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Dave
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Jeremiah
My lease is up in my apartment with my girlfriend. But we've been having some relationship problems ever since we moved in together. It's always fun times.
Dave
You know, that's what marriage is like in your first year. Nobody ever tells you that. The first year of marriage is what you're experiencing. You just learn how to live together, and there's all kinds of problems.
Jeremiah
Yeah, I hear that a lot from my dad. I was curious about. We have been talking to my dad about moving back in with him. He would charge me $400 a month in rent. I do have medical bills coming up from a motorcycle accident that happened.
Dave
Oh, no.
Jeremiah
And then.
Dave
You okay?
Jeremiah
I turned out okay. Yeah, I turned out just fine.
Dave
So I got a question. Quick question.
Jeremiah
Yeah.
Dave
Before we get to the money, because I think this plays into the money issue. Um, you've been living with your girlfriend for how long?
Jeremiah
A year.
Dave
A year.
Jeremiah
April 4th.
Dave
A year. And you developed some real relations. Okay. And you develop some real relationship issues now that you're living together. And. And so you think the solve is to. To stay living together, but just go back to dad's house.
Jeremiah
We would go separate. She would go to her parents, and I would go to my dad.
Dave
Oh, I missed that. Okay. I mean, I. Okay. That's actually okay. I'm feeling better with that. I didn't know because you guys got to figure out your relationship issue, and living together is probably not the best way to do it, in my opinion. I know I'm old school.
Jade
Does the issue have to do with money or is it separate?
Jeremiah
She gets very angry at me over little things. And don't get me wrong, I'm not. I'm a human. I'm not perfect. I do some things wrong to myself and See, her money is issues or she's not great with her finances. I've tried to coach her a little bit based off of your guys's teachings. He just can't really pull it together since the year we've been.
Dave
But is she getting angry at you over money things and your coaching, or is she getting angry at you about other things?
Jeremiah
Just house things? Say if I. I come home from work and I just kind of want to relax and do nothing, she'll start getting angry. Or if I don't, if I forget to do dishes sometimes she'll get on me. Like I said, we. We take turns cleaning and whatnot. But.
Jade
Yeah.
Dave
Is she okay? I gotta ask. I'm so sorry. I can't help it. Is she angry or is she just perturbed? In other words, I want you to rank it for me. Her reaction from a 1 to a 10, one being, like, maybe a little. A little sigh where she's rolling her eyes to angry. She's throwing something at you. Give me a ranking. What's happening?
Jeremiah
I'll give it, like, a solid, like, five to seven. It's no throwing. We don't. We don't ever lay hands on each other or anything like that.
Dave
That's why I put it at 10. Throwing at you. Okay. Wow. Jade, what do you think of this? I feel like you need to get involved here.
Jade
Yeah. I wanted to know how long you were dating before you moved in together.
Dave
Oh, good question.
Jeremiah
Three years.
Jade
Three years.
Dave
And was she angry at that time, too?
Jeremiah
No, it just really started since we moved in together. So this is last year, April.
Jade
This is playing into what we know, which is a lot of. I'm stepping into the waters now, Ken. You know a lot of people when they move in together. The thought, Ken, is, I'm just gonna test it out. Like, I think I want to marry this person. I think I want to be with this person for the long haul. Let's test it out and see. But really, it causes people to go in the opposite direction, and they. There's been studies now that say that living together is. You're least likely to have a successful marriage or even see.
Dave
Oh, really?
Jade
Yeah, because it's. It's almost like a commitment thing. It's like, you don't have to dial.
Dave
In full commitment, which makes those things even more irritating.
Jade
Yeah, it's almost like. It's almost like a symbol of lack of commitment.
Dave
Think you're right. Stacy stuck with me, you know?
Jade
Yeah.
Dave
Like, we got paper, we got some ink. Yeah. You got to pull all that apart. It's not easy. Yeah, I get what you're saying. Where.
Jade
Yeah, exactly. Whereas it's like, hey, I don't want to marry you. I'll live with you. It's like the ultimate sig. Signal of lack of commitment. I don't want to marry you. So I wonder if under, like, underlying, she's feeling something. It's like, I'm with this guy, and she might have marriage expectations, but you're not actually married. And so you guys are feeling that tension of the reality versus what you kind of think it is in your minds.
Dave
Although I will say this, Jeremiah, you.
Jeremiah
Are probably 100% on spot.
Dave
She is.
Jeremiah
Ever since. Yeah, she's Big on marriage. She's always kind of mentioned that to me, but I've always been a little skeptical just because. I don't know. It's. It's tough out there.
Dave
Well, Jeremiah, this is where the rubber meets the road as it relates to my advice.
Jade
It's true.
Dave
You need to understand, young man, that if you put a ring on her finger and you marry her and you.
Jade
Come home, it ain't no going back.
Dave
And you just jump on the couch and you don't do what she's expecting you to do as it relates to your house stuff, she's going to still be angry. So we've got to figure out relationally, what is your part in this deal?
Jade
And.
Dave
And where do you need to step up? And then if. Now, listen to me, Jeremiah. If you step up, does she chill out? And so I'm going to. I'm going to make a ruling here.
Jade
Yeah, make a ruling.
Dave
I. The starting question was, should we renew the lease? The answer is no. I think you need to go your separate ways for six months, and let's figure you two out. And you, young man, need to start with, do you want to marry this young lady?
Jade
And the answer doesn't have to be yes.
Dave
And if it's not, fine. But you owe that to her because she's made it clear she wants to get married. You're just kind of kicking the can down the road. I think I'd start there. Let's separate. Let's live apart. I'm not saying break up.
Jade
Things get better.
Dave
Yeah, I'm not saying break up, but let's not live together.
Jade
And.
Dave
And let's see where we want to go. We're on Team Jeremiah because you called. But I'll be honest with you. If she called, I'd have been on her team.
Jade
When you separate your living situation, like we said, you're still dating, then take that time to start figuring out what it would look like if. If you're there. I don't. I don't know if you are, but if you are there, if we were to be married, what would it look like? What are. What do we see for each other? What are gender roles? What do you think a man's role is? What do you think a woman's role is like? You guys talk about that stuff because you did get a little glimpse of. You thought you could come home and pop open a beer and watch the game, and she said, no, no, no, no, no. There's dishes in the kitchen, so you guys have to talk about that. And arrive at what that means for both of you. And of course, if you do get married, go through marriage counseling and go through Financial Peace University.
Dave
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Podcast Summary: The Ramsey Show Highlights – "Continue To Live With My Girlfriend?"
Episode Information:
In this episode of The Ramsey Show Highlights, Jeremiah reaches out to seek advice regarding his relationship challenges after moving in with his girlfriend. Hosted by experts Dave Ramsey and Jade Warshaw, the discussion delves into the intricacies of cohabitation, relationship dynamics, and financial considerations that often accompany such life decisions.
Jeremiah's Background:
Financial Pressures:
Transcript Highlights:
Jeremiah on Relationship Issues:
"[00:09] Jeremiah: My lease is up in my apartment with my girlfriend. But we've been having some relationship problems ever since we moved in together. It's always fun times."
Financial Concerns:
"[00:31] Jeremiah: ... we have been talking to my dad about moving back in with him. He would charge me $400 a month in rent. I do have medical bills coming up from a motorcycle accident that happened."
Dave Ramsey's Perspective: Dave Ramsey equates Jeremiah’s current situation to the typical first-year struggles of marriage, emphasizing that living together often reveals underlying issues that might not surface otherwise.
Jade Warshaw's Insights: Jade discusses the broader implications of cohabitation, citing studies that suggest couples who live together without commitment are less likely to have successful marriages. She highlights that cohabitation can sometimes signal a lack of commitment, leading to unresolved tensions.
Key Points:
Transcript Highlights:
Dave on First-Year Marriage Parallel:
"[00:20] Dave: You know, that's what marriage is like in your first year. Nobody ever tells you that. The first year of marriage is what you're experiencing."
Jade on Cohabitation Studies:
"[03:17] Jade: And was she angry at that time, too? ... There's been studies now that say that living together is ... you're least likely to have a successful marriage or even see."
Separation Recommendation: Dave Ramsey and Jade advise Jeremiah to consider living apart for a period (suggested six months) to re-evaluate the relationship dynamics without the immediate pressures of cohabitation.
Marriage Consideration: They emphasize the importance of determining whether Jeremiah genuinely wants to marry his girlfriend. If he decides against marriage, it would be fair to address his girlfriend’s desire for commitment, given her expressed interest in marriage.
Financial and Relational Counseling: The hosts recommend engaging in marriage counseling and participating in Financial Peace University to address both relational and financial issues effectively.
Transcript Highlights:
Dave's Ruling on Lease Renewal:
"[05:36] Dave: I ... the starting question was, should we renew the lease? The answer is no. I think you need to go your separate ways for six months, and let's figure you two out."
Jade on Relationship Roles and Counseling:
"[06:07] Dave: And let's see where we want to go. ... go through marriage counseling and go through Financial Peace University."
Dave Ramsey:
"[00:20] Dave: ... the first year of marriage is what you're experiencing."
Reflecting on the parallels between early marriage challenges and Jeremiah's current living situation.
Jeremiah:
"[02:15] Jeremiah: Just house things?... sometimes she'll get on me."
Highlighting the everyday conflicts that have intensified since moving in together.
Jade Warshaw:
"[03:25] Jade: ... living together is ... a lack of commitment."
Discussing the psychological impact of cohabitation on relationship commitment levels.
Dave Ramsey:
"[05:35] Jade: Yeah, make a ruling.
[05:36] Dave: I ... should not renew the lease."
Affirming the advice to separate living arrangements to reassess the relationship.
In "Continue To Live With My Girlfriend?", The Ramsey Show Highlights provides thoughtful guidance for couples navigating the complexities of cohabitation. Through Jeremiah's real-life scenario, Dave Ramsey and Jade Warshaw underscore the importance of clear commitment, effective communication, and financial responsibility in sustaining healthy relationships. Their advice to live separately temporarily allows individuals to reflect on their long-term compatibility and commitment, ensuring that both personal and financial well-being are prioritized.
Final Thought: For listeners grappling with similar relationship and financial challenges, this episode serves as a valuable resource, offering actionable steps and expert insights to foster stronger, more resilient partnerships.