Release Date: August 20, 2025

Episode Overview

This episode of "Raging Moderates" brings together Jessica Tarlov and political strategist David Axelrod for a lively, centrist breakdown of current U.S. political developments. The conversation traverses the implications of redistricting fights in major states, Donald Trump’s foreign policy maneuvers—particularly regarding Ukraine and Russia—and the Democratic party’s internal debates after Zohran Mamdani’s insurgent victory in New York. Axelrod draws on his years in Obamaworld to analyze both tactical politics and broader existential questions for Democrats in the era of Trump and polarization.

Key Discussion Points

1. Gavin Newsom, Redistricting, and Democratic Strategy (05:00–16:15)

• California’s redistricting fight:

  • Governor Newsom is aggressively pushing to redraw California’s congressional maps, potentially securing up to five new Democratic seats and safeguarding swing districts.
  • This is presented as a direct response to Republican redistricting maneuvers in Texas, openly supported by Donald Trump.
  • Newsom frames this as "meeting a serious moment in American history head on" (11:40), pegging the fight as existential for democratic institutions.

  “It's really important to understand Trump's philosophy. It's not conservative or liberal. It's simply this: that the world is a kind of corrupt dystopia, kind of the Hunger Games, and the strong take what they want however they can get it, and the weak fall away.” — David Axelrod [06:30]

• Political challenge:

  • Despite the plan’s tactical logic, it's a “convoluted workaround” and will be difficult to sell to voters, according to Axelrod.
  • The ballot measure must be approved in November, with hundreds of millions set to be spent on both sides.
  • Newsom’s image is rising—especially among women—but his vulnerabilities as a “California candidate” linger (homelessness, drugs, etc.).

  “Sometimes the politics and the merit of the mission marry up. And I think in this case he's doing what's appropriate.” — David Axelrod [09:52]

• Democratic Party & Social Media:

  • Newsom’s strong messaging is resonating online, energizing the base in a way other Democratic leaders have failed to do.
  • The generational gap (“age problem”) in Democratic leadership is highlighted as a key obstacle for effective digital outreach.

2. Trump, Mail-In Ballots, and the 2026 Midterms (16:16–19:45)

• Trump’s crusade against mail-in ballots:

  • Axelrod notes the irony that Republicans historically benefited from mail-in voting, but Trump’s attacks are intended to “wound Democrats.”
  • The GOP’s challenge will be mobilizing irregular Trump voters in a midterm with low turnout; Democratic advantages persist among habitual, educated voters.

  “The Trump campaign in 2024...was very well run and very smart. They knew from the beginning that they were gonna have to compete on the battlefield of early voting and mail-in ballots. So they cut Democratic advantage there.” — David Axelrod [16:26]

• Outlook for midterms:

  • Historically, Democrats should do well, but Trump’s capacity to defy precedent creates persistent anxiety.
  • Economic issues and the “degraded Democratic brand” are central risks.

3. The Democratic Brand Crisis and Path Forward (19:45–26:27)

• Party alignment shift:

  • Increasingly, Democrats are “the party of metropolitan college-educated voters,” out of sync with working-class Americans.
  • The party is perceived as “missionaries and anthropologists” condescending to help, rather than connecting authentically.

  “Democrats approach working people, particularly the white working class...as missionaries and as anthropologists, and they show up and say, we're here to help you become more like us...and it's laden with a kind of maybe unintended disrespect.” — David Axelrod [21:31]

• The essential worker disconnect:

  • Pandemic “essential workers” were celebrated and then quickly forgotten.
  • The problem: Democrats must listen more and speak with respect for both people and their concerns.

• Renewal vs. Restoration:

  • Voters want more than a return to the pre-Trump status quo; they seek “something bolder, more authentic, more connected.”
  • The American system feels rigged: “Democrats have to become the party of renewal, not just restoration.”

4. Generational Change and New Democratic Voices (25:43–27:37)

• Centrists in swing districts:
  • Younger leaders (Auchincloss, Gallego, Ryan, McMorrow, Glusenkamp Perez) are presented as models for pragmatic politics and constituent focus.
  • Success in tough districts = “commonsense” politics and willingness to challenge both parties.
  • Axelrod: Candidates who embrace authentic, innovative, and locally resonant ideas will shape 2026 and 2028 electorally.

5. Trump, Putin, and the Ukraine Peace Diplomacy Circus (30:49–45:22)

• Trump’s Alaska summit with Putin:

  • Despite Trump’s “fire and brimstone” rhetoric about demanding a ceasefire, the meeting produces few tangible outcomes.
  • Axelrod asserts Trump is psychologically and philosophically aligned with Putin—not necessarily blackmailed, but admiring.

  “He went in like a lion and came out like a kitten, which has been the story of his relationship with Putin.” — David Axelrod [32:01] “Trump's the easiest mark on the planet. Every leader in the world now knows...all you need to do is flatter Trump.” — David Axelrod [35:45]

• European and U.S. skepticism:

  • European leaders back Zelenskyy in his insistence that fighting must stop before negotiations, while Secretary of State Rubio warns the US is “nowhere near a deal” [31:13].

  • Axelrod: Any peace deal must be “verifiable, enforceable, and enduring,” or it’s just temporary capitulation. Comparison to Neville Chamberlain is invoked.

  • “If Putin had the most compromising material on Trump, would he behave that much differently than he is right now?” — David Axelrod [39:01]

• Lesson from the Obama years:

  • Obama-era efforts to “reset” with Russia ultimately failed as Putin’s expansionist ambitions were immutable.
  • Both Obama and Biden were eventually clear-eyed; the main critique: not providing Ukraine with more robust aid when Russia faltered.

  “Putin has grand expansionist dreams and is willing, as we can see, to sacrifice millions of his people to that goal. And we need to approach him in that way.” — David Axelrod [44:37]

6. Obamaworld Warms to Zohran Mamdani (48:19–56:34)

• Mamdani’s mayoral primary victory:

  • Seen as an ideological earthquake, with party leaders nervous; “Obamaworld” (Obama, Patrick Gaspard, Jon Favreau, Dan Pfeiffer) reaches out to support or advise him, focusing on his positive, youth-driven campaign.

  “He won an impressive victory in New York and he seemed like an interesting person...he's asking the right question, which is how do we make this a livable and affordable city for all New Yorkers and not just for the wealthiest?” — David Axelrod [49:02]

• Generational/attitudinal divide:

  • Axelrod concedes he disagrees with some Mandani policies, especially on the Middle East, but thinks it’s vital to respect local voters’ choices.
  • Jewish concerns about Mamdani are real, but he still notched notable support from that community. The Democratic base, especially the youth, needs a signal of hope, not just fear of alternatives.

  “I'd rather take a bet on a hopeful candidate than on a cynical one.” — David Axelrod [56:34]

• Renewed hope and “change” messaging:

  • Axelrod continues to insist on hope-in-politics, saying:

    “I still believe that the core of democracy is our ability to use the tools that we're given...That's part of the genius of America.” [56:44]

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Trump’s worldview:

  "Rules and laws and norms are for suckers...he called the governor of Texas, who by all accounts reluctantly agreed to reintroduce redistricting in the middle of a 10 year period, which is highly, highly unusual, in order to try and get five seats. You can imagine the conversation, you know, that it sounded a little bit like what happened in Georgia. You know, 'just find me five seats.'" — David Axelrod [06:30]

• On “Hobbesian” decline and hope:

  "Didn’t want to take the Hobbesian view of everything, that it’s just nasty, brutish, and short… but I very much feel that way… I don’t want those days of my life to look that way. You want to be having a substantive conversation about what could have happened and what Zelensky reasonably could give up without completely selling out his country." — Jessica Tarlov [37:55]

• On restoring Democratic vibrancy:

  "Voters want something better, they want something new. They want what will actually respond on a daily basis to their concerns and not the concerns of big moneyed lobbyists and campaign contributors.” — David Axelrod [23:32]

• On the Obama/Mamdani connection:

  “What I saw when I went over to his headquarters were a lot of young people who did as well. And I thought that was a very encouraging thing.” — David Axelrod [57:26]

Timestamps for Key Segments

• Opening/Guest intro/Stuyvesant banter: 01:45–04:41
• California redistricting/Newsom: 04:59–13:24
• Future of Dems, party brand, generational divide: 13:25–27:32
• Trump, midterms, and mail-in voting: 16:16–19:45
• Ukraine, Putin, and peace negotiations: 30:49–45:22
• Obama, past Russia policy: 42:31–45:22
• Mamdani’s win and Obamaworld’s response: 48:19–57:26
• Hope, generational change, Democratic renewal: 56:34–end

Conclusion

In this engaging, candid episode, Jessica Tarlov and David Axelrod deliver a bracing centrist take on the political moment. Axelrod deftly diagnoses the Democratic Party’s status quo malaise, celebrates the power of renewal and hope, and traces the psychological currents running from statehouse redistricting battles to the high-stakes theater of international diplomacy. The segment on Zohran Mamdani’s insurgent success offers both a signal of generational renewal and a flashpoint for the party’s deep debates about coalition and direction. The tone throughout is pragmatic but rooted in optimism—a recurring reminder that democracy’s genius lies in its capacity for self-correction, even in polarizing times.