351. How gratitude changes your brain

Summary

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The Psychology of your 20s – Episode 351: How Gratitude Changes Your Brain

Host: Jemma Sbeg
Date: November 6, 2025
Podcast: The Psychology of your 20s by iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

In this thoughtful episode, host Jemma Sbeg dives deep into the science and nuance behind gratitude—particularly its impact on the brain and our well-being in our 20s. As the year winds down and the holiday season approaches, Jemma explores how gratitude is more layered than the “magic cure-all” it's often touted as on social media. She discusses both the neuroscience and the potential pitfalls of gratitude, including concepts like “toxic gratitude,” and provides alternative ways to cultivate meaning and emotional processing when gratitude feels out of reach.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Defining Gratitude (03:20 – 07:30)

• Complexity of Definition: Gratitude isn't straightforward to define; it operates as both a trait (an intrinsic tendency for some) and as an elicitable emotion or attitude.
• Psychologists' Views:
  • Robert Emmons & Michael McCullough describe gratitude as a two-step process: recognizing something good has happened and acknowledging an outside source for it.
• Jemma’s Favored Definition:
  “In the broader sense, [gratitude] is an appreciation of what is valuable and meaningful to oneself... just an appreciation.” (04:47)

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2. The Psychological Superpower of Gratitude (07:31 – 12:10)

• Positivity Amidst Negativity Bias:

  • Our brains are “wired by default to have a negativity bias”—a tendency to notice threats and negatives first, left over from evolutionary survival mechanisms. (09:15)
  • “Gratitude...is the counterbalance to this that allows us to really zoom out and see the full picture, not just the negative or shadowy parts.” (09:48)

• Cognitive Benefits:

  • Attention: Gratitude actively directs our brain to notice positive aspects of our experience.
  • Memory Encoding: “When we focus on positive experiences and repeat them through those common exercises of a gratitude journal or reflection...those memories get encoded more deeply.” (11:08)
    • Grateful memories fade less over time, even in dementia patients, because they are encoded as highly meaningful. (11:38)
  • Emotional Regulation: Activates the prefrontal cortex, offering balance during challenging emotions. Allows holding two truths: “This moment is hard, but it's not always going to be hard. There is more than this.” (12:00)

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3. Societal and Relational Benefits (12:11 – 13:35)

• “Gratitude has been proven to increase pro-social behavior... Kindness, empathy, generosity, they all increase. When people have a higher level of personal gratitude, we are more likely to act in favorable ways to others and to be acting positively and strengthening relationships.” (12:20)
• On a wider scale, gratitude helps mend fractured communities and societies.

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4. The Neuroscience: Gratitude’s Impact on the Brain (13:36 – 16:46)

• 2015 Indiana University fMRI Study:
  • Participants wrote (unsent) letters of gratitude.
  • Three months later, their brain scans showed increased activity in the medial prefrontal cortex—a region central to emotional regulation and decision-making. (14:45)
  • Repeated gratitude practice created a “long-lasting neural footprint.”
• Gratitude as Vicarious Experience:
  • A study using stories of Holocaust survivors found that imagining gratitude, even without personal experience, activated the brain’s reward circuitry (ventral striatum, nucleus accumbens). (15:45)
• Notable Quote:
  “What’s so beautiful about this study is that it shows that gratitude isn’t just...something that’s nice. It’s not just surface level. It’s like viscerally rewarding. Like the reward is something that we can literally see.” (16:18)

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5. The Limitations and Dangers: Toxic Gratitude (21:13 – 28:40)

• When Gratitude Backfires:

  • “The moment that gratitude becomes something we’re told to feel or something that we owe because of our circumstances, it shifts from being an emotion to being a performance.” (21:22)
  • This leads to “toxic gratitude” or “toxic positivity,” suppressing valid emotions and emotional processing.
  • “You might have heard this yourself. It sounds like, ‘Ah, could have been worse.’ ...Having that kind of awareness and perspective is important. It also doesn’t undercut the fact that if something is painful and sucky for you, it’s still painful and sucky for you.” (22:42)

• Emotional Repression & Guilt:

  • Citing Whitney Goodman from “Live Happy Now”:
    “Toxic positivity denies an emotion...and so not only are we feeling the feeling, we’re also feeling shame about the feeling.” (24:05)
  • “Refusing an emotion or not feeling it doesn’t make you more healed...if you actually let yourself just not be grateful for a little while...that’s honestly totally fine.” (25:13)

• Gratitude and Safety:

  • “Gratitude requires a certain baseline level of safety...When your nervous system is dysregulated...the body can’t access gratitude if it doesn’t believe the world is safe enough to let its guard down.” (26:10)

• Cultural Obsession with Good Vibes:

  • Refers to Dr. Susan David on the risk of “emotional fragility” when pain can’t be openly acknowledged.
  • “Unprocessed pain...just hides behind all the gratitude bandages...” (27:09)

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6. Alternatives When Gratitude Feels Inaccessible (28:41 – 32:53)

• Lowering the Bar:
  “...just look for niceness instead. Looking for something nice feels a lot more neutral, feels way less intimidating than being like, you have to find something that you are grateful for 100%.” (29:09)
• Embracing Novelty:
  When life feels too difficult for gratitude, pursue new experiences: “Pursue novelty over gratitude.” (30:06)
  • Try new routines, explore your city, cook new meals, or try activities like a trampoline park.
  • “Having novel experiences has been evidenced time and time again to be essential for adaptability and for your overall well-being.” (31:03)
• Creating Gratitude for Others:
  “Maybe you just need to create more of it for other people and it will come back to you in time.” (31:31)
• Staying Curious:
  “When you can’t access these absolute positive emotions, just try and explore. Just try and be interested in life.” (31:46)
• Reflective Questions:
  • When judging an experience, ask:
    • “What is the gray area? What actually might this experience be teaching me that I don’t have to be grateful for?”
    • “If this was a chapter of my life in a movie...what's the purpose of this moment?...What should my character do next?” (32:20)

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7. Final Reflections & Takeaway (33:00 – 35:56)

• “Gratitude is, like, fabulous. It’s like...honestly, I think it’s a human gift. It’s a miracle in many ways that we can, like, appreciate things so deeply...” (33:00)
• “That doesn’t mean it’s a moral test. You don’t have to be relentlessly positive. You don’t have to be grateful all the time just because it’s a beautiful feeling. You don’t have to pretend everything’s fine.” (33:54)
• Gratitude is not a quick fix, but it can be a “superpower” and “a nice place to lay your head when everything else feels terrible.”
• Jemma’s Own Gratitude:
  “Something I’m grateful for right now is air conditioner. It’s like genuinely like 40 degrees in Sydney right now...so grateful for air conditioner. I’m so grateful for the people who discovered how to make air cold.” (35:30)

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Memorable Quotes & Timestamps

• “Gratitude is both a trait...and also an attitude or an emotion. It’s also something that we can elicit for ourselves and kind of force into occurring.” – Jemma Sbeg (05:12)

• “Gratitude allows you to retrain your mind to notice what’s still working.” (09:41)

• “You can’t appreciate good things if you don’t look for them, right. And if you don’t direct yourself to notice them, gratitude builds that skill.” (10:14)

• “Our brains are actually wired by default to have a Negativity bias…” (09:15)

• “The moment that gratitude becomes something we’re told to feel or something that we owe… it shifts from being an emotion to being a performance...” (21:22)

• “Sometimes, like, the kindest thing you can do for yourself is just be like, yeah, this just really sucks.” (25:46)

• “Having novel experiences has been evidenced time and time again to be essential for adaptability and for your overall well-being.” (31:03)

• “You’re allowed to have a diversity of emotions. But if you can access gratitude… it might make life just feel a little bit better, that might be able to hold your hand through grief and through exhaustion and through hard times...” (34:02)

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Suggested Actions for Listeners

• Try lowering the pressure: If gratitude feels inaccessible, simply look for things that are “nice.”
• Embrace novelty: Change your routine, try new experiences, or simply explore your environment.
• Do acts of kindness: Consider creating moments of gratitude for others.
• Practice curiosity: Stay open-minded and reflective, especially during tough times.
• Allow yourself a range of emotions: It's okay to feel and process pain before reaching for gratitude.

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Episode’s Tone

• Warm, reassuring, and deeply honest. Jemma strikes a balance between loving encouragement for self-growth and pushing back against the “toxic positivity” trends common in wellness circles, making this episode especially validating and practical for listeners navigating the tumultuous “growing pains” of their 20s.

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For further engagement:

• Leave a comment about what you’re grateful for.
• Follow the podcast on Instagram or Substack.
• Read the episode transcript or view the video on YouTube.

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And welcome back to the Psychology of your 20s, the podcast where we talk through some of the big life changes and transitions of our 20s and what they mean for our psychology. Hello everybody. Welcome back to the show. Welcome back to the podcast. New listeners, old listeners, wherever you are in the world, it is so great to have you here back for another episode as we of course break down the psychology of our 20s. You guys might not want me to say this, but like it or not, we are coming closer to the end of the year and also the holidays. Thanksgiving, Christmas, Hanukkah, New Year. And famously there is a huge emphasis on reflecting on the year and showing gratitude for our lives. So I thought, what better time than now to do an episode on gratitude, which for some reason I have never done before. I don't know exactly how I have missed it, but today is the day. Also, before we get into it, I want to let you know this episode is actually also a video episode on YouTube. So if you prefer watching episodes with video and getting to like, see, I don't know, see me speaking to you through a screen, you go and check that out. I'll leave a link in the description. But let's get into it. Gratitude journals, Gratitude challenges, daily affirmations. You know, I even have a daily affirmations, well, a weekly affirmations podcast. It's everywhere. If you've ever opened Instagram, which I'm assuming you have, you have probably seen a post at some time, at some point about manifesting abundance. If you've ever been to therapy, chances are you have encountered a therapist that has encouraged gratitude. I know I sure have. It is presented to us as this almost like magical cure all. Be grateful and you will be happy. People talk about gratitude like it is this like magic pill, this magic way to be a more happy, well rounded person. In some ways it is. But that claim can feel a little bit too neat, a little bit too like one dimensional. Can it really fix everything? Probably not. Is it always that easy to tap into? Definitely not. But today we're going to talk about it and we're going to ask that big question, does gratitude actually make us happier? And what forms or ways of expressing gratitude are the most effective? We're going to look at, of course, the psychology. Do I even need to say that? Probably not. The neuroscience and also importantly, the limits of gratitude. Because yes, it is amazing. Yes, it does fundamentally change your brain. There's also a more nuanced side to it. Toxic gratitude can elicit a lot of guilt and a pressure to be thankful and it can actually stop or halt emotional processing that needs to be part of the conversation. So I am excited to dive deeper into this topic, it has been a long time coming. Without further ado, let's get into the psychology of gratitude. First things first, definition of gratitude, we need to kind of get that, get that ironed out. This is actually ironically kind of a hard concept to get a clear definition on. One of the best ways it's described and that I found it described was actually in a 2010 paper written by researchers in Ohio who actually talked about how gratitude is both a trait. So for example, some people just naturally feel more grateful and it's also an attitude or an emotion. It's also something that we can elicit for ourselves and kind of force into occurring. There are even more definitions about this. Is gratitude also just like a coping response? Is it a coping mechanism? Is gratitude like a spiritual experience? Is it just something that like we have to trip into to find? Is it just something that comes up spontaneously? A lot of people actually have different thoughts about it. How I like to see it and how this paper defined it. And gratitude in the broader sense is an appreciation of what is valuable and meaningful to oneself. Whether it is a trait, whether it is forced. It's just an appreciation. To add to this, psychologist Robert Edmonds and Michael McCloud, they are like the leading researchers on gratitude and I like their definition as well. They define it as a two step process which is recognizing that something good has happened and acknowledging that someone else or something else beyond you had to play a role in it. So the first definition is really like, it's just feeling like the world or something is beautiful and being able to notice it. The second definition that we're working with is that you're able to attribute it to something. In other words, it's not just an experience. It's also a feeling of being connected, but also supported more broadly, whether it's by your family, whether it's by the God you believe in, by the universe, by nature, whatever it is, there's an appreciation for that outside force. Psychologically, gratitude is seen as this like mental superpower. Why is that? Well, firstly, because it promotes positive appraisal or positive reappraisal. Essentially why that's so powerful is because bad things are always going to happen. Terrible things, annoying things, frustrating things are always going to occur. You can't change that. You can change how your brain interprets these experiences. Instead of fixating on what went wrong, gratitude allows you to retrain your mind to notice what's still working. You might not know this, but our brains are actually wired by default to have a Negativity bias, basically, to see the worse in things, to see the worst in people, to see the worst in circumstances. This has actually been a good thing in the past. It meant that we were more attuned to threats, to danger, to the poisonous plants, the big saber toothed tigers. But it also means that left unchecked, our minds are naturally quite pessimistic. Gratitude, though, is the counterbalance to this that allows us to kind of really just zoom out and see the full picture, not just the negative or shadowy parts. If we take a look at how this works cognitively, there's a few processes that are involved here. I feel like people talk about gratitude all the time. No one talks about what it's actually doing to, to your brain inside the skull of ours. First, gratitude allows us to direct our attention more conveniently or positively to things that we actually want to see. You can't appreciate good things if you don't look for them, right. And if you don't direct yourself to notice them, gratitude builds that skill. The next is memory encoding. When we focus on positive experiences and we repeat them through those common exercises of a gratitude journal or reflection or, or speaking openly about them, those memories get encoded more deeply. The same way that when you study by writing and rehearsing and reflecting on your knowledge, this is objectively better than just like reading your notes or listening to the lecture. Research that was published in the Journal of Positive Psychology found that so called grateful memories actually showed less fading over time, even compared to other positive memories. This is actually seen a lot in dementia patients who can remember really beautiful memories with their family when they were kids, when they were younger. They're encoded almost in a separate way to other kinds of memories, mainly because they are appraised as valuable. Because they are so significant and they carry meaning, our brain kind of locks them in like this sneaky safe that it has at the back, meaning that when everything else starts to fade and decay, they remain. There's also an aspect of emotional regulation going on here. Gratitude activates the prefrontal cortex. This is the part of the brain that is responsible for emotional regulation. If you're going through a really tough time and you're stressed and you're frustrated, what gratitude actually does is allow this part of your brain to, I guess, work better by having a more rational perspective and truthful perspective on your circumstances. It allows you to hold two truths at the same time. This moment is hard, but it's not always going to be hard. There is more than this. That is an incredible ability to have. Also, we have to talk about this from a more social, less individualized standpoint. Gratitude has been proven to increase pro social behavior and when practiced on an individual level, to actually make a community and a society better. Kindness, empathy, generosity, they all increase. When people have a higher level of personal gratitude, we are more likely to act in favorable ways to others and to be acting positively and strengthening relationships when we feel like there is good in the world and that other people possess good as well. So gratitude is like, incredible for society as well. It's like something that really does, like, mend and heal fractured systems. So what does this actually do to the brain, like, neurologically, that was like, cognitively, what's happening, like, to our neurons, to our synapses, to. Yeah, to this big organ? Well, I can tell you using this 2015 FMRI study from these people at Indiana University. So in this study, they basically asked participants to write down letters of gratitude to people in their lives. They didn't have to send the letters. They just had to write the letters. That was enough to a grandmother, to an aunt, to an uncle, a brother, whoever it was. Three months later, when those same participants were scanned in the FMRI machines, their brains showed increased activity in the medial prefrontal cortex. That's the region involved in emotional regulation, in learning, decision making. Like there was physical changes to how their brain was operating. The researchers concluded that gratitude is. It has a long lasting neural footprint. And they saw that footprint, I guess, entrenched deeper when people did this over and over and over again. Essentially, this practice changed the brain's baseline response to both positive and negative experiences. There was also a further 2015 study published in Frontiers in Psychology, also using FMRI scanners, which basically induced gratitude in participants and then scanned their brain at the time. Instead of just giving these people, like, random gratitude prompts, instead of asking them just to write letters of gratitude, they told them stories that were really precious and beautiful. These stories actually came from real Holocaust survivors who'd been helped by strangers during the war, people who had risked their own lives to offer food, to offer shelter, to offer protection. And the participants were asked to imagine themselves as this person being helped and being rescued, to picture that moment, to feel what it would have been like to receive that kind of help when you were just, like, so desperate. And as they did that, the scans showed significant activation in a couple of areas, the ventral striatum and the nucleus accumbens, both key parts of the brain's reward system. Long names. All you need to know is that these are the areas that are most active when we experience pleasure, love or deep connection. And that activity increased even after the story was over. What's so beautiful about this study is that it shows that gratitude isn't just like something that's nice. It's not just surface level. It's like viscerally rewarding. Like the reward is something that we can literally see. And what's even more interesting was that they didn't even have to perform gratitude themselves to have this feeling. No one in this study actually received anything like it was entirely empathetic. Just imagining the kind of generosity was like enough to trigger the brain's reward circuits. When people say gratitude changes your brain, this is what they're talking about. This is what they are referring to. There is hard science behind why it's recommended. But and this is equally an important thing to remember only under the right conditions. Gratitude isn't something that we can actually always access and it might not actually always be helpful. Sometimes it can backfire, sometimes it can leave us feeling worse than before. And that's like a part of the conversation that I don't think people really want to have all the time. But we are going to have it today. How could gratitude possibly be bad for us? 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So here's where it gets a little bit tricky. Gratitude, when it's real and when it's self motivated is really fantastic. When it bubbles up naturally, it's even more fantastic. You know, we all have those moments where we're just like, wow, I'm so lucky to be here. This is such a beautiful day. You go searching for that feeling. You feel incredible. You feel like, like there's a lightness to you. The moment that gratitude becomes something we're told to feel or something that we owe because of our circumstances, it shifts from being an emotion to being a performance and it stops being a resource that helps us and starts essentially becoming a tool for emotional suppression. This is where we veer into what we call toxic gratitude. This is an offshoot of toxic positivity. This is when we start to use it to bypass uncomfortable emotions. And what ends up happening is that we actually don't honor them and we don't actually process why they happen in the first place and why that just has like, deeply impacted us. You might have heard this yourself. You definitely have. It's very silent sometimes. Like the use of gratitude to kind of silence emotions that people don't want to look at is sometimes invisible. But it sounds like, ah, could have been worse. It sounds like, at least I have a roof over my head. It sounds like, you know, there's someone out there who has it harder than me. So I'm just going to shut up about it. And the thing is, those statements are totally true. Yeah, someone does have it worse than you. Like, people do have it harder than you. Having that kind of awareness and perspective is important. It also doesn't undercut the fact that if something is painful and sucky for you, it's still painful and sucky for you. Like how I like to. I always say this to my friends and I always say this to myself. Someone with a broken arm, it's is still gonna like their arm still hurts whether or not someone else has a broken spine. Like, it's entirely separate. They are still feeling all that pain in themselves. Like someone else's suffering doesn't, like, undercut. There's not only a certain amount of suffering that can go around. We cannot have this idea that if your suffering isn't the absolute worst kind of, you do not deserve to feel it. And sometimes the use of gratitude as a solution to these feelings is a way that we actually make people believe that. This is podcast that I love called Live Happy Now. Big fan, big fan of that podcast. And I was listening to an episode that they did with Whitney Goodman talking about the impact of toxic positivity. And what she said was that toxic positivity denies an emotion. It denies a feeling which is actually like just as bad as what that feeling might be eliciting in the first place. When we use toxic positivity, we're basically telling ourselves like, this emotion shouldn't exist, it's wrong. And so not only are we feeling the feeling, we're also feeling shame about the feeling. And it's obviously impossible to ignore anyways because we know it does exist, otherwise we wouldn't be feeling it right now. And so the whole situation becomes a lot more confusing. Refusing an emotion or not feeling it doesn't make you more healed because it actually means that the battle between you and that emotion is probably more of a vicious daily thing than if you processed it appropriately in the first place. If you actually let yourself just not be grateful for a little while, if you just let yourself be like this just really, really sucks. And I don't want to be grateful for my situation. I don't want to be grateful for what else I have. I don't necessarily want to be resilient right now. I don't want to be the bigger person. I just want to have some self pity. That's actually. And you may not think that I would say this honestly, totally fine. Gratitude just sometimes doesn't feel accessible to you. And trying to force it to be actually creates this really weird paradox where the more you try, the harder and more elusive it becomes. Gratitude requires a certain baseline level of safety. It requires the belief that even subconsciously, you know, you're okay to relax, like, you're okay to take in what's around you. When your nervous system is dysregulated, when it's stuck in fight, flight, freeze or fawn, your brain, like, is all focused on living through and getting through this experience. So it's not going to be scanning your surroundings for beauty or blessings. It's scanning for threats and threats only. It is not a choice in that moment to be ungrateful. It is actually just plain inaccessible. When we don't feel safe, the part of us that connects Us that feels joy, that expresses appreciation, it just goes offline because from an evolutionary perspective, again, it's not immediately necessary for our survival. The body can't access gratitude if it doesn't believe the world is safe enough to let its guard down. And yet that's often when, again, people double down. I saw another article from the psychologist Susan David where she talks about this cultural obsession with, like, good vibes and how that actually creates more emotional fragility. When we're not allowed to name pain, we can't process it. And unprocessed pain doesn't magically vanish the same way that energy doesn't magically vanish. It just hides behind all the gratitude bandages until, like, that defense mechanism doesn't work anymore. And look, I'm not saying that gratitude is bad. It's just that it can't be forced from a place of fear or from a place of shame. It can't be forced from a place of I should of shoulds. Maybe that's the best way to say it. Sometimes, like, the kindest thing you. You can do to yourself is, and do for yourself is just be like, yeah, this just really sucks. So I want to talk about some alternatives. I feel like I've been blabbing on about that for a while. When gratitude is inaccessible, what's. What else is there? Because we do actually need some kind of thing to, to hold on to. What might that be if gratitude feels too heavy? One of these recommendations that I heard from someone was to just look for niceness instead. Looking for something nice feels a lot more neutral, feels way less intimidating than being like, you have to find something that you are grateful for 100%. Absolutely. Just look for one small thing each day that's like, you just think is cool or you just think is beautiful. You're not necessarily grateful for it, but, you know, it was really nice that the pavement smelled really beautiful after it rained today. It was really nice that, like, you saw that child holding that flower on the bus. I'm not necessarily grateful for it, but it was enjoyable. It was nice to see that when we lessen the pressure to feel this, like, you huge, expansive feeling and this expansive, like, impact of some outside force on our lives, we can start to just welcome in a few more moments of just, like, joy and pleasure and contentment throughout our day. The next thing to do, if you're finding it hard to be grateful for what you have and for your life is just to do something completely new. Sometimes, and especially when life feels hard, we find it difficult to Access gratitude because everything feels the same. Then, like, you add a layer of like this just, I'm just feeling crap onto that. Like, it just gets even worse. So pursue novelty over gratitude. Go to a new part of your city for the day. Make like a bucket list for where you live. Just wander around. Study at the public library instead of studying at home. Maybe change up your weekly routine if you can. Like, start cooking new meals in the evening. Choose like an elaborate dessert recipe and commit to making it. Do something on Friday night that's not drinking. Go and like, explore floor. Or go to your Boulder local Bouldering gym. Go to like, I don't know, a painting class. Just like, do something else. You know what me and my friends did the other day, we were having this conversation of like, I'm so sick of like going out drinking on like a Saturday or Friday night. And like, everything in the city feels the same. So we went to a trampoline park like the one you used to go to when you were 12 years old. And like, someone would always end up like, breaking something or like ripping their jeans, and it was the best night ever. Having novel experiences has been evidenced time and time again to be essential for adapt, like adaptability and for your overall well being. Like, people actually cannot thrive in situations that are completely and constantly the same. They need new stimulus. So if you're not feeling grateful, that might be a solution. Another way to experience like, newness is to put yourself in someone else's shoes and to, you know, create gratitude for somebody else if you can't experience it for yourself. Volunteering, acts of kindness, those kinds of things are deeply powerful. Try and do like one kind thing a day for the next two weeks. Not only does this, like, give you a sense of purpose, like, I'm changing somebody else's life, even if they don't notice it, it also allows others to be grateful for you. And that can create feedback for modeling gratitude in general when you're finding it really hard to access, maybe you just need to create more of it for other people and it will come back to you in time. Similar to like both of these. Like is just being curious. Novelty, curiosity, somewhat similar, but it just keeps the mind open when you can't necessarily access these absolute positive emotions. Just try and explore. Just try and be interested in life. Try and find new things that you can learn about and then see if gratitude comes. Some questions you might also want to ask yourself to prompt this in your own life is like, when I'm looking at an experience, I might see it as only good or only bad. What is the gray area? What actually might this experience be teaching me that I don't have to be grateful for, but I don't have to be terrified of either? What might this be preparing me for? Or, you know, if this was, like, a chapter of my life in a movie or a book and I was someone watching from the outside looking in, what's the purpose of this moment? Can I see where this is guiding me to in the future? What should my character do next instead of seeing things in, like, absolutes? This is only good, this is only bad. Yeah. Like, this zones. It zones us in on, like, what's in the middle. What's, like, the meat of the situation? What am I meant to be learning? And this, like, isn't supposed to be invalidating or it's supposed to romanticize your pain. It just encourages you just to, like, stay engaged with, like, the nuances of life and accept that, like, just because something doesn't make sense yet doesn't mean that it won't down the line. Like, it's an acknowledgment that especially if you're in your 20s, like, you're still learning, you're still growing and adapting through life, this might be the worst thing that's ever happened to you now, but life will get bigger and, like, be able to hold more space for new and better things. I think the biggest takeaway from today is that gratitude is, like, fabulous. It's like. I honestly think it's like a human gift. It's a miracle in many ways that we can, like, appreciate things so deeply that the only thing we can do is say that some otherworldly thing must be responsible for it. It's so beautiful that we can see beauty. And just, like, it's honestly an indescribable emotion. Like, I imagine trying to just describe, like, gratitude to an alien, and I just, like, feel like they probably wouldn't understand it. That doesn't mean that it's a moral test. You don't have to be relentlessly positive. You don't have to be grateful all the time just because it's a beautiful feeling. You don't have to pretend everything's fine. I think it's just important to know that, like, you're allowed to have a diversity of emotions. But if you can access gratitude, it's not going to be a quick fix. It's not going to be some vitamin. But it is something that you can, like, come back to that might make life just feel a little bit better that might be able to, like, hold your hand through grief and through exhaustion and through hard times and just give you, like, it's like a nice place to like go and lay your head down when like everything else in the world feels really terrible. It doesn't mean you, like, are morally obligated to feel it all the time. It's just like a superpower. And it's this brilliant thing that we're very lucky to have when we really need it. So thank you so much for listening to this episode. If you have made it this far, what's something you're grateful for? Please leave a comment below. Share why that makes you feel grateful. Share yeah, whether it's a person, whether it's a pet, whether it's like a movie, a TV show, like the best chocolate cake you've ever had, I want to hear it. I want to know. So something I'm grateful for right now is air conditioner. It's like genuinely like 40 degrees in Sydney right now. If you're like, I don't know, if you do Fahrenheit, it's like over 100 degrees. And yeah, so grateful for air conditioner. I'm so grateful for the people who discovered how to make air cold. So that's my little, that's my little touchstone for the day. I'm going to go to bed thinking, God, that's nice. But yeah, I appreciate you listening. Thank you again to our research assistant, Libby Colbert for her contributions to this episode. She's amazing. We love her and we appreciate all of her work. 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