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Normal is broke and common sense is weird. So we're here to help you transform your life. From the Ramsey Network in the Fairwinds Credit Union studio, this is the Ramsey show. And I'm Rachel Cruz hosting this hour with Dr. John Deloney. And we are answering your questions about life, money, career, relationships, anything and everything. So give us a call at 808-825-5225. All right, first up in Vancouver, we have Sarah on the line. Hi, Sarah.

Caller 1 (0:45)

Hi.

Rachel Cruz (0:46)

Hi. Welcome to the show.

Caller 1 (0:48)

Thank you for having me.

Rachel Cruz (0:49)

Absolutely. How can we help today?

Caller 1 (0:52)

So I've been married for 46 years and my husband is. Does not contribute financially to the household finances. And he's also not healthy. And I that he's been having an affair probably for about 30 years, which.

Caller 2 (1:07)

Has been able to go on because.

Caller 1 (1:08)

He'S had a cell phone for a long time and he worked shift work, which made it really convenient to sneak around.

Dr. John Deloney (1:16)

Good career.

Caller 2 (1:17)

I'm wondering, is it worth divorcing at this point in time or do I.

Caller 1 (1:21)

Just wait until he dies because he's.

Caller 2 (1:23)

Not taking care of himself health wise?

Dr. John Deloney (1:25)

Holy smokes.

Rachel Cruz (1:26)

Gosh, Sarah. Okay, so when you say he was having an affair for 30 years, was it with the same woman or. It's been off and on multiple.

Dr. John Deloney (1:35)

So he's, he's been running.

Caller 1 (1:36)

Well, I believe there's been others, but I believe there's been one very long term.

Rachel Cruz (1:40)

Summary

The Ramsey Show – Episode Summary

Episode: “My Husband Has Been Cheating On Me For 30 Years”
Date: November 25, 2025
Hosts: Rachel Cruze and Dr. John Deloney

Overview

This episode of The Ramsey Show tackles a diverse range of listener questions around relationships, financial crises, career dilemmas, debt, home buying, and family dynamics. Rachel Cruze and Dr. John Deloney provide candid, compassionate, and firm advice—never shying from hard truths, but always reminding listeners they’re not alone. The central thread: taking control—emotionally and financially—often requires confronting uncomfortable realities, establishing new boundaries, and rebuilding trust in oneself.

Notable Callers & Key Discussion Points

1. Sarah’s Story: 30 Years of Betrayal and Financial Neglect

(00:45–08:33)
Theme: Relationship crisis, infidelity, financial boundaries, self-trust

Summary:
- Sarah from Vancouver reveals she’s been married for 46 years, with her husband having a long-term affair (30 years) and a pattern of financial neglect.
- He paid only the mortgage (over 20 years ago); she’s covered everything else since.
- She recently caught him and his girlfriend at her home, contemplates divorce vs. "waiting it out," and struggles with the sunk costs (emotional, financial, pension implications).
Hosts’ Response:
- Dr. John reframes her situation: "You’ve been divorced for 30 years. Y’all just have been living in the same house." (02:01)
- He highlights the challenge of lost self-trust: “One of the things that nobody ever talks about is that scary, terrifying realization that you don’t trust you either because part of you knew something wasn’t right.” (03:06)
- Rachel advises keeping finances separate and asserts: "The money's the symptom, right, you guys?" (04:53)
- Dr. John gently refuses to tell Sarah what to do but insists she get support and clarity: “You’re not crazy. You’ve been cheated on multiple times for a long, long time. I want you to reestablish yourself as somebody you can trust.” (07:46)
- Both stress getting professionals and community support regardless of whether she stays or leaves.
Notable Quote:
- Dr. John: "As my boss Dave Ramsey always says, when your spirit leaves, let your body leave, too." (07:20)

2. Sean’s Emergency Fund Depletion & Debt Spiral

(10:25–19:50)
Theme: Debt resurgence, lifestyle choices, budgeting discipline

Summary:
- Sean and his wife depleted their emergency fund due to HR errors (taxes not withheld), maintenance costs, and car repairs.
- Accumulated $95k in consumer debt, $7k loan against retirement, and used a car loan solution (electric vehicle) to offset fuel costs—justifying borrowing instead of cash flow.
Hosts’ Response:
- Rachel challenges Sean to rethink their decision-making framework: “Everything you do going forward has to be a 180 degree difference. ... Is this really the wisest decision right now?” (15:26)
- Dr. John asserts: “None of this will change unless one of the chief principles of your home is 'we do not borrow money.'” (15:26)
- Advice: Create a strict EveryDollar budget, cut all nonessentials, consider selling cars to realign with income, and rebuild emergency fund.

3. James’ Dilemma: Tithing vs. Paying Off Debt

(21:51–31:34) Theme: Financial priorities, giving, faith and money

Summary:
- James and wife are on Baby Step 2, questioning tithing consistency while attacking debt.
Hosts’ Response:
- Rachel frames giving as a holistic character issue, not just a financial/legalistic checkbox: “There’s something about living a selfless life and knowing the ownership of our money as God’s.” (23:00)
- Dr. John: “Money is a spiritual issue and work is a spiritual issue… there is something powerful about starting every check with, ‘this part is for others.’” (26:17)
- Both encourage continuing to give—amount can flex—in order to cement identity and value systems, not just numbers.
Exercise:
- Dr. John: “Come up with five to ten ‘We are’ statements (e.g., ‘The Smiths are people who...’)—let those values frame your actions.” (29:08)

4. Family Financial Entanglements and Sibling Loans

(43:52–51:53) Theme: Enabling, family loans, boundaries, future family rifts

Summary:
- Mike’s sister is divorcing, expects parents to give her $800k (potentially their nest egg), wants to buy out husband from home and dental practice.
- Mike worries this bails out her lifestyle, risks parents’ security, and cements dysfunctional family patterns.
Hosts’ Response:
- Dr. John: “Her world blew up. ... That doesn’t give license to avoid reality moving forward.” (48:03)
- Rachel: The gift risks creating rifts and lifelong resentment.
- Dr. John: “He is guaranteeing by his participation in this—in your sister’s pain—not just sitting with her in the pain... there will be a rift in their relationship forever.” (50:20)
- Advice: Mike can't control the outcome, but should state opinion and prepare to accept parents' decision.

5. Young People Navigating College Debt and Life Choices

(33:12–40:31) Theme: Cash-flowing college, “living a little,” working through school

Summary:
- Oren (20) is working through community college, has $12k in student loans, but wants to pay cash for next semester and still enjoy life.
- Torn between advice to “live simple” vs. “missing out.”
Hosts’ Response:
- Rachel and Dr. John affirm finding joy in low-cost hobbies (kayaking, bowling), and recommend cash flowing school as top priority, then budgeting some for fun.
- Dr. John pushes having more than a part-time job and defying advisor "you can't work a lot" dogma. “Work full time, get another part time job, and get done with your school.” (36:10)
- Advice: Write a letter to his 40-year-old self, sacrificing now for future freedom.

6. Other Call Highlights

Co-signed Car Loan Regrets:
- CJ, 22, co-signed for mother's car (now in $60k combined debt); hosts stress establishing boundaries, downsizing car, and starting the debt snowball. (56:10–63:25)
Housing Choices & Emergency Fund Planning:
- Cynthia in Miami considers selling her home to clear $200k in debt and build a new foundation. Rachel and Dr. John urge her to promise not to impulsively spend newfound equity, to set up an emergency fund, and rent before rebuying. (87:09–95:16)
Career Crossroads for a Young Utility Worker:
- Anthony, away for work but earning well, debates sticking it out for a higher-paying future or quitting now. Advice: Set a “number” to save before switching, reassess with spouse what life they want to build together. (97:46–106:01)
Inheritance With Emotional Strings:
- Ryan inherits a house with $120,000 IRS debt and sentimental value. Emotional attachment is high, but hosts agree: sell the house, pay debts, don’t take on burdensome joint property with siblings. (117:58–127:17)

Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

Dr. John Deloney (on Sarah’s marriage):

“You’ve been divorced for 30 years. Y’all just have been living in the same house.” (02:01)
Rachel Cruze (on finances after relational betrayal):

“The money's the symptom, right, you guys?” (04:53)
Dr. John Deloney (self-trust):

“What I would tell you is, for the first time, actually sit down and be honest with you about what you know. ... Do you trust yourself not to squash that inner voice anymore?” (04:03/07:46)
Rachel Cruze (giving while getting out of debt):

“Giving is like the one area of money I’m like, I don’t want you to be legalistic... the change that happens within you as you are giving is worth maybe that two to three months of being in debt longer.” (27:53)
Dr. John Deloney (on family loans):

“He is guaranteeing by his participation... there will be a rift in their relationship forever.” (50:20)
Dr. John Deloney (on young adult priorities):

“If you will invest in one person, and that’s you, for the next five to 10 years, you will have no idea what ‘living a little’ looks like... because you will be free.” (36:40)
Dr. John (on sentimental inheritance):

“My granddad is not in that jacket. He’s right here. … Sometimes these sentimental things, they become bricks we carry around.” (125:18)

Timestamps of Important Segments

00:45–08:33 — Sarah’s marital crisis and self-reconstruction
10:25–19:50 — Sean’s debt, emergency fund, and budgeting plan
21:51–31:34 — Tithing, giving, and building a family money identity
33:12–40:31 — Oren’s college debt, life choices, and work ethic
43:52–51:53 — Mike’s family loan dilemma and generational boundaries
56:10–63:25 — CJ’s co-signed car loan and debt snowball strategy
87:09–95:16 — Cynthia’s house sale and fresh financial start
97:46–106:01 — Anthony’s career crossroads and family priorities
117:58–127:17 — Ryan’s bittersweet inheritance and letting go

Tone & Style

The episode stays true to The Ramsey Show’s direct but compassionate style. Rachel and Dr. John offer empathy, especially for callers in deep distress, while also challenging their mindsets with practical, sometimes tough-love advice. Success is framed as an outcome of daily, intentional sacrifice—not quick fixes nor avoidance of uncomfortable truths.

Key Takeaways

Radical honesty with oneself is often the turning point (Sarah’s story).
Setting hard boundaries—on debt, family loans, or enabling behavior—is key to preventing deeper wounds.
Budgeting is not inherently restrictive; when values are clear, it’s liberating.
Generational patterns and emotional attachments can sabotage financial futures unless acknowledged and disrupted.
Identity statements and value-driven decisions outlast “tips & tricks.”
You’re not alone—whether facing infidelity, enabling parents, job misery, or income anxiety, the path forward begins with courageous, clear-eyed steps and community support.

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“My Husband Has Been Cheating On Me For 30 Years”