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Caller/Guest
I had a net worth north of the seven figure mark. Around, I want to say, a month and a half ago. Made some poor decisions, led to a significant downturn in my net worth. Downsizing everything. Trying to just reframe my mindset and decide the next steps to go from here.
Dave Ramsey
That was pretty vague. So you had like a million dollars?
Caller/Guest
Yeah, yeah, I'd probably run 1.9 million.
Dave Ramsey
1.9 million. Okay. And what'd you do that screwed it up?
Caller/Guest
Gambling. Lifestyle inflation.
Dave Ramsey
Lifestyle inflation.
Caller/Guest
Yeah, I mean, partying, doing the whole. The whole nine yards.
Dave Ramsey
Okay, so what did you buy?
Caller/Guest
I mean, it was more so just going out, traveling, clubbing, bottles, cars, airbnbs. It was poor decisions. And then a lot of gambling, I think.
Co-host/Interviewer
What kind of games?
Dave Ramsey
So what. What drug, what kind of drugs were you doing?
Caller/Guest
I mean, it was more so just like cocaine. Yeah, the. The whole nine yards, just like. Okay, yeah.
Dave Ramsey
So have you been to rehab yet? Huh?
Caller/Guest
I. I've not, no. I think I didn't have necessarily a drug problem. It was more so just.
Dave Ramsey
Oh, no, you have a drug problem. There's no question. It was all in. It was all in your story. I heard it. You definitely have a drug problem and you definitely have a gambling problem, and you definitely have a lot of problems. So what are we doing to fix the problems?
Caller/Guest
Well, I did start going to gambling or going to therapy for gambling specifically. That was like the main step. And then downsized a lot of my life, cut back on majority of my expenses, just reframing, everything, going from there.
Dave Ramsey
Okay, so what did you, or do you do for a living?
Caller/Guest
I did a lot of marketing and crypto.
Co-host/Interviewer
Okay, Are you still doing that?
Caller/Guest
Yeah, I just recently stopped after this last hit. Lost kind of all motivation.
Co-host/Interviewer
So do you have a full time job or are you just playing with crypto as kind of another form of gambling and you've made some money doing it?
Caller/Guest
I mean, I said I was making around five to six figures every month consistently for the last XYZ or xx, but I'm also in college, so this was all just a side time thing. That was working out really well, I guess.
Dave Ramsey
How old are you, honey?
Caller/Guest
I'm 20.
Dave Ramsey
20?
Caller/Guest
Yep. Okay.
Dave Ramsey
All right. So you. You chased the rainbow and it didn't bring you happiness? Is that the moral of the story?
Caller/Guest
Yeah, I would say that. I mean, the money was. It was nice, but it wasn't necessarily my fulfillment.
Dave Ramsey
Well, it led you. It led you to a life that was just out of control and not fun. It was. It was supposed to be fun, but at the end of the day, it just looked like a stupid kid losing all his money and snorting cocaine. When you look back on it, that's got to be what you see.
Caller/Guest
Yeah, 100%. I don't condone any of the actions, nor do I think that it was the smartest decision at the time.
Dave Ramsey
So where I'm going is. Is that I don't know what drove you to get to that point, but, Yeah, okay, so what would I tell my son if he was 20 years old and called me and was in the exact situation? It sounds like you need a complete reset of what you think life is about, and someone told you that it was about getting a lot of money quickly and easily and that you're smart and that you could do that and then you could go do anything you wanted to do. And so the good news is you got hedonism out of your system really early in your life. The bad news is it cost you a couple million dollars to do it. And so, you know, I would take you from Wolf of Wall street to a monk. I'd go the other end of the spectrum and just go, I'm just going to be a boring, calm, steady guy, which is the opposite of everything you have been. In order to reset your brain and reset your spirit, I'd plug into a good local church. And one of the things I had to assess, and I kind of smell it here, I'm not sure if I do, and you can correct me if you want to, I don't care. When I went broke in my 20s, when one of the things I figured out was I wasn't as hot as I thought I was, it pretty much took my little ego and ground it under a boot. Because I'm pretty smart. And I was doing some pretty smart, high leverage, fun things. Nothing like you've done. But, I mean, I had it going. And then when I hit the wall and the car just disintegrated and the NASCAR wrecked the engines up in the stands. Right. I mean, this thing's just gone. One of the things I had to come to grips with is wasn't as hot as I thought I was, and that helped me reset, and I settled way down into a more psychologically and spiritually healthy rhythm to reset my life. And I think that's what I want for you, because I like you.
Caller/Guest
Yeah, no, I think I wholeheartedly agree. I mean, yeah, during this whole span, especially the flats hit I think I became insanely depressed. I was definitely going through an episode. Like, it was terrible. I mean, I was flying. I was spending 100k at the club. I'd fly back, then I'd go gamble like 500,000 at a point. I was playing like multiple six figure hands. Like what I see is 1.9. It means that was floating, obviously. I mean, I'd have wins, I'd have losses, and this also including my cash flow, but I was very cash flow heavy.
Co-host/Interviewer
Why do you even need money right now as a college kid?
Caller/Guest
I mean, I think.
Dave Ramsey
Are you in college?
Caller/Guest
I don't necessarily. Yeah, I'm in college. I mean, I don't think it was necessarily about.
Co-host/Interviewer
What are you studying?
Caller/Guest
Marketing. Well, I was. Yeah, marketing. Okay.
Co-host/Interviewer
You've been going to classes and completing all the assignments.
Caller/Guest
I did until this last year. I think I went off the rails this last year. Yeah. Okay.
Dave Ramsey
Well, I. Yeah, the behaviors got you into the mess. And to get. I would go to the opposite end of the behaviors to create healing. And so look at every one of the behaviors and what are the roots of each of the behaviors and how can I avoid those? So one of the things I fell for that you did as well is get rich quick. And I thought, I'm smart enough, I can do this, I can build wealth quickly and easily. Other people don't know how to do it. I'm quick enough with numbers. I can do this, I can pull this off. And that's what I did. Not at the scale you. Well, actually the scale you did. I had better net worth than you had, but at 23. But. But I lost it all because I built a house of cards. And, you know, I wasn't playing long ball. Everything was short ball. Everything was just get on base, just get on base. And there was no infinite game. There was no eternity thought. There was no thought of heaven. There was no thought of other people matter. It was simply get the thing done. Get the thing done. Turn the deal. Turn the deal. And so I had to go to the other end of the spectrum when I went broke. And I had the benefit of losing everything and going bankrupt. And I got the opportunity to start over. I met God on the way up, Jacob. I got to know him on the way down. And you desperately need to get to know him right now. It's your only shot out of this. So I check into a great church in the area, start talking to some of the businessmen in that church that love Jesus and let them talk to you about how to reform what a man really is inside of you. Create your free every dollar budget today the simplest way to budget for your life.
Date: April 1, 2026
Host: Dave Ramsey (Ramsey Network and co-host/interviewer)
Guest: 20-year-old anonymous caller
This episode centers on a frank conversation with a 20-year-old caller who lost nearly $2 million through a combination of gambling, partying, lifestyle inflation, and drug use. Dave Ramsey and his co-host delve into the rapid rise and fall of the young caller’s fortune, focusing on the psychological, spiritual, and behavioral shifts required for true recovery and renewed purpose. The tone is direct, compassionate, and candid, mixing hard truths with empathy and practical advice.
Caller’s Background:
Lifestyle Details:
Addiction and Self-Awareness:
Behavioral Reset and Spiritual Guidance:
Advice for Recovery:
Caller’s Mindset:
Ramsey’s Lesson:
On the Reality of Hitting Rock Bottom:
On Ego and Humility:
On Resetting Life:
On the Danger of Fast Money:
Blunt and deeply honest, with a mix of hard-nosed financial advice and compassionate mentorship. The hosts avoid judgement for its own sake, using both personal anecdotes and clear-eyed advice to steer their young caller towards humility, discipline, and spiritual recovery.
For those who haven’t listened: This episode is a frank cautionary tale of how quickly fast money and unchecked lifestyle habits can spiral out of control—and a hopeful nudge toward starting over with humility, intention, and support.