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Normal is broke and common sense is weird. So we're here to help you transform your life. From the Ramsey Network and the Fair Winds Credit Union studio, this is the Ramsey Show. I'm Dave Ramsey, your host. George Camel, number one best selling author, Ramsey personality and co host of Smart Money Happy Hour is my, my co host today. Open phones at 888, 825-5225. Nicole is in San Francisco. Hi Nicole, how are you?

Caller (0:41)

Hey, good morning. Merry Christmas.

Dave Ramsey (0:43)

Merry Christmas to you. What's up?

Caller (0:46)

Yes, I just have a question, a rental question. My, my fiance and I have been together almost three years and we're getting married at the end of December. We're very excited and after the, the wedding we're planning on moving in together. Obviously the home that he's living in is a home in with his ex. So his name, his ex's name I just found out recently is still on the lease. Again, it is a rental. He's tried multiple times to get her to take her name off. He even had a court order via some of their custody hearings that the judge said she had to take her name off. She still refuses to do so. His property management company isn't being responsive. I'm a realtor and I spoke with our property management division and they said that basically we have three options. One, the property management company can just out of the goodness of their heart, take her name off and redo the lease with just his and my name to get her to sign the paperwork, which he's been trying to do unsuccessfully. Or three, terminate the lease, likely forfeit the deposit because her name would be on the check and then move out and move back in. The dilemma that I have right now is that I'm not, it feels really, really gross to me to move in, start a marriage and move into a home with this ex's name on it. Mind you, they also have a child together. There's a lot of really gross custody situation going on. So it's not just an ex that we never hear from or speak to. It's, you know, an ongoing problem in our lives. And I just, I don't know if it's worth, am I being dramatic in like the potential issues financially and like losing deposit.

Dave Ramsey (2:17)

When, when is the lease up?

Caller (2:21)

Well, it was up and he's, he's continued to live in the home, so they broke up.

Dave Ramsey (2:27)

No, I mean when is the current, when does the current lease expire?

Summary

The Ramsey Show – Episode Summary

Episode Title: Debt Steals Your Freedom – Fight For Financial Peace
Host: Dave Ramsey
Co-Host: George Kamel
Date: December 10, 2025

Episode Overview

In this powerful episode of The Ramsey Show, Dave Ramsey and co-host George Kamel tackle a series of candid and complex listener questions, all centered around the foundational belief that debt steals freedom and financial peace is worth fighting for. Through real-life stories and practical advice, Dave and George dive deep into the emotional, relational, and mathematical aspects of dealing with debt, enabling listeners to not just manage their money, but to change their lives and family trees.

Key Discussion Points & Caller Questions

1. Dealing with Leases and Lingering Exes

[00:41–08:17]
Caller: Nicole from San Francisco
Nicole, engaged and planning to move in with her fiancé, is troubled that his ex-wife's name remains on the lease of his rental home. Despite court orders and persistent efforts, property management is unresponsive, and the ex refuses to cooperate.

Key Points & Advice:
- Her name on the lease is a liability, not a right to the home. The landlord can remove her from the lease without her permission.
- Dave admonishes Nicole’s fiancé for not handling this sooner and advises Nicole to demand action: “I want my wife to be on our lease, not my ex... You either fix it or I'm moving.” (Dave, 04:01)
- Don’t let saving money (cheaper rent) trump peace and clarity in your new marriage.
Memorable Quote:

"Don't sign up for lack of freedom and drama and call that a good deal. That's not a good deal." – Dave Ramsey (08:04)

2. Drowning in Debt and Reluctance to Make Sacrifices

[10:54–16:26]
Caller: Rachel from Columbia, SC
Rachel, overwhelmed by $120,000 in non-mortgage debt, family medical issues, and a recent job/career shift, wonders how to begin the “baby steps.”

Key Points & Advice:
- Getting caught up on bills precedes financial baby steps.
- Much of the family’s struggle is due to overspending, not just a small reduction in pay.
- Dave firmly prescribes radical action: “Sell the truck, sell the Jeep, sell the boat... Instead of boating, you're calling me, talking about you're so stressed out you can't breathe, and you're $120,000 in debt. You can't afford a boat, you're broke. Go to the park and throw a Frisbee.” (Dave, 14:45)
- The path to change requires pain and responsibility—the time for comfort and rationalizations has passed.

3. Fear of Lowering Emergency Fund During Debt Payoff

[16:43–19:55]
Caller: Kevin from New York
Kevin is afraid to reduce his emergency fund to $1,000 as per the Baby Steps, fearing “Murphy's Law" (something bad will happen).

Key Points & Advice:
- Temporarily reducing savings is about maximizing debt payoff speed, not long-term minimalism.
- Given his $8,600 monthly income and $25K debt, he could be debt-free in 3 months by committing extra savings.
- “Your fear is justified, but it’s not justified enough to stay in debt.” (Dave, 19:06)

4. Family Tenants and Enabling Late Rent

[22:39–31:07]
Caller: Courtney from Los Angeles
She rented her property to her parents, who are consistently late on rent despite exhaustive efforts to help them learn financial responsibility.

Key Points & Advice:
- Courtney’s options: Pay off the house, surrender to sporadic payments, and let them live there stress-free, or sell the house and “cut them loose.”
- “The secret to happiness is low expectations.” (Dave, 26:05)
- “You would not be doing something immoral... You gave 11 years worth of enabling a shot here, and it didn’t work.” – Dave Ramsey (28:52)
- Key lesson: You cannot change people who don’t want to change. Stop enabling and set boundaries.

5. Should I Pay Off My Low Interest Mortgage?

[33:23–36:40]
Caller: Craig from New York
A 70-year-old high net worth caller wonders why he should pay off a $320,000 mortgage at 2.75%, when his investments earn more.

Key Points & Advice:
- Dave argues for the intangible benefit: “You'll sleep better. Peace is going to run down your spine when you pay this off.” (Dave, 34:38)
- Debt, regardless of interest rate, adds risk and complexity, outstripping any minor mathematical gains.
- “If you want to keep your mortgage like it’s a pet, that’s fine. But some people keep pet snakes – I don’t.” (Dave, 35:33)

6. Large Student Loan Debt, Low Income – What Now?

[37:23–41:06]
Caller: Carolina from Las Vegas
With $90,000 in student debt, a family of three, and low income, Carolina seeks advice on balancing debt payoff and saving for her daughter’s college.

Key Points & Advice:
- Focus on completing education and increasing income before aggressive debt repayment or college savings.
- No investing or saving for child’s college until the household is stabilized and out of debt.
- Both spouses should work extra jobs as able.

7. Serial Entrepreneurship Confusion and the Passive Income Trap

[54:29–63:18]
Caller: Angel from San Francisco
Angel, a hardworking owner-operator of a trucking business, seeks ways to create passive income as he's exhausted by business cycles and failed ventures.

Key Points & Advice:
- Small business typically yields the most return for effort—serial entrepreneurship without focus leads to failure.
- Invest steadily in mutual funds and (when well-capitalized and debt-free) real estate.
- Avoid get-rich-quick, and beware of online scams claiming Ramsey endorsement.
- “Jack of all trades, master of none. Don't lose your focus.” (Dave, 63:23)

8. Inspiring Debt-Free Calls and Life Stories

Alex and Amanda’s Debt-Free Story

[65:52–74:39]

$100,000 paid off in 5 years (entire mortgage), income grew from $80K–$130K.
Three children through embryo adoption, moved from NJ to PA to lower living costs.
“You can do anything if you work together and communicate.” – Alex (70:11)
Key motivators: family support, visual progress charts, and living intentionally.

Christopher’s Debt-Free Story

[107:16–116:23]

$104,500 (house) paid off in just over 4 years, income grew from $30K to $70K.
Used Smart Dollar benefit through his government employer.
Example of living simply, buying a modest home, and building wealth at a young age.
“People think that it’s unaffordable, but it really is not. You have to have a goal in mind.” – Christopher (111:52)

9. Elderly Remarriage, Family Inheritance, and Prenups

[96:45–106:01]
Caller: Jack, 76, Kansas City
Widower Jack is preparing to remarry, but his adult children are insisting on prenups and background checks for his new fiancée.

Key Points & Advice:
- Dave recommends transparency (full financial disclosures), mutual background checks, and a prenup for existing assets to preserve clarity and family peace.
- “Do a prenup on existing assets... Not for your children's sake, but for your own.” – Dave (101:27)
- Set clear boundaries with family; don't let their greed drive your decisions.

10. Miscellaneous Lightning-Round Advice

High-mileage truck with a loan? Pay it off, drive it into the ground, avoid new debt. (120:12–123:52)
Saving for daughter's college with child support? Move funds to a 529 plan for tax-free growth, but don't moralize about using child support for her expenses. (124:04–127:02)
Job loss just before the holidays? Set aside emotions and proactively use your network, update your resume, and don't panic—focus on the next opportunity.

Notable Quotes & Moments

“Don’t sign up for lack of freedom and drama and call that a good deal. That’s not a good deal.”
— Dave Ramsey ([08:04])
“Sell the truck, sell the Jeep, sell the boat... You can’t afford a boat, you’re broke. Go to the park and throw a Frisbee.”
— Dave Ramsey ([14:45])
Family Enabling:

“If they wanted to, they would. If they wanted to pay on time, they would. If they wanted to become debt free, they would. And so you just can’t change people.” – George Kamel ([29:28])
Mortgage as a Pet Snake:

“If you want to keep your mortgage like it’s a pet, that’s fine. But some people keep pet snakes – I don’t.” – Dave Ramsey ([35:33])
On Fear:

“Your fear is justified, but it’s not justified enough to stay in debt.” – Dave Ramsey ([19:06])

Debt-Free Screams – The Emotional Core

Alex & Amanda:
“3, 2, 1…WE’RE DEBT FREE!” ([73:09])
Christopher:
“Three, two, one. I'm debt free!” ([116:14])

Timestamps for Key Segments

[00:41] Lease drama and ex-spouse on housing lease
[10:54] Overwhelmed by debt—selling assets or not?
[16:43] Emergency fund fear and rational debt payoff speed
[22:39] Enabling family and overdue rent
[33:23] Debate over paying off a low-interest mortgage
[37:23] Young couple balancing school, debt, and hope
[54:29] Entrepreneur confusion – passive income and business fatigue
[65:52] Alex & Amanda’s mortgage-free celebration
[107:16] Christopher, age 30, owns his paid-off home
[96:45] Elderly remarriage, kids, and issues of trust, assets, and prenups

Show Closing Message

Dave’s Parting Words:
“There’s ultimately only one way to financial peace, and that’s to walk daily with the Prince of Peace, Christ Jesus.”
([127:35])

Takeaways

Debt is about more than numbers; it’s about freedom, dignity, and peace of mind.
The “normal” American financial path leads to stress. To achieve different results, you must act differently—be “weird.”
Sacrifice and intentionality pay off—move to a cheaper area, sell stuff you can’t afford, and set boundaries with people, even family.
The path to wealth is accessible, but it demands responsibility, honesty (with yourself and others), and a willingness to give up short-term comfort for long-term peace and options.

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