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James
So I have recently moved to Atlantic City, maybe about seven months ago. Came from a small town, had no casinos, had no access to gambling where I was from. And since then, I have picked up a pretty nasty habit of going to casinos. In the past couple of months, I would say less than two months, maybe six weeks or so, I've lost about 45 to $55,000 of my money, basically everything that I have. It started small. Started with little bets, $25 here and there, going out with some of my new friends that I met in town. And then all of a sudden, before I know it, I was going out alone. Bets went up to 100 bucks a night, and then 500 bucks a night. And then next thing you know, I'm going in, two, three, four, $5,000 a night. And over the course of maybe a week and a half, I really lost a big chunk. And I tried to chase it, and then over the past maybe three weeks or so, lost everything.
George
James, I'm sorry.
Dave Ramsey
How old are you, honey?
James
Just turned 25.
Dave Ramsey
Pretty scary to be this out of control, isn't it?
James
Yep. What's. What's really kind of scary for me too is I don't. I don't drink, I don't smoke. I don't do anything at all. I live a fully sober life. I don't do anything else. I've never had an addiction to anything. Never use nicotine, nothing. So. First real addiction I think I've ever felt.
Dave Ramsey
Yeah, well, you're feeling one, there's no question. I mean, you have all the symptoms anyway of somebody who's in the throes of that. I mean, you're watching yourself, almost an out of body experience, do life destroying things and still do them anyway. That's the sign of an addict, right?
James
Yep. And what's really crazy to me is it's like I black out whenever I go. I don't even. It just feels like I'm not even myself. And then the second I leave the casinos, it feels like I'm kind of back and I realize what I did.
Dave Ramsey
Are you. Are you working?
James
Yeah, I am.
Dave Ramsey
What do you earn, sir?
James
About 120 a year.
Dave Ramsey
Doing what?
James
I own a business.
George
Okay, good, good. All right.
Dave Ramsey
Well, if I woke up in your shoes is how we answer questions on this show. George and I are not PhD in counseling like Dr. John DeLoney, who's on with us from time to time. But sadly, for 30 years, I've dealt with addicts, because 100% of addicts eventually have financial trouble. And so I'm afraid I've gotten to know something about this the hard way just by working with a lot of folks struggling with this. So that's the basis I'm answering the question on. So I'm not telling you I'm a clinical expert. I'm not. I'm just a practical expert because I've dealt with so many people in your situation. So if I woke up in your shoes, what would I do? I would do three things immediately, as soon as you hang up the phone.
George
Okay.
Dave Ramsey
One, I would find Gamblers Anonymous in your area and contact them. GA it's Alcoholics Anonymous for gamblers, 12 step program.
George
Okay.
Dave Ramsey
And they have probably one of the better results of helping people with this than anybody out there. Number two, I would find a coach or a counselor, a therapist in the area that you can meet with one on one. And you make enough money to afford to meet with someone one on one, and you need to start meeting with them immediately. You are in crisis.
George
Okay?
Dave Ramsey
They got to give you language for the way your brain is functioning so you can learn how. Both of those places will help you with that. So you can learn how to navigate your way away from this.
George
Okay?
Dave Ramsey
Now, you moved to Atlantic City to open this business.
James
No, I've been there for here and there with him, kind of been out there. And then I guess you could say yes, technically. But I didn't move there to open it specifically. It just kind of happened that way.
George
Okay.
Dave Ramsey
What is your business?
James
It is electronics.
Dave Ramsey
What's that mean?
James
So selling, fixing phones, computers, basically anything.
Dave Ramsey
If you don't have success doing those two things. And the third one I'm going to tell you is find a good church in your area and start developing relationships with good men that are not hanging out in casinos.
George
Okay?
Dave Ramsey
If those three things together, Gamblers Anonymous, a therapist and a good church, and revitalizing or causing for the first time your spiritual awakening inside of you, that's going to be part of your healing process. If you can't get those three things together to work, you have to move away from the casinos. I live in Nashville. There's not any here.
James
A big problem I've been really having recently is like, life has just become not fun anymore. Like daily things are. I don't get the level of excitement that I need from anything.
Dave Ramsey
It's a false narrative because. Because what happens is that anytime you're in an addictive feedback loop, the addict's mind says the Only fun thing is when I'm doing the addiction and so everything else is boring.
Coach or Therapist
You're chasing that high and so you always need the newer, better, crazier high. And that's what happened in your situation. So you're going to need to replace those habits with other things that are healthier. Do you have any hobbies currently?
James
Not anymore. I mean, I used to be into sports and back where I was from, I had a lot of friends. But since I've moved up here, I don't really know many people.
Dave Ramsey
You've got to rebuild a friend group intentionally as a part of this healing that is not going to casinos because you do become who you hang around with. You noticed that, right?
James
Definitely. And they push me. I mean, the friends I go with, they bite big money. So it kind of pushes me to, you know.
Dave Ramsey
Yeah, you feel like a wimp when you're dropping 10 and they're dropping a hundred.
James
Yep.
Dave Ramsey
Or they're dropping a hundred and you're dropping. Or they're dropping a thousand and you're dropping a hundred. Whatever it is. But, you know, you feel like a wimp. And the truth, the opposite is true. I'm the biggest wimp of all if that's the case, because I can walk through those places and watch other people lose money all day long doesn't bother me a bit. I don't feel pressured at all to join the parade of bodies created by these things. And you, you know, I'll throw out one other piece of information. James, will you do those three things for me to take care of?
George
James?
James
Yes. And something I've already done as well is Atlantic City has a government funded. Trying to think of the way to phrase this like a kind of like a ga, almost.
Dave Ramsey
Yeah.
George
Yeah.
Dave Ramsey
And I don't know anything about the inner workings of that or if it's successful, but I'm always suspect when the fox says, oh, to the hen house. Here's how you fix it. You know, it's funded by the gambling people. I mean, I'm not saying it's nefarious. I don't think it is. I think it's well meaning. But it's also a reaction to they had to do something because the PR around the number of lives they're destroying is pretty incredible. And so they had to, well, if you have a gambling problem, dial 1-800-I've got a gambling problem. And they put that after all the FanDuel ads now after FanDuel made about $80 billion a minute off of people just like you and so it just pisses me off. But yeah I'm. That's a good. That's not a bad move but it can't be your only move. Yeah.
Coach or Therapist
And then on top of that there might need to be some guardrails around your your bank accounts and your finances to stop you from doing something. Ration spending a lot of money that might mean putting limits on your bank account so you can't spend over a certain amount. Or if you have a trusted friend that can keep you accountable that's going to really help with this. Just to remove you right now you need more friction stopping you from doing the thing. So as much friction as we can add removing apps stopping you there. I know there's some apps out there that can help with that as well as I was looking this up. Gamband bet blocker. There's all kinds of things out there that can help but it's the one which one are you actually going to stick with and do that's the question.
Dave Ramsey
At the bottom line is.
George
Yeah.
Dave Ramsey
What's man Yesterday Scarcity Loop is the book. Yeah. Read Scarcity Loop by Michael yesterday and it's a good book. It's worth reading and any of you that are just interested in this subject. It's a full unpacking of how the feedback loop works in the brain on several different things.
Coach or Therapist
Scarcity Brain. Michael Easter.
Dave Ramsey
Scarcity Brain. Thank you. And I called him yesterday. Sorry Michael. God familiar.
George
Yeah.
Dave Ramsey
Michael Easter. Thank you. I know him and he's been here and been on the show, been on stage with us and I should have known his name. I apologize Michael, but he's my.
George
My brain.
Dave Ramsey
Scarcity Brain. But it talks about this idea that we chase what we think is scarce and the gambling addict is is the it's the primary thing that covers and they get sent to in this book and it's pretty. It's very interesting read. Yeah.
Coach or Therapist
The good news is Mike James is young enough that he's going to recover from this and it will just be a giant stupid tax. Hopefully he looks back on.
Dave Ramsey
Yeah.
George
Yeah you will.
Dave Ramsey
I lost $50 in one night when I was 21 playing a hand of poker. I didn't know how to play last time I played. Wow. That was 45 years ago.
Coach or Therapist
That's the hot stuff.
Dave Ramsey
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Date: September 28, 2025
Host: Dave Ramsey and George Kamel
Caller: James
Episode Length: ~10 minutes
This episode of The Ramsey Show Highlights centers on a young entrepreneur, James, who recently developed a severe gambling addiction after moving to Atlantic City. In less than two months, James has lost nearly all his money—about $50,000—because of escalating gambling habits. Dave Ramsey and George Kamel provide support, practical advice, and resources, focusing on both emotional recovery and tangible financial steps. The discussion deeply examines the mechanics of addiction, its impact on community and relationships, and strategies for long-term healing.
Dave explains addiction:
“You're watching yourself, almost an out of body experience, do life destroying things and still do them anyway. That's the sign of an addict, right?” [01:25]
James feels life outside gambling has become dull:
“Life has just become not fun anymore. Like daily things are. I don't get the level of excitement that I need from anything.” [04:55]
Dave responds:
“That's a false narrative... The Only fun thing is when I'm doing the addiction and so everything else is boring.” [05:06]
Dave outlines a practical three-prong approach:
Dave on addiction:
“You're watching yourself, almost an out of body experience, do life destroying things and still do them anyway. That's the sign of an addict, right?” [01:25]
James on the emotional toll:
“Life has just become not fun anymore... I don't get the level of excitement I need from anything.” [04:55]
On taking action:
“If I woke up in your shoes... I would do three things immediately, as soon as you hang up the phone.” [02:59]
George closes with hope:
“Mike James is young enough that he's going to recover from this and it will just be a giant stupid tax. Hopefully he looks back on.” [09:16]
Dave’s anecdote:
“I lost $50 in one night when I was 21 playing a hand of poker I didn’t know how to play... Last time I played. Wow. That was 45 years ago.” [09:24]
This episode delivers a powerful and empathetic look at the real-life consequences of gambling addiction, especially how it can rapidly consume finances and personal joy. Through James’ story and Dave's direct, practical advice, listeners gain insight into both the emotional mechanisms of addiction and concrete recovery strategies. The tone throughout is compassionate yet urgent, emphasizing immediate action, supportive community, and self-awareness as key to breaking the destructive cycle.