You Can Rebuild No Matter Where You Are

Summary

The Ramsey Show – “You Can Rebuild No Matter Where You Are” (Oct 27, 2025)

Overview

This episode of The Ramsey Show is anchored by hosts Jade Warshaw and George Kamel. They guide listeners through overcoming financial setbacks and building a healthy relationship with money—regardless of past mistakes. Through live calls, the hosts tackle real-life financial dilemmas: family boundaries around money, navigating unemployment, supporting elderly relatives in crisis, getting out of debt, marriage and money merging, and large inheritance disputes. The episode’s tone is compassionate yet firm, balancing tough love with practical encouragement. Central themes include boundaries, communication, and finding hope at any financial stage.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Parental Overspending & Setting Boundaries

[00:39–08:36] – Caller: Amy, Canada

• Situation: Amy feels uncomfortable accepting lavish gifts from her parents, whom she knows are in significant debt. Her parents resist boundaries and overspend for holidays, sometimes funding family trips the younger generation can’t afford.
• Advice: Jade and George stress you can't change your parents' behavior, but you can protect your boundaries and opt out of receiving costly gifts or trips. Jade recommends a proactive conversation clarifying that Amy and her spouse don't plan to financially support her folks in retirement:

  “I keep calling your husband Steve…I just want you to know, Steve and I are not going to be able to contribute to your retirement.” – Jade, [05:33]

• Takeaway: Set boundaries lovingly, communicate expectations early, and focus on what you can control—your own financial decisions and responses.

2. Workplace Layoff, 401k Rollovers, & Confidence After Job Loss

[11:02–20:13] – Caller: Mike, Oklahoma

• Situation: Mike was laid off from the oil industry and is worried about running out of savings. He’s unsure about whether to roll his 401k into an IRA, and doubts the transferability of his skills.
• Advice:
  • Roll the 401k directly to a traditional IRA for more investment options and to avoid penalties.
  • Recognize transferable skills—in Mike’s case, industrial maintenance.
  • Build confidence: Taking any job now, even if it’s just side gigs, is better than draining savings and losing momentum.

    “…any job is good until you get the job.” – Jade, [15:25]

• Notable Moment: Jade identifies Mike’s mindset as a bigger hurdle than his resume, encouraging small wins to rebuild confidence. Resources from Ken Coleman are recommended.

3. Care for Aging Relatives & Navigating Elder Care Options

[23:15–31:08] – Caller: Nathan, West Virginia

• Situation: Nathan cares for his 89-year-old aunt, whose care costs exceed her monthly income. Unsure if debt products (reverse mortgage/home equity loan) are options; facing her assets running out.
• Advice:
  • Avoid debt for elder care (no reverse mortgages or loans).
  • Investigate Medicaid/state programs and downsizing (selling her home) to cover future expenses.
  • If possible, family should help pay off small high-interest debts to free up cash flow.
• Tough Truth:

  “The only easy thing to do would be to go into debt—and that’s a terrible, terrible solution.” – George, [29:49]

• Takeaway: When resources are limited, tough decisions may be needed: consider moving in with family, leveraging assets, and prioritizing essentials over debt payments.

4. Debt-Free Goals, Low Income, and Timeline Calculations

[34:07–41:45] – Caller: Mary, Columbus, Ohio

• Situation: Mary is overwhelmed by $60k in debt (mostly student loans) and a $45k salary in ministry. She wants a realistic debt-free timeline.
• Advice:
  • Double income, if possible, by leveraging her project management skills beyond her current role.
  • Use the debt snowball method; living on a tight budget means any income increase can be maximized for debt payoff.
  • Example math:

    “If you can throw $2,000 total at your debts, you’re done with this thing in two and a half years.” – George, [40:31]

• Encouragement: With urgency and a mindset shift, debt can be cleared much faster than expected by increasing income and focusing all extra money on smallest debts first.

5. Young Couples, Debt, and Unmarried Co-Habitation Risks

[45:12–53:12] – Caller: Shelby, Missouri

• Situation: Eighteen, living with her fiancé, significant car debt (not in her name), currently unemployed, relying on fiancé’s income.
• Advice:
  • Urgently address exposure: “You’re very exposed right now… I want you to be in a safer space.”
  • Get married if the relationship is long-term and both families support it, then combine finances.
  • Dump the expensive car; do not swap debts back-and-forth as unmarried individuals.
• Memorable Quote:

  “You both have it twisted—you’re getting everything out of order and it’s getting real tangled up.” – Jade, [53:12]

6. Major Career Changes: Balancing Dream Jobs and Family Stability

[55:30–64:28] – Caller: Daniel, Rhode Island

• Situation: Daniel is offered his dream job in a new city, potential for significant growth, but must relocate and disrupt both his and his wife’s current stable careers/support network.
• Discussion:
  • George advocates—with caution—for chasing the dream now, before kids arrive.

    "Nothing is fatal. You have freedom to jump again if needed.” – George, [57:42]

  • Jade encourages making the decision a “90/10” clarity instead of 50/50, prioritizing marital alignment and peace, not just financial logic.
• Takeaway: Both spouses need to feel unified about such a big move. Don’t rush, seek clarity, and make the leap only when peace is mutual.

7. Financial Rock Bottom: Divorce, Underwater House, and Crushing Debt

[66:44–76:13] – Caller: Elle, Idaho

• Situation: $212k total debt, $19k in credit cards, house unsellable due to condition/divorce stalemate, unusable vehicle with negative equity. Barely breaking even.
• Advice:
  • Try to get out from the underwater vehicle by securing a small loan to bridge the difference.
  • Prioritize force-selling the house, even at a loss, to stabilize finances. Seek legal recourse if co-owner blocks rational decisions.
  • Take on any available side work, even if inconvenient.
• Notable Quote:

  "We don't have the luxury of trying to get the most. We just need to get out of this so you can both have some clothes and stabilize your financial lives." – George, [73:27]

8. Temptation to Go into Debt for "Side Hustle" Dreams

[77:33–85:43] – Caller: Bri, Philadelphia

• Situation: Husband wants to quit his salaried job and take out a car loan (on wife's credit) to drive Uber, influenced by a friend's “success story”; family already $40k in debt, another baby on the way.
• Advice:
  • Absolutely do not quit stable income or add car debt to pursue speculative gigs.
  • Combine finances, and get on a zero-based budget to control spending—a key issue since they can’t track their cash flow.
  • George’s cultural insight for immigrants: Don’t fall for the “American Dream” of endless debt for flashy lifestyle:

    “The American dream is NOT going into as much debt as possible to fund a fake lifestyle.” – George, [84:33]

• Action Items:
  1. No debt for job change.
  2. Wait until after childbirth for any major changes.
  3. Have a transparent financial conversation about spending and priorities.

9. Multi-Generational Family Property Disputes

[87:53–96:49] – Caller: Elijah, California

• Situation: Family bought grandpa’s house to ‘keep it in the family’; three adults (including caller) on mortgage/title, but no legal agreement. Now, there are disputes over equity, taxes, and ownership percentages, worsened by failed communication and an equity loan.
• Advice:
  • When you buy property as “business partners” with family, make everything clear and in writing from the start.
  • Work with a lawyer to force the sale if needed; be wary of fighting over shrinking profits after fees and loans.
• Key Insight:

  “This is destroying a legacy, not helping keep it up.” – George, [95:36]

10. Spousal Disagreement Over Inheritance Management

[118:08–126:49] – Caller: Lauren, North Carolina

• Situation: Inheritance left by Lauren's father ($2M+ in various assets); spouse pushes to sell a sentimental car (Lexus) and manage money his own way, while Lauren feels emotionally attached and unheard.
• Advice:
  • Major marital red flag: Both must agree on large decisions, especially with windfalls.
  • Jade:

    “It’s okay for you guys to not do anything until there’s mutual agreement. That’s not being disrespectful.” – Jade, [125:50]

  • Get educated about wealth, and involve professional advisors; create a long-term vision together before taking action.
• Underlying Issue: The car is symbolic—a symptom of deeper relationship and control struggles over money and voices being heard.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “Set some expectations on my end regarding your retirement. …I want to tell you that early and often so there’s no expectation that we would be able to help you out financially in any way.” – Jade, [05:08]
• “Any job is good until you get the job.” – Jade, [15:25]
• “Don’t put off important things—pay off your debt now when you’re young and you can work extra and take advantage of compounding interest.” – Jade, [31:08]
• “You’re very exposed right now, Shelby…I want you to be in a safer space for you, especially at 18.” – Jade, [48:54]
• “Nothing is fatal. Let’s say you move, you take the next gig… You have the freedom to make that jump, too.” – George, [57:42]
• “This is destroying a legacy, not helping keep it up.” – George, [95:36]
• “You do have a vote in this, and it’s okay for you to say ‘I don’t want to do that’. Stop and don’t do anything until both of us agree.” – Jade, [125:50]
• “The American dream is NOT going into as much debt as possible to fund a fake lifestyle.” – George, [84:33]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Parental Boundaries & Gifting: [00:39–08:36]
• 401k After Layoff, Confidence in New Career: [11:02–20:13]
• Elder Care, Medicaid vs. Debt: [23:20–31:08]
• Paying Off Debt with Low Income: [34:07–41:45]
• Young Couples, Marriage Before Money: [45:12–53:12]
• Major Career Decisions & Family: [55:30–64:28]
• Divorce, Negative Equity, Financial Overwhelm: [66:44–76:13]
• Temptation to Quit Job for Uber: [77:33–85:43]
• Family Property Disputes: [87:53–96:49]
• Spousal Disagreement on Inheritance: [118:08–126:49]

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Wrap-Up: Tone and Takeaways

This episode emphasized “there’s always a path to rebuild, no matter how messy it seems.” Jade and George kept the conversation honest and empathetic, encouraging hard but necessary conversations—whether drawing boundaries with parents, supporting loved ones, or hashing out money issues in a relationship.

The episode closed by underscoring that handling money well is as much about mindset and relationships as budgeting or investments.

“There’s ultimately only one way to financial peace, and that is to walk daily with the Prince of Peace, Christ Jesus.” – Jade, [end]

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This summary reflects the central themes, major conversations, and actionable insights from the October 27, 2025 episode of The Ramsey Show.

Transcript

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[Jade Warshaw]

Normal is broke and common sense is weird. So we're here to help you transform your life. From the Ramsey Network in the Fair Ones credit union studio, this is the Ramsey Show. I'm Jade Warshaw. Next to me, George Camel. Taking calls about your life and your money all hour long and even longer. So if you want to get involved, numbers, call-882-55-5225. That's how you do it. All right. Amy is in Canada. Hey, Amy, how can we help you out today?

[Caller]

Hey, thanks for taking my call. So my question is how to navigate parents giving lots of gifts, knowing it's from debt and it makes us feel anxious. So, yeah, I guess just wondering, is it okay to say no to my parents spending money on our family?

[Jade Warshaw]

Well, yeah, of course you can always say no. I mean, you don't have to accept it. But I kind of want to get juicy. I want to know more about what type of, what kind of gifts these are.

[George Camel]

How much are they spending? How long has this been going on?

[Caller]

Yeah, so they, so they'll spend upwards of two grand per child. So four kids, multiple grandchildren for Christmas and even for birthdays where they always want to take us out for dinner. They always have points to upgrade their flights or our flights or fly us cross country. And we know that. So they're empty nestered hoarders and they have, I don't know how much debt they're in, but I know they have a few ATVs, a trailer, a fifth wheel, a boat, a vacation home. And we know that none of those are paid off. Maybe just a couple of the ATVs.

[Jade Warshaw]

Do they have any? Because some people live a lifestyle where it's like, I have a bunch of debt over here, but I also have a bunch of assets over here. And I just play that game. Do they have a bunch of assets somewhere or do they not have enough to retire?

[Caller]

No, they keep like talking about how they need to keep pushing. They're like 60 and they need to keep pushing back their retirement. They still like have a home that's not paid off.

[Jade Warshaw]

Got it.

[George Camel]

How much have they shared with you regarding their financial problems?

[Caller]

My dad has shared a decent amount. He was like not aware of the finances in their home until maybe five years ago. But then once the mom found out then he kind of has stopped sharing as much. But he had no idea how much debt they were in. And so the whole situation just feels irky. And then it's how to Protect our family, but knowing that we can't advise them, but we don't know how to just say, stop spending money on us.

[Jade Warshaw]

Well, I don't know that you can tell them or make them change their behavior. Large scale. I think that if it makes you feel icky to take a gift, you can easily say no. And I think that that's probably more what this call is about. So if they say, hey, everybody, we're all, we're loading up the family and we're going to Bora Bora and we're paying for everybody, you can say, oh, well, me and Steve will pay for our own ticket. You know, that's. That's fine.

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Yeah.

[George Camel]

Are they pretty aggressive with it?

[Caller]

Yeah. And we've tried to put some boundaries in place, and they will just show up. And if we say no to a vacation, I mean, we can't afford to pay our way, then it's like, very dramatic.

[Jade Warshaw]

And so. Wait a minute. So when you put boundaries in your life of we can't afford that, then that irks them?

[Caller]

Of course. Why would we not go in debt to go on a family vacation?

[George Camel]

But you think you have a better relationship with your father to have a serious conversation with him and go, hey, based on what. What you've told me, there's a lot going on here financially, and it feels like you guys covering all of our expenses is only hurting that, and we just don't want to be a part of making this problem worse. How would he respond to that?

[Caller]

Yeah, I think. I think he probably would respond well. I just. I don't know how much control he has over the actual.

[George Camel]

So it's mom that is the out of control, addictive spender?

[Caller]

Yeah, I would say so.

[George Camel]

Well, that might be a conversation he needs to have with her. If he has the place of authority in the relationship versus you, then it's gonna need to be him convincing her that, hey, we're in a bad situation, and if we ever want to retire one day, we need to start cleaning this mess up. And it starts with not being overly generous when we really can't afford to be.

[Jade Warshaw]

And you know what I'm thinking? I'm really thinking about this because, um, I also think if you can approach this, I'm kind of thinking about it in the way of how we talk about college and how we should set expectations about parents paying for college. I'm kind of thinking that same thing. I think you need to go, because I'm always about keeping the ball in your court. Right. What's Amy, doing what's your life about? What are your boundaries? Because you can't really control them. So I might have a conversation with dad and mom and say, hey, I would like to set some expectations on my end regarding your retirement. And I would just let him know. I'd say, hey, I want you guys to know upfront, I don't know what your plans are, but I want you to know I keep calling your husband Steve. I don't know what his name is, but I just want you to know, Steve. Steve and I are not going to be able to contribute to your retirement. So I just want you to know that up front. I want to tell you that early and often so that there's no expectation that we would be able to help you out financially in any way. I don't know what your expectations were, but I just want to let you know this is where we're at. And that way, when the time comes, because like I said, you can't change your mom, can't change your dad. You can, you know, gently nudge them and tell them what you think in a loving way, but they may not do it. But that way, if the time comes, they know, don't come knocking on your door for extra money in retirement. And so that's one thing that you could do. And that alone might get their wheels turning on. Why would she say that? I wonder if she's concerned. Should we be concerned? So sometimes just putting your boundaries in place is enough to get the other person thinking about their own situation.

[Caller]

Yeah, that's good. I like that.

[George Camel]

And then the other piece of this is, you may not be able to change them. You may not be able to stop them. And I have family members like that, too, or they just love to be generous. And so I realized, you know what? I'm gonna let go. If they wanna spoil the grandkid or the niece, then that's what they're gonna do. And, you know, I'm more like, I don't want more crap in my house, so don't get us physical things than store and keep around. But other than that, there's just a piece of it where you go, this isn't my life. This isn't my finances. And I might have to deal with a fallout later.

[Jade Warshaw]

That's right.

[George Camel]

Like Jade said, you got to set the expectation. We're not going to cover you if you guys retire broke. You're not going to move in with us, and we're going to cover all your bills. So get your crap together now, because we're not the plan. Yes, we are. Not your retirement plan.

[Jade Warshaw]

I love that. And you're approaching it from your side as opposed to pointing at them, saying, you're not doing this and you're not doing this. It just kind of takes the heat off. But those types of questions, George, they're always so tough because you love the person. You don't want to see them fall, you don't want to see them fail. It kind of reminds me, we have a question from Facebook from Kristen, very similar. She says, how do you stop grandparents from spoiling their grandkids again? One party is spending in a way that another party doesn't like, but it affects you. So what do you do?

[George Camel]

Oh, my goodness. I mean, you have a really hard conversation. That's what I've done is just say, hey, listen, we can't fit any more stuff in the house. If you to do something, contribute to her 529 plan. But please, every time you come over, you don't need to bring more cars and toys and things that I have to then deal with.

[Jade Warshaw]

I know that's right.

[George Camel]

And go give to Goodwill six months from now.

[Jade Warshaw]

Yeah, I do that. You know, around Christmas time. I had to say that to my own grandparents of my kids. I was like, listen, you guys need to cool out. Number one. They can't intake it all. Like, it's too much on them. It's like stimulation overload. So I'm like, one thing and please, for the love of God, can it just be one or two pieces? This business that has like 100 pieces and you got to have a box to keep it all in. And now I got to go buy Tupperware storage to hold all of those.

[George Camel]

I got to assemble it like IKEA furniture all weekend. No, thank you.

[Jade Warshaw]

Please, no more.

[George Camel]

I love you parents and grandparents, but you got to chill out.

[Jade Warshaw]

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[George Camel]

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[Jade Warshaw]

All right, back to the phone lines. We've got Mike, who's in Oklahoma, where the wind comes sweeping down the plane. You weren't expecting that. What's up, Mike?

[Caller]

Hey, thanks for taking my call. So about. Well, a few months ago in July, I got laid off and I'm 45. I've been in the oil field my whole life. I don't know anything else. I'm having a hard time finding another career. And my question is, what do I do with my 401k? Should I roll it over into my IRA to have more freedom with that money or would that be a mistake?

[Jade Warshaw]

Well, it is smart to roll it over, but what do you mean when you say to have more freedom with that money because we don't want you unplugging the investment?

[Caller]

Well, I don't want to do that either. But right now I'm under the umbrella of my former employees plan, so I'm limited to what I can do with it. If I had to touch it, God forbid, you know, I'd be penalized and all that. And. And I don't know if for tax purposes, if it would be smarter to roll it over, would I be paying taxes on that right away or would that be. No.

[George Camel]

The way to avoid all of this is a direct rollover. So you never actually withdraw the money. It just straight gets transferred. So is it a traditional 401k?

[Caller]

Yes.

[George Camel]

Okay, so you'd want to do a direct rollover to a traditional IRA.

[Caller]

Okay.

[George Camel]

And that, you know, I use a SmartVestor Pro for that. If you want to jump on ramseysolutions.com get connected with one. They helped me with this and made it super simple to get all the right forms done, make sure the money gets moved without any issue or tax penalties, all of that. But I think it's a great idea to get to move it from the old employer because you're paying fees, you have no control over it. And you do have more control over the investments once it's in an Iraq, because now you're not beholden to whatever you know, HR picked the 14 funds. You have access to thousands. And so I would stick to good growth stock mutual funds, but at least you'll have all the options in the world once it's over in that ira.

[Jade Warshaw]

So what about the job hunt? So you've been in oil all your life. Are you open to doing something different? What do you think? If you were to say, jade, here's the problem. What do you think the problem is?

[Caller]

That's a good question.

[Jade Warshaw]

Is it a bad interview? Is it? I'm just not even getting into the interview. Is it?

[Caller]

Well, opportunity, the oil fields, all I know and what I've learned in the last 20 years doesn't really translate to anything else.

[George Camel]

Well, I mean, will you consider the oil field a skilled trade?

[Jade Warshaw]

Yeah.

[George Camel]

Did you work on equipment?

[Caller]

Yes.

[George Camel]

Okay. I mean, you just, you just gave us your resume right there. You know how to use heavy equipment. Right. Were you on the, like, maintenance side where you operating it?

[Caller]

Maintenance, yeah.

[George Camel]

Okay, so now we know you have a very clear field. Industrial maintenance is a great field for you. And so I know it's scary because you go, well, if it's not oil, I don't know what I'm doing. But the truth is, you know a whole lot about what you're doing. It's just applying it to a new field. So have you actually looked into industrial maintenance tech type jobs like whatever your title was? Take the word oil out and then pop that into Google and see what kind of roles come up, see what kind of experience they're looking for, and then start applying with confidence, saying, hey, I worked in the oil field for this long, I'm bringing this much experience. I think I can really serve you guys in this way.

[Jade Warshaw]

Yeah, I think George is right. I think you're capable of a lot more than what you really realize. All those skills are transferable and we see it. George And I see it, if you were employed this long, it means that you have value that you're able to add. So I really think it's more of a mental shift that you've got to have that you have something to offer. And like George said, going in there with confidence, not I probably won't get it because it's not oil. You know, I think you have to really work on that mindset before we get off the line. We'll give you a couple of resources from Ken Coleman. We'll give you find the work you're wired to do. We'll give you from paycheck to purpose. And I think that's really going to inspire you, like Ken would say, to do work your wire team.

[George Camel]

How are you covering your bills right now?

[Caller]

I got some money saved up.

[George Camel]

How much is left?

[Caller]

About five, 6,000, probably.

[George Camel]

Okay, so it's running out pretty quick, like in the next month or two.

[Caller]

Correct.

[George Camel]

Are you single?

[Caller]

Yes.

[George Camel]

Have you done anything for income since July? Side jobs?

[Caller]

No.

[Jade Warshaw]

So what stopped you from doing that? Because a lot of times you do have to do some sort of work in the in between. Any job is good until you get the job. So what's stopping you from, you know, hitting up one of these, you know, order delivery places and filling some time there or going over to FedEx or.

[George Camel]

You know, any kind of retail work? Just something to avoid you depleting your savings to nothing. And then the next step is, well, I guess I got to go into debt, right? Do you have any debt right now?

[Caller]

Just my house.

[George Camel]

Okay, good, good.

[Jade Warshaw]

Yeah, I'm worried about that because from the very beginning, when you called in, it sounded like, I think that somewhere in your mind, the plan is, when this 5, $6,000 runs out, I'll be able to get my hands on the ira, and then I'll use that. I think that's living in your mind as your next option, and I want to eliminate that option completely off the table. Your next option is living off the paycheck that you're going to get because you're going to go down to Walmart or you're going to go down to Target, or you're going to get anything where you can start supplementing and not drawing a full, you know, month's income off of your savings. So what does that look like? I want you. I want to hear you brainstorm that. What does that look like for you over the weekend and over the next week? What do you think that you could start with?

[Caller]

I am on a job hunt. Already I haven't had any luck yet, like I said, but I understand.

[Jade Warshaw]

For the major jobs I'm talking about for the minors, what could you pick up? That's just you filling that gap until you get the big job.

[Caller]

I don't know. I haven't really thought about it like that.

[Jade Warshaw]

Yeah, that's. And I think that's what you need. Because when you do that, Mike, it's going to help with what I'm hearing right now, which is a lack of confidence. When you get any job, it's going to help you. It's going to give you something to do every morning. It's going to cause you to get up, you know, get out of the sweatpants and go do something. And then it gives you something to say today, I'm gonna do my best at this. And that does something for us internally. We're created to work and we're created to do, you know, use our talents. And when you have a long stretch, when you're not able to do that in any capacity, it does. It starts to wear on your emotions. It starts to wear on your, your self worth, all of that. And I can hear that in your voice. And you're too talented for that to happen. So that's. That's almost as important as getting a couple bucks in the door. Right? Is just keeping your skills up, keeping your talent up, keeping your emotions and your confidence up. Because you are going to find another job. But what I don't want is for you to go in there and because you haven't utilized your skills in eight months, you know, I don't want you to be feeling less than or overly eager at the interview because all that shows too. Does that make sense?

[Caller]

Yes.

[George Camel]

Calm, cool, confident. So I would start looking at what kind of jobs have you applied to?

[Caller]

I have applied to some of the industrial maintenance type jobs, but I'm, you know, I'm doing it online. If you don't hear nothing back, it's not like the old days, you know, when you go put a paper application and go talk.

[George Camel]

Oh, sure.

[Caller]

Face to face.

[George Camel]

Well, do you know people in the industry? And you let them know, hey, I'm looking for these types of roles. If you know something, hit me up.

[Caller]

Not really.

[George Camel]

I would be contacting everybody adjacent to the industrial maintenance oil world and just see what's available. Even if it's not the ideal thing, at least something for now to get your foot in the door. And then they go, oh my gosh, you're way too qualified. We got to get you in a different role where you can really use your skills. So that's the goal. That's what I would be doing if I was in your shoes. And I know nothing about this field. You are far more talented than me, so I know you got it in you. And I think right now, just being, you know, applying online and hoping for the best is not going to do it. You got to be out there. You got to be texting people, meeting with people, talking to people and drumming up business, going. I need to be top of mind when someone has that open role. And Ken's books will help do that. I'm going to send you the proximity principle as well. This is the Ken Coleman package right here. It is everything we got. We're going to throw it at you.

[Jade Warshaw]

So two pieces of homework. You know, obviously the resources we give you are going to help you. But if you don't do anything else, number one is, yeah, get on Uber eats good on doordash. Something that you can just get out there, make a little bit of money. I mean, it's not going to bring. It's not going to replace your income, but it'll do something, and that's going to be so important for you. And number two, I want you to make a list of everybody you know that has done a job that you've done or know somebody who's done the job or has done something adjacent to the job. Make a list. I want you to come up with at least 15 names, and then I want you to hit the phones and I want you to call them. Don't text them, call them up and have a conversation with them.

[George Camel]

This is a sales job, and today you are selling, Mike. That's the goal.

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[Jade Warshaw]

Well, if you've been listening to this show and you like what you hear, or maybe you watch on YouTube and you like what you see and you like what you hear, be sure to let us know and let the people know. Share the show if you can. Like the show if you can. Subscribe to the show if you can. All of that is you can.

[George Camel]

I believe in you guys.

[Jade Warshaw]

I believe in you. It's easy to do these guys.

[George Camel]

You're very capable.

[Jade Warshaw]

It is easy. There's that little paper airplane, or you can just click the copy, copy, link, copy and paste it, shoot it to somebody. It's a great way to share the content, help change some lives. And it helps us out a little bit too, George.

[George Camel]

So what a weird emoji that, like, why in a paper airplane for a kid. Oh, like send notes to people in class.

[Jade Warshaw]

Well, I didn't do that. I would just hand them over.

[George Camel]

But that's what I'm saying. Like, nobody used a paper airplane to like send messages.

[Jade Warshaw]

That's a good point.

[George Camel]

I don't know, maybe it's like, I digress.

[Jade Warshaw]

Maybe it's a Federal Express reference.

[George Camel]

Who even says Federal Express? You're really showing your age.

[Jade Warshaw]

I'm talking about from Castaway.

[George Camel]

Oh, okay. I was like, do people call FedEx Federal Express?

[Jade Warshaw]

It's a very loose connection here.

[George Camel]

Secretly a boomer. Reveal yourself.

[Jade Warshaw]

Oh, boy. Let's go to Nathan, who's in West Virginia. What's going on? Nathan, hi.

[Caller]

Thanks for taking my call.

[Jade Warshaw]

Of course. What's going on?

[Caller]

Okay, well, let me tell you my situation then I'll see. My question, if you guys have any financial solutions that I, that I'm not thinking of. So I have an aunt who's 80, almost 89 years old. And about 15 months ago, I got added to her checking account. I handle all of her finances, make sure all of her bills are paid, and up until July, everything was going good. So her total income is about 2,200amonth. And I'm going to estimate that her bills, including utilities, groceries, everything, may be 18 or 1900amonth. So she doesn't have much left over, but she did have enough to cover her expenses. Well then starting in July, we're paying caregivers 24, 7. So I write checks, you know, every week to caregivers. But we're paying about 2,400amonth just in caregiving expenses. So the only way we've even been able to pay for it, we've been selling assets, we've been selling her cars. But I'm estimating that she's. I'm estimating she's going to run completely out of money probably in April or May. So I've been thinking, well, what are their options? Can I do that? Her house is all paid for. So one option I had thought of was a reverse mortgage. Well then I looked online. She lives in a 1973 manufactured double wide mobile home online. That said you can't get a reverse mortgage if the mobile home was built before 1976 because that's when HUD started.

[Jade Warshaw]

That's fine. I don't want you to do that anyway. So we can go to the next one, this.

[Caller]

And then I thought, well, maybe home equity loan. But I called a couple of places. But you know, when you take her income of 2200 against maybe 1800 of monthly expenses, but then add in 2400 of caregiving, so now you're over 4000 expenses against 2200 income. So nobody's probably going to even, you know, loan money on her house when the debt. So I can't think really, really of any other options that she's going to run out of money in the next several months.

[Jade Warshaw]

How much is the house worth if you were to sell it?

[Caller]

It's just a total estimate. And again, it's a manufactured house. I'm going to say it does have about one and a half acres of land within. It's out in the country. I'm going to just estimate maybe 60 or 70,000.

[Jade Warshaw]

Okay, and then what about with the land? Is that including the land with it?

[Caller]

Yeah, that's just a total guess on my part. We haven't had any appraisal but.

[Jade Warshaw]

And you said it's 2,400 for care and have you priced out. What if she had just like a single bedroom apartment in West Virginia? What would that cost?

[Caller]

I'm going to say. I mean it's going to depend on the area. I'm going to guess you could probably get something for 1,000.

[Jade Warshaw]

1,000. Okay. There might be a situation where you've got to move her and invest this nest egg and kind of Draw off of it what you can. Is it just you or do you have siblings that are helping with this?

[Caller]

Well, I have a sibling, but I'm pretty much doing, yeah, my siblings not helping me, so not much.

[George Camel]

Would she qualify for Medicaid that would help cover the cost of caregiving?

[Caller]

Well, I had checked into that just very briefly on, on the, on the Internet. It just did something out of it. If a single person made, I think over. I thought it said 900 and something a month, although that sounds kind of low, but she makes more than that. I had also thought about calling in West Virginia. I forget what it's called, but there's a senior services number through the state. I thought about calling to see if there's any other options that I don't know about. My main options that I considered was the reverse mortgage or a home equity loan.

[Jade Warshaw]

Yeah, I would rather you look into the care options than debt options. I think what George is saying is that that's a better avenue for you to look into if there's Medicaid or if there's any sort of state program there in West Virginia that can help. And then the other thought is, yeah, trying to get your hands on some of this money. What's her health like?

[Caller]

Pretty, pretty good. My uncle, which is her brother, thinks that she has dementia. We don't know for sure. She's taking a test, I guess next month that will determine that. But other than that, I mean, she's had some brain cancer issues, but she physically still gets around, still walks. Now she quit driving probably about a year ago, but physically she does pretty good for almost 89 years old.

[George Camel]

Well, I would have a game plan. Let's assume that she lives a long life and goes to 99. Well, what's our 10 year plan to take care of this if nothing else changes and the expenses stay? So that's. I would be kind of planning for that worst case scenario of covering these expenses for a long time. And that might mean you're pitching in to cover some of the gap. Are you able to do that?

[Caller]

Yeah, I would be able to some. And I actually even considered getting a home equity loan. But then, and then myself and I thought, well, but then if she ended up going to nursing home and we lost the house, there'd be no way to repay.

[Jade Warshaw]

Yeah, we can't do debt.

[George Camel]

I would just take debt off the table as an option. I would rather you sell her place and invest that 70,000 or even put it in a high yield savings account and utilize all of that Money until that runs out, which will get you pretty far. I mean, that's years of. Of, you know, a few years of covering her expenses.

[Jade Warshaw]

Yeah, right. That's. I think today, like I said, you chase down and see what Medicaid will do, what the state will, and there might be something that you can find there. But in the near term, you need money because you said this is going to run out soon. And that 70,000 invested, it's not a ton, but it'll give you something. And if you can, you know, park it in an index fund and really only draw what you need, and if you and your brother or you and your other sibling can get together and kind of fill those holes, that's really all you've got right now. And it's one of those things, you know, John would say, not by my hand, but in my lap. And this has just got set in your lap to deal with, and it sucks.

[George Camel]

Is there a scenario where she could move in with you or the sibling?

[Caller]

I know even my. Even my mom and dad had even offered before about her moving in with them. She didn't want to. And my uncle, which is her brother. I was thinking he may have even said something. She didn't act like she. She's lived in the same house since 1973.

[Jade Warshaw]

Understood. But she doesn't have a choice.

[George Camel]

Yeah. Respectfully, she's. She's between a rock and a hard place here. So she's not going to have the choice when she doesn't have the. To live. So it's gonna. It's probably gonna come down to that. Cause either you pay for her rent or she lives with family. I think those are the only options at this point if her Social Security is not gonna cut it and you need to keep paying these caregivers. So I would do my homework and uncover every stone to see what I can find out about getting her care that isn't 2,400amonth.

[Caller]

Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

[George Camel]

There's no. There's no easy answers here. The only easy thing to do would be go into debt. And that's a terrible, terrible solution.

[Jade Warshaw]

Can you tell me, when you said, that's $1900, what are the. What are that night. What's that? $1900 in bills. What is that?

[Caller]

Well, she has three loan payments. The one is 244amonth, one is 200, and then one is 100, and then. And then the rest of them are just your utilities, electric.

[Jade Warshaw]

Well, food, electricity. Yeah.

[George Camel]

What are these loan payments?

[Caller]

One of them Was for several years. He'd got a. One of those outside generators that if your power goes off and then these were all. Most of these are bad. That was to a finance company or interest. The interest rate on that loan is almost 26%.

[George Camel]

What's the total balance?

[Caller]

Well, it's not too bad now because I've been trying to pay them down as much as I can see. The total of all her debt combined is probably about 5,400. A little over 5,000.

[George Camel]

Okay. Yeah. I would try to clear that and get out of your life. And if worse comes to worse, I'd cover her four walls before paying these bills and let it go to collections if need be.

[Jade Warshaw]

Yeah.

[Caller]

And I have been trying to pay them down with extra. About a year ago, those three loans were about 14,000. Now they're down to about 5,000 and something.

[George Camel]

I might have a conversation with family and go, hey, can we all chip in and get rid of this Deb? Because that would really let her breathe a little bit with her current income and expenses. Yeah, that'll buy you guys some time.

[Jade Warshaw]

Yeah, that's. Man, that's the best you're going to be able to do with this. I guys cautionary tale, man. This. This is what it is. The time does come for all of us where we age and we get to the point where we can no longer work and we get to the point to where we need money coming in. So please, please, please do not put off important things. Things like paying off your debt. Pay off your debt now when you're young and you can work extra and you can do all these things, take advantage of compounding interest. Now when you can invest, invest 15% of your income, the day is going to come.

[George Camel]

Please do not rely on Social Security. This is it. This is what happens. It's. We call it social insecurity for a reason. It's simply not enough to survive.

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[Caller]

Foreign.

[Jade Warshaw]

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[Caller]

Hey there. Thanks so much for taking my call. I. I would love. So I just started really binging all the podcasts and things.

[George Camel]

Awesome.

[Caller]

And yeah. And I am not a mess lady at all. So I would. And I've done all my numbers. I have and I would love for you guys as math people to give me the Ramsey goal for those numbers as far as like a year, two years, however that, that I can set to get myself out of debt.

[Jade Warshaw]

Well, you called the right person. You called George Camel.

[George Camel]

Because I got my calculator. I'm pushing my glasses up. I'm ready to go.

[Caller]

Oh, good.

[George Camel]

Okay, lay it out for us. How much debt do you have?

[Caller]

All right. I have about $60,000.

[George Camel]

Okay, break it down.

[Caller]

Okay. It's in the Ramsey order. It's about $316 in like a pay in for situation. My bank from Chase.

[Jade Warshaw]

Oh, man, do I not pay later?

[Caller]

Yeah, yeah, they'll reimburse you into your account and you pay later. Then I have 400 on one. 450 on one credit card, 291900 on the other credit card. I do own my car, so I'm not car payment there. And then the rest of it is school debt.

[Jade Warshaw]

Oh my gosh. Wow.

[George Camel]

So are those all broken out?

[Caller]

$1,000. There's $1,000 that I found on my credit report that is in collection. So I was thinking of paying like, like 10 cents on the dollar or something for that. But anyway. Okay, go ahead.

[Jade Warshaw]

$57,000 of student loan debt.

[Caller]

Yeah, that's all right.

[Jade Warshaw]

Okay.

[George Camel]

And what do you make?

[Caller]

45.

[George Camel]

45.

[Jade Warshaw]

What kind of work is that? What kind of work do you do?

[Caller]

I work as a print project manager at my church.

[Jade Warshaw]

Okay.

[Caller]

I have done so for many, many years.

[Jade Warshaw]

Is, is print, is like print your focus or is ministry your focus? Like what's, what's the thing you want to do most?

[Caller]

It's. I believe in what my church says and I, when I started, I have, you know, I have a history of emotional problems. They never fired me of all the problems that I'm sure I caused. So I have a deep loyalty. It's not really ministry as in I want to do ministry and I don't, I do not have a passion for print.

[Jade Warshaw]

I just asked so that I can help you. I just asked because we're going to be thinking of ways to get your income up and I wanted to know where your heart is. If your heart is. I want to do something in helping people, ministry like that related or if you're like, I love print and digital work and all that kind of stuff.

[George Camel]

I heard project manager and I went, ding, ding, ding. We can make a lot of money in project management with your skillset. If you're willing to look outside of the church for full time work now, you can still be heavily involved in your church. It just, just may not be full time employment long term.

[Caller]

Just because we're doing full time volunteer.

[Jade Warshaw]

Yeah, we're doing math. There's two factors here. George is going to walk you through one, but when we're looking at an equation like this, we say there's two major things we can do. We can lower our expenses. Right. And that's lowering our outgo every single month. It's stopping things like investing in our 401k. It's stopping too much withholding coming out of our check. Right, Right. So those are all ways that we're kind of lowering our expenses. And then the other side of it, Mary, is we've got to get more money coming in. And for you, 45,000 get more coming in. So let's talk about two timelines because as it is now, George, I mean.

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[George Camel]

What can you actually put towards the debt per month right now? Can you put 500 or 1000? Give us a number, what you can throw at the debt snowball.

[Caller]

Right, Right. And actually the not math part of me has got a backup because I do have, I make, I have an, I have acting gigs that I do already and I've started Door dashing.

[Jade Warshaw]

Great.

[Caller]

So I do have more numbers. So it's just a, you know, a little bit more.

[Jade Warshaw]

But, but tell us this. After you've paid the minimums on, on your, all your bills, all your expenses, how much extra do you put on your smallest debt every month?

[Caller]

About a hundred and. No, wait, wait, wait. Okay, so help me. One is 75, one is 25, one is 35, one is 75, that's how much.

[Jade Warshaw]

So you're not, you're not doing the snowball in that you're not making minimum payments on everything and then putting all extra money on one debt. I. Because that's what you need to be.

[Caller]

Doing any extra money on, on the smallest debt yet. Because I just started the binge. I just started this.

[Jade Warshaw]

Got it.

[George Camel]

Okay. But currently with your income, you can't put any extra toward it. It's just barely covering your bills with your income.

[Caller]

Yeah, basically.

[George Camel]

Okay, so that's where I go. So think about it this way. If you continue at the church full time and you get a little bit of extra money, you'd be lucky to get out of debt in six, seven years. Is that accurate?

[Caller]

I mean, I'm asking you.

[George Camel]

Well, I mean, think about it. If you put a thousand a month would take you 60 months, that's five years. If you were able to do a thousand months total to your debts. So think about this. If you did 500, it's going to take double the amount of time talking 10 years. And so based on what you're doing, it's over a decade. And so that's why I want you to have the urgency of I need to get my income up yesterday, like double my income. And so that's where you, you need to get a project management job that pays 60 or 70 and do the side work and then we can clean this up within a year or two.

[Jade Warshaw]

The good news is, the good news is you know how to live off of 40, $45,000 a year gross. So anything you get, if you can double that, knowing that you can live on such a fringe like shoestring budget is so good for you. And I want to flip that so that you feel motivated by that and not kind of like overwhelmed by that. If you can double your income by finding a higher paying job and adding a side hustle, which I believe you can, I believe you can get to 80 quickly, right? That means all of a sudden I'm doing this in a year and a half, I'm doing it in 18 months, as opposed to the crazy timeframe that you were on before.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[George Camel]

So here's your nerd napkin.

[Jade Warshaw]

Math.

[George Camel]

If you can throw 2000 total at your debts, you're done with this thing in two and a half years.

[Caller]

Okay.

[George Camel]

If you can throw 2,500 at it, you're done in two years. And so you can see the math. It sort of just kind of contracts and expands as you're able to throw more at it. So the more margin we create, the faster you're done and the faster you can get to the more fun parts of life, like building wealth, having breathing room, going on vacation, upgrading the car and cash. All that good stuff.

[Jade Warshaw]

Stuff.

[George Camel]

And so I love that you. You appreciate your church and that they've been very good to you, but I fear that this also leaves you stressed and broke for a decade.

[Caller]

Well, I have my numbers now and my goals. And I mean, that's going to be my. My job to work all that out.

[Jade Warshaw]

That's right. Project management.

[George Camel]

We did the easy part. We told you, hey, get more money. And so now you have the hard job of actually going to do all that. But I have full confidence you start applying to project management roles and your skills are going to transfer perfectly. And so I would sharpen up that resume. And this is not a knock at your church. I'm sure it's wonderful. But right now you're in a different season.

[Jade Warshaw]

Yeah. And they're probably limited in what they could pay you, you know, and you need to get out there.

[Caller]

And they don't believe in debt either. So, you know. Okay.

[Jade Warshaw]

There you go.

[Caller]

You know, I love it.

I mean, very. They're wonderful. Wonderful. Actually.

[Jade Warshaw]

It was great to have that opportunity.

[Caller]

Turned beyond a Dave Ramsey.

[George Camel]

That's fantastic.

[Jade Warshaw]

That's fantastic.

[George Camel]

You know what? I'm gonna send you every dollar as our gift to you to help you put all these numbers out. It's like George in your pocket, doing the math, giving recommendations 24 7. Encouraging you based on your personal situation.

[Jade Warshaw]

Can it be Jade in the pocket, too?

[George Camel]

Yeah. But just let me. Just let me have my fun.

[Jade Warshaw]

You're better at math than I am.

[George Camel]

I fit better in pockets. That's just the truth.

[Jade Warshaw]

Pocket sized?

[George Camel]

Yeah. I'm a little guy. It's one of my only spiritual gifts. It's fitting in pockets. Oh, my gosh.

[Jade Warshaw]

But honestly, guys, let's talk seriously about every dol. You don't have it or maybe you've tried it before. You need to get into the allnew every dollar. It has changed so much, George, over the past. I mean, Even just six to eight months, it's completely new. It's got everything you need. It's not just a budgeting app anymore. It has everything you need to walk the Ramsey plan the Ramsey way. So I, I know there's plenty of times where you're looking, you're like, what do I do next? I've just paid off my debt. What am I supposed to do? Is it three months or is it six months of expenses? Why is it three versus six? All those questions that you have, all you have to do is load in your information and do that onboarding and it is going to walk with you step by step so that you can accomplish your goals faster. Get into it.

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[Jade Warshaw]

All right, welcome back to the Ramsey Show. We're here in the Fair Ones credit union studio continuing to take calls about your life and money. George Camel is still next to me.

[George Camel]

Can't stop, won't stop, can't stop it.

[Jade Warshaw]

I'm Jade Warshaw. Going straight to the phone lines, George, where we have Shelby Shelby in Missouri. Hey, Shelby, what's going on today?

[Caller]

Hey, I am just, I just had some questions and struggling but so I've been trying to follow the baby steps program. You know, save thousands and a thousand and then you pay off, you know, the death you have by the shortest or like the least amount. You know, I just turned 18 in August and I've been with my fiance for almost two years and I have a lot of debt to pay off already. And I'm not sure how to do it and how to get my fiance on board. He seems to think he can't save any money until all his debt is paid off. I think it's just the mindset he's in.

[Jade Warshaw]

But you said he doesn't save any money until all his debt is paid off. So he's not wanting to do baby step one, which is save $1,000 dollars.

[Caller]

Right.

[Jade Warshaw]

Okay.

[Caller]

Right.

[George Camel]

And how much debt does he have?

[Caller]

He has about $2,169.

[Jade Warshaw]

Okay. And when. How much do you have?

[Caller]

26, 318.

[Jade Warshaw]

What kind of debt is that?

[Caller]

Mainly my car. I was getting ready to graduate in May, and I had a piece of junk car and it had gotten me through, and I was going to travel to Des Moines, which was like an hour and a half from where we were living, and my car would not make it that far. So my mom, we went to a Nissan dealer and she signed on a car for me that I am making the payments of, but since I was not 18 at the time. It is in her name.

[George Camel]

It's completely in her name. So she took all the risk. And you, you're making like Venmo payments to her to then cover the payment?

[Caller]

Well, it. The account. I made the account.

[George Camel]

Okay.

[Caller]

That it automatically comes out of my checking.

[Jade Warshaw]

How much do you pay her every month for the car or how do. How much do you pay every month for it?

[Caller]

I think it's 14 or 417, but I wound up to 420 every month.

[Jade Warshaw]

Okay.

[Caller]

So I'm 18. My insurance is out of whack.

[Jade Warshaw]

How much money do you earn? What's your monthly income? Just years. You?

[Caller]

Just me. It was about 1800.

[Jade Warshaw]

Why you say past tense?

[Caller]

We. We moved closer to my fiance's work. He was spending $250 in gas every two weeks. And we moved. He's now 10 minutes away. So I am currently unemployed. I'm going stir crazy because I want to work. But we're in such a small town, there's nowhere really around. I've applied at jobs, called to check out my application.

[Jade Warshaw]

Work from home call service.

[Caller]

Yep. I applied for.

[George Camel]

What is he doing for work?

[Caller]

Customer service rep. He works at a hog barn.

[George Camel]

What does he make?

[Caller]

1950 an hour.

[Jade Warshaw]

What does that amount to every month? Month.

[Caller]

What does he take home every month for him? 2600.

[Jade Warshaw]

Okay.

[Caller]

And then together it was like 4200. So we were doing pretty good. But.

[George Camel]

And you guys have. Have you combined finances?

[Caller]

No. No.

[George Camel]

Okay.

[Jade Warshaw]

Are you Living together?

[Caller]

Yes, we are.

[Jade Warshaw]

Okay. How much is rent?

[Caller]

Office, apartment? It is 650. Utilities are 225, no matter what.

[Jade Warshaw]

Okay, so I. You called for one thing, but I have to. I can't just, you know, move past something like. You didn't say what you just said. So you're. You're very exposed right now, Shelby. You're. Because you don't work. So you're right now depending on someone to take care of you. Essentially, you're in a house that another person's paying for. You have a car that's not in your name, that at any point somebody could say, you know what? Say again.

[Caller]

It's just very overwhelming.

[Jade Warshaw]

It is. And so I want to get you. I want you to be in a safer space for you, especially at 18. I want you to be in a position where you can work. When. When's the wedding?

[Caller]

We were planning on just us two going, maybe next year, just going to Vegas or Hawaii or whatever.

[Jade Warshaw]

You can't afford to go to Vegas or Hawaii. And why. I. I'm gonna hit you with. I'm hitting you with a lot of questions. What would be the point in waiting so long versus getting going to the courthouse? If you. If you've been. This has been your fiance for two.

[George Camel]

Years, everything has been a rush. I'm gonna rush to move with my fiance, a rush to move across the country with this guy. And now we're gonn sweet time with the wedding.

[Jade Warshaw]

What's your family say? Yeah, what's your family saying?

[Caller]

I know my stepdad make it. Made a joke of, like, go to the courthouse. It's free on Thursdays. I'm like, I'm okay with that.

[Jade Warshaw]

Okay.

[Caller]

But I think my fiance wants to do something, like, experience something new for the both of us.

[Jade Warshaw]

And all your family's about to experience.

[George Camel]

Living in the hog barn if you guys don't take care of business here. I mean, you're. You're still like children, but we're living like adults. Too fast. Too soon.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Soon.

[George Camel]

And you have a $26,000 car that is not in your name, and you can't even make the payment. So I would have a lot of urgency, number one, to get rid of this car. You do not need a $26,000 car in a town that doesn't even have a stoplight.

[Jade Warshaw]

You can't. You can't keep the car. And my biggest thing. I asked about your family because I want to know, is everybody on board with you getting married? If they are, the people that love you and trust that you trust. If they're saying, hey, we like this guy guy, we're wondering when you're getting married, I. Then I am, too. And I. I would say get it done sooner than later so that you can protect yourself. Because what happens here, Shelby, if this goes bad, George and I get the calls all the time, so. And it leaves you on the line to dry because there's no legality protecting you in any way. So if this guy loves you, let's go ahead and. Let's go ahead and. Let's go ahead and get married. And then in a year from now, you guys can have a great trip in Hawaii or Las Vegas, if you can afford it, pay cash. But today, let's start the building blocks of getting this foundation a lot more firm than it is right now. And that starts with you guys solidifying a union there, getting married. That way, legally, it's cool for you guys to go ahead and combine your finances. Everybody's way more protected that way. Then the next thing thing, too, is now I can go get a job, and I can feel good about bringing this check home and us together, paying off our debt. That and walking through those steps. So that's. That's thing. The two things that you need to sit down and talk with. I don't know your fiance's name. Trent would talk with Trent tonight about that. Okay.

[Caller]

Okay.

[George Camel]

And the other piece of this is he's saying he can't afford to cover his $2,000 in debt. Is that right?

[Caller]

No, he. We're kind of tackling it together.

[George Camel]

You said your finances are separate together with what money? You don't have a job.

[Caller]

Right. So I had some money in my checking account, and he had a credit card payment that was coming up because.

[George Camel]

Why would you pay someone else's debt when you're not married to them?

[Caller]

He was paying the car payment.

[George Camel]

So you guys are just debt swapping?

[Jade Warshaw]

No.

[Caller]

I don't know. Like, I find another problem is, like, when we. When we were bringing income, like the 4200 every month is when stuff comes out during the month. It's not a money problem, Shelby.

[Jade Warshaw]

It's not. You're right. It's not a money problem. The. The problem is you guys love each other. I get it. But you have. You got. You both have it twisted. You're getting everything out of order, and it's getting real tangled up and really confused. Do the two things I said. You need to get married, and you need to get a job.

[Caller]

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[Jade Warshaw]

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[Caller]

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[Jade Warshaw]

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[Caller]

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[Jade Warshaw]

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[Caller]

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[Jade Warshaw]

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[Caller]

Hi guys. How are you doing?

[Jade Warshaw]

We're great.

[Caller]

That's awesome. So the short version of my question is how do I know if making a huge career change is the best thing for mine and my family's future?

[Jade Warshaw]

Yeah.

[Caller]

And then I'll go ahead and give you the backstory. So. So I am in the final stages of the hiring process for what is essentially my dream job. It's something that I've always felt like I wanted to do. Pay wise, it would be basically paying me the same as what I'm currently making starting off. But there is definitely a huge potential for raises and growth within the first few years. However, the big question mark for me and and my wife is that it would also require us to relocate to a major city in the northeast, probably either New York or Boston. I like my current job. I'm not positive though that it's something that I will be passionate about in the long term. However, my boss and I have developed a really, really good relationship and she's basically told me that should I choose to remain working with them, that she would like to groom me to take over her position within the next few years.

[George Camel]

Is that your dream job to take hers?

[Caller]

No, it Is not.

[George Camel]

Then I think it's the wrong next move. It's cool. I mean, it's nice to be. I mean, it feels good. You're flattered. Like there's room for growth here. I like it. They're treating me well, but at the end of the day, it's gonna. There's a soul tax to be paid, knowing there's this other thing over here that you want to experience. And so I don't think either of them are bad, but I think you're not gonna regret taking this new leap. And here's the good news. Nothing is fatal. Let's say you move to Boston, you take the next gig, you do it for a year or two, and you realize, well, I guess my dream job, this ain't it either. Or I want to do this job, but it's somewhere else. You have the freedom to make that jump, too.

[Jade Warshaw]

Let me. Let me add another layer into it. I'll probably be devil's advocate here. So tell us about your family. How old are your kids? Tell us about your community. Tell us that side of things.

[Caller]

Yeah, so that is kind of like the thing that makes it complicated for me because I know myself and I know that, like, if I was single and everything, like, I already know the choice that I would make, but you'd be gone. I am recent. I am recently married. My wife and I are wanting to have kids within the next few years, and we have a really, really good support system where we currently live. My wife is also really well established in her job right now and is probably going to get promoted within the next year if she stays there as well. So that's really where the big question mark comes into play for me, is like.

[George Camel]

And her job won't transition. She can't stick with the company, and she can't find something related in the new city that pays more.

[Caller]

She can find something related, but I think that it would. It would be a lot more of a headache, and I think that it would just, like, set her back more in her career than where she currently wants.

[Jade Warshaw]

Where.

[Caller]

Where she's currently projecting to go to, I guess.

[Jade Warshaw]

What does she say when you tell her about the opportunity? Is she like, honey, you have to take it, or is she like, oh, man, I mean, I want this for you, but it really is tough. What's her more.

[Caller]

More so the latter. She has said that she will support me and commit. Commit it to me if it is what I decide to do. But for the sake of her own preference, she has expressed that she would Prefer to stay where we are.

[Jade Warshaw]

What about financially? How are you guys doing? Do you need the money? Tell us about that. Are you in debt? And this would really, you know, push you forward. Tell us more about that part.

[Caller]

Yeah, so it's really hard to say truthfully. I think that it would increase our cost of living definitely were we to relocate. But I do think this new job also brings the opportunity to earn additional income because there are pay raises that are basically guaranteed over the first couple of years. And it's also gives me the opportunity to earn overtime as well in this new field. So.

[George Camel]

And is this like a once in a lifetime opportunity? Is this dream job still going to be there two years from now?

[Caller]

Now really hard to say. So it's a government job, I'll say that now. So it really is kind of dependent on what like the political atmosphere is and everything, whether or not it sticks around.

[Jade Warshaw]

Interesting. You know, I, I will tell you as a person who's moved across the country for a job, it is, all these things weigh heavily on your decision. And what I can tell you as your friend is, is both you and your wife need to have peace about it. That's thing number one. Like money and all that stuff aside, once you do feel like you've landed on something, both people need to feel like, okay, like peace about it. And I mean, I don't know, I'm just talking to you like a friend right now. I'm the type of person, I would pray the prayer. I'm like, God, make it so clear. Like, make it like 90. I want a 9010 decision. I don't want a 50. 50. Right. 50, 50 is like, well, I kind of feel like we could stay where we could go. I want to feel so overwhelmingly like this is what we're supposed to do. And so that would be my prayer for you guys. And that would be what I, if I were you, I'd, I'd sit down with your wife and say, this is what we need to be praying about. That we feel so overwhelmingly peaceful about whatever direction we choose and that we both feel it and we both, you know, have that, that peace about it, money wise, just from a money thing, since that's what you called about. I, you know, know, at first I was more like, oh yeah, this dream job feels it. But then what you, what you were saying about the political climate did kind of, I had a little pause there. I also wondered about. You said the pay was going to be the same, but you're moving to a major city, so I Do wonder about lifestyle for you. And with kids, I wonder what that looks like. Is this a job where you would be kind of like in the city or would you be far on the outskirts? Those are some questions that I have. And what does that look like with the values that you have that you think you'll have with kids in a family? That's something to play into the mix as well. Yeah.

[Caller]

I believe that the requirement is that we just have to live within the general area of where I'll be located, where my office and everything was located. So we wouldn't have to live, like, necessarily in the city. Exactly. But, you know, sort of regardless, it would definitely be like a more expensive area for us.

[Jade Warshaw]

Yeah, that's something to think about.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Yeah.

[Jade Warshaw]

Your. Your. Your income has to go a lot further in cities like, you know, D.C. or where, you know, Philly, wherever you're going to be.

[George Camel]

Would they cover moving costs, relocation costs?

[Caller]

They would, yes.

[George Camel]

That's a nice bonus.

[Jade Warshaw]

That is.

[George Camel]

I will say this. It's going to be easier while you guys don't have kids than once you do have kids to make a dream job type move to a different city.

[Jade Warshaw]

Yeah.

[George Camel]

So I'm still in the boat, and I'm not Mr. You know, like, let's do it. Adventure time. But this just feels like, like, we'll figure it out. We'll figure out her job. If this really is the job for you that you really want and it does have room to grow, I'm going to say let's say yes to this adventure. And later on, if we're like, hey, this is not an environment. We can raise kids. We need to move further out. We need to switch careers. You can do that a few years from now, and hopefully your incomes have gone up by then as well. So I don't think we can just tell you. I mean, I think the flags are there for you to go make the move or to stay. So it's not like, like, it's. We're swayed one way or the other. That's such a personal decision, like Jade said, that you guys both need to have peace about. So I would continue to. I don't know. If you guys are people of faith, I'd be praying about it. I'd make sure that my wife was in agreement on whatever we decide to do. And then let's just do it and not look back and say, what if. What if we had stayed?

[Jade Warshaw]

Don't be a pillar of salt. Don't do that.

[George Camel]

You're going to have the, like, what if scenario. Well, what if I didn't take it and what if I did take it? And so that's the part you have to just let go of and go. This is where I'm at. I'm going to do my best to make this a great season.

[Jade Warshaw]

Yeah. Yeah. And I would say, you know, if for your wife, part of. Part of change, I think that makes it so difficult is we're not. We're just looking at the negative side of it. But if she can start to get excited, that makes change a lot more fun. So if she starts looking at jobs in that area or if she can start to see opportunity in that area and start to generate some excitement, that also can help if you are trying to sway her over to your direction. Excitement is the name of the game. That's what we told our kids when we came to Tennessee. It was like an adventure. Like we're going on an adventure. So, anyway, good luck.

[George Camel]

Good luck to you. Whatever you do, you're gonna be okay. That's how I feel.

[Jade Warshaw]

You'll be all right. You can always. You can always go back.

[George Camel]

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[Jade Warshaw]

Alrighty. Back to the phone lines we go. We got Elle, who's in Idaho. What's going on, Elle, how can we help today?

[Caller]

Well, I'm just trying to navigate what the right next step is. I guess my main question would be, what do I do about a vehicle that's worth about four thousand dollars that I owe nine on and needs a five thousand dollar repair? And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

[Jade Warshaw]

I'm.

[Caller]

I can't begin to explain how. How far underwater I am.

[Jade Warshaw]

I'm sorry. All right. I hope you took a deep breath there with me.

[Caller]

I know.

[Jade Warshaw]

Anything else besides the car that's eating your lunch?

[Caller]

Oh, sure. About $19,000 in credit card debt. And I have a house that's tied up in a divorce and it's. I can't get it to sell because it needs repairs and it's not in great shape and we can't seem to communicate. So everything's through lawyers at this point, which makes everything super complicated. So the total debt with everything is $212,000. $441,212,441. And when I'm looking for things to cut out because I'm not like, well, I've got to figure it out. Because if I pay all the minimums of everything, I'm $65 in the negative. And that's no groceries, no gas, that's mortgage. A car payment that I'm paying on that doesn't run, I'm borrowing a vehicle. I mean, what's your income? Multiple credit cards. My income is $4133. And that's a job that I, I worked 35 hours a week at and child support. So my next step was how much.

[Jade Warshaw]

Of the 4,000 is. How much of the 4,000 is child support?

[Caller]

$1,333.

[Jade Warshaw]

Okay. What type of work do you do?

[Caller]

I'm a dental assistant.

[Jade Warshaw]

A dental assistant. Okay. What you're making. So you said you're working 35 hours. Could you do the same work at an office where you can pull more hours and do maybe overtime hours?

[Caller]

No, not, not where I'm located. There's not a lot of overtime hours. And actually the office in my area actually pays higher hourly wages than any other office in this area. I've definitely looked.

[Jade Warshaw]

Okay. Okay.

[George Camel]

If you guys end up selling the house, does that help you clean up this debt and fix a lot of these problems?

[Caller]

Yeah, in theory, it definitely would.

[George Camel]

Does he have the money to fix it up or is he broke?

[Caller]

No, he's broke and disabled. So I know it's just a mess.

[George Camel]

And are you working with a real estate agent?

[Caller]

Yeah, I was, but our contract ended, and because of, like, the turmoil and the drama, she didn't want to renew her contract with us.

[Jade Warshaw]

Okay.

[Caller]

So now I'm searching for a new one.

[Jade Warshaw]

What type of work does the house need? Like, tell us about it. Is it a fixer upper or is it, like. No one would buy this house. It's got major problems. Tell us it about. About it.

[Caller]

I mean, I begged him not to buy this house. That's the type of house it is. It needs major work.

[George Camel]

I mean, like, foundation repairs or the kitchen's ugly. There's a huge difference.

[Jade Warshaw]

Yeah. Like, it can be old.

[Caller]

We're not talking about, like, paint and aesthetics. We're talking about, like, the foundation and the core of it. We moved in, and my two daughters, who are 17 and 15 now, when we moved into the house two years ago ago, we discovered that the 1930 house didn't have proper wiring or insulation. It was cinder blocks on the other side of the paneling. So we ripped them to the studs and redid everything. The basement. Like, if you go into the basement, the floor above you, you can see how it's, like, slanted. So, like, the basement, we need to lift the, like, main floor from the basement. We're talking like. Like major. Like.

[George Camel]

Like, whoever buys it is just going to destroy it and rebuild a new house on.

[Jade Warshaw]

They're just getting the lot. Yeah.

[George Camel]

So what could you sell it for as is?

[Caller]

Like, I don't know. Somebody offered us 225,000, which is technically more than we owe on the loan. But because of the way the divorce decree is stated, we didn't have to accept that offer. So he denied it.

[Jade Warshaw]

So this, I guess my question is all that was in place before you bought the house. And did you know that going in. So did you buy. I guess what I'm asking is, did you buy the house for a fair price when you bought it?

[Caller]

I bought the house for, like, 100.

And.

Yeah, I mean, like, I don't. I feel like it was a fair price based on. Sure. Like, the value. But, like, did I know going into it the amount of repairs it was going to need? Yes and no. But at the time, I mean, you should look up the housing market in Sun Valley, Idaho. It'll blow your mind. So we're just outside of that. We're an hour outside of that. So the house would be considered reasonable based on that, but just the amount of repairs and what needs to happen to the house is just, like, astronomical.

[Jade Warshaw]

Well, there's part of this where I go, hey, you bought the house, so somebody's gonna buy it. And it's not like all that was hidden from you. You. And I'm not suggesting that you hide it from anybody else, but my point is somebody's going to look at this and go, I'm willing to do the repairs. I want the property. I want to be close to Sun Valley, whatever that is. So I would. I think it is worth getting with a realtor who's willing to take this on and can find the right buyer for you. I think that's going to help at least clear some of the confusion out of all this. You might not take away much money from it, is what it sounds.

[George Camel]

Yeah. Why didn't he take that off offer?

[Jade Warshaw]

Being a knucklehead?

[George Camel]

Did he want to just drag this out? Like, was it out of spite?

[Caller]

Like, I don't really. I. I feel like that is the nicest way to say it. Like, he just. He had to. He just wants to. I don't know. He just wants to control the situation. And it's. It's kind of messed up because 30 days prior to that, the house had been listed at a lower value. And again, if that offer had been given to us 30 days prior, we would have had to take the offer no matter what because it was within 95% of the listing price, which is what the divorce Decree says. So 30 days later, he and the realtor decided to increase the price. And I just went along with it because I don't care. I don't care what we sell the house for, as long as we pay off the loan. I literally don't care if I make even a dime on it. I just.

[George Camel]

We don't have the luxury of trying to get the. We just need to get out of this so that you guys can both have some clothes and stabilize your financial lives. So I don't know if that means going back to the decree and getting a judge to. To go, hey, if you get an offer above this, you have to take it.

[Jade Warshaw]

Yeah.

[George Camel]

And to make sure, I have a.

[Caller]

Lawyer who I'm not having to pay because I went through a special program. So I have a lawyer that I'm working with that I'm meeting with on Monday that I already met with on Wednesday.

[Jade Warshaw]

Okay, so you're on the path to doing that before the time runs out.

[Caller]

Trying.

[Jade Warshaw]

You are.

[George Camel]

And then this car.

[Jade Warshaw]

Let's talk about the car.

[Caller]

Car.

[Jade Warshaw]

Let's talk about it. Okay. Whose car are you borrowing now? You Said you were borrowing someone's car. Who, who, who, who's helping you and how long are they going to.

[Caller]

Borrowing car from a friend, and I can't have access to that car at all times.

[George Camel]

Okay. Is your credit completely shot? If you went down to your credit union for a loan for the difference, would they give it to you?

[Caller]

I think my credit is probably shot. It's probably like low sixes at this point.

[George Camel]

I would at least try and explain to the credit union, hey, I'm underwater on this car. I need the difference I'm underwater on plus a little bit to get a different car. Car. And then you let go of that car, you might get 500 for it for parts at that point, but you do not need to be hanging on to this car because if you put 5,000 in repairs, you're still underwater on it. And it's probably not worth $5,000 at that point.

[Caller]

Definitely is not.

[George Camel]

It's not worth it. Your goal is to just get the amount you're underwater on to clean the title and then get rid of it.

[Jade Warshaw]

Yep, $5,000, that's what you need.

[George Camel]

And that gets you some breathing how?

[Caller]

I have the vehicle.

[Jade Warshaw]

Then go to the same credit union. Yeah.

[George Camel]

Tell them you have bad collateral here. I am way underwater on this loan. I'm not going to be able to pay you back unless you give me a different loan to clear the. To clear the title and get out of this underwater situation.

[Jade Warshaw]

Yeah, that's, that's, that's first on the list. And then number two is. Yeah, you got to get. I think if you can get out of that car, that's going to give you some breathing room. Obviously, now you're tasked with saving up some money. You know, it's great that you have a friend loaning you a car, and I understand that it's inconvenient, but for the most part, it's blessing more than it is inconvenience.

[Caller]

It's a huge blessing.

[Jade Warshaw]

Yeah. So get with her and say, here's my plan, because, you know, she's doing you a solid. So here's my plan. I'm going to try to get this other car paid off. I'm going to need a little bit more time because I got to stack up like four or $5,000 so I can get myself a beater and try to get out of this, because I don't know if the credit union is going to lend me money for that. Right.

[George Camel]

And then selling the house, you can clear the credit card debt with the proceeds and since the girls are older, you got to get side jobs at night just to try to float the difference that you're. You said 600 bucks.

[Jade Warshaw]

Yeah. Try to do something that you can work from home and do so you don't need the car. I would suggest customer service. All right. All right. So buying or selling your house is a very, very big deal. Okay. There's a lot of clickbait headlines out there. There's a lot of conflicting data out there, and it really is hard to know what's actually going on in the housing market market. But don't worry, we're here to help you. We've always got the latest trends and we make it very easy for you to understand. Okay. So for instance, median home prices dropped a bit last month. Now they're around 426, 000. A typical season shift. A typical season shift as we head into the fall. So that's normal. Also, buyers have more options and negotiating power while sellers face more competition. So if you want to learn more about the housing market trends and get free tools to help you, you buy and sell with confidence. We've got you covered. Just go to ramsey solutions.com market or click the link in the show notes if you're listening on podcast or YouTube. So important. All right, George, let's keep it rolling with Bri in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Hey, Bri.

[Caller]

Hi, how are you? How are you doing?

[Jade Warshaw]

We're doing great. How can George and I help?

[Caller]

So basically yesterday I had a talk with my husband and he thinks that he want to change his job his right now as manager in a truck company. So it's a big load of work and stressful work, talking with the truck drivers, mechanics, towing trucks and everything like that. And he thinks that we need to take a car on credit and preferably on mine because my credit score is better than his and it will be like Toyota sedan. So he can do Uber.

[George Camel]

Oh, he quit his salary job to do Uber and take out a car loan to fund this quote unquote business.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[George Camel]

Did I just sum that up?

[Caller]

Basically, he's making right now a week 1800. And his friend at work told me, told him that on Uber they can make like 2000 and more and week.

[Jade Warshaw]

Oh boy.

[Caller]

So that's why he's thinking about it.

[George Camel]

No, I would not listen to this friend.

[Jade Warshaw]

Especially. Especially if you're thinking about going into debt for this. Yeah.

[George Camel]

Here's what's going to happen. He's going to drive that car into ground and the depreciation is going to hit it so hard that you guys are going to be underwater on this car within the first week. Do you guys have any debt now?

[Caller]

Yeah, we have like 40,000.

[George Camel]

Oh, perfect. Well, let's just add to the pile then and pretend it doesn't exist. Exist.

[Jade Warshaw]

Okay.

[Caller]

I'm thinking, to be honest, but like I don't know how to tell him that. He doesn't even know that I'm calling right now.

[Jade Warshaw]

What do you do for work, Bri?

[Caller]

I'm a stay at home mom. I'm having a baby one year and nine months and also we having a baby on the way off.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Wow.

[George Camel]

Congrats.

[Caller]

Okay, thank you. So.

[George Camel]

So now is definitely not the time to put our income in full flux.

[Jade Warshaw]

Mm.

[George Camel]

And rely on people who need rides.

[Caller]

Like he need to stick to it. Like maybe, maybe at work he can.

[George Camel]

Here's an idea. Riddle me this. Why doesn't he on the side after work go out and drive with the car he has if he wants to try it out?

[Caller]

He cannot because we have 20 year old Lexus that doesn't have major issues with the engine.

[George Camel]

Okay.

[Caller]

So he cannot do it.

[Jade Warshaw]

And then I think that's a great indicator that this is not the job for you. There's a lot of jobs, Bri, and this might be the way you frame it to him. I don't know what kind of guy he is, but there's a lot of jobs that have pre prerequisites to be able to do it. Like if you want to BE in the NBA, you got to be like 7 foot tall or you got to be able to shoot like Steph Curry. And if you don't have that, you can't do the job. And in this case, if you need a brand new, you know, Lexus truck that you don't have, you can't do the job. And I think it's just as simple as that. You could go out and you know, pull all these strings and pull all a set to try to force this in, but that there's no guarantee there. Okay. And so I think that if he doesn't enjoy his job currently, that's fine. I'm all, I'm all for him looking for different jobs that he enjoys more. But if I were in your shoes, I would say, honey, I want you to do work that you love. But we, here's my, my, my boundaries. We can't go into debt for it. And if possible, I'd like to wait until this baby is born born so that we can have some solidity going through that and Then once the baby is born, you know, go do your thing. Do you think he would listen?

[Caller]

I think he will. Like I was trying to think, like, logically, is it a good idea even to get a new car? Because like we were planning after giving birth, of course we need more space, especially with the car. I don't have a car, but yeah.

[George Camel]

You definitely need a new to you car, but that doesn't mean we're gonna go into debt. Yeah, and you should be. You need a different car. But what you don't need is another $25,000 loan on top of your 40,000 in debt. And so what I would do if I was in your shoes is go, all right, we need to save up to get a reliable car. And then we're gonna clean up this 40 grand of debt and we're gonna. He's not gonna be switching jobs. He's gonna be working extra. Yeah. Cause you guys make seven grand a month right now.

[Jade Warshaw]

Yeah, seven. Yeah. You guys have a fine income.

[George Camel]

And so how quickly can we.

[Caller]

I think but still we barely managing to cover everything.

[Jade Warshaw]

Do you guys have a budget?

[Caller]

Kind of.

[Jade Warshaw]

That's a no.

[Caller]

I'm trying to keep up, but to be honest, I don't know what is going on in his credit card because basically all that we put on his credit card.

[Jade Warshaw]

So this, mine, all of that, this is a very. Bri, you're helping. So thank you for calling in because you're helping so many people. Right. Right now. You're right. When you're on credit cards and you know the spouse has a credit card in their wallet, that's different from what the. The other spouse has in their wallet. It does. It makes it very hard to stick to a budget because unless that person is going to bank connect all their credit cards to the budget so you can see every transaction coming through. You're right. You have no idea what you're spending. And it's very easy to overspend on credit cards so that at the end of the month, if you plan on paying it off. Off. Yeah, you're spending up ev. Every bit of extra margin that you had to pay down this credit card. So I.

[Caller]

That's what I found out for September. We overspent for $1,000.

[Jade Warshaw]

Yeah. Yeah. You got. You have some big conversations that you need to have, Bri and I. I'll give you three takeaways that I think the first one I already gave you, which is you need to tell him that your. Your boundaries for him switching jobs cannot include debt. And the second Thing is, it needs to happen after this baby is born. And then the third thing is you want to talk about a more transparent way of handling finances that doesn't include credit cards. Like I want a one checking account. We both have a debit card. We both spend the money that we have on the debit card because I am freaking out because of our debt. So those are the three things you have to tackle. Write them down and you can, I mean, you know him better than we do, so you know the best way to kind of be tactical about that. But those are, those are your non negotiables.

[George Camel]

Do you guys, do you guys come from the same cultural background?

[Caller]

No, like, similar.

[George Camel]

Okay, where, where's, what's his background?

[Caller]

He's from Uzbekistan and I'm from Ukraine.

[George Camel]

Okay. And are you guys immigrants or were you born stateside?

[Jade Warshaw]

Here?

[Caller]

We are immigrants. Everything clear?

[George Camel]

Great. My parents were immigrants as well. And here's what I want to remind you. You guys came here for a better life. I assume whether you chose to or your parents chose to. Right?

[Caller]

We chose both.

[George Camel]

And so here's what I want to remind you. The American dream is now going to as much debt as possible to fund a fake lifestyle so that hopefully we can impress people. And I don't want you guys to.

[Caller]

Fall into that trap in our young 20s.

[George Camel]

Yeah, they say, hey, come get a credit card. It's the American way. You'll love over here. Get your credit score up, we'll give you more line of credit. Hey, we can get you into a brand new car. Wouldn't that be nice? Do you see how insane this is?

[Caller]

It is.

[George Camel]

And so that's what you need to convince him of. Remind him of what he's doing on this earth. He's got a little baby, a little baby on the way. We need to take care of our family first. And that means getting out of debt and staying out of debt. That's going to, that's what's going to cause some actual peace. That's going to cause a real American dream to happen. Not trying to do Uber full time with a car like loan that's supposedly going to put yourself in a better financial position. I can guarantee you it's not. He's going to be calling the show a year from now saying, how do I get out of this? I'm $20,000 upside down on my car loan. So I hope that helps you with the conversation. Again, like Jade said, you know how to convince him better than anyone. And I think your feelings and emotions around this should be the first thing you lead with. And if he doesn't respect that, you have a marriage problem.

[Jade Warshaw]

Yeah, that. And that's so true. This is a good indicator. When you bring this to him, if he starts flipping out or does it anyway. If he does this Uber thing anyway, your next step is. We need to get into some counseling and spend some money on that. That's the tough part. Oh, my goodness. Oh, boy, oh, boy, oh, boy.

[George Camel]

So sorry you're going through this break.

[Jade Warshaw]

Me, too. Me too.

[George Camel]

And he needs to find better friends who aren't like, dude, you got to do Uber, man. I'm making great money over here. They don't live your life. They don't know your stress.

[Jade Warshaw]

I know. That's right. Stick around. We'll. Hey, what's up, guys? It's Jade. You know that moment when you check your bank account and think, wait a minute, how is my paycheck gone already? Yeah. Not cool. You work way too hard to feel broke like that. And the truth is, you deserve better than just not feeling broke. You need more margin, more breathing room, and that's what our EveryDollar budget app helps you find. Most people free up an average of $3015 in just the first 15 minutes in the app, just imagine how much you could find to pay off debt, stack savings, and just breathe easier. With that money. Stress gone, things might seem tight. I get it. But I promise you, you've got way more margin than you think. And with every dollar, you'll find it. Download it for free today in the App Store or Google Play today. Welcome back to the Ramsey Show. We're here in the Fair Ones Credit Union Studio, continuing on with your calls, your life, your money. That's what we're talking about. We do it through live calls on the phone lines. These are not rehearsed. We don't know these people ahead of time. They don't give us a script. This is just. We're flying by the seat of our pants, George.

[George Camel]

Life is improv, baby. That's right.

[Jade Warshaw]

Let's go. Elijah's in California. Of the United States. What's going on, Elijah? That's what it says on the screen. What's going on, buddy?

[Caller]

How's it go? How's it going? Thanks for taking the call.

[Jade Warshaw]

You're welcome. How can we help?

[Caller]

So, ultimately, my question is trying to figure out. Out how to separate from my parents. About two years ago, we found out my grandpa was going to lose his home. We grew up in that house for 15 years. We ended up trying to help during that process. There was a lot of. Lot of speed bumps along the way. My parents had to pay off some debt of theirs to get qualified. I had to get a loan from my boss to get it, and we ended up getting it done. But it's been two years.

[George Camel]

And what was long term game plan here, really?

[Caller]

It was to have my grandpa honestly just live the rest of his life in his home comfortably that he's lived in for about 15, 20 years. That was. That was there, you know, what we were trying to do. I found it as an opportunity for me. I told my parents this. You know, it seems like a good opportunity for me later in the future if we end up selling in the house to, you know, come up with some cash and just get my future started. But there's been, you know, some pushback, some discrepancies about who owns the house, how the money's getting split, and it's. It's just been a real headache.

[George Camel]

Well, whose name is on the deed?

[Caller]

All three of ours. So my stepmom, my dad, and me are all on loan and title.

[George Camel]

Okay.

[Jade Warshaw]

Wow. Okay.

[George Camel]

And that's. Is it 30 each?

[Caller]

I mean, we never really discussed that. I would assume it's a third each.

[George Camel]

Like, if you sold today and you got the profits, you'd split it three ways. Right. You all put in equal amounts?

[Caller]

No. So I put in 14,000. I got a loan from my boss for $14,000.

[George Camel]

That feels awkward in and of itself.

[Jade Warshaw]

Gosh. A loan from your boss?

[Caller]

Yeah, kind of awkward.

[George Camel]

Ask for a raise after that, man.

[Caller]

Yeah, he's. He's been really good to us. He really helped us out with that process. It was definitely awkward. We did some things along the way that I, you know, wish we didn't. I didn't know about you guys before that. So we took some money out of the equity consolidated debt.

[Jade Warshaw]

How much did your dad put in? And then how much did your stepmom put in?

[Caller]

Not put in anything, according to them. If you ask them, they're going to tell you that they put in $28,000. But in my interpretation of that, they put in 28,000 toward their debt to get qualified for the house.

[Jade Warshaw]

Okay.

[George Camel]

It's not a dance routine. There's no interpretation. It's how much was actually down when the house was purchased. It doesn't matter what they did to qualify for whatever.

[Jade Warshaw]

So they paid down their own debt just to qualify for the loan?

[Caller]

Correct.

[George Camel]

But they actually. They put no money into to it.

[Caller]

No money.

[George Camel]

Here's my thing. If you put 14 in, you should get a third of the profits plus the 14 you put in. Is that fair?

[Jade Warshaw]

Yeah.

[Caller]

The way we've done it from then is because, you know, they want to claim some of the taxes. They want to do these things. I. I kind of push back on it. Like, you guys haven't really put any money into the house. Why should you guys get, you know, all the profits from it? That thinking is probably wrong, but I ended up splitting the 14,000 to make it fair to feel like, hey, we've all put in to the house, so, you know, we split it three ways. And now it made me feel a little better, like, oh, you guys put the same amount in as I did.

[Jade Warshaw]

When you said we ended up. What do you mean? You ended up saying, what do you mean by that?

[Caller]

There was just some discussions about. About the house being sold, and they wanted to claim. You know, my stepmom and my dad wanted to claim their portion, and I was gonna get the smaller portion. I felt like I slightly deserved a little bit more because I put most of the money in. Right, so.

[George Camel]

And there's no agreement for any of this?

[Caller]

Unfortunately, there is not.

[Jade Warshaw]

Okay. And I'm saying who? I guess it doesn't really matter. When does. When are you guys putting the house up for sale?

[Caller]

So that's the thing. Is. Is one of my questions, is it. Is it worth fighting for? I've given them options. Like, hey, dad, would. How about you guys claim the house for the. For 20 years, and that'll be, like, my way of buying you guys out. You guys claim the property taxes.

[George Camel]

I just call BS when this was all for grandpa, this was just a nightmare for the entire family, and now it's turned into financial transactions of who gets what.

[Jade Warshaw]

Mm. What's the house even worth if it were to sell today?

[Caller]

I looked on Zillow, and it says about 900, but I don't think we're gonna get that because it's. It's just not in the condition. It needs a new roof. The air conditioning doesn't work. I've got quotes on all these things.

[George Camel]

And what's the mortgage?

[Caller]

The mortgage left is 551,000.

[George Camel]

Okay, so let's say you guys get 800 for it. Is that fair?

[Caller]

That.

That.

That could be fair.

Yeah.

[George Camel]

Pay off the mortgage, pay some fees. 200,000 is what you guys net divided by three. Everyone gets 66, and you call it a day, or you get a little bit more because of your 14. I don't know if you can convince Them of that you can create an agreement. I don't know if they'll sign it. This is on all of you for having no written agreement. So you, you must know there's a stupid tax here to be paid that might lose you 14 grand. And that's if you can convince them to stop sell it. Yeah.

[Caller]

And there was also equity we took out, so that would also have to.

[Jade Warshaw]

Oh, gosh, who took the equity out?

[Caller]

It was supposed to be taking out for property taxes that we couldn't pay one year. We ended up taking out $115,000.

[George Camel]

Hold on. All three of you together couldn't afford the property taxes on this home?

[Caller]

I, I mean, at that time, no, I could afford a couple, A couple thousand. But my, you know, I don't want to, you know, speak down on them, but my parents at the time, time just financially there weren't in the position to come up with 3, 4, 5,000 dollars.

[George Camel]

Then none of you should be in the home ownership game, let alone together as some sort of weird business partnership. I would try to get a quick claim deed and get your portion and they buy you out. And if they can't afford to, we force the sale.

[Jade Warshaw]

The numbers you quoted, was that before or after the 150?

[George Camel]

So are we, are we deeper in debt than we thought?

[Jade Warshaw]

Are you only going to earn 50,000 off this sale or are you going to.

[Caller]

To, probably, but that's, you know, that's just another discussion in itself that I, I have kind of heard coming from them that I shouldn't get more than them. I shouldn't get more than them.

They.

They should get a bigger portion. And well, if we do what you.

[Jade Warshaw]

Said, which is if there's another loan out there for another 150. What. You know, you don't stand to make much on. On this.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Jade Warshaw]

So it's, I mean, that. Then we're really talking about like, how much do you really want to fight on this? Because you said it's worth 551. Maybe you sold it for 800. But if we subtract that 150 out of this, that 200, 000 that we thought we would net suddenly go down to like 50 or 60 split three ways. So now you guys are quibble. You're quibbling over $20,000 a piece, which don't get me wrong, $20,000 is a lot of money. But you have to decide, here's the problem. Cost.

[George Camel]

They probably can't afford to refinance this thing and get you out of it, right?

[Jade Warshaw]

No, they can't.

[Caller]

Well, I mean, I can try. I can. I've already talked to people about refinancing. I just don't think they. They want to take their name off.

[George Camel]

Everybody wants out. Then just force the sale.

[Jade Warshaw]

Yeah, that's what you're gonna do.

[George Camel]

You guys all should have come together to cover the mortgage for grandpa, not buy it off of him and create this family drama. This is destroying a legacy, not helping. Keep it up.

[Jade Warshaw]

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[Caller]

Your chances of winning, and there's no purchase necessary.

[Jade Warshaw]

Just go to ramseysolutions.comgiveaway. that's ramseysolutions.comgiveaway. good luck, you guys. All right, George, we talk about some very important things on the show, possibly none more important than the will itself, because you amass all this debt, you've done well financially, but one of these days, you're going to leave the earth. And so you need to make sure that your family and your loved ones know what to do. But we get a lot of questions surrounding will, so let's do a round robin. I'll ask a question, you say the answer.

[George Camel]

All right?

[Jade Warshaw]

All right. How do you know, George, if I. How do I know if I need a trust or if my estate is too complicated for an online will?

[George Camel]

Okay. In general, if your estate is worth less than a million, will online is a great option for now.

[Jade Warshaw]

Love that. Okay, well, what do I need to start my will online?

[George Camel]

It's answering some hard questions like who do you want to get your stuff? Who's going to take care of the minor kids? Who do you want to make decisions if you're incapacitated? That's where it gets real. But you got to know those answers.

[Jade Warshaw]

You do. You do. You do. Okay, so number three, is an online will legally valid?

[George Camel]

Yes, it's valid in your state, so it's got to be state specific and match those laws. So if you move, you need a new will.

[Jade Warshaw]

That's. That's right. Same thing happened to us. All right. Why would I want an online will versus doing a traditional one with a lawyer?

[George Camel]

I mean, it's like saying, why would I want to get a. My. My license renewed online when I can go into the dmv, pay triple? That's kind of what it's like. Do you want to work with A lawyer and pay, you know, three, four times more, be my guest. But if you can do it online, it's cheaper, more convenient. So knock it out.

[Jade Warshaw]

There you go. That's. That's. That's it in a nutshell. So if you have more questions or if you want to know if an online will is right for you, go to Ramsey Solutions.com wills quiz to find out if an online will is right for you. It was right for me a while.

[George Camel]

You know, I used Mama Bear legal forms and it's super easy.

[Jade Warshaw]

It did. It is. It is. All right, let's go to Isabel. She's in San Antonio. Tejas. What's going on? Isabel?

[Caller]

Hi.

[Jade Warshaw]

Hi.

[Caller]

Hi. Thank you for taking my call. I just had a question. I have been at my job for a little over a decade. We work. Were recently acquired by a bigger facility. So I have a pretty substantial amount in my 401k with my previous employer. My question is the new company that we were acquired by does offer a 401k as well. I am on the fence on whether I should move it. My husband thinks that we should move it to the new 401k. I just don't know if a direct 401k rollover into the new one is the best option since they're both 401k. So I was just looking for some guidance.

[George Camel]

Are they doing sort of automatic rollovers with this merger where they're saying, hey, we're going to take all these old 401ks and just move them into the new 401k? What are they saying?

[Caller]

They're saying that we are given the option for a 401k. We're not. It's not going to be a direct rollover, unfortunately. We're. We're still going to be getting the option to have it, but no, it's not going to go directly to.

[George Camel]

Oh, you can't do a direct rollover.

[Jade Warshaw]

You don't have to go to a.

[George Camel]

Yeah, you just do a direct rollover to an IRA that you would control.

[Caller]

Okay. Yeah, because they said everything that I moved to it is not going to get, you know, if I have a substantial amount in there, it's. It's not going to get like.

[George Camel]

I don't know why the amount would matter. Is there like some sort of limit to where they won't roll it over if it's over a certain amount?

[Caller]

No, no. I just never really dealt with it before.

[George Camel]

So I would get in touch with HR and see, hey, what's going on with the old 401k, what's the plan? If you have great options and low fees in that new 401k and they can do a direct rollover, that's fine. Or if you want to do a direct rollover to an IRA that you control, that's also fine. The key here is you don't want to actually take out the money. You never want to see this money because then you're going to get hit with penalties and fees. So that's the simplest way to do it, is just. Those are the key words. Direct rollover.

[Jade Warshaw]

Great call. Great question. All right, we've got Monica, who's in Chicago, Illinois. Hey, Monica, you're on line.

[Caller]

Hi. Thank you for taking the call.

[Jade Warshaw]

You bet.

[Caller]

My question is centered around my home. You know, my. My husband and I, we bought a home in 2020 when the mortgage rates were really low. So we have a great rate of 2.5, but we, you know, the last couple of years, we just outgrown the home. The layout of the home is. Just doesn't fit our needs anymore. And we are looking either to take out a home equity loan to remind, extend our current home because we have that great mortgage rate, or potentially purchasing a new home. But every home that we've been looking that would fit our needs is much, much higher than our current mortgage at a higher interest rate. So we're just trying to what makes sense, what's the best, you know, case for us?

[Jade Warshaw]

Well, what I'm hearing, I'm hearing two sides of an equation. It's like, hey, if we keep the current home, we'd like to remodel it, but we don't have the money to do that, so we'd have to take debt to do it. And then I see, I see another side over here which says, well, what if we just took debt and got a bigger house? And then you realize, but if we did that, we couldn't afford it. So the second is, the second option is shining light on what's really true, which is you can't afford it. Does that make sense?

[Caller]

Well, we don't have any other that we make a fairly stable good income. We're under the equation that they recommend that, like, how much is your. From your monthly income? How much are you allocating towards your mortgage? We're way under that.

[Jade Warshaw]

I understand that. But if you were to add that debt, if you were to take that same amount, let's say, how much do you think you'll spend on a remodel?

[Caller]

Like another 150.

[Jade Warshaw]

Okay, so if you went out in the market and bought another house for $150,000 more dollars dollars, you'd suddenly realize, oh my gosh, I can't afford that. Which is what happened.

[George Camel]

So especially when that HELOC is at, you know, 8% interest and now it's variable. So you're not really winning by keeping the two and a half.

[Caller]

Right.

[Jade Warshaw]

Do you see what we're saying?

[Caller]

Options between like not equal? Because I've seen that that has like a variable interest rate. So I was thinking like another type of home equity or personal.

[George Camel]

I mean even a home equity loan, it'll be a, it'll be a fixed rate on the that, but it's still going to be much higher than your two and a half. So I, I just wouldn't hang on to these golden handcuffs of the low rate. But the, the math of it is you guys can't afford to move to a, a bigger house with the current numbers and you can't afford to do the renovation. So we need to find out a compromise here, which might be we're going to save up in cash flow these renovations over the next year or two. So how much money can you guys save up right now per month?

[Caller]

We can probably save about 4,000.

[George Camel]

4,000Amonth? Yeah. So that's 50 grand a year and you have 150 grand of renovations you want to do. Is that really what's going to cost?

[Caller]

That's approximately. We've had a couple of quotes here and there and they vary between 80 to, you know, depending. It could be up to 200.

[Jade Warshaw]

Oh gosh. So it's multiple rooms. You're doing multiple rooms of the house.

[Caller]

It would just, it would be an extension and it's an older home. So if you're all would have kind of the other.

[George Camel]

Well, my other fear is that you overbuild in the neighborhood because what kind of homes are in your neighborhood? What are the going numbers people are selling for?

[Caller]

It's actually getting better. And we see these type of home become addition to renovations like coming up like two per block every couple of months so that the neighborhood is actually moving along the same path of doing this, extending your home. They're all smaller homes and as the time passes, every other block, every like down our street, there's three right now happening.

[George Camel]

Would you guys want to stay there forever regardless of the mortgage interest rate? Is this the forever home if you added 100 grand of renovations to it or at least a five year home or something?

[Caller]

Yes. Like if we were to accommodate it Renovated, we could see this being our forever home. So that's why we were kind of liking the idea of like, well, we have a low mortgage rate, we pay a low mortgage, we're able to save a little bit, but if we want to do it soon, we would have to incur in this.

[George Camel]

Yeah. What's the exact urgency here?

[Jade Warshaw]

What changed in your situation that the home was good in 2020, but now it's not anymore.

[Caller]

Did you have kids, Gotten married? We were, we didn't have kids, didn't have pets. And we were, we weren't thinking that this was going to be the forever home. But as time passed and now we have a daughter and pets and we're starting to see things more long term. You know, back then it was even so hard to get a home like because the prices were so low.

[George Camel]

Well, if your mortgage is, if your mortgage is so reasonable right now, couldn't you move up in home?

[Jade Warshaw]

That's what I was gonna say. I feel like your money is better spent saving up for, to close the gap on a down payment of the home that would really suit your needs. Because adding an extension and building on and that feels like, like to George's point, that you could really overbuild and that you're just uncovering a nightmare of just more and more and more expenses.

[George Camel]

It's going to be stressful for the next year or two, even doing this with or without debt. So I would encourage you guys to go, okay, if we just keep knocking out this mortgage, we're just building more equity and when we go to sell, we'll get more profit. We can put that toward the next home. That's what I would encourage you guys to do. That's what I've done in the past. If you guys can knock out that mortgage, well now we have 100% equity when we sell. So that would be my goal for you guys is just move up in house and make sure that mortgage is 25% of take home pay or less. Hey guys, George Camel here. Do you ever feel like insurance companies only care about your money and not what you actually need? Well, there's a better way. When you go to Ramsey's Insurance Resource Hub, you'll start feeling confident that you're getting the right coverage. That's truly best for you. Find helpful info on everything from life insurance, health insurance, identity theft protection and more. And when you're ready to get the coverage you need, you can connect with a Ramsey trusted insurance pro who will only get you what you need at the Best price, go to ramseysolutions.com insurance ramseysolutions.com insurance.

[Jade Warshaw]

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[George Camel]

Today's question comes from Declan. In California, I'm currently earning more than I ever have, but I find myself struggling to tithe. I haven't stopped, but I'm doing it with a heavy heart. I'm married, we're debt free, and have a baby. It's not the same to give 10 bucks when you earn 100 as it is giving 10,000 when you earn a hundred thousand.

[Jade Warshaw]

And what.

[George Camel]

At this level, you start measuring the opportunity cost, what that money could mean for your family, the experiences it could fund, and the security it could provide.

[Jade Warshaw]

Provide.

[George Camel]

I'm not questioning the principle of tithing, but I am wrestling with the posture of my heart. My concern is that even though I haven't stopped tithing, it might not be pleasing to the Lord if it's not offered joyfully. Do you have any advice for me?

[Jade Warshaw]

What a great question.

[George Camel]

That's a very thoughtful question from Declan. I appreciate the way he phrased this all and I relate to it. I can actually see where he's coming from. As the numbers start to get bigger, it's different. There's more zeros on the end, even though. Because 10%, like he said, of 100, well, yeah, 10 bucks and I got to live on the 90. That's something. Now 100,000 and I'm giving 10,000. You're. It definitely puts some pause.

[Jade Warshaw]

I mean, yes, you could say that, but it's. You could also flip the script and be like, listen, when you own. If you only had 100 bucks and you had to give 10 of it, you'd be like, shoot, like, I already couldn't do anything with this money.

[George Camel]

And now there's a threshold of, like, I can survive off of this. So, yeah, there's a piece of it where you go, well, you can. Can you live? Can you be grateful that you make $100,000 now in California? Who knows that?

[Jade Warshaw]

Sure.

[George Camel]

That might not get you very far. Based on where he's living and I don't know how much he makes. He just, he's giving us the principle. He didn't say how much he's actually making or how much he's giving.

[Jade Warshaw]

He said he's not questioning the principle. But I, I do wonder if there's something missing from what he believes because I think the heart posture thing, I think, and I don't know, Declan, but I think the biggest reminder is if you can remember it was never yours. Once we start thinking of it as ours is when all bets are off.

[George Camel]

Yeah, we call that, you know, being a steward is what the Bible says. And it definitely changes it. When you go, I'm not managing this for me, I'm managing it for someone else. If it's not my money, then it's not my business. I'm just going to do what's right. I'm going to be faithful and obey, obedient, do the 10% and learn to live on the rest. It's like we do with taxes, you know. Now taxes are not fun. I hope you have more enjoyment tithing than you do paying taxes. But you go, all right, I got to pay my 25% to the government and I'm going to learn to live, to live on the rest.

[Jade Warshaw]

Yeah. And I mean, I would just. It does feel different when it's the.

[George Camel]

Government because it's like that's anger inducing.

[Jade Warshaw]

Anger inducing. I would encourage you since you were. Seems like a, a faith filled person. I would encourage you to pray about that and ask God, hey, help me out with this. I want to do it, but I don't want to do it based on legalism. I want to do it with the right heart and I want to be a cheerful giver. Tell them to just ask for help. And when you ask, usually that door is open.

[George Camel]

You shall receive.

[Jade Warshaw]

That's right.

[George Camel]

I like that. You know, it's kind of this, like, God, I trust you more than my money. And so it's not about losing 10%, it's just about acknowledging 100% belongs to God. God, that's, that's the faith posture. And that's not, that's takes a place of spiritual maturity that is difficult to get to. And so I appreciate you kind of showing us this, this journey while you're.

[Jade Warshaw]

In it and a little practicality on it. You know, you're faking it till you make it. But a little practicality would be to remind yourself of all your blessings because you were blessed with now one, you know, the $10,000 that you now have to Tithe from, or I'm sorry, the hundred thousand that you're now tithing from if you can kind of list out. Oh, my gosh, here's how my life's better. Here's how this has been a breakthrough for me. Like, all of those blessings I think will also give you, put you in a greater spirit of gratitude to be able to do that. So.

[George Camel]

And a good. A great resource on this is Dave Ramsey's book, the Legacy Journey. He unpacks this beautifully with scripture and the heart and the motives behind it and all about wealth building as well. So make sure to check out that book.

[Jade Warshaw]

All right, Very good. Back to the phone lines. Becca in Austin, Texas. What's up, Becca? How are you?

[Caller]

You doing good? Thank you for taking my call.

[Jade Warshaw]

Absolutely.

[Caller]

My question for y' all is, so I'm in the market. I need to buy a new car. And based off of my savings, I'm wondering what you guys think I should spend on a car and if you think that I should take out a loan, and if I do take out a loan, how much should I put down?

[Jade Warshaw]

Now, Becca, do you think we're going to tell you to take out a loan on a vehicle? Okay, yeah, we like that one off the list.

[George Camel]

We just dislike you too much to put you into debt. So let's figure out how much car we can get. How much do you have in savings?

[Caller]

I have just over $60,000.

[George Camel]

Does that include your emergency fund? Is that everything?

[Caller]

That's 401k Roth, IRA, checking, savings.

[George Camel]

Oh, boy. Okay, let's take retirement out of this. How much do you have that's non retirement above your emergency fund?

[Caller]

I have just in my checkings, I have just over 22,000.

[George Camel]

Okay, do you have savings like for an emergency fund or is that it?

[Caller]

Yes, I have savings on top of that.

[George Camel]

Okay, so what's your three to six month emergency fund? How much is in there?

[Caller]

Honestly, I haven't broken that down. I have a pretty relatively low cost of living, so I know that I could live off of that for quite some time.

[George Camel]

Well, I want to encourage you to split it because here's what happens. The car becomes the emergency and then it depletes your emergency fund. So I would have a separate, you know, maybe you create another account within a savings account. You can have multiple and one is emergency fund, the other one is car fund. That's what I would do. So take three to six months, set it aside. Whatever's left over in cash becomes your car fund. And if it doesn't get you the car you want right now. Keep saving.

[Jade Warshaw]

What's your income?

[Caller]

I'm in college, so I make just under 23 an hour. I work four to five days a week, so it comes out to about 24,000.

[George Camel]

Okay, and how much car are you looking at? Like tell us the number or the make and model.

[Caller]

Either a Toyota or a Honda. I was hoping originally to spend about $9,000.

[Jade Warshaw]

Good job.

[Caller]

The car market right now is not great. So that's not going to get me quite what I thought. You know, I, I want to get something that is worth buying something new. My family lives in a different city, so, you know, I want to be able to drive and see them as well.

[Jade Warshaw]

What if you spent like 12 dol thousand?

[Caller]

Okay, that would be my number.

[George Camel]

That would be my top number. So here's the, here's our parameter. You should never have things that have wheels and motors that add up to more than half of your annual income. So if this is your only car and you make 24 grand a year, 12k would be my out the door number for you. And so that's what you're looking for and which definitely changes your search. You're not going to the new car dealership. You're not just looking at any car. Because if you look at a 2023 Corolla. Well, now the, the 20, 2012 looks like I'm not gonna drive that.

[Caller]

Right, right, right.

[George Camel]

And so for, especially for a college kid, I think you should be driving the worst cars as you're when you're young. And it should only get better over time.

[Jade Warshaw]

Absolutely.

[George Camel]

And too I see too many 16 year olds in my neighborhood with nicer cars than me.

[Jade Warshaw]

I know that's right.

[George Camel]

Drives me insane. Parents doing.

[Caller]

I agree. I, yeah, thankfully I, I'm not used to a luxurious car. Mine is almost as old as me. So I'm as long as it works, I'm happy with that.

[Jade Warshaw]

Well, Becca, you've done a great job. You're young, you don't have any debt up money, you're working. I'm proud of you. I, I think a $12,000 car is gonna be just the thing you need. George. I love when somebody young calls in and they got a good head on their shoulder.

[George Camel]

It's fantastic.

[Jade Warshaw]

When she said she wanted to spend $9,000.

[George Camel]

The key is let your budget drive what kind of car you get. Not the kind of car you get drive the budget. Because that's where we get it twisted and we go, well they upsold me and they said they can work with me on the payment. And then they end up with 20 grand in car loan debt at 23%. Interesting.

[Jade Warshaw]

Oh my goodness. All right, George, we have time for a question from. Let's go with this one from Noel on TikTok, okay? He says, should I put the thousand dollar emergency fund in a high yield savings account so it can grow instead of just sitting there?

[George Camel]

I mean, sure, but grow is relative. It's about how much I'm going to grow in height at 36 years old. Let me do the math for you right now. You would get $35 in a year. So three bucks a month is what you'd make. If that. Hey, if that gets you excited, I'm happy for you. But I would park it. I mean, I would keep it in a high yield savings account just because it's a good place to keep it.

[Jade Warshaw]

But not for growth.

[George Camel]

But not for the growth. It's not meant to be an investment. This is your insurance policy against life throwing you some ankle biter emergencies while you're trying to knock out the debt.

[Jade Warshaw]

Yeah, it's better there than like in your sock drawer or like, you know, stuffed under your cushion because then you might pull it out if you're just run into 7 11.

[George Camel]

Well, those socks get eaten up in the laundry, so your money might go with it. Be careful with that.

[Jade Warshaw]

We don't want that. You work too hard for that thousand dollars. High yield savings account is great for it. All right. Our scripture and quote of the day, Isaiah 55, 8 and 9. My thoughts are not your thoughts. Neither are my ways your ways declares the the Lord. As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts higher than your thoughts.

[George Camel]

What a flex.

[Jade Warshaw]

I know, right? Come on now. Albert Einstein said two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not yet completely sure about the universe, man.

[George Camel]

Just classic. Classic Einstein burn shade.

[Jade Warshaw]

Golly. I tell you what, man, he's right though. All right, Lauren is in Hendersonville, North Carolina. Hi, Lauren. How can we help today?

[Caller]

Hey, thank you for taking my call. Yes, I am in the final stages of tying up my dad's estate. And the first thing on the list is we're going to be selling possibly one of my dad's cars. And my husband feels that my inheritance is now ours because we are one and that wives are to submit to your husband in all things. And he really wants me to sell the Lexus. And I'm feeling very conflicted and I'm not at peace. Because I'm not ready to sell it. I'm not sure what I want to do with it. But I also don't want to be going against what my husband thinks is best. So I'm hoping for some wisdom on how to handle this because this isn't just the first item. We've got a long ways to go.

[Jade Warshaw]

When did your dad pass? Pass?

[Caller]

He passed away three years ago.

[Jade Warshaw]

Three years ago. Okay, so you've just been going through, you know, little by little and sorting through everything?

[Caller]

Yeah, we. We ended up in probate, so you know how long that can take to get through things.

[Jade Warshaw]

Okay, so what all did you end up with that's in.

[Caller]

So I have. I ended up with an investment account that's worth 390,000. An inherited 401k, that's worth 300,000. About a quarter million in gold. And then a his house, which is worth about 1.1 million. Wow. And then the car.

[George Camel]

What's the car worth?

[Caller]

It's a 2018 Lexus LS400. I'm gonna guess it's probably around like 45,000. I can't remember how many miles it has on it, but it's pretty low.

[George Camel]

The smallest asset in the entire estate and we're already arguing about this and you want to keep it for yourself and drive it?

[Caller]

I don't know if. I mean, I wouldn't. My car's paid for. I drive a. A 2018 Honda CRV. So it wouldn't be like I'd be driving this all the time. I would feel.

[Jade Warshaw]

Yeah. What's the rush in selling it? Why can't you just keep it? Cuz you like it and it reminds you of your dad. You got a bunch of money here.

[Caller]

I do have an emotional attachment to it, so that's what I'm struggling with. And I think his concern is like the upkeep and where are we going to keep it? Which are all valid concerns.

[Jade Warshaw]

Okay, I see.

[George Camel]

What are the ultimate goals that you guys had before any of this existed?

[Caller]

Our ultimate goals with the estate with just money.

[George Camel]

Like where are you trying to pay off debt, trying to pay off the mortgage. Where are you guys at?

[Caller]

So we were just paying off our car loans. We didn't even own a home. We were just renting and we actually bought our home with the life insurance that my dad left us. So we don't have any debt.

[Jade Warshaw]

How much was that?

[Caller]

It's. Our house is worth about 380,000.

[Jade Warshaw]

Okay. What's going to happen with his house? Are you selling it and going to invest the cash.

[Caller]

I do plan on selling it, yes. I don't. It's in Atlanta and I, I won't be able to, you know, keep that up or anything. It's more house and I would.

[Jade Warshaw]

So the, so the true, the true argument around the car. There's only one argument that I see which is we don't have space for it. So I'm guessing you guys have a two car garage and it's just sitting in the, in the driveway, blocking everything and it's annoying for your husband. Is that it?

[Caller]

Yeah, we actually don't have a garage, but yeah, we just have our driveway. So the. It is, it would need to go somewhere. That is a hurdle if I were to keep it. And I don't think here he's excited about having to pay to store it somewhere or, you know, he thinks a lot of the responsibility would fall on him to keep.

[Jade Warshaw]

Well, it's kind of almost like I'd almost. If you did store it somewhere. If you did. I'm not saying you should, but if you did, it's like your grandfather, you're. It's like your dad's paying for it, right? Since all this money came from him.

[George Camel]

Yeah. I mean you, you still have another $2 million that it will, you know, manifest itself here from all the other assets. What's your plan with that?

[Caller]

I really don't have a plan yet. I do have, like I said, I have an investment account and I didn't want to get ahead of myself on what to do with it. I was just trying to close up the estate, you know, before I figured out how to, you know, diversify it, but I really don't have a plan.

[George Camel]

Does your husband have ideas of what he would want to do with his 2 million?

[Caller]

He does. He wants me to put it in stock.

[Jade Warshaw]

Single stocks?

[Caller]

No, I don't think so. I think they're group stocks.

[George Camel]

Like mutual funds, index funds.

[Caller]

Okay, that sounds, I don't have any experience with that. I know he does. So. But yeah, I guess I'm just. I don't want to go against my husband and, and, but I'm feeling very conflicted because I really am not ready to get rid of it, but I feel like it's going to cost.

[George Camel]

What do you guys make a year?

[Caller]

So my husband's a stay at home or. My husband works for himself. I'm a stay at home mom. I homeschool our six year old. He on our last tax return made about 15,000. He just works part time.

[Jade Warshaw]

15 how do you guys live? How are you living before you inherited this money?

[Caller]

We're. We're using my investment account money to supplement our income.

[Jade Warshaw]

But how were you before you received it? Did you have a trust fund before?

[Caller]

I did not know he was working full time at that point. He's got it. I've received this money. He has cut back a lot.

[George Camel]

And is the game plan just to live off these investments for the rest of your lives and never work again?

[Caller]

I. I do not think that that's wise. No, I do not want to do that.

[Jade Warshaw]

Let's. Let me. I'm gonna give you some real talk right now. There's. There's something. There's a thread in this that. That doesn't sit right with me from hearing you talk. And I'm just going by what I'm hearing you say. I feel like this. This money came from a loved one of yours, and it is your money. It's both of your money money. But it feels like your husband is feeling like, this is what I want to do, and so this is what I'm going to do. And it's almost like for him, it's. It's a. It's permission to do what he wants to do, which is now I no longer want to work. Even though you're saying, hey, I think you still need to work. And this is just here for the family to. To. To, you know, for us to live on later. And it will continue to be an inheritance for our children. Right. And don't get me wrong, there's parts of that that you can enjoy. But then over here, when there's something that you would like to enjoy, which is, I'd like to keep this car around. This reminds me of my dad. And if we have to store it, we'll just use some of the millions that my dad left us to pay for it. I'm fine with that. But then over there, for some reason, he's not letting you do that. And I've heard you use a little bit of language that is kind of making me feel like it's being taken out of context. So I just want to tell you, like, you do have a vote in this, and you. And it's okay for you to say, I don't want to do that, and I don't agree with that. And we need to say stop. And no one needs to do anything until both of us agree at the very least. And that's not being disrespectful. That's just you being able to have a say and have a vote in what goes on. And it's okay for you guys to not do anything until there's mutual agreement. And that goes with working or not working. Like, I, I, I think you guys need to have some tough conversations, and you need to let them know that you're not feeling heard in this relationship.

[George Camel]

And the truth is, he just thought about this longer than you have of what he's going to do with this money. He has a little bit more financial literacy. And so your job now is to gain some financial literacy, because you just got a whole bunch of wealth to manage, and that might mean you get some pros in your corner. You have a good tax pro, a good real estate pro, a good investment pro to help you figure all this out, to help you understand it, to help you make the right next move, and then you and your husband can get aligned, but based on all of the advice they give you and what your personal goals are. But right now, there's no real vision for this household. And so I don't trust him trying to control you with scripture when he has no vision for the family other than I'm gonna make ten grand a year for my hobby. And so I think we have a lot of things to figure out before we do anything with this money. The car is just a symptom of a whole bunch of problems underneath. So I hope you guys can get to the root of that.

[Jade Warshaw]

Yeah, what a gift. But allow it to be a gift. Don't turn that blessing into a curse by letting it pull you guys apart. That's. That's for sure. All right, guys, well, that does it for this episode. And remember, there's ultimately only one way to financial peace, and that is to walk daily with the Prince of peace, Christ Jesus.