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Episode Title: I Owe $62,000 On A Leased HVAC System
Date: November 13, 2025
Hosts: Dave Ramsey (A)
Caller: Unnamed Federal Retiree (B)
Theme: Evaluating the Cost and Payoff Strategy for a $62,000 HVAC Lease

Episode Overview

This episode features a caller seeking advice after discovering that her leased HVAC (heating, ventilation, and air conditioning) system will cost her over $62,000 after ten years—a financial burden she hadn’t anticipated. Dave Ramsey walks through the lease’s unusual terms, questions its ethics, and advises on the best financial path forward. The episode also delves into the pitfalls of equipment leasing and predatory business practices, especially those targeting vulnerable populations like military personnel.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Understanding the Problem: A Shocking HVAC Lease

• Caller’s Situation:
  • Paid off her debts (Baby Step 2) but has an HVAC lease totaling $62,000 over ten years.
  • Wants to know whether to pay it off aggressively, ride out the lease, or treat it differently in her financial plan.
  • Recently recovered from a cancer diagnosis, delaying her focus on this issue.
• Dave’s Initial Reaction (00:36):
  • Surprised that HVAC system leases exist and are legal—“Sounds like you got [the] Attorney General” involved.

2. Legal and Contractual Insights

• Legality and Commonality (00:44):
  • Caller confirms the practice is legal and widespread across the US; checked with the Better Business Bureau and local consumer protection.
• Buyout Provision Analysis (01:11):
  • Most equipment leases have an early buyout provision; typically, the cost to terminate a lease early should be less than the sum of remaining payments.
• Caller’s Situation:
  • Early buyout for $47,000 after paying $15,000 (01:23).

3. Ethics and Predatory Leasing Practices

• Dave’s Strong Views (01:35, 03:47):
  • Expresses outrage: "This is thievery. It's theft."
  • Suggests such companies prey on vulnerable populations, possibly military families stationed in areas like Clarksville.
  • Memorable quote:

    “These may be morons that are preying on our military people. ... If your son is out there, mom, and his new job is selling heat and air leases, tell him don't be a crook and go do something else with his life.” (03:47)

4. Recommended Action Steps (01:51, 02:43, 03:29)

• Re-examine Lease Terms:
  • Advises caller to have the lease reviewed again, specifically regarding the buyout clause—there might be an opportunity for a lower early buyout.
• How to Pay It Off:
  • If a discount exists for early payoff: Save payments in a dedicated account, then pay off in one lump sum for any savings.
  • If no discount: Treat the lease like a second mortgage and prioritize other financial goals (since current buyout is more than half the caller’s annual income).
• Place in Baby Steps System:
  • With a fixed income of $2,400/month and a mortgage at 2.25% interest, Dave says the caller should pay off the HVAC lease in Baby Step 6 (pay off your house early), after other higher-priority debts (03:29).
  • “When a home equity loan or a second mortgage of any kind is more than half your annual income, we move it to baby step six.” (04:06)

5. Broader Financial Education: The True Cost of Leasing

• Comparison to Auto Leasing (05:00 – End):
  • Dave details the hidden costs of leasing, specifically noting that leases on cars (and likely HVAC systems) result in borrowers paying the highest effective interest rates—often 14–17%—even though these rates are not openly disclosed (06:00).
  • Main takeaway:

    “On a lease, you don't have to [disclose the APR] because lease is not technically borrowing money, but you can run out, but it is borrowing money... Every time I do it, it comes out between 14 and 17%.” (06:15)

• Career Advice with a Gritty Twist (04:50 – 05:40):
  • Dave recounts telling a caller’s son who operated payday loan stores to "sell them and quit being scum" and criticizes business models that oppress the poor and vulnerable, referencing biblical principles.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Predatory Leasing Practices:

  • “This is thievery. It's theft.” — Caller (01:35)
  • “I've never seen a heat and air one. So I don't know. My God. Honey.” — Dave (01:51)
  • “These may be morons that are preying on our military people. ... Tell [your son] don't be a crook and go do something else with his life.” — Dave (03:47)

• On Leasing Math:

  • “So you can take a financial calculator... When you put those [lease numbers] into a financial calculator, you can figure out what the effective cost of capital is. ... Every time I do it, it comes out between 14 and 17%.” — Dave (06:00)

• Ethical Financial Living:

  • “Don't be scummy. And then you're safe on the show about you.” — Dave (05:40)

Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:36: Caller describes the $62,000 HVAC lease problem
• 01:14: Buyout provision details; $47,000 buyout remaining
• 01:51: Dave questions the contract and recommends re-checking for better terms
• 02:43: Dave explains the best way to save and pay off the lease
• 03:29: Analysis of where the lease payoff fits into Baby Steps
• 03:47: Discussion about predatory practices targeting military and ethical business
• 05:00: Dave's broader take on the pitfalls of leasing (cars, HVAC, etc.)
• 06:00: Detailed explanation about the true cost of leases and hidden interest
• 06:15: Notable comparison to APRs on traditional loans
• 05:40: Dave’s blunt advice on not being "scummy" in business

Episode Tone and Takeaways

The tone is frank, direct, and at times indignant—especially regarding unethical business practices targeting vulnerable consumers. Listeners are warned about the dangers of leasing expensive equipment, encouraged to thoroughly review contract terms, and coached on how to prioritize such debt within a larger financial plan. Throughout, Dave uses memorable rhetoric and practical analogies to make the lessons stick.

For listeners:
If you’ve never considered the real cost of an equipment lease—or if you’re tempted by “simple” monthly payment offers—this episode is an essential reality check. Dave Ramsey’s guidance is clear: investigate every financial contract, know your rights, and never forget to factor in the long-term (often hidden) costs before you sign.