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Alice
The questions start early and then they start multiplying.
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Brett
Do babies hold grudges?
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Alice
How do I know when he's full?
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Brett
Logging poops, comma necessary.
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Alice
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Brett
I'm Brett. And I'm Alice and we are the prosecut today on the Prosecutors. I went to the crossroad fell down on my knees Asked the Lord above have mercy now Save poor Bob if you. Hello everybody and welcome to this episode of the Prosecutors. I'm Brett and I'm joined as always by that hellhound on my trail, Alice.
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Alice
Oh, Brett, here we go. I feel like when we start getting into the depths of October, Mr. Edgar Allan Poe poet comes out.
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Brett
Well, you know Robert Johnson, the king of the Memphis blues, one of the greatest guitarists ever, who it is said sold his soul to the devil at a crossroads one night so that he could play guitar better than anyone in the world. He wrote lots of great songs and he loved to write songs about roads, crossroads, spooky things that happened in the night when you're traveling. And it seemed like an appropriate guy to cite given what we're gonna be talking about today.
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Alice
Good thing I just finished my road trip because I certainly don't want to be going on any road trips after tonight's episode.
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Brett
Yeah, you know the great thing, this is obviously our third October episode. I hope you guys have been enjoying October. And always the one before the Halloween episode tends to be the one that is the most paranormal. And that will be no different tonight. The United States has an abundance of haunted highways and we wanted to talk about some of them with you. And this is the kind of thing where you can have a little homework if like Alice, you love the spooky, the supernatural, the scary you can visit these highways and byways across America and travel on them yourself and see if you have any supernatural experiences. I assume that's going to be your winter break plan, right?
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Alice
I was gonna say you using the royal you and not really me, because I will never seek these droids out myself. Because as you listen to today's episode, you'll see why you might want to join Team Alice and avoid these highways for life.
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Brett
Oh, whatever. We've all been there. We all know the feeling. You're driving alone at night, and suddenly the hair on the back of your neck stands up. Your anxiety peering over your shoulder. Did you just hear something move in the backseat? I know Alice always checks her backseat before she goes anywhere. She's that urban legend. And I used to do that, too. I don't do it so much anymore, but I used to always check my backseat. Because you never know what might be lurking back there. And you start to wonder, has the street always been this dark? And the feeling mostly ends when you're back home in your driveway wondering what got you so worked up in the first place. But maybe the unprompted scare wasn't totally random. Maybe there was something lurking just outside the safety of your car. Something your subconscious was aware of, but you weren't. And aren't you glad you didn't break down on a lonely stretch of highway? And the US Is reported to have some of the most haunted highways in the world. There are reports of ghost hitchhikers, hellhounds, cryptids, you name it. These roads have seen it. And the four we're going to discuss today might make you reconsider your next late night drive.
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Alice
We couldn't just do one because Brett wants to make sure that lest you think this is, you know, a coincidence on one road, he is a man of evidence. He is showing you four different places. I am an unwilling passenger on this road trip of horror.
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Brett
There you go.
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Alice
Hey, two of us can be poetic. Let's go on our first one, U.S. route 491. It was previously U.S. route 666.
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Brett
And can we just stop before we even start talking about this road? Did nobody think, huh, Maybe we should name it something else. Maybe 666 is just not what we should go for.
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Alice
They skipped 13 on most buildings still to this day. But really, they got to 651. And they're like, 652. 653. You know what? We gotta have a 666. Can't break up the continuity.
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Brett
Yeah, Wild. But Anyways, it did exist. Now I guess at some point they decided to rename it and that was probably smart.
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Alice
Yeah. And the fact that 491 is available lets me believe that 665 and below, numerically a lot of those were available. It wasn't numerically that we needed to go to the next number. 666. Someone had fun naming that road. But it wasn't just fun and games. Route 666, a 200 mile road through New Mexico, Colorado and Utah, really home to a lot of unexplained phenomenons, is infamously known as the Devil's highway. Well, seems pretty obvious. First, 666 is the biblical number of the beast. And secondly, because of its relatively high number of fatalities. This root is not for the faint of heart. You're driving through desert like conditions for the majority of it. And in addition to that, gas stations are few and far between. This is not a place where you want to run out of gas or break down because there are stretches of 100 miles or more without a single place to stop for gas. Finally, winter weather is a real threat here. With elevations as high as 9,000ft. The, the risk of snow and black ice is significant on this Route 666.
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Brett
I'm glad this isn't just some road like in the middle of like a big city or something. And people are just like, oh, it's spooky because it's 666. It's actually, even if it didn't have the number, seems like it would be a pretty scary place to end up on the side of the road.
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Alice
100 miles is a long time to go without gas.
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Brett
That's a long time.
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Alice
Those of us who have half tank of gas seems like a lot. You surely can find another gas station.
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Brett
You were just talking about potty training your kids. I mean, imagine you got a kid in the back seat and 20 miles into it, they're like, I need to go to the bathroom. And she just pulled over and going.
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Alice
To the desert, everyone's wearing a diaper, including mom and dad. Now Route 666 was officially renamed to U.S. route 491. Not until 2003 though. But many believe that the original name was fitting considering the ghoulish goings on along this brutal stretch of road. You know, a lot of people say you can rename places, you can rename people, but the original name is what tells the truth of the personality. And here I think we see why. One of the most popular sightings on Route 666 is that of Satan's own sedan. A black sedan that chases down drivers once night falls. Drivers describe this intense feeling of fear coming over them as darkness falls. And all of a sudden headlights rapidly approach their car. Now no matter how fast they go, they can slam down on the gas pedal, go as fast as they can. They can't seem to outrun this black sedan, which ultimately forces them off the road, but then vanishes in an instant.
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Brett
I mean, if the devil was going to drive anywhere, it would seem like Route 666 is the place to go. I think there was a horror movie called Route 666. Could be wrong about that.
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Alice
Sounds about right. And if it not, there's a lot.
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Brett
Of great horror movies. They're all about horrible things that happen on the highways. But anyway, yeah, so that's freaky. But that is not the only ghost car that people claim to see on Route 666. You know, it's funny because you have Route 66 and that's like the cool drive to California, but you had a six to it and all of a sudden it gets creepy. So there is a haunted semi truck driven by an evil spirit. Semis, for those of you who don't know, maybe another country. The big like 18 wheelers type trucks. People have reported having sudden car troubles along this highway. When they pull over, a semi truck driving extremely fast reportedly starts driving directly at them with the intention of hitting them. But of course, as soon as it's upon them, it vanishes and they don't know what happened. People often describe seeing a pack of hellhounds, large hounds with snarling jaws and fiery eyes chasing after them, which are so fast because they're supernatural that they're able to match the vehicle speed no matter how fast it's going. And these hounds have allegedly caused many traffic accidents with some even claiming they're able to to shred tires with their teeth and jump into the car and attack the driver. Now I don't know that we have any recorded incidents of that, but what I could definitely imagine. You know, not to be all rationalist here, but let us recall, we got 100 miles between gas stations. Can you imagine you're driving down this road in the middle of the night. There are no other cars, there are no gas stations, there's nothing to see. I can imagine people falling asleep. I can imagine people hallucinating things. I can imagine all sorts of things that end up with them in a wreck. And then, I mean, just imagine if you fell Asleep, you have a nightmare about a hellhound, and then you get into a car wreck. Obviously, you're going to conflate those two things. So I'm going to go out on a limb and say some of these. Though of course, not all of them may have some natural explanations. But perhaps most frightening of all are the skinwalkers. Skinwalkers are an evil being known in Navajo tradition. They are shapeshifters who often take the form of an animal or human. And if you look them in the eye, it is said that they will absorb themselves into your body and control your thoughts and your moves. And you're essentially a prisoner in your own body, which is pretty freaky, if you ask me. And since parts of Route 666 run through Navajo land, many people believe that the road is home to Skinwalkers. And people have claimed that they have seen skinwalkers transform into animals, appear instantly in front of their car, cause crashes and even fatalities.
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Alice
Now, others have suggested that they appear initially to warn drivers not to continue down this haunted road. And if they don't listen to the warnings, an evil spiritual shaman will appear in the seat of the vehicle, especially the backseat. Now, the purpose of this evil spirit is to obtain the soul of the driver. And it's believed that the shaman's magic will result in an accident or other type of situation that takes the life of the driver, so that the shaman can immediately gain the person's soul as they transition from the physical world into the spiritual world. But not all the spirits that haunt Route 66 are evil. There is this ghost of a young girl in a white dress that appears along the side of the road. Her expression, as you can imagine, is unnaturally sad, which typically prompts concern from the driver who thinks, hundred miles without a single stop. What is this young girl doing on the side? I've got to help her. And people have indeed pulled over to see if this young girl needs help, but when they do so, she instantly vanishes. Now, even those who make it through without any sort of supernatural issues, they still report strange things happening to them. Some report disappearing for hours or days, and when they reappear, they have no idea what happened or that they had disappeared at all. Others claimed that they arrived at their destination much later than they should have, without any reason or explanation and feeling like the drive took the time it should have taken. But they blink, and it's like they went through a time portal. All of a sudden. Hours have gone by.
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Brett
And, you know, it's interesting because one thing that I like about all these stories is, as you will see, there are similarities throughout them. There are sort of common threads. I'm really fascinated by folklore and sort of how it spreads and how people have all these ideas in common. And, you know, you see these stories, for instance, of the hitchhiker. You're going to see some more as we talk. You hear those stories really all over the country, there are people who will claim to have seen hitchhikers on the road, ghost hitchhikers. They give them an address and the person takes them to the address and it's a cemetery, or they give them an address and it's a house. But then the person's gone and the driver gets out and they go up to the house and knock on the door and someone answers and they say, hey, this weird thing just happened to me. And the person says something like, yes, you're not the first one. That was my daughter. She was killed 10 years ago in an accident. Right. Like, these are very common legends that you see throughout the United States. And I'm sure other areas of the world also have similar things. You know, it's just funny because in the modern world, you have modern folklore, and these are the kind of things you see. I would read a book on sort of modern folklore that collected these stories. People used to do that. You don't see it as much now as you used to, but Route 666, it's a good place to start because you see so much in common with other things. And I'll say this, as far as paranormal activity goes, this idea of missing time is also common. So missing time happens a lot when people see UFOs. This area is also pretty famous for having a lot of UFO activity. And so there's this notion of missing time and what happens during that time. It's a hard to say. We saw some of this, I think, with the Mothman story, and people had missing time. So always interesting to see. Always love those stories. I'm just gonna say, as we get into this, if you have any of these stories, I would love to hear them. So share with us any of your ghostly apparitions on the side of the street or missing time or aliens or anything else. All right, so that brings us to our second location, Route 2A in Haynesville, Maine. And this is one of the most haunted stretches of road in the United states. It's Route 2A. It runs from South Aroostock county of northern Maine, and particularly the area that runs through the Haynesville Woods. Now, before the creation of I95, this road was heavily trafficked by truckers transporting Maine's potato harvest to other states. Did you know they grew potatoes in Maine? I didn't, but apparently it is something they do. And the road, you see why these roads get their reputation. I mean Route 666 was doomed from the beginning, but nevertheless, this is a extremely dangerous road, particularly if there's snow or ice on the road. It has near 90 degree turns in certain sections, which you combine that with ice, darkness, someone driving a little faster than they should, or maybe they've had a couple drinks and you can imagine why this road has claimed so many lives over the year. And it even inspired a song by country musician Dick Curless in 1965 entitled A Tombstone Every Mile. Which gives you an idea of just how dangerous the this road is. But not all the victims of this brutal road seem to be resting peacefully. And some still haunt the Haynesville forest even today.
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Alice
One such ghost is that of a young woman who appears on the side of the road. Does this sound familiar, by the way? Needing help now? When a driver pulls over to offer her a ride, she accepts. Now those who have picked up this mysterious woman describe a chill in the air surrounding her. And as the car nears the end of the road, the woman mysteriously vanishes into thin air. Legend has it that this vanishing woman is the ghost of a newlywed bride who was in a car accident with her new husband in those very same woods. While her new husband died immediately, the woman was able to free herself from the wreckage. But once out of the car, she was unable to walk and met her end by freezing to death at the side of the road where she, as some claim, stays to this day looking for a ride for help.
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Brett
And other drivers have reported seeing a little girl in need of help. And just like the bride, she accepts a ride when offered, but disappears from the car as the road ends. And this is said to be the ghost of either Janet Marie Rose Rouse or Melody L. Shorey. And these two 10 year old girls were both tragically hit and killed by tractor trailers on August 22, 1967. What a tragic day when two different 10 year olds were hit and killed on this stretch of road on the same day. Now another haunting tale, and I love this one in the tiny town of Haynesville is that of the Flesher Witch. According to local lore, a young girl named Annie Wilcox moved with her family to Haynesville at some time in the 1800s. And almost immediately, Annie began experiencing strange things at their Haynesville home at first it was just scratching noises at the window. Almost as if someone was trying to get into her bedroom. Alice, have you ever seen the movie Salem's Lot? It's based on a Stephen King book.
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Alice
Oh yeah, of course I have. No one believed.
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Brett
Well, if you've seen the original made for television movie which was really freaky. There's this scene where this boy, he's in his bedroom and he wakes up to the sound of scratching noises on the window. And when he looks over it's one of his friends who's been turned into a vampire. And he's like floating there scratching on the window, asking him to let him in. So should check that out sometime.
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Alice
Anyways, queued up for tonight.
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Brett
So Annie wakes up to this scratching noise at the window and it escalates into her blankets being pulled off in the night by an invisible presence. And she even felt as if someone was biting her skin. And she swore that she could hear whispers in an indistinguishable language.
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Alice
Now Annie's parents understandably ignored these concerns. You're dreaming. Nothing is happening. They chalked it even up to attention seeking from Annie. But once Annie ran into their room crying in the middle of the night and her face was filled with bloody scratches, all of a sudden her parents began to take her seriously. They had to listen. Annie told them that an old woman with a melting face had attacked her. They went into her room to check it out. No one was there that night. Annie slept in her parents room and things started to get better after that. That was until about a month later when Annie was out walking in the woods with her family. She was walking just a little bit behind everyone. And at some point her parents realized that they had lost sight of Annie. Shortly after they heard a scream. But no matter how hard they looked, they couldn't find Annie anywhere. Weeks later, a group of hunters found Annie's body in a clearing in the woods and her face was missing. Lying next to her on the ground was the corpse of an old, old woman whose face looked like melting wax. But that wasn't the end of the tragedy for the Wilcox family. Devastated by the loss of Annie, her mother hanged herself not long after. Sometime after that, Annie's brothers drowned. Now Annie's father, who was the only remaining member of the Wilcox family, went slowly insane. He began to scratch and scratch and scratch at his face as if to remove his own face. And eventually he wandered off into the Haynesville woods and was never seen again.
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Brett
So sounds like we all need to visit Haynesville. And if we do. There won't be many people with us because it only has a population of 97, which I thought was interesting. By the way, if you want to read more of this, you can read a book called New England Folklore. The Flesher Witch Menace in the Main Woods. Check that out. Someone in the chat just asked if it's hanged or hung. You. You hanged people and you hung pictures. So that's the answer to your question.
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Alice
It's kind of dark. All right.
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Brett
Yeah, dark.
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Alice
October grammar lesson.
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Brett
There you.
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Alice
Go.
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Brett
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Alice
You need a five minute light in the middle of nowhere? I don't know.
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Brett
I mean this, it also has to be the most run stoplight anywhere, right?
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Alice
I would run it 100%. I'd run it.
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Brett
Who's gonna sit in the middle of these like pitch black woods on this deserted street? That's super Haunted at a red light that's five minutes long.
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Alice
I've definitely run red lights in scary towns like that where there's no one around. It's like 3am and I'm like, I'm not going to be a sitting duck. I'm going, I'd rather pay a ticket. Now.
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Brett
There you go. So if you are brave enough to travel down this road, your sanity will be tested, if not by the spirits that lurk there, but by the five minute stoplight. So one of the most notorious sightings occurs at a place called Dead Man's Curve, which is a straight part of the. No, I'm just kidding. It's a tough curve with two bridges near the Clinton Reservoir. Legend has it if you toss a coin in the water, a ghost boy will toss it back to you. And according to local lore, the boy died when his friends dared him to wait on the prison bridge while they drove to Route 23 and back. If you peer into the water below, it is filled with coins from curious passerbys. I always wonder if the people who tell people this then like sneak down, hide under the bridge and like throw some coins back at people and freak them out. That'd be a pretty good way to spend like a boring Saturday night, right?
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Alice
And then you get to like cash out on your little casino every so often.
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Brett
There you go. So another curve on the road. Because like everyone we've talked about, this is a curvy road which leads to a lot of tragedies. Is called Dangerous Curve. I guess it's description, right? I mean, yeah, a little on the nose, but that's okay. And it has claimed several lives over the years. And drivers have reported seeing several ghosts along the stretch. As many as three at a time. Three ghosts at a time, that's pretty good. Why settle for one ghost on Route 666 when you can see three? And locals believe those who died there are trying to warn others to be safe. So they're helpful ghosts. They're friendly ghosts. They're like Casper. They're like those commercials you see on that the, the state runs that like tell you, like, don't go around the bar at the railroad track or don't tailgate the school bus. It's like that, but ghost form.
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Alice
You know what's a surefire way to get me to crash my car is if I see a ghost or three ghosts on the side of the road.
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Brett
I bet if you run that red light, the ghosts immediately appear and are like, hey, shouldn't be doing that. That's a good way to get yourself.
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Alice
And then I immediately veer off the road into a ditch. Speaking of these names, when I was on this road trip that I was talking about at the beginning where I had to stop every 20 to 40 minutes because Brittney Potty trained herself and insisted on going potty. I was looking at the map and have you been here? Did you know that this creek is in Alabama? Murder Creek. I was driving and I looked down at the map and clear as day, it's pretty long creek. It said Murder Creek. And I drove a bridge over it and I was like, now do you name it Murder Creek? Preemptively, like with high hopes. You know, like the cops are like, if we name it, they will come and then we'll catch them.
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Brett
Gotta be a good story.
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Alice
There's gotta be a good story. Or like that was just the dumping ground. And finally they're like, you know what? We're gonna call it Murder Creek. Because it is what it is. You can't hide from it. You know, they're not going to run away from it like Route 666 did. They're going to be like, murders happen here. We're calling it Murder Creek. But I didn't feel great driving over it. I'm not going to lie. It wasn't a creek either. It was kind of like a river. So it was much bigger.
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Brett
Oh, there you go.
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Alice
Yeah. So another common tale is that of two park rangers who patrol the woods. What a horrible job to be one of two parked rangers who have to patrol this lonely.
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Brett
Especially if you have to do it forever.
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Alice
Forever. There you go. Hikers and campers have reported that they see these two park rangers dressed in old timey uniforms checking on them. Now, one group asked about the rangers at the park office the next day because, man, these two park rangers sure are working hard. Working all the time. Can't we even get them some up to date uniforms? But when they ask about them at the park office, they're told that there were no rangers out on patrol at the time they visited. There are thought to be the ghosts of two park rangers who died on the job in 1939 near Terrace Pond. And even in death, they roam the woods seeking to keep visitors safe from the same wilderness that claimed their lives so many years ago.
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Brett
Are these not the most New Jersey ghost ever? You know, New Jersey, you can't even pump your own gas because, you know, they, they're so like officious and controlling of you. We got park ranger ghost checking in on you to make sure you're doing what you're gonna do. We got three ghosts making sure you're driving properly. I mean, this is like, seriously, these ghosts couldn't be more jersey if they literally were tanning and doing laundry.
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Alice
I mean, goodness, grace, I do wonder if this is really a great marketing campaign by local law enforcement. They're like, look, budget cuts here this year. We don't have enough people to roam the woods and to, like, sit on the sides. Traffic ticketing people. But if we start spreading these ghost stories, maybe people will listen to these mirages and then every once in a while, beam out some white light. Really?
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Brett
They couldn't afford new park ranger uniforms, so they're really just. They're like, all we got is these, like, 1930s park ranger uniform.
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Alice
Sorry. Yeah, that's right. Now there's so many more. That's the thing about these stretches is we're not just talking about one perhaps mirage. One perhaps image that you've seen when you fall asleep. When you have this many, one begins to wonder, is there something about this road that is the haunting ground for so many spirits? So there's this popular tale of a young girl hitchhiking. She's always seen wearing an old style clothing, and she has her thumb out for a ride in a classic hitchhiking motion. But once a driver pulls over, she vanishes out of thin air. She is reportedly most active when the weather is bad. Now, ghosts of people aren't the only ghoulish figure seen on Clinton road. There is a ghost pickup truck as well. People have reported that a black pickup truck drives the road at night, Honking the horn and chasing cars down. Some have reported seeing the full truck, but others only see its lights. It's believed to be the ghost of Giles Jones, who lived in a farm off of Clinton road while he was alive.
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Brett
Of course, the black truck isn't the only haunted vehicle seen on Clinton road. A blue Chevy Camaro has been seen racing past other cars, but there's no driver behind the wheel. And this is said to be the ghost of a girl who died when she crashed her car on Clinton road back in 1988. But the horrors of Clinton road extend beyond ghoulish spirits. And it is not the haunting or the five minute stoplight that make it famous. Not only have there been hellhounds reportedly spotted, there's also the Jersey devil, A cryptid so popular, it is the mascot of the New Jersey devils hockey team. So there you go. And it allegedly dwells in the woods of New Jersey, right off of Clinton Road. So if you want to see the Jersey Devil, head to Clinton Road. Hang out at the stoplight for five minutes and you'll probably see it walking across the street. It's also the site of the former Cross Castle. This was a three story stone castle with 40 rooms. A pretty significant place. And the castle was built in 1905 by Richard Cross as his family home. Now it has been torn down since 1988, but it is a place of legend and to this day it is said to have been a frequent hangout for devil worshipers. I don't know if they're New Jersey devil worshipers or Satan devil worshippers. It's hard to say, but that's what people say. And a popular spot for rituals. And some even claim you can hear the distant sound of chanting when you visit the castle's ruins today. And if all that haunting and cryptids and everything else wasn't enough, it is also home to some true crime tales as well. Can't make this up. In 1983, a cyclist spotted vultures circling a tree. So what is this cyclist going to do? I would have just kept cycling, but they're like, hey, I should check it out and see what the vultures going after. And what does he find? A garbage bag. And he doesn't have to look inside of it because there's a human head sticking out of it. So the police come investigate this. And actually was really important that this person looked at this because this murder and the investigation into it led to the conviction of the notorious Mafia hitman Richard Iceman Koke Linsky. So there you go. Some horrors are more corporeal than others.
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Alice
I see vultures circling all the time and I've never stopped.
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Brett
Exactly. I would just be like, oh, it's probably like a dead Jersey Devil got hit by a semi trunk or something. There ain't him. So we talked about three locations and they're great, they're wonderful. But I gotta tell you, this next one we're going to talk about is so interesting because we're not going to do what we've done up to this point, which is tell you all these stories about various things that happen. We're going to talk about one story, one story so striking that actually has witnesses and evidence and everything that is going to leave you scratching your head, I promise. So if you've made it this far, you have made it to the best. We have saved the best for last.
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Alice
And that is the Highway 50 Phantom. So our final location on this wild journey isn't known as a particularly haunted highway. But the most famous incident on this stretch of road is enough by itself to land on our list. Highway 50 is one of those winding stretches of California highway that masks its danger with its beauty. Winding through the mountains of the Sierra Nevadas, Highway 50 runs from Sacramento down to Lake Tahoe. It was a road Deborah Hoyt knew well. So the last thing she expected to see on June 11, 1994 as she rounded Bullion Bend in the middle of the night was a naked woman lying on the side of the road. She was on her side in the fetal position with one arm under her head and the other covering her head. Now, the Hoyts considered stopping, but it was such a strange thing to see that they believed it must have been some trick. Surely they did not see what they thought they saw. And also they were concerned if they pulled over that they'd be attacked by carjackers because maybe this was just a trick. So they drove on to the next payphone and called the police. And the highway patrol response responded. But it was dark and they couldn't find anything. They didn't see this naked woman that the Hoyts said they saw.
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Brett
Now this might have been the end of it. And the highway patrol, you know, when they report on this, they said Deborah and her husband who was with her, they were kind of hysterical. I mean, they were like, you've got to keep looking. Like we saw this woman. Either someone's very hurt or something really nefarious is going on. You got to keep looking. But they didn't see anything. And that might have been the end of it. But five days before deciding, 23 year old Christine Scubish and her three year old son Nick had disappeared after Christine left her parents home in Sacramento heading down Highway 50. And they seemingly disappeared without a trace. There were no leads as to what had happened to them. Now the family had obviously been looking for Christine and her son and they got wind of this strange sighting and they called the highway patrol and they urged an officer they had been working with, Deputy Rich Strasser, to just go check it out and see if he could see anything that provided any kind of clues to what had happened to Christine. So Strasser, he speaks to Deborah and although she couldn't say precisely where she'd seen the body, she thought it was near Bullion Bend, which was a particularly dangerous stretch of roadway. So Strasser, he's taking this seriously. He's gonna head down and see if he can find Anything. So he goes down to the bend and he parks. He gets out and he looks around. But even in the daylight, he didn't see a body. He didn't see anything that would indicate a body had been there. But then in the corner of his eye, he did see something. And it was strange. When he walked over to it and bent down, he knew he'd been right about what he saw. A black child's tennis shoe. He picks up the shoe, and then he walks over to the edge of the road near where the shoe was located. And there was this steep embankment. And he stood on the edge and looked down. And as he walked down this ravine, all of a sudden, he could see at the bottom the twisted wreckage of a vehicle. He goes down to this car, and he finds strapped into the driver's side, a woman who was obviously deceased. There was a young boy who was curled in the fetal position in the passenger seat. Strasser, even looking at the child, believed he was certainly dead as well. But he reached over to check his pulse anyway, and when he touched the child, Nick took a breath.
- [42:39]
Alice
So Nick was rushed to the hospital, and police surmised that Christine had either fallen asleep or lost control of the car and gone off the ravine. Now, she'd been killed instantly, but Nick had survived. And he had been there alone for five days while motorists passed by, never knowing what was at the bottom of the ravine. Doctors would later say that Nick was on the verge of death when he was found, with perhaps only an hour left to live. Of course, that leaves the mystery. What in the world did Debra see? There was no nude woman on the side of the road, not even a mannequin. Initially, some thought it might have been Christine, but she had died on impact. And even if she didn't, she was wearing her clothes when she was found. And then there was Nick. Nick would tell investigators that he remembered everything that happened, particularly the nights. Each night that he waited alone for someone to find him. Specifically, he remembered a white light surrounding the car after the accident. And there was a woman he believed was this woman who stayed with him every night. And that has led some people to wonder, maybe there was a woman on the side of the road after all. But it wasn't a body. It was a spirit, that of Christine doing all she could to lead someone to her son.
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Brett
This is a very famous story. It absolutely happened. You can find there's an Unsolved Mysteries episode about it, and it's a paranormal witness episode about it. Nick recovered, is healthy, and Deborah and her now ex husband continues to say, this is exactly what we saw. And, you know, it's one of those things. If you think Deborah's making it up, well, it certainly was a good coincidence because it led to finding these two people on the side of the road. So that concludes our road trip through the most haunted roads in America. I hope you made it all the way with us and didn't pick up any unwanted passengers on the way. If you're listening to this in the car, you might want to check the backseat just to make sure there's nothing lurking there behind you. All right, guys, we want to hear what you think about these stories. We want to know if you have any stories about paranormal events on roads, highways, airplanes, trains, automobiles, boats, wherever. If it involves transportation, go ahead and shoot it our way. I want to know if you've ever experienced lost time. That'd be cool too. One day we're gonna do whole episodes on alien abductions. Like we've talked about alien abductions, but we've never really done like a real alien abduction story. So we're gonna have to do that some time. So shoot us an email prosecutorspodmail.com prosecutors pod for all your social media. Join us on the gallery to discuss these cases and any others. If you want to watch us record these early and ad free. We're actually recording this episode on October 5th. You could watch it with us. Or if you'd rather just hear the episodes without ads, you can join Patreon for as little as $3 a month. This week we're gonna watch a movie that's sort of about transportation, but it's walking. It's the movie called the Long Walk. It is the latest movie by Stephen King and it should be available on streaming services by the time this episode comes out. And I'm really excited to see it. So I hope you guys will join us for that as well. Well, Alice, if you haven't been completely freaked out, do you want to answer a question?
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Alice
Completely freaked out. But I will answer questions to try and forget about these haunted roads.
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Brett
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Alice
Oh no.
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Brett
This is a funny question, but I'm interested in your answer anyways. Okay. This is from Leah and Leah wants to know have you ever been in a fight?
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Alice
Have I ever been in a fight?
- [51:13]
Brett
A fight? Yeah, I assume like a physical altercation.
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Alice
Let me think about this before I answer.
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Brett
Okay. Do you want me to answer?
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Alice
Oh yeah, go for it.
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Brett
I'll answer and you can think about it while you answer. So when I was like a kid, like in grade school, like little fights that didn't mean anything. I've never been in a fight as an adult. But I do have a funny story. So I'll tell a funny story in response to this fight question because this was like close. It almost can't turn. This is. You'll see, you'll enjoy this. All of you will enjoy this. So it was back in 2005. It's been 20 years since, since this happened. And it was the Friday before the Alabama Florida game in 2005. Those of you here, Alabama fans will remember. This was like a great victory for Alabama. It was totally unexpected. Just blew Florida off the field. It was a great game. It was a little tragic because we did lose Tyron Pro throw to a pretty traumatic leg injury in the game. But the game itself was great, beside the point. So the night before I'm there, obviously I'm going to the game. I'm in Tuscaloosa, I'm hanging out with some friends and I go over to one of their apartments. And we're all actually sitting. There's like a truck parked in front of the apartment. And we're all sitting in the bed of the truck. And some people are drinking, though obviously I would never drink in public, because that's illegal. So we're just hanging out. It's. I don't know, who knows what time it is, like one o' clock in the morning. So this car pulls up. It's like a Toyota Camry. It pulls up and it just stops in front of the truck or in front of the truck bed where we're all sitting. And the driver rolls down the window and the driver is completely wasted. He's as drunk as he could possibly be. And he starts asking us a question. And we're like. We have no idea what he's asking. And so he keeps asking. We're like, what? What are you trying to ask? And so this girl who's sitting in the passenger side, she leans over and she yells out a question. She's also obviously very drunk. She yells out a question and we're like, we can't understand anything you're saying. So she, like, yells some sort of obscenity at us, right? I can't remember exactly what she said, but I do remember that the person sitting next to me then called her a not nice word, right? So at that point, the passenger door opens and she gets out and she starts walking around. And she walks around and she stands right in front of us and she says, what did you call me? And she said. Then she says, nobody calls me. And she says a word. As she says it, though, she rears back and she slaps me as hard as she can, right across the face. I mean, and I was so stunned by this because I didn't say anything to her. I didn't even. I didn't react, right? She just slaps me as hard as she can. I've never. Frankly, I've never been.
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Alice
Were you closest to her?
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Brett
I think she must have thought it was me because it was my friend who was standing right next to him, and he said it. But, man, I mean, she slapped me so hard that you could see her handprint on my face for like, the rest of the night into the next day, right? So she slaps me as hard as she can. Like, so hard that I'm like, stunned by it, right? My friend, who might have had a little bit to drink, then like, leaps, like he's gonna jump on her, right? At which point one of my other friends grabs him so while all this has happened, then suddenly the back doors of this car open up. So there's nothing. The back doors have not been involved at all. And out step the two largest men have ever seen. Huge guys, right? I mean, they looked like they should be playing in the game the next day, like on the line. Just like six foot, like seven or something. Just massive guys. And I'm thinking, okay, we're about to die. We're about to die. They're about to kill us, right? And so they step out. The guy closest to me stands there. The other back door behind the passenger seat. That guy gets out. He walks around the car. He walks up to us. He grabs her around the waist, picks her up, carries her back, puts her in the passenger seat, gets in the back seat, closes the door. And the guy standing close to us says, roll Tide. Turns around, gets in the car, and off they drive. And we're like, wow, okay.
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Alice
That could have ended totally differently.
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Brett
Yeah, it was crazy. It was crazy. And then we won the football game, so I'll always remember that. But that's my answer to the fight.
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Alice
I'm really glad that ended that way. Good job for not hitting her back.
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Brett
I mean, I wouldn't have even. I couldn't even make thoughts at that point. She hit me so hard.
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Alice
I mean, that is so insane. Okay. No, I've never been in a fight. Goodness gracious. Because maybe, I don't know, you didn't do anything wrong in that instance except keep poor company.
- [56:13]
Brett
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
- [56:15]
Alice
You were really in the wrong place.
- [56:17]
Brett
Take my advice, kids, Nothing good happens after midnight.
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Alice
This is true. And also, your friend's words may be unfairly imparted onto you. No, I was trying to think. Oh, I've not. I've never slapped anybody. I've hardly even raised my voice at my kids, all the time at another adult. And I actually say this a lot. I actually. I have a question to ask you guys, because I'd love to hear this. In recent years. Not recent, I've worked with you in several jobs, Brett, But I think I've said this to you multiple times, where I'm like, there's no crying in baseball. There have been so many workplace tears. I don't cry at work. It's just, like, not worth my time to cry at work. But I am so surprised at the amount of drama that can happen at work at many jobs. I'm not talking about any particular job. I've been in, like, three jobs with you, and there's a lot of drama and a lot of tears in them. So in those situations, I'm always like, this is where I could see like a fight breaking out. I maybe I'm just like, I don't know, a cold, unfeeling person. I don't get them emotionally invested in most things in life where I don't feel the urge to, like, I couldn't even wind up to slap somebody. I don't even know how what I would have to feel to slap somebody. So I've never slapped anybody. I have no desire to slap anybody, never punched anybody, no desire to punch anybody. But that's just me.
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Brett
I say this. You know, one thing I've learned the older I get. When you're young, when you're a child, you look at adults and they just seem so mature and so put together. It's like all your teachers, all the teachers you had in grade school and in high school, you know, you just thought of them as almost like they're just perfect beings. See, they only existed at school, right? And now you look back on it and you realize, man, all the crazy stuff that was going on in their lives, right, and the drama and everything else. And what I've come to think is growing up as a kid, you think, well, one day I'm going to be an adult and I'm going to be mature and like I'm gonna leave all this behind. Truth is, no one ever grows up. Like, I think people get older and they get more mature, but they never actually grow up. So when you're in an office, it's kind of like high school. It has the same sorts of dramas and the same sorts of cliques and the same stupid arguments and like the same love affairs and everything else are happening in these places that are full of adults that you could imagine happening in a college dorm room or a high school.
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Alice
So I think that's a good way of putting it. I think if you like fundamentally lack self control. Of course my 5 year old has no self control, but like, it gets better every year. He's better than he was at 4 and better at 3. But there are people who you don't see the trajectory of having self control. And you're not gonna like wake up at age 18 or 28 and all of a sudden have self control one day. And those people go into offices and they like, you have to work next to that man.
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Brett
So someone in the chat has asked what we thought of the new Taylor Swift album. Have you listened to it yet?
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Alice
I haven't listened the whole thing, partly because I've been on this road trip with my children and there are songs like Wood that I cannot listen to my children.
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Brett
You can't listen to a lot of these.
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Alice
You can't listen with the kids in the car. So this is all to say is, obviously I'd be the first one to be there to listen, but I've been in a car with four young children the last 72 hours, and I can't. I looked at the lyrics and I was like, I can't listen to this with my kids in the car. So I've listened up to Opalite, Loving what I'm hearing. They're bangers. I'm glad she's happy. I'm glad she's so happy with the lyrics of Wood. But I. Yeah, I have no negative things to say. But I also haven't listened to the.
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Brett
Whole thing, so I had to drive to Atlanta. So I listen the whole thing and I pretty much hate it. Pretty much hate it. It's like basically my least.
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Alice
There are two. I bet you it's one that grows on you, though. I didn't read. I haven't read any reviews. I mean, I haven't read any reviews because people have. I like to form my own opinion before, so I haven't read those. But I get the sense from all the text messages from different friends that people love it or hate it. And I think that's because she's a little bit darned if you do, darned if you don't. She is like the biggest pop artist of all time. She's done every style possible. And so this is going to be very different than what she has done most previously. I think this is akin to the, like, Shake it off era.
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Brett
But I like that she produces albums that I can hate. As someone who likes Taylor Swift, because one of the reasons I think she has so much longevity is because she doesn't just do the same thing over and over again. You know, it's not like, Well, I liked 1989, so I'm gonna like every album she ever does. Like she does. She just goes off on these. I'm going to do an album.
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Alice
Like, she does what she is feeling in the moment, which I feel is very genuine. This feels like a very this time in her life. But so. So did Reputation, so did, you know, Evermore. And I appreciate that because that's what a songwriter is supposed to do, right? This is where she is in her life right now. And she produces it and we get the benefit. Because really, I think we're getting an anthology of her life through all of her different eras. And this will be an era. I don't know what's going to go from this era, but I appreciate it for what it is. Through Opalite, she. I mean, I still think she is literally, like, eons better than every other songwriter there is right now on the radio, 100%. So I can appreciate for what she is. But I haven't gotten past, what track four.
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Brett
I mean, hated it. Strong. I don't like it as much as I've liked her previous. I thought.
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Alice
I didn't like. I didn't like ttpd, Right.
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Brett
Tortured Poet Society or whatever.
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Alice
I didn't like it like. Like there. You know, I still bop to it a little bit, but I. I truly don't. Didn't like it that much.
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Brett
It was too long and they didn't edit her. But the thing about it was there were some awesome songs on it. Right. But it got lost.
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Alice
It got lost.
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Brett
Yeah.
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Alice
Yeah.
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Brett
No, I agree with you. But they were great. Like, Black Dog is fantastic. Florida. Love that song. I mean, you can rock out to that song. Right? So this one, I will say this. I thought. It gets better as it goes. I thought Wood was stupid, but, like, a lot of the songs, that was.
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Alice
Her in this time. Because that was like, Kelsey could have written it. Yeah.
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Brett
The back half of the album. Like, I liked the last song. I thought that was cool.
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Alice
Okay. I haven't gotten there yet.
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Brett
I will say this. I liked Canceled. I liked the Romantic. Like, actually romantic. I thought that was great. I thought that song was great. Opalite was good. The.
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Alice
Can I say something probably controversial? And I'm too old to know anything about this, so I have no idea. You guys may all love her. I don't understand Sabrina Carpenter. I don't understand her music. And I don't understand how much Taylor Swift, she's her predator. She appreciates or lifts up Sabrina's music. So that confuses me because that I. If I understand correctly, she's the only one featured on this one. And so I am not a fan of her music. It's not that I'm not a fan of her music. I'm not a fan of. It's like, when you see a comedian, all they do is slapstick comedy. Like, I think Sabrina is a lot smarter and can do a lot more literarily, but she relies on the old tropes of what makes female artists successes.
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Brett
Yeah. I don't know why she likes her so much. But I liked her in that song.
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Alice
I haven't listened to that song yet, so it's not a knock on that song. I don't even know which song it is. I just know that she's the only featured artist. And I am confused because she has featured some fantastic artists in her past albums who I all independently like and like them in the songs. But this one, I'm like, really?
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Brett
One thing that I was a little thrown by Loop. I thought it would be more showgirly in style.
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Alice
It's not. It's not at all, like, at all. The pictures are awesome. The, like, concept is awesome. But the songs did not match at all. But whatever, that's fine. She was literally a show at the time.
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Brett
So I said this about actually romantic. To me, it reminds me of no doubt in the 90s was sort of the feeling I got.
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Alice
Yes.
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Brett
With some, like, Madonna, Vogue, overtones type situation. But there was no song on the. I'll say this. So, like, y' all know I love Flana del Re, right? So when she did the album, did you know there's a tunnel under whatever road it was? I can't even remember what it is. Sunset Boulevard or whatever. So there's a song on there called A and W. And there are a few songs that I remember where I was when I heard them for the first time. And some of them, I remember where I was when I heard Trains Meet Virginia back in, like, 1997. And I remember where I was when I heard Johnny Cash's cover of Hurt. And I remember where I was when I heard Dashboard Confessionals have the song about your hair is everywhere. I remember where I was when I heard the song. And I remember driving at night, listening. I was actually driving from Tuscaloosa and I was listening to that album, and this song A and W comes on. And, like, it was. The song was just number one. You know how she does that whole breathy singing thing? So she does that in that song and it makes you turn it up because you can't quite hear. And I'm convinced this is a trick because about halfway through, like, the beat drops on that and it's like your whole car vibrates. And it is the most awesome experience the first time you hear it. There's nothing like that on this album. There was nothing where I was like, wow, that is an awesome song. So the album as a whole maybe is good, but there was just nothing that really stood out to me and made me think, I'm going to be listening to that song in like 10 years.
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Alice
And I'll say, and I'll say one more again. This is not, this is more. Seeing the whole showgirl lead up. I every. I think everyone can express themselves in the same way. I am not loving the hyper sexualized album feel. Not, not talking about wood. That's actually a hilarious song. But like I am not loving. I can't. For example, I can't definitely cannot play this album around my kids. I can't even have the icons of the pictures on my phone. Like, you know, my kids can see like whatever picture is playing for the song. I can't have that around too because it's like way hypersexualized every look. If I look that good, I would probably be strutting around in nothings as well. But I think she can do so much without again putting herself at the level that I think less talented artists have to do in order to get people to turn their heads. She turns heads with things that come from her brain. And I have not loved that because I am also very cognizant with a daughter. I want to show them that there are ways to be successful and beautiful and talented and desirable. That is not just being completely hypersexualized.
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Brett
In folklore, she wore a cardigan the whole time.
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Alice
It was beautiful.
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Brett
It was beautiful, truly beautiful. And the songs are amazing and everything's. I mean, I don't know.
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Alice
So that is, again, that is not about the music. But it is. And look, she can experiment with whatever she wants and she does, she goes from one to the next. But like, I just think that she is a once in a multi generation talent and what's been able to set her apart are things like she is obviously beautiful. Like I think she is just absolutely stunning and gorgeous. I don't actually understand all her songs about how she was bullied as a young kid because I'm like, you're stunning. I would never bully you. But I do think she doesn't have to become what Sabrina Carpenter is on every single one of her shows and on every single one of her music videos because she is just so talented. And I've never even thought about the fact that she wasn't half naked on all of her videos until more recently when I was like, my kids like looked at my phone like, what is that? And I was like, oh, that's why I can't listen to the song because I can't even have it like paused on my phone because my kids will take my phone and see like a half naked picture of Someone on it. So that's just kind of a commentary of this era, shall we say?
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Brett
Yeah, I'm ready for the next era. I mean. And honestly, I. And this is just a personal thing. And the other thing, the thing about Swifties that I get sick of is they're so cultish. Like, you gotta love everything she ever did. You can't say a negative word about her. Like, oh, you know, so terrible. Whatever. Like, I think I personally appreciate the. More Folklore style to this and some of her previous albums. You know, I'm just not. I'm not as into, like, the poppy stuff as some.
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Alice
I love her poppy stuff. So that is not my knock on it. I. True. Like, I loved Blank Space. Like, the people that she Now.
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Brett
Blank Space was. Yeah.
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Alice
It's the same people she wrote those with. So I was expecting more of those, like, Blank Space lyrics. Phenomenal. And, like, Sick Beat, right?
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Brett
Yeah. Antonov. Is that his name?
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Alice
She did not like Champagne Problems. Those are fantastic songs. I. But that's what I loved about both of them is, like, I could love them for what they were. This one was not so far, the four songs that I've listened to, but I'm still jamming out to them. And I'm about to make a long drive. Not on Route 666, but I'm about to make a long drive. And I'm probably going to listen to it, like, three times in a row. And I. That I'm very excited about.
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Brett
So I'll tell you what happened. And this happens to me. This actually happened to me with one of La Del Rey's releases. And I always know, to me, this is a sign that this one in is good. When I'm listening to the album and I'm thinking, man, I would really want to listen to this other album this person did. So that happened to me. Like, I got about halfway through it and I was like, you know what? I'm gonna listen to Folklore. So that happens to me sometimes. So I would rather I listened to the whole thing, listen to all of it. I might listen to it again, but I would just rather listen to some of her other stuff than this.
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Alice
So. Well, I have three more trips coming up with no kids, really excited to fully listen to all of them. And then I will give you my notes. But also, they're just my notes, actually. You can love it. You can love it.
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Brett
I really liked that. I thought actually romantic was so.
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Alice
I've heard it's really funny.
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Brett
Is that it is. It is funny.
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Alice
Really funny. Yeah. I try not to read the lyrics before I listen to. So I don't fully know. Wow. You got an extra. Yeah, a couple episodes.
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Brett
All right, guys. Well, this has been fun. Let us know what you think of the latest Taylor Swift album. This is a safe space, not a blank space. A safe space where you can share whatever views you want to share. Well, look, we only got one more Halloween episode left. I know. I'm sad, you're sad, everybody's sad. But time marches on. But next week we will have our last October episode. And it is one of my favorite topics. So usually our last one is something that I really love and this is one that I really love and I really enjoyed researching because I learned a lot that I didn't even know was true. So fascinating. Really looking forward to it. I hope you guys will join us for that. But until then, I'm Brett.
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Alice
And I'm Alice.
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Brett
And we are the prosecutors.
- [71:31]
Alice
Okay. Yeah. So Britney decided to potty train. Fantastic. So proud of her. But we had to stop every 20 to 40 minutes on our road to trip. And it was like. And you can't. Like, she screamed when we like, pee in your diaper. And I get it. If you told me to just pee on myself, like, I'd be like, no, I can't do it.
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Brett
Well, that's going to make it really easy.
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Alice
You would think. But we put a diaper on her, but she never peed in it. So, you know, so proud of her. It was so inconvenient. That's good.
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Brett
I'm proud of her.
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Alice
I'm proud of her too. Okay.
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Brett
All right, you ready.
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Alice
Sam? This works. Nice. Nice. Okay, guys, this is how serious I am. He's dressed as a pilot.
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Brett
Love it.
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Alice
This is. This is just this morning at breakfast, Sam.
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Brett
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Alice
You will die in seven days Scream.
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Brett
And from dusk till dawn. This is my kind of place. And don't miss the man made nightmares in Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. Or the world ending chaos in 28 days later.
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Alice
There's something in the blood.
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Brett
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