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Episode: Keep Having Kids To Keep Getting Government Assistance?
Date: October 30, 2025
Host(s): Dave Ramsey, Jade Warshaw
Caller: Emily

Episode Overview

In this episode, Dave Ramsey and Jade Warshaw tackle a listener's complex question about family dynamics and the intersection of faith, finances, and government assistance. Emily, a ministry worker, calls in to ask for guidance regarding her brother, a pastor with eight children, who relies on government aid and family support, citing biblical reasons for his life's choices. The discussion centers on personal responsibility, healthy boundaries, and the misuse of religious justification for financial decisions.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

Emily’s Family Dilemma (00:02–01:18)

• Emily explains her brother's belief: God commands Christians to have as many children as possible (00:19). Despite limited finances from his pastor’s salary, her brother relies on state aid and family support, believing this is biblically justified.
• Emily’s concern: She feels this approach is irresponsible and seeks advice regarding both the ethics and the impact on her parents, who are often pressured for more support.

Dave’s Initial Reaction: Faith, Finances & Responsibility (01:18–02:53)

• Dave firmly disagrees:
  • “That is not biblical.” (01:21)
  • Dave references scripture: “The Bible also says that those that won’t take care of their own household are worse than an unbeliever.” (01:25)
• Clarifies stance on government aid:
  • Doesn't condemn temporary assistance during rough patches (02:42), but draws a clear line against making it a way of life:
    • “I’ve never met anyone who prospers on government aid.” (02:16)
    • “It’s not an act of love for me to recommend that… it’s just loving the person and saying, gosh, I’ve never met anybody on welfare that had just a wonderful life.” (02:21)

Setting Financial Boundaries as Family (02:53–04:51)

• Emily asks about parental boundaries: Her parents visit, help generously, but are repeatedly faced with “hints” for more help (03:18).
• Dave’s advice:
  • Your brother’s mindset won’t change easily:
    • “There’s not anything your parents are going to say or you’re going to say, it’s going to change your brother. He’s made his decision.” (03:36)
  • Suggests parents create an explicit budget for gifts/support to grandchildren, but draw the line:
    • “Past that, the answer’s no.” (04:19)
    • “I have a budget of money I’m gonna burn on these grandkids just to be that guy, and I’m not gonna worry about it... when it gets above that, I’m not gonna do any more.” (04:20)

On Enabling vs. Detachment: Advice for Emily (04:51–06:11)

• Jade steps in: Reminds Emily this isn’t directly her issue, and not everyone is responsible for her brother’s choices:
  • “If I were you, respectfully, I’d just mind my own business.” (04:51)
• Dave adds nuance:
  • “As an ongoing pattern, yes, but as an off thing...” (05:31)
  • “If they don’t like that, I don’t agree that he has labeled himself needy biblically. And I don’t agree with that label. So I’m not going to biblically step up and make him not needy. He’s needy, but it’s not money.” (05:44)
• Jade’s memorable quip:
  • “He needy a new job.” (05:59)
• Dave, laughing:
  • “You’ll get a jaidism dropped on you like a bomb!” (06:05)

The Dangers of Spiritual Manipulation (06:11–07:49)

• Dave shares a story: A man once told him, “God told me you’re going to give me a new van,” (06:35) to which Dave replied, “No, he didn’t. Because if God told you that I was going to give you a new van, he would have told me, and there would be a new van sitting out there with the keys in it.” (06:48)
• Moral of the story:
  • “Crazy Christians give the rest of us Christians a bad name, y’all. I’m just saying.” (07:22)
  • Point: Using scripture or “divine guidance” to pressure others for money or resources is not genuine or ethical.

The Real Issue: Impact on Kids & Responsibility (07:49–09:30)

• Concern for the children:
  • “There’s eight kids being affected.” (07:49)
  • “Now they’re being raised by that, and then they can’t figure out why they strayed away from the church—because they were raised poor, because their mom and dad had decided to have a bad series of biblical definitions.” (07:52)
• Balancing scriptural intent:
  • Dave notes, “I do love the idea that we ought to be fruitful and multiply, but maybe we also ought to raise our income while we’re doing that so that we can feed them.” (08:04)

Acceptance, Boundaries, & Letting Go (08:30–09:30)

• Jade’s advice: When it comes to family, sometimes all you can do is love them as they are:
  • “You get to just sit on the sideline, be frustrated, or just watch them and grin and go, that’s my brother. Yep, that’s him. That’s the guy. I know that guy.” (08:43)
• Dave on enabling and frustration:
  • “That’s how we become enablers if we’re not real careful or just really frustrated with family members.” (08:59)
• Jade and Dave’s humorous wrap-up:
  • Jade: “Meanwhile, they’re broke, eating a sandwich. They don’t care.” (09:06)
  • Dave: “They’re broke eating a sandwich somebody else made.” (09:12)
  • Dave: “Media job. I can’t believe you, Jake. That was really good... I’m going to steal that one three more times.” (09:19)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Dave Ramsey: “The Bible also says that those that won’t take care of their own household are worse than an unbeliever.” (01:25)
• Jade Warshaw: “He needy a new job.” (05:59)
• Dave’s van anecdote: “If God told you that I was going to give you a new van, he would have told me…” (06:48)
• Jade: “You get to just sit on the sideline, be frustrated, or just watch them and grin and go, that’s my brother.” (08:43)
• Dave: “I do love the idea that we ought to be fruitful and multiply, but maybe we also ought to raise our income while we’re doing that so that we can feed them.” (08:04)

Important Timestamps

• 00:16 – Emily introduces her family’s situation.
• 01:21 – Dave’s explicit biblical response.
• 02:16 – Dave on government aid and prosperity.
• 04:19 – Advice on parental boundaries.
• 05:59 – Jade’s “He needy a new job” quip.
• 06:35–07:22 – Dave’s story about being asked for a van.
• 08:04 – Dave ties together “be fruitful and multiply” with financial reality.
• 08:43 – Jade: “That’s my brother” advice.
• 09:06–09:19 – Humorous closing exchange.

Summary Takeaways

• Using religious rationale to justify financial irresponsibility is neither biblically sound nor practical.
• Temporary government assistance can be necessary, but relying on it as a lifestyle is not a path to prosperity.
• Family members must set and communicate clear financial boundaries; gifting should be intentional, not coerced.
• When dealing with relatives who have made up their minds, sometimes the best approach is to love them from a distance and accept limitations on what you can control.
• Beware of spiritual manipulation—true biblical charity is voluntary and grounded in responsibility, not guilt.

This episode affirms the importance of personal accountability, the limits of familial intervention, and the wisdom of purposeful generosity, all delivered with Dave and Jade’s trademark humor and frankness.