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Episode Title: Was Taking Out A $100,000 Loan To Buy Cattle A Bad Idea?
Date: September 25, 2025
Host: Dave Ramsey
Guests/Co-hosts: Financial Expert (unidentified co-host)
Caller: Young Rancher (20-year-old business student and aspiring cattle rancher)
Duration: ~7 minutes of main content

Overview

In this episode, Dave Ramsey and his co-host respond to a young caller's question: was it wise to take out a $100,000 loan (collateralized by a Certificate of Deposit, or CD) to start a cattle business? The conversation delves into the risks of investing in commodities, the pitfalls of using borrowed money, and the critical lessons young entrepreneurs should heed before leveraging debt, especially in volatile markets.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Caller’s Background & The Loan Details

• [00:06] Young Rancher, a 20-year-old business student, shares that he is $100,000 in vehicle loan debt and recently took out another $100,000 from a local credit union (Education Credit) to buy cattle, while also owning a $100,000 CD from profits made on a prior cattle partnership.
  • "I was about a hundred thousand dollars in debt on vehicle loans and then I just recently took out a hundred thousand dollars to... start a cattle business." – Caller, [00:23]
• The arrangement essentially means he borrowed against his own CD to fund the new venture.
  • Dave observes: "So they didn’t give you a loan, you borrowed your own money?" – Dave Ramsey, [01:31]
  • "Pretty much, yes, sir." – Caller, [01:34]

2. The Nature of the Investment

• The caller now has 25 head of cattle, all aged three to six years and soon expecting calves.
• He insists he’s invested in an area he knows ("Yes, I grew up in it"), but is unsure if the debt-backed expansion was smart.

3. Ramsey’s Foundational Money Principle

• Dave is known for strictly opposing debt for investment, something the caller is aware of.
  • "Have you ever heard me tell anyone to borrow money for any ever?" – Dave Ramsey, [02:43]
  • "No, sir." – Caller, [02:48]
  • “You kind of know you walked into the lion’s den, right.” – Dave Ramsey, [02:51]

4. Risks of Commodities & Market Timing

• The co-host notes current beef prices are historically high due to droughts, but warns that relying on high commodity prices is perilous.
  • "Beef is at an all time high because there's been drought... and then in 18 months or 24 months when everyone’s got back into new cows... beef prices are going to plummet and you're going to be up a creek." – Co-host, [03:03]
• Caller believes he can pay off the note in three years if the market holds.
  • "As long as the market doesn't go 50% less than what it is right now, I should be able to get it done in three years." – Caller, [04:01]
• Co-hosts push back, advising urgency and skepticism:
  • "I would get it down in one year. And here's why. The only reason Dave and I have a job is because people like you say, if this scheme I'm running just hangs on for three more years, I'm gonna be all right. And it doesn't." – Co-host, [04:09]

5. The Dangers of Debt-Fueled Speculation

• Ramsey underscores that the real gamble is using debt, not the business itself:
  • "If you’re gonna play, make a play like this, you should do it with real money, not borrowed money." – Dave Ramsey, [04:37]
• The bank is protected; the only real risk is to the caller’s money (the collateralized CD).
  • "Your CD is what you lost. The bank hasn’t got any risk." – Dave Ramsey, [03:31]
• The cycle of escalating risk: Success in this gamble could lead to even riskier, bigger bets, which could eventually wipe him out.

6. The Nature of Commodities: Economics Lesson

• Ramsey explains beef—as with all commodities—is driven strictly by supply and demand, not predictable business metrics.
  • "There’s one thing that drives beef prices. Supply and demand. That’s all." – Dave Ramsey, [04:59]
  • "Anybody that’s playing commodities, 100% of the time, you’re guessing about what the future is going to do... your math was a wild guess." – Dave Ramsey, [05:02–05:14]
• He draws a parallel to oil markets to illustrate volatility:
  • "Look at the barrel of oil and see what it’s done... It’s up and down, up and down, up and down... Based on guess what? Whether the Middle East turns the spigot on or off..." – Dave Ramsey, [05:51–06:15]
• The illusion of expertise: Just knowing cattle doesn’t make someone immune to market swings.
  • "You have talked yourself into believing that you can predict a commodity’s price. That is unbelievably dangerous. And it will end in your failure eventually if you keep doing this." – Dave Ramsey, [06:16]

7. Advice to Young Entrepreneurs

• If you must speculate in commodities, use your own money only, not debt or leverage.
  • "If you’re going to play this game, play it with cash, son. But I wouldn’t play it. I wouldn’t play it at the level you’re playing it. I wouldn’t do it at 20 years old, period." – Dave Ramsey, [07:15]
• Encouragement to study commodity volatility and economics as part of his business education going forward.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "Are you punking me?" – Dave Ramsey, [00:41] (expressing disbelief that any bank would make such a loan)
• "Who made the loan? What's the company's name? I want to make sure all of America hears who's stupid out there?" – Dave Ramsey, [00:55] (mixing humor and exasperation)
• "The only reason Dave and I have a job is because people like you say, if this scheme I'm running just hangs on for three more years, I'm gonna be all right. And it doesn’t." – Co-host, [04:09]
• "You have talked yourself into believing that you can predict a commodity’s price. That is unbelievably dangerous." – Dave Ramsey, [06:16]
• "If you’re going to play this game, play it with cash, son." – Dave Ramsey, [07:18]

Important Timestamps

• [00:23] — Caller’s full debt and business background
• [01:28–01:41] — Explanation of CD as loan collateral
• [02:43–02:48] — Dave’s philosophy against borrowing
• [03:03–03:31] — Co-host outlines specific market risks for beef
• [04:09–04:24] — Urgency to get out of debt, warning against waiting on luck
• [04:59–06:16] — Dave’s economics lesson on commodity markets
• [07:15–07:18] — Final, emphatic advice to caller

Final Thoughts

This episode is a vivid, cautionary tale about the dangers of jumping into leveraged investments, even in fields you know well. Dave Ramsey and his team drive home the point that using debt to speculate on unpredictable markets sets a dangerous precedent—especially for young entrepreneurs. Their advice: if you can’t do the deal with cash, don’t do it at all, and never mistake experience in an industry for immunity to its market risks.