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Podcast: The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Episode: Trump’s World Order — Live from Davos, with Niall Ferguson
Date: January 22, 2026
Host: Scott Galloway
Guest: Niall Ferguson (Historian, author, public intellectual, entrepreneur)
Location: Live from Davos

Episode Overview

The episode examines the evolving global order in the Trump era, focusing on key shifts in U.S. foreign policy, trans-Atlantic alliances, the effects on global power dynamics, and ongoing conflicts such as Ukraine and Venezuela. Galloway and Ferguson engage in a frank, rapid-fire discussion about President Trump's recent address at Davos, the West’s resilience (or lack thereof), the rise of spheres of influence, America's relationship with its allies, China as a primary adversary, and the strategic realities of Ukraine and elsewhere.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump’s Davos Performance: Distraction or Strategy?

• Trump’s Manipulation of the Agenda: Ferguson highlights Trump’s ability to seize the news cycle, citing his controversial statements about Greenland as a calculated distraction.
  • “President Trump…is extremely good at leading the news, setting the agenda, and being the number one topic of conversation.” (Ferguson, 03:13)
• Maskirovka and Deflection: Ferguson argues Trump’s Greenland remarks are classic “maskirovka” — a Russian term for deception — to distract European leaders from more pressing issues, particularly Iran and U.S. military maneuvers in the Persian Gulf.
  • “This is Maskirovka…a huge distraction operation which has ensured that the Europeans don’t spend the week saying, ‘please deescalate in the Middle East’…” (Ferguson, 04:14)

2. Realigning U.S. Global Power & Military Actions

• Military Posturing and Venezuela as a Warning Shot: Ferguson posits that Trump’s swift intervention in Venezuela demonstrated the U.S.’ unmatched military reach, unlike Russia’s prolonged Ukraine war.
  • “Venezuela was part of the…sphere of influence…the bad guys, the authoritarians…by decapitating the Venezuelan regime, President Trump sent a very clear signal that he is capable of deploying lethal force.” (Ferguson, 06:09)
  • “Putin’s approaching year five of a war against Ukraine that he thought would be over in a matter of days…Trump did it in 35 minutes.” (Galloway/Ferguson, 07:05)
• The China-Russia-Iran-North Korea Axis: Ferguson argues the world is in “Cold War II,” with China supplanting the USSR as the main adversary.
  • “It’s a familiar old world order of Cold War. We are in Cold War Two. China has taken the place the Soviet Union used to occupy.” (Ferguson, 08:20)

3. U.S. Alliances: Strengthening or Fraying?

• Disdain for Historical Alliances: Trump’s rejection of the traditional alliance system is a recurring theme, with Ferguson noting that while disruptive, it has finally moved Europe towards increased defense commitments.
  • “What distinguished President Trump…is his disdain for allies and his view that they are essentially on the take…He set out to change that.” (Ferguson, 13:08)
  • “The first president to get the Europeans to commit to a significant increase in their defense spending is President Trump.” (Ferguson, 14:16)
• Strategic Provocation: Ferguson asserts Trump’s brinkmanship is intended to prod European partners into action—not to truly rupture the alliance.
  • “I don’t think President Trump will one day announce, ‘I’m done with NATO’…It’s all classic Trump bluff.” (Ferguson, 16:15)

4. Shifting Global Trade and China's Role

• China's Competitive Rise: Both speakers discuss China’s rapid dominance in multiple industrial sectors, which has upended Germany and Europe’s economic model.
  • “The Germans are having their lunch eaten, their manufacturing sector is being hit hard by Chinese competition…and now doing stuff in chemicals and pharma that we never thought was possible.” (Ferguson, 25:42)
• Limits of Reorienting Away from the U.S.: Ferguson argues that, despite European frustration, there is little real alternative to facing toward America given China’s closed and mercantilist economic system.
  • “You would not want to live in a world in which China was the dominant power…That would be a much inferior world, even to Donald Trump’s extraordinary and egotistical style.” (Ferguson, 27:23)

5. The “New World Order” Debate: Withdrawal vs. Flexing

• Spheres of Influence or Global Engagement? Galloway expresses concern that America is withdrawing into its own sphere, reducing its global influence. Ferguson counters that, rhetorically, the administration borrows from early 20th-century U.S. history, but in practice, America remains globally engaged and the anchor of Western defense, especially nuclear deterrence.
  • “We need to just take Trump seriously, but not literally.” (Ferguson, 31:36)
  • “Throughout the period since 1945…Europeans have relied on the U.S. for their nuclear security…it’s an American public good that is made available to Europeans.” (Ferguson, 32:42)

6. Ukraine: Stalemate, Peace, and Lessons from History

• West’s Support and Future Outcomes: Ferguson is blunt about the difficulties Ukrainians face as the war drags on, seeing only two outcomes: Ukrainian defeat or a compromise peace with territorial concessions to Russia.
  • “There are two scenarios: Scenario one, Ukraine loses…or there’s a compromise peace that stops the war and gives Ukraine some breathing space…There is no third possibility.” (Ferguson, 43:26)
• Analogy to Korea: Ferguson hopes Ukraine can become like South Korea: partitioned by necessity but rebuilt and thriving with Western support.
  • “I’ve said from the outset…your best outcome is to be South Korea. Your worst outcome is to be South Vietnam.” (Ferguson, 51:13)
• German Rearmament: Ferguson stresses the need for European—especially German—rearmament as a game-changer for deterrence and economic revival.
  • “If the Germans today…did operation Warp Speed for rearmament…that would be a game changer.” (Ferguson, 53:16)

7. Iran: Will There Be Regime Change?

• On Regime Sustainability: Ferguson is pessimistic about internal overthrow without external intervention but sees an extraordinary opportunity if the U.S. acts.
  • “No, we need to…If we want to get rid of the Islamic Republic…President Trump has to do what I think he is going to do.” (Ferguson, 55:53)

8. Cultural/Economic Comparison: U.K. vs. U.S.

• On Entrepreneurship and Capital Markets: Ferguson argues Britain’s problem is not talent but institutional: the lack of friendly capital markets for scaling innovation.
  • “Brilliant company…DeepMind’s the most important AI company…But it’s a British company that ended up being acquired by Google because there was no other way to scale it.” (Ferguson, 57:57)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Trump's style:
  “Classic Trump bluff. The goal is to force Europeans to take seriously their own rhetoric.” (Ferguson, 16:15)
• On Putin’s war:
  “Putin’s approaching year five of a war against Ukraine that he thought would be over in a matter of days…Trump did it in 35 minutes.” (Galloway/Ferguson, 07:05)
• On China as adversary:
  “You would not want to live in a world in which China was the dominant power…That would be a much inferior world, even to Donald Trump’s extraordinary and egotistical style.” (Ferguson, 27:23)
• On Ukraine’s outlook:
  “Your best outcome is to be South Korea. Your worst outcome is to be South Vietnam.” (Ferguson, 51:13)
• On European security:
  “Nuclear deterrence is not really provided by the French Force de frappe, certainly not by a British Trident. It’s America’s strategic force…” (Ferguson, 32:56)
• On alliances:
  “The United States can really treat its allies in an almost abusive way, knowing that they don’t have anywhere else to go.” (Ferguson, 18:53)
• On Britain’s innovation problem:
  “It’s not the lack of talent or entrepreneurship, it’s the capital markets are utterly unfriendly to scaling a really dynamic company…these are institutional problems.” (Ferguson, 57:41)
• On realpolitik and peace:
  “If you can get a breathing space, two things will happen. First, Ukraine can begin to rebuild. It now has a formidable army, the biggest in Europe…it has shown itself to have formidable military technology.” (Ferguson, 51:29)
• On football and optimism:
  “Every success is an admission ticket to the next crisis.” (Ferguson, 56:10)

Important Segment Timestamps

• [03:13] Trump’s Davos tactics and Greenland distraction
• [05:57] Probability of U.S. military action against Iran
• [08:20] Ferguson: “We are in Cold War Two…China as adversary”
• [13:08 – 18:53] U.S. alliance with Europe: pressures, provocations, and NATO
• [25:42] Effects of China’s industrial competition on Europe
• [29:27 – 32:56] Spheres of influence vs. global order; U.S. as security provider
• [40:34 – 44:32] Ukraine: realistic endgame scenarios, West’s role, possible outcomes
• [51:13] Ferguson’s South Korea vs. South Vietnam analogy for Ukraine
• [54:41–55:19] Regime change in Iran: Ferguson’s assessment

Tone & Style

The conversation is unapologetically candid, dynamically analytical, and spiced with Galloway’s provocative challenges and Ferguson’s incisive historical context. The back-and-forth is both combative and collegial—frequently disagreeing but mutually respectful, with a focus on realism and practical geopolitics over idealism.

Summary for Non-listeners

This episode provides a fast-paced, detailed, and provocative examination of U.S. global strategy, the practicality behind Trump-era foreign policy, and the real risks and rifts emerging in the Western alliance system—balanced by historical perspective and sharp, sometimes contrarian, analysis. If you want a crash course on high-level geopolitics, why Europe matters but is vulnerable, why China’s rise is daunting but fraught, and why Ukraine’s best hope may be to emulate South Korea, this conversation will both inform and challenge your assumptions.