Arsenal Top At Christmas, Rogers On A Rampage & Referees Under Fire

Summary

The Rest Is Football — Episode Summary

Podcast: The Rest Is Football
Episode: Arsenal Top At Christmas, Rogers On a Rampage & Referees Under Fire
Date: December 22, 2025
Hosts: Gary Lineker, Alan Shearer, Micah Richards

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Overview

The trio of Gary Lineker, Alan Shearer, and Micah Richards dive into the latest Premier League drama as Arsenal reach the top of the table for Christmas, but with Manchester City and Aston Villa hot on their heels. The panel discuss key matches, star performers like Morgan Rogers, issues with refereeing standards, transfer window intrigue, and the wider state of football including European and Scottish leagues. The conversation blends sharp tactical insights with plenty of laughs and candid opinions.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Arsenal Lead at Christmas – Can They Stay There?

Timestamp: 05:59 – 11:35

• Arsenal's Position:
  Arsenal hit the top spot at Christmas after several strong performances, but the group debates their ability to hold on.
• Historical Nerves:
  Gary references past years when Arsenal led at Christmas but failed to seal the title.
• Man City Chase:
  There’s respect for City, especially given their form and Erling Haaland’s scoring spree.
• Micah’s Analysis:
  “Man City will always outscore Arsenal… It just depends on form at the right time.” (07:45 – Micah Richards)
• Key Factors:
  The health and form of star players like Haaland (City) and Saka (Arsenal) described as make-or-break for each team.
• Alan's Take:
  “Man City…weren’t required to get out of second gear yesterday and they still won at a canter.” (09:00 – Alan Shearer)

2. Star Player Highlights

Timestamp: 10:07 – 11:35, 42:12 – 48:18

• Erling Haaland:
  Praised for relentless scoring, his presence seen as City’s secret weapon.
• Saka & Gyokérrez:
  Saka’s penalty duties questioned after Gyokérrez stepped in, but the group liked his courage:
  “I love that in someone where you’re prepared to put your neck on the line…” (10:41 – Alan Shearer)
• Morgan Rogers (Villa):
  After Villa’s game vs. Man United, Rogers lauded for his development into a clinical and hard-working #10.
  “He’s so good, isn’t he? And he’s so different as well… two unbelievably good finishes.” (43:06 – Micah Richards)

3. Manchester City and Squad Dynamics

Timestamp: 14:54 – 17:42

• Squad Variations:
  Jeremy Doku, Phil Foden, and Shirky commended for unpredictable movement and creative play, breaking earlier patterns.
• Youth Development:
  Brief chatter on young talent breaking through, like Mukasa and Emile Heskey’s sons at City.
• January Transfers:
  The group speculates on possible moves:
  “It’s really interesting whether the big boys will go in deep in January.” (16:42 – Alan Shearer)

4. Refereeing and VAR Controversies

Timestamp: 11:37 – 13:56, 21:02 – 22:03, 27:04 – 28:41

• Quality Concerns:
  Alan: “The standard of refereeing in the Premier League is the worst it’s been for a long time.”
• Impact of VAR:
  “I think it’s made them worse referees…I think it’s clouded their judgment.” (12:45 – Alan Shearer)
• Consistency Pleas:
  Micah: “It’s not…the fact that we’re calling out referees. It’s the fact that we just want consistency.”
  Gary: “We’ll never get that…it’s difficult.”
• Specific Incidents:
  Newcastle–Chelsea penalty shout called “absolutely ridiculous” not to be given.
  Spurs–Liverpool red card branded overharsh, partly due to slow-motion VAR:
  “Everything does in slow motion. It looks…horrendous. They’ve got to get rid of slow motion.” (28:30 – Gary Lineker)

5. Match Breakdowns and Performances

a. Newcastle vs Chelsea

Timestamp: 19:21 – 25:38

• Newcastle's Resurgence:
  “It was a great game of football. I think Newcastle’s performance the best I’ve seen this season.” (19:27 – Alan Shearer)
• Penalty Controversy:
  Panel unanimous that Newcastle should have been awarded a penalty.
• Player Praise:
  Lewis Miley shone at right back, with his defending compared to Paolo Maldini for a single outstanding sequence.
• Rhys James:
  Applauded for his role in midfield and at fullback, and his ability to control play and produce moments of brilliance for Chelsea.

b. Aston Villa vs Manchester United ("Second Half" of Pod)

Timestamp: 42:12 – 51:51

• Morgan Rogers’ Brilliance:
  Two excellent goals; his evolution from a promising player to a major match-winner.
• Villa’s Strength:
  “That’s 12 wins in 13 in the Premier League…They’re right up there keeping pace with Arsenal and Manchester City.” (49:41 – Gary Lineker)
• Man United Improvements:
  Gary notes “a team in progress…definitely moving in the right direction,” especially with young players stepping up in adversity.

c. Other Standouts and Surprises

Timestamps throughout – notably 31:22 – 36:09, 55:19 – 57:44

• Leeds United’s Form:
  Noted for set-piece prowess and strong home atmosphere at Elland Road.
• Calvert-Lewin for England:
  Shearer and Lineker urge caution; Watkins seen as ahead for backup striker role.
• Wolves & Strugglers:
  Panel highlights the impact of confidence and individual mistakes for relegation-battling sides.

6. England Squad Selection Debate for World Cup

Timestamp: 46:15 – 49:08

• Midfield/No.10 “Dilemma”:
  The hosts declare England’s attacking midfield riches (Palmer, Foden, Bellingham, Saka, etc.) are a “lovely problem” for Thomas Tuchel, but one that means talented players will miss out.
• Squad Rotation:
  Consensus is that form, fitness, and Tuchel’s tactical trust in himself will ultimately shape his XI.

7. Scottish Premiership Shake-Up

Timestamp: 55:19 – 57:44

• Hearts’ Title Challenge:
  Hearts now six points clear, with Gary noting this could be the first time in decades someone other than Celtic or Rangers wins the league:
  “Can they do it?...It’d be good for Scottish football if someone other than Celtic or Rangers won the league.”
• Legendary Players:
  Both hosts reminisce about greats like Henrik Larsson and their memories of Scottish football.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Micah (on the title race):
  “Man City will always outscore Arsenal even going into the new year…” (07:45)
• Alan (on VAR’s negative impact):
  “I think it’s made them worse referees. I really do. I think it’s clouded their judgement…” (12:45)
• Gary (on referee consistency):
  “We’ll never get that…because so many subjective decisions, you know, it’s difficult.” (13:48)
• Alan (after Newcastle–Chelsea):
  “If you ever need an example of goals changing games…that piece of brilliance from Rhys James…the free kick changed it completely.” (20:45)
• Micah (on Lewis Miley):
  “If there was a manual on how to defend a winger, that was it. Absolutely perfect.” (22:20)
• Gary (on slow motion VAR):
  “Everything does in slow motion. It looks…horrendous. They’ve got to get rid of slow motion.” (28:30)
• Alan (on Calvert-Lewin):
  “We do know there is a very, very good center forward in there if he can keep a sustained spell of fitness.” (32:18)
• Gary (on Elland Road):
  “I love Elland Road. I love Elland Road more than you love Elland Road.” (33:26)
• Micah (on Morgan Rogers):
  “He’s so good, isn’t he? And why…he’s so different as well. For a number 10…two unbelievably good finishes.” (43:06)
• Gary (on the England squad):
  “What you need in these circumstances is a coach that trusts himself, trusts what he wants, doesn’t listen to the noise…Tuchel…he can’t be swayed…” (48:18)

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Key Timestamps for Reference

• 05:59 — Arsenal’s Christmas lead, City’s form, title race analysis
• 09:00 — Man City’s win, Haaland’s scoring form
• 11:37 — Penalty debates, refereeing concerns
• 14:54 — City’s creative evolution, transfer window talk
• 19:21 — Newcastle vs Chelsea deep-dive
• 22:20 — Lewis Miley’s Maldini moment
• 27:04 — Spurs-Liverpool red card rant
• 31:22 — Liverpool/Leeds/Calvert-Lewin/England debate
• 42:12 — Post-Villa-Man United analysis, Morgan Rogers’ brilliance
• 46:15 — England midfield selection headache
• 49:41 — Villa’s remarkable run, squad depth vs. United
• 55:19 — Hearts’ Scottish title ambitions

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Tone, Chemistry, and Style

The hosts engage in sharp banter, honest critique, and plenty of nostalgia. Their differences — Micah’s exuberance, Alan’s bluntness, Gary’s wry humor — provide “brilliant chemistry” and deep insight, ensuring even routine football topics feel fresh and engaging for listeners.

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For Further Listening

This episode is essential for Premier League fans invested in the title race, transfer rumors, VAR debates, and the evolving face of English and Scottish football. The combination of big stories and personal anecdotes makes it brimming with both expert analysis and trademark laughs.

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[A]

Hello and welcome to the Rest is Football with Micah Richards, Alan Shearer and me, Gary Lineker. It's the last weekend before Christmas. We were going to find out who was top at Christmas and that will be Arsenal. But Manchester City are hot on their heels. You got everything done for Christmas, chaps? I know Mike is probably the only thing you probably focus on are pigs in blankets.

[C]

But there's been a shortage of them in Yorkshire. Micah's nicked them all.

[B]

So my brother last year said, you know, it'd be really nice, we'll go down to Pickering. He go with his girlfriend's family and all their fam. And I totally forgot. I thought I was going to be at home for Christmas. Now I've got to go to Pickering.

[A]

Well, at least no one's going to be in your fridge.

[B]

Yeah, true, true. Actually, I didn't think about that. Think of the positives. But now I've got to go to Pickering on Christmas Eve and come back on Boxing Day and smile for two days like I'm enjoying myself.

[A]

Yeah, miserable, Mike. You've just given yourself away on the pod. So it's just somebody in your family like this.

[B]

Yeah, they'll all be listening, but I don't care.

[A]

You take your own pigs in blankets.

[B]

Oh, yes, I'll be taking a few of those.

[A]

We'll call it piggering. How about you, Al?

[C]

Yeah, I'm all fine. Yeah.

[A]

I'm in Newcastle for Christmas.

[C]

I'm in Newcastle for Christmas yet and I'm not working Boxing day. Just the 27th. So, yeah, I'm all. All good. Looking forward to it.

[A]

It's bloody typical, that is. Is it a Boxing Day? Right. I've done Boxing Day all my adult life, but whether it be as a player, apart from when I was in Barcelona, don't like to mention it. And all my adult life and every season for Match of the Day, never missed it. Never missed it. Boxing Day, Boxing Day, Boxing Day. And I just thought when, when I finished with the babe, I thought, oh, I'll get Boxing Day off. And lo and behold, for the first time in living memory, there's no Match of the Day on Boxing Day. Because there's only one game. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. Newcastle, isn't it? Same. I'm. I don't know what it is. 35, 36 years for me. I'm the same guys as. That's just the first time I've ever had Boxing Day off.

[A]

Yeah, I know.

[B]

Are we not Having a Christmas party this year, guys. I thought the rest is football would be hosting a party, though.

[A]

I think we're gonna do one delayed version, you know, when everyone's after. I think we definitely got to do that.

[C]

Good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Can we do it in London?

[B]

Yes, please.

[A]

We did a little thing recently. We've got a new series coming out, which I hope you'll enjoy, with Premier League superstars. And because normally when we record together, we needed to be all in the same room. So I thought normally you come to my gaff and I cook and you blow and you have to travel and all this. So we thought it'd be a really nice touch if we perhaps did it in a halfway house. So deciding to go to York, so it's not far from Newcastle, not too far from Harrogate, and I got them down on the train and lo and behold, we all got the same train up from London.

[B]

We're all in London.

[A]

Complete waste.

[C]

Honestly, I couldn't believe there.

[A]

I knew you.

[C]

I knew you were coming from London and you knew I was coming from London. And I was standing there thinking, and my phone went off at the same time and I seen a block walk in front of me and I thought, that's.

[B]

That's Micah Richard.

[A]

What the is he doing?

[C]

Why are we filming in New York when all three of us are in London?

[A]

So we all got up at a ridiculously early time to go to London to do something that we could have done. We could have even done it. King's Cross. Hilarious. But. But that aside, as we move towards Christmas, let's talk about the first bite. Deliver by Uber Eats. Manchester City are on the charge and Arsenal seem to be hanging on. Let's kind of merge the two. City are looking way more like their old selves. The high press, the quick press. When they lose the ball. That seems to return. Erling Haaland's in sensational form and I triple captained him Yesterday, Micah. So 91 points I've got. And we're doing this before Villa play Manchester United, but we're going to come back later, Micah, because you're going to party, right?

[C]

Yeah, I'm going out for. For a long lunch.

[A]

Yeah, it's going out for a long lunch, so we're going to leave you to it. Me and Mark are going to come back in the second half and discuss Manchester United and Aston Villa. But, yeah, where. Where do you see it now? I mean, Arsenal are in the lead at Christmas, but I watched much of the day this morning and they had a graphic about where they've kind of given away the lead from Christmas and there's quite a few occasions. Are they made of sterner stuff these days? Micah, which one of your two teams are gonna.

[C]

He loves it.

[B]

We flip flopped, haven't we? All the way through the season. We all said Liverpool after the transfer window. Then it was Arsenal. They was looking really consistent. Then Man City weren't playing particularly well but still getting results because of the form of Erling Haaland. Now I think it's balanced. I think it's going to come to the game that they play each other next year. I think that is going to be the difference. I think when you look at Man City and the way they play in, okay, they got a clean sheet, didn't they against West Ham and against Brentford and against Palace. But before that there was leaking goals. I still think the vulnerable at the back under a counter attack. I think Arsenal are better defensively and Man City better offensively. Yeah, I don't. I think Man City will always outscore Arsenal even going into the new year. So it just depends on form at the right time. I think if Man City were to lose Haaland, it'd be for Arsenal. I also think if Arsenal were to lose Saka, it'd be for Man City and that's how tight I think it is. And that's not me on the fence. I genuinely believe we've got a real title challenge this season.

[C]

I did PLP yesterday, which I'm sure we'll talk about the first game, Newcastle, Chelsea, after. But I also watched Man City. I mean they did. They never got out of second gear yesterday. Man City, West Ham were that bad. West Ham were terrible. I mean, talk about gifting them goals. And you'd imagine the manager in the dressing room, right, we've gone to Man City, let's keep it tight for five or 10 minutes and it was like there was no pressure on the ball. They weren't getting close to anyone. Harland missed a big chance and followed up the rebound and got it. Missed a couple of big chances as well. And honestly, Man City is as good as they are. They weren't required to get out of second gear yesterday and they still won at Canter. They're in great form, they're full of confidence and you've mentioned him up front with the form that he's in. Harland, I heard, was it 38 goals or something this, this season he's got in for club and country.

[B]

Is that what it is?

[A]

It's just mad. 19 Premier League goals scored a bucket load for Norway. Didn't. In some of their games, their qualification games. I mean, it's incredible what he's doing.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, he could ultimately be the difference between the two sides. I mean, Gyokerez has come in. I look at him and I. I mean, he's, you know, I don't want to be rude, but he's not in the same league as. As Erling Haaland. He was given the penalty yesterday, wasn't it, to scoring after his recent injury.

[C]

I like that, though. I like that he had the balls to get up and take it.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, I like that he took it and it was a decent penalty he scored, obviously. But I didn't like the fact that Saka didn't take it because that was the only bad thing in my fantasy team.

[C]

No. Yeah. I was pleased for him because it would have been very easy for him to say, no, no, you take it, Saka or whoever. But I love that in someone where you're prepared to put your neck on the line, basically, because you haven't scored for a while, there's people talking, there's a bit of noise going on and boys, no, give me the penalty. And I thought the way he stuck it away was brilliant. I thought Arsenal played well yesterday.

[A]

I thought they were solid. Very solid.

[C]

Yeah. I thought the controlled appear to the game, the way they passed it around, particularly in defensive areas and trying to draw Arsenal out. The decision. Penalty decision might have went against him in another game.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But I think in the main, I thought Arsenal to go there and win like they did, that was a really good performance. And yeah, it's. It's going to be great for the neutrals to. To. To watch them go head to head in the. In the coming games.

[B]

Do you think it was a penalty, guys?

[A]

I think it's one of those that. I don't think they should ever be given as penalties, but they always are. You know, when two players go to kick a ball that's in the air, I think if one gets there slightly early, the other touches the back of his leg, then I don't think that should be a penalty. But we all know that nine times out of 10, that is given as a penalty. So therefore it probably was a penalty. On the current. Under the current guidelines.

[B]

What are the guidelines? I don't know. I don't understand the guideline.

[A]

I mean, they've got so many guidelines for everything. That's what they've driven. They've tied themselves up in knots with these things.

[C]

But they've also given themselves plenty of excuses to get out of them because there's that many. There's that many guidelines.

[A]

Yeah, they had a bad day yesterday. I felt really bad.

[C]

We'll get. We'll get on to the Newcastle one.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

The standard of refereeing in the Premier League is the worst it's been for a long, long time. I really. It's a real concern, I think, because we've probably got, I don't know, four or five decent referees, two or three really good ones, but the rest of them, goodness me.

[A]

Is it a problem of the referees on the pitch or is it a question of various. Is that the problem?

[C]

I don't think it's helped them. I think it's made them worse referees. I really do. I think it's clouded their judgment. They've got a backup. They're not decisive at all. Yeah, it's a big concern because the best league in the world should have the best referees. And we haven't, not by some distance.

[A]

Let me tell you this, by the way. Every league in the world says the same thing. Because we don't see their referees week in, week out. What we do see sometimes is in international football, but don't forget, that will be the best referee from. Or a couple of referees from each country. So I think we can. I think every country moans about Var. They really do. They hate it generally. The football fans hate it. And they all hate their own referees. I mean, it is an incredibly difficult job, refereeing.

[C]

No, I'm not saying that. I totally agree with that. It's. And it's a. It's a really, really, really difficult job. Yeah, but the standard we've got in the Premier League is poor.

[B]

I agree with Al. It's not. It's not the fact that we're calling out referees. It's the fact that we just want consistency. That's it.

[A]

We'll never get that. I think. I mean, I don't think you can ever get consistency because so many subjective decisions, you know, it's difficult.

[C]

We haven't. We haven't even got on to the Newcastle decision yet, by the way. And we're having the rest of these.

[A]

We will. We'll come. We'll. We'll come to that. We're just talking about the, you know, the top two things. Two horse race already, or can Villa Villa can nibble away at it?

[C]

I don't see. I mean, Villa Villa have been amazing. I know we're talking before their. Their result against Manchester United But I expect them to beat Man United today but I don't expect them to carry on this great form. They've been amazing. He's doing a great job as we've said but yeah I don't see them challenging for the title.

[A]

No I think we're looking at Arsenal, Manchester City. I think Liverpool probably too far back Chelsea 2 now on 29 points that's 10 points off the both Arsenal and Manchester City were eight points clear of both those to to make up but what were the great strengths yesterday for City? Micah, did you feel.

[B]

I feel Shirky's playing really well.

[A]

I like him. He's so gifted isn't he the most two footed player. Have you seen the stats on his. On how much he right and left footed are quite remarkable. I think it's like almost 50. I think it's 52, 48 something like percentage on either foot which is well very Brexit isn't so and. And the next best is semenya something like 65 on one foot and 35% on the other so he does is one of those few players a bit like Usman Dembele that I think when you ask him he's not quite sure whether he's right footed or left footed and Santi Catholic is another one that.

[B]

Harry's just shouting Santi Catholic. Yes. I think though guys just, just on that the criticism of Man City was that was becoming too predictable. If you get one in front of Haaland, one behind him, go aggressive. They didn't really have the legs as previous seasons. Now when you've got Foden and Shirky sort of in the tents you don't know what they're going to do and they're both equally as good as finding that little bit of space and then making cute passes along with whether it's Matthias Nunes going down hogging one side or Nico or Riley. I just feel like more players are playing to their level which wasn't the case earlier on in the season. So that's why I think they'll go all the way to the end.

[C]

Be really interesting to see what if anything or both clubs do anything in a transfer window.

[A]

January doesn't happen too often but it. Well they did last year though City didn't they? A bit of a panic buying and stuff but it will be interesting.

[C]

Got this get out clause hasn't he?

[A]

Yeah he's been linked with Liverpool with EAC's injury maybe they'll. I mean I hope that hopefully it's.

[C]

Not too serious Would anyone do anything with G as well? Mark Ge from Palace? I don't know. It's like. It's really interesting whether. Whether the big boys will go. It'll go in deep in January.

[A]

Yeah, we'll see. Can I just congratulate you there, Micah, because during your little bit of analysis there, you said getting in a little bit of space. You didn't say pocket of space. I just. I. I just want to thank you for that on behalf. On behalf of old timers.

[B]

The next one is the. Actually, the correct terminology is half space. That's. That's what they're saying now. That's in the manual.

[A]

Space. Don't do this to me, Micah.

[B]

Okay, Imagine the space there, and you get in the middle here. It's the half spaces now. And instead of pressing and going to press, the new terminal is you jump. I'm just keeping you updated.

[A]

I've heard the jump. Yeah.

[C]

Jump together.

[A]

But they don't jump, they run. It's a nonsense. Oh, dear. Crikey. So I think City are. I mean, much closer to. To where they were. I still think they might be vulnerable, possibly on the counter. Possibly Rodri's return is to come as well. Which big boo? He's been out a long time now. Worry a bit. I worry about. He's okay. Such a good player. It's such a shame. Yeah. Such a shame.

[B]

Yeah. And it was nice to see Mukasa get his first Premier League appearance as well.

[A]

Yeah. He played him midweek, didn't he? Played to be midweek, yeah.

[C]

Do you know much about him?

[B]

I've seen him play at youth. It's always difficult, isn't it? Because certain players play up front, play in midfield, look technically good, looks strong, looks quick. But I want to see him in adult football and the. For Pep to be giving him a chance in the Premier League game, he must see something. So just happy he got a chance, really.

[A]

I'll go on a tangent here, but have you seen Emil Heske's boys play yet?

[B]

Oh, yes, yes.

[C]

Heard about it. Yeah.

[A]

I mean, yeah, he's got two at City, hasn't he?

[B]

Yes, he's got. He's got two at sea.

[A]

Yeah. Brilliant.

[B]

They're actually both really good. They both play for England as well.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, that's right. One's a bit stronger and. And faster. I was a little bit more technical, but high hopes for them at Man City. Like, really high.

[A]

Okay, chaps, that was the first bite delivered by Uber Eats. Let's move on to. Well, I know you Want a little bit of a rant? I. I could tell at the top.

[B]

Alan.

[A]

Newcastle Chess I have to say that was a very, very good game of football.

[C]

It was brilliant. Yeah. It was a great game of football. It really was. I think Newcastle' performance as the best I've seen this season from Newcastle. I thought everything that was missing against Sundland. The aggression, the energy, the pace.

[A]

The b. Well from that result, haven't they. Because they had the good win in midweek. Obviously you're in the semifinals now. The Carrot Bow Cup. Defending your trophy. Y. Allan and. And. And. Well, I think they probably should have won that game yesterday. Particularly the way they played in the first half.

[C]

I thought they had enough chances. I mean even. Even when there were. I mean they absolutely battered Chelsea in the first half. I mean Chelsea looked as if they didn' hit them. They were all over them. They didn't let them play. As I said, the pressing was brilliant. And that hasn't always been the case at all. This season for Newcastle. They were brilliant. First half deserved their 2 nil lead. But if you ever need an example of goals changing games. And that piece of brilliance from Rhys James. The free kick changed it completely. And then all of a sudden Chelsea are on the front foot. And then they're putting Newcastle under pressure. I mean Malik Chao made a. Made a mistake. And he hasn't made too many if any at all since he's been to Newcastle. When the ball was long coming into Xiao Pedro and he let him. I mean the skill from Pedro was brilliant. And then he slipped afterwards as well. So they get back to two all. But Newcastle still had some big chances. I think Harvey Barnes had a couple of really good chances. And then Elanga broke in the last minute or two and should have squared it instead of shooting. But also the. I mean the penalty decision that they never got is absolutely ridiculous. Honestly.

[A]

It was a penalty. It was. I mean he just rammed him straight off, didn't he?

[C]

Yeah. Even the tweet the Premier League put out. And I know it's what Var telling them, but to say he was shielding the ball. Rubbish. Shielding the ball. He. It was like as clear foul as you're ever going to see. I'd love to know. You've got three professionals. You've got the referee on the pitch and you've got two Var are looking at that, slowing it down and thinking yeah, that's all right. Wasn't a foul. Yeah.

[A]

It's not an offense to shield the ball either.

[C]

No, it's not. That's It's. You can shield the ball. Yeah, but you. The way he fouled him. Yeah.

[A]

What do you think, Micah?

[B]

Yeah. Totally agree with what Alan said. I thought it was a pen.

[C]

Having said that, if you remember a couple of weeks back I said I didn't think the penalty that Newcastle got against spurs was a penalty. So maybe got one there and. And didn't get one yesterday. But I'd love to know what those three is thinking. The two var. The var. And the VR assistant and the referee to think, think, nah, that's not a penalty. Honestly, it's baffling.

[B]

There were some great performances. Like Louis Smiley.

[C]

Yeah, he was great, wasn't he at right back?

[B]

He played right back. He played right back against Ganacho. One of the trickiest.

[A]

You know what it shows you, Micah? It shows you how easy it is.

[B]

Defending was amazing. You see the way he was jockey and it was just one incident. I was thinking Ganacho's gonna run him here. But I want you to look at his footwork. The way he. He was just biding his time, buying his time. And when he knocked it got his body. And I was like if there was a. A manual on how to defend a winger, that was it. It was absolutely perfect. I think he's a midfielder. He's timing of his runs when he went forward on the ball. Because he's a midfielder, he's comfortable. Yeah. I looked at his performance and thought wow, what. What a play. And I think he's had good performances in midfield. But I never said to myself that was. He's going to be the next Steven Gerrard. But that performance there at 19. He's 19 I think alright.

[C]

Think so.

[B]

Yeah. 19 years of age. That was an amazing performance.

[A]

He's got a funny slight running style. Chris Waddlish in a way. I would suggest if he's off as good as Chris, he'll be out of a player. But yeah, I think Joe Cole likened. I mean I'm not one for hyperbole, but I think might be going slightly but to Paolo Maldini. No, no, no, no.

[B]

Yes. So he did. He did listen to the commentary. Yeah. But he was talking about that one specific incident when he was defending because if you listen to the commentary he went Maldini. And nobody was on with Ali McCoist and Fletch as well. And they didn't say anything for about 30 seconds. He was absolutely brilliant boy. But I knew exactly what he meant.

[C]

What a way to bounce back as well. By the way, for big Nick Valtomada. After scoring the own goal last weekend.

[A]

Yeah, two goals I thought other than.

[C]

These two goals, I thought he had a lot more energy in the pressing yesterday, particularly first off, not so much. Second half when he, When Visser came on and he went off. But the first half I thought what a way to bounce back for him because you can imagine how he's been feeling all week and of course didn't play or didn't start in the, in the Carabao as well against Fulham in midweek. So you can imagine and how he's been feeling all week after what happened last weekend.

[A]

Did you see the. The little bit that he came and did an interview with Peter Crouch after? Because he used to get.

[C]

I didn't see it.

[A]

He said he was called Crouchy so he wanted to come over and meet Grouchy because they're kind of almost similar how he's about inch shorter than.

[B]

I think it was madder. Did you see Joe Cole as well?

[A]

A bit of a height difference there. You would have put Joe Cole on those two at corners, would you?

[B]

You.

[A]

Yeah. Fantastic stuff. Rhys James, you mentioned him. Alan said, you know, free kick and stuff. But I mean, what a footballer he is, by the way.

[C]

Yeah, well, he started off in, at. In the midfield and then he sort of changed it and then went back to in the fullback position. But yeah, he's, he's. He's so talented. He. He's. He's a superb footballer. He really. He just needs to steer clear of injuries, doesn't he, and have a long run in the team.

[A]

Incredible tackle on Harvey Barnes near the end.

[C]

It was. Yeah.

[A]

I mean, he got. Came back from nowhere.

[C]

He could have pulled back, I think for the pull on Harvey Barnes, couldn't he, when he, when he pulled him back. I mean, it was him that got Chelsea back into it with that piece of brilliance with a free kick. It was great.

[B]

I just think it's amazing how you can have a player who can play central midfield and right back and control the game from there. So we saw it with Trent, didn't we, in previous seasons? But Rhys James is doing the same thing and in big moments he's coming up. Trump's what a player he is. Totally, totally agree with Al. If he could just stay fit. He's got a unbelievable player on our hands there.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. We just seem to be kind of managing him quite well, managing his minutes. I think Maresk has talked about that. Which could. Could bode well for England in the summer. What a choice of right backs. Quite incredible. Spurs Liverpool. I mean, it was a strange old game, always changed by a red card. I'm gonna have a little bit of a ramp myself here. I know in slow motion you can pick it apart. He stud caught the back of his calf, but the fella's just trying to put his foot on the ground. He's absolutely zero intent. I mean, yes, Verge might have got hurt. That happens in football. Happens all the time. Doesn't mean say it's a vicious foul. I just can't stand red cards for things like that. It was nothing. It's another one of those that looks in slow motion, you go, oh, blimey's raped down the back of his calf in normal speed. It wasn't like, it's not like that at all. It's not like that at all. And I know they all thought it was a red card and you two, two may think it's a red card and I understand now when they look at things, they might go on, they break it down so slowly. But when you sit in normal speed, it's just, his foot's landing, he just flicks him. It's nothing. It's absolutely nothing. I can't, I just hate that, hate the red cards for that.

[C]

It was totally accidental, I think. Totally accidental. Yeah.

[A]

Yellow card would have sufficed.

[B]

What's the rule on that, though? What's it, what, because you're good at this, Alan, Is it, What was the actual ruling on that? Is it just dangerous is what he got sent off.

[C]

Yeah. It's just endangering an opponent whether, I mean, it wasn't, there's, there's no, there's nothing that says in there, oh, I didn't mean to do it. And it's accidental. It's just, you're just in danger on an opponent. So, yeah, it's, it's a, it's a red card.

[A]

There was nothing reckless about. He's just trying his best.

[C]

Reckless means a yellow card.

[A]

Yeah, I know. Well, it wasn't even reckless, you know, I mean, endangering opponent isn't. He wasn't in danger anyway. He's just trying to put his foot on the floor. I just, honestly. So I just fight.

[B]

No, I, I, I'm sort of in the middle on it. I, I know exactly what you mean, guys. Where, I've done it myself, where you go to press. Yeah. And you sort of want to change speed, don't you?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So then your foot's gone or you're trying to slow down and you just catch someone. He didn't intentionally go down his Achilles. So if the referee would have been given a yellow card, totally fine with it. When you start slowing things down, when you start, it looks, it looks horrendous.

[A]

Everything does in slow motion. It looks, it looks, it's. They've got to get rid of slow motion.

[B]

Yeah, but if you look at it from the referee's point of view.

[A]

No, I understand why they've done it.

[C]

I understand.

[A]

I'm just saying that it's. It's another one of these ridiculous things this super slow mo. Super slow mos make. It's like when you get on, you know, you get on social media and stuff and someone takes a, like a still photo of someone's foot up. You can make anything look bad with one of those. They should never ever be taken into account. And likewise with super slow mos, they're equally the same. It just makes everything look bad.

[C]

You guys wouldn't have seen it, but because I was watching all of the games, watched a bit of. I was doing plp. We watched Brighton Sunderland as well. Dan Ballard, and I'm not just saying it because it's Sunland, because he has. He's been one of the players of the season, Dan Ballard, he's been amazed and. But he got away with one yesterday that he went actually over the top. He had a poor touch and then went over the top and that should have been a red card as well. But he got, he got away with a yellow card. It was far worse than the one that Siemens Javi Simmons did.

[A]

Ekatik got another goal. Was it was that double handed push there or. I mean, I don't think it's enough to overturn personally. But again, I'll go back to the appeal system. You. You probably go there. They might have got it on that particular circumstance where you just go. It's either a foul or it's not. Bloody good. Header climbed really well.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think obviously EC's goal took it really well and then got injured in the process. He's not having much luck. Since he's. He's joined.

[C]

Has there been any update on that injury? Has anyone you heard anything?

[A]

No, no, no. We just, just before, we tried to check just before the start of recording this, but we couldn't get any update. It didn't look good though.

[C]

No, unfortunately, no, it was a brilliant finish.

[A]

It was. So it's a bit of a shame for him, but. But Ekatike's really look. I mean, he really does look the part.

[C]

I just. Yeah, I just think the way he settled into life at Liverpool under difficult circumstances, great credit to him, I think for his mentality, his attitude and obviously his ability. I think he's had a great start to his Liverpool career. He's a really, really good player.

[B]

I wanted to see him both play together at some stage. You know when I think they've done it before.

[A]

They did it in Europe, didn't they?

[C]

They.

[B]

Yeah, I just, I just feel, yeah.

[C]

They did it at Milan.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And he just thinking, I want these two to, to play together the time to see it. Especially with spurs having 10 men at the time, it's like, okay, come on, show us what you got. Show us your movement. Show us your, your chemistry or try to build that chemistry. And then Isaac goes off of the. And it's just like and, and forget the injury for Ektk. It's good now because he's gonna get probably a run in the team team. But I wanted to see him both together get that partnership, especially with Salah gone to AFCO as well.

[C]

Good win for Liverpool Law.

[A]

Important win. I mean obviously got lucky with the decisions in, in that game, but nevertheless it was a good victory. Leads, leads, leads. Micah, four set pieces, weren't they?

[C]

Corners. I didn't see that happening before the game. Them going against palace and scoring four. Brilliant.

[A]

Palace again playing in midweek. It might be catching up on them.

[C]

But they changed. They changed their complete 11 guys.

[A]

Yeah, they did. They did. Yeah.

[C]

So yeah, that was an unbelievable win for Leeds. And am I right in seeing the six points clear of. Of the bottom three?

[B]

I'll have a look. I'll have a look. I should know this. Yes, they are, Alan.

[C]

Yeah, brilliant. What a win for them. What a win. Amazing. But talk about Calvert Lewin now as well. I heard it on the radio this morning and there were little bits on match of the Day last evening said about Calvert, Lewand and England. What do you think? It's a bit early, isn't it? He's got to do it on a more regular basis.

[A]

Yeah, of course he has. I mean it's his first good spell for quite some time after a lot of. Lot of injuries which has taken its toll. We do know there is a very, very good center forward in there if he can be keep a sustained spell of fitness.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I think at the moment he should be focusing on carrying on doing what he's doing at present. Present. I mean England will need a backup nine, but I think Ollie Watkins is way ahead of him at present.

[B]

I would say forget England for A minute though. Come on, guys. Leaves, leaves, leads.

[C]

Look at him with a big smile on his face. Look at him.

[A]

They're going well, Mike. A particular home I think was three straight games. Have scored three goals. Now there's something. It's pretty good.

[B]

You guys. You guys have played at Ella Road, right?

[C]

Yep.

[A]

Yeah, way back.

[B]

Did you play against Leeds when they was a very good side or what part was when Micah.

[A]

They. They won the league in my last season. That's how good aside they were.

[B]

Ellen Road, when it's like that. I mentioned Sunderland atmosphere in the. In the derby. We mentioned Liverpool before, even spurs when that opened. The atmosphere was great there. Obviously it's turned a little bit now because of the performances, but Ellen Road has got to be up there.

[C]

I love Ellen Road. I love Ellen Road more than you love Ellen Road.

[A]

We know why.

[C]

Alan.

[A]

This is happy hunting ground, wasn't it?

[C]

Yes, it was. Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

The fans. The fans are bonkers, you know that? You know you can't buy a. You can't buy a ticket there. A season ticket. Old been years. You have to wait years to even get a ticket.

[C]

Even you can't get one.

[B]

Well, I mean. I mean, Mike.

[A]

Mike can definitely get one.

[B]

Well, no, to be honest, I don't think I could get one now. Actually be the only reason why I could get them before Manuchi, who was on the board at Fiorentina then went to Leeds. So he used to always invite me, but I've not got a link now, so.

[A]

Oh, well, I'm sure they'll listen to this podcast and invite you, invite you along. Sit in the director's box. Micah. John, go away now. Producer John. Two points at Christmas. I mean, two points at Christmas and a partridge. Well, 11 partridges the way they're playing, to be honest, but.

[C]

Oh, goodness me, it's bad, isn't it?

[B]

Can I just say something about wolves, though? They're not as. Well, no, they are as bad. They're not as bad as.

[C]

Hang on, start that again.

[A]

They're not as bad and they are as bad.

[B]

Okay, you know what? Right?

[A]

So it's not funny for Wolves fans.

[B]

Every. Every single. Every single week you look at the scores, don't you? Whatever app you use and all that sort of stuff. I just think another loss for Wolves. But many times when I've watched Wolves, they've been in games, they've been in games and then it's either a mistake at the back or someone not being able to score up front. I know Alan's gonna Say you gotta put the ball in the net. Yes, I know that. But the course of the game. The eye test. The eye test, not as bad. I think now the confident has drained out of them so much. I listen to Doggers interview after the game.

[C]

You've just done a deal with Spec Savers, haven't you? No wonder you. No wonder you've done a deal with Spec Savers. The eye test tells you they're just not very good. That's what it tells you.

[B]

But the look deflated Doherty's interview yesterday on Match of the Day. He's basically just saying he's got to look himself in the mirror. Not just him, the rest of his teammates and. And stand up and be counting for. And at the moment it's.

[C]

It's just not there after last weekend. Because they put up a good fight against Arsenal. Wasn't it last week?

[B]

Correct. Correct.

[C]

I was expecting more of them yesterday, I must admit. But again it was. Defensively they're all over the place for the goals. And of course they miss a penalty as well. Strand Larson misses the. The penalty. It's like goodness.

[B]

Yeah. But Al, you can't tell me that Hwang's a bad player. He's. He's a very good player. He got injured coming. Larson. You tried to sign Newcastle for 50 million. He's not a bad player. Andrea. Midfield with Gomez. They're not bad players. We watched Gomez in a friendly a couple of seasons. Remember we went to go to Wembley to play Brazil and he was playing in midfield. We was all who is this player? Really, really top player. It's confidence.

[C]

That's.

[B]

It's not right at the moment.

[A]

No, it's certainly not. But if you think things are bad, John, have a look at my mark. Mob Lester losing 4:1 to QPR yesterday. It doesn't get much worse than that. Especially when you've got one or two QPR mates. But. Okay, Alan. Enjoy your long lunch.

[C]

Thank you.

[A]

Micro. Myself, we're gonna watch United take on Villa.

[B]

Before you go guys, are you not gonna mention the. The point for Burnley? Your business partner, Tony.

[A]

Well, yes, true. It's a very good point. Very good point in two points. Make a point and get a point. So yes, sorry Tony, forgive me, I'd forgotten but a last ditch equalizer. Well done.

[C]

Good finish from Semenya before that as well though, isn't it? We mentioned him. We mentioned him earlier about whether he'll be off in. In January. But.

[A]

Yeah, I brought him into my team. Yeah, look.

[B]

Look him. I brought him into A team. You didn't care at the start. Look, you're hooked now. Are you?

[A]

I' well, I'm going quite well. Not as well as numpty. He's 2000th in the world now, so he's. He's quite chirpy at the moment.

[C]

Harry. Well done.

[A]

In fact, our rest is football team is doing quite well as well. About 16,000th in the world and pretty high actually. In the rest is football league itself.

[C]

Do we know how many are in the world and doing it. Do we know how many in the world?

[A]

About 12 million.

[C]

Really?

[A]

12, 13 million. Wow.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

So to be in the top few thousand squad, it's quite, it's not bad. We're doing, we're all doing well this end. I mean, I mean obviously I'm helping him a lot. Or is it the other way around? All right.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah, good stuff. All right, we'll be back after the Villa game. Micah and Alan, Cheers. Thanks.

[C]

For me.

[A]

Have a couple on us.

[C]

I'll have a couple on you boys and yeah, everyone else. Yeah, absolutely.

[B]

They've just. Joy.

[C]

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Welcome back to the Rest Is Football with, well, just Micah and me, Gary now, we just watched the. Well, only one game played today in the Premier League and that was. I actually really enjoyed it. Villa against Manchester United. I thought Manchester United played really well. Probably deserved something out the game. But the difference was one man. Micah, friend of the pod.

[B]

He's so good, isn't he? And why we've, we've talked about him is because he's so different as well. For a number 10, when he presses, he's pressing over 2. But more often than not he finds himself on the left and then finds wherever the space is on the pitch. It's but once he gets into those situations and you need that burst of pace. So Foden's got that on a half turn turn really good. You've got someone like Bellingham when he plays in that number 10, he sort of does that chop and awareness and might find a cute pass. Cole Palmer will shoot and has the past and could Dribble, it's, it's, it's madness. But Morgan Rogers, to do what he's doing, because when we had him on the pod, I think one of the questions you asked to him was, was more about the numbers, you know, the goals and assists.

[A]

I think it was you, actually, Michael.

[B]

Oh, was it, was it, was it me?

[A]

I think it was you that said that. And he said, that's something I really want to work on. Well, he certainly worked on it very well, I would say. Two unbelievably good finishes.

[B]

You know what it opened up though, Gaz. You're a forward player. You knew exactly where both of them were going, didn't you, as soon as he opened up.

[A]

Because it was him as well.

[B]

Yeah, just a technique used. You know, a lot of players when they get in that position might blast it or try go near post, but the way he just bend into the far corner, it's just remarkable. And his form recently has been brilliant and he works ever so hard as well. I just thought it was a, a great game of football. However, I don't think Villa were at their best like you mentioned at the start. And I actually think that's down to Man United's tactics. If you look at Dallow and Dogu, they was a lot higher, but then in the midfield, normally when my united play with 2 tens, they just stay in that number 2 tens position and don't really get involved. So it was almost Agate was staying, then Fernandez was coming, and then Mount and Kunya and then if you look at Dallow's position at times when he was trying to get the ball back, he was, his positioning was so good in terms of he was doing half and half, so stopping it, going wide, but then inside as well. Sort of couldn't get dominated. I mean, feel that's one of the best performances I've seen Man United play because it's very hard to play in that system when it seems as though you've got an overload everywhere. But no one wants to take a responsibility for where they need to be on the pitch. But I thought Man United smothered them in, in midfield and Villa just couldn't, couldn't get near him. However, on the counter attack, they look very dangerous.

[A]

Yeah, they really do. I would say, say I can see improvement in Manchester United this season. I think reasons for optimism, obviously there's been a lot of pessimism about Manchester United for a long time, but I genuinely see a team that is progress and it's slow progress, but I Think definitely moving in the right direction. I thought, you know Kunya is. He's a really good footballer. I mean he should have scored the header though. These flicky headers. I just, just had it back where it came from. But he'll know that, you know, having said that did finish his goal really, really well. Yeah, I think they're getting the balance better especially when you consider the quite a lot of injuries and, and at the back I thought young Aiden Heaven did really well. A mature performance. There's a lot of pressure on that because you're the middleman out of the three as well. So I thought he did exceptionally well and, and they are a threat going forward and if it, you know. But they couldn't obviously deal with Morgan Rogers who. I mean taking that debate a little bit further. I mean, I mean it's a lovely problem for Thomas Tuchel to have but I mean you mentioned a few of the names.

[B]

I don't, I don't know if it is a good problem. I know we disagree on this issue, don't we? It's, it's just because you can't get them all in. I don't know. We've, we've talked about the debate with Lampard, Gerard and Skulls and tweaking the formation but they're all the best in the, in the center of the. The pitch. If you're looking at the left you've got Gordon and the form of Rashford this season on the right hand side. You know full well Tuku loves Madwake and Saka, how consistent he is.

[A]

So Palmer can play there as well.

[B]

I know but Palmer in the number 10 though, it's just a delight.

[A]

You can't play them all but you know, I think, I think the problem is that he'll have is. Is obviously everyone tends to talk about the player that's not in the side, the ones that they leave out and there'll be a lot of those. But this is a big long World Cup. There's an extra round of matches in this World cup one more than there's ever been before so you'll need that in the squad. I think he'll probably rotate a little bit in certain areas but it depends how he wants to play. If he wants to play now does play one holder and two eight or, or does he go two holders and one ten and three up top. I mean there's so many variations that he can do. But what you need in these circumstances is a coach that trusts himself, trusts what he wants, doesn't listen to the noise gets on with it. And I think in Thomas Tuchel, one thing we've seen already is that. That he can't be swayed by, you know, necessarily public opinion. Because I can tell you now, if you got even pundits, let alone just ordinary football fans, even those of us that have played the game, I would say everyone would have a different team, everyone would play in a slightly different way. So he's going to have to be strong on that and I suspect he will be.

[B]

Well, yeah. And that's why England brought him in in the first place, to make big calls, big decisions. Just going back to Rogers. I didn't answer your question. I think he's. He's one of the best at pressing and that could be valuable, especially if you play against the South American teams who are very energetic. But he's so difficult. Foden. He's used to pressing at Man City, but we've not seen the best. Best Phil Foden for. For England. But like you said, it'll make the right decision. I think whatever team he picks, we're going to be disappointed that one player is not on there. But that's why he's a manager. It's one of the hardest jobs in football, but he's done a brilliant job so far.

[A]

Well, the good news is that FIFA have just announced that they're going to make it 15 aside at this work. So actually, nothing would surprise me with. With FIFA. But. But yeah, I think it's. Yeah, I think it's massively encouraging. And you know what it's like. There'll be one or two injuries, one or two players will dip in form towards the World Cup. Those sort of things will probably make his mind up as well. But Aston villa, Micah, that's 12 wins in 13, I believe, in the Premier League. They're right up there keeping pace with Arsenal and Manchester City.

[B]

And they started badly, didn't they? You know, we was talking about them and I think Watkins has only scored three goals in the. But. But they're sharing it out. I have to give a shout out to my old teammate, though, John McGinn.

[A]

Oh, he's such a good player.

[B]

His energy for the team. He always tries to look forward when he's passing. It doesn't take the easy way out. He always runs back. I know they had to take him off in the end because he'd run out of steam, but the. The energy and the consistency of him week and week out for Villa, even if he's not having a great game, he's just so dependent. That's probably why he made him captain, didn't he? But just watching him and seeing the improvement from when I was there and the real leadership he's got now because in the dressing room he's quite a quiet, timid, shy lad. But to see him go from that is he really. He's got banter. But when he. Don't forget he come from Scotland. And there was a few, let's say, eyebrows roused when he. When he. When he first come into the dressing room.

[A]

Eyebrows roused.

[B]

A few raised eyebrows. A few. A few raised eyebrows, yeah. When he come into the squad or he bought him. I think it's like five mil or something. Something around that. And the boys was having a bit of not banter in the dressing room. Or is he going to be to. Able to. To hack it over in England? And he's just gone from strength to strength.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he's such a lovely lad. He's so humble, works so hard. So to see him playing like that week in, week out is great.

[A]

With a World cup to look forward to at the end of the season as well. Can Villa sustain it? They've got a good squad. You know, when you consider watching that game, the substitutes that came on, you look at the difference between. Between villas. With all due respect, I know that Manchester United have got a number of injuries and it's worth saying that, but you know, Manchester United are bringing on really, really young players and Villa are bringing on kind of tried and trusted, mostly internationals.

[B]

Yeah, they've got a good squad. But I feel as though when they brought him, Wendy and Marlon, the different sort of players. So Wendy is a technician, can get a goal from anywhere. Maran's a runner. I feel as though the miss someone to hold up the ball and to go to the next level. Because if you look at the game, why we say Man United play so well, when the ball went up, if you look at, I would like to say a start between first and second balls. Because when it went up there, it kept coming back, coming back and coming back. If they want to really challenge, I think they'll need some more help up there in terms of a target man, I'm not talking about forward players. I've got all them. They've got the runners, they've got Guessan, got Wend, got McIn, got Rogers, they've got all that. I just someone who can hold it up when Watkins is not at his best.

[A]

Yeah, I think that's a good point. As for Manchester United have you got an explanation for me about Kobby Maino?

[C]

Well.

[B]

I listened to all the interviews beforehand and he said he had a calf injury. That's why he wasn't in the squad.

[A]

He wasn't in the squad today. But just generally, obviously there's this, his brother wearing the T shirt and I saw the Amrim quote here. He's not going to start because of the T shirt but he's not going to the bench because of the T shirt. So I don't really know.

[B]

I mean he used a word about players and entitlement and I don't think it's that. And I don't think you should be judged on what a family member says or does, you know, because. Come on, on how many times when you played and people, oh, he should be playing, he should be starting or the managers this. And yes, it brings pressure to the club, it brings pressure to the fans and the manager. Whether you think his brother Jordan did the right thing or the wrong thing, that should be held against the, the player. Of course, the wider point on, on Mainu is he should, he should be playing in more minutes and if the manager doesn't want to play him then he has to move on. It's as simple as that. He was starting for England. It was 80 months ago.

[A]

Well, not only starting, but he's one of our best players.

[B]

Exactly that. And I think the system goes against him a little bit because he likes Casemiro. He's gone with a guardi today. Fernandez is playing more holder. So when he challenged him, with Fernandez you're not going to get in but he's certainly got a role to play for Man United. I think it'd be better story if he can find a way to get in, into the team. He's just got to keep working hard. But if it comes to January and he's got no more minutes, then he has to look at it. It's as simple as that.

[A]

I find it slightly baffling whether there's something behind the scenes we don't know about. But yeah, I think he. Well, he needs to play football. I mean, he's coming into, you know, the prime years, he needs to be playing. So. And if he doesn't really want to play him there, then at least get him out on loan. Maybe in January, something, something. We'll take him at Leicester. We need all the help we can get at the moment before we call it a day. Mike, I mean, I watched, I watched Hearts versus Rangers.

[B]

Did you?

[A]

Well, there was no early Premier League Game was there, so. And I switched on. I thought I'll watch a bit. It's actually, I really enjoyed it. I mean Hearts. Heart of Midlothian, such a great name. They're now six points clear. I think Celtic. Well, Celtic have got a game in hand, but they've beaten both the old firm teams twice this season. So four victories, two against Celtic, two against Rangers. Thought they, you know, they played really well in the game. The last time one of the old firm teams did not win in Scotland, I think I'm right in saying was Aberdeen in 84, 85 with a certain Alex Ferguson in charge. I mean that's, that's 40 years. 40 years. Can they do it?

[B]

You know, when you watched them today though, because a lot of people have been talking about them and how good they've been playing. Can they sustain it on what you've seen today?

[A]

Well, I only saw one game so it's difficult to know. But if they play like that and they played a lot of really good football particularly I thought in the second half and knocked it about and had two or three other really, really good chances then they. It was kind of ding dong back end to end particularly in the second half, but. And Rangers gave it a go. But why not? I mean it's, it's a good lead that they've got and you know how important confidence is. But it's, it, well, it's, it's. It's tough to beat those big two up there. But Celtic have had that bad run. They lost four on the bounce. They won today however, so stop the rot. So. But it's. It is interesting particularly the World cup coming in Scotland as well. It gives everyone. I think it's. I think it'd be good for Scottish football if someone other than Celtic Bridges won the. The league.

[B]

Yeah. I. I will always be the Celtic man.

[A]

Are you a Celtic man?

[C]

No.

[A]

Well, I'm not.

[B]

I'm not.

[A]

Admit it on here. That's brave.

[B]

I love you as well Rangers, you know that. No, I just love Henrik Larsson. Harson. Oh my God, them two. The way Harson used to get the ball turn and just volley into the net. What a player he was. Proper player. He was.

[A]

Proper player. Player. Yeah. Okay, Micah, we'll. We'll call it a day there. You could say Roger's an out, couldn't we really?

[B]

Well, I'm glad we my fantasy. So I'm happy to that by the.

[A]

Smile on your face. He's in the rest his football team as well. So they're going particularly well. Before we go, Micah, let us wish everybody a very merry Christmas.

[B]

Yes, and if you don't hear from us before, have a great new year.

[A]

You will hear from us. Goodbye from me.

[B]

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