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Caller
So I want to know I'm not nuts.
Dr. John Delony
You called the wrong two guys for that one. Go for it.
Caller
I think one of the biggest gaslighters I know. And so, you know, there was a few years ago, I was like, started questioning because he came up. Our 20th anniversary was three years ago, and he had withdrawn. We have a joint checking and then a my checking and we see both. So we see what's going in and out and whatever. Anyway. And so in the joint checking, most of the money that we get collectively goes in there. And I started thinking, you know, it doesn't grow. Like it stayed at 28, 29, $30,000 consistently. And I'm like, okay. So then on our anniversary three years ago, he pulled four grand. And I said, hey, what'd you do? And he's oh, I knew you'd notice that. Oh, I have. We have an anniversary coming up. Star anniversary gets here and he has a key with a boat float and said, brings me to the pier and says, here, honey, I bought you a boat for your. For our anniversary. And I'm like, oh, wow.
Dave Ramsey
So I assume this is a bass boat.
Caller
It's. It's a 28 foot cabin cruiser. Oh, my gosh. At the harbor in a slip.
Dr. John Delony
Are you, Are you a boating gal?
Caller
Well, he manages a marine store and he's been involved with boats his whole life.
Dr. John Delony
That's not what I asked. Are you a boating person or is this like me buying my wife a new deer rifle for her?
Caller
Here and there, Here and there. You know, we go kayaking and whatever, and it's like, gosh, it always would be nice. You know, I've always said it'd be nice to have like a putzer putz around boat.
Dave Ramsey
So you got a $4,000 down payment, a big bunch of payments on a 28 foot cruiser. What's the story? How can we help you?
Caller
Cash stashed. I found out that he had hidden $15,000 hidden money. Because I thought, where did this money come from? And I started going through the closet thinking, I'm gonna find it. He's got money hidden in here somewhere. And I found 15 grand a year later in cash. In cash. So he's been hiding and being deceitful with cash.
Dave Ramsey
Why?
Caller
And I can. I don't know. I confronted him finally and I said, what the heck's going on? So he said, I thought I was doing something good. I put money away and I'm like, in the closet. In the closet in a pouch that was very well hidden, but I found it. And.
Dr. John Delony
Okay, so the big issue here is you don't believe his answer.
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Dr. John Delony
The Big Issue here is you don't believe his answer.
Caller
No, I don't believe his answer. And when you start popping up with big ticket items and go, look, honey, I got this for you. And there's alcohol involved too. There's alcohol abuse. So.
Dr. John Delony
Let me say it like this. I have. When I am an anxious guy and over the course of my marriage, when like a major world event is happening, I have told my wife I would feel comfortable if we had some cash at the house. And she rolls her eyes and says, okay, and we agree on a number and I go get some cash because I'm dramatic. But the key there is. I told her, I didn't hide it.
Caller
You told her. Thank you.
Dave Ramsey
And so why is he deceitful with you? What's the problem? Why is he doing that?
Caller
I have no idea.
Dave Ramsey
Yeah, you do.
Dr. John Delony
You do. You have some idea.
Caller
Well, he has told me in the past that you like to spend money. And I'm like, I help my daughter or I help my mom and dad. I don't go by, I am not a clothes and boutique and person.
Dr. John Delony
Do you talk to me about those purchases or are you both doing the same thing behind closed doors?
Caller
Yeah. No, no, no, no. Not behind closed doors. I'll come up with whatever. And it's like, yeah, I got this. And he's like, great, honey, or whatever, you know, and that's fine. Or, my dad broke his back. I'm going to send them a mattress so that it's good for his back because they can't afford $2,000 for a Tempur you need. He's like, go ahead and do that.
Dr. John Delony
Okay.
Caller
And whatnot. So there's justification so I can do this. But I tell him, I tell you what I'm doing and you're not being honest and truthful if you're hiding liquor and you're hiding money, I don't believe you at all.
Dr. John Delony
Yes, you're right to do that.
Caller
Thank you.
Dr. John Delony
But if you. But if you. If you. I guess. I guess the challenge for you I would have is if you go to him and say, my dad broke his back. So I'm gonna do this with our money instead of saying, I would love to honor my old man. You know what I'm saying? But other than that.
Caller
Yeah.
Dr. John Delony
Dave, what do you think? I mean, yeah, if he's stealing thousands of dollars and hiding them, the bigger deal is you don't trust him. If my wife found $15,000 in cash, she would have questions, obviously. But her first default setting wouldn't be, you're preparing to run away or you have a problem with addiction. She would think, hey, you need to go see a counselor because you're spitting out on me again. But it would not. But your default is to, I don't trust this guy. And he's doing something nefarious, which, like me and Dave both said, you know, other things are going on.
Caller
Right, right. Right.
Dr. John Delony
Then what makes you not trust yourself? Do you not want to. Do you not want to deal with what you know to be true?
Caller
No, it's. It's. We have a tumultuous relationship. Anyway.
Dr. John Delony
Yeah.
Dave Ramsey
I'm so shocked.
Dr. John Delony
Is he planning an exit strategy here?
Caller
But the thing that really bothers me is that $65,000 of that is for caretaking for my son that has down syndrome. And when I met my husband, my.
Dave Ramsey
Son was $55,000 of what?
Caller
My son's.
Dave Ramsey
No, I mean, wait a minute. I had 15,000 in the closet, and I had a cabin cruiser. Now I'm at 65 grand. What happened? I just got lost.
Dr. John Delony
Yeah. Where's that money?
Caller
65,000 a year goes into our account. So on a monthly basis, divide that up. But it's 65,000 total a year that goes into our joint checking that he keeps pulling money out of.
Dave Ramsey
You don't need 65,000 to care for a Down syndrome child.
Caller
No, we don't.
Dave Ramsey
Okay, so you're being melodramatic. You brought the kid in as a flag wave here. All you've got is a husband. You and him are not in agreement on where the freaking money's going. He feels nagged about the alcohol. He feels nagged about. And he thinks you spend too much, and so he spoiled money away. So you guys need to sit down with a good marriage counselor and decide if you're going to go forward. If you're going to go forward, and I think you should, then what you're going to do is you're going to quit all these side deals, both of you. You're going to have one freaking account and both of you are going to do one budget. And you're both going to be in an agreement on everything that goes out of this house. And there's no coming out of the closet with 15 grand in your hand. And there's no buying boats. Surprise. Honey, look what I bought that I wanted and called it your anniversary gift.
Dr. John Delony
It's a bull, man.
Dave Ramsey
There's no. I have to protect everything from you because you're deceitful. You guys gotta get on a basis of trust here, and the trust is gonna come from transparency and working together. And both of you have a vote. And that's going to come in a marriage counselor's office. If you don't do that, you're probably divorced within a year.
Dr. John Delony
Amen.
Dave Ramsey
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The Ramsey Show Highlights
Episode: My Husband Hid $15,000 In The Closet and Doesn’t Think It’s a Big Deal
Release Date: July 16, 2025
Host/Author: Ramsey Network
In this episode of The Ramsey Show Highlights, a distressed caller reaches out to discuss a troubling discovery in her marriage—her husband has been secretly hiding $15,000 in cash. As tensions rise and trust is eroded, experts Dr. John Delony and Dave Ramsey provide insights and actionable advice to navigate this financial and emotional crisis.
The caller begins by expressing her confusion and frustration over her husband's secretive financial behavior:
“I found out that he had hidden $15,000 hidden money. Because I thought, where did this money come from? And I started going through the closet thinking, I'm gonna find it.”
— Caller [00:18]
She explains that despite having a joint checking account where they monitor all transactions, their balance remained stagnant at around $28,000 to $30,000 for years. However, on their 20th anniversary three years prior, her husband withdrew $4,000 without prior discussion, later presenting her with a 28-foot cabin cruiser as an anniversary gift.
“He pulled four grand. And he's oh, I knew you'd notice that. Oh, I have. We have an anniversary coming up... I bought you a boat for your anniversary.”
— Caller [01:39]
This revelation led her to suspect deceit, prompting her to search for additional hidden funds, ultimately discovering $15,000 in cash a year later. Complicating matters, she mentions alcohol abuse as another area of concern, exacerbating her distrust.
Dr. John Delony immediately addresses the core issue:
“The Big Issue here is you don't believe his answer.”
— Dr. John Delony [03:49]
He emphasizes that the caller’s lack of trust stems from more than just financial discrepancies. The hidden cash and unexplained large purchases signal deeper relationship issues, possibly including anxiety or addiction.
Dave Ramsey reinforces the gravity of the situation, highlighting the fundamental need for transparency and trust in a marriage:
“You guys gotta get on a basis of trust here, and the trust is gonna come from transparency and working together.”
— Dave Ramsey [08:25]
He advises that without addressing these underlying issues through methods like marriage counseling and establishing a unified financial strategy, the relationship may deteriorate further.
1. Addressing Trust Issues
Dr. Delony points out that the caller's immediate distrust is a natural reaction to finding hidden money:
“If my wife found $15,000 in cash, she would have questions, obviously.”
— Dr. John Delony [05:58]
He suggests that the couple needs to delve deeper into why the husband felt the need to hide money, exploring potential anxiety, fear, or other personal struggles.
2. Financial Transparency
Dave Ramsey stresses the importance of consolidating finances to prevent future deceit:
“You're going to have one freaking account and both of you are going to do one budget.”
— Dave Ramsey [07:31]
This involves eliminating separate accounts and side deals, ensuring that both partners have visibility and agreement over all financial transactions.
3. Seeking Professional Help
Both experts concur on the necessity of professional intervention:
“You guys need to sit down with a good marriage counselor and decide if you're going to go forward.”
— Dave Ramsey [07:31]
Marriage counseling can help address both financial mismanagement and emotional disconnects, fostering a healthier relationship dynamic.
4. Understanding Underlying Issues
Delony encourages the caller to reflect on her own feelings and reactions:
“What makes you not trust yourself? Do you not want to deal with what you know to be true?”
— Dr. John Delony [06:28]
This introspection is crucial for her to fully comprehend the impact of her husband’s actions and her response to them.
The episode underscores the delicate balance between financial management and emotional trust in a marriage. Hidden finances can be symptomatic of deeper issues, including lack of communication, mistrust, or personal struggles such as addiction. Dr. John Delony and Dave Ramsey advocate for transparency, unified financial strategies, and professional counseling as essential steps toward resolving such conflicts.
Key takeaways include:
By implementing these strategies, couples can rebuild trust, enhance communication, and create a more stable and harmonious financial and emotional partnership.
Notable Quotes:
This episode serves as a compelling reminder of the intricate link between financial practices and marital harmony, offering practical advice for couples facing similar challenges.