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Episode: They Called Dave Ramsey To Ask If They Should Get A Credit Card
Date: December 16, 2025
Host: Dave Ramsey (A), with contributions from Ken Coleman (C)
Podcast Theme: Practical advice on personal and business finance, focusing on debt-free living and smart financial decisions

Episode Overview

This episode features a live caller, a debt-free small business owner, seeking advice from Dave Ramsey about whether or not she should open a business credit card to earn points on large monthly purchases—despite already maintaining a debt-free philosophy. The conversation explores the psychological and practical risks of credit card use, the true value (or lack thereof) in chasing rewards points, and underscores the Ramsey Network’s well-known stance: prosperity comes from running your business well, not from credit card perks.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Caller’s Business Background and Question

• [00:06-00:54] The caller is a nurse practitioner operating a successful, debt-free medical aesthetics practice. She makes significant purchases monthly (sometimes $10,000–$20,000) with her debit card.
• Her Question: Is there any harm in getting a business credit card solely to collect reward points?

2. Dave Ramsey’s Core Arguments

• [00:54-03:39] Debit cards suffice: If you have the money, debit cards do the job without risking debt.
• Focus on business excellence:
  • “That’s where your prosperity will come from, is in being you...you are the secret sauce, not some side hustle, gathering up points.” (Dave Ramsey, 01:26)
• Points aren’t worth the distraction or risk:
  • “78% of them are never redeemed. That’s crazy. 8 out of 10.” (Dave Ramsey, 02:25)
  • For every $100,000 spent to get $1,000 in rewards: “There’s no formula on planet Earth that says spending 100,000 to get 1,000 is a formula for wealth building. That’s a really, really, really silly trade.” (Dave Ramsey, 02:40)
• Psychological risk: Credit cards encourage shifting focus away from your business to chasing minor perks, which can be a costly distraction.
• Slippery slope to debt: Credit cards open the door to “one month things are a little tight, then you don’t pay it off, and then there you are.” (Dave Ramsey, 03:19) Debit cards avoid this scenario entirely.
• Leadership by example: Ramsey Solutions and the businesses they coach all use debit cards and avoid credit.

3. Ken Coleman’s Analogy & Psychology of Money

• [03:39-04:58] Ken likens credit card temptation to his own weakness with late-night ice cream—simply not having it in the house prevents him from eating it. The presence of credit itself is a temptation.
  • “If it’s in the freezer, there’s a good chance I’m going to walk by and grab it... There is psychology and money.” (Ken Coleman, 04:03)
  • “The points seem to be a real benefit. But... what it’s going to do is potentially trap you just like those late night calories.” (Ken Coleman, 04:50)
• Praises Dave Ramsey’s understanding that the “baby steps” method is as much about psychology as mechanics.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Chasing Points:

  • “Your brain is worth more working on things that matter.” (Dave Ramsey, 03:30)
  • “We’ve never met a millionaire who said, ‘I made all my money with my points.’” (Dave Ramsey, 05:01)

• On Avoiding Temptation:

  • “I don’t have ice cream in my house. There’s no ice cream in the house.” (Ken Coleman, 03:56)
  • “Just got to be very careful... there is psychology and money.” (Ken Coleman, 04:41)

Important Segment Timestamps

• [00:06-00:54] — Caller introduces her business and question about business credit cards
• [00:54-03:39] — Dave breaks down why points aren’t worth it and highlights the risks
• [03:39-04:58] — Ken’s analogy about late-night ice cream and the psychology of temptation
• [05:01] — Memorable closing quote: “We’ve never met a millionaire who said, ‘I made all my money with my points.’”

Summary Takeaways

• Running a business well and staying debt-free is far more profitable than chasing credit card rewards.
• The risk of falling into debt or losing focus outweighs the minor benefit of reward points.
• Both financial success and personal discipline hinge on understanding the psychology behind money habits.
• Millionaires aren’t made by credit card points—they’re made by focusing on their businesses and sound financial principles.

For listeners: If you’re tempted by credit card rewards—even for your business—ask yourself if the risk and mental energy are worth the slim returns. The Ramsey Show emphasizes: stay debt-free, focused, and let your business be the source of growth and prosperity.