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Tax Professional
Okay, so I'm a tax professional. I'm an enrolled agent. Recently on the news, I've been hearing that in order to reduce government inefficiencies and the Trump and team might remove income taxes and replace them with tariffs. That's all good, you know, that's okay. But for a tax professional, how would I. I'm 33 years old. I have like about 5 years experience in the field. How would I facilitate a career change if that were to happen? I don't think it might happen, but just in case it does, well, you.
Dave Ramsey
Figure out what your talents and passions were that drew you into this in the first place. So I'm guessing you're like me. You're a bit of a math nerd. You're quick with details. Your mind grasps decision making, flowcharts on things like taxes. And so, you know, that tells me you need to move towards accounting.
Tax Professional
Yeah, yeah. Maybe some other things in a county that are not taxes. Like maybe audit.
Dave Ramsey
Exactly, exactly. And book, you know, private accounting. Yeah. And. Or finance of all kinds. And so your mind naturally goes there. And you know what, I'm with you. I don't see this as a high probability. In the near future there could be a trend in that direction. It could take a while. The chances on, you know, three days after he is sworn in that you don't have a job or zero. So you're okay. We don't have to worry about this today. But what it does do, it's interesting for you personally is it kind of gives you that wake up call to go, hey, maybe I want to do something with my life that's more than just taxes. Maybe I want to broaden my horizons.
Tax Professional
Yeah, I've been in the field and my. The whole time I've been in the field, I was thinking that there's only two things that are true is death in taxes. Well, now we know one of them might not be true.
Dave Ramsey
Well, it might be true. It'll just take a different form. And so the. But again, the talents that you have, the way your mind works easily for you and hard for others, it takes you towards detail and towards finance and accounting. And so, you know, you might sit for your CPA dude. You might, you might move, might go ahead. And this is just a thing that says, hey, time for me to take the next step in my career, regardless of Trump, regardless of what they do. We're not going to sit and wait around in the white House to fix or destroy our lives. Either one. We're just going to go with our lives. What's the right thing to do? And so maybe this is just God giving you a little nudge.
Co-host
Say you need to get some education, some skills and maybe expand the horizons a bit.
Dave Ramsey
I would. I think it'd be good for your practice anyway because right now you've got a very seasonal thing that you work like a maniac and then you're off the rest of the year basically. I mean, 90% down. And so it's not like September's big in the tax prep business, you know. So, you know, we do a little work around this time of year in the tax prep business. Cause people are getting ready for year end stuff, especially small business people. Those kinds of things are some moves you can make right now. You need to check with your tax pro right now, baby. But by and large, you know, you got this sprint in the first quarter, takes you down to April 15th or so and may spill over into May with some late filings and stuff. But after that you're just kind of out. So I'd be looking for something to supplement anyway.
Co-host
Absolutely. And maybe find a niche. You might find you like working with a certain type of client and that might be your specialty that you dive into.
Dave Ramsey
Yeah, we've got tax elps, people that we endorse to do taxes, endorse local providers, thousands of them all across America. And we are not advising them to prepare for their business to end.
Co-host
Yeah, I'd turn off the news if you're getting paralyzed by that.
Dave Ramsey
Yeah. Again, I have no idea any more than anybody else what the new president's going to do, but it's going to be a bit. It's going to be a bit. Things move slower than that. I don't think you're going to get a call one day and go, whoop, there's no income tax. Although on a personal note, it wouldn't piss me off at all if there was just suddenly no income tax. I'd be going, oh wow. I get to. You mean, you mean all the things that, the money that I make helping people, I get to keep the money that I made.
Co-host
That's right. And it's not triple taxed instead of.
Dave Ramsey
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Co-host
Have you ever thought about that though? When you get. You're taxed on your income, you then use that money, it's taxed again and then the person who gets that money pays taxes on the money they get as the business owners. It just keeps going.
Dave Ramsey
And then when you die, they tax you again.
Co-host
The death tax on your estate. So just an endless taxation of the dollar.
Dave Ramsey
Yeah. It's just. Yeah, I have thought about it.
Co-host
Am I turning into a boomer?
Dave Ramsey
You are. You've been sitting next to one for too long. And the spirit of rage is leaving my body and moving into yours.
Co-host
Oh, no. Soon I'm yelling at kids to get off my lawn.
Dave Ramsey
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The Ramsey Show Highlights: "I’m Afraid I’m Going To Lose My Job When Trump Returns to Office"
Release Date: December 23, 2024
Host: Ramsey Network
Duration: Approximately 5 minutes
In this episode of The Ramsey Show Highlights, Dave Ramsey and his co-host engage in a thoughtful discussion with a Tax Professional concerned about potential changes in the tax landscape should Donald Trump return to office. The conversation delves into the implications of such political shifts on career stability and explores strategies for adapting to a changing economic environment.
The episode begins with a Tax Professional expressing unease about recent news suggesting that the Trump administration may consider eliminating income taxes in favor of tariffs. This shift, while seemingly positive, poses significant challenges for professionals whose careers are deeply entrenched in the current tax system.
Tax Professional:
"I'm an enrolled agent... How would I facilitate a career change if that were to happen?"
([00:07] - [00:42])
Dave Ramsey advises the Tax Professional to reflect on the skills and passions that initially drew them to the field. He emphasizes leveraging their strong analytical abilities and attention to detail—traits essential in tax management—to transition smoothly into related areas such as accounting or finance.
Dave Ramsey:
"Figure out what your talents and passions were that drew you into this in the first place."
([00:42])
He further suggests exploring niches within accounting, like auditing or private accounting, to broaden their professional horizons and reduce dependency on the volatile tax preparation sector.
Ramsey underscores the importance of not relying solely on the current political climate for career stability. He encourages proactive career development, highlighting that even if tax reforms occur, they are unlikely to materialize overnight.
Dave Ramsey:
"We're not going to sit and wait around in the white House to fix or destroy our lives. Either one. We're just going to go with our lives. What's the right thing to do?"
([01:52] - [02:43])
The discussion also touches on the seasonal nature of tax preparation work, suggesting the Tax Professional seek supplementary income streams or specialize in a particular client niche to ensure year-round stability.
Co-host:
"Maybe find a niche. You might find you like working with a certain type of client and that might be your specialty that you dive into."
([03:33] - [03:40])
The conversation shifts to a broader reflection on the nature of taxation. Dave Ramsey humorously contemplates the idea of eliminating income taxes, noting the multiple layers of taxation that currently exist—from personal income to business taxes and estate taxes.
Dave Ramsey:
"I'd be going, oh wow. I get to. You mean, you mean all the things that, the money that I make helping people, I get to keep the money that I made."
([03:59] - [04:33])
The co-host adds to the discourse by highlighting the complexities and frustrations of the existing tax system, referring to it as an "endless taxation of the dollar."
Co-host:
"The death tax on your estate. So just an endless taxation of the dollar."
([04:37] - [04:48])
Ramsey and his co-host engage in light-hearted banter about generational perspectives on taxation, ultimately reinforcing the importance of adaptability and continuous professional growth regardless of political changes.
Co-host:
"Am I turning into a boomer?"
([04:54] - [05:09])
Dave Ramsey ([00:42]):
"Figure out what your talents and passions were that drew you into this in the first place."
Tax Professional ([00:07] - [00:42]):
"How would I facilitate a career change if that were to happen?"
Co-host ([03:33] - [03:40]):
"Maybe find a niche. You might find you like working with a certain type of client and that might be your specialty that you dive into."
Dave Ramsey ([04:33]):
"I'd be going, oh wow. I get to. You mean, you mean all the things that, the money that I make helping people, I get to keep the money that I made."
The episode serves as a valuable resource for professionals concerned about economic and political shifts impacting their careers. Dave Ramsey's pragmatic advice emphasizes the importance of:
Ultimately, the conversation encourages listeners to take control of their career trajectories, advocating for proactive measures over reactive anxiety in the face of potential political and economic changes.
The Ramsey Show Highlights effectively combines expert advice with relatable scenarios, offering actionable strategies for listeners navigating uncertain professional landscapes. This particular episode underscores the importance of adaptability and continuous growth, reinforcing Dave Ramsey's core philosophy of financial and personal empowerment.