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Natalie (Caller)
I just got married on this Saturday and me and my partner had discussed being debt free and paying all of our debts. And then once we got married and we had our first real discussion yesterday, he claimed that he's not letting go of the credit cards because he doesn't see them as debt, which I tried to explain to him and he said, I'm not giving them up in his eyes. He doesn't see it like that.
Dave Ramsey
How long did you all date before you were married?
Natalie (Caller)
We got married a year, like within a year.
Rachel Cruze
Did you guys talk?
Natalie (Caller)
Sorry. We did it for a year and then we got married the 12th month.
Rachel Cruze
Okay, so this was a conversation you guys had. What was it yesterday?
Natalie (Caller)
Yeah, I, I let him know that if we got, you know, because we talked about marriage. We're older. I'm 33, he's 31. But I told him when we got married that we would combine all, you know, follow day brands, combine our finances until we were married, and then start paying off debt. So yesterday I said we should start paying off your credit cards and then start on your, on your vehicle. And he's just like, that's, that's fine. I'm like, but you gotta promise me not to use them again. And he said, no, I'm going to, because he doesn't see them as debt. And I tried to explain to him about.
Rachel Cruze
Yeah, I think how. Yeah, more of the. Sorry.
Natalie (Caller)
Oh, go ahead, go ahead.
Rachel Cruze
Well, I was going to say more of the frustration is that he didn't keep his word. You know what I mean? That you guys had agreed on something and now he's changing his mind, essentially,
Natalie (Caller)
which it's frustrating because he doesn't see them as that. And I'm like, anytime you owe anybody anything, it's considered debt. Those two $300 payments you're making towards the cards you can put in our savings. And he's like, well, it's for an emergency and this and that. So I don't, I'm trying to work the baby steps with my partner. Now I don't have debt other than my mortgage. I'm kind of nervous combining our incomes together if he's not using the program. Because I worked really hard to get out of debt and buy my home.
Dave Ramsey
Yeah. So what bothers me about this whole thing is not the detailed issue of whether he thinks credit cards are dead or not. I mean, that's just stupid. But the thing that bothers me is that you've Married a guy that doesn't give a crap about your opinion.
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Dave Ramsey
doesn't give a crap about your opinion and can't keep his word. And that level of disrespect and dishonesty is gonna be well beyond money issues. It's gonna come up in other places too, you know, and. Well, I just stopped by on the way home from the office. Had one beer. Oh, you told me you're coming straight home for dinner. Oh, well, that's just one beer. You know, I do whatever the heck I wanna do. Cause I'm me. That's what this guy is. And by the way, there's nothing wrong with stopping by and having a beer if you want, but don't do that until your wife. You weren't after you told your wife you weren't going to. And that's this guy. So that's my problem here is, is the underlying lack of character and the underlying lack of respect for his new wife. Instead of treasuring you and wanting to serve you and love you and be there for you, he's all about, well, that's what I want to do.
Natalie (Caller)
Yeah.
Dave Ramsey
Sounds like he's 14 years old.
Natalie (Caller)
Yeah, because it's on his credit.
Dave Ramsey
Yeah, no, it's not his now. It's ours. We got married Saturday. So now you're screwed up. Everything he screws up, screws you up for the rest of your life. As long as you're married, that's what's gonna happen. So, I mean, I think the core issue is that you guys have a really weak relationship. That's what's bothering me a whole lot more than just whether or not credit card is dead or not. That's just a stupid statement. But the way he's coming at this is like, I told you I was gonna do one thing. I changed my mind. I don't care what you think. This is what I want to do and I don't like that. I don't care it's what I want to do. And, you know, the way he's treating you is what's bothering me. So I don't want you to accept that. I want you to create a relationship crisis and call for marriage counseling immediately and see if you need to have this annulled or not, because if the guy can't keep his word and he can't treasure you and honor you, you're going to have a long life, girl. This is not a good. This is not a good start. So, I mean, I'm going to create a say I'm going to go see a marriage counselor, because the guy I married promised me one thing, and now there's some other guy showed up here in my bed, and, you know, and so I'm going to create a crisis in this situation because he thinks this is all okay, that it's okay. He. But he's 33, and he's been doing it a long time. Yeah, he's been a single dog a long time. Gets to do whatever he wants to. Nobody around. He had to consider up until a year ago.
Rachel Cruze
Yeah. And until Saturday, when y' all get married. So. Yeah, the. The urgency of this, Natalie, is. I mean, I would. I would. I would bring in a third party as soon as possible, because if you let this linger, you guys will continue to create division in a new marriage that will continue on that way for a long time. And so if you can get this straightened out, at least get on the same page of value systems and goals together, working together. Right. Like the big stuff. And then you can start doing the tactical things of like, does he keep a credit card or not? But, like, the. The big idea of, hey, we are one together, and we are going to create a financial life that we both feel good about. That's what's key.
Dave Ramsey
Yeah. And that's. And that's what's broken. And that's, like, at the core of your marriage. Not that money's at the core of your marriage, but you're not agreeing about life. And you've been married three days. Hello.
Rachel Cruze
Supposed to be the honeymoon phase. All right, Natalie, y' all got some work.
Dave Ramsey
Let's be all happy.
Rachel Cruze
I'm hopeful for y'.
Natalie (Caller)
All.
Rachel Cruze
I really am.
Dave Ramsey
Well, it's some things you have to change, or I'm not. So I'm hopeful that you force the change into this situation, and I'm going to have some people experiencing some pain over there so that we don't live a lifetime of pain. Create your free every dollar budget today. The simplest way to budget for your life.
Date: May 1, 2026
Host: Dave Ramsey with Rachel Cruze
Caller: Natalie
In this poignant episode, Dave Ramsey and Rachel Cruze counsel Natalie, a newlywed facing immediate marital discord over finances. Just three days into marriage, Natalie discovers her husband doesn’t share her commitment to being debt-free—and more troublingly, is reneging on promises made during their courtship. The episode delves into issues larger than money, focusing on trust, respect, and alignment of values at the dawn of a marriage.
The hosts’ tone is candid, empathetic, but also firm in their stance: marriage, and particularly financial unity, is built on trust, shared vision, and the willingness to honor one’s word. Dave and Rachel urge Natalie to confront these issues swiftly, highlighting that unresolved foundational disagreements will cast a long shadow over her marriage.
Closing message:
Rachel expresses hope for Natalie, but Dave is clear: "Well, it’s some things you have to change, or I’m not [hopeful].” (07:20). The underlying warning—address relationship red flags now, rather than living a lifetime of unresolved conflict.
This episode serves as an urgent reminder: financial disagreements are often symptoms of deeper relational fractures—and early intervention is critical.