343. 2025 Bloopers

Summary

The Prosecutors Episode 343: 2025 Bloopers

Podcast: The Prosecutors
Hosts: Alice & Brett
Date: January 6, 2026
Episode: 343. 2025 Bloopers

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Overview

This special “Bloopers” episode of The Prosecutors delivers more than just flubs and on-air gaffes—it’s an entertaining, behind-the-scenes mosaic of Alice and Brett’s dynamic as co-hosts, parents, and prosecutors. Throughout a series of off-the-cuff conversations, technical mishaps, accidental mispronunciations, and family interruptions, listeners are treated to the human (and hilarious) side of two legal minds whose friendship and personal lives are tightly woven into the podcast. Expect candid moments, relatable parenting struggles, jabs at their own profession, and irrepressible southern charm.

Tone: Warm, self-deprecating, spontaneous, and brimming with genuine affection—plus plenty of sports and pop culture tangents.

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Key Discussion Points and Memorable Moments

1. Life and Parenting Interruptions

• Real life intrudes often: Both hosts discuss (and are interrupted by) their kids, navigating travel hassles, nap schedules, and the chaos of solo parenting.

  • Alice: “I'm gonna go deal with Squanto real quick. I'll be back in two seconds. He's stomping right above my head.” ([01:46])
  • Brett: “The emotional manipulation of children. They're always like, I just want a hug...I know a day will come when you don't want to hug me. So I'm gonna hug you. But, man, go to sleep. Go to sleep.” ([05:44]–[05:57])

• Potty training tribulations:

  • Alice: “We had to stop every 20 to 40 minutes on our road trip. And you can't, like, she screamed when we were like, ‘Pee in your diaper’...If you told me to just pee on myself, I'd, like, no, I can't do it.” ([23:36])

2. Podcasting Realities and Meta Moments

• The podcasting hustle—no millions here:

  • Alice: “I actually think this is very important because maybe people are misled and quit their jobs to go start podcasts...You will not make millions doing podcasts. You just. You won't...Joe Rogan is not just a podcaster. He's more than that...Just a PSA, y'all.” ([13:28])
  • Brett: "Don't do that." ([13:37])

• Listener expectations vs. the real deal:

  • Alice: “I know we've said this before, that, you know, we're never going to change our podcast just because some people don't like the chit chat or us talking about our kids or the theme song. Here's the thing. We do it for each other. Like, I would be talking to Brett about this whether or not the rest of you are here.” ([52:44])
  • Brett: “If I had to talk to you by your pseudonym, I would just start laughing every time. That would be ridiculous.” ([53:16])

3. Sports Banter and Riffs

• Fantasy football woes and college sports drama:

  • Brett: “I got the Patriots tied in, and I got Stefan Diggs, and tonight I'm a Patriots fan. I typically like the Patriots anyway because I lived in Boston, but, you know, Diggs has 14 points, so let's see...Of course, I had to, you know, two quarterbacks like a good manager so that when my one quarterback had a buy, I could put the other one in. And if you wouldn't know it, my quarterback's gonna buy. And what did the other quarterback do? He got a concussion, so he's out. So I had to pick up another quarterback. I mean, what in the world?” ([02:39]–[05:13])

• On football commentators:

  • Brett: "I would rather have Tom Brady following me around narrating my life than listen to Joe Buck. I despise Joe Buck. Joe Buck is a cancer on sports. And he's everywhere. Just disgusting." ([70:00]–[71:00])

4. Pop Culture, Bloopers, and Mispronunciations

• Hunger Games mishap:

  • Alice: “You look like you're from. You're a competitor in the Hunger Games.”
  • Brett: “Not PETA. Come on.”
  • Alice: “But PETA lives.”
  • Brett: “It would be better. It was better to die than live a PETA.” ([06:17]–[07:04])

• Running joke on pronouncing names and drugs:

  • Alice: “Let me just tell you, we have a third co-host and her name is Mispronunciation.” ([88:39])
  • Brett: “I love it when everybody's like, just so you know, the name of this random place in my state is completely wrong.” ([89:00])

5. Professional Gaffes and Technical Chaos

• Technical Snafus:

  • Brett and Alice trade barbs when one can't find the other on screen:

    • Brett: “That's the problem with. I still have not really figured out the navigational system for the Mac. So, like, you've disappeared. I don't know where you are. Let's see.” ([42:19])

  • Zoom and Streamyard confusion; accidental echoes; constantly trying to get the right audio, video, or setup.

• Interview confusion and interruptions:

  • Group struggles to sign off, clarify who’s responsible, and wrangle both their tech and their guests.

6. Fan Interactions and Live Episodes

• Shoutouts to dedicated fans watching live:
  • Brett: “By the way, there are 183 people here. We gave them two hours notice.” ([28:09])
  • Alice: “You guys are the best.” ([18:47])

7. Podcast Lore, In-Jokes, and Future Plans

• After Dark, Premiums, and Merch:

  • Alice: "We're gonna be giving out press passes. We're giving out press passes for the Epstein files release tomorrow. But only for the 10,000. Correct. Premium. It's the premium plus level. And it's gonna be at 1am you have to figure out the time zone." ([79:10])

• On buying the Greenbrier Resort:

  • Brett: “You can buy it if you want it. It's in bankruptcy.” ([21:21])
  • Alice: “Is it for sale? I don't want to run the Greenbrier. That sounds terrible. I don't know how to make tea.” ([21:23])

8. Memorable Quotes & Unscripted Gems

• On AI Replacing Podcast Hosts:

  • Brett: “I don't know why you even listen to podcasts when Google AI will tell you everything you want to know. It's going to have Google AI record from me on. I wonder if I could have Google listen to all our episodes and then just record from here on out. I bet it could. Nobody could fake our voices. That'd be kind of awesome.” ([61:40])

• On missing their kids:

  • Alice: “Like, someone was asking me, oh, did your meetings go well for work? And I was like, there are a few meetings that are worth being away from my kids right now. You know, that's just where I am.” ([93:59])

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Notable Bloopers and Gags (With Timestamps)

• [05:44] – Kids' emotional manipulation revealed.
• [07:01] – “Better to die than live a PETA.”
• [23:36] – Potty training drama on road trips.
• [29:16] – First day of school tears and Daniel Tiger sing-along.
• [42:42] – “I'm always here.” / Navigational woes on Mac.
• [52:44] – “We do it for each other…” – meta podcasting reflection.
• [61:40] – Musings on AI replacing them as podcast hosts.
• [70:00-71:00] – Rant about sports announcers, especially Joe Buck.
• [88:39] – “Third co-host and her name is Mispronunciation.”
• [93:59] – Work travel and missing home.
• [95:08] – New theme music debut and reliving the thrill of collaboration.
• [97:38] – Excited about finally having podcast shirts to sell.

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Highlighted Quotes

• On podcast fame:
  Alice: “You will not make millions doing podcasts… Just a PSA, y’all.” ([13:28])

• On authenticity:
  Alice: “I would be talking to Brett about this whether or not the rest of you are here.” ([52:44])

• On co-host dynamics:
  Brett: “If I had to talk to you by your pseudonym, I would just start laughing every time.” ([53:16])

• On frustration with sports announcers:
  Brett: “Joe Buck is a cancer on sports. And he's everywhere. Just disgusting.” ([70:00–71:00])

• On the struggle to be anonymous:
  Brett: “We probably...If we really wanted to be anonymous, using our real names and talking about our lives constantly wasn't the way to do it.” ([52:35])

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Best Irreverent Moments

• Hunger Games Name Fail:
  Alice: “You look like you’re from...you're a competitor in the Hunger Games.”
  Brett: “Not PETA.”
  Alice: “But PETA lives.”
  Brett: “It would be better to die than live a PETA.” ([06:17–07:04])

• Meta on Podcast Advice:
  Brett: “We both speak to lots of people who want to start podcast. Podcast, and we’re happy to talk to them, but they're always like, aren't you afraid people are gonna know too much about you? I'm like, man, that ship has sailed.” ([51:49])

• Kids and riot control:
  Alice: “Sometimes times for riot control, you need them to come to your conclusion on their own.” ([92:44])

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Final Thoughts

The “2025 Bloopers” episode gives listeners an affectionate, laughter-fueled look at what it's really like behind the microphone for Alice and Brett. Heavy on off-topic but engaging banter, the episode demonstrates the value of personality and chemistry in true crime podcasting. For longtime fans, it’s a rewarding reminder that the human side, complete with interruptions, jokes, and flubs, is part of what makes The Prosecutors so beloved.

Endnote:
If you’re picking this up as your first episode, know that you’re diving into the wild, heartfelt depths of the show’s personality—where family, friendship, and the love of storytelling matter every bit as much as the law.

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Transcript

[Alice]

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[Brett]

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[Brett]

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[Alice]

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[Brett]

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[Alice]

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[Brett]

And we are the prosecutors. Sam.

[Alice]

But also, kids don't take food from strangers. I'm not a stranger, though.

[Brett]

Miss Alice.

[Alice]

Except for Miss Alice.

[Brett]

Let me turn off.

[Alice]

All right.

[Brett]

Okay, here we go. You ready?

[Alice]

I'm gonna go deal with Squanto real quick. I'll be back in two seconds.

[Brett]

Okay.

[Alice]

He's stomping right above my head.

[Brett]

Let's see. Yeah. I don't know, man. ISP not bad themselves in glory on this one. I think they had their B team on this. No, it's just one of my Alabama shirts. So I was watching the basketball game. It's a good game. We had it tied with two minutes left, but swung against us, as basketball games often do end up losing, so thought it was to Purdue, who's one or two, depending on who you ask. So it's fine. These games will pay off later on tournament time. So as we are at basketball school now, let's see what's going on in the football game. Big game for my fantasy team. I need some. I need some more points. Oh, actually, I don't do any bad.

[Julia]

Okay.

[Brett]

Yeah. Go Patriots. Anyways, I mean, mostly for Auburn fans. Pharmasaurus. We didn't. We didn't have to go to overtime against Bethune. Cookman. Unlike some teams in the state, we lost the number two team in the country. Yeah, nobody thinks that, Joe. It's a good guess. But hey, look, I got the Patriots tied in, and I got Stefan Diggs, and tonight I'm a Patriots fan. I typically like the Patriots anyway because I lived in Boston, but, you know, Diggs has 14 points, so let's see. Yeah, because he screwed up and didn't give Georgia that touchdown. That's the thing Auburn fans don't want to admit. The error they made was that after the fumble, Georgia recovered, ran it back for a touchdown and they screwed it up. It wasn't you. It. It wasn't the error for you. It was the error for Georgia that got the guy fired. But I understand, if you're an Auburn fan, you have to take your wins where you can, because frankly, there aren't that many these days. But, you know, let's not live in a fantasy world. Let's, like, grab hold of reality and move forward from there. They have his son Joe, so I'm sure they'll be just as good at basketball with his son. It's like when we hired Mike Shula, we basically got Don Sheila, right? Isn't that how it works? Like, it's like genetic and coaching ability? I think that's how it works. Maybe I'm wrong.

[Alice]

I don't know.

[Brett]

Have a lemonade. Farmasaurus. He'll feel better. I do need Hunter Henry to pick it up a little bit. He's got 6.5 right now. I need him to get, like, a touchdown or something. But anyway, he needs to have a couple of touchdowns. It's granted he has children, but come on. I know I'm going to be watching Joe. Looking forward to all those Alabama players naming themselves. Should be a good game, too. Two good teams. Sophie, what's happened to the Vikings? It's like falling off. Who is my defense? So the Cowboys defense, they're playing the Raiders. I thought the Raiders are terrible, right? Am I right about that? Because I could get the team that's playing the Texans because their quarterback's out. So sorry. Hi, I. Hi. You have reached Joe. I don't think you're gonna win this week, but I don't know who they're playing. Let's see. Of course, I had to, you know two quarterbacks like a good manager so that when my one quarterback had a buy, I could put the other one in. And if you wouldn't know it, my quarterback's gonna buy. And what did the other quarterback do? He got a concussion, so he's out. So I had to pick up another quarterback. I mean, what in the world?

[Alice]

What happened?

[Brett]

What happened when I left talking about fantasy football?

[Alice]

Keep going, please.

[Brett]

I don't know who the Texans are playing. They're playing whatever. I'm happy with my team.

[Alice]

So those of you who have children can commiserate with this. We are in between dropping naps, but whenever we take a nap, which sometimes still happens, means we don't go to sleep till like, 9:30. And like, what do you say? They're like, I want to give you a hug. I'm like, I don't want to give you a hug. I want you to go to sleep.

[Brett]

I know. The emotional manipulation of children. They're always like, I just. I just want to hug.

[Alice]

Because they always just want to hug.

[Brett]

It's like, I know a day will come when you don't want to hug me. So I'm gonna hug you. But, man, go to sleep. Go to sleep. Exactly.

[Alice]

Go the f To sleep.

[Brett]

Is it my turn? Am I up?

[Alice]

It's your turn. I'm sorry about that. Yep. Because we just said that they demolished settlement.

[Brett]

Okay. Let's see. See? Okay. You got it? I got it.

[Alice]

I like the. The, like, turtleneck, zip up. Looks good. Thank you. You look like you're from. You're a competitor in the Hunger Games.

[Brett]

There you go. Yeah.

[Alice]

PETA.

[Brett]

Not PETA. Come on.

[Alice]

Not Peter. What's his name?

[Brett]

Any of them would have been fine. Except PETA.

[Alice]

But PETA lives.

[Brett]

It would be better. It was better to die than live. A pea.

[Alice]

Okay, just because he's not as cute.

[Brett]

No, because he's. His cuteness has nothing to do with it. His patheticness has everything.

[Alice]

He's a little pathetic, but I was trying to pick someone that. I was trying to pick someone who lived.

[Brett]

As I said, better to die than to live. A PETA.

[Alice]

Goodness gracious. They did not know we were stupid.

[Brett]

So if you know, you know. Not familiar. Everyone hates PETA. Like, literally everyone.

[Alice]

I know this, but I was trying to. I was trying to make you live.

[Brett]

I don't want to live.

[Alice]

Like, I did not know you felt.

[Brett]

Benedict Arles survived the Revolutionary War, too. And didn't do him a lot of good, did it?

[Alice]

Goodness. Well, you can't. He can't be Gail, because Gail didn't compete. He's a competitor. Who.

[Brett]

Who.

[Alice]

Who are those guys who are, like, really, like, literal. The killer guys, you know, there's like, a boy and a girl.

[Brett]

Better be them Caesar or something.

[Alice]

Whatever their names are, they were very good looking. Okay.

[Brett]

Okay.

[Alice]

We can do this. This is what happens when I solo parent. I'm here.

[Brett]

Here we go. I gotta get in the right mindset for this now.

[Alice]

Yeah. This is devastating.

[Brett]

No. And you talk about PETA all the time. All right, here we go. Here we go.

[Alice]

Okay. Career. Career Tributes. That's what they're called anyways.

[Brett]

Okay. All right. Okay.

[Alice]

I can't believe I got called out. He never listens. He never listens. That's why it's so funny. Oh, Mrs. Says I'm awake.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Alice]

Look at our supportive spouses listening two hours into the broadcast.

[Julia]

True.

[Alice]

Actually, that makes sense because Mr. Al is probably trying to call me.

[Brett]

Oh, yeah. He's like, why aren't you answering?

[Alice]

What is she doing? Let me click on this link and see if she's still there.

[Brett]

There you go.

[Alice]

All right, I'm gonna go now. Check all my doors and windows.

[Brett]

Y' all are awesome. We'll see you soon. Love you. Mean it. Bye. I take it he's in Tuscaloosa?

[Alice]

He is. That's pretty funny.

[Brett]

Fun times. All right, don't forget to stop your recording. Florifier. And after.

[Alice]

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[Brett]

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[Brett]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Alice]

I like to say record when I'm recording. It's very descriptive, prescriptive, and meta.

[Brett]

All right, I'm gonna go ahead and go live.

[Alice]

I was really sad to be, like, at the pool when it was, like, we were, like, the only ones there, because, you know, school's about to start, but it was, like, the end of an era, you know? I don't know. So. Yeah.

[Brett]

So hello, everyone.

[Alice]

Hello, everybody. Yeah, so my big two, Start school tomorrow, including Squantu, who starts kindergarten. But this is actually really good. My kids are totally, like, no angst about starting school. It's not a big deal. It's just like, another day, which I don't know why, but that's great. So I was like, are you excited? They're like, oh, yeah. Which is, like, the right attitude to have, but I'm like, you know, a lot of emotions. That bottle look massive because you're drinking, like, the per. It's, like, right there.

[Brett]

I mean, it's. It's 34 ounces.

[Alice]

It's like a handle.

[Brett]

It's Vichy water. Oh, you've ever seen.

[Alice]

No, I don't.

[Brett]

Casablanca.

[Alice]

Wait, can you hold it up a little bit? Ah, look at that. Catalan.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Alice]

Beautiful.

[Brett]

So. Brought it to France.

[Alice]

Did you go to France and get her? You spot him?

[Brett]

I flew over on my private jet.

[Alice]

Quite. Quite the.

[Brett]

Because with all our millions we make.

[Alice]

In the podcast, I just want to clear something up for those of you. I actually think this is very important because maybe people are misled and quit their jobs to go start podcasts.

[Brett]

Don't do that.

[Alice]

You will not make millions doing podcasts. You just. You won't. Because Joe Rogan is not just a podcaster. He's, like, more than that. And, like. And I. Maybe there's, like, a couple who. And most of them started out as celebrities in some shape or form, but don't quit your jobs to think you're gonna strike millions. It's like the gold rush, you know, you're probably gonna die from something else before you strike millions. So just. Just a PSA, y'. All.

[Brett]

Yeah, you know, we did West Memphis Three. We had 300 people on the live. Back to Bessie Hyde. There's 40 of you.

[Alice]

Our favorite 40. Our favorite 40. Yeah.

[Brett]

Our favorite 40, but just, you know.

[Alice]

But, you know, I kind of needed something more intimate tonight because, as you can tell, my hair is wet because we went to the pool as, like, a last hurrah. It was like the last hurrah of summer before we start school tomorrow. And I don't know, I feel all the feels right now. So it's probably good that we're just. It's a smaller crowd. My best friends.

[Brett]

We started. We started. Come on.

[Alice]

Hey, pup.

[Brett]

Last week. So I went through all the feels last week, but I'm good.

[Alice]

Yeah.

[Brett]

Okay. Are you ready to do this thing?

[Alice]

I'm okay. Yeah. Yeah. I'm good.

[Brett]

Work will get you through it.

[Alice]

Who is this? You? Okay, you start anyway, so it doesn't matter.

[Brett]

It's true. I did tend to start. All right, here we go. Hello, everybody. And I don't have a word for you, so I should probably do that before I go. Let's see. One day. One day I'm gonna remember that I have to do this. You know, I'm just gonna have it.

[Alice]

Was that your dog?

[Brett]

I think so. Was that you?

[Alice]

Is your dog, like, playing dice down there?

[Brett]

What was that?

[Alice]

What was that? I was like, he's playing Russian roulette down there.

[Brett]

I don't know what that was like a rattlesnake in here or something.

[Alice]

I don't know.

[Brett]

Anyway, Have I called you? I thought I've called you Ripper, haven't I? Haven't I called you Ripper? Ripper.

[Alice]

I don't think so. Sorry I almost killed Bug. Didn't kill the bug.

[Brett]

No, I'm just gonna go with that.

[Alice]

Ripper. Okay. Like a Riptide. That's a fantastic song.

[Brett]

It's a great song.

[Alice]

Riptide.

[Brett]

Great cover by Taylor Swift. Radio one Live, if you haven't seen it, Google Radio one. Taylor Swift. Riptide. Okay, here we go.

[Alice]

You're doing great.

[Brett]

Pup down. Gotta calm down. Yeah. Be quiet. Okay. I'm gonna go live.

[Alice]

Check, check, check, check. Okay. Okay.

[Brett]

So good to see everybody again. It's been so long. It's been months.

[Alice]

Feels like it. I mean, it's like almost the end of October, so it does feel like it's been months because we. It was like the end of summer and now it's like Christmas, basically. Don't worry, we haven't skipped Halloween.

[Brett]

It's funny because we're recording our Halloween episode on Thursday.

[Alice]

Yeah.

[Brett]

And today I was thinking about. I was like, oh, shoot, we have to do it on Thursday because it's got to come out next week. We're already almost.

[Alice]

Even though we already recorded past it. I know you're. Because you're gonna go to the Halloween thing tomorrow, right? I am. Okay, I figured you were. That's why I didn't suggest. Although you probably already be in costume.

[Brett]

I don't usually get dressed up for the kids stuff.

[Alice]

What? That's like, the best time to do it because the kids get all excited. Anyways, do their thing.

[Brett]

What they're gonna do after.

[Alice]

This is a very interesting case, but after this episode, I have the wildest travel story for you.

[Brett]

Do an After Dark after this.

[Alice]

You have no idea how crazy it is.

[Brett]

Lily, it's not her birthday.

[Alice]

It's been like a month since her birthday. That's how long it's been since we recorded. Okay, let me think of a descriptor for you.

[Brett]

Is it this? No, it's not that. Banners, maybe? Yeah, that's it. Okay.

[Alice]

All right, I'm ready.

[Brett]

You ready? Let's do it. Thought you were ready.

[Alice]

I'm ready. I'm just thinking. I'm thinking. Okay.

[Brett]

What was that? Is that my baby or yours?

[Alice]

Could be my baby.

[Brett]

Moving on.

[Alice]

Those of you who are new to the podcast, we have a lot of babies between us, and none of them are both of ours that went longer.

[Brett]

Than I thought it would.

[Alice]

Her. I literally was like, yeah, I'll be out in like 45 minutes, hour, tops.

[Brett]

Yeah. Talk about this so much. What more is there to say?

[Alice]

I missed you.

[Brett]

I missed you too.

[Alice]

Also. Do we have ads? I assume we do.

[Brett]

Well, we did not earlier today.

[Alice]

Oh, then maybe not here. I know we've gotten. We have not.

[Brett]

We have not gotten them. Okay, well, it's up to you. Do you want to do any after dark or are you tired?

[Alice]

I can do a little bit. I haven't talked to you in a while. I mean, all these people stayed here for like a two hour update on a report that came out like a week ago.

[Brett]

It's true.

[Alice]

You guys are the best. Okay, So I traveled this weekend. Or I actually was supposed to be gone for one night, and then. And then got stuck in Texas. I mean, not the worst place to get stuck. It was great.

[Brett]

There's worse places. Which part of Texas?

[Alice]

I was in Austin. Got stuck in Dallas. So I still stayed a night in Dallas and then flew back home.

[Brett]

I see Dallas out there partying.

[Alice]

Probably was me. Well, I was in the Austin airport for, like, eight hours. Like, it was, like, crazy. But that's okay. It's all right. I do love The Austin airport, though. They have live music. It's great. Okay. You know what? You know what's scarier than ghost stories? All the. The photos from, like, the 1800s.

[Brett]

I know.

[Alice]

They just. They just look scary.

[Brett]

They do. You know, and the, like, the looks on their faces. Is it.

[Alice]

Is it that color because of age, or was that the color in the Originally? I don't know.

[Brett]

I think that's just the way everything looked back then.

[Alice]

I think so, too. And then, like, age only makes it more of that color.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Alice]

Okay. Anyways, I'm ready anytime.

[Brett]

Okay.

[Alice]

This isn't near the Greenbrier. Is it, like, the Greenbrier Resort?

[Brett]

It is.

[Alice]

It is.

[Brett]

I didn't know that was just a coincidence.

[Alice]

I don't know. There's a lot. There's, like, lots of Greenbriers. There's lots of green, so the Greenbrier is beautiful. The only time I've ever been was college because it was, like, relatively close to where I went to college. But we'd have, like, formals there, and it was, like, the first time, you know, because I did not grow up fancy. But the going to the Greenbrier as, like, a college student for, like, you know, a Sigma Chi prom or whatever was, like, the fanciest experience I've ever had. I was like, they just have tea every day. People drink tea for fun.

[Brett]

Did you go on the. The bunker tour while you were there?

[Alice]

I did not. No.

[Brett]

I always want to do that. When we were there last time we had the kids, I was like, they probably don't walk five miles.

[Alice]

Yeah.

[Brett]

No, instead, we just played in the sand.

[Alice]

I was gonna say we. It was. We. We had tea. That's basically what we did. Okay.

[Brett]

Okay, here we go.

[Alice]

I'm ready. I'm ready for the Greenbrier. But I will say the Greenbrier is like. I mean, maybe it's just because it's the first fancy place I ever went in my life. It's one of, like. It's so quaint. It's so beautiful.

[Brett]

You can buy it if you want it. It's in bankruptcy.

[Alice]

Is it for sale? I don't want to run the Greenbrier. That sounds terrible.

[Brett]

It's gonna be auctioned off. There's, like, this whole fight about it. West Virginia.

[Alice]

I don't know. Is it. Did the. Is it, like, in debt or something?

[Brett]

Presumably.

[Alice]

Oh, bummer. It's like, such a beautiful place. Probably haunted, but, you know. Yes. I'm talking about West Virginia Green br.

[Brett]

Okay.

[Alice]

Okay. Ready? Ready, Freddy?

[Brett]

All right.

[Alice]

I Want to buy it? I mean, I don't want to buy it because that sounds like a terrible thing to have to run. I don't know how to make tea.

[Brett]

Here we go.

[Alice]

I'm ready. That was creepy. That was creepy. We haven't gotten ads, by the way. So if I make it back in time tomorrow, I assume I can. It's just this weekend because of my travails.

[Brett]

You just let me know.

[Alice]

Yeah, my plan is to get back in time. Exactly. Melted George Washington eyeballs and an ice cream. That's a. I don't. I don't know where that came from. I like it, but it's just crazy.

[Brett]

I remember another one when I was a kid, real little, there was an article in the local newspaper about a farmer who'd been killed by hail. Oh, my. Ice, Ice. Stones falling from the sky. Well, when I heard the story in my mind, I heard hell.

[Alice]

And.

[Brett]

And I just imagined, like, Satan and demons coming down and killing this guy. Like, terrifying Satan and the devil and fire and brimstone falling down on.

[Alice]

They came after this one farmer, like.

[Brett]

Yeah, hell killed this guy. And I was like, wow. Freaked me out.

[Alice]

How did he call upon the fury of all of hell?

[Brett]

I know, I know. And I was worried about that for a long time.

[Alice]

That's terrifying. That's. That's accents for you.

[Brett]

Yeah. There you go. Okay, guys, don't forget to stop recording. Oh, I forgot.

[Alice]

Well, I'm glad we got that story because it's hilarious. I do feel really okay. Yeah. So, Bret, he decided the potty train. Fantastic. So proud of her. But we had to stop every 20 to 40 minutes on our road trip. And it was like. And you can't. Like, she screamed when we, like, pee in your diaper. And I get it. If you told me to just pee on myself, like, I'd, like, no, I can't do it.

[Brett]

Well, that's going to make it really easy.

[Alice]

You would think, but we put a diaper on her, but she never peed in it, you know? So proud of her. It was so inconvenient.

[Brett]

That's good. I'm proud of her.

[Alice]

I'm proud of her, too. Okay.

[Brett]

All right, you ready? Okay, let's turn the music off. All right, here we go. Okay, here we go. You ready? I'm ready. You ready? Okay, let's do this thing.

[Alice]

Oh, sorry about last time. That's okay. The reason that happened that I had to cancel was this marks the one week point where our air conditioning has been out and it's been 100 degrees. Your air conditioning's been out. So I think. I think Brittany was throwing up because she got herself so worked up because it was so hot. But we didn't know it was breaking that night, so I didn't put two and two together. And then that night when I went up to clean up her throw up, I was like, oh, my gosh, the air conditioning is not working. So it's supposed to come on Wednesday. The problem is when it's 100 degrees, everyone's air conditioning breaks at the same time.

[Brett]

True.

[Alice]

So I'm so sorry you guys are catching us halfway, but we were supposed to do this a week ago and I canceled. Yeah, it's okay.

[Brett]

I didn't want to explain everybody who's here live. So this is gonna be a little weird for you guys because. So the three of us. Hold on one second.

[Alice]

You can tell them.

[Brett]

Yeah. Some little technical thing going on here. Okay. Does that sound fun?

[Alice]

Yeah. You found. You sound fine when you talk into the microphone. You sound great.

[Brett]

The three of us had like an hour and a half long interview with Terry Hobbs. So this is the follow on to that. So you guys don't have the benefit of the interview, but I still think it'll be interesting. And we're also going to talk about just generally the West Memphis three profiles. Profile the killer, that sort of thing. So if that all makes sense, then we can go ahead and get started. All right, we good?

[Alice]

We good. And obviously the star of the show tonight is Julia.

[Brett]

Exactly. And. And when we sign off this time, you're good to go, Julie.

[Alice]

Yeah, exactly. You better. You better. People will be upset with us if you embarrassed.

[Brett]

No, I just. It was more that I thought it was a. I didn't want Terry doing it because I thought it was strange. So just trying to like.

[Alice]

I'm so sorry. I had done it before. It wasn't a big deal. You are on your show, so I.

[Brett]

You should always do it. Oh, no, I'm just pointing out that there. The reason was not. It wasn't that I didn't want you in there. It was.

[Alice]

Oh, no. I just thought. Oh, I. I misunderstood. You never. You never missed it. You have a permanent slot in our sign off.

[Brett]

Okay. All right. Thank you so much.

[Alice]

Thank you.

[Brett]

We owe you especially.

[Alice]

We just talked about how you're not a night owl and we stay up so late.

[Brett]

I know. And you're an hour later than us, so it's like 11 o'.

[Alice]

Clock. Yeah, it's okay. Yeah.

[Brett]

That.

[Alice]

Just have an extra cup of Coff, I've always been an early bird. I never stayed up all night until I started working at the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation and I got called out for like one of my first homicide scenes. And I was up all night and I'm like, this is the first time I've ever been up all night. That's a pretty good excuse. I was like, yeah, I. I've always been an early bird. I just. So boring. Boring. Those are the people who run the world. Us night owls, I think, die earlier, probably for not sleeping. Thank you, Julia. You're welcome.

[Brett]

Is there anything we can do for you? Let us know because we need to.

[Alice]

Oh, yeah, you've done a lot already.

[Brett]

We've taken so much of your time. We really have.

[Alice]

No, I. I mean, I appreciate everything you do with promoting our show. I really appreciate it. It's a good show. It promotes itself.

[Brett]

I'm gonna go ahead and end the stream so we can download Julia's things. Everybody say bye. They all came. By the way, there are 183 people here. We gave them two hours notice.

[Alice]

That's true.

[Brett]

We're gonna do this and here they are because of you.

[Alice]

I doubt that, but thank you, everyone.

[Brett]

Love you. Meaning everybody. Okay, let's see the recording.

[Alice]

Thank you, Julia. I honestly never looked at the screen when we talked.

[Brett]

Are you serious?

[Alice]

I just can't. I like, literally could not bring myself to look at the screen. I looked at you when it was just you, but if I saw. If I saw it was on the screen, I didn't look.

[Brett]

And I was just thinking we talk about the documentary and give people a little behind the scenes, how it works.

[Alice]

Great, great. Love it. Easy peasy.

[Brett]

If you need to go, for whatever reason, just go. All right, I'm ready to start when you are.

[Alice]

I am.

[Brett]

I'm going to go left.

[Alice]

You have to think of a name.

[Brett]

You think of a name. You be thinking of a name.

[Alice]

All right, I'm ready. You want me to turn up?

[Brett]

I don't care. I'm turning myself up.

[Alice]

Oh, I thought I was too loud, so I turned me down a little bit. Me down, guys. I know it was for you, too. It was the first day of school for both of us and I cried a lot. I don't have any makeup on because I cried it all off.

[Brett]

I can't handle it. It's not a very good parent because I can't handle the emotions.

[Alice]

It was Britney's first day. Can you believe it? That she's old enough.

[Brett]

No, that's insane.

[Alice]

How's that even, like, I don't know how it's possible, but it's so great. You know what's really hard about her, though? She's so articulate and so she speaks like a baby still. Like, you know, tiny little chirpy voice. But I said, how was school today? And usually my boys would be like, right, like grunts. And she goes, when you drove away, it made me very sad. And I was like, she's two, y'. All. She is two. My kids are like, peace, well, I.

[Brett]

Mean, see you later, you know?

[Alice]

And I was like, that was so articulate. And also it was like 10 hours later she remembered it, you know, and then I sang her the Daniel Tiger song. Grown ups come back Grown ups come back they do grown ups come back they do Grown ups come back.

[Brett]

I actually never seen that show, so.

[Alice]

I've actually never seen it either. But our favorite toy is that little read along book that has the songs. That's not true. We've seen the show before. We just don't regularly watch it. Great song anyways. Okay.

[Brett]

I'm sorry, I was just really into that.

[Alice]

Are you still singing? Okay. All right. Should we just start?

[Brett]

Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. Get ready. I'm ready to rock and roll. Say something amazing about how awesome I looked. Like.

[Alice]

You did look awesome. Okay, here we go. I'm not going to call you sexy because now people are gonna go crazy.

[Brett]

Exactly.

[Alice]

Okay. Oh, yeah, we forgot to talk about how you said a real Southern.

[Brett]

I did say.

[Alice]

Southern by association.

[Brett]

And people keep saying it's the same. It's not the same. I was.

[Alice]

No, no, no. You sounded more Southern to me.

[Brett]

Way more Southern. But I don't know if I was nervous.

[Alice]

Like I sounded more Southern by association.

[Brett]

You sounded serious. You were.

[Alice]

Did I sound serious?

[Brett]

I thought you were like, seriously.

[Alice]

Oh, I didn't mean to be serious. I'm the least serious.

[Brett]

And I was like, well, I just came in from the holler last night and my theory on this is Odinus did it probably.

[Alice]

Oh, my gosh. And it's like, ridiculous.

[Brett]

I was watching my wife and she's like, what is going on with you?

[Alice]

Did she think it too? I didn't tell you about that.

[Brett]

I was like, I don't know. So we have tons of ads.

[Alice]

Yeah, tons of ads. Okay, we should stop this and start a new one.

[Brett]

Oh, yeah, we should do that.

[Alice]

Hey, Brett.

[Brett]

Hello, everyone.

[Alice]

Yes, I'm wondering if we'll run into the same problem with three videos you Were kind of lagging for me. I don't know if it's just me. Did you hear a lag, Philip? You did.

[Philip]

Okay, Yeah, I see a little bit of a lag.

[Julia]

Okay.

[Alice]

Okay.

[Brett]

Well, I. Can. You mean to turn video off?

[Alice]

No, we want to see your face. Just if it gets bad, Philip, you stay on the video. But sometimes, because of the bandwidth, we have found that maybe I'll. I'll mute or I'll go know. It's not because I'm offended by you. It's because we're trying to get the stream up to speed. But you. You stay you. And then it'll be great.

[Brett]

Okay.

[Alice]

Okay, sounds good. But before I. We do a little sign on, and then it's very conversational, as you'll see. But anything in particular you want me to note about you? I know you're investigative journalist and this is your first book, is that right?

[Philip]

That's right.

[Alice]

By the way. Thank you.

[Philip]

Well, it was many years in the making. I had hair when I started it.

[Alice]

No, nothing.

[Philip]

Nothing particular to note. I mean, I'm based in Rhode Island. Working journalist, first book.

[Brett]

Oh.

[Philip]

Paperback's coming out April 1st. Maybe you can.

[Alice]

Okay, we can. Yeah. And obviously you can mention any of this. I will. Okay. I'll do a very short sign on, I'll introduce you, and then you'll see, we'll just have a conversation about this. Hey, patrons listening. You're gonna love this. Okay, here we go. This is a legal briefs, right, Brett?

[Brett]

Yep.

[Alice]

All right.

[Brett]

Yay.

[Alice]

Thanks, Philip. That was awesome. Really appreciate it.

[Philip]

Thank you. This was so fun. You guys are such good hosts. And have you enjoyed it? Yeah.

[Alice]

Thank you for writing us in the first place that everybody in the chat's.

[Brett]

Gonna buy the book, so. Yeah, they're on it. I was telling. I was saying everybody in the chat's gonna buy the book, so they've. They've got the link.

[Philip]

Oh, I was in the. I was in the private chat part.

[Brett]

Oh, there you go. The whole time.

[Alice]

Yeah, there's all these people who are. Oh, talking in real time.

[Philip]

This is so cool.

[Brett]

So I'm gonna let him read your comments, and if he has. If you have any questions real fast, you want to ask him. Yeah, you can, because in the stream.

[Philip]

Thank you.

[Brett]

We make fun of you in the private chat.

[Alice]

We don't make fun of you.

[Brett]

Pharmacist, who's on here, so.

[Philip]

Oh, great. Great. Yeah. I mean, there's so many different people who. Who bring unique perspectives to it, whether they're prosecutors, whether they're doctors, I mean, and we've got people who have had surgery, it looks like. And, and certainly, unfortunately, we in this country are rarely too many steps removed from somebody who's, who's been affected by addiction or overdose. I mean, I certainly very rarely more than one. Right, right, right. So, yeah, I really appreciate you guys for having me on the next story that I'm working on. I don't know if you sign the acknowledgments. There was a whole Freedom of Information act lawsuit behind this book. You know about this?

[Alice]

No, I, I, I know that you, you got a bunch of documents.

[Brett]

I didn't realize you got into a lawsuit.

[Philip]

Oh, I, I got the documents from the trial because I had to sue for them.

[Alice]

It was, Oh, I didn't realize that.

[Philip]

I'll versus dea Google.

[Alice]

Look at that.

[Brett]

Remember, that wasn't the plan.

[Philip]

I didn't go in thinking I'm going to sue the dea. But it is a long story. So I, I think the next one's going to be, be about the Freedom of Information Act.

[Brett]

Well, Alice is an expert on the freedom of information.

[Alice]

I don't know about you, but I also litigated those.

[Brett]

Oh, you did?

[Alice]

Yeah, I did.

[Brett]

We need an interview. If you need an interview, you can interview.

[Philip]

No, I, I, I, I will call you up, Alice, because. Yeah, yeah, there was a whole, I, I got super interested in the foia, but that's awesome.

[Alice]

That's, look, foia, you know, we always say access to information is where the real information, like real story is.

[Brett]

Foyer is where information goes to die.

[Alice]

That's true.

[Brett]

Where sunshine fades into darkness.

[Philip]

Well, I will, I will come knocking. Maybe in 15 years from now.

[Alice]

The next one you'll get done in 12 years.

[Brett]

There you go.

[Philip]

I, I hope so, I hope so, but thank you so much.

[Alice]

No, thank you. I know you're an hour later than us, so thank you so much.

[Philip]

That's fine. Thank you.

[Brett]

I'm gonna go ahead and end the stream. It's a great question, but it's unanswerable. I'm gonna end the stream so we can download the stream. We'll see you guys soon. Don't go anywh, Philip.

[Alice]

Okay, let's see in particular highlight in your bio.

[Brett]

Oh, in my bio? Well, I mean, I always. The only thing about my bio is.

[Julia]

People make it too long.

[Brett]

So as long as you do the abbreviated version, I'm fine.

[Alice]

Well, what I'm going to do, because no one wants to hear me talk. They just want to hear you talk. I'm going to give, like, the most abbreviated version. And what I think would be really awesome is for us to kind of go through how you came to be doing the types of work that you're doing now, which I think is incredibly important work. And there's a lot of people in this space, but you have a very unique voice. So we'll go. I will. I will have it truncated. All right. We'll do our little sign on.

[Brett]

Awesome.

[Alice]

You're a natural at podcast. I'm kidding.

[Brett]

Hey, don't go anywhere.

[Alice]

Don't go anywhere. Download.

[Brett]

I've done a few of these.

[Alice]

Jason, thank you. Thanks, Javier. That was awesome. Really. I could talk to you all night.

[Brett]

Fascinating.

[Julia]

I'm glad you asked that last question, because that was.

[Alice]

I forgot about that. Yeah, no, I know.

[Julia]

I was. I was trying to remember. I was like, there was one question out of that list, and I was like, oh, that.

[Philip]

That one's.

[Alice]

Well, it comes up in lots of. Because. Because I think the. The answer is it depends on. Just like your attorney probably said. Right. Like, it depends on the situation. And I did not think it crossed into the line of just, like, piling on. Like, each of the things went to potential illegal conduct. Right.

[Brett]

I mean, a lot of them. A lot of them. I mean, the stuff to the people in Oasis, I mean, sending that to a group of people, you shouldn't be saying anything you don't want to be.

[Alice]

I would say that's. That's not public. I mean, that's not private.

[Brett]

Right.

[Julia]

Because that. That is a group text. But, you know, my favorite Oasis text was the. The fight club one where it was like, the manager. The manager's like, hey, these two women don't get along. And she's like, oh, they must be in the same room. They really hate each other.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Julia]

Oh, well, then they have to be in the same room.

[Brett]

That was weird.

[Julia]

That's not standard. So we're living. Doing facility stuff, I don't think.

[Alice]

Yeah, I felt like that. I mean, I know you did several episodes on it, but that felt like it ended. And that's where law enforcement should pick up.

[Julia]

I'm like, why is it taking so long? It's been 16 weeks.

[Brett]

So for the. Our 67 best friends who are still here, do you want to give them any hint about what you're doing next?

[Julia]

Oh, yeah, actually. So the Ladonna series was the less scary of the options. So I had these two series at the same time, and I'm thinking. And they're both done, by the way, and they were both done at, you know, I had the ladonna one, I had this other one, and I'm like, oh, the ladonna one is less scary. So the next one that I'm doing, and I'm actually gonna pat it, I'm gonna have some stuff in between because I want some palate cleanser episodes to just get rid of the negativity because this next one's really dark. It's about sextortion. And these women in Nebraska have been targeted by this one person who hacks into their icloud account and ste their nudes. And instead of extorting them for money, which is like what you would typically expect in a sextortion case, he's extorting them for more nudes. So, like, their friends nudes. And now there's this group of women who are being targeted. And, I mean, this guy will send the nudes to this, their families, their jobs. Could you imagine going walking into work and your boss had seen the most compromising picture of you? And this happened on a daily basis.

[Brett]

That is very illegal, by the way. So I hope you've got the. The police.

[Julia]

Yeah, well, we found the guy.

[Brett]

We found the guy. Yeah.

[Julia]

So I teamed up with my friend who's this ethical hacker, and we 99% sure we found this guy. We put together a document for the law enforcement.

[Alice]

Didn't find him. We found him.

[Julia]

No, we found him. Yeah, we know exactly he made some mistakes. We have his IP address, his house, we have his name, everything. And we package this up, and there's a department and Homeland Security. Department of Homeland Security has a special sextortion like division that. That's all they do. And they're looking at it now. We just packaged it up for them. But it scares me because, you know, I have young daughters. And, like, this guy is out there. This guy is out there, and he's dangerous.

[Brett]

Reddit conspiracy that Alice and I aren't really prosecutors. So if you want to do that.

[Alice]

Really, maybe you should look into it.

[Brett]

You should look into that. There you go. Pretend.

[Alice]

We'll even give you real interviews.

[Brett]

Yeah, there you go.

[Alice]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Brett]

That's awesome. I think if I get a call and you're like, hey, do you want to come on my show and be like, hold on now, hold on, hold on.

[Alice]

What you want to ask me about?

[Julia]

You should never aspire to be on my show. That should not be a life goal for anybody.

[Alice]

I agree. I agree.

[Brett]

Well, guys who are watching, I'm gonna go ahead and end the stream so we can download this. You guys know how this goes. Thank you all for joining us.

[Alice]

Thank you.

[Brett]

Everybody say thank you to Javier. Go listen to a show. If you haven't, though, I assume that you're still here. He definitely did. And we'll see you guys later. All right, let's see.

[Alice]

Javier, stay on, because it'll upload.

[Julia]

Yeah.

[Brett]

Okay.

[Alice]

Record, record.

[Brett]

All right.

[Alice]

It is pretty cold, so I don't know why I'm sleeveless, except that I was wrangling my children.

[Brett]

That'll heat you up. Okay, let's see. All right.

[Alice]

It's quite the weekend. Yeah, like Halloween. Like, Halloween was Friday and it seems like a lifetime ago, you know?

[Brett]

Yeah. Now it's Christmas time.

[Alice]

I know. I'm so excited.

[Brett]

Okay, you ready?

[Alice]

I'm ready.

[Brett]

Okay. Oh, but I do need a word for you. Okay, let's see.

[Alice]

Merry christmas, y'.

[Julia]

All.

[Brett]

Merry christmas. Yeah. Filthy animals. Let's see. Oops. Now I'm, like, got everything messed up. Let's see. So this problem with. I still have not really figured out the navigational system for the Mac. So, like, you've disappeared. I don't know where you are. Let's see.

[Alice]

I'm here. I'm always here.

[Brett]

I can hear you, but I can't see you.

[Alice]

Wow.

[Brett]

So that means a lot to me, Alice. It runs. You're always here for me.

[Alice]

While you're trying to figure it out, I'm texting Mrs. Brett.

[Brett]

Let's see, what's a good word? Word for you. What's a good word? Got a bunch I can't pronounce. Stay away from those. Let's see. Okay, let's see. All right, here we go. Are you ready? Are you still texting?

[Alice]

No, I can text her later. I just was gonna forget. So if I start the note, then when I text her next, it'll pop up and I'll remember her.

[Brett]

I gotcha. Never.

[Alice]

Oh, my gosh. Come on. It's just as creepy now, even with that. No, no, no. That's the grossest thing ever.

[Brett]

Gross.

[Alice]

Oh, please. No, you've got to stop that. This is not cool. I did a whole entire episode. That's enough.

[Brett]

Okay.

[Alice]

Like dealing with my children.

[Brett]

Okay. Okay, I'm gonna get a word for you. Hold on one second. Who's in truth? Who's in truth?

[Alice]

Who's in truth?

[Brett]

Who's in truth?

[Alice]

I got it. I got it.

[Brett]

I know. Okay, let's see.

[Alice]

So we went to 2. Today's weather was like, it's perfect fall weather, but it was like, kind of dreary. So I think all the Halloween events got moved indoors, which made them much less fun.

[Brett]

I feel like I've called you Yar, like, five times. Why is it never.

[Alice]

What? What word?

[Brett]

Yar. Whatever. Let's see.

[Alice]

Excuse me. Well, see, what I'm saying is the weather has made me sleepy. So all the Halloween events went indoors, and it was not as fun indoors because the weather was beautiful outside. But then when you pack everyone inside for, like, Halloween events, it gets really hot.

[Brett]

That. It's true. It's true.

[Alice]

We aren't side by side. Not because this is a hierarchy, but because this is better for social media. But of course, Brett.

[Brett]

Everything's my phone now. Sorry.

[Alice]

There you go.

[Brett]

Gotta move with it because we're trying.

[Alice]

To go for the Brady Bunch.

[Brett]

Yeah, the Brady Bunch. Okay, you ready?

[Alice]

I'm ready. I'm ready. Who's intrigued? I got this. I got it.

[Brett]

Okay. Man, it's been 30 years. Good Lord.

[Alice]

I know. I. I remember when this happened. That makes me pretty old. Gosh, I remember seeing her picture and thinking she was like a grown up, but she was so young, you know, like.

[Brett]

I know.

[Alice]

Like, she actually is so young.

[Brett]

27 or whatever. Good work, Alice.

[Alice]

Great work. Oh, my goodness.

[Brett]

We don't have ads yet.

[Alice]

I know. I saw, but later. That's okay. It's only Sunday. Look at us getting ahead of the game.

[Brett]

I know. I don't know when we're gonna record again.

[Alice]

You're not traveling this week, are you?

[Brett]

Only for Halloween.

[Alice]

Oh, right. But that's at the end of the week. Okay. What is that voice? I don't want it. No, thank you.

[Brett]

What do you mean, Alice?

[Alice]

I'm intentionally not looking at the screen. I'm intentionally. Do you see my eyes going everywhere but there? You have got to take that off. You know what I don't like about it? You have the other hand now because. Do you have two? No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Brett]

Well, I could get the other hand if you want.

[Alice]

I don't. I don't like. I don't like it. I don't like it at all.

[Brett]

All right, guys, so this has been fun as always. We'll see y' all soon. Sometime this week we'll do a legal briefs. Should be fun.

[Alice]

Okay.

[Brett]

Bye, everybody.

[Alice]

Bye.

[Brett]

Love you. Mean it. All right, great.

[Alice]

Oh, yeah. We should stop recording.

[Brett]

We should.

[Alice]

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[Brett]

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[Alice]

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[Brett]

Okay, perfect. I'm gonna go live. Okay.

[Alice]

If I go live, I should really just get rid of the sound thing in the back. I don't think it does anything, and it causes me a lot of headaches.

[Brett]

Hold on. Okay. Weird. My sounding. Everything's okay, but the actual website's being weird.

[Alice]

Weird.

[Brett]

Let's see. Let's try it here. Ah, there we go. Just had to resize it. Hello, everyone.

[Alice]

Hello, everyone. We had soccer. Soccer game tonight.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Alice]

Soccer game nights.

[Brett]

That's exciting.

[Alice]

It's very exhausting.

[Brett]

Yeah. So I guess the trials starting next week. Is everybody excited?

[Alice]

I guess it is.

[Brett]

Finally got up to 16 jurors. They're trying to get to 18 some. My understanding.

[Alice]

That's right.

[Brett]

I need all the alternates they can get. I want to go to 20. You can't have. Can't have too many. Okay. I'm ready when you are. This is a outlineless episode. These are my favorites.

[Alice]

I know. Okay. Okay.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Alice]

Woo.

[Brett]

Woo.

[Alice]

Okay.

[Brett]

Okay. See, we don't have anything else to do tonight. It's sad.

[Alice]

So easy. We can do a third podcast or something.

[Brett]

Just think. We could just. We could just roll right into our third podcast.

[Alice]

I don't know. If we kept that one at 30 minutes, we'd be halfway done with our next podcast.

[Brett]

Well, we could have done. We could have done both podcasts. That's a good point.

[Alice]

That's the problem. We can't. Because we can't stop talking. That's just the problem. If we had three podcasts, we would just have, like, six hours of content released every week. I was talking to someone. You know, it's. It's very nice, But a lot of people in our lives, now that they see that we've taken that bold step of doing a podcast, they want advice on how to start podcasts. So we both speak to lots of people who want to start podcast. Podcast, and we're happy to talk to them, but they're always like, aren't you afraid people are gonna know too much about you? I'm like, man, that ship has sailed.

[Brett]

Five years ago, like, we, you know, initially, we kind of kept it close to the vest, you know, but then.

[Alice]

Reddit, like, doxed us, and I'm like, well, if you're gonna dox us, then let's just step into it.

[Brett]

We probably. If we. If we really wanted to be anonymous, using our real names and talking about our lives constantly wasn't the way to do it.

[Alice]

Right. What can we say? What can we say? We love it. We can't help it, because because this is why. This is why. All I know we've said this before, that, you know, we're never going to change our podcast just because some people don't like the chit chat or talk is talking about our kids or the theme song. Here's the thing. We do it for each other. Like, I would be talking to Brett about this whether or not the rest of you are here. And so we have fun doing it. This is just who we are. And if I had to talk to you by your pseudonym, I would just start laughing every time.

[Brett]

That would be ridiculous. And we would.

[Alice]

If I was like, hello.

[Brett]

Start calling me Grant and all sort of stuff.

[Alice]

I tried one time and it went terribly.

[Brett]

Yeah, Bourbon and cheese. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. And that's a. Yeah. I don't understand. I. I realize I'm just rambling out. I don't get the people. There are lots of podcasts I don't like. I just don't listen to them. You know, if I don't like the style, I just don't listen to it. But there's people who get so upset that they don't like the way we do it. Like, it's like a personal affront to them that we talk about our kids. It's like, I don't understand.

[Alice]

I'm like, why I'm. I mean, my kids annoy me sometimes, too. I get it. But you don't have to deal with it.

[Brett]

I mean, I guess the charitable thing is they really love our analysis and they just wish we wouldn't talk about our kids, and we just do our analysis.

[Alice]

I guess that can't be what it is.

[Brett]

But that's not gonna happen. So sorry.

[Alice]

It's not gonna be what happens. Because all my great life experiences come from just being beaten down by my kids.

[Brett]

And I'm sorry. I think I just. I feel like you can learn a lot about these cases by relating them to common events in people's lives.

[Alice]

I agree.

[Brett]

Because they're all about people. I mean, that's thing. Like, all these are all real people, and that's what.

[Alice]

And that's what we ask of jerks. The reason we have a jury system is that we know everyone has lived life experience that are very. That we are. We are not isolated beings. Right. We live in community, and we have similar points of experience as human beings to relate to. So that when you put 12 people who've never met or have never spent any time together in a room, you're not all speaking different languages. This Isn't like the staircase to heaven. Right? Like, we actually all speak a common language and it's called human lived experience. And that's why we talk about our human lived experience, because it is actually the basis and understanding of when we say reasonable person standard or the fact that we are, you know, a jury of your peers means something. It would mean nothing if we didn't have anything connecting us. Okay, so great.

[Brett]

It'd be great for the podcast for third podcast. Podcast three. I mean, this is like gold. Solid gold. Slice of solid gold. Anyways, okay, well, I guess we'll be back next week with another West Memphis three thing.

[Alice]

Britney is real, you guys.

[Brett]

Her name is not Britney.

[Alice]

I know. I'm just kidding. That was a joke. Come along with me, won't you? Okay. Are we stopping recording?

[Brett]

Oh, yeah, sure. We can do that.

[Alice]

Okay.

[Brett]

There you go. If y' all guys want to join Stream Streamyard and get a ten dollar discount.

[Alice]

I spent all morning at an ortho urgent care.

[Brett]

Oh, yeah, that sounds.

[Alice]

Not for me, for a child, but it's fine. Okay, I'm ready. This is a crazy.

[Brett]

I want to hear that story, but.

[Alice]

This is a crazy case.

[Brett]

Trying to rush. It is. It is a crazy case.

[Alice]

We're not, we're not rushed. Now that you help me move up 30 minutes.

[Brett]

Now we're like, you know, now we're like, good.

[Alice]

We can go at our own pace.

[Brett]

Our normal leisurely pace. I think this is gonna be two episodes.

[Alice]

Yeah, I mean, well, it's just two. There's a lot to digest there.

[Brett]

There's a lot. I have a complex theory, so.

[Alice]

You have a complex theory?

[Brett]

I have a complex theory.

[Alice]

I mean, it's a complex case.

[Brett]

It is. Okay, let's see. West Memphis three. Two episodes, right? We do this in two episodes. We should, we should get to threes because West Memphis three. Three. One of three.

[Alice]

But like Westminster.

[Brett]

Yeah. Maybe she's five.

[Alice]

Yeah.

[Brett]

Westman for three part west.

[Alice]

Part West. Three part three part one part three.

[Brett]

Yeah. Anyway. Okay, you ready?

[Alice]

Yep, I'm ready. Okay.

[Brett]

Make sure I've got the name of that podcast. Truth and Justice.

[Alice]

No, I think it's. I think it's actually our. Our best, our best advertiser. What's her name?

[Brett]

Ravia. Ravia.

[Alice]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Thank you. Now, did you, did you sign the card yet?

[Brett]

No, no, I haven't.

[Alice]

Are we spicy tonight?

[Brett]

All her support.

[Alice]

I mean, is this what happens when you have to spend all day at an urgent care?

[Brett]

They're finally going to drop some bombshell that they've been. They've been hiding for, like, three years, despite the fact Adnan said it's been fighting for.

[Alice]

You know what it is, right?

[Brett]

Freedom. For three years. You would think they would have put that out there.

[Alice]

You know what it is, right?

[Brett]

That he's guilty?

[Alice]

No, the J did it. Duh. That track practice started at 401.

[Brett]

Yeah. They're gonna say. They're gonna be like, don is innocent.

[Alice]

Don is.

[Brett]

Don is innocent. That's our.

[Alice]

Don is now our fourth co. Hoster. However many people there are on that. My kid.

[Brett]

Here we go.

[Alice]

My kid is great, you guys. My kid is great. His foot appeared to be broken and now he's running because that's how kids work, you guys. You spend a bunch of time and money at an urgent care, and they're fine.

[Brett]

Okay. All right, here we go.

[Alice]

I'm ready. I will. I will listen to it. I'm very excited.

[Brett]

Well, we can go live whenever you want to if you want to be early.

[Alice]

Oh, yeah, let's be early and freak people out. It's only two minutes.

[Brett]

I know. Be like, we've been waiting on you people. Let's see. How are you? I'm good. Finally, y' all showing up. Goodness.

[Alice]

Just kidding, guys. Yeah. We're early. We thought we'd do the opposite.

[Brett]

Yeah. Opposite day.

[Alice]

All right, I'm ready whenever you are. You have to have the.

[Brett]

Well, I'm gonna give everybody 55 seconds to get here while I'm waiting. I'm gonna get there. Let's see. Get a word. I called you radioactive last time, right?

[Alice]

You did. That was really good.

[Brett]

Something else. Let's see. What's another. What's another word for radioactive? Luminescent.

[Alice]

Oh, I like that. I was just gonna say something illuminated, but.

[Brett]

Let me make sure I haven't called you luminescent before.

[Alice]

I think it's gonna be okay.

[Brett]

I've called you luminous. Luminous. I don't know how to spell that.

[Alice]

If you can't spell it, then it means you haven't said it before.

[Brett]

It's fine. Okay. Luminescent. Okay, I've definitely done it, but I'm gonna do it again. So just ignore this. Ignore the fact that we're doing this again.

[Alice]

I love it.

[Brett]

I guess I call you radiant.

[Alice]

No, that's pretty good. There's a lot. There's a lot of prime for.

[Brett]

How do you spell radiance?

[Alice]

R A D I A N T.

[Brett]

I've called you a rare and radiant maiden.

[Alice]

When did you do that? Sounds weird.

[Brett]

When For Edgar Allan Poe.

[Alice]

Oh. Oh, that's right. All right, you pick. I don't care.

[Brett]

Who Angels named Lenore Nameless here forevermore.

[Alice]

It was so beautiful. People go to sleep to that.

[Brett]

Okay, what am I gonna call you? What's another word? Okay, let's see. Word for. Sorry. Let me think about this for a second. Glad we got here early, because I need a moment.

[Alice]

I was gonna say, if my baby starts crying, it's gonna be because we irradiated.

[Brett]

That's good. I don't think I've caught.

[Alice]

The radiated. Is really good.

[Brett]

I'm gonna go with the radiated. Okay, here we go. You ready?

[Alice]

Nice, Julie. Way to go. Okay, you can see exactly where the contamination is going or coming because of that radioactive footprint.

[Brett]

Am I still you? I'm still here. Sorry. I just said so many brilliant things. I thought it was time to rest.

[Alice]

I got lost. Okay, you. You answer all the questions about plutonium since you know so much about Chernobyl. I'll be back in. In literally a couple minutes, I think. Sorry. This is. You're going to want to stay for this theory because it's real conspiratorial, y'. All.

[Brett]

Yeah, she was prescribed. Prescribed the ques. We said that. God, Daphne, you need to listen. Goodness, no. There. She had needle marks. That's not in the autopsy. So presumably she did not see that using. Using Google AI. You could have just listened to what we said, and then you would know that she was prescribed the Quaaludes. That's okay. I don't know why you even listen to podcasts when Google AI will tell you everything you want to know. It's going to have Google AI record from me on. I wonder if I could have Google listen to all our episodes and then just record from here on out. I bet it could. Nobody could fake our voices. That'd be kind of awesome. I don't know how we do these lives. That'd be a little harder. I don't know if you guys could tell AI Brett and Alice from real Brett and Alice and be like. You know, I would, like, be like this, and I'd have three hands. It'd be a third hand coming out, and all my. All my fingers would be, like, together or something. And I'd move really slowly. You know, in all the AI videos, everything moves slowly, and they're always kind of like looking off in the distance. I don't know if you've noticed that. It's all very, like, creepy. AI always have multiple fingers, and, like I said, they move you know, you notice this, how slow they move. Maybe it's just me. I agree. Ooh, I like that. AI is pretty creepy, but it doesn't quite have the photographs as great at photographs. It's getting better photographs. You can still tell, but still some of the photographs these days, I mean, it's amazing. Sort of the leaps and bounds it makes every month how much more realistic. It's even getting better with hands. But videos are still like Uncanny Valley and just. I mean, I have yet to see a video that is super convincing. The only videos that are super convincing are videos that are actual people that are just manipulated. So all the interview videos with where you change what they're saying to something funny, those are pretty good because it's taking actual footage and actual words and just rearranging them. But when it has to create it from nothing very much Uncanny Valley, still it amazing. It amazes me they can't get the words right. Like, I was watching, you know, YouTube is full of AI videos and I was watching this video yesterday and like, just everything's. The words, if you look for words are always misspelled in these bizarre ways. It's not even English. It's not English lettering. You know, it looks like Cyrillic or something. So they're good. Football press conference. The one of Patrick Mahomes was hilarious from last night. Obviously not real. Very funny. That's a good one. Which is. Which is frightening because it would be so easy if you. They're obviously so over the top. You know it's fake, right? But just think how easy it would be to make a. A realistic video. That's just a little offensive, right? Like, you don't go over the top. You just make it just enough that it would be a big scandal for someone to say something like that. But it's totally believable. It'd be really easy to do. I mean, AI is terrifying. Like in the next. Like right now, we're in the good old days. In like three years, you're going to look back on this and just be like, what in the world? I can't even imagine what it's going to be like. I'm not looking forward to it. AI is the devil. Normally I'm all about technological advances, sort of make fun of people who don't like technology. But when it comes to AI, that's my limit. It's going to. It's going to be terrible. If we live through it, it's going to be terrible. This is a Belgian ale Saint, One of the monasteries. Very good. That was a bubbly in my bubbly, too. You really won't. Unless you. Unless you. Of course, then, you know, when they develop robots that can look like you and use AI, what are you gonna do then? It's like we're living in a dystopian future, but at least you'll always have us. Unless, of course, this whole episode has been AI the whole time. What better way to make you think it's real than to talk about AI Clever AI. How clever? It's probably AI. It's hanging behind me. This room is not real. Yeah, hopefully, like Tom Brady, my batteries don't run out. Can we just say Tom Brady, Great quarterback, terrible announcer, and I hate to be critical, but he's just so bad. He tries too hard, he talks too much. He's just not good. I don't know if he'll. If he'll ever get there. I mean, it was his first year doing it, I think, but, man, it's not good. Well, yeah, Joe likes him because he played at Michigan. He's biased. Like, you know, Tony Romo talks all the time. A lot of people don't like Tony Romo, but Tony Romo also makes these really incredible points. Like, half the time you're watching Tony Romo, and he'll be like, yeah, so this play is gonna go to number seven. You should watch him. It's gonna be a slant across the middle. You know, number eight's gonna. Gonna cut in front of the defender, so he'll be open, and they snap the ball and they see exactly what happens. And you're like, wow, that guy knows what he's talking about, right? And then he's like. And this is how you knew, because this guy had his hand on the ground. It's, you know, and this dude's in this stance, and that indicates it's going to be this. It's like, wow, this guy really knows what he's talking about, right? Or like, the Manning cast is the same thing. Like, those two guys are sitting there talking about football, and you're just learning so much about it. Tom Brady's like. And then Gronk, you know, he was always. He was always running wide open. It's like, oh, that's great, Tom. I would really like to know about the football game we're watching right now. That would be really great if you could tell us about what's happening here, but he doesn't do that. Look, Shaq and Charles Barkley, that whole basketball crew. Amazing, amazing. Used to be on tnt. I don't know what they're on now. Tbs, whatever. It was like, I could watch them all night. They are hilarious. Like, I can't remember if it was Shaq or Barkley who had the glasses. There's a. We're like. The glasses are, like, really thick and they go into five minutes or they talk about basketball and for five minutes they're talking about glasses. Just great. We need more of that. I agree. You're never going to watch the TikTok of Tom Brady. You're never going to be like, oh, I want to see the latest Tom Brady TikTok to see what he said in 30 seconds. It was so brilliant, funny, whatever. Never going to happen. You might watch it because it's like Awkward moments with Tom Brady. Top 10 awkward Tom Brady Moments while he was announcing. That's what you might see. But of course, I would rather listen to Tom Brady a thousand times. I would rather have Tom Brady following me around narrating my life than listen to Joe Buck. I despise Joe Buck. Joe Buck is a cancer on sports. And he's everywhere. Just disgusting. Whenever I see Joe Buck's gonna be calling something, half the time I don't even watch it if he's calling it. I don't even watch it now. If I do watch it, you know, I mute it. I just can't stand him. He is so. I mean, presumably there's someone out there who likes Joe Buck, because otherwise, why do we have to keep watching him? Like, I mean, I get it. His dad was good. That's no reason for him to be. I mean, I wouldn't watch him so terrible. He just ruined sports. And he's one of those guys who thinks it's all about him. Like, Joe Buck thinks the reason you watch sports is so that something interesting will happen and you'll get to hear Joe Buck describe it, right? Like, great announcers. Something great announcers do is when something amazing happens, they shut up and you just see the thing happening and you hear the crowd and you see the celebration of the players and you don't hear the announcers. Well, that's never going to happen with Joe Buck because Joe Buck thinks there is no moment in sports that can't be better. With Joe Buck talking, which is actually false. If Joe Buck just shut up, if he didn't say a word the whole game, it could be like 56 to nothing. And it would be better because at least Joe Buck isn't talking. Talking. I like Troy Aikman. He's fine. I think my favorite is I guess it's Jim Nance and Tony Romo. I think Jim Nance and Tony Romo, which they're. Like I said, there are people who don't like Tony Romo, and it's fine. But my personal favorite is those two. I like listening to those two. Tom Brady, I just feel like he's trying too hard. I think that's the problem. And he may grow into it. That's possible, but he's just trying too hard. Like, he wants to be funny, he wants to be clever. You know, he really wants people to like him. He really wants people to think, oh, Tom Brady, you're so good at announcing. But Terry Bradshaw, and I'll say this, too, like, the pregame NFL shows used to be great, but I feel like a lot of the guys who were great are getting a little old. Terry Bradshaw is one of those people. What's his name? Cowboys coach Jimmy Johnson. You know, they need to hang it up. Like, Howie. He's still good. And. But we need some. We need some new young blood to come in. I feel like college football has done a better job of that, because if you watch the big noon kickoff guys on, I guess that's Fox, they're all young, and they're really good. And then game day, you know, was getting a little long in the tooth, and you were kind of corso. But then they added Nick Saban. He's great. And then he also, obviously. Well, I guess whoever. I can't remember who all is on that one now. The one guy. There's the one guy I don't like, Pat McAfee, which everybody likes. I'm not a big fan of his antics, but actually I like him better now that Saban's there, because I kind of feel like they do a really good job playing off each other, but the NFL, they need to. They need to refresh. The NFL pregame guys need to refresh. And Gronk's great. Look, Daphne, everybody knows Nick Saban. Nick Saban is an announcer on espn, maybe better than he was as a coach. Like, he's great. He's fantastic. Even people who don't like Nick Saban have to admit that he is really good. He has been sort of a revelation. And coaches tend to be that. Like, I feel like Belichick missed an opportunity going to coach North Carolina, which is weird because I feel like Belichick in a setting. What I would have loved to have seen is, like, the Manning cast, because those two guys are great. If you had Saban and Belichick Doing the same thing for games, that would be awesome. I mean, just listening to them talk about it and how the plays are developing and everything. Like I'm a nerd when it comes to football. I like that kind of stuff. Right. I really enjoy. Because football is really complicated, impossible to understand unless you really know what you're talking about. So hearing them describe sort of, you know, the way the coverages are set up and how the quarterback is seeing the coverage and he knows it's this. And so therefore he knows the safety is going to be up here and the quarterback's going to be over here, which means there's going to be a hole in the zone over here. And so that's why he does this thing and that's why he points at this guy. And so the whole time it's always going to go to that guy. But this cornerback recognized that and so he knew to go to that spot and that's how he got the interception. I mean, that's just fascinating. I love that stuff. And that's what's great about Manning. The Mannings do a really good job with that. I think Belichick and Saban would do a good job with that too. But Saban is on ESPN and Belichick's coaching at North Carolina, which is weird. So we missed that opportunity. I'm trying to think of sort of just entertaining guys who are just entertaining to listen to. I always like RG3, but they fired him, so he's out. Because you always have the sort of professional announcer and then the former football player. That's the way it always goes. Right? So I saw he was going to be lieutenant Governor. I didn't realize there was a maybe about it. I thought it was him. I've never heard Trestle speak. I feel like he was always very silent when he was the coach at Ohio State. So I don't know what he. I don't even know what he sounds like. You know, those Big Ten coaches, I feel like, are very reserved. It's like sort of a, you know, they just don't talk much. I've never heard Ryan Day speak. I'm sure Ryan Day has spoke before, but I never heard him speak. Harbaugh was a little different. He always ran his mouth off.

[Alice]

I'm so sorry.

[Brett]

No, it's been a wide ranging conversation here while you were gone.

[Alice]

I'm sorry. When you guys hear Brett's genius theory, you're gonna have a conspiracy that Alice just didn't want you all to hear his brilliant theory. Okay, I'M really sorry. Can I jump in, or are you guys in the middle of something?

[Brett]

You were talking about Joe Buck and how terrible he is.

[Alice]

Sounds like a great conversation.

[Brett]

It was. It was great.

[Alice]

I should have also said, and there's the baby.

[Brett]

There's the baby. There's a baby.

[Alice]

Let me go get that poor thing. Let me go get.

[Brett]

Get poor thing. Okay, guys, Enjoyed it. I'll see y' all later.

[Alice]

Let me stop recording.

[Julia]

Bye.

[Brett]

Oh, man.

[Alice]

It is Brett that's crying. He needed to dry his tears before we could go live. Look, if you need a sweatshirt, this is one of my favorites. Yeah.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Alice]

For those of you. Cassie, it's a. A prosecutor's. I think I have food stuck on it, so. Might be night cheese.

[Brett]

I can't remember when I called you last night what I call you.

[Alice]

I literally have no idea. I thought about that. I was like, did he forget to call me something?

[Brett]

No, I called you something, but I can't remember.

[Alice]

I don't know.

[Brett]

Something related to the fact that you had been gone for a while. But I have a new one.

[Alice]

I told you I'd forget everything within the hour. I made good on break promise.

[Brett]

I have a new one, so it's gonna.

[Alice]

So tomorrow, I think I'll see you there. We're gonna have breakfast with Mrs. Claus.

[Brett]

Oh, yeah. Yeah, we're going to that.

[Alice]

It was like I had to threaten taking that away so many times tonight with.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Alice]

My Squanto, because he would not get in bed.

[Brett]

Okay, you ready?

[Alice]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay, let's do this.

[Brett]

All right.

[Alice]

Now, is it working? Okay.

[Brett]

Yes.

[Alice]

Hold on.

[Brett]

It's gotta rescan.

[Alice]

You know.

[Brett]

Jason, has it been. Has the sound been good since we moved to the new. The new machines?

[Alice]

What do you think?

[Brett]

What? Are you talking to me?

[Alice]

Oh, I was talking to Jason. What do you think?

[Brett]

No. Yeah, I was curious what he thought.

[Alice]

Okay, so this is a story that you. You may have seen on my stories, but Mrs. Brett wanted me to tell you. Okay. So as you may know, my. My oldest, number one, he is in love with all sea creatures. We've talked about this. No ocean talk. No ocean talk. Right. So this kid loves ocean animals. Truly loves ocean animals. And so he draws all the time. He's very good at drawing. I'm terrible at drawing. Don't know where this amazing talent comes from. So he's like, you know, freehanding all these different sea animals, and he's like, look at this octopus that I drew. And I looked at it, and I was like, that's a really good octopus. Like, how did you learn how to draw an octopus? He goes, I look at pictures of cephalopods all the time. And then he went back to drawing. I was like, nobody else is here to laugh with me. Not a single person.

[Brett]

He loves cephalopods.

[Alice]

He is the most unintentionally funny person I know, whereas Squanto is the most intentionally funny person I know.

[Brett]

I need to get him a. A copy of the Call of Cthulhu for young readers.

[Alice]

There you go.

[Brett]

That's one of my. My favorite.

[Alice]

Okay.

[Brett]

Books to buy children.

[Alice]

Okay, I don't understand this. How do I get it?

[Brett]

Have you messed something up? Are you still trying to get pages to work?

[Alice]

If you want to just copy and paste it, it's like, I can do.

[Brett]

That if you prefer me to do that.

[Alice]

Yeah, I think I have to restart in order to.

[Brett]

Okay, I'll just copy and paste command. C command. Look at me. Look at me.

[Alice]

Look at you learning how to use a map.

[Brett]

I'm so fond, sir.

[Alice]

All right, let's get started with a template.

[Brett]

All right, I don't want a template.

[Alice]

I just want you to open.

[Brett]

So I hope you guys enjoyed the premium episode yesterday with us expressing our thoughts on the O.J. case. I know that's been a popular request, and we wanted to make sure that those of you in the high dollar tiers, you know, well, we want to.

[Alice]

Make people know that we really only judge our friendship and our relationship based on money, money, money.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Alice]

Including you, Brett. I mean, I only talk to you for a fee.

[Brett]

It's true.

[Alice]

I have a speaker's fee. I have a. Specifically, a Brett.

[Brett]

Speaker's fee really cuts into my kids. Child fun. Every time we record an episode.

[Alice]

I mean, does it cut into it, or is it an investment in, you know, the progress we will make for our premium listeners.

[Brett]

That's true. You know, premium listeners are growing.

[Alice]

Premium listeners are growing. You know, it's amazing how many schlumpy people just opt for the lowest amount, not knowing that the premiums where it's at.

[Brett]

And don't forget, we're doing JFK tomorrow, so. Real killer.

[Alice]

Well, but before that, the After Dark is the Epstein files.

[Brett]

Good point. We're gonna release them on all of.

[Alice]

Them, including the part where Brett's name is in it. Mmm. Yeah. Didn't see that coming.

[Brett]

That's gonna be the one redacted thing.

[Alice]

Well, but. But except to be completely fair, it's Brent, so it might not be.

[Brett]

You can't trust these Brents.

[Alice]

It might not be.

[Brett]

You can't trust Brent's.

[Alice]

Yeah, it's true. But I did listen to all of them, you know, because this is actually where I cut my teeth as a FOIA litigator for the government were the Epstein files, in addition to like, you know, all the other files as well. So. So when I looked at it again and they were like, we haven't seen the files. I was like, totally. I have them. Duh.

[Brett]

Copy of everything.

[Alice]

Duh.

[Brett]

You never know when you're gonna need it.

[Alice]

You never. You never know when you're gonna. You know, because I'm tapped out with these speaker fees, but boy. Oh. So we're gonna be giving out press passes. We're giving out press passes for the Epstein files release tomorrow.

[Brett]

But only for the 10,000.

[Alice]

Correct. Premium. It's the premium plus level. And it's gonna be at 1am you have to figure out the time zone. So it's up to you. But you know, if you're in the premium zone, do we really even have to explain it?

[Brett]

That's a good point. Yeah.

[Alice]

Really.

[Brett]

You're also attending the live events, so.

[Alice]

Well, well, we. We have the special guests, the people who are in the files. Like they come out of the files and have an interview with us.

[Brett]

Some high ranking people there.

[Alice]

A lot of dead people.

[Brett]

Yeah. Dead. Yeah, sure. Sure they are.

[Alice]

Brett. They're dead.

[Brett]

Dead. Dead.

[Alice]

Dead.

[Brett]

Yes, of course. So having said that, do you want to talk about something else?

[Alice]

Oh, gosh. I guess we should do our boring episode.

[Brett]

I gotta do the boring episode for everybody else now.

[Alice]

I don't even have a. A regular word for you, you know, my regular co host.

[Brett]

I guess I have faith in your ability.

[Alice]

I don't know. We're kind of all over the place here. Okay. I really don't know what I'm gonna say. Okay.

[Brett]

Appealing. I'm appealing. Oh.

[Alice]

There. I'm pretty sure I've used that before. You probably have, but, you know, it's okay.

[Brett]

And now if we update that training, it'll be that, you know, she was not guilty. And we tell officers, this is what can happen to your case where in this case, a fellow officer has died. The evidence is overwhelming, but because of what you did, he dropped off.

[Alice]

He got so excited. He got so excited about it. But until next time, I'm Alice.

[Brett]

And I'm Brett. What you got to say? Your name?

[Alice]

Aaron. And this is the prosecutor's legal briefs. Let's do the BS guys.

[Brett]

Yeah. Drive to it. Right to it.

[Alice]

Thank you. Aaron, that was awesome. Really appreciate it.

[Brett]

All right, so in the chat, thank you guys for joining us. Hope you enjoyed that. I'm gonna have to end the stream so we can upload our things, but we will see y' all staying. Love you. You mean it. All right, Record.

[Alice]

All right.

[Brett]

All right, well, I'm gonna go live. Do you know what we're doing? Right?

[Alice]

So sure.

[Brett]

Okay, here we go. Doing it live. Doing it.

[Alice]

I'm wearing this. I'm wearing a shirt.

[Brett]

You are wearing a shirt. That's good. It's important to confirm.

[Alice]

It's just really hot. My hair has like. Like, it's humid, so my hair is kind of grown.

[Brett]

That doesn't happen to me. I don't have to worry about that.

[Alice]

It doesn't happen anyway. Oh, there we go.

[Brett]

There you go. She does have a shirt on, everybody.

[Alice]

I have a shirt on. I have a shirt on. It's just still hot here, so. And the reason I'm a little late is when you have to wrestle a couple alligators couple times, four alligators to bed. You have to dress for the occasion, which is to say it's an athletic event.

[Brett]

Yeah. It was my oldest daughter's birthday today.

[Alice]

It was. Happy birthday.

[Brett]

Yeah, she had a good one.

[Alice]

Good. Did she? Did they have, like, a little celebration at school?

[Brett]

They did. She had to wear her birthday crown.

[Alice]

Oh, that's cute.

[Brett]

It was very cute.

[Alice]

Yeah, that is very, very fun.

[Brett]

She's very cute.

[Alice]

And then we get to celebrate with you guys this weekend.

[Brett]

Party. Have a party. Party. Yeah. So awesome. Yeah, me too. I gotta get.

[Alice]

Need, like, so yesterday.

[Brett]

We need the math.

[Alice]

We'll tell you. We'll tell you more about this when we're able to tell you about it. But we were doing something yesterday that was very fun, podcast related, and we were in an Uber, and it may have been the, like, friendliest, most talkative Uber driver, but he kept, like, asking questions, but he didn't realize it, but the questions were very good to elicit exactly what we were doing, but we couldn't talk about what we were doing. Slash, I don't really want to tell an Uber driver too much, you know, like, yeah, he might kidnap me or something, you know, and so he was, like, asking the exact right questions, but he didn't know it. He'd be like, oh, if you play your cards right, you could be, you know, like, people could listen to your show. He said no. Didn't he say this? He goes, you guys should do a show together.

[Brett]

Yeah, there should be an option on Uber for like no talking. Yeah, Like, I don't.

[Alice]

Well, it was kind of funny because he knew it himself. He himself was.

[Brett]

He did.

[Alice]

Haha. You have the world's top most talk Uber driver. And I was.

[Brett]

But you're not taking steps because of it.

[Alice]

And also, it was like after we'd had probably like a 19 hour long day. And so neither of us. Brett just completely.

[Brett]

He did not ignore the guy.

[Alice]

I was gonna say Brett does not have any compunction to like respond, but I was so tired. How'd you respond to him? But I tried to give like one word answers and he didn't get the. The memo. You know, he'd be like, oh, so do you come here off em? Like, no.

[Brett]

No, never.

[Alice]

No. Oh. Anyways, that was just fun because we haven't debriefed about that convo. I was so tired. I was like, I can't form words right now.

[Brett]

Yeah, I still want to talk to this guy. But it's okay.

[Alice]

He was very nice. I was just so tired.

[Brett]

I was very happy to get to the airport and out of the Uber.

[Alice]

I know. And then we proceeded to not talk for the next like three hours because we were so talked out.

[Brett]

Yeah, I know. Seriously.

[Alice]

Anyways, I thought you guys would enjoy that, the difference in personalities. Brett was like, I'm not, I'm shocked. I respond to you. And I was like, someone's asking me a question.

[Brett]

Normally I would talk back, but I was just, I was just like, I'm not in the mood to talk to you right now.

[Alice]

It was an intense day. It was a very intense day for many reasons.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Alice]

Well, we are here.

[Brett]

We are here to talk. We are gonna talk.

[Alice]

What we do, because that's what we do. We talk.

[Brett]

Okay.

[Alice]

Luigi, Luigi, Luigi.

[Brett]

All right, all right. Are you familiar with sort of what's been going on?

[Alice]

Yeah, yeah, generally.

[Brett]

Okay, all right, I'm gonna go ahead and go live.

[Alice]

Okay. The first. As soon as he said his name was something else, that he was homeless, they had. It was clear he was evading. They could, you know, this is ridiculous.

[Brett]

That whole thing's ridiculous.

[Alice]

This whole thing is ridiculous. But the fact that they knew it was him. You know what I mean?

[Brett]

Oh, yeah, yeah. The problem with cause thing is there's no issue there.

[Alice]

It's fine, it's fine.

[Brett]

Hello.

[Alice]

Hello, Hello, Hello. Okay, I have to think of a. I'm not, I'm not going to be offensive. I'm not going to use that descriptor.

[Brett]

Now. I want to know. That's okay. Whatever, Porky.

[Alice]

I'll do it for the After Dark. What I was going to call you, but it's not offensive to you. It would be cultural. It would be insensitive to this case. Okay. There's so many ways to go with that too. Okay, Ready? Start.

[Brett]

Sure.

[Alice]

I'm not gonna do the offensive one. You'll have to stay for the After Dark to know what that's about.

[Brett]

Sophie's Johnny on the spot. Okay, let's see. All right. See, when Alice isn't here, we. We start relatively on time. I just want to point that out for everybody who's popping into the. To the video. But anyway. All right, you ready to start? Okay, let's do it. All right. Thank you so much. Thanks to everybody who joined. I hope you enjoyed that. You guys need to jump on that. That road trip. Somebody wants to know which section of the museum is your favorite. I assume it's the. The Saloon. Because I mean, mean, what else would they. But maybe you have a different take on that. It's hard to not like the Saloon. Like the Saloon.

[Alice]

It.

[Brett]

It is. But we have that. We also have the chicken suit from the. The operation flagship sting in D.C. in the 80s. Oh, with the football tickets. Yes, we. We. We've got that in there. Which. It's a big chicken suit head. So let's not love it. You don't know this. The Marshalls put together a sting and sent out notices to all these fugitives that they'd won tickets to the football game at the time, the Redskins, now the Commanders game. And all these people showed up. It's on. You can see the video of it on YouTube. And all these guys show up and I'll get arrested. Next year is the. What are we at 95, like 50 years anniversary.

[Julia]

So we're actually going to have a.

[Brett]

There's gonna be an article in Sports Illustrated next month for the anniversary. That's awesome. All right, guys, in the comments, I gotta end the stream so we can upload this recording, but thank y' all for joining us.

[Alice]

This is a legal briefs, right?

[Brett]

Yes.

[Alice]

Is it Kowalski?

[Brett]

Yes.

[Alice]

Someone. Someone who recently started listening to our podcast, but as a friend texted me was like, just by the way, this is how you pronounce this word. And I, I said, oh friend, get ready. Oh friend. Let me just tell you, we have a third co host and her name is Mispronunciation.

[Brett]

I love it when everybody's like, just so you know, the name of this random place in my state is completely wrong.

[Alice]

Do you even call Yourself, Podcasters. I'm like, I do my best.

[Brett]

Sorry, you don't know how to pronounce words.

[Alice]

I didn't go to pronunciation school.

[Brett]

I didn't get a pronunciation school.

[Alice]

I really didn't. I'm just kidding. But it was just so funny because I was like, you just buckle up.

[Brett]

I feel like I got that one now. But at first, when we did Elise Lam, and we had all the things.

[Alice]

Wrong, all the drugs were wrong.

[Brett]

Sarah Quail was, like, the only one that. All the rest of them.

[Alice]

I'm not really good at it, though, because we had a crazy case, like, a real life case in my day job that involved a lot of subscription medication. And I was just coming in, saying them left and right, and they were like, how do you know these drug drugs? And I was like, there you go. A lot of autopsy reports. There we go. It literally just popped up and was like, no, thank you.

[Brett]

It's really rather not. I don't.

[Alice]

I'd rather not.

[Brett]

He said, I don't blame you at all.

[Alice]

All right.

[Brett]

You're the best.

[Alice]

You're the best. Do you have a good day? What's it like being into November on furlough still?

[Brett]

That's fine. I mean, I just went to work, like, any other day. It's all the same. You still don't get paid for it.

[Alice]

You don't have to go every day, do you?

[Brett]

I go three days a week.

[Alice]

Okay. Is that required or just because it's. You're so. You're keeping on top of it.

[Brett]

I mean, what's required?

[Alice]

That's fair.

[Brett]

You're not paying me, so is anything really required?

[Alice]

That's fair. That's fair.

[Brett]

I want to say to the 58 of you who are here, I literally sent this out five minutes ago.

[Alice]

Yeah, y' all are amazing.

[Brett]

Amazing.

[Alice]

And especially with daylight savings. Like, I'm real tired because it's like, I know an hour later, normally my kids are not. In fact, I hear one stomping upstairs. But you know what? It is. It is what it is.

[Brett]

It is what it is.

[Alice]

All right?

[Brett]

We can just go back and forth. I didn't. I didn't put our names.

[Alice]

It doesn't matter. Okay.

[Brett]

Okay, I'll start. You can start whatever you want to.

[Alice]

I was. I was going to introduce us.

[Brett]

Sounds perfect.

[Alice]

Okay. That's so sad. You know what? Why can't people just divorce? Get a divorce, Just divorce. Why do you gotta go kill people?

[Brett]

Maybe they don't believe in divorce. I think it's a sin.

[Alice]

I'm confused. Why was she able to be charged again? Did they dismiss without prejudice the first time?

[Brett]

They did, yeah.

[Alice]

There you go.

[Brett]

Yeah, Good.

[Alice]

Good for them. Prosecutors.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Alice]

What, did he not do it?

[Brett]

Well, I mean, she got disbarred after that, so.

[Alice]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, she didn't go about it the. Right. I meant the fact that they were able to then bring the charges again.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Alice]

Not. Yeah, that was pretty shady.

[Brett]

All right, I'm gonna go live. Here we go.

[Alice]

Okay. I wonder how you face your kids.

[Brett]

They believe him. They're with him.

[Alice]

Man, that. That's like more of a knife in the chest. Yeah, I gave birth.

[Brett]

I mean, they were before. I don't know if they still.

[Alice]

I know, I know.

[Brett]

Let's see.

[Alice]

Anyways, hold on. Let me check my levels real quick. I think the levels are good.

[Brett]

Check your levels. Check those levels.

[Alice]

Check those levels. So we. The reason it was a little chaotic tonight is it was like a back to school social, like a party at the preschool. And we arrive, and of course, once you tell your kids there's a party, you can't not go. So I knew it was gonna storm, but I need to show them that it's storming. I can't just say it's gonna storm. We're not gonna go. So we drove there, and as we pulled up, it just, like, unleashed. I don't know if it rained where you are. It was just like a torrential downpour with, like, lightning and everything. And so I let them run in the rain into the party. And when we probably turned around and ran back, as I said to Mr. Alice was like, why are we doing this? I was like, sometimes times for riot control, you need them to come to your conclusion on their own.

[Brett]

There you go.

[Alice]

101. Riot control.

[Brett]

Riot control.

[Alice]

Okay, I'm ready. This one. This one's kind of. This one gets me fired up.

[Brett]

Good. That's like, when you're fired up. Here we go. By the way, I don't know if you did an update or something, but your computer's doing that. Cool. Like, zooming in, and I don't know.

[Alice]

How to stop it. How did you stop yours?

[Brett]

I don't know. Do it on streamyard. But it's very dramatic.

[Alice]

I see it as well. And I'm trying to, like, while you talk, I'll try to stop it because it's making me a little nauseous. I'm not gonna lie.

[Brett]

That's funny. Okay, hold on. My dog's barking. Okay, now there he goes again. You can Hear him, right?

[Alice]

I can't hear him.

[Brett]

Yeah, he's a loud dog.

[Alice]

It's okay. You know what? He does his job right. That's what a dog's for. If you couldn't hear them, what's the purpose?

[Brett]

That's a good point. I wonder what he's barking at.

[Alice]

Mailman.

[Brett]

It's awfully late for the mailman. I mean, another.

[Alice]

Maybe that's good that he's barking, then.

[Brett]

It's fine. People don't care. They love dogs.

[Alice]

They do love dogs.

[Brett]

Okay. Awesome. Hey, man. Alice.

[Alice]

Great. I had to travel early.

[Brett]

How was your travel?

[Alice]

It was good. I mean, like, someone was asking me, oh, did your meetings go well for work? And I was like, there are a few meetings that are worth being away from my kids right now. You know, that's just where I am. Like, it's. It's like, the meetings are great. It's fine. But, like, it is such a difference hanging out with people who don't have. Like, in another time in my life, I love traveling. Yes. I'll be at a restaurant by myself. Absolutely. Like, walk around the city late at night and just, like, go sightsee. Sure. Whereas this time, I'm like, you know, jump on a plane, get back home, all that sort of thing, because I just can't enjoy it. So I look forward to the time when I can, like, enjoy traveling again, but now's not the time.

[Brett]

Yeah. You know, it's kind of like when we did that, the Hulu documentary, and they were like, we want to fly you out to. I don't remember if it was Los Angeles.

[Alice]

I don't even know one of the coasts.

[Brett]

It was New York. Yeah. And it was like, oh, that'd be great.

[Alice]

No, thanks.

[Brett]

Never, like, no, thanks. Okay, guys, before we leave. So, you know, we've been talking about this prosecutors after dark thing. Yeah. And we're gonna start doing that soon. But I wanted to share with you guys. We got some new.

[Alice]

Cool.

[Brett]

We got some new theme music that a friend of ours. So we contacted the guy who did our music for both the prosecutors and the prosecutors legal briefs, and he was unavailable. I guess he never responded. Hopefully he's healthy and still recording music out there. And I was like, who are we going to talk to? Who can. Who can write music for us and loves true crime for a podcast and loves true crime. Like, who would be able to do that? And it was a mystery. And then we were like, how about the captain?

[Alice]

Do you feel. Are you so giddy? This is so full.

[Brett]

That is so cool.

[Alice]

The captain drew you into true crime and is now part of one of your podcasts.

[Brett]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Alice]

He's really part of your journey.

[Brett]

I love how he, like, incorporated the thing. Those little Roll Tide in there. It's, like, great. I love it. Yeah, he's got the fade out, so we can kind of, like, you know, start talking over the entities.

[Alice]

So, like, smooth.

[Brett]

I know. So smooth.

[Alice]

Three bourbons in.

[Brett]

I feel like it's like. Yeah, it reminds me of the True Detective music from the first season a little bit.

[Alice]

It's like, hazy, smoky, smoky bar.

[Brett]

It's like he took our. He took our music and kind of made it into a waltz. But, like, you're like, yeah, like this. The. The hazy smoke.

[Alice]

This is after we've gone to trial and we're sitting at the bar recapping a really tough case. Right, Exactly. That's what it reminds me of. We just finished a Hard Day, and we're sitting at the bar.

[Brett]

Yeah, that's great. Love it. Anyways, okay, well, at some point, we got to record another one of those.

[Alice]

Are we always.

[Brett]

Yeah, we actually want to do one. I want to, like, actually talk to you about, not just in, like, a random. You know.

[Alice]

Like.

[Brett]

We do now.

[Alice]

You know that.

[Brett]

Anyway, we've just been talking so much this week.

[Alice]

Oh, wait, guys, guys. I finally got my act together. For those of you. What? For those of you coming to CrimeCon, guess what? There are the shirts that you can buy online. You should get them. I have them. I love them. They're very soft. We also have only available in person CrimeCon shirts for sale. They're not only for Crime Con, they're prosecutor shirts. But I'm very excited because we've been talking about doing this for five years, and we finally did it.

[Brett]

We finally did it. We'll sign it for you if you want us to.

[Alice]

We didn't even. I didn't even buy that many shirts because I didn't know if anyone wanted to buy shirts. So help me not have to carry them home from Denver and buy them from me, please.

[Brett]

Only $20? Yeah, it's pretty cheap, frankly.

[Alice]

Cheaper than on the website. That. That was what I was going for. Yeah, the website's a little bit. Sorry, guys. We don't really see any of that at all.

[Brett]

Just helping support that business.

[Alice]

I know, right? I'm like, you guys must be making a killing.

[Brett]

All right, well, y' all are awesome. We're doing an interview tomorrow, which you should be able to come to.

[Alice]

I wouldn't.

[Brett]

Weird.

[Alice]

Why not?

[Brett]

I would think, you know, I emailed him and asked. I never responded. I think I'm just gonna send it.

[Alice]

Out because frankly, I should send it out because she's done interviews. Exactly. Live with us. It's why.

[Brett]

It's these, these media people.

[Alice]

The, like, the media people are they really just.

[Brett]

Anytime somebody gets a publicist, it's like, ugh. Oh, they're so annoying. So annoying. It's like I've. It's like was. We were talking about this one on the murder sheet interview. Like, we just got. We just ignored them. We were like, we're not going to ignore them.

[Alice]

Sam. We're like, we're not gonna ignore them.

[Brett]

They're gonna talk to you about.

[Alice]

We would have never scheduled that interview.

[Brett]

You.

[Alice]

It would have been like, 8 o' clock is too. Too late.

[Brett]

Yeah. Anyway. Okay, we'll send it out to you later. I'm going to go ahead and end the stream. Have a good night, Alice. Don't forget to stop recording.

[Alice]

Yep, forgot. Sam. Pluto TV has thousands of free movies and TV shows. This is the mindset.

[Brett]

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[Alice]

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[Brett]

You're welcome.