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Episode Title: I Found Out My Co-Worker Makes More Money Than Me (She’s Lower Level)
Air Date: November 7, 2025
Hosts: Dave Ramsey & George Kamel
Caller: Senior Graphic Designer (anonymous)

Episode Overview

This episode tackles a common and emotionally charged workplace dilemma: discovering a colleague at a lower job level is earning a higher salary. The caller, a senior graphic designer, seeks advice on how to address the pay disparity with her manager. Dave Ramsey and George Kamel provide pragmatic strategies, encourage a mindset of curiosity and collaboration, and explore the complexities of salary transparency, negotiation, and professional growth.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Discovery and Its Emotional Impact

• The Scenario:

  • The caller (senior graphic designer) learns her lower-level co-worker (regular graphic designer) earns $80,000, while she earns $68,000.
  • Caller is unsure how to bring up the issue without implicating her co-worker or appearing too emotional.
  • [00:06] Caller: "My co worker... makes 80,000 and I make 68,000. And I'm wondering, how can I discuss this with my manager without throwing her under the bus?"

• Salary Transparency Culture:

  • Dave acknowledges open conversations about salary are increasingly common, especially among younger employees.
  • [00:46] Dave Ramsey: "It's all the rage among the youth is the new salary, transparency... We should all be talking all the time about how much we make and like fighting and like, unionize, you know, So I get it."

2. How to Approach Management About Pay Disparities

• Framing the Conversation:

  • Don't lead with accusations or gossip. Instead, focus on curiosity and seek to understand how pay is structured.
  • Dave suggests asking about growth plans and how roles are valued.
  • [01:07] Dave Ramsey: "I think you need to bring it up in a way that's like, hey, like, I found this information out, and I'm just curious how you guys look at valuing these positions..."

• Be Tactful and Logical:

  • Manage emotions privately before meeting with leadership.
  • [02:08] Dave Ramsey: "Just opening and say, hey, I need to have an uncomfortable conversation and I would leave as much emotion as you can out of it, which is hard. So I would like do your venting privately and then walk in there with a lot of logic..."

• Consider Circumstances and Other Benefits:

  • George urges curiosity, pointing out unseen factors like individual benefit packages or different negotiated deals.
  • [02:34] George Kamel: "Maybe your co worker said no on another benefit to get a bigger, to get more money in their pocket. Like there's different ways that people could have negotiated their salary..."

• Warning Against Resentment:

  • If management responds poorly, consider looking elsewhere for opportunities. Avoid harboring long-term resentment if feeling undervalued.
  • [01:56] Dave Ramsey: "If they treat this callously, I think that's also a sign that you need to go elsewhere."

3. The Limits and Downsides of Comparison

• On Raises and Expectations:

  • Caller reveals only two raises in over five years, one of which was a cost of living bump.
  • [03:28] Caller: "I've gotten one raise and well, two raises in five and a half years."

• The Comparison Trap:

  • Happiness with salary can turn to discontent when learning about others’ pay. This can foster resentment.
  • [04:35] Dave Ramsey: "That's why the comparison game of salary, it's never going to be like, oh, great, we're making the exact same amount... It just always turns into one person being resentful and upset."

4. Navigating the Conversation About Salary Knowledge

• Admitting How You Know:

  • Dave recommends honesty and modesty about finding out, but not blaming others for sharing.
  • [05:13] Dave Ramsey: "I think it's honest to say, hey, I heard this, like, through the grapevine... but you don't need to say they told me."

• Owning the Conversation:

  • George advises owning up to knowing information you “probably shouldn’t,” but not overdoing the explanation.
  • [05:34] George Kamel: "I'd own that and say, listen, this is probably information I shouldn't know, but I became aware of it..."

5. Advice for Next Steps & Personal Growth

• Considering Alternatives:

  • If the company seems indifferent, quietly begin a job search while giving the process time.
  • [05:58] Dave Ramsey: "If you feel like this is the case and they haven't been looking at it and been ignoring it... I would also be looking for other positions."

• Collaborative, Curious Mindset:

  • Frame questions to managers as seeking understanding and future growth, not as demands.
  • [04:35] Dave Ramsey: "Approaching it in a collaborative way, in a curious way of just going, hey, help me understand why this is and what a growth plan would be like..."

6. Memorable Quotes & Reflections

• On Emotional Triggers of Pay Transparency:
  • [04:30] Caller: "I was happy with what I was making until I found out that information."
• On Attitude vs. Outcome:
  • [07:52] Dave Ramsey: "It's like your attitude towards it makes all the difference."
• On the Perennial Nature of Wanting More:
  • [07:35] Dave Ramsey: "Well, I think there's just a level of it's never going to be as fast as you want, and you're always going to feel like, well, I deserve more."
• On Professional Growth:
  • Dave shares personal experience growing through several roles, not always at the pace he wanted.
  • [06:57] Dave Ramsey: "I've been at Ramsey, you know, 12 years now. And I've had six jobs... I haven't grown physically, but I have grown a lot emotionally."

Notable Moments & Timestamps

• 00:06–00:55: Caller explains her situation and Dave acknowledges the new normal of salary transparency.
• 01:07–02:08: Dave outlines how to approach the conversation with management using curiosity and tact.
• 02:34–03:24: George gives context about unseen salary factors and cautions against overreacting.
• 03:28–03:46: Discussion about the caller's raise history and timing the conversation around annual reviews.
• 04:30–04:35: Caller expresses the emotional trigger of learning about co-worker’s salary.
• 05:07–05:58: Advice on how to admit knowing about another’s pay and potential next steps if dissatisfaction remains.
• 06:47–07:46: Dave and George reflect on personal experiences of growth, frustration, and attitude in their careers.

Conclusion

The episode provides practical advice for anyone troubled by a salary disparity with a colleague, especially when combined with the emotional complexity of salary transparency. The key themes are to approach management with logic and curiosity, avoid impulsive confrontation, and address valid feelings while also considering personal growth and possibly new opportunities. Both Dave and George reinforce that attitude and process are as crucial as the outcome in salary negotiations and career development.

Memorable quote to close:
"It's like your attitude towards it makes all the difference." — Dave Ramsey [07:52]