B (3:15)

It was such a frustrating press conference because he brought up an objective that is now off the list. Secretary Rubio laid out the four objectives yesterday that are left. And by the way, there's no language anymore about obliterating anything. We're just trying to diminish things now, which, of course, on the sliding scale, could be anything from like, we nicked it to we blew it up a little, to they're already firing more missiles than they were last week, which is a huge deal and change in the state of play. But when he talks about nuclear material, that's gone. Regime change that lets the Iranian people live freely, that's gone off the list. And I don't know if you saw this. The Wall Street Journal reported it last night, and then Trump confirmed it this morning on Truth Social that he's open to an arrangement where he, the U.S. leaves before the Strait of Hormuz is reopened. So that essentially just leaves Iran in charge of the straight, and they can negotiate any deal that they want. We know already they're making more money than they were before. They're cutting their own deals. Like, all the tankers that are going through aren't our tankers. Right. They're Pakistani tankers, Indian tankers, Chinese tankers. They're supplying the world with oil again, just at a higher price and filling up their coffers, plus the 14 billion that we gave them back when we eased sanctions on them in a middle of a war that we said was existential for us is so unbelievably frustrating. And like, it continues the, you know, the drumming from the right of, you're not a patriot if you're just calling out, using their language back at them. It's like my Favorite thing to do on the five where I say, you don't even have to trust me. Right. I'm just going to give you a series of quotes of high ranking Republican officials and the things that they're saying and you can see how they don't match what they said 24 hours ago. It's a completely schizophrenic administration when it comes to this war. And I'm worried that it's just going to like the final nail in the coffin of the global world order. So Poland doesn't want to help us. Spain and Italy in the last 24 hours have come out and said like, you can't land here en route to that. The UK doesn't want to information share with us in the way that we typically could rely on. And we're saying we're going to peace out before the Strait is reopened. What will be the main achievement of any of this?

A (5:42)

Yeah, it's. Even if the Islamic Republic was open to negotiations, what do they even start negotiations around? It's not entirely clear what the administration is asking for, what their objectives are. And the most disturbing part of that word salad was it could be any number in terms of duration. Well, does that mean it could be eight years and $3 trillion? It just feels as if we have absolutely no credibility in the international community. Russia has a tighter relationship with Iran than we have with our European allies right now. And what's interesting is that China, who I initially thought was going to be a big loser here because of their dependence upon oil coming through the Strait of Hormuz, might end up being the big winner because the Western countries who fucked up and maintained a Western alliance and tried to be dignified with the President. South Korea, the Philippines, Japan, they are just as energy dependent or dependent upon imports as China. But China's oil is getting through. So relatively speaking, China is about to expand its economic dominance in Southeast Asia or in Asia. Meanwhile, all of our allies are like, oh my God, it all comes back to that great Animal House quote, you fucked up, you trusted us. Whether it's Canada letting their export volume go to 75% of their exports into the US thinking that they had a great relationship with us, or whether it's Asian nations and our allies thinking, well, the US Appears to know what it's doing. Even when we disagree with them, we're going to keep quiet. We're going to continue to share intelligence. And now, arguably the strongest ally in history with us, at least for the last call. It since 1945, has been with the UK and maybe with the exception of Canada, and now the UK is saying, we're not going to provide you with information. So words matter, communication matters. And even if someone in the IRGC said it's time to negotiate or back channel, who do they call? What is the message? What is the administration looking for? And also every day, this goes on with this flailing. It's like trying to deal with a drunk octopus. It makes them look like the adults and makes us look like the bad guys that the world community can't trust.

B (8:09)

Well, on top of it, you know, part of the calculus of the Trump administration has always been that we're going to recenter our ally nexus to the Middle east, right, and create these great partnerships with the Gulf states. And the Gulf states are saying you have to keep going. Like, you can't poke the bear and then leave us here essentially at this point. And so you have this push and pull from the signals that, that he's getting from Americans at home. I mean, his approval rating was generous yesterday when I said it was at 40%. There are now a number of polls that have him in the mid-30s, even low-30s. Right. You have gas hitting over $4 a gallon today. What's diesel up to, like 550, so that decimates, you know, trucking industries, housing construction, et cetera. And we're saying, like, you got to focus on what's going on at home. Our European allies are saying this is so harebrained, and you haven't been able to give us a decent briefing to explain what a decent set of goals are or what an exit strategy is. And so no one's happy on that side. And then the Gulf states aren't even happy with what's going on. Would they prefer a world without Ayatollah Junior in it? And the IRGC as it's currently constituted a hundred percent, but we've even stopped taking out key members of the leadership, which I feel like is an admission to that this is kind of it, right? That, you know, there is no Delsey Rodriguez waiting in the wings for when, you know, she can come into it, will definitely be a he in Iran. But you know what I mean? Like, there's no moderate leader that you feel like you can make a deal with. And some of the more moderate forces that we've seen are now just out there trolling Trump online mercilessly, like everybody knows what his game is, right? That he's going to tweet a couple hours before the market opens, try to smooth things over. And I feel like, you know, we tried to put out our best AI slop from the White House account with the, you know, Super Mario themed battle plans, but we're getting trolled worse than anything that we're producing at this point, which I'm sure is even more humiliating to him than whatever is actually happening on the battlefield.

A (10:28)

So just some data here. The war has now cost more than $25 billion. And I think it's important that we start creating context around the cost. So that's enough to pay for Medicaid coverage for over 3 million people for a year, free tuition for a two year associate degree for nearly 3 million people and give nearly 30 million children free school lunch for a year. I think Bernie Sanders proposal for free college was 50 billion a year. And there are some people saying that this is a quagmire that ultimately is going to cost a trillion dollars. And I think one of the most. So the first ballot hall of fame geopolitical catastrophes of the last of this, I would argue, of this century was George or W Deciding to go into Iraq. Trillions of dollars, 4,500 US servicemen, I believe, lost hundreds of thousands of people in Iraq. But philosophically, I think the real damage that was done was that the administration, Bush said to America, we can have wars and cut your taxes. And the problem is the American people believed him. Before we go, a reminder that not only is Raging Moderates now five days a week, we're now available on Substack. Subscribers get ad free episodes, live streams and a place to connect with me, Jess and the rest of the community. Find us@raging moderates.propagingmedia.com Also, as I continue to pat us on the back, big news, we've been nominated for a Webby award for best best news and politics podcasts. We need your help to bring it home. Please head to vote.webyawards.com vote.webbyawards.com you want to send President Trump a message? Go to vote.webyawards.com and cast your vote for Raging Moderates for best politics podcast. Show us some love. That's all for this episode. Thanks for joining us today.

B (12:17)

See you later.

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