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Emily
I'm calling it. I've got credit card debt that has been bought and they're taking me to court, and I need some advice on how to deal with this before I get to court. I don't want to go to court.
Dave Ramsey
Okay, how much is the debt?
Emily
$6,067.63.
Dave Ramsey
Okay. As a, as a hearing date been set?
Emily
Yes, the 26th of June.
Dave Ramsey
Okay, coming up quick. All right, and why have, why have you not been able to pay it up to now?
Emily
Well, because we had made some bad choices and we couldn't make the payments.
Dave Ramsey
That was pretty vague. What kind of bad choices did you make?
Emily
Well, well, my husband runs his own business and. And it had gotten down to where it was like paycheck to paycheck.
Dave Ramsey
Okay. She won't make any money.
Emily
Not a lot.
Dave Ramsey
Yeah. Okay, so what do you guys make now?
Emily
Oh, gosh.
Dave Ramsey
Hello.
Emily
I don't know.
Dave Ramsey
Oh, you don't know what you make now? Do you work?
Emily
No, I don't.
Dave Ramsey
Okay.
Emily
I'm a stay at home, home, school mom.
Dave Ramsey
Does he work?
Emily
Yes, he works for himself. He runs his own business, which isn't making money.
Dave Ramsey
Is it profitable now?
Emily
It's, it's. It's coming. We're working to get the cash flow again. So.
Chris
So it's not. So how are you guys still surviving off of credit cards?
Dave Ramsey
Are you eating?
Emily
No, we. We don't have any more credit cards. We don't. And this one has not been in use. And so we've cut them all up. We only pay for cash, but we are doing. We are doing okay by the grace of God, because He's. He's what keeps us going and keeps things coming in to where we are able to eat and pay our monthly bills. We are okay as far as all that.
Chris
When you're getting sued and going to court, I would say you're a little less than okay. I mean, you act like everything's going great and it's not. You guys don't have a lot of income coming in. And do you have any more debt outside of this credit card debt that's gone bad?
Dave Ramsey
Meet everydollar budgeters, Christy and Steve. They used to fight about money.
Emily
I'm the spender.
Dave Ramsey
I'm definitely the saver. Now that they budget with every dollar, they're on the same page. Money is definitely one thing we do not ever fight about. Having the budget gave me the permission to spend knowing that the money is in Each category, it just allowed us to work together better. Now that's what we call a win win.
Emily
Now we just have to pick paint colors.
Dave Ramsey
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Chris
And do you have any more debt outside of this credit card debt that's gone bad?
Emily
Just our truck payment and that's it.
Chris
What's the truck pay? How much is.
Emily
It? Is $700.
Dave Ramsey
Okay. All right.
Emily
A month.
Dave Ramsey
She have a truck you can't afford?
Emily
Well, he uses it for.
Dave Ramsey
I don't care what he uses it for. He doesn't have any money, and he has a $700 truck payment, so. No, that's. That's completely insane. All right. The answer to your question is that a debt buyer will buy bad debt, old, bad debt, like credit card debt, for somewhere around a nickel on the dollar. So somewhere around $300 is what they paid for this. Okay. This is an unemotional, quick and easy lawsuit that you will automatically lose. There's no point in even going down there because you owe the money. You did not pay it. He's going to win. That simple. Okay. And then he could take liens against what you have, which is nothing because you don't have anything. You're broke. So there's not a lot that's going to happen. But given that he paid $300 for it, our experience is that probably 1500 dollars cash will settle this. Can you scratch that up?
Emily
Yes.
Chris
In the next two weeks.
Emily
Probably, Yeah.
Dave Ramsey
That's your only shot. I mean, you do not want to put. You do not want to settle for payments. I would rather just let the judgment hit. You're better off to let the judgment hit than you are to settle for payments. So set. Call the attorney's office that sued you and get on the phone with them. You're probably going to be talking to a paralegal, and they are a trained bill collector. So this is not a nice human being.
Emily
Right?
Dave Ramsey
This is not, you know, let me tell you. And please don't bring up God, it's not going to work, okay? Because, you know, don't blame him for this mess. And so. And they'll use that. They'll use that back. They'll use it back on you. I promise you. Anything they can do to needle you to make you afraid or make you angry is their job. And they're very good at doing both. So you've got to get very good shields up emotionally and spiritually. And it's just a simple conversation. I have $1,500. If you will take that as settlement in full, we can do a deal right now. I'm not going to argue with you. If you start a bunch of crap. I'm just going to hang up on you and I'll call back later and get your replacement. Okay? And so you just keep working on it. And you be very, very, very tough and argue and just go, I don't have any. This is how much money I have. If I had a bunch of money, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Don't be stupid. So you need to take this money. It's all I have. And if you will take this as settlement in full and give it to me in writing that it's settled in full for $1,500, I will make arrangements to get you the 15 DOL. Okay? And it's probably going to take a lot more discussion than you and I have had today. You're going to have a lot of arguments and back and forth. May take three or four phone calls. You may go. You need to go talk to your boss because apparently you don't have the power to do a deal. But if they can turn 300 into 1500 and not try to chase you and try to get money out of a broke person, they will. They'll take it. Okay, so great. But you got to pay them in cash, lump sum. Okay? No electronic access to your checking account. No. You don't give them any information about your husband's business. You don't trade any. Do not make their job easier. If they come after you by giving them a bunch of information, keep your mouth shut. As far as your personal details go, okay?
Emily
Okay.
Dave Ramsey
You're dealing with the enemy here. This is a war, and they're good at what they do. You're about to find that out. Okay? So settle it. Lump sum for cash. That fixes it. But, Emily, for gosh sakes, you two, get your crap together. You don't even know what your husband makes, and you're getting sued for $6,000. Y' all need to get your head pulled where you can see sunshine again. And that's a $700 truck payment. When you're calling me broke and getting sued is insanity. There is no rationalization or justification for that. The truck has got to go and husband has to get profitable or he needs to go get a job and feed his family. One of the two. Because you guys are not taking care of business. This credit card debt is not your problem. It's the symptom of your problem. Which is an irregular, horrible income and a lot of mismanagement there. So, you guys, I love you, and I want you to be prosperous and win. And fixing your credit card debt lawsuit is not going to do it because it's not the problem, it's the symptom. Okay? So please go deal with this stuff. If you promise you'll do that, I'll give you some tools to help you do it. You want to work on it or not?
Emily
Yes.
Dave Ramsey
Okay, you hold on. And we'll put you into Financial Peace University and give you every dollar premium. And you and your husband need to sit down and clean his mess up, girl. Y' all been living in stress for so long. I can hear it in your voice. I can hear the pain and the uncertainty in your voice. And by the way, that debt collector is going to hear the same thing I'm hearing. So they're going to smell weakness. They're going to be like a shark with blood in the water. So you got to come in with a little more sass than you came at me with no pauses. A little bit more surety.
Chris
Very confident. That's what you need on this phone call.
Dave Ramsey
And just, you need to get after them and settle this thing. Otherwise, just let it turn into a judgment and then settle the judgment. It's the same thing. It doesn't matter. And they're probably not going to do anything with the judgment. And if they did, you know, I'm not sure exactly what Virginia law allows them to do with garnishments, but there's not a paycheck to garnish, so they'd have to just start scarfing up assets. And they don't want a $700 truck payment any more than you should, so they're not coming after the truck. It's not anything. And your husband doesn't seem to make anything, so I don't know where they're going to get any money. They're probably not going to get any, so they really ought to take this deal. It's good for them. Create your free every dollar budget today. The simplest way to budget for your life.
Summary of "You're Getting Sued - Get Your Crap Together!" Episode
Podcast Information:
In the episode titled "You're Getting Sued - Get Your Crap Together!", host Dave Ramsey addresses a pressing financial distress call from Emily, who is facing a lawsuit due to mounting credit card debt. The episode delves into strategies for managing debt, handling debt collectors, and the importance of financial responsibility.
Emily reaches out to the show seeking urgent advice as she is being sued for unpaid credit card debt amounting to $6,067.63 (00:06). Her main concerns are:
Dave Ramsey evaluates Emily’s situation by asking critical questions about the debt amount, hearing date, and reasons behind the unpaid debt (00:21 - 00:47). Upon discovering that Emily and her husband lack sufficient income and proper financial planning, he emphasizes the severity of their predicament (02:32).
Key Points:
Ramsey outlines a step-by-step approach for Emily to tackle her debt:
Direct Negotiation: Contact the attorney's office handling the lawsuit and negotiate a lump-sum payment (04:58).
Payment Arrangement: Suggest offering $1,500 in cash as a settlement (04:58).
Avoiding Detailed Financial Disclosure: Advise against sharing personal or business financial information with the collector (06:25).
Maintaining Firmness: Encourage Emily to remain tough and not to engage emotionally with debt collectors (05:27 - 06:25).
Beyond addressing the immediate lawsuit, Ramsey points out that Emily’s situation reflects deeper financial mismanagement:
Inadequate Income Tracking: Emily and her husband do not have a clear understanding of their income, which hampers effective budgeting and debt repayment (07:25).
Unsustainable Expenses: The couple maintains a $700 truck payment despite insufficient income, indicating further financial strain (03:38 - 03:43).
Budgeting Importance: Ramsey underscores the necessity of proper budgeting to prevent such crises, recommending tools like the EveryDollar app and enrolling in Financial Peace University (08:41 - 09:10).
Quote: “Get your crap together. You don't even know what your husband makes... You, we’re not taking care of business.” (07:25)
Quote: “Create your free every dollar budget today. The simplest way to budget for your life.” (09:10)
Interwoven in the episode is a brief success story of Christy and Steve, who previously fought over money but turned their financial situation around by adopting the EveryDollar budgeting app:
Before Budgeting: Christy was the spender while Steve was the saver, leading to constant financial disputes (02:51).
After Budgeting: Utilizing EveryDollar allowed them to align their spending with their income, eliminating money-related arguments and fostering teamwork (02:53 - 03:09).
Dave Ramsey wraps up the episode with a strong call to action for Emily and listeners facing similar challenges:
Final Quote: “Y'all have to get your head pulled where you can see sunshine again. And that's a $700 truck payment... fixing your credit card debt lawsuit is not going to do it because it's not the problem, it's the symptom.” (07:25 - 08:41)
Key Takeaways:
This episode serves as a critical reminder of the importance of financial discipline, proactive debt resolution, and continuous education to maintain financial health and avoid legal complications.