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Episode: He Went From Millionaire To Broke in 8 Years
Date: January 8, 2026
Host: Ramsey Network
Guests/Speakers: Carlos (Caller), Financial Advisor (likely Dave Ramsey), Coach

Episode Overview

This episode presents a sobering case of Carlos, a janitorial business owner who went from million-dollar success to over $350,000 in debt due to tax issues, business downturn, and poor financial management. The show dives into Carlos’s struggles with back taxes, business debt, and personal hardship, offering expert advice on tackling IRS issues, prioritizing obligations, and regaining stability. The discussion is packed with practical, urgent steps, encouragement, and a call to focus on what previously worked in Carlos’s business.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Carlos’s Financial Crisis Unpacked

• Carlos’s background: Owned a thriving janitorial business, hit his first million in a couple of years, but faced a rapid downward spiral.
• Main issues:
  • Has not filed taxes or payroll taxes since 2017/2018.
  • Over $350,000 in debt: $70,000 credit cards, $30,000 commercial line of credit, $132,500 COVID SBA/EIDL loan, plus back payroll (941) and income taxes.
  • Had to lay off all employees; now works solo with a handful of clients.
  • Monthly income: $9,777; monthly expenses: $7,877.

2. The Reality of Tax Debts and Bankruptcy (03:00–05:54)

• Non-bankruptible debt: Payroll taxes (941s) and IRS income taxes cannot be discharged in bankruptcy.
• Advice on bankruptcy:
  • Bankruptcy may eliminate some debts (credit cards, lines of credit), but not payroll and many tax obligations.
  • COVID SBA loans may or may not be dischargeable—needs case-by-case review.

"Payroll taxes are not bankruptible, and neither is the IRS. So all of your taxes are going to be there if you file bankruptcy."
— Financial Advisor (03:00)

3. Immediate Action Steps for Carlos (05:03–06:41)

• First, get professional tax help:
  • Urgently sit down with a Ramsey-trusted tax professional to create a catch-up strategy on filings and owed taxes.
  • IRS usually requires three years of back filings, not every year missed.
  • Payroll taxes (941s) are extremely serious; these are IRS trust fund taxes.
• Legal risk: Not filing taxes is a criminal offense (income tax evasion).
  • Proactive action lowers risk of prosecution.

"Not paying income taxes is not a criminal offense. Not filing is a criminal offense... 2,561 people went to jail last year... But I've never in 35 years of doing this seen someone actually go get prison time... if they come forward."
— Financial Advisor (05:03–05:22)

• Debt payment priorities:
  • All cash flow above basic living expenses must go to back payroll taxes and then back IRS taxes, in that order.
  • Stop paying unsecured debts for now (credit cards, line of credit, potentially SBA loan).
  • Only consider bankruptcy if lenders attempt foreclosure or other aggressive legal action.

4. The Weight of Stress, Isolation, and Community (06:40–07:47)

• Emotional toll: Carlos acknowledges waking up stressed and anxious.
• Encouragement to seek community:
  • Advisor recommends joining a supportive church or community for emotional and spiritual resilience.
  • Emphasizes that friends and community help lessen fear and isolation during crises.

"You need some people in your life that love you regardless of how messy you are... The answer to being terrified is to be in community and have friends."
— Financial Advisor (07:08–07:40)

5. Learning from the Past and Rebuilding (07:47–08:43)

• Coach’s “homework”:
  • Reflect deeply on what was working during business success (what strategies, habits, and systems were in place).
  • Write down the successful actions and aim to recreate them.
  • Use this knowledge to regain traction and eventually dig out of debt.

"What was I doing right when we were... crushing it?... If you can get some clarity through that exercise and start to repeat that again, that's your best chance to make more money and dig yourself out of this."
— Coach (08:01–08:42)

6. Ultimate Focus: Back to Basics (08:43–End)

• Final guidance:
  • Prioritize life's essentials: food, utilities, shelter, transportation, and taxes.
  • Grow the business slowly, only after mastering back office and compliance systems.
  • The hosts offer ongoing support and an open invitation for Carlos to update them as he works through the crisis.

"Complete focus on that and complete focus on any new accounts you can add and start growing the business back again with a proper accounting system that keeps you caught up on these things. Because where you are is terrifying."
— Financial Advisor (08:43–09:08)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the seriousness of IRS payroll taxes:
  "The IRS puts that in the extremely serious bucket. Yeah, that one is, like, really scary." (04:26–04:30)
• On personal stress:
  "And you wake up in the middle of the night and you don't know why. I know it's called stress. And you're hurting... and you're scared." (06:41–06:56)
• On hope and rebuilding:
  "You've just made a mess. And you need some people in your life that love you regardless of how messy you are..." (07:12–07:20)

Segment Timestamps

• 00:07–01:39: Carlos explains his financial downfall and outlines his debts.
• 01:42–02:50: Details of current business operations, income, and expenses.
• 02:50–05:03: Deep dive into the realities of tax debt, payroll taxes, and (non)-bankruptcy options.
• 05:03–06:41: Immediate action plan: find a tax pro, prioritize IRS/payroll taxes, legal risk explained.
• 06:40–07:47: Emotional/psychological impact; encouragement to build a support network.
• 07:47–08:42: Coach’s assignment: Analyze past successes for path forward.
• 08:43–End: Emphasis on essentials and rebuilding faithfully; invitation for ongoing support.

Summary Conclusion

This episode is a crash course in how fast life can turn when financial basics slip, especially around taxes and compliance for business owners. It blends urgent, practical advice—seek immediate professional help, prioritize IRS/payroll taxes, protect essentials—with heartfelt encouragement about community and learning from past wins. Carlos’s story, raw and honest, is met with empathy, tough love, and a roadmap for recovery that’s both actionable and hopeful. This episode serves as both a warning and a beacon for anyone facing business or tax disaster.