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George Camel here with a quick PSA before the calls start coming in. If you want to leave the Money stress in 2025, you need a plan that works. So take what you learned today and put it to work in every dollar, download the app and start for free.

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Today.

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Normal is broke and common sense is weird. So we're here to help you transform your life. From the Ramsey Network and the Fairwinds Credit union Studio, this is the Ramsey Show. I'm George Camel joined by my pal and co host on Smart Money Happy Hour, another great show on the Ramsey Network. Rachel Cruz is here with us as well. We're here to answer your calls about life and money. The number is 888-825-5225. Miguel kicks us off in Dallas, Texas. What's going on, Miguel?

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Hey, George. How you doing?

A (0:57)

Doing great. How can we help today?

C (1:00)

Yeah. Hey, so, yeah, I'll be following you guys for quite a bit sometime now. Kind of wish I'd started earlier like most people, but 100% same here we are. You know, I'm working on step number six, thankfully. But I do have a question, because I listen to Dave say all the time how credit cards are the devil and they are the worst thing that one person can use. And I agree with all of that, except. So a really long time ago, kind of like Dave, I at a very young age, I did bankruptcy. And since then I learned to live within my means. But I've had a lot of credit cards since then. I just paid them off at the end of the month. I don't have any credit card debt. I haven't had for over 10, 15 years now.

D (1:56)

Good.

C (1:57)

So my question is, you know, if I pay off my credit cards at the end of the month and I am using them a lot so that I can get, like, you know, free tickets to travel with my family and stuff like that, would you still recommend that I don't do that? If so, why? Or is it okay for me to continue using my credit cards as long as I pay them off?

A (2:21)

Well, as of this recording, it's still a free country, so you are free to do as you wish, Miguel. And so is it okay? Sure, if it's working for you, go for it. But the reason you called in, there's something inside of you that maybe is thinking, thinking, is there a better way? Could I be doing better? Could I optimize if I use my own money instead of using someone else's and paying it back every month later on? Sure. You could make the argument in hypotheticals all day long. But the real thing here is you're using it to get free travel, correct? Did I hear that right?

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Early Money Decisions Shape Your Financial Future"

The Ramsey Show – December 31, 2025
Hosts: George Kamel & Rachel Cruze
Network: Ramsey Network

Episode Overview

This episode centers around the pivotal role of early financial decisions in shaping one’s financial future. George Kamel and Rachel Cruze, co-hosts and Ramsey personalities, take listener calls to address common money dilemmas—ranging from credit cards and student loans to renting, career moves, and investing. The hosts emphasize Ramsey’s core philosophy: living below your means, avoiding debt, and making money serve your life, not the other way around. Through audience stories and practical guidance, the show highlights the impact of intentional choices on breaking negative cycles and creating generational wealth.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Credit Card Rewards vs. Real Wealth Building

(Starts ~01:00)

Miguel from Dallas shares he uses credit cards for all expenses and pays them off monthly to maximize travel rewards.
George challenges Miguel to consider if the “rewards” are actually worth the possible unconscious overspending:

“Studies have been done, and it has been proven mathematically that you do actually end up spending more when you’re spending it with a credit card…without you even realizing it, you end up spending more.” – Rachel (06:10)
Rachel adds a moral objection, noting that rewards are subsidized by those trapped in debt and that true freedom and peace come from not playing the credit card game.
Memorable quote:

“You’re not even realizing the amount of money you’re actually overspending. So, over years of hundreds of thousands of dollars on this credit card to get $4,000 of flights, what could have been saved may have been even more.” – Rachel (06:45)
Takeaway: Even disciplined credit card users may spend more than they think; debit cards foster greater intentionality.

2. Building Credit vs. Living Without Debt

(~10:37)

Jake (recent high school grad) asks if he needs credit to get a mortgage.
George explains manual underwriting: before credit scores, lenders evaluated your payment history and income directly.

“That’s all manual underwriting is—instead of relying on a credit score, it relies on a real person to look at your documentation.” – George (12:10)
Rachel: “You’re at a great age…these principles will help you live debt-free and build wealth in a healthy, solid way.” (13:37)
Resource offered: George’s book “Breaking Free from Broke.”

3. Character, Work Ethic, and Financial Maturity in Relationships

(~14:24, Derek’s Call)

Derek is concerned his girlfriend and her family lack work ethic, relying on parents for years while in college.
Rachel and George discuss the red flags: lack of motivation, character, and self-sufficiency in adulthood can bleed into other areas of life and relationships.
Key Quote:

“There’s a level of resilience you want in a partner. A little grit…none of that is coming through right now.” – Rachel (19:07)
Advice: It’s fair to expect your partner to show initiative. Derek is advised to give her a chance to step up, but make choices based on character and long-term alignment.

4. Breaking Spending Habits & Gaining Motivation

(22:37, Gabe’s Call)

Gabe, a 20-year-old DoorDash driver, struggles to save, spending most earnings.
Rachel and George recommend crafting new habits, automating savings, and setting aside money for specific goals.
Rachel:

“Work on your habits... when you kind of get those in place, your behavior changes.” (28:13)
George notes the benefits of living on your own for building discipline, rather than staying in a comfort zone.

5. Should I Use Savings to Start a Side Business?

(35:40, Lauren’s Call)

Lauren, working two jobs, considers using $3,000–$5,000 from savings to expand her event backdrop business.
Hosts guide her through risk analysis and the importance of only investing what you can afford to lose, emphasizing that her proven demand and connections bode well.
Rachel: “You’re doing your gut so far is correct.” (41:06)
Advice: Grow slowly, reinvest profits, and maintain a healthy safety net.

6. College Dreams vs. Financial Reality

(43:19, Emma’s Call)

Emma, 18, gets into her dream private college with a partial scholarship, but faces over $100k in loans.
Rachel emphasizes maturity comes from living within your means:

“A sign of maturity is choosing to live within your means—you don’t get to do everything you want.” (47:06)
George underscores career realities:

“There is no summer camp director job that pays enough to cover the payments on the student loans.” (50:12)
Advice: Community college or debt-free paths are wiser. Listen to family wisdom and avoid crippling debt for a degree you may not need.

7. When to Change Careers or Sell a Business

(53:39, Corey’s Call)

Corey considers selling his food truck (involved debt and burnout) to take a higher-paying chef job.
Hosts validate his fatigue and the wisdom of moving to stability:

“It’s not hassle free… Not always with the guarantee that it’s going to be successful.” – Rachel (57:06)
Strategic step: Wait until enough cash saved to cover negative vehicle equity.
Encouragement: Budgeting becomes easier with less debt and more income.

8. Guilt Over ‘Tainted’ Money – Child Support

(64:44, Sarah’s Call)

Sarah struggles with guilt about using child support (from a negative relationship) during times of need.
Rachel reframes the money:

“Refiling it in your brain: this is ‘changing my family tree’ money to set up my child for a better life…” (69:39)
Advice: Don’t carry emotional debt; use the funds for your child’s benefit and let go of shame.

9. Miscellaneous Q&A: Cell Phones, Well-Drilling Emergencies, and More

(32:45) Don’t finance cell phones—avoid installment “debt” and buy used or cheaper if needed.
(76:41) When faced with major home repairs (e.g., well drilling), weigh DIY options if capable, but build emergency funds back up after.
(86:23) Becoming a landlord isn’t always worth the hassle for quick mortgage payoff if your primary income and living situation is stable.

10. Investing Basics for Beginners

(95:58)

Baby steps before investing: Emergency fund, pay off non-mortgage debt, THEN invest.
Invest 15% of household income in tax-advantaged retirement accounts (match > Roth > traditional).
Understand vehicles: 401(k), Roth IRA, mutual funds.
Work with an advisor who acts as a teacher.
Quote: “You start building for the future instead of paying for the past.” – George (97:41)
Resource: Detailed article on how to start investing at ramseysolutions.com.

11. Debt-Free Scream: Real-Life Transformation

(106:46)

Nicholas & Devoni: Paid off $232,200 in 4 years, including their mortgage.
Started with the “pandemic panic,” side hustles, and intentional progress.
Quote:

“If we can do it, anybody can do it.”– Nicholas (112:27)

Notable & Memorable Quotes

“A sign of maturity is choosing to live within your means—you don’t get to do everything you want.” – Rachel (47:06)
“There’s a level of resilience you want in a partner. A little grit…none of that is coming through right now.” – Rachel (19:07)
“You start building for the future instead of paying for the past.” – George (97:41)
“If we can do it, anybody can do it.” – Nicholas, debt-free guest (112:27)
“Refiling it in your brain: this is changing my family tree money to set up my child for a better life…” – George (69:39)

Timestamps for Key Segments

Credit Cards & Rewards: 01:00–09:00
Building Credit/Manual Underwriting: 10:37–14:18
Work Ethic in Relationships: 14:24–20:09
Forming Money Routines (Gabe): 22:37–30:56
Small Business & Savings (Lauren): 35:40–41:45
Private College Reality Check (Emma): 43:19–51:50
Career Change/Sell Business (Corey): 53:39–60:37
Guilt and "Tainted" Money: 64:44–71:25
DIY Emergency Repairs: 76:41–83:00
Landlord Dilemma: 86:23–94:53
Investing Primer: 95:58–105:28
Debt-Free Scream – Nicholas & Devoni: 106:46–115:49

Style & Tone

The episode is marked by practical wisdom, warm encouragement, and tough love—delivered with a blend of humor and transparency. Rachel and George maintain an empathetic and candid tone, gently challenging listeners while also cheering their progress, always rooting for financial hope and freedom.

For New Listeners

This episode is packed with advice relevant to anyone navigating money choices at pivotal life stages: entering adulthood, considering marriage, starting businesses, or planning for retirement. If you need encouragement to break from “normal” American money mistakes and proof that positive change is possible—this is your episode.

For full resources or to ask a live question, visit Ramsey Solutions.