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Sarah
You guys today is, how do I manage my husband's finances? He told me two weeks ago that he has a gambling addiction, and how do I protect myself?
Host
Wow. Well, good on. Good on him for letting you know that this is going on, and good on him for understanding that this is the best route. So in the past, did he have full control over everything? So is this completely new territory for you?
Sarah
So it is. We both have separate bank accounts, and we've been together for 11 years. So I've been wanting to, like, merge our finances a bit more together, but he was very reluctant, and now he has lost millions of dollars in the last 10 years.
Financial Advisor
Lost millions? As in he had millions and then he lost it.
Sarah
So he.
Financial Advisor
Or is he in debt because of this?
Sarah
No, So a bit of both. He has an annual revenue of 1.3 million. He's a specialist, so he makes good money. And I calculated he owes about 1.1 million that I have to pay or he has to pay in the next year or so in order to make sure that we don't get into trouble.
Host
So he is in debt to it. Are they people or are they, like, reputable?
Sarah
No, no. It is past due taxes.
Host
Okay?
Sarah
Provisional taxes. A mortgage line of credit, which I thought the house was paid, and he hasn't paid the mortgage line of credit, and he also has the personal line of credit.
Host
So how much is tax? Break it down. How much of the 1.1 is taxes? How much is the HELOC and how much is personal loans?
Sarah
Okay? So the due taxes for 2024 is 64,000.
Host
Okay?
Sarah
Provisional taxes for the upcoming year because we have to pay provisional taxes. So that's $550,000.
Host
Okay.
Sarah
The mortgage line of credit is 438,000.
Host
Okay.
Sarah
And the personal line of credit is 125.
Host
Oh, boy. Oh, boy. And this has been going on over a decade?
Sarah
Yeah, and he just told me that two weeks ago because he was like, I took over fully his finances, and he had, like, maybe a thousand dollars left in his bank account and everything was maxed, so he needed help.
Host
At this point, what level of surprise were you? Because, I mean, a decade of. I mean, obviously this guy's got a crazy yearly income, but to look up and say, hey, by the way, I have 1.1 million of debt. Did you suspect that or was this a complete shock? Tell us about you.
Sarah
So I've been doing really well for myself and financially. I grown my net worth quite drastically in the last five years. So we were both. I was so transparent telling him how much money I was putting away, and I thought he was on the same train as I was. So I was like, totally, totally shocked. And I think I'm still under the shock because this has affected me also. Even though our finances are not together, because her plans were to buy a house in Florida, our plans were to do, like I thought. I thought we were doing really well financially because I was doing really well and he was telling me he was investing too.
Host
Is he in therapy?
Sarah
Yes. So we started couples therapy. I'm doing my own therapy. He's doing therapy also for his gambling addiction.
Host
Good.
Financial Advisor
On the financial side, what. What joint accounts do you guys still have? Is your name on anything that's tied to him right now?
Sarah
No, it's never been. We've always. So he gave me full control of his finances.
Host
What does that mean?
Sarah
All his. He has no more access to his bank account. He has a Visa that we decided that we're going to keep open for, like, groceries and gas.
Financial Advisor
Is that a credit card or a debit card?
Sarah
Credit card. Credit card.
Financial Advisor
Okay. There's a problem.
Sarah
He does not have his debit card. He does not have his debit card because he was gambling online with the debit card. I guess on the site you can't purchase. You can't purchase with the Visa for gambling.
Financial Advisor
So can we get him a new debit card?
Sarah
We could.
Financial Advisor
I think that's the right move here because you still have given him unfettered access to a line of credit with this credit card.
Sarah
Okay.
Financial Advisor
So right now we need to put as many guardrails as possible in front of him, and that also means freezing his credit so that he cannot take out another loan even if he wanted to. Okay, so you can contact the bureaus. I don't know how it works in Canada. In America, we have three credit bureaus. And you can go online and freeze your credit with all three of them.
Sarah
You can.
Financial Advisor
And that way nobody could open a line of credit in his name, including himself. You'd have to jump through some hoops just to unlock that.
Host
Okay, Is he still making this income? You said revenue. I think of that as differently than profit. So is that income or does he have a business and that's his revenue?
Sarah
So he has. He's incorporated. So this is like his incorporated. So he. Every. Every month it's about $100,000. We have to pay taxes on that.
Host
Got you. Okay, got it.
Financial Advisor
So it is like a business. He's like a contractor consultant type guy.
Sarah
Exactly.
Host
And do you have now in place? Clearly there was not a plan in place to pay taxes on what he was earning. Do you have that plan in place now? Do you understand what you need to do? Is he setting aside quarterly return? I mean, here it would be quarterly returns. I'm not sure what it is there.
Sarah
It's the same here. So it is the same here. So I've only took over like two weeks ago, three weeks ago. So I have like about $90,000 in his account right now. So I, I was thinking about how do I. How do I decide what to pay first? Definitely I want to pay the taxes that are due.
Host
Yeah, I would. If you were here in the states, I would always tell you to do taxes first. What's the difference between. Tell me what are you saying? Between taxes and provisional taxes? One's payroll. One's what?
Sarah
So do taxes would be like he's. He, he owes that from 2024. Provisional taxes. If you need to pay taxes for next year because since it's such a high amount, you have to pay one year in advance in order for the government to make sure that you don't get backed up.
Host
And I imagine the backup taxes are.
Financial Advisor
The more important ones.
Host
Yeah, do the old ones first. And then once you clear those, then, yeah, start doing the prep for the next year. And then I would go, yeah, do it in order. Like the debt snowball. Personal loans first, smallest to largest. I imagine they're broken up in little pieces. And then, yeah, I'm attacking that. He lock last. How much is your home worth?
Sarah
Our home is worth 1 point.
Host
1.5.
Sarah
He has a mortgage. Yeah, he has a mortgage line of credit of 438,000, which I thought was paid because the deal was that when we moved in together, since he had such a high revenue, he was purchasing the house. Income, I should say he was purchasing the house. And then I would get, after 10 years, my name would be on it because it would be paid off. But it's not paid off.
Financial Advisor
Oh, man, Sarah, there's so much beneath this, all of the lies, the deceit, a decade of this misbehavior. I hope you guys work through it. I hope you clean up the debt. I hope this marriage has hope.
Host
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Podcast Summary: "How Do I Protect Myself From My Husband’s Addiction?"
Podcast Information:
The episode centers around Sarah, who reaches out for guidance on managing her husband's newfound gambling addiction and the substantial financial repercussions it has brought upon their lives. Two weeks prior to the conversation, Sarah's husband disclosed his gambling addiction, prompting Sarah to seek advice on protecting herself and their finances.
Notable Quote:
“How do I manage my husband's finances? He told me two weeks ago that he has a gambling addiction, and how do I protect myself?”
— Sarah [00:11]
Sarah reveals the depth of the financial turmoil her husband has caused over the past decade. Despite both maintaining separate bank accounts for their 11-year relationship, Sarah had been attempting to merge their finances more closely. Her husband’s reluctance led to a decade-long accumulation of debt amounting to approximately $1.1 million.
Key Financial Details:
Notable Quotes:
“He has an annual revenue of 1.3 million. He's a specialist, so he makes good money. And I calculated he owes about 1.1 million that I have to pay or he has to pay in the next year or so in order to make sure that we don't get into trouble.”
— Sarah [01:02]
“Lost millions? As in he had millions and then he lost it.”
— Financial Advisor [00:55]
Upon discovering the extent of his gambling, Sarah and her husband have taken steps to address both the addiction and the financial fallout. They have commenced couples therapy, with both parties engaging in individual therapy sessions to tackle the addiction.
Notable Quote:
“He's doing therapy also for his gambling addiction.”
— Sarah [03:36]
A financial advisor joins the discussion to provide expert advice on mitigating the financial damage and safeguarding Sarah's interests.
Restricting Access to Funds:
Credit Freezing:
Debt Prioritization:
Managing Provisional Taxes:
Sarah has recently taken over her husband's finances, leaving her with approximately $90,000 in his account. She is contemplating the best course of action to address the immediate financial obligations, primarily focusing on clearing the most pressing tax debts before moving on to other liabilities.
Notable Quote:
“I've only took over like two weeks ago, three weeks ago. So I have like about $90,000 in his account right now. So I, I was thinking about how do I decide what to pay first? Definitely I want to pay the taxes that are due.”
— Sarah [05:35]
The revelation has left Sarah deeply shocked, especially since she had been transparent about her own financial stability and believed they were aligned in their financial goals. The decade-long concealment of debt by her husband has not only caused financial strain but also emotional distress, challenging the trust and future plans of their marriage.
Notable Quote:
“I was totally, totally shocked. And I think I'm still under the shock because this has affected me also.”
— Sarah [02:52]
The episode concludes with a mix of concern and hope. The financial advisor expresses empathy for Sarah's situation, acknowledging the long-term deceit and its impact. The discussion underscores the importance of stringent financial controls and professional guidance in navigating such crises. The couple's commitment to therapy offers a pathway toward healing and rebuilding trust.
Final Thoughts:
“Sarah, there's so much beneath this, all of the lies, the deceit, a decade of this misbehavior. I hope you guys work through it. I hope you clean up the debt. I hope this marriage has hope.”
— Financial Advisor [07:25]
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