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Jana
Hi. Well, I'm making this phone call a little earlier than I anticipated. My husband and I have worked really hard and paid off our home. Will have paid off our home this January. We have our last like $5,000 left on our home and we'll be paid at the end of the month.
Rachel
Oh my gosh.
Jana
Jana doing our.
Rachel
That's amazing. I mean, paid off, never everything.
Jana
Yeah, just 5,000 left. However, I'm really. Actually, I wish I could be celebrating and I'm so upset right now. My husband just left our home at 3 o'clock this morning to drive across the country to buy a brand new truck. I guess this is his way of celebrating. We haven't even done it yet. Unfortunately, we're gonna have to take out a car loan for a brand new truck that he is traveling across the country for. And I'm just so angry and also hurt. This is not something I agreed on.
Dave Ramsey
This is a total surprise.
Jana
I just. I just feel. I'm so mad and angry. Upset.
Dave Ramsey
Yeah.
Jana
And what a big, you know, what a big accomplishment we had. And now we're just. I feel like we're just that clean slate that we have is just being pounded on with another. With more debt.
Dave Ramsey
Okay, so was he on board all this time? Like he's been with you?
Jana
Yeah, we've been. We are the dream team. Yes. I don't know. What.
Rachel
When did you find out about this car purchase? Was this like yesterday?
Jana
Forever? Like forever. He wants his port, you know, the Raptor, like Dave Ramsey and.
Dave Ramsey
Oh, this. Oh.
Jana
And so I always am like after our house is paid off. After our house is paid off. After our house is paid off. And, and obviously when we can afford it. Right. Not taking out a loan. And he just.
Dave Ramsey
Okay, so if I heard you right, okay, so if I heard you right, he got up this morning at 3:00am today and, and, and told you, hey, I'm heading out. And you say, I mean this, please don't.
Rachel
And he says, you don't even know. He.
Dave Ramsey
He doesn't discuss this at all. He just literally says, matter of fact, I'm going across the country to get a raptor like Dave Ramsey.
Jana
I mean, we've had lots of talks on this truck and he knows I don't agree. And he says, I'll never agree. I don't handle. Well, big purchases. Well, I just paid off a $300,000 home I can handle. Big purchases I just can handle.
Dave Ramsey
Oh, so. So okay, you Got to give us a little bit more here. I'm sorry. I'm going to dig a little bit, Rachel. Okay, that's fine. All right, so this conversation, he's been on board and paying off the house and the debt and the baby steps, but how long has the. I'm going to go into debt for a raptor? How long has that conversation been going on? And when was the last time it was had before 3am this morning.
Jana
Right. So maybe for the past two months. He's like, I'm just gonna do it. I don't care what it takes.
Dave Ramsey
And you say, I know.
Jana
I'm not. I'm not. I'm not on board with you. Not at all. I don't agree.
Dave Ramsey
Okay. So while today was the day, he'd been kind of tipping his hand that he was going to go do this and I'm going to go get a loan. How big is the loan?
Jana
Well, I probably. Well, he's going to trade in his truck. We had another $30,000, and I think it'll be around 30,000.
Dave Ramsey
And how much is left on the house again? Five.
Jana
Yeah. So I really, in the big scheme of things, will pay it off quickly. I'm just angry.
Rachel
How much. How much you got? Well, yeah, I mean, it's. It's, it's. Yeah. And the anger and the hurt comes from not being heard at all. And that your opinion doesn't matter, that there's no pause in the person you're doing life with, your partner, your spouse, that there's no back and forth. It's this, like, dominant I. One way. And, you know, I'm not going to listen to you. I'm going to do what I want to do that is hurtful in anything. Right. And this could be a husband calling us and his wife's like, I don't care. I'm going to go do what I want to do. Like, I mean, it doesn't, you know, it's not a. Look, you know, a wife, husband thing. It's a. It's a spouse. Right. Like, you're.
Dave Ramsey
You're Rachel and I commiserate with you. We're here to listen, here to encourage you. But I can tell you right now, this is a. This is a marriage therapy session or two or three or six. No, I'm serious.
Jana
That's how I feel today for sure. I just.
Rachel
Does this sound like Kim Jana? I'm curious.
Jana
The.
Rachel
I'm like, is this. Oh, yeah, I could see him doing this.
Jana
I. I can't believe he's Driving across country for this?
Rachel
Well, not that, but I'm just saying. Not listening to you. Not the actual idea of buying a truck, but this idea that he would go make a decision that you so adamantly do not want him to make, and he still makes it. Yeah. Does that happen in other parts of your marriage?
Jana
Not at all. We have a great marriage and great relationship.
Dave Ramsey
Yeah. You know. You know what I think? I think this guy has been on board, and he was like, okay, this all makes a lot of sense. But what also makes sense is after we do all this, we can handle the truck payment, and I'm gonna go do it. He's been telegraphing this for months.
Rachel
Yeah. How much you guys make a year?
Jana
I brought in, I think, 137 last year, and he haven't finished up his yet, but it's between 140 and 145.
Dave Ramsey
Yeah.
Rachel
Yeah.
Dave Ramsey
I don't think this is a crisis based on what I'm hearing, but I do think this is a. This is a marital. No, listen, I. I'm trying to validate your feelings. Everything you're feeling, I completely understand. And I. I completely understand, you know, why you're feeling that. I think you should feel that. But I don't think that there's only so much. And. And I'm saying this philosophically, you know, there's only so much, Rachel, I can do today other than say, man, we feel you. I don't think that's right. I don't think it's a good marriage move. Should have talked it through. Should have come up with an alternative plan. He knows how much this means to you. But then I will also say the reason that. Why I believe you guys need to sit with a marriage therapist is because I can also see. I don't agree with his action at all. But I think I'm seeing a window into this. This dude, and I think he thinks it's justified. And I. Here's what I would say, not knowing him at all, and if I met him for the first time, I said, hey, Jana just called me on the show, and she told me what happened. Hey, listen, bro, I don't think you think that's as big a deal as it is. It's a big deal.
Rachel
I think he's. He's minimized it.
Dave Ramsey
I think so. And I think he's.
Rachel
Because he's justified and because he makes almost 300,000.
Dave Ramsey
Crunch numbers. We're paid off the house. We have no debt.
Rachel
We'll pay it off in two months or whatever. Like yeah.
Dave Ramsey
In his mind. And I'm not defending him.
Rachel
No.
Dave Ramsey
But I am trying to make maybe Janet, you feel a little bit better. I think this is a situation where he is completely unaware of how he is truly making you feel.
Jana
Yeah.
Dave Ramsey
I think he's clueless and I'm not insulting him. I'm saying we are all that way in relationships at times where we are in a place where we're not healthy enough or we're not attached enough that we don't realize what we're doing.
Rachel
Yeah. In the truck conversations that you guys have been having in the last few months, Jana, have you seen said, I would love for you to get this truck, let's map it out. And in May, let's take a road trip and go pick up this truck together. I'm so excited for this truck for you. Like, have you, did you have any excitement and celebratory towards this truck for him at any level?
Jana
No, Rachel, I did not.
Rachel
Okay. No, that's fair. I, I appreciate, I appreciate your honesty. I appreciate your honesty.
Jana
Yeah.
Rachel
So I think that's the, the, I think that's gonna be the relational rub that you guys are feeling, is he doesn't feel.
Jana
Yeah.
Rachel
I'm assuming we're all guessing here that you, that you are so gung ho on this, you don't want to spend any money. You're fear based, you're scarcity minded. Life is fine. We make $300,000 a year. In the grand scheme of things, yes. In six months, none of this is gonna matter. Jana. Have some fun. I can't. I'm gonna. Now I'm gonna have to go make my own fun and enjoy this. And, and, and again, not the right move. Not the right move, but right. That's his mindset. So you guys, you guys have to come together and that's where, Janet, I would really push you and him. I hope he, I hope he listens to this call that, that, that you have to embrace the differences of your spouse and that your spouse's differences is not the enemy. And in fact they can make you a healthier, whole rounded person because he's going to bring things to the table, Jana, that may make you uncomfortable. Not debts, but the fun and the spending. And he's going to bring that. And you need to embrace life and he's going to help you do that. And then also he doesn't need to be a freaking. I won't say it and just like middle finger your wife and go in the middle of the night and go get a truck. That was not okay. I do not.
Dave Ramsey
I got to add this. Our. Our friend. Mutual friend, Ian Cron. We were together yesterday. He said when we are upset at somebody over their behavior, we're really irritated. He goes, it reveals in us something where we can grow. And I'm adding that onto what Your advice and your insight. I thought that was really good.
Rachel
We're going to leave it here.
Dave Ramsey
Pay this truck off. Thanks, Jan. Pay the truck off. You'll be okay.
Rachel
I'm sorry, though. Get.
Jana
Get.
Rachel
Get a therapist in there. Be good.
Dave Ramsey
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Episode Details:
In this emotionally charged episode of The Ramsey Show Highlights, Jana reaches out to express her frustration and disappointment over her husband’s unexpected decision to purchase a brand new truck. Despite their significant financial milestone of nearly paying off their $300,000 mortgage, Jana feels blindsided by her husband's unilateral financial choice. The conversation delves deep into marital communication, financial planning, and the emotional ramifications of unexpected debts.
Jana’s Achievement and Emotional Conflict
Jana begins by sharing the joyous news that her husband and she are on the verge of paying off their home, with only $5,000 remaining—a goal they achieved through diligent effort and adherence to financial principles advocated by Dave Ramsey. However, instead of celebrating this monumental achievement, Jana is grappling with anger and hurt because her husband decided to purchase a new truck without her consent.
Unexpected Financial Decisions
Early one morning, Jana’s husband embarked on a cross-country trip to buy a brand new truck, resulting in the couple needing to take out a car loan. This decision contradicts their previous financial agreements and leaves Jana feeling that their hard-earned "clean slate" is being undermined by accruing more debt.
Assessing the Situation
Dave Ramsey and Rachel Cruze provide empathetic yet pragmatic perspectives on Jana’s predicament. They acknowledge her feelings of betrayal and frustration, emphasizing the importance of mutual communication and financial alignment in a marriage.
Financial Impact and Accountability
Despite the substantial income Jana and her husband have, with Jana earning approximately $137,000 and her husband around $140,000 to $145,000 annually, the decision to take on an additional $30,000 loan feels disproportionate to her. Dave Ramsey underscores that while the situation isn’t a financial crisis given their income and remaining mortgage, it is a significant marital issue that needs addressing.
Emotional and Relational Consequences
The crux of the issue lies not just in the financial decision but in the lack of communication and mutual agreement. Rachel highlights the emotional toll Jana is experiencing, pointing out that such unilateral decisions can erode trust and mutual respect in a marriage.
Recommendations for Resolution
Both experts recommend seeking marriage therapy to navigate the underlying communication issues. They stress the importance of aligning financial goals and ensuring that both partners are on the same page to prevent future conflicts.
Importance of Communication: Jana’s situation underscores how critical open and honest communication is in managing finances within a marriage. Decisions as significant as purchasing a vehicle should be mutually agreed upon to maintain trust and harmony.
Financial Alignment: Even with substantial incomes, aligning financial priorities is essential. Jana and her husband’s divergence in financial decisions highlights the need for continual dialogue about financial goals and expenditures.
Emotional Well-being: Financial decisions are not merely transactional but deeply intertwined with emotional well-being. Jana’s feelings of being unheard and disrespected indicate that financial discord can lead to broader relational issues.
Seeking Professional Help: The recommendation to engage in marriage therapy emphasizes that professional guidance can be instrumental in resolving deep-seated communication barriers and restoring marital harmony.
This episode poignantly illustrates the delicate balance between financial success and marital satisfaction. While Jana and her husband have achieved a significant financial milestone by nearly paying off their mortgage, the ensuing conflict over the truck purchase serves as a reminder that financial harmony is as crucial as financial success. Through empathetic guidance, Dave Ramsey and Rachel Cruze advocate for strengthened communication and mutual respect as foundational pillars in both financial planning and marital relationships.
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