In this episode, Kate Webber, Chief Solutions & Technology Officer at the PRI, is joined by Aniket Shah, Managing Director at Jefferies, to examine the core purpose of responsible investing and what it truly means in practice.

Together, they explore whether the industry has lost sight of its original mission, how investors should think about real-world risks and opportunities, and why long-term thinking remains central to delivering value for beneficiaries.

Overview

Responsible investing has evolved significantly over the past two decades, but questions remain around its core purpose. Is it about solving global challenges, or simply about making better investment decisions?

This episode reframes responsible investing as fundamentally about improving returns by incorporating factors often overlooked in traditional analysis, particularly externalities and intangible assets.

The discussion also highlights the importance of grounding investment decisions in the realities of the real economy, rather than abstract frameworks or idealised outcomes.

Detailed coverage

Re-centering the purpose of responsible investing
Aniket argues that responsible investing is, at its core, about enhancing risk-adjusted returns. While impact and broader societal goals matter, the mainstream role of investors is to make better decisions by incorporating a wider set of financially relevant factors.

Externalities and intangibles
The conversation explores how climate change and other externalities are increasingly being priced into markets, alongside intangible factors such as governance and human capital. These elements, while harder to measure, are critical drivers of long-term performance.

The real economy and long-term value
Investors are encouraged to look beyond financial markets and consider how businesses operate in the real world. Understanding how technologies, energy systems and structural shifts evolve over time is key to identifying long-term opportunities.

Avoiding dogma and embracing nuance
A key theme is the need for investors to stay informed, avoid overly simplistic frameworks, and continually reassess their assumptions. Engaging with opposing viewpoints is highlighted as a valuable way to strengthen decision-making.

Rethinking KPIs and performance metrics
Rather than focusing solely on traditional ESG metrics, the episode emphasises the importance of human capital - including employee engagement, retention and culture - as leading indicators of resilience and performance.

The role of investors today
Ultimately, investors’ responsibility is to deliver for their beneficiaries. By incorporating long-term risks and opportunities into their analysis, they can contribute to a more resilient and forward-looking financial system.

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Chapters

00:00 – Introduction and guest overview
01:45 – What is the true purpose of responsible investing?
03:30 – Externalities, intangibles and investment decision-making
06:30 – Real economy shifts and long-term investing
10:45 – How fiduciaries should approach complex risks
15:00 – Avoiding dogma and improving decision-making
18:30 – The value of debate and diverse perspectives
20:45 – Rethinking KPIs: human capital and culture
24:30 – Linking performance to long-term resilience
26:30 – Final reflections: the responsibility of investors

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