Bryan Johnson: “We need to go to war…“

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Really Good Podcast with Bobbi Althoff

Episode: Bryan Johnson: “We need to go to war…“
Release Date: February 14, 2025

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Introduction

In this compelling episode of The Really Good Podcast, host Bobbi Althoff sits down with Bryan Johnson, a prominent figure in the field of longevity and biohacking. The discussion delves deep into the philosophical and practical aspects of extending human life, combating death, and optimizing overall health. Through a candid and sometimes humorous dialogue, both hosts explore the complexities and motivations behind the pursuit of immortality.

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Mental Health and Depression

The conversation begins with a candid exchange about mental health, particularly depression. Bryan Johnson opens up about his lifelong struggle with depression, emphasizing its pervasive impact on his desire to exist within his body.

Bryan Johnson (00:57): "I've been depressed my whole life. Probably since I was three. I don't know, maybe that feels extreme."

Bobbi relates by sharing her own experiences with depression, highlighting the universal nature of mental health challenges in today’s society.

Bobbi Althoff (05:00): "I exited that. But I agree, like, generally speaking, in today's world, most people have very serious mental health problems."

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The Quest for Longevity: Going to War with Death

Bryan Johnson articulates his central thesis: humanity must wage a war against death and its underlying causes. He draws parallels between historical endeavors, such as Magellan’s circumnavigation, and the current pursuit of immortality through advanced technology.

Bryan Johnson (06:59): "The most important thing happening is we are giving birth to super intelligence in the form of A.I. nothing else matters. Everything else is a sideshow."

He emphasizes the necessity of a paradigm shift in understanding reality, akin to realizing the Earth is round rather than flat, to grasp the potential of technology in extending life.

Bryan Johnson (08:20): "The technology is here, that we can actually not die. And so that's what this is about."

Bobbi challenges Bryan’s perspective by questioning the desire to live forever in a world rife with suffering and chaos.

Bobbi Althoff (09:26): "Why would you want to live here forever? You don't want to believe in an afterlife where it's peace and harmony, just not any of this."

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Diet and Nutrition: Optimizing for Health

The discussion transitions to the crucial role of diet in achieving optimal health and longevity. Bryan details his strict dietary regimen, which excludes processed foods and emphasizes nutrient-dense options.

Bryan Johnson (12:14): "I have three kids and my 19-year-old, he's at Crumble Cookies."

He critiques common dietary choices, advocating for plant-based foods, legumes, berries, nuts, seeds, and extra virgin olive oil as staples in his diet.

Bryan Johnson (30:52): "What's happening is that when you go to the store, you buy extra virgin olive oil using my Costco. No idea. You have no clue what you're eating."

Bobbi explores the challenges of maintaining such a diet, highlighting the often-overlooked aspects of food quality and its impact on health.

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Sleep: The Foundation of Health

A significant portion of the conversation focuses on the importance of sleep in maintaining health and extending lifespan. Bryan shares his personal sleep regimen, which includes an average of 8 hours and 34 minutes of sleep per night.

Bryan Johnson (18:33): "I average 8 hours and 34 minutes."

He outlines practical strategies for improving sleep quality, such as building one's life around a consistent sleep schedule and timing the final meal of the day at least two hours before bedtime.

Bryan Johnson (19:11): "The biggest predictor for sleep quality is your resting heart rate."

Bobbi attempts to implement these strategies live, demonstrating the practical application of Bryan’s advice and experiencing firsthand the challenges of adjusting sleep habits.

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Physical Fitness and Biomarkers

Bryan introduces the concept of biomarkers as indicators of one’s health status. He emphasizes the importance of regularly measuring various health metrics to maintain optimal health.

Bryan Johnson (15:22): "The net result is food is guilty until proven innocent."

In a live demonstration, Bryan conducts grip strength tests and other fitness assessments to illustrate the significance of objective health measurements.

Bobbi Althoff (34:22): "I have, like, the body of a 50-year-old woman right now."

Bryan underscores the necessity of accurate health monitoring to make informed decisions about one’s lifestyle and health interventions.

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Technology and Health Monitoring

The integration of technology in health monitoring is a key theme. Bryan showcases various devices and tools his team uses to track and optimize health metrics, including skin analysis and lung function tests.

Bryan Johnson (38:13): "This is Vizia. So it measures eight markers on your face, UV damage, reds, browns."

He explains the advanced methods used to assess and improve health, advocating for a scientific approach to personal well-being.

Bryan Johnson (39:18): "You're trying to measure. So if you smoke weed, you're trying to assess what it does to the body. It's changing stuff in a certain way."

The discussion highlights the interplay between technology and personal health, emphasizing the potential for data-driven health optimization.

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Conclusion

The episode wraps up with Bryan and Bobbi reflecting on the journey toward enhanced health and longevity. Bryan reiterates the importance of proactive health management and the role of technology in achieving it.

Bryan Johnson (43:16): "So when you're in the sun, it causes damage. So the sun feels great. It's nice and it helps, but you have to pay a price for damage."

Bobbi acknowledges the eye-opening insights gained from the discussion, recognizing the transformative potential of adopting such health-conscious practices.

Bobbi Althoff (44:00): "Thank you so much for having us. This is great. Life changing."

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Notable Quotes

• Bryan Johnson (00:57): "I've been depressed my whole life. Probably since I was three. I don't know, maybe that feels extreme."

• Bryan Johnson (08:20): "The technology is here, that we can actually not die."

• Bryan Johnson (15:22): "The net result is food is guilty until proven innocent."

• Bryan Johnson (18:33): "I average 8 hours and 34 minutes."

• Bryan Johnson (34:22): "I have, like, the body of a 50-year-old woman right now."

• Bryan Johnson (38:13): "This is Vizia. So it measures eight markers on your face, UV damage, reds, browns."

• Bryan Johnson (43:16): "So when you're in the sun, it causes damage. So the sun feels great. It's nice and it helps, but you have to pay a price for damage."

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Final Thoughts

This episode of The Really Good Podcast offers an insightful exploration into the intersection of mental health, longevity, diet, sleep, and technology. Bryan Johnson’s passionate advocacy for combating death and optimizing health provides listeners with both philosophical perspectives and practical strategies. Bobbi Althoff’s engaging hosting fosters a dialogue that is both informative and relatable, making complex topics accessible to a broad audience.

For those interested in the cutting-edge approaches to health and longevity, this episode serves as a thought-provoking resource, encouraging proactive and informed decisions towards a healthier, potentially longer life.

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Transcript

[A]

I'm probably the most misunderstood person on planet Earth.

[B]

Okay. Help us understand.

[A]

Yeah. It takes a minute to understand.

[B]

I have so many minutes.

[A]

You do. All right. All right. Let me think about how to explain this.

[B]

The goddess awaits. Like, oh, God, this is not gonna open. Oh, there you go. It's really good.

[A]

Okay, great. Okay. And my frame. Where do you want me? Here?

[B]

Yeah. You're okay. These are nice pants.

[A]

I like them. Thanks.

[B]

Hey, guys. Welcome to the really Good Podcast Today.

[A]

I'm here with Brian Johnson.

[B]

Good. You know your name.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Well, let's just. Let's just talk about the elephant in the room. Your shirt says don't die. It's a very, like, strong statement to make. I don't want to.

[A]

What does your shirt say?

[B]

Balenciaga. Yeah. I don't really do anything to not die. So.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm not in the business of wearing shirts that say don't die.

[A]

Yeah. Does that make you sad?

[B]

Dying?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I don't want to die.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I just can't be bothered to do anything that's good for me.

[A]

Why? Do you know why?

[B]

It's so much work. Thank you so much to ZocDoc for sponsoring this episode of the really Good podcast is a free app and website where you can search and compare high quality in network doctors and click to instantly book an appointment. Personally, I wish that I knew about ZOCDOC when I moved to la because that would have made finding a doctor so much easier. Stop putting off those doctor's appointments and go to Zocdoc.combobby today to find and instantly book a top rated Doctor today. That's z o c-o c.com Bobby Zocdoc.com Bobby this episode of the really Good podcast is brought to you by Shopify. Shopify is home to the number one checkout on the planet. I love how Shopify makes it so easy for both businesses to sell and customers to shop. So upgrade your business today and get the same checkout that Alo Yoga uses. Sign up for your $1 per month trial period at shopify.combobby all lowercase go to shopify.combobby to upgrade your selling today. Shopify.combobby this episode is brought to you by Meundies. Underwear drawers are like the Wild west. You never know what you're going to pull out or what shape it's in. So upgrade your collection with the buttery soft comfort of Meundies. Meundies signature fabric is as soft as a warm hug from your favorite sweater. Plus it's breathable and oh so comfy, making it ideal for all day wear. Get 20% off your first order, plus free [e-mail] Spotify with code Spotify. That's meundies.com Spotify. Code Spotify. I feel like you. You do so much to stay alive.

[A]

I mean, being here today is a lot of work.

[B]

Is it though? It's really not. I ate sugar cookies for breakfast. What? Did you have sugar cookies for breakfast today? Yeah.

[A]

Oh, no.

[B]

Do you eat sugar?

[A]

No. Where did you get the sugar cookies?

[B]

At Trader Joe's.

[A]

So did you bought them yesterday?

[B]

So my sister bought them yesterday. And then I was so hungry because I hadn't had anything to eat yet today. So I was like, just make the sugar cookies. So I ate them on the way here.

[A]

How many?

[B]

The whole entire.

[A]

The whole bag?

[B]

12.

[A]

And like what? Like this?

[B]

They're like. They're like this 12, maybe 11 of them. I ate a lot of them.

[A]

How do you feel?

[B]

I never feel good. So there's no. Yeah. Malaysia is just a little bit tired.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You're not tired right now?

[A]

No.

[B]

At all.

[A]

I overflow with energy. I almost have insatiable energy.

[B]

Do you?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What. What do you do with that energy?

[A]

So, you know, like I. I was depressed for 10 years.

[B]

That's a long time.

[A]

Yeah. And for those who haven't been depressed.

[B]

Mm.

[A]

It's almost impossible to explain what it feels like to be really depressed. Not just sad, like to be really depressed. To have no hope for existence.

[B]

I felt that. Do you want me to explain it?

[A]

Please.

[B]

Sure. Everyone watching who's. I don't think anybody's not depressed.

[A]

I agree.

[B]

Okay. That's nice.

[A]

I feel like I exited that. But I agree, like, generally speaking, in today's world, most people have very serious mental health problems.

[B]

I think everyone would agree with that.

[A]

Yes. Yeah. What? So have you felt depressed?

[B]

Yeah. No. I've been depressed my whole life. Probably since I was three. I don't know, maybe that feels extreme.

[A]

But you remember as a three year old feeling something?

[B]

No, I think that's definitely an exaggeration. There's no way as a three year old I remember anything besides nothing. I don't really remember my childhood. No. But since I was young, I've just been. What did you say? People, you don't want to exist or something? What was that? Yeah, it's not that I don't want to exist. I just don't want to exist in my body. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

So you would say your entire life you have felt some degree of depression. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I understand that.

[B]

Do you have. Do you have fun ever?

[A]

Yeah. So I guess, like, I'm probably the most misunderstood person on planet Earth.

[B]

Okay. Help us understand.

[A]

Yeah. It takes a minute to understand.

[B]

I have so many minutes.

[A]

You do. All right, all right. Let me think about how to explain this. All right, so let's just take a few samples from the past. Let's say if you're in. You're in 1519, and this guy Magellan says, I want to take a few ships, a big crew, and try to circumnavigate the globe.

[B]

Is that a real person?

[A]

Most people would be like, that's stupid.

[B]

Who's that?

[A]

Magellan? Yeah, he was the first person who. Who circumnavigated the globe.

[B]

I'm going to pretend I know what that means.

[A]

Okay, so like, at that point, nobody had sailed around the world. So he's Columbus, this is Magellan. So Columbus came to America.

[B]

Oh, he didn't.

[A]

Exactly. And magellan is in 1519. And at that time, people didn't know if the Earth was round.

[B]

Yeah, flat. I'm not going to lie to you. My whole life I thought Columbus discovered it wasn't flat.

[A]

Yeah, that's okay.

[B]

It's not.

[A]

That's right. Yeah. Columbus came to the Americas.

[B]

Okay. I know very little about anything.

[A]

All good, continue. Yeah, so the. Not a requisite to understand the situation, but like, in. In that place in time, it was not clear if you took a ship and you just sailed, if the ship was going to fall off the edge of the Earth or whether there was a round thing to actually circumnavigate. And so in that time and place, it was insane for somebody to get on a ship and sell with the risk of falling off the edge of the Earth. The most important thing happening is we are giving birth to super intelligence in the form of A.I. nothing else matters. Everything else is a sideshow.

[B]

Yeah, I don't like that.

[A]

It's just a reality.

[B]

That's why I don't. That's why I'm depressed. So what are you saying? It cannot suck to be alive?

[A]

I'm saying actually the technology is here, that we can actually not die. And so that's what this is about is basically, I'm trying to say a shift in understanding of reality is as big as the world is round and not flat, that there are microscopic objects that cause infection, that we may not die. And so it breaks people's brains. They just can't understand it. And so when they can't understand it, they kind of just vomit words of like, tech bro, biohacker, eccentric vampire, Patrick Bateman, Prometheus fuckface. Like, they're just like. Just like, they try to, like, make sense of me through these, like, insults because they just can't quite understand it. And so then they don't understand what. What this conversation is about. They can't see this moment. So that's why. So it's fine.

[B]

Yeah. My question isn't. I don't. I don't necessarily think that you're wrong, but why do you want to live forever?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because that's. That's where you lose me. Why. Why would you. The world sucks. There's so much horrible stuff everywhere. It's. The world is so horrible. Why would you want to live here forever? You don't want to believe in an afterlife where it's peace and harmony, just not any of this, and you live forever there.

[A]

So I. I don't trust anything that my mind says.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And so that's, number one, you're not.

[B]

Do you have. Do you have a bunker in your house?

[A]

No.

[B]

So what are you going to do if, like, there's war here?

[A]

I'm going to participate and try to defuse it. But. So, like, the second idea, I feel.

[B]

Like I spend more time worrying about, like, for me, when I'm like, I don't want to die. I'm not worried about my health. I'm worried about what do I do at home to make sure that if something bad happens, I can protect my kids.

[A]

So the concept of living for tomorrow is identical to living forever. Those ideas are exactly the same.

[B]

Not following you.

[A]

We always have things to do tomorrow. But when you have the idea of living forever, it just breaks the human brain. And humans shut down. They're like, I don't want that.

[B]

Okay. I think the bigger issue is that, sure, I will admit that I want to live forever. Okay, fine, great. I don't want to do all that work. Yeah, I want to. I want to just live in convenience and eat unhealthy and work out sometimes. And I can't imagine waking up and just immediately being like, okay, I gotta do all this stuff. As anyone in the history of the world ever just done that every day of their life. They have.

[A]

My central thesis is that the most important thing for the human race is that we go to war with death and its causes. We need to purge the world of die.

[B]

Okay, you say a lot of things that I'm scared of how they're going to end, but then I'm okay.

[A]

Every time I say something, you're like, I need to brace myself.

[B]

Yeah. Actually. You don't think you're gonna die ever?

[A]

I think the. The probability that someone would die in. If they're born in 1820 is pretty high.

[B]

Did you. Were you born in 1820?

[A]

No. I'm just saying, like, any anytime the previous past, you know, hundred thousand years.

[B]

You think it's low now?

[A]

I think it's lower than it ever has been in the history of human civilization.

[B]

What do you think the probability of you dying is?

[A]

It depends on whether we can get our shit together as a species.

[B]

I don't think we can.

[A]

I think there's reason to have hope that. I think there's reason to have hope.

[B]

Do you eat fruit?

[A]

I do. Berries? Yeah. Mostly berries.

[B]

You never just have some watermelon?

[A]

Sometimes. Yeah.

[B]

Okay. I feel like you. Fruit's a good substitute for unhealthy stuff.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

You don't ever just sit down and binge watch TV all day and just. Yeah. You don't feel like you want to do that sometimes? Like, damn, I want a break.

[A]

Yeah. It makes me feel awful. Eating bad food makes. If I had a hot chocolate with sugar, I would feel so awful. I'd have a headache.

[B]

I have a headache.

[A]

My head. Yes. It's awful, right?

[B]

I just took Advil.

[A]

Oh, it's so sad. That makes me feel sad.

[B]

I. I wish I didn't have a headache every day, but I don't do anything to prevent that.

[A]

Yeah. I was filming some content yesterday, and my team brought me Chick Fil A Taco Bell.

[B]

And you ate it?

[A]

I took a bite of Taco Bell, of their taco and of the nachos, and I took the Chick Fil A. It was a chicken breast that was breaded, and they had fries.

[B]

Mm. What happened?

[A]

That's fucking crazy that that's called food.

[B]

Why?

[A]

I had a bite of the taco. My entire face, like, flared up with what I just could. I could feel the oils. I could feel that it was. It's such shitty food.

[B]

I agree. I don't. It's disgusting what we feed people.

[A]

It's awful.

[B]

It's horrible. It's so easy, though.

[A]

Yeah, it is.

[B]

Oh, sorry. May I?

[A]

Yeah, I have enough. Okay. I can. I can.

[B]

You said you wanted to.

[A]

Can I do this for 10 minutes?

[B]

Yeah. No, go ahead.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

See you in. See you in 10.

[A]

Okay. You want me to turn your microphone up?

[B]

That's what they tell you that's what they want you to believe. I mean, yeah, I guess so. It's crazy. He didn't yawn one time. What are they doing.

[A]

My entire life that my account could actually get deleted. So if you're watching this right now and my account mysteriously disappears, I need.

[B]

You guys to know.

[A]

If you guys do something as idiotic. Okay? I'm so sorry.

[B]

Oh, no, it's okay. It was just 45 minutes.

[A]

I've probably spent more money than anybody in the world testing foods for toxins.

[B]

And what did you discover?

[A]

The net result is food is guilty until proven innocent. Like we're a bunch of adults in this world. Nobody taught us basic self care and basic health practices. It's like going to bed on something actually. How do you sleep? How do you brush your teeth? What is the right time to have your last meal of the day? So for the past couple years, if you're not familiar with what I've been doing, I possibly have the best biomarkers of anybody in the entire world.

[B]

I don't know what a biomarker is.

[A]

Okay. I'm potentially the healthiest person on planet Earth.

[B]

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[A]

Just be that they sleep unquestionably. Sleep.

[B]

How. How do you have good sleep? Because even if I just lay down and close my eyes, it's not going to.

[A]

Yeah. So I'll, I'll tell you. So I have the best sleep score in history. Eight months of perfect sleep.

[B]

How many hours is great sleep?

[A]

So it depends on the person.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I average 8 hours and 34 minutes.

[B]

It's crazy.

[A]

Okay, so here, here's the, here's the invitation for you. So one is you have to build your life around sleep. That's counterintuitive because right now you just like whenever you sleep, when you're done watching a movie, you sleep when you're finished. Like you sleep when you have time. When the social event is done, you have to build your life around sleep. So it's very counterintuitive. But hang with me, it makes sense. Number two is your final meal of the day is at least two hours before bed. So if your bedtime. What time's your bedtime?

[B]

Between. I go to bed early. Like 8 and 9.

[A]

Okay. Same page. So let's just say 8:30 is your bedtime. Mine too. Your last meal of the day is at 6:30.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And no snacking.

[B]

Okay. Are you. When's the last time you had food?

[A]

Today I had my final meal of the day just before you arrived.

[B]

That's.

[A]

Okay. So here's why it works.

[B]

You don't feel hungry right now.

[A]

So the biggest predictor for sleep quality is your resting heart rate.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

You're going to measure your Heart rate tonight. And just so measure the number of beats for six seconds and then times it by 10. Let's do it.

[B]

How do you do six seconds?

[A]

Because there's 60 seconds.

[B]

I'm saying, do you have to like.

[A]

So do it now.

[B]

But let me put a clock up. How are we going to know it's been six seconds? You just know how to count to six.

[A]

No, just hold up your timer.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay, we'll do it both. Both of us.

[B]

I'm scared. One, two, three.

[A]

Okay, mine's eight.

[B]

Almost two. We're so healthy.

[A]

Okay, so we're both 80.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And so before you go to bed tonight, take your resting heart rate and let's just say it's 65.

[B]

Oh, it gets slower.

[A]

Yeah. As you, as you get ready for bed because your body wants to calm down.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Your body's like getting to a more sleepful state if you're resting. Heart rate 65 tonight, tomorrow. Try to move your last meal today back, you know, to 6:30. And the next day go to 5:30, the next day go to 4:30. Just try it. And you're going to watch your resting heart rate go down to like 63, 61, 59. And as the heart rate gets lower, you're going to sleep better. It's all about the resting heart rate now. That's, that's like the first.

[B]

What if you are starving?

[A]

Your body gets used to it. So just like I feel like when.

[B]

I go to bed, I'm sitting there and I cannot sleep if I did not eat.

[A]

So just start slowly. Like just do the two hours and then maybe go back 15 minutes later. So it's two hours and 15 minutes before bed. And fifth, like just slowly get into it. You'll get accustomed to it.

[B]

Did you, you, how many meals did you eat today?

[A]

I ate three.

[B]

All between what time?

[A]

6:00Am and 11:00am that's just one meal. My resting heart rate is, is 44. So when I hit 44 beats per.

[B]

Minute, is that normal?

[A]

Yeah, it's like an elite athlete level heart.

[B]

When they sleep, they, they have no heart rate.

[A]

Because your heart, when you, when your heart rate's low.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It means you're in good health. Like your heart is very efficient.

[B]

Now I'm concerned. I wonder what mine is at night.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Lexi, what's yours? What is yours? Do you not. You're healthy. She does yoga. She does yoga three times a day. So they don't. I feel like my sister out of anybody should know that. So she doesn't. I, I feel like, there's no way my gun's even close to that.

[A]

Here, let me explain to you, like, how this is going to happen. So you're going to eat a little earlier. You may be a little uncomfortable. Your resting heart rate is going to go down. Your kids are going to be in their own bedroom.

[B]

Okay, do that.

[A]

Hang with me. You're going to sleep really well, which means you're going to get deep sleep, REM sleep. You're going to wake up in the morning and you're going to say, oh my God, this sounds heavenly. This is fucking insane. And then you're going to see a box of cookies from Trader Joe's and you're going to say, no way, that's fucking stupid. Why would I do that? You're going to drink something healthy and then you're going to say, you know what, I want to go for a walk and exercise a little bit. You're going to do it. You're going to say, oh my God, I kind of feel happy about life a little bit.

[B]

And then I'm going to get hit by a bus.

[A]

But you know what? It doesn't matter.

[B]

Why?

[A]

Because see, this is the thing. Everyone does this. It's like they use they get hit by the bus thing as the excuse for why nothing virtuous should happen in life.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It is such a defeatist mentality. Like, why have kids if you're gonna get hit by a bus? Especially if you're like, if you're an invested parent, you really want to. Right. Like, it just has this thing. And so I wish more people would state that, like that can be true.

[B]

Your kids, are they all super healthy then?

[A]

The kids?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, so I, I mean, I have three kids and my 19 year old, he's talma.

[B]

Nobody said no. Dad.

[A]

Where'S he at?

[B]

He's. He's at Crumble Cookies.

[A]

He used to work at Crumble Cookie.

[B]

That is so wild. But I say that out of all places right now. That's like the first place that pops into my head.

[A]

So the reason why is because Crumble Cookie is a company.

[B]

Are you guys Mormon?

[A]

We were.

[B]

Oh my gosh, that makes so much sense. Yeah, you seem so Mormon. That's why you can get away with drinking. No Coffee and stuff forever. You're used to that. You've been doing that. You're not Mormon anymore.

[A]

No, but Mormons, they. So I went to their. I went to Utah in. Over the Christmas break and Mormons use sugar as a form of currency.

[B]

You don't drink alcohol do you?

[A]

I don't.

[B]

I don't drink alcohol. Really? You don't smoke weed, though?

[A]

No.

[B]

That's where you lose me.

[A]

Yeah. Do you smoke weed?

[B]

That's natural.

[A]

Natural.

[B]

It is, isn't it?

[A]

How often do you smoke weed?

[B]

Like once a week? Yeah, maybe.

[A]

Yeah, maybe.

[B]

Maybe twice a month. Like it's not too much.

[A]

Yeah. Why do you do it?

[B]

I like how it feels.

[A]

Yeah. I hate that feeling.

[B]

I think this would be fun. If we were both high just sitting.

[A]

Here, I would be down for that.

[B]

You would take probably a year off your life.

[A]

I'd have to do the scientific research, and I'd have to quantify it. I'd have to basically make it an experiment. I'd have to, like. I'd have to measure what the impact is on my sleep, on my speed of aging, on my biomarkers. I need to, like, make a decision.

[B]

Isn't it natural? I don't know anything about it other than it's isn't, is it?

[A]

Yeah. I don't think it gets a pass because of the word natural.

[B]

Why?

[A]

I mean, what.

[B]

What else is. Comes from this earth that is bad for you.

[A]

You're trying to measure. So if you smoke weed, you're trying to assess what it does to the body. It's changing stuff in a certain way.

[B]

I think it just makes your heart.

[A]

Rate slower, which you like, but it's a chemical. It has other effects on the body.

[B]

Do you always get a sugar hangover if you just have sugar?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Really?

[A]

You probably had, like. Like 50 grams of sugar. No. Yeah, 50. Like, probably.

[B]

I probably had more than that.

[A]

Half to 75% of a crumble cookie.

[B]

You have a TV?

[A]

Yeah. We almost never turn it on. I just noticed that when we moved in here, it was here already.

[B]

Get rid of it.

[A]

Well, yeah, so the. The amount of photons that come from that are so many.

[B]

What the fuck is a photon?

[A]

There's so much light that comes from it that overwhelms me, so I just rarely turn it on.

[B]

So you don't watch tv?

[A]

Rarely.

[B]

Did you watch your documentary?

[A]

We did, yeah.

[B]

Do you, like, limit yourself to a certain amount of screen time every day? Do you use your phone often? Yeah, a lot.

[A]

Yeah, that.

[B]

That has to be bad for people.

[A]

But I do it and I maintain good posture, so it's like this. When I check my phone, I try. I try to do this.

[B]

That is so weird because.

[A]

Right.

[B]

That is weird. Like, you don't feel weird.

[A]

It is.

[B]

There's no. If I sat. First of all, have to, like, crack my back to sit straight. Imagine if you guys saw me do this.

[A]

What would you guys think?

[B]

They would be like, what the is wrong with you?

[A]

They'd be like, that's good posture.

[B]

No, they'd be like, are you a robot?

[A]

No, they'd be like, you're.

[B]

This looks like robotic.

[A]

Like, that looks great.

[B]

This is so weird. I think you should just.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Do that.

[A]

Yeah, you know, actually, I did an.

[B]

You have. I was gonna say you have very good posture. Is that bad for your health to not have good posture?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

How. How is that bad for your health?

[A]

Yeah, see, this is. This is so good.

[B]

How is that bad?

[A]

Okay, so what happens? So, like this, I have the worst posture of anybody. It restricts blood flow to and from your brain.

[B]

Have you always had good posture?

[A]

No, I just learned it a few years ago.

[B]

And now that feels good to you? That feels natural?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What does it feel like when you do this?

[A]

Awful. I feel the pressure on my spine and I get a headache.

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[B]

So weird.

[A]

A string and like, so like this. Pull it up.

[B]

Yeah. I don't like that. It looks ugly when people hunch. I hate. I hate looking at myself hunched. But it's so comfortable.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I still can't get over that you're Mormon. I mean, I can. I. Why didn't I look that up. That would have made so much sense.

[A]

Yeah. But it's actually kind of good. You just followed a journey to get.

[B]

Here to figure out these things that you're more. Are you from Utah?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

There's no. You look like you're Mormon now that I. This is crazy.

[A]

I. So yesterday when that. When I had Taco Bell, they. They brought me some Mountain Dew drink.

[B]

And then also Baja Blast.

[A]

Oh, no. You know. You know it.

[B]

Of course.

[A]

Shoot.

[B]

They're so good. I had a sip and you thought it was disgusting.

[A]

Over. It overwhelmed me with happiness. It's pure sugar.

[B]

It's disgustingly delicious.

[A]

Oh, it's awful.

[B]

Do you eat meat? Are you vegan?

[A]

I have plant based. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, my God. You don't ever want some cheese?

[A]

I don't really have anything against cheese. It's just that we set a standard. Like, if you're trying to become the healthiest person on the earth, then the goal is you have to pick the very, very best foods. You can't. So cheese just doesn't rank as a very, very best food. There's other foods that are better. So I have 2,250 calories in my budget. So foods compete for the absolute very best foods for that.

[B]

Got it. Do you eat rice?

[A]

I don't.

[B]

Why?

[A]

It just doesn't qualify. It doesn't hit the standard. It's fine.

[B]

What do you eat? What do you eat?

[A]

A lot of vegetables, legumes, like lentils, beans, edamame, berries, nuts, seeds, extra virgin olive oil.

[B]

Seeds. What kind of seeds do you eat? Oh, chia seeds. Not bird seeds?

[A]

Yeah. And then a lot of berries and avocado.

[B]

Avocado, not avocado.

[A]

Yeah. Do you want to try some extra virgin olive oil?

[B]

Like extra extra or something? That's unusual.

[A]

It has. It's some of the best olive oil in the world. Yes.

[B]

What do you. What happened to it? How did it get that way?

[A]

So you have to grow it a certain way to harvest. Harvest it a certain way. And then you have to measure it to make sure it has things like poly polyphenols and other chemical criteria. This is the thing. When you go to the store, you.

[B]

Buy extra virgin olive oil using my Costco.

[A]

Extra virgin olive oil. Yeah. No idea. You have no clue what you're. What you're eating. It's not.

[B]

It. Yeah.

[A]

It's like if you think you're doing something healthy.

[B]

Right. Where did you get this stuff?

[A]

This batch is from Portugal.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But we get it from both hemispheres, so we get a fresh batch all the time.

[B]

What do you mean? You have both hemispheres?

[A]

Just because seasons change from southern hemispheres.

[B]

So you go back and forth between where you get it.

[A]

So. Australia.

[B]

Am I taking a shot?

[A]

Yeah, it's Friday night.

[B]

Wait, why does it look like a shot, too? It's like a little.

[A]

Yeah, it's called snake oil.

[B]

What do you. Am I going to drink this? Thank you so much.

[A]

If you want. Yeah, just sip it.

[B]

Sip olive oil?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's good for you. You can't drink coke. But sipping olive oil is okay.

[A]

Try it.

[B]

This sounds disgusting.

[A]

Try it.

[B]

You do this?

[A]

Sure.

[B]

You just sip olive oil?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

This is the weirdest thing I've ever done.

[A]

Oh, we're just getting started. Oh.

[B]

Mmm. Ugh.

[A]

Okay, then just do the whole thing then instead of sipping.

[B]

I can't really. It's disgusting.

[A]

Just try the whole thing.

[B]

I don't think I like olive oil anymore. Lexie. Tasteless.

[A]

That is not a legitimate reaction. That's just a first response. Your body.

[B]

It was not. I don't think. I've never in my life just drank oil, though. I will tell you that much.

[A]

Your body loves.

[B]

She hates it. It tastes like what's left over after you have popcorn.

[A]

Okay, step two. Just put it on your food then.

[B]

Okay, I will do that on my really unhealthy food.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So why is this good? How much did you have of this a day?

[A]

I do three tablespoons a day. I put it on everything.

[B]

Why is that good for you? I thought oil was bad for you.

[A]

No. Extra virgin olive oil is. Is. I have more. More of my calories are extra virgin olive oil than any other food I eat.

[B]

That's so random. How did you even figure out that that was good for you?

[A]

We just followed the scientific evidence.

[B]

You don't eat steak.

[A]

I don't.

[B]

You don't miss.

[A]

But I also say for people eating steak. Fine. Like eat steak. I'm. I'm not a judgmental person, but you.

[B]

Just don't want that in your body.

[A]

Yeah, I just say, like, if you're going to do it, just measure your biomarkers. But I.

[B]

How do you measure your biomarkers?

[A]

Do we have grip strength? Okay, we're doing it now.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay, great.

[B]

What do I do?

[A]

I'm going to pull the chart.

[B]

Oh, no. I'm liberating. And you're gonna see that I have, like the body of a 50 year old woman right now.

[A]

Okay. So grip strength.

[B]

I have none. Is that like, literally I need to be able to grip? I don't have.

[A]

Okay, so what you want to do. So it's on.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

You're just gonna put your. Choose your dominant hand.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And put your fingers like. Like this. And then you just want to squeeze as hard as you can. You don't need to hold it.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

It's like you're shaking someone's hand, and you want to squeeze as hard as you can.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And once you hit your peak, you can let go.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay, so just hit this start button.

[B]

Okay. It's supposed to be, like, high. I can do it now.

[A]

Yeah, as hard as you can.

[B]

Oh, my God. Okay.

[A]

What?

[B]

You get 57.

[A]

What is it?

[B]

57?

[A]

Yeah, 57. And you're 27 years old.

[B]

Oh, God, no. Maybe I should do it again. Oh, my God. 53. I'm getting worse.

[A]

Yeah, so let's keep 57. So your category is just above needs improvement. Okay, so there's. There's needs improvement. Fair. Good. Very good, and excellent.

[B]

Oh, my God. It's the worst category. That's not. Maybe I didn't do it right.

[A]

Yeah. Do it again. So, yeah, but then, like, get yourself mentally.

[B]

I'm trying, I'm trying.

[A]

Get yourself in the right mental spot.

[B]

I don't like that. Okay. Oh, it's not going to get any better. It's getting way worse.

[A]

Yeah, it's. You get worn down.

[B]

What are you at?

[A]

I am in over. Excellent. Like, far above excellent.

[B]

You didn't have to do that. You could have. You could have just stopped. That's. That's ridiculous.

[A]

So we have six more tests we could do, and so that's a good one, because grip strength.

[B]

So you see that I, like, have no grip strength. And then what do you do when you realize that I'm at the. I'm. I don't get it, because I feel like I look like a healthy person. I'm not.

[A]

Yeah, that's why measurement is so important.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. So if you do your blood draw, we do fitness tests. Like, we could measure your lungs today.

[B]

How do you do that?

[A]

There's a. Yeah. Do you want to. Do you want to do it?

[B]

Yeah, Somehow they're going to be shit, too, but let's see.

[A]

Nana, do we have a spirometry device there? We. If we have one, I have.

[B]

I would love to.

[A]

This is great. I'm glad you're into it.

[B]

You just blow. It's like a DUI thing.

[A]

Oh, Zara, you here? Oh, yeah. Zara, can you see if it's in the clinic?

[B]

Where's. Where's your Clinic upstairs.

[A]

Do you want to go see it?

[B]

You. Yeah.

[A]

So, yeah.

[B]

You said you have people come to your clinic?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

How many people?

[A]

People come here all the time.

[B]

This is your house. You live here?

[A]

Yes. So you said. I think you said, this is the weirdest thing I've ever done. Like, if I could give you.

[B]

I've definitely said that a few times.

[A]

Today, so I can take you on a tour. So right now we're at beginner stage weird.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And we can go, like, we have like 10 different steps to really weird. You're definitely on beginner weird, but we have so much more room to go.

[B]

I felt like drinking a shot of olive oil juice was pretty weird.

[A]

Do you want to go see it?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Come on, guys. How's like a doctor's office?

[A]

This is Vizia. So it measures eight markers on your face, UV damage, reds, browns. So you look at someone's skin and you have a general approximation on the health. This shows you in detail. It basically gives you. It shows you what's going to happen in your skin as you age. Like how it discolors and how wrinkles are going to come on. So that's a good, Nice, nice quantified way of doing it. We can measure. This is professional hearing grade system. So I have hearing damage in my left ear from music and guns.

[B]

Do you want to talk about the guns?

[A]

So I just shot a lot of guns. Oh, okay.

[B]

I thought you were, like, in war.

[A]

We'd also measure your lungs, your pancreas, your liver, your bladder, your brain, your joints.

[B]

That's a lot of stuff.

[A]

So we just see how everything's doing then. This is a air chiller. So we do a lot of painful things in here. And so we use cold air.

[B]

Painful like what?

[A]

A lot of the skin treatments are pretty painful.

[B]

Like what?

[A]

This, like that device right there is softwave. It uses ultrasound. And so what it does, it goes 2 millimeters below your dermis and it heats up to a point where you're feeling. You feel like you're being hit like the hot iron. But that causes local damage for your collagen and elastin to rebuild. You do that to your face every two months.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So this one we're trying because if you. If you want to get your muscles exercised but you don't want to go to the gym, you just put these things in the body and it runs electrical current through your body and flexes your muscles.

[B]

Oh, is that like the. A thing that simulates pregnancy in men?

[A]

Yes. Similar technology.

[B]

Okay. Have you Done that to yourself?

[A]

I haven't, but actually I was. I've been wanting to do it.

[B]

You should try that.

[A]

I want to do the period. I want to do the period. Cramps one.

[B]

Do it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What that.

[A]

What's your worst injury? That still hurts?

[B]

None.

[A]

Okay. What was the worst?

[B]

Perfect.

[A]

Okay. It will. It will come back and hurt you.

[B]

Why?

[A]

Maybe overache. Is the injury still exists?

[B]

No, it's not. It healed.

[A]

Yeah. You think it has?

[B]

What do you mean?

[A]

Okay, so your ankle.

[B]

No, right here. The bone cracked.

[A]

All right, let me show you.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So this sends focused shock wave into your body.

[B]

What is. It's gonna hurt me?

[A]

What it does is. Yes, it will.

[B]

Okay. Why?

[A]

But what it does is it finds where you've been injured.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So I'm gonna, like. I'll roll it around on the foot and then out. As it finds the place where you were previously injured. It's going to hurt like five to ten times more. But on areas that have not been injured, it's not going to hurt. Fine. Right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, so watch as I move over your injury.

[B]

I just don't feel it.

[A]

Okay, let me go up in power.

[B]

Oh, no. Maybe don't scare. Am I wrong? Am I wrong? Where it is? It was this last one. Ow.

[A]

Yeah, so it's higher power. Okay, so let's do.

[B]

Ow. That hurts really bad right there.

[A]

So the injury is probably there.

[B]

No, it wasn't, though. Injured there.

[A]

Now, I think you've probably underestimated, so let me go back down to energy.

[B]

Okay, so I don't want you to wait. Why?

[A]

Okay. Is that too much?

[B]

It just feels like there's something broken in there now. I think you broke my foot.

[A]

Do you want me to go down?

[B]

No, it's fine. I think. Ow.

[A]

Yeah, let's go down.

[B]

Okay. That hurts.

[A]

That hurts.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Now it's going to hurt more at your injury site.

[B]

Why? I don't think so.

[A]

It will, I promise.

[B]

Let's try.

[A]

So how bad? Okay, so you have a baseline here. Let's go here.

[B]

Ow.

[A]

Worse, right?

[B]

Yeah. Oh, that's so close.

[A]

I know. It's pretty uncomfortable, right?

[B]

Oh, my God. Great. You kidding me? No. There's makeup on it. All right, let's see. And you'll hear three flashes.

[A]

Awesome.

[B]

And the last side. Oh, God.

[A]

So this is going to give you.

[B]

My creases on my eyes looks. You're just letting me walk around like this. Look. Oh, my God.

[A]

Do you think your.

[B]

What's wrong with my face?

[A]

You think your score is gonna be your Skin age will be.

[B]

I feel like it's gonna be, like, accurate. I feel like I look normal for my age.

[A]

You'll be on. You'll say 27.

[B]

Oh, my God. It's gonna f. Ing say I'm 40. I just know it. I think I have, like, good skin quality. I don't know, though. Clearly, I don't. I have acne, but I feel like that's. But I'm going to find out that I don't. Your skin, it's great.

[A]

Thanks.

[B]

Please say 27. Do you think you're older or younger?

[A]

I saw the answer.

[B]

I saw, too.

[A]

You did?

[B]

You saw it?

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I told you guys.

[A]

Good job.

[B]

I'm not doing so bad. Really? Yes. Oh, my gosh. I thought we did the whole thing. No. Oh, no. Okay. Okay. You know, she's a. She's not. So.

[A]

Yeah, you actually score. You actually scored really well.

[B]

You know what?

[A]

Yeah, thanks. You have more wrinkles than maybe you're aware of.

[B]

No, I knew that. Thank you very much.

[A]

Yeah, otherwise. Yeah, you really scored well. There we go. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, my.

[A]

So when you're in the. When you're in the sun, it causes damage. So the sun feels great. It's. It's like. It's nice and it helps.

[B]

So you don't go on the sun ever?

[A]

I really. Only in the morning and evenings. But the sun is not free. You. You have to pay at a price for damage. Yeah, so we have. Yeah, so that's like a quick tour. We have a bunch of other. Oh, you want to feel, like, cold.

[B]

So you have a. Oh, yeah.

[A]

Yeah. So put that on.

[B]

Oh, that's so cold.

[A]

Like, put that on your. Yeah, on your neck. Like, imagine you getting a face treatment.

[B]

I don't think that would do as much as a numbing cream.

[A]

So if you get it really cold. It does.

[B]

Well, thank you, guys.

[A]

Yeah. Thanks for hanging out today.

[B]

Thank you so much for having us. This is great. Life changing. We're going to all be so hot. Lexi's going to be the first one.