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All right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right. Welcome everybody. This episode. Episode. Not episode. Episode. The Prosecutors After Dark, World Tide. Alice.
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I will do that every time. Actually. Can I tell you, I like your Alabama shirt. Can I tell you something? So we were dropping off, we're doing carpool and everyone out around here basically is a Bama fan. And we dropped off my sons.
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Second.
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Grade friend, second grade friend. And they had this hold on, my sound seems really loud. And they had of course a Roll Tide flag outside. And so my oldest is sweet, sweet child. He lives here. I don't know how he's like, you know, gone past him for the last eight years. He was like, what is a Roll Tide? And I was like, you don't have to worry about it.
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Yeah, well, for now he might have.
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To worry about it.
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He might want to say that song, our theme song. If we've had one of these episodes, we didn't have an opportunity to tell you this. The captain from True Crime Garage was kind enough to do that for us. So shout out to him. It's awesome. It's got this. I love how it's like a combination of our stuff and like some true detective thing going on. Somebody said it has like a kill Bill flavor. Just fantastic. Dudes really talented. Both as a true crime commentator, but also obviously, as a musician. So we're very happy to have that.
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Thank you, Captain.
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Thank you. Captain. Knows we love him. We love him. He's a prickly. He's like a prickly pear, right?
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Prickly on the outside, but he's so sweet on the inside. So sweet.
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Nice on the inside.
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Yeah.
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He does a terrible impression of my voice, but that's okay. I will. I will put that aside. So.
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I thought it was spot on. I heard it, and I was like.
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Brett, so you know the great thing about After Darkness? We don't talk about true crime.
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We don't talk about really anything.
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But I have. I have been. Alice. I have been storing up so much homie. What is all I want to talk about Taylor Swift. So I've been wanting to talk about Taylor Swift for, like, weeks, and I haven't been saying anything on the main show because I want to talk about it with you on here. I have, like, let's talk at least three things to talk about with Taylor Swift. Okay. I mean, there are at least three, but I'm always. I've always been told you should always make three points. So I got three points. I want to make three points. Number one, congratulations to Taylor Swift. She's getting married. I'm very happy to hear that.
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I assume we're invited.
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I assume as her biggest supporters, biggest.
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Fans ever that were invited multiple episodes. I think it's coming via Instagram. That is her method of communication. So I think she's gonna Instagram invite us.
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Well, you know, she likes to drop these, like, hints and. And Easter eggs in her song. So I assume our invitation will be, like, embedded in the lyrics from her new album, which is another point I want to talk about. But. So we should just show up at the wedding and be like, hey, track five, when they say X, Y, and Z, that's clear as or no body, no says.
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And the prosecutors. I wish they were here. We're like, we're here. We show girl that Florida anyways, so.
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I'm happy for her as long as it doesn't ruin her music. I'm assuming this is gonna, like, she's gonna transition into, like, not breakup music. Or if it collapses, even better. Great album.
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But here's the beauty. So the beauty of, like, the evermore whatnot. They weren't breakup tracks. And so she created these worlds of storytelling with Romeo and Juliet. That was a great Romeo. Exactly. And so she. She doesn't have to, you know, quash. There's so much. There's, you know, some of the greatest music and art actually comes from like pure joy.
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There you go.
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Right?
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Like the Ode to Joy.
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Like the fact. The Ode to Joy.
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So I'm happy for her.
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Okay, that's two point.
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Ring was a little gaudy, I thought. I mean, come on, do you really need like Hope diamond on your finger?
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A minor cut? Yes, yes, that's absolutely. If you can't see it from space, it's not worthy of our girl Taylor. Let's be honest. Let's be honest. So, so. Oh, you have a third point you made.
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No, no, no. Well, second point. I think I've already made second point. But I wanted the new album. Are you excited about the new album?
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Of course. I mean, I drank that water a little fast. I'm so excited. I'm so excited. Well, here's the thing. She said it was only, what, 12 tracks? There's a 13th track. Of course.
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Of course there is. Because 13th.
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Because she kept being like, it's only 12, it's 12. It's my 12th album and there's 12. There's going to be a 13th and I'm so excited. Maybe the 13th is our invitation.
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Maybe it is.
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And let me say, you have to find it, you know, so the Dead.
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Poet Society or whatever it's called, I didn't love that album. There were some great songs on the album, but I didn't love it because frankly, I thought it was a little too much. There were way too many tracks. And you need an editor. I always say this about Stephen King. Stephen King needs an editor, right? He got too big for his britches and now like, his books are way too long. And I felt like that was too much. So I'm glad that we're getting back to like a tight 13 track album.
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And you know, her collaborators here, the whole. This is just gonna be banger after banger. These are all gonna be like the quality and not. Not the quality. The dance themes of, you know, Shake It Off. So it's the same collaboration.
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I love 1989. It was so good.
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It was phenomenal. I mean, in terms of like the banging.
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I mean, folklore was good too, but.
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All of her music is great. But we're in a happy phase. And let's be honest, this world right now, we could use some happy and having some dance, you know, anthems to roll into the winter. I'm here for it. Because dance anthems don't have to just be for the summer.
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I know some of you out there don't like Taylor Swift. And I don't know what's wrong with you, to be frank, but Taylor Swift, I think is when people look back on music from our period, she is, she is a titan of this period. And I really think, you know, 1989 was awesome because it was so cool because she, she had all this great country albums and they were fantastic. And then she makes that transition in 1989 and then you have the, you have Covid and everything sucks, right? And then she releases Folklore and Evermore, Evermore. And it's like so good. And her and Bon Iver and, and just, you know, know, like all those, those. It's just so good.
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What, what is truly. Okay. So, yes, her music is phenomenal. I obviously love her music, but what I respect about her is her artistry, her intelligence behind her music, her work ethic, but her intelligence in terms of the way she breaks all the boundaries in what the music world accepts, right? She's like, she, she has earned the ability to break down all the walls, but she also has the creativity and the ability to think outside the box, to imagine what this world can look like if there were no restraints. And that's what she's done. And that's why her music is so good. That's why her Easter eggs are so good. This is why her marketing, which is just her really posting and connecting with people is so good. And let's just be like, she is smart with her money. The way she chooses to invest her money is incredibly smart because you see all these people who make a bunch of money, lose it immediately and then have to essentially like not be able to be true to their art in order to pay the bills, right? And that's not her. I think that's thanks to her dad who's like a finance guy and has taught her all these things. And she's a smart person who has taken these things under advisement and actually used them. And this is why I'm not worried about her being like super happy in a marriage and you know, whatever is next in her life affecting her music because the beauty of her music and why I honestly can't listen to other like modern day pop artists is the lyrics. It's not that they're not great, like beats or things to dance to. The lyrics are mind numbingly stupid. It's like when you have the comedian who just does slapstick all the time. We have that with, you know, vulgarity, we have that with curse words. And I'm like, that's unintelligent. It makes my brain dumber. But she has the tunes, the pop, the, you know, beats. But then when you listen to the lyrics, you. Your brain doesn't melt. In fact, it's like reading a. A stanza of a beautiful poem.
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I will say, with the exception of the love of my life, Lana Del Rey, who is just. I just.
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But she's not the modern. She, she. She's. I'm not talking about, like, who's a flash in the pan right now.
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What's amazing is, like, she's not a.
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Flash in the paint.
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Londo Ray. Like, I'm sorry. The fact that she has never won a Grammy is an indictment of the Grammy. Like, she is incredible. And what's crazy about Taylor Swift is she has been able to be awesome like Londo Reyes and yet still, like, garner acclaim and sell tons of albums and all sorts of stuff. I mean, I. Her. Londo Ray's initial album, the one with video games on it, is like, incredible. But Norman Effing Rockwell is like the best album released in the last 30 years. I mean, it is just amazing. And I still can't believe that she did not win a Grammy for that because it went to, like, what?
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Like, these awards are not. I don't think they're based on merit. I truly don't. I think they're trying to think ahead to, like, what will sell more. I don't even know. But I don't think they're based on me.
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I'm really looking forward. She's doing like, a countryish type album that's coming out. I know she's released like two songs from it that are awesome.
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The one that she has such a good voice. It's like, of course this would work. This would be so beautiful.
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I can't remember what it. Let's see. She's got this song that's like 50. 57.5 million listeners on Spotify is like the name of the song. It's so good. It's so good. And it's going to be on the new album. Really looking forward to that too. So we're just, we're blessed with amazing music.
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But see, with both of them, it. There's. There's depth to the.
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So much depth. Yes.
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As opposed to.
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Again, 57.
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It's not Steve's lava Chicken. That's gonna be like, hilarious for once.
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And she also got married.
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Not forever. And she did. To like, some awesome Louisiana not famous person.
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By the way, did you see the post from the guy who took Taylor Swift to. To prom? That was that was so awesome.
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That was really great.
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By the way. This is an aside before I get to point 3. Hoko. What the hell? Do you know what I'm talking about?
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I know what you're talking about.
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What in the world is wrong with this generation?
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Like, way too much.
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You can't just call it homecoming, Hoko.
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Like, seriously, like, homecoming is too long.
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I just, I can't say homecoming. Gotta say hoko. Will you be my Hoko date? I was like, no, I won't be your hoco date. Then call it hoko.
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I ain't no ho.
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I ain't no hoco. That's just ridiculous. But.
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And the whole, like, how you ask someone to homecoming. We used to just ask them.
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Now you gotta have a sign. You gotta do like some fancy.
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No, not just that.
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You have to like dance.
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You gotta do a tick tock dance. You gotta get like a florist there. You have to have like, you know, a special money. It's all about the money on these kids. I'm like, you know, you're gonna be let down for a world of hurt.
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So point three, we're talking about all too well. So, you know, I remember you and one of our former colleagues talking about when Taylor released the Taylor version and released a 10 minute version of the song, and y' all were all about that song. And I was like, don't like it.
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You. I remember you said that.
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Well, I was very hurt.
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Well, you finally listened.
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I have had. No, I've. I listened to it before, but I've had a revelation. So I listened to the sad girl version that was recorded at Long Pond Studios.
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And it's just her, isn't it, in.
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A piano accompaniment and that. I was like, okay, I totally get it. Totally get. I've listened that just over and over.
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That entire.
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So good.
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That documentary, whatever you want to call it, that whole thing is incredible. I put that on in the background and just listen to it as a soundtrack. The entire series, series, documentary. I don't know what it's called.
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Amazing. I loved it. So, yeah. So now I get it.
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And then have you heard her version? It might just be on her Instagram. Like, I don't even think it's on. It's not released. But it's like just her and a piano doing champagne problems while she's shooting.
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She.
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She's shooting. Maybe shooting champagne problems, I don't know. But she's shooting another music video. But she's sitting there in her like full outfit and they're just riffing and it's my favorite version of Champagne Problems.
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And I've said this before, but I'll say this again. Go on YouTube and look up Radio 1. Taylor Swift, Riptide. Like, her cover of Riptide. It's just her and a piano singing that song. Awesome.
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Just because I love that guy anyway.
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Vance. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. His name is. Joy.
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Vance. Joy. I love his songs anyway, but she. This is. She's just. I just. She's a. She's a musician, and she loves it.
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And you can tell in that video, you can tell how much she loves. Like, the look on her face is pure joy. Like, she is loving singing that song. It's great.
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Yes. And that. And that's the other thing I do. I think there was, like, an interview when she was, like, 14, and they were like, how do you. How. Why do you think you're gonna make it? You know, in this industry, it's. Cut through it. Why do you think you're gonna make it? And her answer is so pure, and it's so good, and it's exactly why she's made it. She's like, because there's literally nothing else I can do. This is all I want to do with my entire life. And it's true. And. But you can see. And that's why she's also so good. Because when you see someone do what they love and. And succeed in it, it's like the most beautiful thing ever.
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Did you see that? The lady who's the new listener that I met at the bar who's now live.
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Yeah. I have to respond to her. Is this why we're doing this episode?
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No, no, no, no. I've been wanting to.
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She's listened to so many episodes, and she wonders whether I'm a swifty.
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Well, no, she, like, literally, I met her a week ago, and she's, like, tearing through the episode. She started at the first episode, so she's, like, catching up.
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There's like, okay, so let's. I have been. You and I have both been. But, like, in the last. Let's say three weeks, I've been in, like, six different states. I don't think that's an exaggeration. I think that's correct. Like, completely different states and for different things. Almost none of them for podcasts. None of them for podcasts, really. Maybe one of them. And I have found someone has recognized my voice in every one of those states, and it's kind of freaking me out.
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Yeah.
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Like, all. It was just in such close succession because I Haven't traveled. After I have a baby, it's, like, just really hard to travel. I usually try not to travel for, like, almost a year because I can barely, you know, get out of bed or brush my hair, much less get on a plane and go do something professional. And so all of a sudden, I've had all these trips, and they're like 24 hour trips. I'm like, landing, doing a thing for like 20 hours, getting back on a plane and going. But at all of these places, someone has recognized me and. And it's kind of scary. It's kind of weird. Something happened in the last year that I didn't travel. Like, did. Did someone buy out a billboard to, like, dox us?
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I don't know. And, like, do you know what I'm talking about, though?
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Have you. Have you experienced this?
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I gotta say. So this is a little inside baseball for those of you. So podcasting's in a really weird place right now.
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It may not exist naturally.
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B
Like, it's really hard to even figure out, like, how many people listen to this podcast. Like, because the way they. The way they count has changed so much. And so there's times where I'm like, nobody listens to us, right? And then. But then, yeah, like, I'm at a bar and I'm talking, and then somebody comes up and they're like, hey, I've listened. You're. Are you Brett from the prosecutors? Oh, yeah. And this is how this happened every time about. So, like, I was at a bar with a friend. Somebody who listened to podcast, overheard, introduces me to another friend. That friend is now listening to all the. And is like, sending us emails as she listens to them all. But yeah, it's like, it's wild. So I don't know, it's really kind of cool.
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I still have no, you know, but it is definitely.
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What's great is it's the voice. So you. You're totally.
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It is.
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You are totally anonymous unless you open your mouth.
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But here's the thing. Obviously your voice. I'm like, oh, yeah, you have a very distinctive voice. I don't think I have a distinctive voice. You know, like, because it's your own voice, you don' Hear it. So I'm shocked that people can pick my voice out of a crowd. I was at this. I was in, you know, where was I? I was in Chicago, not my hometown. Hardly am ever there. Was there for like 20 hours and I was talking and someone, like, yelled over the. The restaurant and was like, are you Alice from the Prosecutors. And I was like, who are you? Yes.
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Yeah.
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Anyways, because to us, it's just the two of us talking, but if you.
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Listen to your voice all the time, you would recognize that, as Vivian says, you have four podcasts. So, like, there's plenty.
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To be fair, I think most of the listens happen on one podcast.
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B
Well, I mean, who's to say? I don't know. That's fun times. Fun times.
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Anyway, it is fun time. Okay. I mean, with that, we've said this for, like, five years now is 2026. 2026.
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B
2026.
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Why did I say 2026 works?
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Is it our year to go on the road?
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2026, the year that we go on the road. I don't know. Like, I feel. I'm finally feeling. I don't know about you. You're still. You have a younger baby than I do. But, like, around the year Mark is when I, like, emerge and I feel like the scales fall off my eyes and I'm like, I'm alive again.
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B
Well, I'll say this, number one, I cannot believe we've been doing this for so long.
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A
It's like we've had, like, four kids between us.
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B
I can't believe it. Like, My daughter turned 6 recently, and I was like, how is this possible? And we started this podcast when she was six months, you know?
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A
Yeah. Like, that's crazy.
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I mean, we're coming up on six years.
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Six years. I know people still listen.
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B
It's wild.
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Maybe not that many. And we just keep adding podcasts for some reason.
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B
Yeah. And we're going to talk to all these judges next, which is a little intimidating.
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That part is crazy. Okay, so we had, like a one week reprieve where we didn't travel like crazy. Now we're about to dive into non stop travel for the next month. Yeah, I think I have to travel again on Tuesday, by the way.
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B
Oh, no.
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I know. I aggressively try to not travel, but.
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B
So I work for the government. I know I shouldn't feel this way because this is not a good way to feel, but the government may shut down next week and.
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Yeah, what day is that on?
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Crossing my fingers, like, just let it happen.
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I mean, government shut down for a government employee who's going to get paid later is pretty fun. Awesome. It's pretty fun.
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Like, you guys don't hate government.
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I lived in D.C. when there was a government shutdown and all the restaurants basically gave away food for the government workers because they're like, we stand with you. Which is really nice. You knew. So we basically just ate and drank for free all over DC did not work because we were not allowed to work because of the Anti Deficiency Act. But you still get paid at the end of the day. And it was great. Now that you have kids, it doesn't sound fun.
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Thing is, so with government shutdowns, as long as.
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So wait, what day is it supposed to happen? Is it Friday?
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Wednesday?
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Oh, even better. Middle of the week.
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I know. So those of you who don't know. So if the government shuts down, you have essential employees and unessential employees. And I've really been lobbying to be unessential because I feel like I don't matter. I'm like, I am totally unessential. I should be furloughed. Because if you're unessential, as Al said, it is illegal for you to work. Illegal. And the thing is, the last time.
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It happened, we were all essential. Huh.
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I know. But I'm thinking this time maybe I can be unessential. And the great thing is, once the shutdown ends, they pay you for all that time. So even though it was illegal for you to work, you still get paid. That is, it is the best deal as long as it doesn't last too long. Because if it lasts too long, you're not getting a paycheck. And then all of a sudden it gets kind of like. Right. But if it just lasts like historically.
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It'S been like a week.
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Yeah.
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Like it's really been like a couple of months.
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The thing is, because of the delay in the way your paycheck works, you get paid like if it lasts two weeks, it doesn't even matter because you get paid because your paycheck is coming from before the shutdown. So basically, if it lasts four weeks and then ends, it doesn't even affect you. You just get paid. Right. If it lasts more than four weeks, then it's like. Because then you're not getting paid. But. But a four week shutdown is like, sweet spot.
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A
I mean, four weeks of vacation. We don't. We unlike the Europeans, don't get these sabbaticals. It's basically as close to a sabbatical as you're gonna get.
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It's like perfect. So it is. That's what I'm hoping for. Like I said, I know I shouldn't. I know that makes me.
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I'll be thinking about. I'll be thinking about government shutdowns for you.
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Yeah. While you're working, maybe we could get.
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Started on our next big case.
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Yeah. My wife was like, hey, can you do something on Wednesday? And I was like, I'm hoping I can. I'm hoping I'll be, like, free and clear.
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You know what would be awesome with all the travel coming up, if you were, like, furloughed. That would be amazing. That would be amazing.
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You know how much I love October, right? October's the best. If the. If the furlough could last the entire month of October and then they work it out, that would be awesome. That's like my ideal.
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Just be sitting in your vampire costume all day, every day.
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Exactly. Just being a vampire. Right? And, like, all my deadlines, I get to file. I get to file an extension, say, sorry, court, I'm furloughed.
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A
I'm not essential.
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B
So you're just gonna have to wait. You have to wait on my brief. Can't.
- [24:52]
A
What do the judges do? I know they're essential, but, like, do they get to work? Halftime.
- [24:57]
B
So the judiciary is under a different funding scheme, so the clerk's gotta have all these fees that fund the court. So. So the courts continue, but they don't have any lawyers, at least government lawyers.
- [25:12]
A
So it's kind of nice.
- [25:13]
B
They do all their civil work.
- [25:14]
A
They get a little. Yeah, they get a little break.
- [25:17]
B
They can just leave civil stuff.
- [25:19]
A
Okay, so back to us doing this podcast for. So on. The thing I love that you. Other than our kids getting older, other than the kids getting older, that I've realized really affects me is I feel like I'm still the age when we started, but I'm five and a half years older. And I'm like, old now, but I still. Does that make sense? I'm like, huh?
- [25:39]
B
You're not old, Number one.
- [25:41]
A
I'm getting to be old. We were five years younger. We were five years younger when we started. We were babies.
- [25:48]
B
Children.
- [25:49]
A
We were little babies, you know? And then now we're like cotton getting up there. You know, Someone called me ma' am today, unsolicited, and I was like, oh, do I look like a ma'? Am?
- [25:59]
B
Well, it's funny because I used to say I thought podcast had about a five year old. You did say that the podcast could last about five years. And then people get sick of it and they're tired of it, and we're past that.
- [26:13]
A
So are you trying to get people to get sick?
- [26:16]
B
It could be close to the end. I don't know.
- [26:19]
A
I don't know. That's when you just start a new one. Rebrand. Right. We get blue hair and little Botox.
- [26:25]
B
Everybody's Innocent. Or we can do a different. A different. We could do, like, what?
- [26:32]
A
Not true crime.
- [26:33]
B
Do an entertainment podcast. We do a lifestyle podcast.
- [26:36]
A
The problem is lifestyle. We could just renovate houses. We'll go in with, like, renovation tools. We're like the demolition crew.
- [26:43]
B
See, the problem is these people who have these lifestyle podcasts all have crazy friends, and we're very boring people. Like, their whole podcast is like, my friend Sarah. She went out in soho over the weekend, and here's her hookup story, right? Like, I don't have that.
- [27:01]
A
And ours is, like, I went to the same park three times in one weekend.
- [27:05]
B
We went to the. The trampoline park, and our kids.
- [27:10]
A
Awesome.
- [27:10]
B
Had a lot of fun.
- [27:13]
A
Did have a lot of fun.
- [27:14]
B
Bounced and stuff.
- [27:16]
A
Okay, so I think I've told you this, but, like, we're so. So. Squanto. Still loves Squanto. He pulled. He. This. This has to do with, you know, because we were at the trampoline park. He's obsessed with now being a stormtrooper. So I got him Hannah Anderson pajamas. That. The whole. It's very smart of them. The whole pajama is a stormtrooper costume. And he wears it every moment he's not in school clothes. And I just. I don't know what to do with this because it's white. It's filthy by the end of the day. But he insists on sleeping in it every single day. So I've been. I think I need to buy another pair to just, like, switch it out, because it smells like it's not. It's not white anymore. That's not the color. It is. And I don't even know what he wants to be for Halloween yet.
- [28:01]
B
So we went to Spirit for Halloween to do the Halloween shopping, and we walked into Spirit here, so I think there's one in town. But we went to the one in Private Vegas and got it. So we walked in thinking the kids were going to be one thing, and of course, they picked completely different costumes.
- [28:26]
A
What did they. Yeah. What do they end up picking? So you let them just walk through and pick whatever they want?
- [28:31]
B
Oh, yeah.
- [28:32]
A
Okay.
- [28:33]
B
First they have to get scared about. Because Spirit's awesome. They get scared by all the things you have to step on the thing. And they're like. They, you know, have all their decorations set up to scare you so you. You'll buy them or whatever. So they love that. So we did that. And then my daughter loves.
- [28:50]
A
You know, my kids would cry because they're my children.
- [28:53]
B
Yeah. My daughter likes to, like, taunt she's like, I'm not scared of you.
- [28:59]
A
Like, she likes the taunt decorations. I love it.
- [29:03]
B
But anyways, so. So she got the Corpse Bride because she wants to be a ghost bride. So she's gonna be a ghost bride. She was. They were both supposed to be ghost or no zombie pirates, which I thought was great.
- [29:21]
A
I feel like a ghost bride is pretty quick. It's like. It's a tangent.
- [29:24]
B
So she's simply a ghost bride. Well, little guy, he wants to be a knight, so he's a knight. He's got his sword and his shield and everything, so that's adorable. And then what are we calling her? Did we come up with a name for her?
- [29:41]
A
It can't be Britney.
- [29:42]
B
It's not Britney. Braless. We're calling her Braless.
- [29:47]
A
Braless.
- [29:49]
B
Braless. Braless is. So she's gonna be the ghost dog from Nightmare on Christmas. Nightmare.
- [30:01]
A
Oh, that's cute.
- [30:02]
B
Whatever it is. And so I'm gonna be Jack Skellington, and then my wife's gonna be. What's her name from wizard of Oz? Dorothy.
- [30:12]
A
Dorothy.
- [30:13]
B
So the. So the baby is playing both dog for Jack Skellington and I gotcha.
- [30:19]
A
And Toto.
- [30:20]
B
Exactly.
- [30:21]
A
Oh, that's cute. Okay. That's very cute. I literally don't know. We have nothing.
- [30:27]
B
And then I also got my. What I'm gonna be for our podcast.
- [30:30]
A
So I'm excited. Not vampire.
- [30:36]
B
Okay, done vampire already. This is the other problem. I was. I was talking to my wife about this. When you've just started a podcast, you have all these great ideas and all these great options because you just started. But, like, we're six years in now. I mean, I know there's not, like.
- [30:54]
A
It's a lot of content.
- [30:55]
B
I've already been a vampire, so what do I do now? Right? It's a problem. But I haven't. I have. I have my. So it's gonna be good.
- [31:02]
A
Anyway, so we are that family. We don't have any Halloween decorations because they scare me. Because there's no, like, sweet decorations. There's, like, spiders. My kids like spider. I know. I know you do. I do like pumpkins, though. But it is so hot where we live that the pumpkins, like, get fried when they are outside. So I do love pumpkins, but the reality is they turn to mush very quickly where we live. Because it's, like, 100 degrees today.
- [31:28]
B
It was really hot today. I'm hoping it'll cool off some.
- [31:31]
A
I think it is. It's supposed to, but, you know, it hasn't rained in, like, months at this point. Like, actually, I was like, huh, Maybe this is what we should have used our sprinkler for. But I've never turned on our sprinklers because it feels like such a waste of water. Do you use your sprinkler? Do you have a sprinkler?
- [31:46]
B
So we do a little bit, but not a ton.
- [31:49]
A
I know. I just. I honestly feel bad turning it on because it's just like, pouring water outside, so. It's because I grew up in Texas where there's, like, always droughts.
- [31:57]
B
So our baseball team, speaking of water, you know, we have a baseball team in town, and they were in the championship, and I really thought they were going to pull it off, but they did not. And it made me sad.
- [32:07]
A
Were you there Tuesday night?
- [32:09]
B
So we went Tuesday night and they lost, and then Wednesday they got rained out, as you were saying. Oh. So, yeah, so they rescheduled the game for noon on Thursday. So I went to the game.
- [32:20]
A
Yeah. Yeah.
- [32:21]
B
For. Basically, I went to lunch, and so I just went to the baseball game.
- [32:25]
A
That's fun. Did you meet anyone there? Like your wife?
- [32:28]
B
She did come, yes.
- [32:29]
A
Okay. That's more fun. I thought you were just going by yourself.
- [32:33]
B
Well, honestly. So I went with somebody from my office, and I took a picture and texted it to her, and she was like, I'm on my way. And so she hung up.
- [32:39]
A
That's awesome.
- [32:40]
B
But then it rained again. And so they got.
- [32:42]
A
Did it got rained out?
- [32:44]
B
It didn't get rained out. It got like, oh, you know what?
- [32:46]
A
I was gone both Wednesday and Thursday. I was like, when did it rain? I was out of town, but we.
- [32:50]
B
Lost to my childhood team, so it's like, I guess it's okay. Yeah.
- [32:55]
A
Well, that's kind of fun then. It is okay.
- [32:57]
B
All right, well, this has been fun. This has been great. We should do this more often, maybe.
- [33:02]
A
You know, I don't know that anyone wants to listen to this. We'll see.
- [33:06]
B
There's still 45 people here, so that's amazing.
- [33:09]
A
When does Wicked 2 come out?
- [33:10]
B
Soon.
- [33:10]
A
Very excited. That's right. It comes out around the time Showgirl comes out. It's going to be exciting. Going to be very exciting. I don't think I have Disney anymore, though. I should probably get Disney.
- [33:24]
B
Do we not have it through the podcast? We don't have it in the podcast.
- [33:26]
A
We should probably sign up for it because you know what? I think there's rumors that she's going to put out another movie. You know, another, like, Updated movie. I will watch anything she puts out, so I hope it's true.
- [33:41]
B
Yes. All right, well, this has been fun. I hope you guys have enjoyed our non true crime episode.
- [33:50]
A
So far from true crime.
- [33:51]
B
She's an email. If you hate it, if you love it, just come back for the next one. Because if you hate it and you shoot us an email, we can block you and it'll be perfect. So. All right, well, Alice, this has been fun. I don't know how to sign off. How do we sign off on this? Like, this is.
- [34:07]
A
Okay. Maybe some people in the chat can hear things.
- [34:09]
B
I mean.
- [34:12]
A
How about just that?
- [34:13]
B
Because up to this point, we've always. We've done the name thing, and it worked for the first two podcasts. How do you sign off your other two podcasts?
- [34:22]
A
I don't sign off. There's like a. There's like a conclusion, but there's not, like a sign off.
- [34:27]
B
Huh.
- [34:27]
A
Like a conclusion. It's. It's for the story. Like, and then there were none.
- [34:34]
B
Intense.
- [34:34]
A
Maybe something like, stay safe out there.
- [34:40]
B
Stay safe out there. Go to bed. I don't know.
- [34:46]
A
Yeah, go to bed.
- [34:47]
B
Prosecutors after dark. I don't know. I don't have a good answer to this question.
- [34:52]
A
Heather said, he's Brett, she's ours. That's pretty funny, actually. And this is After Dark.
- [35:00]
B
This is After Dark.
- [35:02]
A
Yeah, we can. We can play with it a bit.
- [35:05]
B
I don't know. He's pretty. She's Alice. All right, but who says so you say, he's Brett. Is that what happens? And I say, she's Alice.
- [35:14]
A
Brett.
- [35:15]
B
And then what do we say?
- [35:17]
A
And this is after dark.
- [35:18]
B
And this is after dark.
- [35:21]
A
I guess we could say prosecutors after dark.
- [35:24]
B
Let's see. I like that. I like the he's when she's asked, but I don't like the prosecutors after dark part for some reason. Should be something different.
- [35:36]
A
We'll come up with something maybe when it's not so late.
- [35:39]
B
Okay, well, that's fine. So we can do. Okay, so we're gonna do the sign off. So you're gonna say, he's Brit. I'm gonna say, and she's Alice. And then what happens? You say, or I say, who says? Who says what?
- [35:52]
A
We can both say it.
- [35:53]
B
Both say, what are we saying? And this is the prosecutor's After Dark.
- [35:58]
A
Or we could just say, it's dark. It's dark out there.
- [36:04]
B
It's dark. It's hot.
- [36:05]
A
It's dark. It's. It's hot. And this is after dark. Rather than the whole thing.
- [36:16]
B
Oh, man.
- [36:19]
A
When you have too many podcasts, like, I don't know.
- [36:23]
B
I don't know what to say.
- [36:26]
A
Hmm.
- [36:29]
B
I did just reference dmx. Sophie, this is why I love you, because you're on top of it. Okay, so. So I'm gonna, like, wrap it up and say, like, until next time, she's Alice. And you'll say, and then I'll say. And then I'll say, and this is the prosecutor.
- [36:45]
A
This is After Dark. Just say, this is that. This is After Dark.
- [36:48]
B
Well, it's not like so. Because that's the whole point of the show. All right, well, if you join Patreon, you cheapskates, you would have been here for two hours of entertainment. So do that. That's gonna be my closing pitch tonight. And we'll be back in the future with more of this riveting non true crime content. But until then, she's Alice and he's Brett. This is After Dark. Okay, so I need to do an introduction. This is After Dark part two.
- [37:44]
A
We're After Dark it again. We're going darken.
- [37:48]
B
This is the darkest of the dark.
- [37:51]
A
We're going darken. So Squanto, for his kindergarten class, had an ABC fashion show. Adorable. The kids, ABC. They had a let. They learned, like, the ABCs. So they each had a letter. They dressed up as something that was that letter, and they literally walked the Runway. Like, it was adorable. But you know what really was stark to me about this fashion show? Not the adorable costumes that parents spent a lot of time making. I will tell you what Squanto was later. I did not spend a lot of time. It was how young all the parents were. All these kindergartener parents. They were like, they're on their 20s. They had these wide leg pants with, like, rips. They looked so cute. They had little crop tops on. And I was like, are you 25? Like, I could be your mother. I could be your mother. That's what I took away from kindergarten.
- [38:41]
B
They're all like, hoco's coming up. And it's like.
- [38:44]
A
I'm like, what's that?
- [38:45]
B
What are you talking about? Supposed to be hoco. Whatever. And I'm like, don't call me unc.
- [38:52]
A
Don't call me. Yeah, exactly.
- [38:55]
B
Children.
- [38:56]
A
You children. You pescade children. So anyways, that.
- [39:00]
B
That was so great. I'm going to start shaving just to appear young. Look at all this gray hair.
- [39:05]
A
Do you. Do you. Do people. Do you dye your.
- [39:08]
B
Do I dye it? Obviously. I don't diet. Look at it.
- [39:11]
A
I'm saying, like, can you diet? I don't know.
- [39:13]
B
Yeah, but I don't do that. Really, people, I'm aging gracefully. Oh, yeah. You just for men. Beards.
- [39:19]
A
Oh, yeah, I guess.
- [39:20]
B
So you can do dye. The amount of salt and pepper.
- [39:23]
A
Gray hairs I've gotten with this baby. I get gray hairs with everybody. Makes sense. Because you don't sleep.
- [39:29]
B
Look at you.
- [39:29]
A
Like, you.
- [39:30]
B
You're beautiful.
- [39:31]
A
You're so sweet.
- [39:32]
B
You're young.
- [39:34]
A
Five years older than I was when we started.
- [39:36]
B
Everyone thinks you're beautiful. I don't want to.
- [39:38]
A
That's not. That's very. I don't really think so.
- [39:40]
B
Disgusted by you.
- [39:41]
A
I'm disgusted by you. You disgust me.
- [39:44]
B
Your youth.
- [39:45]
A
But the youthful appearance, but literally the amount of hairs from this baby. I'm like, baby, you've taken away all my. My hairs.
- [39:55]
B
She has four children.
- [39:56]
A
I have so many children. Who has this many children?
- [40:01]
B
It's unfair.
- [40:03]
A
But. Oh, okay. Can I. Can I say something else? If we're going to do this whole, like, Taylor Swift thing, guys, can I just say this is how old I am. If you're of my generation. We are so old now that I just realized Gilmore Girls has become synonymous with the fall. And I watch Gilmore Girls in real time. Like, I waited every week when it came out, right? Like, I was there for when Gilmore Girls.
- [40:27]
B
But.
- [40:27]
A
But now it's become this, like, trendy thing because Panera Bread has a hilarious commercial. I don't know if it's on tv, but it's on Instagram and it's Gilmore Girls themed. You need to go watch it. You will laugh your head off. But I forgot that it's now, like, there's like, pumpkin spice, latte and boots. But now a show that I grew up with every week waiting for the next episode to drop, but it's become, like, a fixture of just a season now.
- [40:55]
B
Yeah. So I'm gonna say this, and this is. I hate to be a Debbie Downer, because I'm about to down. This is a downer because it's bad. And, like, I'm really hopeful you don't like it.
- [41:03]
A
Don't pray for him.
- [41:05]
B
I hope everything works out. But, like, you know, Dawson from Dawson's Creek is, like, really sick. He has, like, cancer. And it's. And it's just like, man, like, the fact that somebody in high school that I watched is struggling with a disease, like cancer, it's like, how is that possible? Like, how did we get to that point? Right.
- [41:31]
A
Yes.
- [41:31]
B
I don't know, man.
- [41:32]
A
It's Just it is again. I feel old, right? Like all of a sudden I'm like, oh, we are. We're up.
- [41:39]
B
What else? Like, I don't know where the time went. I don't know how it's 2025. But there are like, Prince is dead, right? What's his name? Give me a moment, man. Phil Collins. Phil Collins is like elderly, right?
- [41:58]
A
Right.
- [41:58]
B
I can't even perform anymore because he's so old. Like, how is that possible, you know, I mean, Tom Petty is dead, you know, it's just crazy. Somebody asked me today if Eric Clapton was still alive. And I was like, God, yes, I think, you know, but like, everybody's so old.
- [42:19]
A
I know I'm getting old.
- [42:21]
B
I mean, how did that happen?
- [42:24]
A
Time, it keeps a ticking.
- [42:27]
B
That's Shannon Doherty died. I know we're talking about 90210 and all that stuff when we were doing West Memphis three.
- [42:33]
A
And that is just. Yeah, those are some golden ages.
- [42:37]
B
But Ozzy Osborne gone. Yeah. I don't know. It's just rough. It is getting old sucks. It sucks for so many reasons.
- [42:49]
A
I don't feel young, that's for sure. Like, my physical body is breaking down.
- [42:54]
B
All I can say is, if you're out there listening, you're a child. Cuz we have a few children who are listening. Enjoy, enjoy your life. Like we had one kid came dressed as Davey Cooper.
- [43:06]
A
That was so Denver.
- [43:08]
B
That was awesome.
- [43:09]
A
Yes.
- [43:10]
B
Enjoy your life, child. Because this is the best, the best years.
- [43:15]
A
It really is. I'm just not as limber as I used to be. You know what I mean? I used to be able to like bolt for the door when it rang and I'm like, oh, I'm coming. Don't leave yet. I'm coming.
- [43:26]
B
Yeah, but all the great, like. And the other problem, this is really should all be on her after dark thing. Culture sucks. Now. We just talked about Taylor Swift. She's awesome. But she is the anomaly. Like, we don't have who is. Think about this. In 20 years, who's the great band from. From right now that you're gonna be like, I wanna go see their farewell tour. Right?
- [43:52]
A
Like, we all want to see Backstreet Boys in, you know, Las Vegas. That's awesome.
- [43:56]
B
Backstreet Boys is fun, right? But I mean.
- [43:58]
A
No, no, no. I'm saying from. That is from the 90s, there won't.
- [44:01]
B
Be anyone of that. Exactly. Like, you think about the Rolling Stones, the Beatles, right?
- [44:10]
A
Yeah.
- [44:10]
B
Like, I mean, Nirvana doesn't even exist anymore, but like Foo Fighters, I mean, just like, all these. The who, right? Like, all these great artists from not even our youth, but before that, who are aging out and getting old, you know? Like, I saw something about how ACDC just put on a concert and everybody was like, they're too old. They should stop. But nevertheless, they're ac, dc, Black Sabbath, you know, Ozzy Osbourne did his last one. Like, who is like that that you're going to want to see in 20 years? There is no one. Like, no. The people. I don't even know who's really big right now, but I'm just going to tell you, you're not going to care about them in 20 years.
- [44:49]
A
Well, I'll say this. I literally. I think this is part of the problem in the way we listen to things, right? Like, I don't really listen to the radio anymore because I can just put on my Spotify playlist and have it suggest, like, music that. So I actually don't. Whenever I turn on the radio, I'm like, what is this? Because it's not within my playlist. So that's part of the problem, too, is there's not like this mask. Everyone, whether you liked them or not, everyone listened to NSYNC and Backstreet Voice. You could have not liked them, but you knew who they were. They were, like, synonymous with the 90s, right?
- [45:19]
B
And so the sort of democratization of music is a good thing in some ways because it allows you to hear all these great groups you never would hear. But you're right, there is no sort of monoculture anymore. There's no. Like, everyone is a fan of this group. I mean, frankly, Taylor Swift is like the last gasp of that, right? Where everyone listens to this one person and when they release an album, it's such a big deal. There's no one else like that. And, you know, I think about groups like Lord Huron, which I love. I love Lord Huron, right? But they're not. They're like niche, right? Like you. I know that because of the Internet or whatever. It's not like everybody knows who Lord Huron is, right? It's just. I don't know. It's just weird how that works. But I was listening to Eric Clapton. The reason Eric Clapton came up, because if I Could Change the World came on the radio. We were driving back from lunch and I was like, yeah, that song's 30 years old.
- [46:22]
A
What?
- [46:23]
B
Yeah.
- [46:24]
A
And here's the crazy part. I'm older than that. You know what I mean? Yeah. Wow. Anyways, this was a nice little addendum to the after dark.
- [46:37]
B
All right, so where are we saving this? What are we saying?
- [46:40]
A
Are we saying this? Nothing good happens.
- [46:42]
B
Are we done?
- [46:43]
A
Yeah, we're done talking.
- [46:45]
B
I'm stopping.
- [46:46]
A
I'm stopping, too.
- [46:48]
B
Sam. Sa.