Gary Lineker (2:57)

And it's usually the coach, the manager. I mean, ultimately, you can look back in the recent history of Tottenham and they've, you know, a long list of managers, some of the biggest managerial names in the business. I think you listen to someone like Jose Mourinho and he was saying there's. The problems are at the top of the club. I think suggest it. Other managers have said the same. Antonio Conte pretty much said the same sort of thing. Now obviously Daniel Levy left, yeah, always was fired himself in which was quite an unusual move for a football club because it nearly always is the coach that takes the hit, as is the case with Thomas Frank. But you're quite right when you say that we know how the rules are with football managers and if you don't get the results, you get fired. But what is it, seven months? Yeah, something like. I mean, I don't know how you're supposed to turn a football club. And let's, let's be fair here for, for Thomas Frank and obviously we know him, but taking that aside, I think he's been incredibly unlucky just before the start of the season. He loses Madison for basically the whole season. Kulasevski has not played at all under Thomas Frank. Obviously Solanke was out for most of the season. He's lost Kudas for the second half of the season. I mean, there are a lot of injur. A lot. And we, we know that clubs have to cope with injuries, but I think in his defense, in his defense, and you know, I'm not playing devil's advocate or anything, it's just factually correct that they've. I think they've had the worst injury of all the clubs that I, I can think of in the top flight at present.

Alan Shearer (4:32)

Yeah, I get that. I understand that and that's been a big factor. But the black and white of it is they're no better. In fact, they're worse off than they were last season when under Ange. And, and that. That in terms of League place was. Was very, very poor for them. So they are. They're in danger of being relegated. And I guess that's why the board have had to act now, because they've got a. What they got three, 10 days before their next game, which is against Arsenal forever comes in.

Gary Lineker (5:03)

Yeah, if they get someone in in that time, because it's. I mean, you wonder whether they've probably got someone lined up. They usually have. They usually have, haven't they? Football clubs that when this sort of Thing happens. Not always, but you know, this was not just about one game. This was about a series of. I mean they have been underperforming and surprisingly so I would say given how well he's doing. I mean it's the first time he's probably been fired. I've said on this podcast recently I took, when I talked to Ancelotti, he was saying the first one is the one that hurts, the second one. Yeah, you think, oh, it's a bit upsetting, he said. And after that you just know. It's part and parcel of I suppose a very well paid but also impossible job for most. I mean how many managers can you think of that you could go back to? Probably someone like Ferguson, Pep Guardiola, Jurgen Klopp that don't actually get fired. I mean there's not many. Yeah, just a handful. It's a. It's an incredibly difficult job.

Alan Shearer (6:10)

But they've got a decision to make now, haven't they? Tottenham whether they, whether they go for an interim or whether they feel as if there's someone out there that can do them do the job in the long term. Deserbies just been or just left Marcia so he would be one name I.

Gary Lineker (6:26)

Guess people talk about he's the style of manager that perhaps the spurs fans would accept and enjoy. A lot of the criticism of Thomas Frank was that he's not. He was a little bit more of a defensive minded coach than. Than perhaps someone like Angie Postecoglou from previously. But my they say fits the Tottenham dinner. My point would be the most important thing is winning and that's what you need. So obviously deserve it. I think he's favorite along with Johnny Heitinger who's obviously was the coach so he'd probably jump in if they don't get a manager immediately. Those two are the favorites. Interestingly for me, someone like Mareska, well, 20 to 1 with the bookies. I mean if I were Tottenham I'd very much look at him even though he's former Chelsea and they don't like that kind of stuff. For Tottenham fans, possibly. But having said that, I think they want to form. I think the Tottenham fans would really, really like a former Chelsea coach as well. But mainly a former Tottenham coach and that will be Pochettino. But he's got a job to do in the summer so he's not going to be free until after that. If, if he decides to leave him the USA team, I suspect they won't do that well in the World cup because they haven't really got the players. But home advantage can drive you through. If he gets to the knockout, you know, if he got to the last 16, that wouldn't be a bad effort. So he could become available. So do they give it to an interim to the end of the season or.

Alan Shearer (7:58)

Yeah, or. Yeah, that's I was just going to say. Or do they go or do the go someone like.

Gary Lineker (8:04)

I don't know.

Alan Shearer (8:05)

We've seen Martin o' Neill come back in at his age. Do they go. Someone like Harry Redknapp to get them to the end of the season? I don't know. I mean that's I guess one of the options that they, they may look at and then they can weigh their options up in the summer and then get a. A permanent manager in maybe after the World Cup, I don't know. But I get as I do feel sorry for Thomas Frank. I just think it's something after last night's performance, they're in a relegation battle and I don't think the performances could go on. The Tottenham f their feelings known last night, both with their booing and also empty seats which for an owner or for a chairman, that's not a good look. So I'm not surprised at all.

Gary Lineker (8:47)

It happened this morning, do you think, Alan? I mean obviously the fans turned on. On not just Thomas Frank but the team as well. And there were a few altercations, weren't they, with players in the crowd. Not necessarily last night but in previous weeks. Do you think now it's. It's a more toxic world and more difficult for coaches and managers given social media and the fans that obviously it's not all fans and it's usually a small percentage that. That voice their frustrations, particularly on social media. But you get these, you know, you see things like on Arsenal TV when things. They lose a couple of games and everyone goes mad that lots of the Liverpool fans were demanding slot was out. I saw on social media. Now I don't think this is, you know, necessarily talking about all fans across the board, but those that scream the loudest are generally more heard nowadays because anyone can have a view. And this, these toxic fan accounts and all this sort of thing make I think it probably more difficult than it's ever been before.

Alan Shearer (9:52)

Well, the top and bottom of it is Gary, that it hasn't changed in terms of the rules of a manager and a coach. You get results or the noise around you is, is. Is gonna get loud. And it's louder now than it's ever been because of social media, because of podcasts, because of fan TVs, because of, because of everything else. But ultimately that noise stays away. If you win matches, that's that, that's what it boils down to. And Tottenham haven't and they're in a relegation fight. And that's why ultimately he's lost his job. Not because of social media, not because of the fans unrested. It's because results have been nowhere near good enough for tot. Someone has to pay the price. And the vast majority of time that's the head coach or the manager.

Gary Lineker (10:36)

Who would you go for, Alan?

Alan Shearer (10:38)

I think they need to buy a bit of time, which means appointment, interim, to try and somehow get them through to the end of the season and then they can weigh their options up then. And if they decide that maybe Pochettino is the man, then that would be the. I think the. One of the options that they would look at. And I don't think that would be an option. Yeah.

Gary Lineker (11:00)

Then what happens is an interim. An interim comes in and does really well, then he keeps the job and then they, then they've got another problem.

Alan Shearer (11:07)

Well, that's fine. That's, that's, that's not a bad problem to have. If the interim, whoever that may be, comes in and does well, fine, that's what they want him to do and they want him to win games. So that, that would be what they would want, I would guess.

Gary Lineker (11:19)

Yeah, yeah, I think that's possible. I mean, it's early days. The strong favorite is De Zerbi obviously is available, which makes.

Alan Shearer (11:29)

If he, if he were to come in, Ian ticking any nonsense whatsoever, he's doing the job.

Gary Lineker (11:34)

And he also would not take an interim job.

Alan Shearer (11:36)

He would. He. Yeah, he would insist on doing it his way or he wouldn't go in at all. So you know what you're going to get with him. And if, if anyone tries to mess with him or interfere, you know what's going to happen. And I don't think that's a bad thing as a manager, but if you.

Gary Lineker (11:50)

Want to do things your way at Tottenham, that in recent history that's not necessarily been.

Alan Shearer (11:55)

Well, unless things have changed dramatically at the top. I know they have in terms of personnel, how it's run, etc. Etc. We're not, we're not sure of the ins and outs, but I guess if he goes in, then he's not, he's not taking any, any nonsense at all.

Gary Lineker (12:11)

Spurs need to sort it out at the top, though. I mean, it's a very well run. It's I mean it's strange one. It just shows you how football is not business. It's totally different to business because it's actually a well run business. It does reasonably, you know, well compared with most others. They're never in you know, the financial problems or anything like that. The fans would say well they don't. They've not really invested into the football team and football's not a business. It's too emotional for a lot of it. So you know the coach is always the one that suffers. But the fans will, you know they want a bit more commitment I think from, from the owners. I mean Levy before he got fired talked about we want to be challeng to win the Champions League. It's worth pointing out too that Thomas Thomas Frank has got got them straight through into the knockout stage. Admittedly I think they were slightly lucky with the draw. PSG were probably the only really top team. They they played and they, they lost to them although they put on a. A decent performance. So yeah, I just, you know, I think Tottenham fans will will also not just they'll be happy with the fact that Thomas Frank as is out a lot of them because I don't think they really got behind him because of results obviously. But at the same time I think there's an element of frustration at the top of the club and the fact that they've not really supported the coaches as well.

Alan Shearer (13:43)

Didn't he guys.

Gary Lineker (13:44)

They missed out which was embarrassing and Morgan Gibbs White that you know, they thought they got him and then he. They hadn't. So yeah there's. I mean sometimes I think it suits the club just to have someone to blame, get the coach out. It's their fault, distract the attention away from what they're doing at the very top. But I think there is, I think there's a lot of unrest amongst the certainly the Tottenham fans that I speak to in terms of not just whoever the coach is and I think there'll be quite a lot of sympathy there was towards postecogli gave them a trophy and also towards Thomas Frank who's obviously a really decent human being.

Alan Shearer (14:25)

So you can also hear that as well though guys from the players, from the captain, Romero. I mean he hasn't been shy and given his opinions in terms of recruitment and how they've been left short as he feels as a player and a captain. Clearly he didn't help his team out when, when he got, when he got sent off. But that, that sort of sums up where they are at this moment in time.

Gary Lineker (14:45)

It Does. Recruitment's everything, isn't it? It really is, yeah. I mean, and the recruitment. The next coach will be very important. Yeah, but they've had lots of big names and nothing has worked in recent seasons other than the fact that they did. They did win a European trophy last season. So we'll. We'll watch this space. If it were me, I. I would try and get Maresca. I think he's. I mean, I knew him at Leicester. He was a really good coach. Did really well, I thought, at Chelsea for a long time. First little tricky spell he had, he was. He was. He was fired as well. Other than that, I would think Pochettino down the line. I think that's what the fans would really like. An interim until the end of the season and then try and get Pochettino in. Agreed. But if. Yeah, and then it depends how they do in the World cup, obviously. So it's hard to plan for next season, isn't it? Yeah. If you've got you. Because you can't suddenly start all your planning with someone that's in. In a job as important as coaching the host nation of a World Cup. So we'll see, we'll see. We'll follow it very closely and. Well, we thought we. We should do this. Just. Tottenham is a. A seriously big plug and they're in a few problems, so. But for now, that's it. For the rest is football emergency episode. Goodbye from me.

Alan Shearer (16:07)

Goodbye from me.

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