Kate (2:17)

That's how I feel.

Dave Ramsey (2:19)

Yeah. No, that's. That's what is observable, not just a feeling.

Rachel Cruze (2:23)

Kate, what does he say when you text him? Or what's his response when you guys talk about it and you're frustrated? What does he say? Just like.

Kate (2:33)

So it typically, it gets us into an argument because he kind of. I don't think he likes being told what to do or, you know, how to spend his money, but he denies that he's. He's disrespecting me or not, you know, consulting with me, but his idea of consulting with me is basically just telling you, texting me, telling me what he's going to do. So that's kind of where we're in disagreement.

Dave Ramsey (2:59)

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Rachel Cruze (5:09)

Well, that's what feels always a little bit off.

Dave Ramsey (5:11)

It's disjointed.

Rachel Cruze (5:13)

Yeah. And even when he uses like. Well, I've been making a lot of money, so I get to go over here, right? It's like this. It's. It turns into this isolated instance where that's the opposite of marriage, Right. When you're married to someone and you're doing life with someone, it should be integrated. Right. You're still gonna have your own thoughts and opinions. It's not that, but it. But it's that we make big decisions together. We talk about this. We are united in these things.

Dave Ramsey (5:34)

So all of this to say that your. Your. Your frustration with this, I think, and Rachel thinks is accurate. Now, what to do about it is another thing. I'm afraid for him long term, five years from today, this is not going to be pretty, is my prediction. And I coached again. We coach 10,000 businesses here at Ramsey. We work with small businesses every day. And I see them come and I see them go, and I watch what happens. So what I would say is that I think you guys have a marriage problem that has a deep, deep root to it. And I would say that I love you guys, and I want the two of you to get some healing in that. And so if you're my little sister, I'm going to say, hey, Kate, stir up some trouble, and let's get into the marriage counselor's office. Because he thinks this is okay and you've let it go on, and you're going to get what you tolerate and

Rachel Cruze (6:28)

any level of belittling what you're feeling and thinking, too. Right. They use the term gaslighting all the time, but genuinely, you start to feel crazy, Kate. Right. And until your voice and your opinion is heard and actually honored, like, that's going to start breaking down in other areas, not just buying a new truck every year.

Dave Ramsey (6:47)

Yeah. And it's already breaking down stuff down at the office that you don't even know is happening. Promise you. And it could even be worse than that. I hope it's not. But these are symptoms that don't lead of core problems that don't lead to good places.

Rachel Cruze (7:01)

No. And it's a perfect example how money's a magnifying glass. It makes you more of what you are. But this was always a little bit of him. And then he goes and makes a million bucks, you know, and it just. It starts to magnify. And that's the danger that money can do. And when you. And when you win financially really quickly, like you guys have over, you know, one to two years, it's almost like you don't. He doesn't even have the emotional capacity to handle it. He's just still that little boy in him that's just being magnified. And he just wants to buy a new truck, you know, and so I want to.

Dave Ramsey (7:27)

Tonka truck.

Rachel Cruze (7:28)

Yeah. That's. That's tough.

Kate (7:30)

I'm four.

Dave Ramsey (7:31)

I want A new Tonka truck. Mommy, don't tell me I can't have it.

Rachel Cruze (7:35)

Yeah, that's the other thing, too, is I'm like, kate's a smart woman, and if you look at the numbers to your point, they can afford that. Like, if he wanted to go do

Dave Ramsey (7:41)

that, so honestly, he can afford to do it. It's just the process he's using.

Rachel Cruze (7:45)

That's what I'm saying is, like, it's not even that she would say no to it either.

Dave Ramsey (7:49)

I think he can afford to do it, but I'm afraid he's scratching an itch that's not. That's not really there. So.

Rachel Cruze (7:53)

Chasing the newness of something.

Dave Ramsey (7:55)

I love cars. I'm a car guy, and. And I like cool cars and fun cars, and I buy cars, but I don't have an emotional need to flip a truck every year. I'm perfectly happy with the one I got. And so there's something in that, too. Yeah. I mean, you just got to get. There's something going on. So, you guys, you really need to sit down with someone that forces him to hear the. That it's not necessarily the transaction that's bothersome. It's the way the transaction's going down and that you're not being heard and you're not being respected, and you're not. So you're not crazy. And I'm afraid that the stuff that's under this is gonna come to roost in a way you all aren't gonna, like, in the long term. I'm pretty sure it will. And I.

Rachel Cruze (8:43)

Unless. Unless.

Dave Ramsey (8:44)

Unless you don't. Unless you fix it.

Rachel Cruze (8:45)

Yeah. And unless he comes aware and you come. You know, all of it. And you guys start a new. A new process of life, of the way you look. Look at things and think about things and process things, all of it out of healing.

Dave Ramsey (8:56)

So if you're out there and you're running a small business and your spouse has no idea what's going on at the business, it's a problem, y'. All. That's what I'm telling you. You small business people, you can listen to me, okay? You bootstrap stuff, you fight. You scratch your claw. You're in a battle every day. You got the battle ax out and the sword out and three guns out, and you're fighting and fighting and fighting and fighting and fighting just to stay alive, and you finally start making some money, but in the middle of that, you become very, very lonely if you do not have people walking with you in leadership and who can find a virtuous wife for her worth is far above rubies. The heart of her husband safely trusts her and he will have no lack of gain. You want no lack of gain? I want no lack of gain. I like that formula. Then trust a virtuous wife. Hmm. In the multitude of counsel there is safety. I bet you 10 rich friends get around him, none of them will tell him to buy a truck. Every stinkin year, I promise you create your free every dollar budget today the simplest way to budget for your life.