A Rewatchables Summer Mailbag!

Summary

The Rewatchables: Summer Mailbag (June 5, 2026)

Overview

This Rewatchables episode is a classic summer mailbag, with Bill Simmons joined by Chris Ryan (CR) and producer Craig Horlbeck. The trio tackles a sprawling, fast-paced series of listener questions about their signature movie categories, new possible awards, 90s film nostalgia, movie athlete realism, and more. The episode flows with friendly banter, playful arguments, and a rapid-fire exchange of pop culture references. Topics range from the mechanics of classic Rewatchables categories like the Dion Waiters Award, to tangents about city “Apex Mountain” eras, rabbit holes on obscure film details, and comically specific listener proposals for new traditions. Throughout, the team maintains their signature blend of deep movie geekery and smart-ass humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Mailbag Mechanics and No-Prep Approach

• Theme: The hosts enjoy the spontaneity of answering without prep, letting improvisation drive the conversation.
• Quote: “Do you like when the no prep happens? Or you… you want the prep?” – Bill Simmons [02:10]

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2. New and Evolving Rewatchables Categories

Best Character Entrance/Danny McBride Award

• Proposal for a new category honoring memorable first character appearances.
  • E.g., Will Ferrell in Wedding Crashers, Alec Baldwin in Glengarry Glen Ross.
• Quote: “There really is an art to the entrance...” – Bill Simmons [02:59]

Periodic Dion Waiters Renaming

• Regular jokes about renaming the Dion Waiters Award for strong supporting performances.
• Listener suggests a “Dion Plus Award” for all-time epic scene-stealers and a “Conditional Award” for performances that almost force a rename.
• Quote: “We may need to rename the Dion Waiters Award. No, never mind.” – Bill Simmons (reading listener email) [06:28]
• Notable Mention: Alec Baldwin in Glengarry Glen Ross as a “pinch-hit grand slam” [46:25]

Horbeck Scale for Film Runtime

• Ongoing debates concerning producer Craig’s "Horlbeck Scale" to celebrate short, efficient movies instead of criticizing longer films.
• Quote: “The purpose of the category is not to criticize good long movies. It’s to celebrate good short movies.” – Craig Horlbeck [07:49]

Apex Mountain: City Edition

• Listener prompts a riff: every city has a cultural “Apex Mountain” era, not just people or movies.
  • San Francisco: 2016 vs. late ‘70s/‘80s
  • Boston: 2004 (Red Sox/Patriots/Big Dig)
  • New York: late ‘70s or mid-to-late ‘90s
  • Philadelphia: 1983
  • Vegas: late ‘90s
• Quote: “Chicago just wants it to be the mid-90s again so badly.” – Bill Simmons (reading) [08:41]
• Notable Moment: “Chicago 96. I have no notes on that. That makes sense.” – Bill Simmons [11:39]

Movies Too Un-PC to Rewatch?

• Cited examples: Soul Man, Blazing Saddles, Revenge of the Nerds. Hosts are generally open to covering them with the right approach.
• Woody Allen movies (e.g., Annie Hall) noted for their elephant-in-the-room problem.
• Quote: “Really, Soul Man is Apex Mountain for this one, but I’m not against doing it.” – Bill Simmons [14:13]

Strangest Actor Character Resume

• Peter Stormare’s vast, bizarre on-screen career is celebrated for roles from “murdered Steve Buscemi with an axe” to “helped Bruce Willis save the world from an asteroid.”
• Quote: “Even without the snuff film, he probably has the best resume.” – Bill Simmons [15:39]

Classic TV Profanity Substitution: The Breakfast Club ‘Real Long Inspection’ Award

• Listener proposes honoring the best/worst TV censorship changes (e.g., “Find a stranger in the Alps” in The Big Lebowski).
• Hosts lament the lost art due to streaming.
• Quote: “This is a dying art. There’s not a lot of, like, basic cable movies that show things that are actually racy at all.” – Chris Ryan [19:29]

Self-parody Performances: Michael Cera Award

• Category for actors excelling as weird versions of themselves—Keanu Reeves in Always Be My Maybe, John Malkovich in Being John Malkovich, Bob Barker in Happy Gilmore.
• Quote: “Michael Cera fucking pale, 110 pounds, hairless, probably has a huge cock coked out of his mind award for excellence in portraying a fictionalized version of oneself.” – Listener email [20:33]

Intricate Plot Holes & What You Can’t Unsee (‘Species Award’)

• For moments that only reveal themselves as plot holes or oddities after repeated viewings.
  • Example: Species alien breeding logic.
  • Example: Hannibal Lecter’s easy escape setup in Silence of the Lambs [25:49]

Spin-off Characters Deserving Their Own Films

• Characters so compelling you’d watch a whole movie about them: Baldwin in Glengarry, Dignam in The Departed, Quint prequel from Jaws.
• Quote: “Could Les Grossman have carried a movie? I say no.” – Bill Simmons [27:13]

Sharon Stone “Going, Going, Gone” Award

• The point in a film where you must suspend reality entirely (e.g., John McClane jumping off a roof in Die Hard) [47:32]

Kilgore Surf Session Award

• Character so wedded to their hobby (e.g., Die Hard 2 baddie’s naked tai chi; Roller Girl’s skates) that it manifests in all circumstances [48:19]

Applying Rewatchables to Real Life

• Listeners (and hosts) use Rewatchables categories for life events (school plays, weddings). Dion Waiters at a wedding = best dance cameo, etc.
• Quote: “The concept of just applying the rewatchables to other parts of your life…” – Bill Simmons [49:58]

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3. Memorable Quotes and Moments

• “You may have a Who Won the Movie or Dion Waiters contender on your hands.” – Bill Simmons [02:21]
• “The actual Wayne [Jenkins], I think, is up for parole soon.” – Chris Ryan [05:04]
• On Peter Stormare: “He’s wood-chipping people to death.” – Bill Simmons [16:21]
• “I think golf is easy because it doesn’t require any physical effort.” – Craig Horlbeck [31:01]
• On Daniel Day-Lewis: “Is he the acting version of James Harden?” – Listener email [34:04]
• “It is interesting, though, that he [Michael Corleone] kills Fredo but with the mom of his kids, that was like a bridge too far for him.” – Bill Simmons [45:30]
• “We've been saying the wrong name the entire time.” (On the Sasha Jenkins/Jensen Award for actors who should have been bigger.) – Bill Simmons [43:07]

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Notable Segments with Timestamps

• New Rewatchables Category: Danny McBride Best Character Entrance [02:21]
• The Ongoing ‘Rename Dion Waiters’ Saga [05:24]
• Discussion on the Purpose of the Horlbeck Scale [07:49]
• City ‘Apex Mountain’ Deep Dive [08:41 – 14:15]
• Un-PC Movies Still Rewatchable? [14:13]
• Actor Who’s Done the Wildest Roles: Peter Stormare [15:33]
• Profanity Substitution on TV (Breakfast Club/Die Hard 2/Big Lebowski) [16:38]
• Best/Worst Movie Athlete Casting: John C. Reilly, Rob Lowe, Kevin Costner [30:17 – 32:42]
• Applying Rewatchables to Weddings/Parties [49:58]
• Mailbag Fun: Sasha Jensen/Jenkins Mix-ups [43:07]
• Smoking On Film Hall of Fame [40:56]
• Michael Corleone/Fredo/Kay Adams Hot Take [45:02]
• Daniel Day-Lewis as James Harden/Steve Nash [34:04]
• The ‘Going, Going, Gone’ Moment in Movies [47:08]

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Hidden Gems & Fan Contributions

• Listener Emails Fuel the Fun: Fans suggest everything from missed memorabilia (Storm family portrait in Hard to Kill [32:42]) to why Tubbs from Miami Vice never became a big star [38:01].
• Rewatchables Awards on School Plays: Mini Oscars for elementary productions [49:58]

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Pop Culture & Sports Tangents

• 2004 Boston Red Sox and Big Dig as Boston's Apex [10:12]
• The Ringer's Origin Story: Recounting early days, sports milestones, and behind-the-scenes mishaps (e.g., Mallory Rubin breaking a rib at the first party) [52:12]
• Year 2016 as the Craziest Sports Year: Warriors/Cavs, Cubs, Patriots, Adele/Kanye, Stranger Things + Game of Thrones [54:27–55:42]

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Notable Listener Proposals for New Categories

• Breakfast Club Profanity Substitution
• Species Award: Details You Can’t Unsee
• Sweater Vest Missed Opportunity Award
• Storm Family Photo as Forgotten Prop
• Kilgore Surfing Award for Hobby Devotion
• Michael Cera Award for Self-Parody
• Robert Duvall/Lt. Kilgore Award (Hobby Devotion)
• Sharon Stone Going/Going/Gone Award
• Applying Awards to Non-Movie Life Events

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Style & Tone

The episode is classic Rewatchables: fast, irreverent, packed with running jokes and movie-nerd trivia. The hosts riff off each other and the audience equally, blending movie deep-cuts and regular-guy insight with sports analogies and pop-culture sidebars. The banter is smart and welcoming, with listeners serving as the fourth host through their creative mailbag suggestions.

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Conclusion

A highly enjoyable, freewheeling episode, crammed with inventive fan contributions, good-natured arguments, and loving nitpicking of Rewatchables lore. The team’s playful, encyclopedic approach makes it accessible for new fans, while regulars will love the running jokes, category tweaks, and community feeling.

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Essential Timestamps Recap

• [02:21] – New “Best Character Entrance” category
• [06:28] – Dion Waiters Plus/Conditional Awards
• [08:41] – City "Apex Mountain" riff begins
• [14:13] – Un-PC movies discussion
• [15:33] – Peter Stormare’s wild roles
• [31:01] – Movie athlete realism deep dive
• [43:07] – Sasha Jenkins/Jensen Award mix-up
• [45:02] – Michael Corleone/Fredo/Kay drama
• [47:08] – “Going, Going, Gone” suspension-of-disbelief award
• [49:58] – Applying movie categories to real life events

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For long-time fans and newcomers alike, this episode captures The Rewatchables at full strength—opinionated, quick-witted, and joyfully obsessive.

Transcript

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[B]

None.

[A]

We have some listener mailbag questions. Do you like when the no prep happens? Or you. You. You want the prep?

[C]

If you want us to provide a list, sometimes it's nice, but otherwise, no. We can go improvise it.

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Okay. This is from Gerard. I want to nominate a new rewatchables category. The Danny McBride Award for Best character entrance. Within a minute, you understand exactly who this guy is, why he's a problem, and why the movie went up a level. The criteria? Immediate. Oh, hell yeah. For oh, no reaction. You cannot look away. You know everything you need to know about the character instantly alerts you that you may have a who won the movie or Dion Waiters award contender on your hands.

[B]

Bride has been a category name before.

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Yeah, he already has a category, but I Don't mind this.

[C]

Yeah. This is based on his introduction to this is the end.

[A]

Right. Well, I was thinking we just did Animal House and Bluto. The first time you see him is a good intro, but there's really is an art to the entrance.

[C]

Oh, yeah. Like Will Ferrell and Wedding Crashers coming down the stairs.

[B]

I would say Alec Baldwin and Glengarry is another one.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I think there's some. Some life to this one. The best entrance. But I think we already have a McBride category, so I could either move it or. Different entrance.

[B]

Like what. What's. What does Mason Miller walk out to? Is it corn?

[C]

It is corn.

[B]

Yeah.

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Yeah.

[A]

Oh, like the Mario Rivera Enter Sandman entrance.

[B]

Some Q enters Sandman. The closer is here.

[A]

That's pretty good. I had a couple ones that I liked from over the years that I just. The iconic ones from my favorite movies. Reggie Hammond, first time you see him in 48 hours, he's singing Police. Todd Parker in Boogie Nights.

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Oh, yeah.

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When he comes into the party and I forget what song they're playing, but it does, like, the zoom in on him and it's like Todd Parker. And then Lester Bangs was the other great one for Almost Famous. The first time he's doing Iggy Pop.

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Amen.

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Really hard to just come in 25, 30 minutes into a movie and just take it over.

[B]

When does Lecter show up in Silas? That's another about half an hour in.

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25 minutes in. I think this is a category. Yeah, it's at least a flex. This is from Michael in Louisville. Love the pod. I'm getting married this fall. My wife asked that we have our childhood priest perform the ceremony. Imagine my surprise when I found out that this man was none other than Father Wayne Jenkins.

[B]

That's.

[C]

His name is.

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His name is Wayne Jenkins. And then he writes in all caps. Damn. I didn't know I was dealing with super priest. We are going to be experiencing the joys of the sacrament for a long time, big boy.

[B]

I didn't know we had Damien Garris over here.

[A]

There's some good priest work right there.

[B]

Wayne is like. The actual Wayne, I think is up for parole soon.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

He's in jail? Yeah.

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Father Wayne Jenkins. Is that a good or a bad sign for the wedding?

[B]

I think it's great. They're gonna have a happy marriage. Congratulations.

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Also, I hope at least five people attending the wedding are making Wayne Jenkins.

[B]

Yeah, it would be great if, like. Does anyone have any, like, reason why these two should not be wedding? God damn. I didn't know we were asking for approval.

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Oh, man, a motherfucking brick. This is from Pete D. He listens to all the Rewatch bowl pods, thinks there's some trends that have emerged, including, he says, one of my favorites is the periodic discussion about renaming Dion Waiters. This comes up a few times a year when a Dion candidate has an especially strong performance.

[B]

Oh, and it's like, we could rename

[A]

Walking and Pulp Baldwin and Glengarry Hartman. And so I married an axe murderer. And then he writes. The discussion always goes something like this, Bill, maybe we should think about renaming the award after Character X. Everyone else, Character X was great, but I don't think we can rename it. There's something about Dion, Bill. Okay, I guess we'll keep it as the Dion Award. Then. About three months later, the exact same discussion occurs. In order of this, I suggest a new conditional award called the. We may need to rename the Dion Waiters Award. No, never mind. For an actor who gives such a great performance, the Rewatchables team pretends to reconsider an award, then decides against it.

[B]

That's good.

[A]

It's a higher level than the typical Dion, reserved for only epic Dion performances. He keeps going.

[C]

It's like you're a Dion Waiters pro bowler.

[B]

Yeah. It's like maybe you've been Dioned before. Like you've done too many. Like Walken would. Is Dion in multiple films? I think.

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Sure.

[B]

He's like that in Dromance. He's like that in Pulp.

[C]

It's like a nomination.

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PT Says you could call it the Dion Plus Award and homage to Kendall Roy's ingenious Land Cruises pitch.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Thought that was good. The Dion Plus. I like that. It's. It sounds like we're spinning it off into. I don't know.

[B]

I gotta check in on Dion. He's somebody who I imagine would have had a podcast by now. Yeah.

[A]

Where is he? Like, Terence Ross is breaking down videos. Like, where's Dan Frank M. Writes in. Hey, gang. I think Craig gets hottest take by saying you could cut the hitchhiker scene. And there's something about Mary. Sometimes he needs a shot collar. I checked with hr and we can't give you a shot.

[B]

I also think this is a good opportunity for you to be like, I. I don't think the Horbeck scale is representative of you as a film fan.

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I want to address this. I. I think. I think we should retire this the only Horbeck scale, because the purpose of the. Of the category is not to criticize good long movies. It's to celebrate good short movies.

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Yes.

[C]

If I like a movie that's 2 hours and 15 minutes, I don't want to have to like, feel forced.

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Feels like he's been taking sh.

[C]

To rip a scene out of it.

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It's just like. I think the goal. I think you could.

[C]

It's to appreciate a short movie.

[B]

Chime in when it's in the Horback hall of fame.

[C]

Sure.

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Yeah.

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We forgot to do it for Animal House.

[C]

Yeah.

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I mean, what was Animal house like,

[B]

hour 45, but yeah.

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It's like if we're doing Dunkirk, I'm not going to be like, yeah, you can cut the hardy stuff. That's not the point of the. It's not my intention.

[B]

Do we really need to be flying around?

[C]

Yeah.

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Do you want to retire the Horlebeck scale?

[C]

It's like if something about Mary is 2 hours and 10 minutes. But I like the movie. I don't think it's in the spirit of the category for me to feel like I got to remove a scene.

[B]

Yeah.

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However, I do think like 7 minute abs. 8 minute abs. Not the funniest joke in the world.

[B]

I thought it was fucking hilarious.

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Really hot takes. Colin K. Writes in. He's been thinking about Apex Mountain.

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Yep.

[A]

And he decided most cities have a respective Apex Mountain. That then that becomes the spiritual defining thing they're chasing. Like, Chicago just wants it to be the mid-90s again so badly.

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Oh.

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Like temporal Apex Mountain.

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So he listed a bunch of cities with what he thinks their Apex Mountain is.

[B]

Okay.

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San Francisco. He said 2016.

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Well.

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Well, it's not 2006. Okay.

[B]

But like this for cost be 20.

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It's like 17 or 15.

[B]

Wait, he's talking about tech or is he talking about what it looks like?

[A]

I'm just reading what he said.

[B]

Okay.

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I mean, I can't be right out of the gate. Me too.

[B]

But I like that there's a crumb here where it's like. It's a kernel of saying, like, actually Apex Mountain, San Francisco would be late 70s, early 80s. Right.

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So that would have. My argument would have been late 70s, like post dirty Harry bullet. Yeah. And we're heading into it where Zodiac

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kind of goes back to. Yeah.

[A]

But I guess you could make a case like as Steph and the warriors are taking off with the tech boom and the prices.

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Yeah. I mean, it might not have been the best. Like San Francisco itself might not have

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been at its basic instinct is probably the happy medium between the two.

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I said, for me, it's 90s San Francisco. We talked about that in Basic instinct. I thought mid-90s San Francisco is lights out. Yeah. Like I would proceed that.

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You also can't say 2015. 20 because it wasn't even in San Francisco. The warriors played at Oracle.

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Yeah. All right. So he's 0 for 1. Boston 2004. I actually agree with this because of socks. Socks. Patriots in full bloom. Big pitch. Big Dig is done.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So we have big dig. Took 10 and 10 fucking years. Finished. The city was transformed. It just all of a sudden. And of course I had moved by then. And every time I came back I was like, how the fuck did we leave right before all this big thing is done?

[B]

So Jem can get back and forth from Charleston.

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They never are able to escape that North End robbery. He has New York City 1998. I don't know how he came up with that one.

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98. It's interesting.

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Pre 9 11.

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Pre 9 11.

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Yankees going strong. Nick's still in the mix. I personally would have gone mid-90s for New York for a variety of reasons

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with the sports and just SNL's in a decent spot in the late 90s.

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SNL's coming back.

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I mean, I like early 2000s just because of the music.

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911 at that point. I know that can't be Apex.

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I'm not saying it's Apex Mountain for like actual stuff. I just mean like. And that's also when I was there, you know.

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So I would say late 70s for New York Warriors. All the. That was going get Warriors. But you had SNL in full bloom. They're making all kinds of awesome movies there. The music scene has taken off.

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Ridiculous.

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It's the center of the porn industry.

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Sure.

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Professional wrestling.

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We haven't. We haven't rest with our adult entertainment yet.

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It's just. I just feel like even though it was a little scummy and grimy in New York, it was just crushing it.

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Yeah.

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Pre Trump.

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Get a. Get a cab. Travis Bickles your driver.

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Yeah.

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You know.

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Chicago 96. I have no notes on that. That makes sense. It would be somewhere in the second Jordan. I spent some time there in 98. Everybody was super happy. Seattle 1993. He says. I like it. Beginning of the grunge. Sean Kemp. Sonics are still there.

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Campbell Scott designing a super train.

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Ken Griffey's about to show up.

[C]

Early tech rumblings.

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Yep. I'll say Philly for last. He is Pittsburgh is 1975 just pro steeler. Sure. The two most interesting ones. He had Los Angeles, 1955.

[B]

Isn't that like LA Confidential?

[A]

Yeah, I thought that was. I don't know why he had that. I would have said mid-80s for LA. Like with Hollywood.

[B]

Yeah, I was gonna say like Lakers.

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People moving here. It was like the coolest place there. And then he has 1983 for Philly.

[B]

Well, that's Sixers. Phillies go to the World Series.

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Rocky Balboa.

[B]

Right.

[A]

The Phillies have just won.

[B]

Well, they won an 80, but they lost the Orioles in 83.

[A]

But you're. You're in the middle of your Phillies run. Yeah, Eagles were in the sobriety then

[B]

it's after Broad street bullies, isn't it? So, yeah, sure.

[A]

Rocky 3 is out.

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Big 5 basketball popping off. See? Yeah, I. That I was in kindergarten, so I don't like, have a Picture Perfect memory.

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83 seemed good. I had a couple ads. Hartford, 1988, ESPN. They're starting to take off and they still have the Whale. The Whalers. Oh, my God. And then I was trying to think the Apex Mountain for Vegas. And I think it's late 90s. Yeah, that's before it became commercialized, when it was still there was a little bit underground.

[B]

I would have loved to be there. Like the Moe Green era. That would have been good.

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Oh, yeah. Spanging Cocktail, which was too green. I'm excited for feedback on that. And then to get.

[B]

We have to ask what, like.

[A]

So he's saying actual just like, where people. Because the reason it resonates, if you

[C]

could choose a year to live in the city, what year would it be?

[B]

I would love to live in Milwaukee during, like the Robin Yount era.

[A]

Not the Dahmer era.

[B]

No, no. But it seemed like pony bottles of

[A]

Miller were everywhere, you know, because Boston definitely was 2004. That was the single year you would have wanted to live in Boston. Chris Arrington wants to know, is there a movie you haven't done yet for rewatchables because it's so un. PC you worry about backlash and who would you want as co hosts on that pod? So really, Soul man is Apex Mountain for this one, but I'm not against doing it. Blazing Saddles would be, I think, really hard to do.

[B]

I don't know. I mean, I. Blazing Towels is on Turner Classic Movies last night. Like, it's. It's still, I think, regarded very well.

[C]

What about Revenge of the Nerds?

[A]

That was the other one I had. But I would do all three of those. So I don't. I don't feel like there is an npc. You'd have to go into, like.

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I mean, look, it's incredibly difficult to talk about Woody Allen's filmography and not address, like, the elephant in the room with him. And. And I think a lot of those movies, like, are hard to talk about. But I still really love Annie Hall. Like, I love to do Annie hall on.

[A]

There's a couple, like, the couple dark movies that probably aren't rewatchables, but like, that Monica Bellucci movie and shit like that, we would never do.

[B]

Well, we would never do that.

[A]

Requiem for a Dream. No, most rewatchable. This is a great one. Mike L wrote this. My 72nd rewatch of Fargo gave me an idea. Do Peter Stormar's film TV characters have the weirdest resume of any actor in history? These are some of the things his characters have done. Murdered Steve Buscemi with an axe and stuffed him into a wood chopper. Eaten by a dinosaur. Got his ear bitten off by John Goodman. Helped Bruce Willis save the world from an asteroid. Swapped out Tom Cruise's eyeballs. Directed multiple actual snuff films and helped George Costanza move to Frogger without losing his high score. Can any actor challenge this?

[C]

We don't have that anymore. You know, no one's doing stuff, honestly.

[B]

Incredible. Incredible. That's.

[A]

Even without the snuff film, it's still. He still probably has the best.

[B]

I'm gonna start thinking about this when we do, like, especially 90s movies where I'm like, you know, like, this guy's been in 13. Like, what were his jobs?

[A]

Right?

[B]

Yeah. So I want to find out, like, what Col Meanie did besides being Con Air, you know.

[A]

Oh, that's a good one. I had Madsen sliced off the ear. And Reservoir Dogs of the Cop, he buried the bridal alive in Kill Bill, he unleashed a black mamba snake. And Kill Bill too. He killed a horny hot female alien in Species, and he beat up people with a baseball bat in Brasco. Pretty good resume. Not even close to Storm Art.

[B]

Kind of. One note, though. Storm is really riding all over the place.

[A]

Storm Art's replacing eyeballs. He's directing stuff. Films. Yeah, he's wood chipping people to death

[C]

because it's like the not quite leading man, but can be in every kind of movie as a side character.

[B]

And it's got to be something creative. Like, Cruz is just the best at everything he does. Like, best bartender, best pilot, best spy.

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That was pretty good. David Foster. Probably not the songwriter writes in, given the rewatchables. Often features movies frequently aired on tv back in the day. I'd like to suggest a new Flex category entitled the Breakfast Club Real Long Inspection Award. Alternatively the Die Hard 2 Yippee Ki Yay Mr. Falcon Award. Alternatively, the Big Lebowski Find a Stranger in the OPS Award for Did this movie have an epic profanity replacement when aired on tv? Oh, interesting. So Real Long Inspection was actually heat hot beef injection. You be k motherfucker, you know that one and then Find a Stranger in the Alps replaced For adults with Crohn's

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[B]

And it's also like mountains of cocaine. Did they actually show him doing it on the tv?

[A]

I don't know if you have a favorite.

[B]

Well, I replace. I'll just say this is a dying art, you know, like, there's not a lot of. There's not a lot of, like, basic cable movie that show things that are actually racy at all. It's always like, no, my memory of

[C]

this is actually like, just like listening to the radio in my car and they have to, like, bleep out Eminem.

[B]

Oh, like all of 50 Cent.

[A]

Yeah, right. Robert Calvin writes in after listening to the Tropic Thunder episode. I think there should be an occasional category called the Joel Anderson I prefer welcome Home Roscoe Jenkins award for Is this movie still rewatchable? That was amazing. Joel. Rope and Open Up Dust. He said he loved Tropic Thunder and then turned out he didn't. There's also enjoyed having that energy in

[B]

the pod where I think the three of us all like, just sort of. We cede the platform to Joel.

[A]

Yeah, we gave up Kyle Potter. Craig, you're going to love this one. New Flex category. The Michael cera fucking pale, 110 pounds, hairless, probably has a huge cock coked out of his mind award for excellence in portraying a fictionalized version of oneself.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So it's basically like a self D on waiters.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

He votes for Keanu Reeves and always be my. Maybe John Malkovich and Big John Malkovich and Neil Patrick Harris and Harold and Kumar.

[B]

That's great.

[A]

And then said it could be extended to fictionalized portrayals of others, like actors

[C]

willing to subvert their reputation in movies.

[A]

So he suggested Anna Faris taking down Cameron Diaz and Lost in Translation could be adjacent.

[B]

Okay. Would that also do you like the. I wonder if Julia Roberts in Ocean's twelve pretend to be Julia Roberts actually counts.

[C]

It's like Bob Saget in Entourage pretending to be, like, the biggest asshole in the world.

[A]

So I had Kareem and Airplane, Eminem and Funny People is a good one. I thought everybody loved Raymond. Bob Barker and Happy Gilmore. Lance Armstrong Dodgeball. Julie Roberts, Malkovich, and then Johnny Chan and Rounders is a good one.

[C]

Barker. Oh, yeah, Parker's a really good one.

[B]

Sorry, John, I don't remember.

[A]

I think that could be added to the Flex, though. I like it.

[C]

110 pounds soaking wet. Probably has a huge.

[A]

Sean Donnelly writes, you guys were talking about making a dramatic version of There's Something about Mary. There kind of already is. 1 the 1984 neo noir film Against All Odds. In it, LA outlaws wide receiver Jeff Bridges, gangster James woods and Outlaws coach Alex Karras are all obsessed with the stunning Rachel Ward and drop everything to travel to Mexico to win her.

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LA outlaw wide receiver Jeff Bridges.

[A]

Oh, Craig, this movie's amazing.

[B]

Well, this is also where the Phil Collins song comes, right?

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[C]

Which one?

[A]

This has one of the great cartoons, right. Bridges plays like a washed up receiver, but yeah, these three people against all odds. It's a song. But yeah, he says it's. It's a sports film, but I feel like the Farrelly brothers were aware of it. That's pretty interesting. It does get a little. There's something about Mary at the end. Yeah, they're all like obsessed with her.

[B]

Yeah. I hadn't even thought about that movie in a long time.

[A]

It's great. It's a good. It was on a long time. It's not good. It's very fun.

[B]

I may never have actually seen the movie. It's just that in the music video for Against All Odds, it's just footage from the movie and it's the whole story of the film.

[A]

Rachel Ward.

[B]

There's a good car chase in that movie, right?

[A]

Really good car chase. Rachel Ward's throwing 102.

[C]

I don't know Rachel Ward. What is Rachel Ward from?

[A]

You should get to know her.

[B]

Correct. Is that Taylor Hackford?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Make from Western Mass said at the end of Dave movie that I'm ready to do the read. Dave.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Really love that movie.

[B]

When did you do Dave?

[A]

Long time ago.

[B]

Dobbins?

[A]

Yeah, years ago. He says at the end. Wack. This is inside for people love this movie. But how is Dwayne, the Ving Rhames character, not wearing a sweater vest in the last shot? Because there's a kitchen scene in the White House when Dave and Ving Rhames are kind of. They're talking, they're eating a sandwich and he says, should wear sweater vests. They look good on you. And Ving Rham's like, really? And he's like, you could have brought that around. So he says that's a new category. The Dwayne Stevenson sweater vest Missed opportunity award for a very small choice that would have made the movie better. I'm going to veto this. But I like the spirit of it.

[B]

You like. Why are you veto. Just because you're like, that's.

[A]

I just think it would be too hard. They had to figure out. But I like the idea of it. It would really would have Been a

[B]

good idea if he had a sweater vest. It's like loose, loose threads. It's like you shouldn't tied a knot on that one.

[A]

Blair Symes from Chicago says the rewatchables is my favorite pod and the species episode is one of the best all timer. What about the species award for the thing no one notices or questions during the first few viewings, but then you see it and can't unsee it. So he says for him it goes to the supposed evil alien plot to take over the world by breeding aliens with humans. How's this supposed to work? He says Natasha Hentridge is half alien, but her kid would be quarter alien, then it'd be 8th alien and so on. Eventually human DNA is gonna water down the alien DNA and you won't notice it. Humans down the road will just end up being 3% alien on their 23andMe test. Like they're 3% Irish. Plus, didn't those aliens send us to secret to unlimited energy as well as their DNA? They were good dudes.

[C]

It's a decent point.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

I don't know if the DNA would be strong enough that it wouldn't get watered down, you know.

[B]

Well, there was also the Hensterage is going around killing guys who are diabetic. You know, like it's like basically like winnow down the. Like, like most, most human beings have some frailty, some flaw with them. So then you're just talking about her breeding with like six guys after a while.

[A]

I like the idea. I was trying to think of other examples where when you've seen a movie too, too many times and then you realize a plot has just been completely ruined, which basically is what's aged the worst. Or picking nits for us. But that's, that's a good one. It was the bad plan by the aliens.

[B]

Yeah, it's like there's. There should be a special like. Especially for ones that are like big movies for us. Like the thing I notice, 12th viewing of this movie, you know, well, and

[C]

it's like, why can't the aliens just come down to earth in their natural form and just kill all the humans?

[A]

Yeah. That could have been another move.

[B]

Right, Right.

[C]

Why do they need to look like a human and seduce a human? It's like, couldn't they just kill him?

[B]

Zap them?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Silence of the Lamps is a good one for this. When they just have Lector at the top floor with like one security guard

[B]

and he's also bringing him pork chop, lamb chops and stuff.

[A]

And it just. And he asked for a second dinner. And like, boy, that's weird. Like, you see that enough times. What's the one we have for Heat for this?

[B]

I mean, there's a lot of things in Heat where it's like, does this guy who's so disciplined really go back for wingro? You know what I mean? Like, he's. He's like. So he's free.

[A]

Yeah, he's at the. He's at the airport. Mike Kaiser says that we missed a huge plot point in no Way Out. I'm glad people are listening to the library.

[C]

I really like Snow Way Out.

[A]

I'd like to suggest you guys brand the did this movie need a better ending category and make it the Tom Farrell single handedly lost the Cold War award. Oh, yeah, Which Costner. When Gene Hackman's character was like, I'll give you anything you want. Why not just be like, oh, I control the defense secretary. Now I own Gene Hackman. And then that could be the sequel. And he just felt like he blew the opportunity. I'm going to keep an eye on this. I don't know if it's a category, but I do like, like, yeah, he actually would have been better off just being like, oh, this is actually run.

[C]

This guy controlling it.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

The sequel. One way Out.

[A]

Jason Peters says, this is a great one.

[B]

Not Philadelphia Eagles Tackle Legend.

[A]

No spin off character. You would greenlight for a new movie award a character so interesting you'd watch a whole movie based on them. And he mentions Baldwin and Glengarry, but he came up with this because of Tom Cruise and Tropic Thunder. Could Les Grossman have carried a movie? I say no. That's kind of. Yeah, that'd be tough for an hour and a half. I did have a couple possibilities for this though. Diggum and the Departed.

[B]

That was talked about for a while, right?

[A]

That could have been. Definitely been a sequel.

[C]

Which one is

[A]

Quint Prequel we talked about when we did Jaws.

[B]

Mm.

[A]

Could have gone back. Maybe even gone back all the way to World War II there. My two favorites. Dino Stormwire. Second reference. Dino Velvet.

[B]

8 millimeter.

[A]

8 millimeter prequel as he dives into the world of snuff films.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But then obviously the answer is Caruso and Proof of Life. We call it Stuff of Legends. Stuff of Legends. The Proof of Life sequel.

[B]

Dino on another case.

[A]

Crow's not in it. Maybe he has a cameo. Maybe he just calls in. But. But yeah, Caruso's doing a second.

[B]

I saw a. Randomly saw like a Russell Crowe press conference. Or podcast where he was taught proof of life came up and he's like, my girlfriend at the time, Meg Ryan. And I was like, yes.

[A]

Oh, wow. He admitted that. Yeah. Oh, my God.

[B]

That was on Front Street. Everybody knew that was happening, but she was married.

[A]

They were like, interesting. Abigail wants us to have a new category. Would this movie be better with Buffalo Bill or Little Bill? Couldn't quite get there, but did think about it.

[B]

It's. I like it.

[A]

It's like little.

[C]

Do you have a Little Bill impression ready to go?

[A]

I think Little Bill. I'm trying to think which one to do. I'm sorry, my mind isn't on. What does he say? Sorry, my mind isn't on the projection of the film. Derek Lady. We talked about worst movie athletes and he was outraged that we forgot about Matt Damon and Legend of Bagger Vance, which Damon's talked about. He had to speed learn how to play golf in like two weeks. And his swing is like, really, really bad. But then we got a bigger email from Mike Montre. In 1998, I was an extra in the movie. For Love of the game. We got $50 a day. It was November in the Bronx. It was cold. Sam Raimi obviously wanted jackets off to display late summer baseball. Bronx natives grew tired of the request. Look closely. Winter jackets are in the background. Nights grew long and cold. Extras grew impatient. And John C. Reilly couldn't catch or throw. Couldn't throw the ball back to the pitcher at all. Costner was dealing. Riley was fucking up takes left and right. The extras had enough. It was cold. The jeers began, escalated into, you fucking suck, Riley. Riley had enough, flipped out, screaming at the extras, let me do my fucking job. He couldn't do the job. The next day, his lighting double replaced him in all catching scenes.

[B]

Jesus.

[A]

I was like, how is that not your winner for worst actor as an athlete?

[C]

I would love to know which actor who had to play sports in a movie required the most training to actually be, you know, somewhat believable on screen.

[A]

One of my favorites for this is Rob Lowe didn't know how to skate before Young Bud, really. And they did this five week speed session with him and then he actually got like that pretty good.

[C]

Great documentary. I would love to watch. Like, Kevin Costner just has to go on the Haney project before Tin cup just to learn how to play golf.

[B]

Like, I'm trying to think of what would be the thing, what would be the athletic act that you feel like you could immediately go do and like plausibly do it on Film right now.

[C]

I mean, I. I think golf is easy because it doesn't require any, like, physical effort.

[B]

The problem with physical is that your swing always looks 20% more awkward and bad than you think it does.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because in your mind, you're like, boy, I'm Koepka. And like. And then you look at a video of yourself and you're like, I look like I'm playing left handed. What is happening?

[C]

I think I could throw a fastball in a movie. Believably.

[B]

I was going to say, I think I could do Riley's job. I mean, I would be hard for me to get down in a squat for catching now, but I. I felt pretty natural being behind the plate.

[C]

I was a pitcher growing up. I think I could get away with it.

[A]

You have to be pretty uncoordinated to not be able to just catch Kevin Costner for three hours.

[B]

What about you? You don't think you could conduct an offense and like, white man can't jump two on two.

[C]

Basketball's hard.

[A]

Basketball's hard. Basketball's hard because people if. Especially if you play your shots, your shot. So I always had a little bit of an unorthodox shot that would make it look like I didn't play, but I did play.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So it's almost like you're better off learning from scratch. But Snipes is a good example of they. He was a good athlete that they taught to play basketball and, you know, to mix results. I was never a huge fan. I think the toughest would be for me, it would be tennis because I've played tennis forever. But my serves, weird. So it looked like I've never played tennis before. If you saw me, you have to get a lighting. Yeah, yeah. I never, like, bring it back.

[C]

I was a good one. Like, I would love to see the training that went into filming challengers.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I think an underrated one for this is a track and field movie because

[B]

you have to see yourself running well.

[A]

But to be like, if you're Steve Prefontaine, you have to have like, basically no part of your body is moving as you're running, but it has to seem like you're going fast, which I think is really hard to do.

[B]

If they keep doing like, weird live stunt things on Netflix, they should have crud up race Lido now to see

[A]

who is the faster Prefontaine dressed as with Prefontaine wigs. This is a great one. It's from Charles. How do you and Kyle Brandt sleep at night knowing you failed to choose the Storm family portrait as the piece of memorabilia you'd keep from Hard to kill in 1990. It's seen early in the movie, right before Felicia Storm is brutally murdered during foreplay with Mason and before their son Sonny escapes. See attached. As penance, please do an episode on Deadly Ground. So he sent a picture, and this is the Storm family photo. I didn't notice it. I apologize. I know Kyle apologizes as well. This is amazing. I can't believe they did this.

[B]

I'll tell you what you guys should do.

[A]

By the way, that's Sharon Stone.

[B]

I think to make up for this, you should get those made into T shirts and wear them the next time you and Kyle record.

[A]

I feel like Kyle is crazy enough and there's no football right now that he's going to show up on a rewatchables with the Storm family portrait on there.

[B]

But he should do it for, like, a really serious movie. For, like, Deer Hunter.

[A]

I'm wearing the Storm family. Thomas Levy says, how is this for a. CR Thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. Hottest take. Buckle up, C.R. are we sure Daniel Day Lewis is in the acting version of James Harden?

[B]

Come on.

[A]

He's never appeared in a Best Picture film. He has zero appearances on any film listed in the AFI Top hundred.

[C]

What do you mean? Didn't Lincoln win Best Picture?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No, but it didn't. It did not.

[A]

He's never been in a film that went.

[B]

That's actually the wrong way to criticize Daniel Day Lewis because. Yes, like, I. First of all, he's, like, unquestionably the best actor of his generation.

[A]

Listen, I'm just reading the emails. I'm not saying I agree.

[B]

I'm saying Daniel Day Lewis up by never being, like, the bad guy in Conair. Like, Daniel Day Lewis should have done one bad action movie where he's like Hans Gruber. That would have just been amazing.

[A]

Or done his version of Lecter and Silence of Lambs. Yes.

[B]

Listen, did Daniel Day Lewis need his training day?

[A]

Is there another podcast that would compare Daniel Day Lewis to James Harden? No, I'm just trying to imagine if

[B]

Daniel Day Lewis today was, like, so disrespectful. I love Trainin Day. I'm gonna just remake it. But I'm Alonzo.

[A]

I love taking. I liked what Liam Neeson did. What basketball player is Daniel Day Lewis? It's a tough one. It's somebody who won MVPs but was never on a table.

[C]

Transform themselves.

[B]

Yeah, because it's. In some ways, it's like the Only thing you do is win rings. So is it Robert Ori. You know what I mean?

[A]

Mike Trout? No, just multiple MVPs, but never, never won the World Series. I'm just saying by the logic of this question of, like, he was never in the best movie of a year.

[B]

Steve Nash is good.

[A]

Oh, Steve Nash is good.

[B]

Yeah, Steve Nash is good.

[A]

Mid 2000s Suns offense or it's somebody who's like a chameleon as their career changed. I don't know. John Craig Howell said he just caught up to the Live and Die in LA episode. Says you talked about whether prison phones during visits are tapped and recorded. He said the answer is yes. I know this because my wife had an internship with a prosecutor's office during law school and was signed to listen to some of them they monitor just in case the prisoners are dumb enough to discuss things they did, which they do. And a phrase she heard still is used by them today. Hnl. Because one of the prisoners told his visitor, oh man, that's HNL. H&L, man. Whole nother level, as in something has really escalated. So they always say HNL because of these prison things that they heard. Okay, so apparently they do record them.

[C]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[A]

I figured they did.

[B]

I didn't know if they recorded LA County Jail in 1985 or whatever.

[A]

But yes, this is a great one from Justin in Los Angeles. What about the Sharon Stone Fuck of the Century award for excellence in craft? As Michael Douglas tells us, Basic Instinct. Katherine Chamele is an otherworldly leg, not an all star or an NBA level. A singular sport defining level talent. So what other deeply skilled movie characters are eligible? He suggests Danny Ocean as a generational thief and machine as a world class sadist. Multiple 8 millimeter references. I really like this.

[B]

Vincent Lauria as a nine ball and stalker player in Color of Money.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah. But what else do we have for. I think it almost has to be more obscure. Right?

[C]

So this is like somebody who is overly competent at their specific job. Is this like Keitel?

[B]

Yeah, like a folk hero like level of like what they're good at Keitel and Pulp.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, yeah, that's good.

[B]

Yeah, that's good.

[A]

I like that. I'm gonna keep an eye on this one. Sonny K. From Vancouver says longtime fan been rewatching Miami Vice on streaming us too. Why didn't the actor who played Tubs become a bigger star? Do anything after Vice? Good looking guy. Not quite as charismatic as Don Johnson, but held his own in multiple episodes. What held him back?

[B]

You probably know better than I would what happened to Phil. Mike.

[A]

I never understood it.

[B]

He liked music more too, right?

[A]

I thought he was total package. Like handsome. Funny.

[C]

I thought he was the fuck of

[A]

the century action star. I don't really have an answer for this one. Maybe he was an asshole.

[B]

We've both been rewatching season one, though.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I was thinking about do we do give. Give the rewatchables audience a season one starter kit for episodes which I think is the two part opening. Sadly, I can do this off top of my head. The two part opening. Calderon's Revenge, which we already did on rewatches.

[C]

Great.

[B]

McCarthy.

[A]

Great. McCarthy. Definitely.

[B]

Glades.

[A]

I don't love Glades. You like Glades more than I do. But Glades does have people we've talked about on this podcast. The Golden Triangle episode is amazing. The Bruce Willis as a domestic violence arms dealer.

[C]

Oh, wow.

[A]

Couldn't recommend that. Oh my God. Could not recommend that episode more highly. Evan, which is no longer available on streaming because they end the show with Biko by Peter Gabriel. Must have canceled that one. There's a great one. The last couple. There's one when Crockett falls in love and it starts affecting his job and then Tubbs get beaten up. And then I just watched Lombard recently, the last episode of season one, and it's Dennis Farina playing the Midnight Run. The guy, Sidney, have a cream soda. Do some fucking thing. Basically playing this wisecracking gangster. And I texted CR about this already. During the episode they play the entire song of Wire by U2, which is probably the single best U2 song of the 80s. And they're just cranking you two. During this chase scene. I'm like, this is the most 1985 moment of my life.

[B]

Did you say Milk Run?

[A]

Milk Run's another good one. And Smuggler's Blues and smugglers Bruce. Yeah. So that would be the starter kit. We might have to force Craig to watch all these this summer. You like all these 80s things, though.

[C]

I do. I love the 80s.

[B]

I also. Heart of Darkness where Susie Amos plays a young porn star in Miami and they break up an underground porn ring.

[A]

Oh, that's. That's one of the early ones. Yeah. Everything leads to the third.

[B]

That's before almost.

[A]

And then the third episode of season two, which is ends with the Dire Straits song is the best one, I think. Probably.

[C]

Should I start growing my hair out? Should I do. Should I give one shot at it to do it?

[B]

Use it before you lose it, man. That's my attitude.

[C]

I'VE thought about it, but there's such an awkward middle period. I feel like before it starts to look good that you have to.

[B]

I don't know. I think Chalamet is paved away for the mullet again too.

[C]

Yeah, but you know, I'm not Timothy Chalamet.

[A]

Steve W. Wants us to basically do an On Screen Smoking hall of Fame as a special episode.

[C]

That's good.

[A]

And wants us to have a mailbag episode of Best Actor Best Actress for the Spiff Girls. Most Passionate Worst on Screen Cigarette. That felt the best. Best Film cigarette. Just do like 10 categories and go.

[B]

You guys would know this better than us.

[A]

I figured I could.

[B]

Marlboro never approached us. Yeah, you ever really can we like, why of all the things that advertise on podcasts, like, would it be weird

[A]

if we were like this episode is brought to you by AMC. Entertainment Weekly calls AMC's the audacity a gripping, funny and sometimes chillingly of the moment tale. Starring Billy Magnuson and Sarah Goldberg, this Silicon Valley satire looks at what happens when the people building our future are falling apart themselves. From Jonathan Glatzer, a writer and producer on Succession and Better Call Saul. Don't miss the Audacity every Sunday only on AMC and AMC. Learn more at amcplus.com this episode is brought to you by Pure Michigan. In Grand Rapids, every moment feels like a scene worth replaying. Every riverside stroll, every slow afternoon sipping small batch brews, every guitar riff drifting out of the city's brand new amphitheater. This is a place where everything feels cinematic, like you've stepped into a highlight reel that's yours to explore. Ranked as the number one city on the rise from LinkedIn, Grand Rapids invites you to find a rhythm all your own, season after season in Pure Michigan. Find your [e-mail] Look, I wouldn't do

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it now, but I used to do it then.

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We're not condoning it. We're appreciating it. He wants smoking problem. Call 1-800-mark-PROBLEM he recommends cr look up on YouTube the compilation of match strikes from the Long Goodbye. He says Elliott Gold is the Michael Jordan of strike anywhere.

[C]

If we did this, you guys would have to smoke cigarettes during the taping.

[A]

I mean, fine, you said you did

[B]

or didn't have one in 2026.

[A]

I had one.

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Yeah.

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I've only had one.

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I had one two weekends ago.

[A]

We're recording this before Memorial Day weekend and very strong possibility this weekend. This is an amazing one from James McElroy. Probably not the same James McElroy the Sasha Jenkins Award gets me every time. That's for the award where we can't figure out why the actor didn't become a bigger star. And we've been doing this, what, for four years?

[C]

Since Days.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

His name is actually Sasha Jensen. You guys, getting it wrong for so long really hits the point because he should have been bigger than he was. We've been saying the wrong name the entire time. Yeah. I think we keep it. I think it's funnier that it's a Sasha Jenkins or maybe called the Sasha Jenkins Jensen Award. I don't know.

[B]

Do you think Sasha Jensen's just like, God damn it, guys.

[A]

It's like, how do you. Can't even get my fucking name right. Yeah. So this whole time we've had the wrong name. Adam from Westport says thank you for so prominently featuring Crisp's ponytail in the Kindergarten Cop episode. I saw it when I was six. I spent the remainder of my childhood completely terrified of any man with a ponytail. Do you think Kindergarten Cop was directly responsible for the sharp drop in popularity of long hair for men in the 1990s?

[B]

I have no idea.

[A]

Say no because of grunge. I feel like long hair actually became a thing. But I do think ponytails went away in the 90s, and that might have been a reason.

[B]

I also remember the ponytail from the guy in Goodwill hunting being like, you don't. You don't want a ponytail.

[C]

Yeah. Seagal ponytail for a long time. Right?

[B]

Sure.

[A]

He also might have helped kill it. Yeah. Because people hate Seagal. Avi from Staten island says, I've known how to steak. We're all very well aware of Bill's correct views on the K. Diane Keaton character in the Godfather.

[B]

Avi from Staten island wrote that. Huh. Just reading Bill from.

[A]

I would never make up a mailbag. Well, the argument was always Diane Keaton, Great actress. Kay Adams, bad character, poorly written. Okay. I stand by it for the rest of my life.

[B]

Kay Adams. Was that her last.

[C]

I was just about to say, is that her mate?

[A]

Kay Adams? Carole Own.

[B]

I did not know that. That's.

[A]

We've talked about this. That's where Kay Adams, I think, got her name, because her name's not actually Kay Adams.

[C]

The sports.

[B]

She named herself after Michael Corleone's wife.

[A]

Kay Adams isn't her real name.

[C]

And you think she watched the Godfather?

[A]

I don't know. Maybe she liked K. Adams.

[C]

I didn't know any of this.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Holy shit.

[A]

So Avi says, I'd like to take. I'd like to go one step further and suggest Michael should have had Kate killed for aborting his son. Michael had his own brother killed for being stupid and putting his family's lives in danger. No one was harmed. K, who in his own eyes actually murdered his own son, should have at least been sentenced to what happened to Fredo. That takes too hot.

[C]

Pretty retrograde.

[A]

It is interesting though that he kills Fredo but with the mom of his kids, that was like a bridge too far for him. Yeah.

[B]

Alfredo betrayed the family.

[A]

Fredo was so weak. Look at you. Look at.

[C]

We all have stage names. I just get now I'm like, dang, what should our names have been?

[A]

You could have started when you became.

[C]

I should have just been Michael Corleone. Yeah.

[B]

Craig Corleone.

[C]

Yeah, that plays.

[A]

Could have been Craig Beck. Just gotten rid of the horror.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, I know. The horror's not great.

[A]

I like the horror. Works for you now though I guess

[C]

for those who can pronounce it.

[A]

Matt Larkin. Another Dion Waiter's question. He thinks the all time Dan Waiters performance is Alec Baldwin and Glengarry. Think about it. With no warning. Breezes in partway through the movie for a single scene. Delivers all his lines at an epic monologue. Absolutely cooks and dresses down a room of legends. It's a pinch hit. Grand slam.

[B]

Shits all over Jack Lemon.

[A]

It's pretty good. The one scene down Waiters is like a special category.

[B]

It's also like that one is specifically mammoth. Writing it for Baldwin is. Is pretty nuts.

[C]

You know, Baldwin's whole career is kind of Dion Waiters. Everything he's in, He's. I mean, 30 rock. He is amazing. And it's, it's. I feel like it hasn't really lived on in a way that other huge

[A]

show characters have decided they didn't. Like al B.

[B]

No. 30 rock. You think goes.

[A]

I think people have turned on Al Baldwin a little.

[C]

He is amazing in 30 Rock. I think if it's like an all time character.

[A]

If he, if he does the Gene Hackman and just leaves in 2012 and we never see him again, we're talking about him. Reverential.

[B]

He's nowhere. I mean like, I think that there are other reasons why people turn on Alec Baldwin.

[A]

That's what I'm saying.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Hans says thanks for all the laughs. Huge fan of the show. Has a new idea for a flex category. It's the Sharon Stone going going gone award. The point in a movie where it actually goes from something you believe could happen to suspending all belief and Then just sitting back and enjoying the ride. An example, Die hard, when John McQueen jumps off the exploding roof of the fire hose loosely tied to his midsection. You're like, all right, I'm just gonna ride with this.

[B]

So this is a variation on the Dan Campbell Award.

[C]

Then the tank showing up in animal.

[A]

I think this is more so the reason he came up with this in honor of Sharon Stone, because she was on my podcast once and told me in an interview that she hit a home run in Dodger Stadium. To his credit, Bill didn't impress her. He just sat back and enjoyed the fact he was interviewing Sharon Stone. She did say.

[B]

Do you remember her saying that now?

[A]

I. After I got the email, I did. I didn't challenge it.

[B]

You didn't challenge her when she was like, I hit a home run at a major league baseball stadium?

[A]

Apparently not.

[B]

I guess I wouldn't either.

[C]

No. That's a smart play. Business decision.

[A]

But I like the. The Sharon Stone going. Going on.

[B]

That would have been great if you were like, was it the swing of the century?

[A]

Pat S. Wants us to do the Robert Duvall Lt. Col. Kilgore Surf Session Award for the character who loves their hobbies so much they do it in the most unusual circumstances possible. And he suggests the lead bad guy in Die Hard 2 doing naked Tai chi.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then Finch practicing putting in American Pie. And Apollo Creed's coach playing chess. And roller girl keeping her roller skates on. I don't know. I appreciate the theory. All right, a couple more here, quick. Travis, this is really good. Vincent Hannah brings Portman's character to the yard, drops her off in a gurney, and just starts ordering everyone around. I need a trauma surgeon, a vascular surgeon. She cut the main artery, arm. Why did nobody tell him to shut the fuck up and get to the waiting room? Like, what happens to everybody else?

[B]

Because he's a cop.

[A]

Okay. Luke Skywalker attends the pre flight meeting before the Death Star one, then starts talking about the size of rats in the home planet. Why did nobody turn around and ask him? Excuse me. Who the fuck are you? Rebel Alliance. There is something here. Yeah, The Vincent Hannah walking into an ER room of irrational confidence. I don't know. Last email from Jeff K. From New Jersey. Love the pod. I've listened to just about every episode since the beginning. And my buddy and I came to see you do the Creed live show in Philly. Yesterday I attended my daughter's elementary school production of Charlotte's Web. It was as boring as you can imagine. My daughter, a small part My mind began to wander. After a few minutes, I began thinking about what rewatchable awards I would give to the kids in the play.

[B]

Oh, shit.

[A]

And who won the movie to different kids. And it got me thinking. Have you ever applied rewatchables categories to other aspects of your life? Like when I gave the Dionne Waters Award to one of the kids. Regardless, thanks for helping me get through it. It is interesting, the concept of just applying the rewatchables to other parts of your life. Like, at a party, like, you just went to a wedding at Heifetz.

[C]

Yeah, right.

[A]

Who won the Dion Waiters Award at Heifetz's wedding?

[C]

There was a guy who hit, like, this really awesome dance right as Jump around came on.

[B]

Really?

[C]

And I'll never forget it.

[B]

What was Heifet's playlist? Like, mostly classics or more new stuff or what was it?

[C]

It was a dj. DJ who did a lot of blending so you could go from ABBA to Jump around to Shout. It was all over. It was good.

[B]

Who is the champion of the shout dancing at his wedding? Anybody? We would know.

[C]

Nobody you would know, but Heidz does a good job. Heifitz has, like, water people around the wedding, where every, like, half hour, he has people come and bring him water just to check in and make sure he's staying. He's staying level.

[A]

He had hydration experts. Yes.

[C]

He has hydration assistants that are always like, it's been a half an hour. I'm going to make sure Hypit has a water.

[A]

Wow, that's really smart.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

My wife and I recently were going through all the trips we had done since we had moved to la, and I. I realized I was doing what stage the best, what stage the worst with them, you know, like, where I was just, like, actually that, like, that experience was great or that restaurant was greater. It was amazing when the cat sat next to us in Croatia. But then, like, that was actually Dubrovnik sucked or whatever. Like, it was. It was fun.

[A]

Do you wish you had kept more notes of things that happened to you over the years so you could remember the details better?

[C]

Yeah, you know, journaling, essentially.

[B]

I try it every once in a while, and I find that, like, my journal entries are just too boring. They're just, like, went to work, did a podcast, came home, watched a movie. Like, you know, it's just. It's just not like when you read journals of people who are, like, fighting in this Spanish Civil War.

[C]

You could do the rewatchables categories for the first 10 years of the Ringer. Who's the Dion Waves?

[A]

That's interesting. We are heading up on the.

[C]

It's probably just. Was it June 1st we just passed.

[A]

Was that when it was. My biggest memory of the first actual day of the ringer is, did Mallory break Sean's shoulder or vice versa?

[B]

Somebody.

[A]

Mallory hugged Mal and knocked her shoulder out of.

[B]

No, it was. So I think someone hugged Mal and she, like, cracked a rib or, like, something with her shoulder or her rib. Yeah, it was.

[A]

I think it was her fault, though. She was over hugging somebody and cracked her own ribs.

[C]

Jesus.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

That was at a big bar celebrating the first day of the ringer. She's like, yeah, that was great. The other thing I remember, and then

[B]

I think Muhammad Ali died.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Right around then. Yeah. The other thing I remember, maybe it was the next year, we had a Fourth of July thing, and there was some. Somebody got traded or free agency or something, and we all had to start working at the July 4 thing.

[C]

There was a July 4, like, the biggest news bomb in ringer history, the

[B]

Kyrie Irving, I think. Well, the. The first. What I have, like, a clear, clear memory of is Prince Bowie and Muhammad Ali all dying, like, kind of in a cluster around each other. But I could be getting that wrong. Well, but I remember that being like, I think Muhammad Ali news broke at, like, midnight.

[A]

I thought it was the Kyrie Irving. It's not that we were actually prepared to handle that. We were all together, and then the Kyrie Irving trade happened, and we.

[C]

Just like a month after the ringer started, Durant signed with the warriors, I think July 2026. July 2016.

[A]

Yep. That was a big one. The. The Anthony Davis. That happened on a. Was it the Kawhi thing? Happened on a Friday night? Remember, we're waiting. The.

[B]

That was the earthquake, and it was

[A]

the same day as the earthquake. Yeah, that was a good one.

[C]

Even Luca was a Saturday night, I think, or Friday night. Yeah.

[B]

I was at Long Legs.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Got out, and it was like, holy.

[A]

Is that true? You had the phone off.

[B]

I was just in the movie theater, and when I walked out, it was like, Luca got trade. No, wait. Long Legs is when Trump got shot. Long. Luca. Luca was. I can't remember what happened.

[C]

Why?

[B]

I was in a movie.

[C]

It was like, January, February.

[B]

I was seeing the movie Companion, and when I came out, Luca had been traded.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. When we started the ringer, I don't think the Pats had won the super bowl that year, but it was still. The Patriots were in control of football The warriors were winning 73, but then lost the finals to the.

[C]

2016 is one of the craziest years in sports.

[A]

The Cubs. The Cubs had the World series that year.

[C]

18 inning game or whatever.

[A]

The two biggest musicians we had were Adele and Kanye.

[B]

The summer that TV summer was Thrones. But I also think Stranger Things premiered that summer.

[A]

Stranger Things premiered.

[C]

It was the 20. It was the 23 comeback was 2016 season. I think it was 2017 when the super bowl was played, but that was the 2016 season.

[A]

Honestly, we won so many Super Bowls. I can't remember the years.

[C]

UNC Villanova was a national champion that year with like the back to back buzzer beater.

[A]

That's.

[B]

Oh, the Jay Wright, the. What do you say? Bang.

[C]

Or didn't say anything.

[B]

He just. He just. He just like walked. Walked it off, right?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And then Sal and I lost our parlay of Hillary Clinton to win the presidency with the Pats to win the afc.

[B]

Oh, I remember that bet.

[A]

Huge bet. And the Pats were pet. The Pats in late October had like a six game lead.

[C]

What were Hillary's odds?

[A]

Hillary even two days before we could have hedged with Trump at plus 500 and we decided not to and ride it out. So that was a tough loss, but. And then we lost on the warriors was the other one in 2016. We had them. We could have hedged after game four. Draymond got suspended. Really was like.

[C]

It was a crazy year.

[B]

That's a 73, three game season, right?

[C]

Yeah, yeah, unfortunately.

[A]

That's one of the craziest years of my lifetime. Just in general of just things happening.

[C]

In the middle of it.

[A]

We lunch, the ring.

[C]

Lester one.

[B]

Oh, shit.

[C]

It was the craziest year of the 21st century in sports also.

[A]

I had a show that was on HBO every week and then got canceled. That happened in 2016.

[B]

And you. That's when you like couldn't see for three weeks. Remember your contact thing was.

[A]

Was longer than that.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you know that story?

[C]

No,

[A]

I couldn't. I couldn't see. And I thought it was stress from the ringer and my HBO show.

[C]

Like everything was blurry.

[A]

Like we would have the teleprompter and I couldn't see it. And I was like. And I was getting these huge headaches and I thought I had like a brain tumor. And I actually did have skin cancer, which was a separate thing that I had to removed from my forehead, but I couldn't see. And it turned out when you hit your mid-40s, your eyesight can shift sometimes if you have bad eyesight and get better.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, whoa.

[A]

So my contacts, which were like minus 11s, my prescription went down to like minus nine and a half.

[C]

Improves.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That's crazy.

[A]

So I was constantly, like, doing this and I couldn't. I couldn't see in focus. And I was like, I'm fucking dying. What it. And that happened to me as I'm trying to do the Ringer and the HBO show, and I thought I was having, like, a mental breakdown.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

And it was just my contacts were too strong. So a little cautionary tale out there for everybody.

[B]

Just get your eyes checked.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

If you have an HBO show, make

[B]

sure your eyes are checked.

[A]

Well, I went to the doctor, he's like, oh, yeah, this happens to Everybody in their mid-40s. It's like, well, nobody fucking told me that. That my contacts would go from minus 11.

[B]

Not yet. My, I think, is getting worse.

[A]

Your asset's getting worse.

[B]

I will, I think also it's been 10 years of, like, kind of looking at my phone like this, and now it's like my. My. I need, like. I mean, I have readers, but I need progressive lenses and stuff.

[A]

So, yeah, I've just. I won't wear reading glasses, so I just can't see. Even if you can see in the. When I'm doing the mailbag, I'm like, I've just learned how to live with it. It's what we do in the rewatch.

[B]

We just. We just string it together.

[C]

That's why it's been Sasha Jenkins for three.

[B]

That's why you were like Tim Masterson.

[A]

Sasha Jensen must be so fucking mad at us just doing Sasha Jenkins over and over again. All right. Thanks, Sierra. Thanks, Craig. Thanks, Ghaff.

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