‘The Replacements’ With Bill Simmons and Van Lathan - The Rewatchables

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Release Date: November 19, 2024
Host: The Ringer’s Bill Simmons
Guests: Todd McShay, Van Lathan, and Craig Krobeck

Introduction

In the latest episode of The Rewatchables, host Bill Simmons alongside guests Todd McShay, Van Lathan, and Craig Krobeck delve deep into the nuances of rewatchable movies, focusing primarily on the 2000 sports film "The Replacements." The conversation navigates through personal anecdotes, critical analyses, and humorous exchanges, providing listeners with a comprehensive exploration of what makes a movie worthy of multiple viewings.

Rewatching "The Replacements"

Initial Impressions and Evolution of Taste

Todd McShay begins by reflecting on his early skepticism towards "The Replacements." In 2001, he penned a critical piece mocking the film's clichéd characters and predictable plot:

"It's like by about 2007 I was like, I think I like this movie." ([04:20])

However, over the years, his perspective shifted, finding unexpected enjoyment in the film's enduring charm and cultural relevance.

Impact of Sports Culture on Movie Perception

Van Lathan discusses how changing sports dynamics have recontextualized the film:

"Sports culture changed. And so now The Replacements as a movie is actually a relic to how we used to look at sports." ([05:10])

The movie, set against the backdrop of labor strikes, initially portrayed players as greedy antagonists and owners as the benevolent protagonists. Today, the narrative feels quaint, mirroring past attitudes that have since evolved.

Character Analysis: Shane Falco and Eddie Martell

The duo scrutinizes key characters, highlighting Keanu Reeves' portrayal of Shane Falco and Gene Hackman's Eddie Martell:

"Shane Falco watches the first half of the big game on his boat... And then he's in the locker room in four minutes. It's absurd." ([07:58])

Eddie Martell, depicted as an arrogant and unlikable quarterback, draws parallels to real-life NFL figures like Aaron Rodgers. The characters embody quintessential sports movie archetypes, contributing to the film's rewatchable status despite its flaws.

Clichés and Tropes in Sports Movies

A significant portion of the discussion centers around the ubiquitous clichés present in "The Replacements," which ironically enhance its rewatchability:

Locker Room Speech: Falco's impassioned plea to his team encapsulates the motivational pinnacle common in sports narratives.

"You're in over your head, like quicksand. That quicksand, right?" ([36:49])
Bar Brawls and On-Field Antics: From keg fights to impromptu dances, the film leans heavily into exaggerated sports scenarios.
Token Characters: The inclusion of diverse yet stereotypical roles, such as the deaf tight end and the comic relief, adds layers of predictable humor.

These elements, while criticized for their lack of originality, resonate with audiences seeking familiar and comforting storytelling patterns.

Keanu Reeves: From A-Lister to Cult Favorite

Van Lathan and McShay explore Keanu Reeves' career trajectory, emphasizing his transformation from mainstream star to a beloved figure in cult classics like "John Wick." They discuss his versatility and the occasional unintended comedy in his performances:

"It's also really funny sometimes when he delivers lines, when he has reactions." ([14:11])

This ongoing evolution mirrors the film's own journey from overlooked to cherished, underscoring the dynamic nature of both actor careers and movie legacies.

Comparisons with Other Sports Films

The conversation broadens to compare "The Replacements" with other notable sports movies, assessing their cultural impact and storytelling effectiveness:

"Remember the Titans" and "Friday Night Lights": Praised for their depth and authentic portrayal of sports culture.
"Any Given Sunday" and "The Longest Yard": Highlighted for their memorable speeches and character-driven narratives.

These comparisons serve to contextualize "The Replacements" within the broader sports film genre, highlighting its unique yet flawed position.

Nitpicks and Critical Observations

The hosts engage in a detailed critique, pinpointing inconsistencies and underdeveloped plotlines within "The Replacements":

Logistical Plot Holes: Questions arise about character movements and motivations, such as Shane Falco's swift transition from boat to locker room.

"How close was the doc to the football stadium?" ([86:07])
Underutilized Characters: The potential backstories and relationships of supporting characters remain unexplored, leaving gaps in the narrative fabric.

These observations, while highlighting the film's shortcomings, also contribute to its charm as a rewatchable piece that listeners revisit to dissect and discuss.

Conclusion: The Enduring Appeal of "The Replacements"

Despite its myriad flaws and reliance on outdated tropes, "The Replacements" maintains a steadfast place in the realm of rewatchable films. The hosts conclude that its combination of familiar sports narratives, charismatic performances, and nostalgic elements render it a worthy subject for repeated viewing and analysis.

Notable Quotes

Todd McShay on Keanu's Performance:

"They said he was the best quarterback in the league and he was an arrogant prick. Yeah, you're right. I can't believe I didn't make the Rodgers connection." ([07:40])
Van Lathan on Film Credibility:

"Anytime you put him [Gene Hackman] in a movie, the movie has automatic credibility with me." ([20:03])
On Sports Movie Speeches:

"The best one is probably Billy Bob Thornton in Friday Night Lights." ([42:35])

Final Thoughts

The Rewatchables episode offers an insightful and entertaining exploration of "The Replacements," blending critical analysis with personal reflections. For fans of sports films and rewatchable classics, this discussion provides ample food for thought and nostalgia.

Quotes and timestamps are attributed to respective speakers for authenticity and context.

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[00:00]
Todd McShay
What's happening? It's Todd McShay and I'm back with a new home and a new show at the Ringer and Spotify. The McShay Show. It's a video and audio podcast coming to you year round with all my NFL draft information, big boards, mock drafts, and player movement. Plus, I'll be chatting with some of my best friends in football, including some of your favorite football analysts during the week. We'll have episodes on Tuesdays and Thursdays that will include discussions about my player rankings, who's rising, who's falling, and who your NFL team should be keeping an eye on. Plus, we'll be reacting each week to the College Football Playoff polls and giving you previews and picks for each Saturday slate. In addition, I'll have episodes on Saturday nights with my immediate reaction to the full day in college football every week. So if you love the college game, the NFL, the draft, or all of it like me, make sure to like, follow, subscribe and get ready for the McShay show on, on the Ringer, Spotify and wherever you watch or listen to podcasts.
[01:02]
Van Lathan
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Todd McShay
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Van Lathan
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Todd McShay
The rewatchables is brought to you by the Ringer Podcast Network where you can find higher learning with Van Lathan. Yep, the Midnight Boys with Van Lathan.
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Van Lathan
Pew pew.
[01:59]
Todd McShay
You still doing that? Are there still Marvel and DC comic movies coming out or not?
[02:03]
Van Lathan
You know what? So this is what.
[02:05]
Todd McShay
What's going on in that universe?
[02:06]
Van Lathan
Anything?
[02:07]
Todd McShay
Star Wars.
[02:07]
Van Lathan
I can't wait for 2025. First of all, skeleton GRU's coming out.
[02:10]
Todd McShay
Are you back?
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Van Lathan
2025 is gonna be the most consequential year in the history of superhero movies.
[02:17]
Todd McShay
Really?
[02:18]
Van Lathan
Superman. Fantastic Four. Superman.
[02:20]
Todd McShay
Superman.
[02:21]
Van Lathan
Wow.
[02:21]
Todd McShay
They've never made a Superman movie.
[02:23]
Van Lathan
Why are you.
[02:24]
Todd McShay
What's the angle gonna be? Let me guess. He comes from another planet and has superpowers. And then bad people try. Oh wait, I've seen that nine times.
[02:32]
Van Lathan
You know What? I love it because this is your product, the podcast. So making people uninterested in what it is that we do.
[02:39]
Todd McShay
Why don't they create new superheroes? We can't get a plastic man movie.
[02:42]
Van Lathan
There's a lot of. But this is. But see. Okay, let me.
[02:45]
Todd McShay
Seven Supermans. We can't get one plastic bin.
[02:47]
Van Lathan
Superman is the beginning of the revamped DC universe. So you'll have access to all types of new and different. They got Mr. Terrific in this one. Black superhero guy, smartest guy in the world.
[03:00]
Todd McShay
Mr. Terrific. I like that.
[03:01]
Van Lathan
Mr. Terrific is his name. So there are some new characters. Exactly. So Superman Fantastic Four comes out next year. The Thunderbolts.
[03:08]
Todd McShay
Well, the Penguin was good.
[03:09]
Van Lathan
The Penguin was fantastic. Look at you.
[03:11]
Todd McShay
So maybe we're getting better.
[03:12]
Van Lathan
2025 gigantic year.
[03:14]
Todd McShay
I can't wait. We'll cover it in the Ringer verse. You can follow all of the videos and clips from this podcast on The Ringer Movies YouTube channel. We're about to do a movie that has worn me down over the years. I can't believe we're doing it. The Replacements is next. They had other commitments and other careers. So that style of dancing I would be. Is lap dancing a style?
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Van Lathan
Let's play some football. But on the field.
[03:37]
Todd McShay
Not bad.
[03:37]
Van Lathan
Falco.
[03:38]
Todd McShay
They were out to prove they belong to each other.
[03:44]
Van Lathan
Yo. Unbelievable. Keanu Reeves, Gene Hackman. That's gonna live a mark.
[03:52]
Todd McShay
The replace rated PG 13.
[03:54]
Van Lathan
Sneak preview this Saturday starts Friday, August 11th.
[04:02]
Todd McShay
All right. Bam. The wear you down rewatchable movies. Movies that you never considered would be in your life when you saw them the first time. I was like, eh. I wrote about this movie for Espin in 2001. I made fun of it for 3000 words but still enjoyed it.
[04:20]
Van Lathan
What was your take then on your first view?
[04:24]
Todd McShay
This is what I wrote in 2001.
[04:26]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[04:26]
Todd McShay
You know what you're getting even before it begins? Keanu Hackman. A cast of motley, cliched characters, some football scenes and a happy ending. It reminds me of the summer when my old roommate Birdman grew a ghastly goatee. Which was best described by our buddy Nick's father as, quote, delightfully unappealing. That's the Replacements. That's what I wrote in 2001. And since then it's been on. It's like by about 2007 I was like, I think I like this movie. 2012. I texted you about a month ago. Cause it came on after an NBA game and they just went right into their replacements. And of course I started watching it and I was like, the Replacements are on. And you're like, oh, I know. Yeah, I'm watching with Kalika. How did this happen? How did this become a rewatchable?
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Van Lathan
Sports culture changed. And so now the Replacements as a movie is actually a relic to how we used to look at sports. Oh, when the movie first starts, when.
[05:21]
Todd McShay
We love scabs, kinda.
[05:24]
Van Lathan
I'm serious.
[05:25]
Todd McShay
That's true.
[05:25]
Van Lathan
This movie casts the players as the greedy bad guys. The genteel old owner as kind of, at least in the beginning, as the nice guy who's being screwed over by these greedy millionaire players. By the greedy millionaire players. That's completely changed.
[05:43]
Todd McShay
You're right.
[05:44]
Van Lathan
So you look at it now. The players are labor. They're the good guys. The owners are these ridiculous capitalist titans. They're the bad guys. So when you look at this movie, there's a quaintness about it. Cause we really do not look at sports, particularly football. Like, we looked at that stuff when the movie first came out.
[06:02]
Todd McShay
I thought we were gonna do this later, but I'm glad we're doing it now. So this movie comes out in 2000. This is a year after the NBA lockout, which pissed people off.
[06:13]
Van Lathan
Super mad.
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Todd McShay
Six years after the baseball strike, which pissed people off. And the theme was, these guys are so lucky to play sports. How dare they? How dare they think they should be paid whatever. Like, come, just play your games and entertain us. And you're right. In 2024, that's like an impossible theme. It would be the, like. If you made this movie now, you could argue the owner's evil, the replacement players are evil, and the good guys would be these guys trying to basically break up their replacements so they can come back and play the Cowboys and cross the line and settle the strike.
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Van Lathan
The version of this movie now is the actual players go and start playing in like a flag football league or something like that. It's a different.
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Todd McShay
Oh, like a billionaire funds a flag football game so they can make money. Yeah, that's a good idea.
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Van Lathan
It's like they actually go play something different. But it's literally about how they can't get what they want from their owners, and so they have to go do something else. It's definitely not a situation where someone crosses a picket line and becomes a hero. No fucking way.
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Todd McShay
They flip his car, they throw eggs at the bus. And you're like, look at these guys. What jerks throwing eggs at the bus.
[07:25]
Van Lathan
The nice players who are striking for more money.
[07:28]
Todd McShay
Right.
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Van Lathan
Or locked out.
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Todd McShay
Well, think about the Eddie Martell character, the villain in this movie, the old quarterback. I don't even know. Like, we don't. We'd never have a character like that now. We don't even have a person like that in sports.
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Van Lathan
Well, we do.
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Todd McShay
Who is it?
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Van Lathan
Aaron Rodgers.
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Todd McShay
Oh, that's a great point.
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Van Lathan
Yeah.
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Todd McShay
I'm trying to think Eddie Martell is Aaron Rodgers.
[07:49]
Van Lathan
Just a deeply unlikable. And look, you guys, I'm not talking about his political or social beliefs. Aaron Rodgers is an entitled, arrogant, arrogant teammate.
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Todd McShay
Yeah, yeah.
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Van Lathan
Like, so he's kind of. Yeah.
[08:01]
Todd McShay
The one he did to Mike Williams this year backs that up, threw him under the bus. Mike Williams catches a touchdown pass for the Steelers, takes shots back at him on Instagram.
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Van Lathan
Yeah, so that's kind of that guy. But it would take a long time for us to get to the point where we don't like that guy. At the end of the movie where Martel says, hey, I'm an all pro two time super bowl champ, I was like, this guy's pretty impressive man.
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Todd McShay
Right?
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Van Lathan
He's kind of the man.
[08:27]
Todd McShay
They said he was the best quarterback in the league and he was an arrogant prick. Yeah, you're right. I can't believe I didn't make the Rodgers connection. Yeah, Rodgers is Eddie Martel. It's a good one. Well, the plot was loosely based on the 1987 NFL strike when teams hired scab players. There was the Washington Redskins at the time. They actually got a boost from their strike players and that helped them, I think, eventually win the Super Bowl.
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Van Lathan
People still came to the games to really kind of destroy labor in the NFL, for all intents and purposes.
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Todd McShay
Well, they had another strike in 82, which I forgot because I was reading up on this and I was like, I might have blocked. This might have been so traumatic. Like when something terrible happens to you as a kid and you block it out of your mind and usually it's something horrible. I think for me it was the 82 NFL strike. I think it was so traumatic, I blocked it out of my mind. They didn't play football for eight weeks and I don't even. 1982, I'm 13. I don't really remember it because I think I must have been so upset, I just shelved it in my head. Can you imagine not having football for eight weeks?
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Van Lathan
Can you imagine the cataclysm if it.
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Todd McShay
Happened now with the gambling fantasy infrastructure?
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Van Lathan
The gambling fantasy thing. If week two, they just say, fuck it, we on strike and they don't come back Till like, week 10.
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Todd McShay
Craig, what would happen if we had a, if we had a strike this season starting week two? Would that be the most traumatic American event of the 21st century?
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Van Lathan
Yeah.
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Craig Krobeck
What it would do to fantasy. I mean it would be the biggest thing since demar Hamlin ended the Chiefs Bills game and nobody knew what to do when they had like Jamar Chase.
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Todd McShay
Or it would be that like times.
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Craig Krobeck
Twice, maybe that for 10 straight weeks.
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Todd McShay
I don't think feel like they could be on strike for more than a week because I think people would be so mad. Like so many tens of millions of people would be like, you guys are ending this now. Like, you better get.
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Van Lathan
Like, we are so football oriented.
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Todd McShay
People would lose their minds.
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Craig Krobeck
But imagine if you could have a new fantasy draft with all the replacement players.
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Van Lathan
That would be actually kind of funny now. But see, but here's something else though.
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Todd McShay
Like Shane Falco, second round.
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Van Lathan
Here's the thing about the replacement players. Now we get a taste of the replacement players. We see it. We see it in the xfl.
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Todd McShay
Oh true.
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Van Lathan
We see it in the usfl. We see it, we see, we see.
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Craig Krobeck
It with the Panthers.
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Todd McShay
It's the quarterback playing the blocking. Are the two. Yeah, we see it with the Panthers every week. So Keanu Reeves, this kicks off just a bizarre stretch of his career. He's got the Matrix the year before.
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Van Lathan
Yeah.
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Todd McShay
So he's got Point Break. He does a bunch of good movies in the 90s. Speed. He becomes an A lister. He's in a devil's advocate. He's hitting a bunch of them. Matrix kind of goats him for the 90s as like a real A lister that we remember.
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Van Lathan
Comes a poster boy of a whole type of movie.
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Todd McShay
You would have bought a ton of stock for him in the 2000s. Like what's next for this guy? This guy's an A lister. And then he gives us the replacements, the watcher, the gift. Sweet November Hardball. A movie we've done on the rewatchables that we have strong feelings about. Something's got to give Constantine Echo, a skater, darkling by 2006, the lake house. And he's just. That's it. And it kind of starts with this movie where he loses the A list and doesn't really get it back until John Wick 2014. This starts a 14 year sabbatical from being an A lister. Yeah, but in 2000 I went to the theater to see the Replacements. Cause Keanu was in it smoking hot.
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Van Lathan
He was just. The Matrix was a game changer in film. He's Draymond Green.
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Todd McShay
What does that mean?
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Van Lathan
Meaning has a plethora of tools, but you gotta have him in the right situation.
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Todd McShay
So, right, you can't have him. You can't be like, Draymond, we need 35 from you tonight.
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Van Lathan
No, he's gotta be in the right situation. John Wick is perfect. Speed is perfect.
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Todd McShay
Probably the less words, the better when you. Keanu.
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Van Lathan
But when you let him do his thing. And Draymond, when you let him do his thing, he can give you hall of Fame characters, but he's not the type of guy that you could put him in Washington, Orlando or New York, Houston, and he's gonna be a Hall of Famer wherever he's gotta be, put in the right position. And he learned that throughout the 2000s. Because all of those roles.
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Todd McShay
Speed is the perfect role for him.
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Van Lathan
Kind of speed. It's. There's a speed matrix, John Wick, triumph.
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Todd McShay
I throw Point Break into Point Break as well. Although it's a little of some overacting in there that makes us love Point Break.
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Van Lathan
But when he's. I am an FBI agent, but even that. But that works, though. That works, though.
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Todd McShay
It did.
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Van Lathan
That works, but. And the rest of the 2000s. Show me that. And he likes to do the occasional weird movie. He fucks around a little bit.
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Todd McShay
He did, yeah. I would say you could even argue he might not have the best taste in scripts. He's made 20 bad movies. Like, bad.
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Van Lathan
I know, but I also do think that there's a part of him, he seems like one of those guys who almost doesn't know what the limits of his actual wheelhouse are. Because there are other times where he's in films where you go, huh? Like a fantastic performance in, say, Parenthood.
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Todd McShay
I was gonna say Parenthood.
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Van Lathan
Or a fantastic performance in. What's the Gus Van Zandt movie? My Own Private Idaho.
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Todd McShay
Right.
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Van Lathan
A fantastic performance in Gilbert Grape. You know what I mean? He's in that one, right?
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Todd McShay
Maybe he was in one of those around that era, whatever.
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Van Lathan
But in these films, he tries it a little bit and it works. But in other ones, he tries to get us there, and it just. It doesn't come together.
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Todd McShay
There's something else he brought to the table.
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Van Lathan
What?
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Todd McShay
Unintentional comedy. Right. It was a huge part of the Keanu package. It's something that Matt Damon doesn't have. Somebody who. I like him. I'm rooting for him. But it's also really funny sometimes when he delivers lines, when he has reactions. Arnold schwarzenegger was a 100 out of 100 on the unintentional communist scale. Keanu is in the 90s and has some scenes in this where I don't think he knew who this character was. He kind of plays him as almost like he's had too many concussions.
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Van Lathan
Yeah. Which he says. Yeah.
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Todd McShay
And he's just kind of like, says his lines like this, but it works. But it's also funny.
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Van Lathan
It's his attempt at a burnout.
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Todd McShay
Yeah.
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Van Lathan
People don't know how hard it is to play a burnout. To play a burnout. And, like, someone with a light has come out of their eyes. He's got the light in his eyes. I could see he's down at the bottom of the fucking ocean. In the first scene, Running plays right.
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Todd McShay
With a metal trophy.
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Van Lathan
With a metal trophy. He's still got the fire in him.
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Todd McShay
You know, there's that scene when she goes to visit him and she's like, what are you doing? And he goes, oh, my job. You're a professional football player. The girl says, sure, this week. But when that's all over, you know, I'll be back here. I don't want to lose my customers. Like, he's just delivering. He's not. It's almost like a. Like a. Like a work in wrestling.
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Van Lathan
You shitting on this man so bad right now. He's.
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Todd McShay
This is how he acts in the movie. But this is what I like about the movie.
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Van Lathan
I know I can't.
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Todd McShay
I guarantee Keanu is not like, man, I nailed the replacements. But, you know, he has multiple scenes where you're like, why didn't they do another take of this?
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Van Lathan
I will say this, though. I will say this, though. That same type of attitude works when, say, the guys flip his car over because he's supposed to be so nonchalant about it. So, like, virtuous in a way that you can't get a rise out of him. And so it works there. The fact that it doesn't seem like anything sticks to him.
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Todd McShay
He stays with it the whole movie. Like, even when he loses his job, he goes to the bar and he's like, I'm not going to be there on Thursday. And they're like, what? They stop it and he tells the team. And you think it's going to be this big speech, and it's just.
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Van Lathan
He never has it. He doesn't do it.
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Todd McShay
His quicksand speech is good, though. I like Keanu in this movie. I think one of the reasons it's rewatchable is now we have this whole John Wick history with him too, where he's so fucking cool. And John Wick, he hasn't really figured out the cool part, how to do in this movie, but I still like it. Gene Hackman's also in this movie, which I was outraged by in 2000 because he was Norman Dalen, Hoosiers, one of the great coach performances. And it's like, why are you being a coach again? Like, what do you mean?
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Van Lathan
Well, now you know why. Why this was. We only have four more years. So this was part of his retirement package, right?
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Todd McShay
So we have this. He's in the Mexican in 01. He's in Heartbreakers, where you get horny. Hackman.
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Van Lathan
I love Heartbreakers.
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Todd McShay
Heartbreakers.
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Van Lathan
We've never talked about my love for heartbreakers. Sigourney. And a prime Jennifer Love Hewitt. J Love, who at that point, seductress, fighting for the title of number one white girl.
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Todd McShay
Oh, yeah.
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Van Lathan
It's like, really? They're going. Cause in the 2000s, the title, the number one white girl crown was really being pulled back and forth. A lot of contenders, A lot of contenders. And J gets in there, right there. J Lo.
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Todd McShay
That was when you were cataloging your.
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Van Lathan
Maxim magazines, fhm, Maxim, the whole deal. You were getting different takes on it, all different types.
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Todd McShay
Tara Reid, like just a brief two month run.
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Van Lathan
She flirted with it.
[17:44]
Todd McShay
Faded out.
[17:45]
Van Lathan
She flirted with it. And then I saw this thing on.
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Todd McShay
Charlize came off the top rope with her. Where'd she come from?
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Van Lathan
When Charlize came, she was doing her thing. The thing with Tara Reid was I saw her one time on this MTV Ludacris did this, like MTV video Making of the Video Ludacris type of situation. And he went to lunch and Tara Reid was at the lunch. And I was like, I already know what's up.
[18:14]
Todd McShay
What does that mean?
[18:16]
Van Lathan
Figure it out.
[18:16]
Todd McShay
Okay. Heist 2001 for Gene Royal, Tannenbaums, Behind Enemy Lines, Runaway Jury, and can you guess the last Movie he did?
[18:27]
Van Lathan
2004, last Gene Hackman movie. So you did. You said roll Tenenbaums.
[18:33]
Todd McShay
Yeah.
[18:34]
Van Lathan
Oh, I know he. They re released the Donner cut of Superman 2007 doesn't count. Okay.
[18:40]
Todd McShay
Welcome to Mooseport.
[18:42]
Van Lathan
Oh, welcome to Mooseport. Where he plays. It's like the President.
[18:44]
Todd McShay
So Gene could have had this whole late 70s, early 80s run as like the old guy and been like a judge. And he was like, I'm out. Yeah, I made enough money.
[18:54]
Van Lathan
That's Ray Romano, right? Who becomes the President of the United States or something. No, I forget. Whatever. Whatever. Yeah. But then after that. So Gene Hackman's done. So when you look at some of those movies, he's fattening up the wallet a little bit before it's time to get out of here.
[19:07]
Todd McShay
I wrote down in my notes, he's basically Norman Dale with a fedora and a mustache and three drinks. And him. Yeah, that's. That's his. He has quotes like, winners always want the ball when the game's on the line. Yeah, a lot of cliche quotes. I look at you and I see two men. The man you are and the man you ought to be. These are actual lines from the script, by the way.
[19:28]
Van Lathan
He's. He's the Judd Nelson Award. He's in a completely different movie.
[19:32]
Todd McShay
100%.
[19:33]
Van Lathan
He's in a very serious football. Yeah.
[19:36]
Todd McShay
Let's just give him Judd Nelson. Now a real man admits his fears. There can only be one leader out there. You be it.
[19:42]
Van Lathan
Right. He comes.
[19:43]
Todd McShay
It's like, did you guys work on these lines at all or you just decided to just have Gene say them?
[19:48]
Van Lathan
He's like a. What's the old. He's like Tom Landry out there kind of coaching up the guys. Here's the thing about him. When I watched this movie, I remember that he also automatically gave the movie credibility because a lot of these actors that are in the film, beyond Keanu Reeves.
[20:04]
Todd McShay
Yeah, there are a lot of people.
[20:05]
Van Lathan
It's a motley crew of guys who we would know better going on, but we didn't really know well then. And Gene Hackman was in his final form when I came to know who he was.
[20:15]
Todd McShay
Yeah.
[20:15]
Van Lathan
So anytime you put him in a movie, the movie has automatic credibility with me. It's.
[20:20]
Todd McShay
I completely agree. I didn't feel that way in 2000. I wrote. I kept hoping Barbara Hershey would emerge from the stands dressed in all black and shoot him in the chest. Remember, she was the bad. The black lady in black and the natural.
[20:32]
Van Lathan
Right. Yeah.
[20:32]
Todd McShay
But now I've come around. Also, he gets to be in scenes with Jack Warden. This was Jack Warden's last movie after. Yeah, he has lines like, I've seen monkey shit fights in the zoo that were. Morgan as this. He played the Sentinels owner, Edward O'Neill. He was also in two other football movies. Can you name them? Jack Warden, secret sports movie hall of Famer. Like, maybe not. Maybe not. Elected the same way like a Keanu would be. But he was not.
[21:03]
Van Lathan
Was he in Heaven Can Wait.
[21:04]
Todd McShay
What did the Oscars do? The lifetime achievement. When the old Guy gets it. I think he might get in late.
[21:08]
Van Lathan
Was he in Heaven Can Wait?
[21:09]
Todd McShay
He was crucial role in Heaven Can Wait. He played Max and then he played the coach of the Bears. George Hallis and Brian Song. The saddest sports movie of all time.
[21:17]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[21:18]
Todd McShay
You've seen Brian Song, right?
[21:19]
Van Lathan
Nah, I don't fuck with it.
[21:20]
Todd McShay
TV movie. What do you mean you don't fuck with it? It's about Gail Sayers.
[21:23]
Van Lathan
I know, I know it's about Brian Piccolo. I get it. But I've seen. Once you see the one scene in it, I feel like that's the whole movie. I'm not trying to be like. I've seen like really grown guys get super emotional about this shit. I'm not trying to do that whole shit, man. It means a lot to you, doesn't it?
[21:40]
Todd McShay
I think it's an important football movie. I just thought. I just thought differently that I will. I just thought you knew your football movies.
[21:49]
Van Lathan
Well, I know the movie.
[21:50]
Todd McShay
I'm sorry.
[21:50]
Van Lathan
And I know the scene, but not the scene.
[21:53]
Todd McShay
It's the whole thing.
[21:54]
Van Lathan
Okay, what else about. By the way, before you guys get super pissed off. I'm not pissing on Brian.
[21:59]
Todd McShay
No, the movie came out in 1970. I'm not gonna watch it.
[22:02]
Van Lathan
They remade it.
[22:03]
Todd McShay
No, I didn't watch the remake.
[22:04]
Van Lathan
Who did they have? They had Omar Epps in that joint.
[22:06]
Todd McShay
It's bullshit. They remade it.
[22:07]
Van Lathan
Mika Pfeiffer.
[22:08]
Todd McShay
Anyway, there's a bunch of sports movie cliche characters that you've definitely seen before that they brought together in this movie, including the floundering QB who needs to turn his life around. Shane Footsteps Falco. Yeah, we'll get to his Footsteps thing later.
[22:23]
Van Lathan
Right.
[22:24]
Todd McShay
The token psychopath, a SWAT team officer, crazy linebacker played by Jon Favreau. This has to be the weirdest thing about this movie. 24 years later that Jon Favreau is the Brian Bosworth, Ray Lewis, I don't know, whoever crazy middle linebacker character. It's dumbfounding.
[22:48]
Van Lathan
This is the stuff that makes a movie rewatchable.
[22:51]
Todd McShay
Yes.
[22:51]
Van Lathan
You have Orlando Jones, who's going on to have a great career, but who also.
[22:55]
Todd McShay
He plays the comic relief black guy. The Billy Mays Hayes role.
[22:59]
Van Lathan
He achieved cultural ubiquity as the 7up guy.
[23:03]
Todd McShay
Yep.
[23:03]
Van Lathan
But now has gone on to have a great career. You have Jon Favreau while he was still trying to be an actor.
[23:10]
Todd McShay
And by the way, it felt like it was going badly of him trying.
[23:14]
Van Lathan
To be an actor.
[23:14]
Todd McShay
Well. Cause now he's in this movie. It Felt like he's kind of. He had been on Friends. He was hosting that IFC show that I really liked. Actually, that part, Dinner for five, whatever. But it felt like the moment it kind of passed him and Vince Vaughn was going to be a bigger star. Well, yeah, he flipped the script.
[23:30]
Van Lathan
Well, Vince Vaughn. Well, he flipped the script because he got back to his roots. I mean, remember.
[23:33]
Todd McShay
Well, he does Iron man in 08.
[23:34]
Van Lathan
Iron man in 08. But he really came into the game as more of a creator, as an actor as well. Because he wrote Swingers. Right. But during this time, you still were used to seeing him on screen. Now we still see him on screen.
[23:49]
Todd McShay
We just thought he was gonna be an actor. We didn't know he was gonna be like a director person.
[23:52]
Van Lathan
Right. And then that completely changed. So when you see it now, that also gives the movie a little novelty.
[23:57]
Todd McShay
He was in Rocky Marciano, the Showtime movie.
[23:59]
Van Lathan
Rock Marciano. He was in.
[24:02]
Todd McShay
I mean, he ripped in this movie. He did.
[24:04]
Van Lathan
No, he is in great shape. And that's another thing.
[24:06]
Todd McShay
Craig, were you surprised?
[24:07]
Craig Krobeck
Yeah. I'm curious what he was taking behind the scenes. Something going on.
[24:11]
Todd McShay
I don't think there was testing on the set that.
[24:14]
Van Lathan
Probably not that year. All of these guys take something, though.
[24:17]
Todd McShay
He was a believable, like Bill Romanowski type middle eyeback.
[24:20]
Van Lathan
You forget that he is actually a really great actor. He still acts, by the way, still MCU stuff, Chef, all that stuff. But he.
[24:27]
Todd McShay
We have the token crazy foreigner. The drunk, chain smoking Welsh field goal kicker.
[24:31]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[24:32]
Todd McShay
Played by the guy from Notting Hill.
[24:35]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[24:36]
Todd McShay
He says things like, you just hold it and I'll kick the bloody piss out of it.
[24:42]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[24:42]
Todd McShay
I kind of liked him. He smokes during scenes in games.
[24:45]
Van Lathan
His bookies travel.
[24:46]
Todd McShay
Yeah, his bookies travel across. Unrealistic. You have to owe a lot of money. I think you're flying in from England.
[24:52]
Van Lathan
To watch England to watch the game and intimidate from the stands. They travel across the sea to get to him.
[24:59]
Todd McShay
In the epilogue of this movie, that guy just gets shot behind the stadium after the game. He's done. We have so fast black guy who can't catch.
[25:08]
Van Lathan
Which they do in every Motley Crue football. Like they even did it in the little movie was like the little Giants or whatever. The kid can't catch like fast black guy. You like that one?
[25:18]
Todd McShay
It's like Billy Mays hate Billy.
[25:20]
Van Lathan
Maybe you see Craig. Craig.
[25:21]
Craig Krobeck
I just saw that movie growing up.
[25:23]
Van Lathan
Like, Craig. Craig likes that one. Billy Mays Hayes.
[25:25]
Craig Krobeck
I was acknowledging you were correct.
[25:26]
Todd McShay
Can't hit for power.
[25:27]
Van Lathan
Can't hit for power. Super athletic. Can't do the skill thing. We see what y'all do.
[25:32]
Todd McShay
The two bouncers turned offensive lineman.
[25:34]
Van Lathan
Yep.
[25:36]
Todd McShay
The intimidating black guys with a heart of gold. Which we also had in Blue Crush a couple years later with Kate Bosworth movie. They might even been the same guys. Or they stole those guys from this movie. Or stole the characters.
[25:49]
Van Lathan
One of those guys. Face on love. Shall face on love.
[25:51]
Todd McShay
The menacing ex convict. Ooh, I got Earl Wilkinson. We have some stuff for him later. But he's the Jobu.
[25:59]
Van Lathan
Oh, no, right.
[26:00]
Todd McShay
He's Jobu from major league.
[26:01]
Van Lathan
But the men's convict.
[26:03]
Todd McShay
Yeah. Save it.
[26:05]
Van Lathan
Oh, you know.
[26:06]
Todd McShay
Yeah, I know.
[26:07]
Van Lathan
Okay, okay, okay.
[26:08]
Todd McShay
We have likable handicap guy. Deaf tight end.
[26:10]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[26:11]
Todd McShay
And we have the obscenely obese offensive lineman guy, who in this movie is Japanese.
[26:16]
Van Lathan
Japanese.
[26:16]
Todd McShay
They just check a ton of boxes.
[26:18]
Van Lathan
Do you know why? Because this movie is essentially a remake of necessary roughness.
[26:24]
Todd McShay
Yeah, it is. It's not essentially a remake. So it's like this kind of the same movie. Yeah.
[26:30]
Van Lathan
Literally. When they copied almost all the characters, the only one missing is kind of your Sinbad character. But it's like legitimately female field goal.
[26:38]
Todd McShay
Kicker was the line they wouldn't cross. Yeah, they didn't want. They didn't want people to realize how badly they were. By the way, I'm all for ripping off unnecessary roughness. I like that movie too.
[26:46]
Van Lathan
Yeah, it's great.
[26:48]
Todd McShay
We're missing a couple of token characters. We don't have the semi racist dumb guy from the South. Maybe they did. Maybe they couldn't find the casting for it.
[26:57]
Van Lathan
They kind of get you there with the cop. But I get what you're saying.
[27:01]
Todd McShay
Remember the Titans guy? The guy then when Gary finds like, hey, man, you gotta leave the team.
[27:08]
Van Lathan
Oh, I don't know if we need.
[27:09]
Todd McShay
To go that far, but we definitely.
[27:11]
Van Lathan
Needed somebody that wasn't a semi racist.
[27:13]
Todd McShay
Well, he was a full racist, so I'm saying. Could we have dipped in that pool?
[27:16]
Van Lathan
That guy went on to be Grand Dragon like that guy. That guy was that Bertier. Had to get him off.
[27:24]
Todd McShay
Yeah, Bertier's like even. Look, man, it's 1970. You have to go bridge too far.
[27:28]
Van Lathan
What? You want to be with one of them, you're off the team.
[27:31]
Todd McShay
We were missing the token washed up weight safety. Like Scott Bakula coming back.
[27:37]
Van Lathan
Maybe Scott Bakula was a qb. Oh, no. He could have played.
[27:39]
Todd McShay
I'm saying having Scott Bakula come back.
[27:41]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[27:42]
Todd McShay
As like the white safety who retired two years ago but misses it.
[27:45]
Van Lathan
And he comes back, the Don BBC.
[27:47]
Todd McShay
And we were really. I can't believe they missed this. The ladies man who's just hooking up with multiple girls at a time. I don't know how they didn't have that in this. The person who was like, he basically fucked himself out of football because he was having so much sex. And now he's back, but it's like, might have been a mistake.
[28:04]
Van Lathan
He's just going too hard.
[28:05]
Todd McShay
He's like the cheerleader. He loves the cheerleaders. The most cheerleaders.
[28:07]
Van Lathan
We gotta talk about them.
[28:09]
Todd McShay
We also have, I think, a new record of seven cliche sports scenes. The bar brawl, the dance, puking on the field. The teammate dance sequence which happens in jail. The opponents getting distracted by the cheerleaders, which I don't think has ever happened in real life. Not once.
[28:26]
Van Lathan
No.
[28:27]
Todd McShay
The big fat lineman catching a pass and running the qb, throwing the ball at a defensive lineman's head, body somewhere, trying to knock him out of the game. Just ripped off from long yard. Yeah, ripped off. And then the injured veteran with the you gotta do it speech. They have the guy who scores the touchdown in the big game and he, like, blows out his knees sideways and Keanu comes over, he's like, shane, you gotta do it. It's like, you gotta do it.
[28:53]
Van Lathan
I scored my one touchdown.
[28:54]
Todd McShay
So those are the seven, right? Were there any more? Those were the seven cliche scenes.
[28:59]
Van Lathan
No, not. I mean, obviously some of the romantic stuff. But in terms of sports movie stuff, those are the big ones.
[29:06]
Todd McShay
I guess maybe they.
[29:07]
Van Lathan
No, no, no, no, no, no. Did you do quicksand speech?
[29:10]
Todd McShay
Oh, the locker room speech.
[29:12]
Van Lathan
Locker room speech. Yeah.
[29:13]
Todd McShay
Well, that's like a. You have to have that in every sports movie, right?
[29:16]
Van Lathan
They double back, though. Yeah, they do. I'm afraid to be great. Quicksand speech. But then they also come back to chicks dig scars. Guy comes in at halftime to win games. Save your hero dog. Same thing.
[29:33]
Todd McShay
I don't know if this counts as a cliche thing, but the. We think they got the winning score, but it turns out there's a flag on the play and we got to redo the winning moment. I don't know if this movie invented that, but I like. It's a good one. It's effective.
[29:45]
Van Lathan
That's. That's.
[29:45]
Todd McShay
I thought you scored. Oh, wait, you didn't.
[29:47]
Van Lathan
That's the best shot in the whole movie.
[29:48]
Todd McShay
Yeah. $50 million budget made. 50.1 million.
[29:53]
Van Lathan
So it lost money.
[29:54]
Todd McShay
No, it literally broke Even.
[29:56]
Van Lathan
No, no. I mean with. After the marketing, it lost money.
[29:58]
Todd McShay
Roger Ebert, two stars. And honestly, words hurt because he wrote slap happy entertainment painted in broad strokes, two coats thick. It's like a standard sports movie, but with every point made twice or three times. If you think the Replacements has the nerve to surprise you, you've got the wrong movie.
[30:17]
Van Lathan
Right, Raj? He's right.
[30:18]
Todd McShay
He's right. Yeah, but he didn't know that it was going to be on TNT for the next 23 years.
[30:23]
Van Lathan
We missed a cliche.
[30:24]
Todd McShay
What is it?
[30:27]
Van Lathan
Maybe you brought it up. Maybe I just miss it. Whiny, baby athletes bad. Whiny, rich, bad athletes. Anybody that wants to make money playing sports, bad. Like when someone. It's funny because at the beginning of the movie, a guy goes.
[30:46]
Todd McShay
Cause that's Corbin Bernstein in Major League.
[30:48]
Van Lathan
That's Corbin Bernstein in Major League. At the beginning of the movie, a guy goes, I'm telling you, 5 million ain't what you think it is when you do taxes.
[30:56]
Todd McShay
Yeah, Eddie Martell says that my manager gets it.
[30:59]
Van Lathan
And I'm thinking to myself now, I'm thinking, I mean, he kind of spitting a little bit. He's got a point. Like he makes 5 million, but it's not a real 5 million.
[31:08]
Todd McShay
Remember the lockout?
[31:09]
Van Lathan
Go for more.
[31:10]
Todd McShay
Remember the NBA lockout in 99 when Kenny Anderson, it came out, he had eight cars and everyone lost their fucking minds.
[31:16]
Van Lathan
See, that's different.
[31:18]
Todd McShay
But I'm just saying, like that the whole concept of the 90s and early 2000s was like, I can't believe this guy's complaining about Charles Freewill.
[31:26]
Van Lathan
Feed my family all of that stuff. People were getting sick of it now. Now the money is so fucking crazy. But also what happens now is this movie is a low information sports fans movie because we don't know at this point how much the league is making. We don't know what the TV deals are. We don't know any of that. So when we see these numbers, we go, how could they be making that much money? Now when we see how much money they're making, we go, how could they not be making much money?
[31:54]
Todd McShay
Today's the most rewatchable scene brought to you by Paramount. Plus, a mountain of movies awaits on Paramount. Plus that means a mountain of heart pounding action blockbusters like Top Maverick, Mission Impossible, Fall and Gladiator. You saw Gladiator too, right?
[32:06]
Van Lathan
I did see it.
[32:07]
Todd McShay
Denzel. I just want Denzel to be good. I don't care if the movie's good.
[32:10]
Van Lathan
Denzel's good.
[32:11]
Todd McShay
Okay. Amount of jump scares with thrillers like Scream 6, Smile in a Quiet Place, day one. Did you see Smile 2?
[32:17]
Van Lathan
I did see it.
[32:18]
Todd McShay
Heard it was good.
[32:20]
Van Lathan
I'll never watch a scary movie that you've recommended ever again.
[32:24]
Todd McShay
Okay.
[32:25]
Van Lathan
Amount terrifying.
[32:26]
Todd McShay
A mountain of fun for the kiddos. Family favorites like if Paw Patrol, the Movie Indoor and the Lost City of Gold.
[32:32]
Van Lathan
Family favorites like what if? Oh, I thought you said it.
[32:36]
Todd McShay
No.
[32:37]
Van Lathan
Oh, I was about to say it's.
[32:38]
Todd McShay
Not a family favorite.
[32:38]
Van Lathan
That's not a family.
[32:40]
Todd McShay
Okay, definitely not.
[32:40]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[32:41]
Todd McShay
Discover something new every week on Paramount plus so most rewatchable scene. Jimmy goes to see Shane. Jimmy McGinty goes to see Shane to talk him into it. We find out Shane lost the 96 Super bowl by 45. I have a lot of super bowl questions later at the show.
[32:59]
Van Lathan
Sugar Bowl. Yeah.
[33:00]
Todd McShay
Lost that by 45. I have more questions about that later. Jimmy says, you know what separates the winners from the losers, kid? And Shane goes the score. And we know we're off at this point. And Shane says, I don't want to be remembered at all. It's a dark place. Cleaning boats, embarrassed in the Sugar Bowl. What real life college football character is Shane Falco? What college star from the last 25 years is there a Shane Falco?
[33:31]
Van Lathan
Ooh, you know what? He could be, uh. Oh, he could be Troy Smith from Ohio State. Oh, Ohio State's cruising.
[33:40]
Todd McShay
Yeah.
[33:41]
Van Lathan
On their way to an undefeated season and a national championship and they run into the Florida Gators and somebody help me. But I think the score of the game was something like 40 to 14. Yeah, very unexpected.
[33:58]
Craig Krobeck
41 14.
[33:59]
Van Lathan
41 14. Very unexpected. Troy Smith went on to like not really have very much of a career in the NFL. Not sure how much of a career he was going to have before that, but it was a game that really, really injured the perception of him. If you ask me, it would have.
[34:16]
Todd McShay
Been the Georgia quarterback this year, but they're not going to be good enough to be in a memorable.
[34:21]
Craig Krobeck
Troy Smith is a great comp in that game. He threw for 35 yards.
[34:25]
Todd McShay
Jesus.
[34:26]
Van Lathan
Really?
[34:27]
Todd McShay
Who's your LSU? Shane Flauco.
[34:29]
Van Lathan
We've had a lot of Shane Falcos good multiple.
[34:32]
Todd McShay
We couldn't seven shade Falcos.
[34:34]
Van Lathan
We couldn't have a. We didn't have a quarterback legitimately. We didn't have a quarterback for like 10 or 11 years. So we've got Shane Falcos and Spades.
[34:42]
Todd McShay
Man.
[34:43]
Van Lathan
I don't want to name any of the guys because I love LSU too much.
[34:46]
Todd McShay
Next Scene. Annabelle, the hot cheerleader, who we'll talk about later, gives Shane a ride home and drives like a fucking maniac for a minute for no reason. A lot of the stuff in this movie happens for no reason and then says, nothing personal, Shane, but I don't date quarterbacks. Like, all right, you'll be back. Yeah.
[35:01]
Van Lathan
We're talking about.
[35:03]
Todd McShay
Loved her car. Very like, 90s, early 2000s. Like driving that car, you know, it was like 40 degrees in Washington. They don't care. Jimmy and Shane, before the first big game.
[35:14]
Van Lathan
I look at you and I see two men. The man you are, the man you ought to be. Someday those two will meet. Should make for a hell of a football player.
[35:28]
Todd McShay
I remember when I said that to you in 2020, when we decided to work together. That pushed it over. It was right before Higher Learning was launched.
[35:36]
Van Lathan
Yeah, go fuck yourself. But we haven't talked about how much of a cliche she is.
[35:47]
Todd McShay
Can you hold that? Because I have a great spot for it. We have the puking and the huddle to. I need that ball. And Favreau going to get the ball. Coming back. I got you the ball.
[35:56]
Van Lathan
Right.
[35:56]
Todd McShay
Which was ridiculous in 2000, but now I kind of like that scene. Falco's almost game winner. And then the highlight of this whole scene was Pat Summer and John Madden, who we also haven't talked about yet. And they're in this movie a lot and they're doing the notes and some talk about the running back. The ex con doesn't realize he's an ex con and says. It says here that he likes embroidery. They just slid that in. So we get that. We get the bar fight. That's fun. I like bar fights.
[36:24]
Van Lathan
Always. Like a bar fight in a sports movie.
[36:26]
Todd McShay
We get her circling back and how he got his truck back with the girl and Keanu. We get the. I need you to get me the ball, I got you the ball exchange, which was, I think. And I think I got that out of order. Keanu's quicksand speech.
[36:42]
Van Lathan
Fantastic.
[36:43]
Todd McShay
Which I'll have Craig play the clip of because he'll do it better me, but I also want to do an imitation of it.
[36:50]
Van Lathan
You're playing and you think everything is going fine, but then one thing goes wrong and then another and another. And you try to fight back, but the harder you fight, the deeper you sink, till you can't move, can't breathe, because you're in over your head, like quicksand.
[37:20]
Todd McShay
You're playing and you think everything's going fine. But then one Thing goes wrong and another and another. And you try to fight back, but the harder you fight, the deeper you sink, until you can't move, you can't breathe because you're in over your head. That quicksand, right? That's how he delivers it.
[37:42]
Van Lathan
That's the way it is. Garrett Nessmeyer vs Texas A& M. And.
[37:45]
Todd McShay
Then our guy Orlando Jones comes in and goes, that's some deep shit, Shane.
[37:49]
Van Lathan
Deep shit, Shane.
[37:50]
Todd McShay
This movie's great.
[37:51]
Van Lathan
And then it goes to each one of their faces.
[37:53]
Todd McShay
Yeah. Because it's like he's giving the greatest. He's like Martin Luther King and giving, like the greatest speech of all time.
[37:58]
Van Lathan
Be careful. But he. But. But he. But he's talking about not just football, but he's also talking about failure. Their lives as well. So when it flashes to each one of them, you like, we've learned a little bit about their backstories and, like, why they didn't make it. And everybody's like, I don't want to go back to the mini mart. I don't want to do this. I don't want to do that. So scene works. It works.
[38:21]
Todd McShay
Dabro's character seems like, I'm actually fine going back to. I want to bust some ass killing criminals again.
[38:26]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[38:28]
Todd McShay
Next scene, I just. This is self explanatory. The stripper cheerleaders cause an offside and lead a comeback. Really fun.
[38:35]
Van Lathan
The coach in that scene is hilarious.
[38:37]
Todd McShay
It's great.
[38:37]
Van Lathan
He slapped her on the ass. Ref, Ref. She slapped her on the ass. Like, that guy is really funny in that scene.
[38:45]
Todd McShay
I mean, the last 25 minutes of the movie is probably the pick, right? Because we get the first half of the big game with Eddie Martel crossing the picket line and just going full Aaron Rodgers jets on the entire team. We get Falco coming back, as Eddie Martel says in the locker room at halftime, nobody could beat Dallas with these losers. Okay?
[39:05]
Van Lathan
Okay. And who do you think O'Neal's gonna side with, huh?
[39:09]
Todd McShay
Some burnout old coach or someone who puts fans in the stands?
[39:12]
Van Lathan
Son of a.
[39:13]
Todd McShay
Come on.
[39:14]
Van Lathan
Hey, what the hell are you thinking about? We got a game to play. Nobody could beat Dallas with these losers. I can.
[39:23]
Todd McShay
Falco, it's great to see you. Now get the hell out of my locker room.
[39:27]
Van Lathan
Coach. What the hell took you so long? Trev, Suit up.
[39:34]
Todd McShay
Now get the hell out of my locker room. Which is just an immediate overacting award winner. So what took you so long? Traffic.
[39:43]
Van Lathan
Kind of a Jerry Maguire type of situation there.
[39:45]
Todd McShay
Oh, I. We're Getting into it in nitpicks.
[39:47]
Van Lathan
Yeah, Yeah, I have. Okay, so the opening scene sets the cultural stakes of the movie. It tells you all about where sports culture is and how you're supposed to look at the good guys. It, like, literally defines the good guys and the bad guys. The first sequence of the movie. Right. But then, like the first practice slash training camp essay.
[40:10]
Todd McShay
Oh, the little montage, you think?
[40:12]
Van Lathan
The little montage of everybody going through their thing. Cause you get to see the deficiencies of all the characters. Hey, one guy can catch his ass off, but he's deaf. One guy is fast, but he can't catch. One guy has all the intensity, but no discipline.
[40:26]
Todd McShay
Yeah.
[40:26]
Van Lathan
One guy is huge as fuck, but he has an eating disorder. So, like, you go through all of the different things, and in movies like that, in movies like this, should I say that's the one scene you have to have, like. Cause it really gives you a lot of extra. It's a great point. In one little scene, we didn't mention.
[40:43]
Todd McShay
The ending, which I think.
[40:44]
Van Lathan
One more thing I wanna say. The wild yam scene. Yeah, wild yam. That's the. Hey, Love matters scene. He's not gonna be the coach of the. Or he's not gonna be the quarterback of the team for a long time, but he's gonna have her forever. She's rubbing her wild yam on his shoulders.
[41:04]
Todd McShay
Did mention the ending.
[41:06]
Van Lathan
I know you're tired. I know you're hurting. And I wish I could say something that was classy and inspirational. That just wouldn't be our style. Pain heals. Chicks dig scars.
[41:20]
Todd McShay
Glory lasts forever. Would that have been your yearbook quote? Craig, if you didn't think that is.
[41:28]
Craig Krobeck
Like, an objectively great sports movie quote.
[41:31]
Todd McShay
It's the highlight of the movie that.
[41:33]
Craig Krobeck
Would work if I was on his team. That would fire me up.
[41:35]
Van Lathan
You ready to run through a fucking wall?
[41:37]
Todd McShay
We get the fake field goal, which I think is a really well written, smart wrinkle. The kicker's like, I'm going to have to miss this. And Keanu's sniffs it out, runs for the touchdown, called back. And then we get the game winner, which I have some questions about, but that's.
[41:49]
Van Lathan
I have a question before we move on.
[41:51]
Todd McShay
That's my pick for most rewatchable.
[41:52]
Van Lathan
Most rewatchable is the last scene of the movie for sure. Right? But back to Craig's point. Of all the sports movie speeches that you've heard, I'm not gonna ask you for a top five. What are the most effective sports movie speeches? Ever.
[42:08]
Todd McShay
First of all, you came to the right place.
[42:10]
Van Lathan
Okay.
[42:11]
Todd McShay
Probably the best person on the planet to answer this question.
[42:14]
Van Lathan
Humble.
[42:15]
Todd McShay
The Longest yard with Paul Crew is the best speech ever. When he calls time out when it's fourth down and brings everybody over to the sidelines and does the. We've come too far to stop now.
[42:25]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[42:25]
Todd McShay
For Granny, for Nate, for Caretaker who just died.
[42:30]
Van Lathan
Oh, fuck.
[42:30]
Todd McShay
The best. The best one.
[42:32]
Van Lathan
Can I give you one that means something to me?
[42:34]
Todd McShay
I think there's been a lot of good ones.
[42:35]
Van Lathan
There's a lot of great ones. Ones. Billy Bob Thornton. Oh, Friday Night Lights.
[42:41]
Todd McShay
Good one.
[42:42]
Van Lathan
My God, now they know that they're about to go over out there. You know, they're probably gonna.
[42:47]
Todd McShay
But, my God, that's a great one.
[42:50]
Van Lathan
Billy Bob Thornton, Friday Night Lights. He's. He's like, imparting this upon these young men, and he's letting you know, look, my heart is full. I'm here with you. Like, that movie, to me is. It's kind of actually. I look at that film as actually the time that sports movies changed a little bit. Sports movies are a little bit. They're a little bit more meta in how they do their thing now than.
[43:14]
Todd McShay
They do that started with, like, Moneyball, late 2000s.
[43:16]
Van Lathan
Yeah. Yeah. They're kind of a little bit more meta now that you. The sports movie now almost always rides the line between sports movie and documentary.
[43:27]
Todd McShay
Yeah. Because documentary has changed how we saw sports just in general.
[43:31]
Van Lathan
Yeah. But like, I love that fucking speech. That's a speech that makes me want to.
[43:35]
Todd McShay
Any given Sunday with Pacino is an all timer.
[43:38]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[43:38]
Todd McShay
The inches all around. The inches are all around us.
[43:42]
Van Lathan
The inches are all around in that movie, too. In the locker room, his people was like, what the fuck is going on?
[43:49]
Todd McShay
Jerry Maguire's speech to Tidwell's good.
[43:51]
Van Lathan
Yep.
[43:52]
Craig Krobeck
Remember, the Titans for me has some good ones. Will Patton and Denzel both.
[43:56]
Van Lathan
Yeah, Denzel was great. Like, fantastic in that one. You know what?
[44:00]
Todd McShay
Hoosiers don't forget. I know, I know you have some issues with Hoosiers.
[44:03]
Van Lathan
I don't.
[44:03]
Todd McShay
Great, great speech. That leads to the slow clap.
[44:06]
Van Lathan
The slow clap is just crazy in every movie that they do it. It seems like these movies, they're not as many great sports movie speeches. In basketball movies, though, the best one's probably.
[44:19]
Todd McShay
He Got game.
[44:20]
Van Lathan
Which one?
[44:21]
Todd McShay
The speech that when they're walking on the boardwalk and Denzel's talking to Ray Allen. Yeah, that's near the end of the movie when he's talking about how he has to get the hate out of his heart.
[44:33]
Van Lathan
It's not necessarily a sports speech, but.
[44:36]
Todd McShay
That'S an unbelievable scene where he's basically.
[44:38]
Van Lathan
Telling him, like, I'm your dad. This is what I want. And I'm telling you, even if you don't give me this, then what you have to do is be able to move on from everything that's happened, or you're never going to reach your heart.
[44:49]
Todd McShay
Get rid of this hate in your heart.
[44:50]
Van Lathan
Get rid of the hate out your heart, son.
[44:51]
Todd McShay
It's a good one.
[44:51]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[44:52]
Todd McShay
There's been a lot of good sports movie speeches, and I think we hit a point Miracle. There's some good ones with Kurt Russell. We hit a point in the late 90s when people. We had enough of a sports movie library that people knew that they had to have some sort of speech in it. Right. So that's what they're trying to do.
[45:07]
Van Lathan
And they also do you that shit in real life, though. That's another thing, is the sports movie speech is accurate to the way they try to motivate you when you're actually playing sports. Yeah, I remember watching Doc Rivers, and Doc Rivers is on the sideline with the Celtics, which you guys. Doc Rivers is a good coach in Boston. And he says something to them. He goes, listen. He doesn't like, draw up a player or anything like that. He says something. He goes, listen, listen. If you play together and you believe in each other, you're unbeatable. They can't beat you. If you play together and execute together and look out for one another, I'm like, God damn. If we play together, we can't be beat. It actually was inspiring.
[45:51]
Todd McShay
Pretty great.
[45:51]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[45:52]
Todd McShay
Supposedly, and I think all videos have been destroyed, but in 2006, Pat Riley and the Heat, when they were in Dallas trying to finish off Dirk and those guys and supposedly him in the second half, the cameras that were there recording the stuff that he was saying was like all time. So he had, like no clipboard. And he was just like, you guys are tougher than these guys. You guys have to rip their heart out right now. And was doing like crazy sports movie shit, but it was working. And those guys came out and they just.
[46:21]
Van Lathan
They killed the house. Took it from Durkin. Yeah.
[46:24]
Todd McShay
All right, so what's your most rewatchable?
[46:26]
Van Lathan
My most rewatchable is it's like you. It's the last one. It's the final scene, but the opening scene is up there, too.
[46:32]
Todd McShay
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[46:54]
Van Lathan
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[47:15]
Todd McShay
Of your ride home with dad after.
[47:17]
Van Lathan
He caught you vaping.
[47:26]
Todd McShay
Awkward, isn't it? Most vapes contain seriously addictive levels of nicotine and disappointment. Know the real cost of vapes brought to you by the FDA. What's the most 2001 thing about this movie? I'll give you some options.
[47:43]
Van Lathan
All right, give it to me.
[47:45]
Todd McShay
Intentionally attacking football opponents using Good Vibrations by Marky Mark in a sports celebration sequence.
[47:52]
Van Lathan
Way up there.
[47:53]
Todd McShay
Stick them.
[47:55]
Van Lathan
That's like more like the 70s though.
[47:57]
Todd McShay
No concussion protocol for the def. Tight end in the final game. Just comes right back.
[48:01]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[48:02]
Todd McShay
Or stripper cheerleaders.
[48:03]
Van Lathan
Okay, so I'm gonna make a case for stripper cheerleaders.
[48:06]
Todd McShay
Great. So that was my number one pick as well.
[48:08]
Van Lathan
Really? No. That wasn't my number one pick though. I'm gonna make a case as to why that should happen. But it. My number one pick is the concussion protocol.
[48:17]
Todd McShay
Mm.
[48:18]
Van Lathan
Bruh. We've talked about it on the pod before. There is legitimately, like you made a joke about it, but it's. There's actually one. There's actually a ESPN jacked up segment.
[48:34]
Todd McShay
Right.
[48:34]
Van Lathan
Where the dude gets hit by Nnamdi Asamwa.
[48:39]
Todd McShay
Yeah.
[48:39]
Van Lathan
And he's doing the fencing post.
[48:41]
Todd McShay
He's like this.
[48:42]
Van Lathan
He's like this. And Tom Jackson goes, ah. You know when you see the hands like that, that's when you know you got jacked up. And I'm like, what the fuck? He literally is doing. Tom Jackson's voice goes down and he.
[49:00]
Todd McShay
Goes, you think he's getting serious for a second?
[49:02]
Van Lathan
He comes back with the jacked up.
[49:04]
Todd McShay
So that those segments, those ESPN jacked up segments look like they're SNL segments of them parodying espn, but they're actually the actual ESPN segments.
[49:13]
Van Lathan
They're the real thing. It's like you got jack. Look at him.
[49:16]
Todd McShay
Look at him. He's not moving.
[49:18]
Craig Krobeck
He's not moving.
[49:19]
Van Lathan
He got jacked up.
[49:20]
Todd McShay
The guy's like dead.
[49:22]
Van Lathan
He's like fucking out. He's unconscious on the football field.
[49:26]
Todd McShay
It's so Funny.
[49:26]
Van Lathan
Jacked up.
[49:27]
Todd McShay
Remember there was that. There was a Madden game one year when the whole. It was like a 30 second intro before you started playing. And each hit was just somebody getting decapitated or annihilated.
[49:37]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[49:37]
Todd McShay
Right.
[49:38]
Van Lathan
So that's. So the. Obviously the def.
[49:42]
Todd McShay
Tight end is so.
[49:42]
Van Lathan
But. But him getting fucked up and then coming right back in the game. It's just a different sport back then.
[49:47]
Todd McShay
A category we don't get to give out very often. The Elizabeth Shue is an Oxford electrochemist. Award goes to Washington's cute and bubbly head cheerleader, Annabelle, who also owns a bar in downtown Washington.
[50:01]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[50:01]
Todd McShay
And she's single.
[50:02]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[50:03]
Todd McShay
Because this person exists.
[50:04]
Van Lathan
She is breathtakingly beautiful.
[50:07]
Todd McShay
Yeah. She's saying no, she can't find a guy.
[50:09]
Van Lathan
She's breathtakingly beautiful. Financially independent.
[50:13]
Todd McShay
Yeah. Hard worker.
[50:14]
Van Lathan
Cheerleads basically as a hobby.
[50:17]
Todd McShay
Yeah.
[50:17]
Van Lathan
Because she only makes 50 bucks a game.
[50:19]
Todd McShay
Right. Has to shut down the bar. Probably cost her money.
[50:22]
Van Lathan
Costs her money to do it. Right. And just striking out. Either that or the sequel to this movie is her carving up his back or doing something crazy. Because there's gotta be a reason why she's not married or backstory with her. Oh, and some football player. Maybe there's a reason why the second.
[50:40]
Todd McShay
One'S an erotic thriller. She starts stalking Shane because Shane, why didn't you come by the bar? They hint at it near the end of the Replacements when he no shows the date. And she's like basically turning the light on and off.
[50:51]
Van Lathan
Right?
[50:52]
Todd McShay
Like fade track style. I told her, shane, quarterback, I will not be ignored.
[50:57]
Van Lathan
Right, Exactly.
[50:58]
Todd McShay
She was played by former Melrose Play star Brooke Langton, who ended up getting involved with Billy Campbell on that show. Andrew Shue, who was kind of the homeless man's Keanu from an acting standpoint.
[51:11]
Van Lathan
What a call.
[51:12]
Todd McShay
Yeah. Same kind of blank faces and unenergetic line deliveries.
[51:19]
Van Lathan
It's funny that he would be brought up when his sister is the Elizabeth Shue. He was a thing for a while. He is one of the all time Andrew Shue. What the fuck happened to that guy?
[51:30]
Todd McShay
Season one of Melrose Place. He felt like he was gonna be one of the biggest stars in the world.
[51:34]
Van Lathan
He like commercials on TV and stuff and then gone.
[51:38]
Todd McShay
What's age? The best. I have a bunch of stuff. You can give me your best one.
[51:44]
Van Lathan
All right now.
[51:45]
Todd McShay
Yeah.
[51:45]
Van Lathan
Okay. So Keanu Reeves just aged. Super. The best sex workers. The way that sex workers are portrayed in this movie, the strippers, it's hms. It's totally different.
[51:58]
Todd McShay
Now I have them in this as well as. What stage is the best. I love those characters. I think they're hilarious. And they were kind of. They give the movie some spice. And it's like a TNT spice. Cause it's not too dirty. But it's okay enough for tnt. But it still feels like in the bar, she's giving the deaf guy, like, the fake blowjob thing. And it's like, what'd you do?
[52:19]
Craig Krobeck
Right.
[52:24]
Van Lathan
That's for video. You guys gotta see that.
[52:27]
Todd McShay
I do the Trump, where Trump's like.
[52:32]
Van Lathan
Yeah, they. It's like they're winking at you. They're not showing you that. That's very 90s, too. Cause now there'd be some bit where they come out there with no underwear on. It would be forever.
[52:41]
Todd McShay
That was that era, though. That was 1999, 2000, 2001. A lot of the stuff that was going on in MTV, that was the Woodstock 99 that we did the documentary about. Where everybody's taking their tops off. It got a little crazy there.
[52:55]
Van Lathan
It did. But they're winking at you here. The strippers dance. The ladies, they dance a little bit different. They do a little bit different. They're a little bit more out there. That aged the best. And just like sports labor discussions have aged the best. Because we do not have them now the way we used to.
[53:15]
Todd McShay
There's too much money at stake now. Now they're just like, let's split this up. Let's not argue about this.
[53:19]
Van Lathan
The baseball, the strike of 1994 is. The NBA strikes and the football strikes, all of that. The strike of 1994 was a watershed moment in the way that I view sports. Because the season leading up to that was so fucking special. Tony Gwen was hitting like, what, 394 expos, Montreal.
[53:42]
Todd McShay
Yeah.
[53:42]
Van Lathan
Like the season was so fucking amazing. And there was this collective grief over the fact that we weren't gonna see if he could hit for 100.
[53:50]
Todd McShay
Yeah.
[53:51]
Van Lathan
Or we weren't gonna see if Montreal could get to the World Series. I think the home run record might have been. It really cost people something. I think after that, that really kind of changed. At least me as being a sports fan around that age kind of changed the way I look. Looked at sports and labels.
[54:07]
Todd McShay
It's bullshit. The 99 NBA lockout wasn't great. The hockey lost an entire season.
[54:12]
Van Lathan
A whole season. Yeah.
[54:15]
Todd McShay
I have some smaller wood. Stage the best. Keith David, as head of the players union, always like, Keith David.
[54:20]
Van Lathan
Does it come back in the movie?
[54:21]
Todd McShay
Does it come back it feels like he probably had some deleted scenes that.
[54:23]
Van Lathan
Got some shit cut out. Yeah.
[54:25]
Todd McShay
The TD celebration where Orlando Jones shoots the guys with the football and then himself. Yeah.
[54:31]
Van Lathan
I think they were making fun of any given. Not any given Sunday the last boys.
[54:35]
Todd McShay
It's funny.
[54:35]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[54:36]
Todd McShay
I like the blue Washington Sentinels hats. The blue with the Washington. I would buy one of those on ebay. So this is a wood stage. The best in real life. Keanu took less money so they could afford Gene Hackman. Oh, team player Keanu.
[54:50]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[54:50]
Todd McShay
Like a Tim Duncan.
[54:52]
Van Lathan
Is he? So people fall from grace.
[54:56]
Todd McShay
Kobe wouldn't have taken less money for Gene Hackman but Tim Duncan would have.
[54:59]
Van Lathan
Like I'm just telling you people fall from grace.
[55:01]
Todd McShay
Another. Another Tim Duncan win.
[55:03]
Van Lathan
I'm. It just. Your. Your agenda is crazy. I'm begging Keanu Reeves just don't let us down. Keanu because he is like the guy. When you think about, hey, you can still be decent. You can still not care. You can still be. If we find out Keanu got three hoes locked in a basement somewhere, it's gonna be such a dark day.
[55:28]
Todd McShay
The Matt Lauer buzzer.
[55:29]
Van Lathan
Yeah, it's like just Keanu like, like for us, bro. Just keep it above board. Always your.
[55:37]
Todd McShay
I think we're good with him. What's age the best. Hey Falco, you're not even a has been. You're a never was great insult.
[55:46]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[55:46]
Todd McShay
Really cuts deep Madden and some are all.
[55:53]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[55:54]
Todd McShay
So we have Vince Gullian for Love of the game in 1999 and it turns out like these guys, they do these games, they disappear, they end up on YouTube. But Vince Kelly's like a key character and for love of the game and he's really good. Madden and Somerset. This felt like a money grab in 2001 and we had a lot of Madden somewhere on our lives because they were the announcers for the video game which everyone played like the Madden 2001. It's like everyone's playing it but now I'm like really glad they're in this movie. It's actually nice to see them because I miss Madden and Somerset miss them big time. I miss them doing lines like Summerl's kind of awkward. Madden at one point does this thing like it looks like they're necking when they're kissing.
[56:31]
Van Lathan
Like the Madden Summer all team is just like the golden age of football watching for me.
[56:36]
Todd McShay
Yeah. It made me super nostalgic seeing it. Absolutely.
[56:39]
Van Lathan
And I think putting them in the movie probably gave the movie a little bit of credibility. Because them and Hackman, they didn't have Hackman as well. They didn't have like licensing. So it's like real football if John Madden and some are all calling it.
[56:54]
Todd McShay
I like the kicker smoking butts during the game. Even in the game I just thought was like they really went for it with that one. Cougars jokes during the Gene Hackman parts. Not afraid to make a couple of like I want four handoffs before every pass. Like just we're weaving those in. I like the cheerleader with the deaf guy. My favorite two things though. For what stage the best. Shane Footsteps Falco. What a great nickname. Kudos to the screenwriter for that.
[57:25]
Van Lathan
Did we ever get a reason as to why they call him that?
[57:28]
Todd McShay
I think because in the Sugar bowl he got hit so many times he just started like he was taking self.
[57:33]
Van Lathan
Sacks, hearing footsteps or feeling footsteps.
[57:36]
Todd McShay
Jim Everett. That was the famous Jim Everett in the 80s when he thought he was going to get sacked and fell down. But there was nobody there and it like haunted him forever.
[57:43]
Van Lathan
Careful speaking on him.
[57:45]
Todd McShay
Well that's. That's why I know.
[57:47]
Van Lathan
I just.
[57:47]
Todd McShay
You think he's going to jump out?
[57:49]
Van Lathan
He likes to get busy. I watch that shit live when it happened.
[57:52]
Todd McShay
Can we call Derek Carr? Derek Footsteps car.
[57:55]
Van Lathan
Yeah, you definitely can call me anything.
[57:56]
Todd McShay
Let's bring it back.
[57:58]
Van Lathan
All right.
[57:58]
Todd McShay
Here's my big one though. Keanu looks good as a qb, bro. I'm ready to have this convo right now. He.
[58:08]
Van Lathan
I do this a lot where someone makes another point and I go, wow. But like realistically, he looks like he could get it done. He's athletic. He looks like he has. He's got the kind of build to where he's lean but still sturdy.
[58:25]
Todd McShay
Kind of looks like a. To be. I gotta be honest, like watching it, I don't really know the difference.
[58:29]
Van Lathan
Like even in Point Break.
[58:32]
Todd McShay
Yep.
[58:32]
Van Lathan
Which by the way.
[58:33]
Todd McShay
And he's still.
[58:33]
Van Lathan
I'm gonna get to my multiversal theory a little later. But like Point Break when he's Johnny Utah, he looks like a guy who could have played football. A lot of times they put people in these roles and obviously there's the guy from the Amanda Bynes movie. When you see him throw it. Have you ever seen that clip? You ever see the guy in Amanda Bynes movie? Which movie was it?
[58:56]
Todd McShay
Was it Freddie Prinze Jr. No, it wasn't him.
[58:58]
Van Lathan
Freddie could get busy, but it was. I don't know why. I just big up to Freddie like that. I just like him. I like to think he could throw a Football.
[59:05]
Todd McShay
Okay.
[59:05]
Van Lathan
But there's a guy, he's throwing the ball and there's.
[59:08]
Todd McShay
He doing, like, one of those.
[59:09]
Van Lathan
You have to see this. I'm gonna show it to you. I'll check that out. But Keanu is very athletic. He looks athletic and he's got a good football motion and, like, a good constitution about it.
[59:18]
Todd McShay
At the time I wrote that, he was very Scott Mitchell Y. Which was a compliment. Cause I think Scott Mitchell from the Lions. Yeah, he made money in the Lions, but he had that kind of lefty, kind of lumbering, but athletic. And you felt like it made sense if he scrambled for 15 yards. Tua's probably the comp now. I'm ready to do it. The best quarterbacks in a sports movie. I think Burt Reynolds is still one longest yard. He's like, amazing. Like, he's like. He's like Lamar Jackson in the Longest Yard.
[59:47]
Van Lathan
Kind of shouldn't count, but I get it.
[59:49]
Todd McShay
It counts. He's star of the movie.
[59:51]
Van Lathan
No, I'm just saying he played college football. He's a real football player.
[59:54]
Todd McShay
I gotta hand it to Jamie as Willie Beeman.
[59:56]
Van Lathan
That's one. Way up there. Once again, high school football player. Good one, but way up there.
[60:01]
Todd McShay
Like, felt Kaepernicky. Ten minutes. Ten years before Kaepernick. Like, same kind of slasher, you know, like quick throws, but also could run athletic. At the time, it was Aaron Brooks was the comp for him.
[60:13]
Van Lathan
You want a fun fact? Jamie did most of that. But the guy who filled in for Jamie in some of the football stuff was a gentleman by the name of Sam George, who played quarterback for Southern University in Baton Rouge.
[60:30]
Todd McShay
Interesting.
[60:31]
Van Lathan
Hbcu.
[60:32]
Todd McShay
I thought Jamie did all that shit himself.
[60:34]
Van Lathan
There was. He did most of it, but there were some things that. That. That. That he didn't do.
[60:39]
Todd McShay
I got Ronnie Sunshine Bass up there.
[60:41]
Van Lathan
Way up there. Once again, real football player.
[60:46]
Todd McShay
Rifleman. And all the Right Moves is my dark horse for this category because he's never mentioned. But go watch all the Right Moves. Watch some of the things he's doing in that movie. It's really impressive. Ahead of its time, even. Some people say, I got Keanu in here. Anybody else for you?
[61:01]
Van Lathan
James Vanderbeek, Varsity Blues. Yep.
[61:05]
Todd McShay
Make the case.
[61:06]
Van Lathan
Okay.
[61:07]
Todd McShay
So I. I thought he's. I. I didn't think he was good or bad. I thought he was passable.
[61:13]
Van Lathan
I think he did a good job. I think he did a good job. Paul Walker did a decent job as well. I know a little bit of inside of this. There's a. We did a movie back in the day in Baton Rouge, and one of the producers on the film was a lady named Sarah Flam. And she was coming out there and she throwing the football, and she was like, rifling the football. And I asked her, like, you know, I mean, are you quarterback princess or something like that? By the way, you did mention Helen Hunt. Are you a quarterback princess? And she goes, well, no. I did a movie called Varsity Blues. And on this movie there was a quarterback coach that gave all the people there intensive instructions.
[61:49]
Todd McShay
Interesting.
[61:50]
Van Lathan
On, like, how to be a quarterback. Like, they really put it into it. I think when you watch the movie, James Van Der Beek, it shows. It shows to me, him good tutelage, that he really took it seriously, I think.
[62:02]
Todd McShay
How'd you feel about Bakula?
[62:04]
Van Lathan
He.
[62:05]
Todd McShay
He's okay.
[62:06]
Van Lathan
He's okay. He. I bought it, though. I bought it. I wouldn't put him up with the rest of the. A lot of the guys you named are actually football.
[62:12]
Todd McShay
Craig Sheffer and the program. He's fine.
[62:15]
Van Lathan
They didn't really unleash too much on him as the QB there. What about your. What about your Friday Night Lights television show? Was anybody from there?
[62:23]
Todd McShay
Well, MBJ was on that. He was good.
[62:25]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[62:26]
Todd McShay
You know, we found out this week, reboot. You know who's never seen one episode of Friday Night Lights?
[62:31]
Van Lathan
Who?
[62:32]
Todd McShay
Craig.
[62:33]
Van Lathan
Explain yourself.
[62:35]
Todd McShay
Craig's defense was it came out. Came out when I was 12. I was like, well, fucking cheeseburgers came out in 1910, so you can't eat them.
[62:42]
Craig Krobeck
Like, it's not a similar argument.
[62:45]
Todd McShay
It's outrageous. You haven't seen that. It hits every interest you have.
[62:48]
Craig Krobeck
I know.
[62:49]
Todd McShay
You actually care about content. You care about well done content. You like serialized shows.
[62:54]
Craig Krobeck
What channel was it on?
[62:56]
Todd McShay
It was NBC, like, barely making it because we didn't have streamers yet.
[63:00]
Van Lathan
I haven't seen the show.
[63:01]
Todd McShay
Oh, what, Friday Night Lights?
[63:07]
Van Lathan
Yeah. What do you mean I haven't seen it? I've seen an episode of it.
[63:11]
Todd McShay
What?
[63:11]
Van Lathan
But I didn't watch it.
[63:12]
Craig Krobeck
There are dozens of us.
[63:14]
Van Lathan
I didn't watch it.
[63:15]
Todd McShay
What in the hell?
[63:16]
Van Lathan
I've seen an episode of it. I remember I watched one episode where Michael B. Jordan was running wind sprints and I was like, outrageous. Haven't seen the. Joe. This is. This is the Joanna podcast.
[63:27]
Todd McShay
If I can seen all seven Superman remakes and you haven't watched Friday Night Lights.
[63:33]
Van Lathan
Stop coming at my culture.
[63:34]
Todd McShay
You've seen Superman 4 and you haven't seen Friday nights.
[63:37]
Van Lathan
Superman 4 dozens of times. But I haven't seen that. I haven't seen the Friday nights. Friday Night Lights show. I've seen episodes of it, but I.
[63:44]
Todd McShay
Haven'T watched the show in this amazing show. Show. Incredibly important show. The Fortune 3 Clap Award for most gifable moment is any crazy Jon Favreau clip, I feel like. Right. Great shot. Gordo Award. This movie wasn't good enough to qualify.
[63:59]
Van Lathan
Oh, no, I got one.
[64:00]
Todd McShay
What do you got?
[64:01]
Van Lathan
There's one. There's one little one I think is a good shot in the last play where Falco takes the. He pulls the kick and he scores.
[64:16]
Todd McShay
Yeah.
[64:17]
Van Lathan
There's a great shot of him running and the flag coming in at the bottom. Oh, the flag.
[64:25]
Todd McShay
Yeah. I did notice that they don't just.
[64:26]
Van Lathan
Cut to the flag. The flag flashes in on the bottom of the camera. Almost in real cut.
[64:34]
Todd McShay
Yeah, that's smart.
[64:35]
Van Lathan
Then they come back to call. Yeah.
[64:37]
Todd McShay
Denathy's Benihana award for scene stealing location. Probably the bar. Like the bar. I think DC has strong bars.
[64:44]
Van Lathan
DC but also just rfk. Right. Weren't they in rfk?
[64:47]
Todd McShay
Oh, yeah.
[64:48]
Van Lathan
Well.
[64:48]
Todd McShay
But no, they were actually in Baltimore.
[64:49]
Van Lathan
Oh, were they? So. No.
[64:50]
Todd McShay
Yeah.
[64:51]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[64:52]
Todd McShay
Before we do Kid Cudi, we gotta take a break because it's an important category.
[65:01]
Van Lathan
Whole Foods Market has Thanksgiving gatherings covered. First things first, reserve your no antibiotics ever.
[65:08]
Todd McShay
Fresh whole turkey today, starting at $2.99 a pound.
[65:12]
Van Lathan
Or go with their organic spiral cut bone and ham full of seared in flavor for sides. Choose Whole Foods Market. Grab and go platters. Go even further and get your whole meal catered. Just order online by November 26th. Get Thanksgiving ready at Whole Foods Market.
[65:29]
Todd McShay
Terms apply.
[65:30]
Van Lathan
All right.
[65:31]
Todd McShay
Kid Cudi Pursuit of Happiness award for best needle drop. Craig theorized that 90% of the budget was spent on the music in this movie. I don't know if it was that high, but it might have been 80. Yeah, but I really like the Stones. Blinded by rainbows. So there's two songs from Voodoo Lounge, the 1994 Rolling Stones album that I would say is not considered a classic, that then featured prominently in two pop culture things that you love. One is Blinded by Rainbows. Can you think of the other?
[65:58]
Van Lathan
I can't.
[65:59]
Todd McShay
I'm gonna try Sopranos. Oh, last episode, season two.
[66:03]
Van Lathan
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[66:04]
Todd McShay
The Rolling. The Keith Richards song.
[66:07]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[66:08]
Todd McShay
So I'll give you that. I'll give you I will Survive in jail or I will give you the We Can Be Heroes ending.
[66:13]
Van Lathan
So it's probably I Will survive. We Can Be Heroes is Also great. But just a little shout out to Lit Ziploc. The way the movie starts. The movie starts literally. I thought about Craig. Cause he put that in the chat. But I thought about Craig. When the movie. It starts off like, right, with one.
[66:29]
Todd McShay
Of Those happy early 2000s songs.
[66:31]
Van Lathan
Early 2000s, late 90s kind of. But I'm gonna go. I will survive. Because it's like thematic to the movie.
[66:36]
Craig Krobeck
There's also. It's just the pure volume of music. There are so many songs. They're just like ripping banger song after banger song. It's like a 40 song playlist on this.
[66:44]
Van Lathan
Definitely.
[66:45]
Todd McShay
It feels like a very era specific movie. This movie feels like it came out between 1999 and 2001. And there's the only three years that could have come out with how they do it.
[66:54]
Van Lathan
And don't they have the police.
[66:56]
Todd McShay
The police play every breath you take. I want to get into that later. That's important. The Big Kahuna Burger.
[67:02]
Van Lathan
Word.
[67:03]
Todd McShay
Best use of food and drink. Probably the Japanese guy eating the hard boiled eggs.
[67:06]
Van Lathan
Yeah. That. Of them throwing the eggs at their car. The millionaires are egging them, but it's definitely eggs.
[67:11]
Todd McShay
The Butch's girlfriend award. Weak link of the film. Probably the premise of the scabs or the heroes is an interesting1.
[67:17]
Van Lathan
In 2024 that is by far the weak link of the movie.
[67:21]
Todd McShay
They just are like, you know what, we're doing it this way.
[67:23]
Van Lathan
Right.
[67:23]
Todd McShay
You're either with us or against us.
[67:25]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[67:27]
Todd McShay
We rarely get to give this a word out. I think we've given her three times the Seth Rogen Katherine Heigl award for worst chemistry. Keanu and Brooke Langton. Can we talk about it?
[67:40]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[67:40]
Todd McShay
I can't say it was electric between the two of them.
[67:43]
Van Lathan
It doesn't.
[67:43]
Todd McShay
She's trying hard. She's getting cleavage going and big smiles and wink winks. And I never felt like he totally likes her.
[67:50]
Van Lathan
Two great. Look. Wait a minute. You never felt like he totally likes her?
[67:54]
Todd McShay
I never felt like he was like, I would risk everything for this lady.
[67:58]
Van Lathan
I feel like she's.
[67:59]
Todd McShay
Which is. I think she deserved that.
[68:01]
Van Lathan
I feel like at the end of it, she was just kind of. I felt like it was the opposite. She was kind of like, all right.
[68:06]
Todd McShay
N. Like you would have been controversial.
[68:09]
Van Lathan
You know what I'm saying? Like, it would have been. But like she was just kind of like, okay, whatever.
[68:13]
Todd McShay
Oh, I think she.
[68:14]
Van Lathan
But he kept coming at her.
[68:15]
Todd McShay
He didn't show up for the date. I think you're going to Break up after that. She's never forgiving that they're going well for three months, and then she has two drinks and she's like. It's like when you didn't show up for the date that time. You motherfucker. Yeah, it's over. What stage is the worst Ebert on Madden and Somerset? This is what he wrote. Stashes them in a booth with a couple of TV monitors, has them stand around awkwardly as if looking at a game. Sometimes they're not even looking in the same direction. I rarely get to say this, but you, Raj. Yeah. Settle down. Don't go after Madness somewhere else. American Treasures can't go after other American Treasures. I didn't like that at all. Just stop it, Raj. And then I wrote this about John Favreau in 2001, and I recant it because I actually like him in this movie now. And I. I wrote how the Mighty have Fallen. It's impossible to overstate how dreadful Favreau is here. He makes you wince in pain during certain scenes. A career ending performance. Yeah, that's bad take.
[69:18]
Van Lathan
Not a good take.
[69:18]
Todd McShay
It's a freezing cold take.
[69:19]
Van Lathan
It's a freezing cold take. This is like, literally one of the five most powerful guys in the whole fucking time.
[69:24]
Todd McShay
I take it back. The Gary Glitter song always ages the worst when you hear it in a movie. Because he had one of the darkest Wikipedias you'll ever look at.
[69:32]
Van Lathan
Crazy. Yeah.
[69:33]
Todd McShay
All right, so tell me if this is a Wood stage the best, or what stage the worst. Keanu finally makes a move on Annabelle, and they're playing the Every Breath youh Take song from the Police. And then they use Madden and Sumrall commentary. Okay. But it bleeds into the football game, which is why they're doing it. But it makes it seem like the commentary is about Shane making a move on Annabelle. Does it work or does it not work?
[69:56]
Van Lathan
I fucking love it.
[69:57]
Todd McShay
Okay, good.
[69:58]
Van Lathan
Okay.
[69:58]
Todd McShay
I have it. In what stage? The best that and the worst I have.
[70:01]
Van Lathan
It's like, legitimately one of the more inventive things they do in the movie, because the movie is pretty paint by numbers, pretty predictable, but that's actually, like, pretty cool. That's like one of the. That's a. One of the more unique things about the movie.
[70:16]
Todd McShay
Like that in the deleted scenes, they cut to those guys and they're just.
[70:20]
Van Lathan
In their underwear, like, watching them on monitors. Yeah, that's the erotic theory thriller. It's about them.
[70:26]
Todd McShay
They.
[70:27]
Van Lathan
With John Madden.
[70:28]
Todd McShay
And then the last. What's aged the worst. I can't think of a paragraph that's more in your wheelhouse. Wilkinson, played by Michael Jace, was afraid to go back to prison in the quicksand scene.
[70:40]
Van Lathan
Carefully.
[70:41]
Todd McShay
And in 2016 was convicted of second degree murder in real life for murdering his wife and went to prison for 40 years.
[70:49]
Van Lathan
This guy went to my church. This was going to be a Van Lathan. Fun fact. It was a church and I don't know if it's still going. It's called Oasis. It was on Wilshire. I was embarrassed by a friend of mine that was visiting in town because Common showed up at the church one day and he went up to take a picture with Common during the service.
[71:08]
Todd McShay
Oh, no.
[71:09]
Van Lathan
But one time I see this guy there and he's ushering people and it's Michael Jace. I'm like, oh my God. I know this guy. I know him from a movie.
[71:19]
Todd McShay
He's in a horror movie, right?
[71:21]
Van Lathan
He's been in a bunch of movies. But there was one specific movie and this is like a underrated classic that know it's called Thickest Thieves. The movie is with Alec Baldwin. Michael Jai White. Wow.
[71:33]
Todd McShay
I don't know this movie. I can't believe I don't know this movie.
[71:36]
Van Lathan
It's Michael, Michael Baldwin.
[71:38]
Todd McShay
That sounds like something got stolen and then the guys escaped just knowing nothing.
[71:42]
Van Lathan
It's a movie about Alec Baldwin. Is plays. I haven't seen it in a long time, but there's the mobs involved and Michael Jai White runs one part of the underworld. And these two people are like up against each other. But it's very funny, it's very cool. I think Janine Garofalo's in it just like for a little while. She played like Alec Baldwin's ex or something like that.
[72:10]
Todd McShay
The IMDb is a thief is betrayed after a well done job in Detroit, returning to Chicago, he decides on revenge. Things escalate. How the fuck have I not seen this?
[72:21]
Van Lathan
It's really good.
[72:22]
Todd McShay
I'm outraged at myself.
[72:23]
Van Lathan
It's really good. It's a smaller movie. I don't know if it got theatrical relief. It released. It's really good. It's like Michael, Alec Baldwin is like trying to get revenge and all that stuff. Whatever.
[72:32]
Todd McShay
Andre Brower's in it.
[72:33]
Van Lathan
Andre Brauer plays Michael Jai White's number one in the movie.
[72:38]
Todd McShay
Sounds great.
[72:39]
Van Lathan
Michael J's is in that movie, so I recognize him from that. And everybody's like, oh, Michael James. But he was like serving at the church, like ushering people and helping out and all of that stuff. Like that and then one day he got arrested for murder and it was like a thing like with the church. Talk to the guy. Been around.
[72:56]
Todd McShay
Can we not shot the title of this bit and maybe not call it Van Lathan's Fun Fact? I don't know if we can get that one sponsored.
[73:04]
Van Lathan
Van Lathan's Unfinished.
[73:05]
Todd McShay
Van Lathan's Fun Fact. Presented by Arby's. I remember it was like deep fried turkey sandwich.
[73:10]
Van Lathan
And do you know. And the way that I learned about this, this one of the early TMZ moments, this was somebody that I knew. And then all of a sudden it comes into TMZ and I'm standing up, I'm like, I'm gonna know that guy. But yeah, 40 years. Murder in the second, right?
[73:24]
Todd McShay
Van Lathan's. Maybe not that Fun Fact.
[73:26]
Van Lathan
Maybe not that fun fact.
[73:29]
Todd McShay
Was. Was there a better title for this movie?
[73:32]
Van Lathan
Scabs? No. Nah, probably not.
[73:36]
Todd McShay
What do you think, Craig? Scabs. I like the Replacements. It's fine.
[73:40]
Van Lathan
Probably better.
[73:41]
Todd McShay
The only problem is there was another movie called the Replacements. Right. It's confusing.
[73:45]
Van Lathan
The oh, the oh and I don't know. I don't know. Another movie called the Replacements.
[73:48]
Todd McShay
Ruffalo Hannah. Rubinick Partridge. Overacting word. It's either Favreau with the. Give me the. I got you the ball. I got the ball. But I really think it's Martel Falco. It's great to see you. Now get the hell out of my locker room. He goes Pacino first, but second.
[74:02]
Van Lathan
Yeah, I got Orlando. I got Orlando Jones a little bit as well. Love you, Orlando. But he was hamming it up in this one and five row. The get me the ball thing.
[74:10]
Todd McShay
Kenny Diggity Award. Most memorable quote. Pain Hales. Chicks dig scars. Glory lasts forever. Great job. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. Hottest take award. What do you got?
[74:21]
Van Lathan
That they should actually have strippers in real NFL stadiums. Okay, okay. We're gearing this stuff for kids, all right? And the reality is that, let's face it, we've passed the point where it's for kids. It's just not for kids anymore. It's not for kids?
[74:40]
Todd McShay
Didn't the XFL try to do this basically?
[74:42]
Van Lathan
Perhaps. But maybe it used to be. You guys can't. We know too much about the game now for you to. The game is a bunch of people literally poisoning their brains.
[74:53]
Todd McShay
Right?
[74:53]
Van Lathan
Right.
[74:54]
Todd McShay
Yeah. Let's just own it.
[74:55]
Van Lathan
Yeah. It's not for kids. The game isn't for kids. Whatever. Kids. Look, if kids can enjoy it I'm not saying that we put the strippers out there in front of the kids, but there should be an adult part of the stadium where you can get a little. You know what I'm saying to you? And I'm with that. Gambling. All of this stuff, all of this stuff is for adults. We're grownups. All it is, we're grownups. We're grownups watching this grownup sport that we like where guys are literally shortening their lives. Bring some ladies out there, let them make some money off the NFL. The strippers are making money after the games. Let them make money during the games.
[75:27]
Todd McShay
Yeah, it's a first of a two part day for them.
[75:30]
Van Lathan
That's what I'm talking about.
[75:34]
Todd McShay
Here's mine. It's not even. This isn't a typical hot take. I had a friend who was really upset that I mentioned how I wanted to do a hot take for body double that Frankie Goes to Hollywood could have been queen. But I backed off. I was like, I can't do it. I can't. Because that's the whole point of the hottest take is to say something crazy and try to defend it. I don't think this is crazy. I just don't think we've made enough football movies. And I don't know if, if, you know, new president maybe. I know he's got some initiatives, he's naming a cabinet, but maybe this could be part of it.
[76:08]
Van Lathan
The.
[76:08]
Todd McShay
Are you talking about more football movies? Maybe a four year commitment to more football movies?
[76:13]
Van Lathan
What are you. There are guys in this movie that could be like actually named to his cabinet. You never know. He might.
[76:18]
Todd McShay
Maybe Trump needs a sports movie consultant.
[76:20]
Van Lathan
He might. Sports movies, Michael, Jason, his cabinet with some of the appointments.
[76:24]
Todd McShay
Do we have enough for. No. The answer is no. We're like one third where we need to be.
[76:29]
Van Lathan
Bill.
[76:30]
Todd McShay
I would watch 20 versions of the replacement.
[76:32]
Van Lathan
The sports movie itself is in peril because we know too much about sports. The sports movies now, so documentaries, it's.
[76:42]
Todd McShay
Better have ruined sports movies because like.
[76:44]
Van Lathan
Okay, so the sports movie now remember, like the movie that Adam Sandler had a couple years ago with the big guy from Spain, Hustle and Anthony Edwards. Hustle.
[76:51]
Todd McShay
Yeah.
[76:51]
Van Lathan
Okay, so that's a good movie.
[76:53]
Todd McShay
Yeah.
[76:53]
Van Lathan
Because it's a small story, more about basketball culture than it is about the actual NBA or college basketball. High flying bird movies like that. But movies about teams in sports leagues and stuff like that, they don't work as good anymore because the architects, archetypes of these athletes and stuff, they've been destroyed by what we actually know about them.
[77:15]
Todd McShay
Can I pitch you a movie?
[77:16]
Van Lathan
Give it to me.
[77:18]
Todd McShay
You know how sometimes the rich guys can have. Their son is on, like, North Carolina is, like, the 15th man, and they basically give money to the team, and the guy's on the team, but he never plays. Certainly a lot of injuries. That kid becomes gets into a game, does really well, has to, like, play minutes, and then it turns into a whole nepotism argument. That's all I have so far.
[77:43]
Van Lathan
That's the whole movie?
[77:45]
Todd McShay
No, that's half. That's half the movie.
[77:47]
Craig Krobeck
Like Dan Hurley's kid on YouTube?
[77:48]
Todd McShay
Yeah, it's a sports movie. I was thinking about that Gonzaga kid who got dunked on, who was the coach's son, and the kid got violently dunked on. And I was thinking, what if there was a scenario where this kid actually came into play during March Madness and was like, ollie from Hoosiers. That's all I have.
[78:01]
Van Lathan
So he starts cooking. Yeah, that's interesting.
[78:03]
Craig Krobeck
So it's all the Nepo babies, maybe, combined for one.
[78:06]
Todd McShay
Simple babies. Maybe Bronny James plays the son well because he's. You want a skilled basketball player, right? And then you have, like, a whole meta element to it.
[78:15]
Van Lathan
I'm with it.
[78:15]
Craig Krobeck
Nepo ball.
[78:16]
Van Lathan
Nipple ball.
[78:17]
Todd McShay
I said the word Brownie James, and Van's lip just curled. You didn't even know where it was going.
[78:22]
Van Lathan
You were not sure.
[78:24]
Todd McShay
The agendas, casting, what ifs. I couldn't find any. Not a lot of info in this movie. I can't say. There was no oral history. There was no, like, 20 years later featured. But the deaf guy became Roy from the Office, which is apparently a big deal to people who watch the Office. And then I like to think Andy Reid is the Cowboys coach in the.
[78:48]
Craig Krobeck
I like you disparaging for people who watch the Office.
[78:51]
Todd McShay
I just don't watch the Office.
[78:52]
Craig Krobeck
You're mad that I haven't seen Friday Night Lights, and you're disparaging the Office.
[78:56]
Todd McShay
I like to pretend Andy Reid is the Cowboys coach. In the end, they cut to him a couple times, and he looks like Andy Reid.
[79:02]
Van Lathan
You know what? I forgot something. That aged the worst.
[79:05]
Todd McShay
Oh, what is it? Andy Reid.
[79:07]
Van Lathan
No, he aged actually the best.
[79:09]
Todd McShay
Okay.
[79:10]
Van Lathan
Coaches wearing suits. When I watched this, remember Austin was talking about coaches need to wear suits. Everything Austin says, people go fucking nuts. But like. But like, coaches like coaches wearing suits. When I saw him on the sideline in the suit, I was like, oh, coaches used to wear suits.
[79:28]
Todd McShay
Yeah.
[79:28]
Van Lathan
For some reason, when you Say, Andy Reid.
[79:30]
Todd McShay
You know who ruined that? Mike Nolan on the San Francisco 49ers when he made a big thing about suits and fedoras and the team sucked.
[79:36]
Van Lathan
Right.
[79:36]
Todd McShay
And he got fired in, like, two years. And people were like, we're done with that. Hey, we don't get this out that often. The Van Lathan Award for this movie. Need more black people.
[79:45]
Van Lathan
No.
[79:47]
Todd McShay
Pretty. Pretty well represented.
[79:49]
Van Lathan
Yeah, yeah.
[79:50]
Todd McShay
Best. That guy. Michael Jace doesn't qualify.
[79:53]
Van Lathan
Nice out.
[79:54]
Todd McShay
The assistant coach who looks like a chubby Ed O'Neill.
[79:57]
Van Lathan
Oh, he's been around a lot.
[79:58]
Todd McShay
He's one of those guys.
[79:59]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[80:00]
Todd McShay
His name's Art lafleur. But I think the winner is Eddie Martel. He's played by some guy named Brett Cullen. I can't name one other thing I've seen him in. If I see him in anything, I just think he's Eddie Martel.
[80:10]
Van Lathan
But he's been in a lot of shit, though.
[80:12]
Todd McShay
Did you know his name?
[80:13]
Van Lathan
I didn't. What do I know? What's his this?
[80:15]
Todd McShay
Wouldn't you know him as Eddie Martel? You'd be like, oh, my God, that's Eddie Martel.
[80:18]
Van Lathan
I'm trying to think he's a that guy. He's definitely a that guy, but I think he's a that guy from a different movie. I think I think of him as somebody from a different movie. I can't think of the movie, though. I. I'm thinking of a Western that I know him from.
[80:30]
Todd McShay
He's somewhere.
[80:30]
Craig Krobeck
What about Faison Love?
[80:32]
Todd McShay
I think he's Faison Love.
[80:33]
Van Lathan
Faison Love got too much. Too much. Yeah.
[80:36]
Craig Krobeck
I feel like my people my age just to see him as the guy from. Who plays Santa.
[80:39]
Van Lathan
An elf, but Fazon love. Remember Faison Love? Yeah, he. He. You know, you people from my age think of him as Big Worm from Friday.
[80:47]
Craig Krobeck
Friday, yeah.
[80:48]
Van Lathan
So, you know.
[80:48]
Todd McShay
Yeah, he's been. Deon. Waiter's a word. I'll give you Madden and Summer. I'll give you Jack Warden as the owner. And I'll give you the winners, the two stripper cheerleaders.
[80:56]
Van Lathan
The two stripper cheerleaders are up there. I feel like this is.
[80:59]
Todd McShay
They're going to be in the bracket, Craig.
[81:01]
Van Lathan
I feel like they're up there.
[81:02]
Todd McShay
We're doing a DN Waiter's bracket like Martian.
[81:04]
Van Lathan
You don't feel like Madden and Sumrall are the clear winners here, though, over.
[81:09]
Todd McShay
The two stripper cheerleaders.
[81:11]
Van Lathan
I get it. I get it. But madness. Some are all.
[81:14]
Todd McShay
They're pretty great.
[81:15]
Van Lathan
They're pretty Great.
[81:15]
Todd McShay
Co winners.
[81:16]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[81:17]
Todd McShay
First time ever. Madden and Summer. I'll get to share something with two stripper cheerleaders.
[81:21]
Van Lathan
We don't know what happened on the road.
[81:23]
Todd McShay
Recasting couch Director of City. We gotta get a different Eddie Martell. I feel like we could have done better. I'll give you a couple choices. Matt Dillon.
[81:33]
Van Lathan
Oh, that works.
[81:35]
Todd McShay
Steven Weber. Single wave female.
[81:38]
Van Lathan
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[81:39]
Todd McShay
The guy who's getting the blowjob at the end.
[81:41]
Van Lathan
Yeah, I'm gonna tell her from.
[81:44]
Todd McShay
From Wings.
[81:45]
Van Lathan
From Wings, yeah, on NBC. David Duchovny doesn't have the football player type.
[81:51]
Todd McShay
All right, so you like Matt Dillon?
[81:52]
Van Lathan
Matt Dillon or Steven Weber works too.
[81:54]
Todd McShay
Okay. Romo Collinsworth or someone else for the director's commentary? I gotta be honest, we don't need other announcements. Matt and Somer are so good in this. I don't know if I would put another announcer in this. Not even Ryan Ruko?
[82:07]
Van Lathan
No, man, some are perfect. Those guys are the goats at what they do. Everybody's chasing them.
[82:12]
Todd McShay
Yeah, half ass Internet research. So Shane Falco's meltdown in the 1996 Super Bowl.
[82:19]
Van Lathan
Sugar Bowl.
[82:20]
Todd McShay
Sugar Bowl. I literally have Sugar bowl in my notes and somehow fucked that up. Anyway, there was no Sugar bowl in 96. They played on 12-31-95 and they played on 1-02-97.
[82:35]
Van Lathan
Oh wow.
[82:36]
Todd McShay
So maybe they used 96 because there was no Sugar bowl that year.
[82:39]
Van Lathan
Maybe. So something else that you know who he lost to in the game? Who? In the Sugar bowl?
[82:46]
Todd McShay
Osu.
[82:47]
Van Lathan
Nah, he lost to. He, he. Shane Falco lost to Florida State.
[82:51]
Todd McShay
Oh.
[82:51]
Van Lathan
Which you talk about something that has aged the worst.
[82:54]
Todd McShay
Yeah.
[82:55]
Van Lathan
Nobody is losing to Florida State right now.
[82:58]
Todd McShay
Are they going to D3? You think.
[83:02]
Van Lathan
Florida State is in all time hell right now.
[83:05]
Todd McShay
Yeah, tough one. Keanu gained 23 pounds for his role as Shane Falco. And then apparently in the I Will Survive dancing, Keanu is replaced by a stunt double who's hiding his face. I don't know if that means Keanu can't dance or maybe he was sick. I find it hard to believe he can't dance. He does all the John Wick Matrix stuff. He can't dance. Can do like 10 minute fight scenes. Can't dance.
[83:29]
Van Lathan
Maybe he couldn't. There are times where you see and he looks like he could be struggling a little bit. The Electric slide isn't for the weakness.
[83:35]
Todd McShay
Apex Mountain. Not a lot of candidates here. Keanu? No. Brooke Langton? No. I still think it's Melrose Place. Madden and some are all no no. Jack Warden. No. You just. It's No's around. Except for throwing a trophy. Football underwater. I'd never seen that before.
[83:53]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[83:54]
Todd McShay
Scabs.
[83:55]
Van Lathan
Scabs. Movies about scabs.
[83:57]
Todd McShay
Movies about scabs.
[83:58]
Van Lathan
No, movies celebrate scabs. If you think about north, any movie about labor celebrates. Labor celebrates. Like Norma Rae. Norma Rae, Yeah. This is the apex mountain of movies about scabs that I can think about.
[84:12]
Todd McShay
21St century football movies.
[84:15]
Van Lathan
Remember the Friday Night Lights? Remember the Titans?
[84:18]
Todd McShay
Mention it. Yeah, I think it's probably Friday Night Lights. But you could also talk me into Remember the Titans.
[84:25]
Van Lathan
Remember the Titans.
[84:27]
Todd McShay
Which goes back to my original point. All these movies are early 2000.
[84:30]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[84:31]
Todd McShay
Like we haven't had anything since. All right, one more break and then we're doing cruiser Hanks. Well, this is one of the best cruiser Hanks we've ever had.
[84:45]
Van Lathan
I agree.
[84:47]
Todd McShay
Cruz's Shane Falco is unbelievable. I also feel like 80s Hanks could have played Shane Falco. But I'm going with Cruz and I think he's the right answer.
[84:55]
Van Lathan
I think he's the clear answer. Either guy could have done it.
[84:58]
Todd McShay
But like this is an amazing cruise. This is basically cocktail crossed with Cruz being a replacement strike quarterback.
[85:05]
Van Lathan
Nothing to Keanu. Love him.
[85:07]
Todd McShay
Yeah.
[85:07]
Van Lathan
If Cruz is in this movie, it makes $150 million.
[85:10]
Todd McShay
I think more.
[85:12]
Van Lathan
You think so?
[85:12]
Todd McShay
Yeah. 200 million.
[85:14]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[85:14]
Todd McShay
I don't. I don't think he could have thrown the throwing scenes. I'm just judging from War of the Worlds when he's trying to throw the baseball, I don't know if he could have done the quarterback stuff.
[85:22]
Van Lathan
He's also very small.
[85:23]
Todd McShay
Yeah. And so he would have to be like a Kyler Murray.
[85:26]
Van Lathan
Yeah. He's going to scrambling around. It's going to be a hole.
[85:28]
Todd McShay
That's why he lost the Sugar bowl.
[85:30]
Van Lathan
Because that's why he didn't get drafted.
[85:32]
Todd McShay
He didn't get drive. He's too short.
[85:33]
Van Lathan
He's too small. For the. For the.
[85:35]
Todd McShay
There's Doug Flutie biases. Remember Doug Flutie didn't get a job for a while. I think it's Cruz. Racehorse, rock band, wrestler. Fantasy team name Wild Yams is pretty good.
[85:43]
Van Lathan
Yeah. Wild Yams. Yeah, I just had yams.
[85:46]
Todd McShay
But picking nets.
[85:47]
Van Lathan
I like yams.
[85:48]
Todd McShay
So Shane's All American trophy is just at the bottom of the ocean under a boat.
[85:54]
Van Lathan
He obviously threw it there.
[85:56]
Todd McShay
Nothing happened to it. It's just still there. He.
[85:58]
Van Lathan
I mean. What do you mean nothing happened to it?
[86:01]
Todd McShay
Why did he throw it there? Was that his Boat.
[86:03]
Van Lathan
Well, he was. He. He's cleaning boats, but he also lives out there, so I think the.
[86:09]
Todd McShay
So he got drunk and threw his trophy.
[86:11]
Van Lathan
He got drunk or he's moving on from football?
[86:13]
Todd McShay
Wouldn't have sold the trophy. We have eBay in 2000.
[86:15]
Van Lathan
He threw his trophy down there. The only question is he's seeing his trophy and then wanting to play with it again after that. Maybe, but he. It's clear he threw the trophy off the boat into the ocean.
[86:27]
Todd McShay
So they have a strike. The players go on strike. The cheerleaders also went on strike.
[86:31]
Van Lathan
Yeah, the cheerleaders also.
[86:32]
Todd McShay
The cheerleaders are in the National Football League players union.
[86:35]
Van Lathan
Yeah. Solidarity.
[86:37]
Todd McShay
What?
[86:37]
Van Lathan
Yeah, they decide to do it. Whatever.
[86:40]
Todd McShay
Nigel gruff kicks a 65 yard field goal to win the game, which would have been a record by 2 yards. Like, maybe goes 61. Like, settle down. You're not beating Tom Dempsey in 2000. Shane Falco is recovering onside kicks. He's out there in that formation. Yeah, no, he's on the other side. He's trying to get the onside kick.
[86:59]
Van Lathan
Oh, wait. Oh, yeah, well. Oh, yeah, no, he's on. Yeah, he's on the receiving. Wait, he's trying to get it. Oh, he's on the kickoff team.
[87:05]
Todd McShay
Onside kicking team. He's on the kickoff team. He's the quarterback. They're not doing that. Why wouldn't Shane have stayed on as backup QB for the last game?
[87:15]
Van Lathan
Why did he leave?
[87:17]
Todd McShay
They only had one qb.
[87:19]
Van Lathan
They've. By the way, that's another thing. He's their starting QB and their holder, which I. Which happens sometimes. Hadn't happened since Romo. Right. Nobody else's.
[87:28]
Todd McShay
Romo killed it.
[87:29]
Van Lathan
Romo killed it. But he just decides, okay, I'm too good to be the backup. And they don't seem to have a backup quarterback on the team. They seem to be one deep at quarterback.
[87:38]
Todd McShay
It's a hole again. Sports movie consultant agency fixes that pretty quick. Why does Eddie Martel care about Annabelle the bartender in that scene where she's like, she's too good for you, Shane. Are there like five scenes missing? Why is he involved? Did he used to date her? And if he did used to date her, why not have that scene?
[87:58]
Van Lathan
Yeah, something got cut. Something got cut because.
[88:01]
Todd McShay
Put it back.
[88:02]
Van Lathan
He just throws that out there as if he cares about who she sees or whatever. And he also.
[88:08]
Todd McShay
Well, obviously they dated.
[88:09]
Van Lathan
I know, but he also knows that they've got something going on, which there's no indication in the movie that anybody knows that really?
[88:17]
Todd McShay
Right. It's a hole. My guess is it was another cliche scene and they're like, we're already at 8. We can also have Eddie Martel dating Keanu's new girlfriend.
[88:27]
Van Lathan
There could have been like a whole storyline where Keanu doesn't go to meet her because he finds out that she slept with Eddie Martel as well. Or maybe Eddie Martel is the reason why she doesn't date football players, especially quarterbacks.
[88:42]
Todd McShay
That's. I mean, that's clearly the answer.
[88:45]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[88:47]
Todd McShay
Why did Madden and Somerle announce every Washington game? They didn't move them around. There wasn't a Giants game. Just four straight weeks of they're doing Washington games.
[88:55]
Van Lathan
Right.
[88:56]
Todd McShay
Thought it was suspicious. It could have worked in Gus Johnson, maybe for a game. All right, here's the big one. Well, there. Do you have other ones?
[89:03]
Van Lathan
I have a huge one Only team with replacements.
[89:08]
Todd McShay
Well, they say how Dallas. Whole team crossed, right?
[89:12]
Van Lathan
Well, they're playing.
[89:12]
Todd McShay
So we're supposed to think the whole league was using replacement players, right?
[89:16]
Van Lathan
Well, yeah, except for the fact that they play other guys and they list off their accolades.
[89:25]
Todd McShay
Yep.
[89:25]
Van Lathan
They say, this guy did this. Or maybe that was just Dallas.
[89:28]
Todd McShay
Maybe.
[89:29]
Van Lathan
Maybe that was just Dallas. But like the movie actually. The whole movie is actually a huge nit. But it is. But that was my big one. My big one was. It was unclear to me how many teams were actually.
[89:46]
Todd McShay
Yeah, we're missing a Sports center scene where, like, Rich Eisen's telling us how 240 of the 300, whatever, offensive players or scabs or whatever.
[89:57]
Van Lathan
Right. Here's the point. One more thing for me, okay? Shane Falco fucks off one college football game. Like, what kind of. What, what. What kind of prospect was he? He fucks off one college football game.
[90:13]
Todd McShay
So I have this, an unanswerable question, okay. How bad was his box score in that game?
[90:19]
Van Lathan
It doesn't matter how bad it was.
[90:21]
Todd McShay
We know he lost by 45 points.
[90:22]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[90:24]
Todd McShay
Would you say over under five and a half turnovers, you're going over or under?
[90:28]
Van Lathan
Well, they lost 45 to nothing, so he had to give them some points.
[90:32]
Todd McShay
So if I said he. Two lost fumbles, three picks plus a pick six.
[90:38]
Van Lathan
Right.
[90:38]
Todd McShay
Six turnovers and a fumble. Touchdown and a pick six as two of the six turnovers.
[90:43]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[90:44]
Todd McShay
And it's so bad that he literally.
[90:47]
Van Lathan
Can'T get drafted, so no one drafts him.
[90:49]
Todd McShay
Does he take a shit on the field? What's like, he gets hit, he just, like, loses his bowels. Like, what's the worst Thing that could.
[90:56]
Van Lathan
Happen to him in this game to where he just. To where no one touches.
[90:59]
Todd McShay
He didn't even start crying.
[91:01]
Van Lathan
He doesn't even.
[91:01]
Todd McShay
Like a Little League serious person.
[91:03]
Van Lathan
Does he walk off the field during the game?
[91:05]
Todd McShay
Leave the game?
[91:06]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[91:08]
Todd McShay
Here's my biggest nitpick. Shane Falco watches the first half of the big game on his boat. And the half ends and Gene Hackman's coming off the field and they're like, what happened the first half? What are you missing? He's like, heart. And Shane Falco's watch is like, Hart right here. Jane Falco turns off the tv. He's at the dock. Three minutes later, he's in the locker room. A, how close was the doc to the football stadium? B, even if you get there, you got to park in the players parking lot. You're running through. It's 25 minutes minimum. Yeah, right. He's there in four minutes. And they're like, we hope that. We hope nobody notices this. Well, it's like, guess what? You're on TNT now for 24 fucking years. It's absurd. He should have left at the end of the first quarter.
[91:57]
Van Lathan
This is why we need Mallory. Because the only question I have is if this is Baltimore.
[92:04]
Todd McShay
Well, it's Washington in Baltimore.
[92:05]
Van Lathan
Yeah, Washington in Baltimore. Baltimore pretending to be Washington fucking changes it then. Yeah, because I don't know. I was gonna say maybe if it's Baltimore, then you're around the bay, and.
[92:14]
Todd McShay
Then it's 25 minutes minimum.
[92:16]
Van Lathan
Yeah. Yeah, I tried.
[92:17]
Todd McShay
So the move should have been. If we were the sports movie consultant agency on this one, it'd be like, no, make it so. A Gene Hackman interview at the end of the first quarter when it's 17. Nothing. Then he turns off the TV and leaves.
[92:28]
Van Lathan
But he's listening to the game on the radio so he could hear it. Kind of like a Moneyball where kid is listening to the game, he goes back.
[92:37]
Todd McShay
Sequel. Prequel. Prestige tv. All black cast or Untouchable?
[92:40]
Van Lathan
Leave it alone.
[92:42]
Todd McShay
Prestige tv, you could talk me into.
[92:45]
Van Lathan
Really?
[92:45]
Todd McShay
Yeah, like. Like, you know how they do American Sports Story? And it's like this. This season it's Aaron Hernandez. Maybe it's just every season's about scab replacement players. We just do it that way. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trejo, Sid Goldberg, Sam Jackson, J.T. walsh, Nell Byron Mayo, Harley Mays, Evil laughing Ramon Raymond Long Legs or Philip Baker Hall? Can I give you Sam Jackson?
[93:15]
Van Lathan
As I was about to say, go ahead and go for the Sam Jackson. Go for It.
[93:19]
Todd McShay
The movie needs Sam Jackson.
[93:20]
Van Lathan
I agree. Give it to us.
[93:23]
Todd McShay
Deep Blue Sea cameo. Sam Jackson. He's just four scenes. Sam, here's a million dollars. Just four scenes, two days.
[93:30]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[93:30]
Todd McShay
Just stand on the sidelines, be like, what the fuck are we doing? And do a couple Sam Jackson things.
[93:35]
Van Lathan
No, no, no, no.
[93:35]
Todd McShay
What do you want him to do?
[93:36]
Van Lathan
No, I want you to do something. It's a new America. Things are different now.
[93:41]
Todd McShay
Oh, Sam Jackson.
[93:43]
Van Lathan
No, give us your best Sam Jackson. When this other. When this. When this. When this.
[93:49]
Todd McShay
It's a new America. What does that mean?
[93:51]
Van Lathan
When this. You know what the fuck I'm talking about. When this happens, I normally get My man Cr. Cr. Somewhere, I normally get a voice. You gotta give us a Sam Jackson.
[94:06]
Todd McShay
So maybe. Maybe at halftime, Shane Falco comes in and he's like, oh, I got it. And Eddie Martel says, get out of the locker room. We go back and forth. And then Sam Jackson turns Teddy Martell and goes, I don't remember asking you a goddamn thing.
[94:25]
Van Lathan
I like it. I like it. That's it. That's it.
[94:28]
Todd McShay
It's got five lines. Just one Oscar. Who gets it? I'm gonna go with the rare Nobody. There are no Oscars given out for this movie.
[94:36]
Van Lathan
I want to go with nobody. But if you had to do it in the spirit, Hackman is the only person taking the movie seriously.
[94:43]
Todd McShay
Probably unanswerable questions. We did Shane Falco's box score. What kind of. What kind of business was this for Annabelle, this bar that she had that she had to close every time there was a football game? I just worried about her financially.
[94:58]
Van Lathan
Right.
[94:59]
Todd McShay
So I would think the football game would be a big night at the bar.
[95:02]
Van Lathan
Are we sure that she's the only person that works there, though? Maybe she has.
[95:04]
Todd McShay
She's literally the only. They don't even have, like, bar backs or another bartender or busboys, anything. Yeah, she's closing it herself. There's no bouncer.
[95:13]
Van Lathan
I made up a whole backstory.
[95:15]
Todd McShay
Well, okay, what is it?
[95:17]
Van Lathan
So Annabelle is the owner's daughter, but not through his marriage.
[95:22]
Todd McShay
Illegitimate.
[95:24]
Van Lathan
Boom. Annabelle is the owner's illegitimate daughter.
[95:27]
Todd McShay
See, we made Annabelle so much interesting just in this podcast. He dated Eddie Martel. She's gonna turn into Fatal Attraction. She's the owner's daughter. That's great. I love it.
[95:35]
Van Lathan
He gave her a bar. She wants to be close to him, so she cheerleads also to bother him a little bit. So she doesn't really need the money when the bar closes for the games.
[95:45]
Todd McShay
Best use of Every breath you take, I will give you Stranger things, Billions, Risky Business, the Replacements or Sopranos first episode, season three?
[95:54]
Van Lathan
Sopranos first episode of season three by a mile. But I.
[95:57]
Todd McShay
That's my answer as well.
[95:58]
Van Lathan
I'll listen to Risky Business though.
[96:00]
Todd McShay
Okay, best double feature choice. So you'd go unnecessary roughness right into this so you could compare and contrast?
[96:07]
Van Lathan
No, I thought about it, but I actually go any given Sunday because these are the last gasps of the NFL football movie. Yes.
[96:14]
Todd McShay
You could also talk me into Hardball, the Keanu double. The Keanu double feature.
[96:17]
Van Lathan
Double feature. Did he do another sports movie after? Did he. These are his only two sports movies. Hardball and this one Point Break count.
[96:24]
Todd McShay
No.
[96:24]
Van Lathan
Yeah, it is. It's surfing and football kind of. Yeah.
[96:28]
Todd McShay
The Indian Reds want an air word what happened the next day. So what does Shane Falco's next few years of his career look like? He's 26 or 27. Looked pretty good in these replacement games.
[96:38]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[96:39]
Todd McShay
Can he catch on as a backup for like in Pittsburgh? He's Cordell Stewart, third string quarterback. Maybe get some time for like a year and a half.
[96:47]
Craig Krobeck
He gets a Matt Flynn like deal.
[96:49]
Todd McShay
Matt Flynn?
[96:50]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[96:50]
Todd McShay
Maybe next three games.
[96:51]
Craig Krobeck
Out of the league in three years.
[96:53]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[96:53]
Todd McShay
The Lions get excited about him. I feel like he has at least 10 NFL starts.
[96:58]
Van Lathan
I have Shane Falco, Fonz fanduel.
[97:03]
Todd McShay
Interesting.
[97:03]
Van Lathan
Goes a different way. He talks to the guy about gambling. The kicker.
[97:08]
Todd McShay
Yeah.
[97:09]
Van Lathan
They start talking about it.
[97:10]
Todd McShay
He gets in on the ground, his wheels start turning.
[97:12]
Van Lathan
Wheels start turning. He's giving the picks right now. It's combine this movie with two for the money. That's his future.
[97:20]
Todd McShay
I like it. What piece of memorability would you want from this movie? The Shane Falco jersey would be pretty great.
[97:26]
Van Lathan
I want the trophy.
[97:28]
Todd McShay
Trophy's great. I like the hat. Would be good. Yeah. Washington hat.
[97:34]
Van Lathan
Their merch is cool.
[97:35]
Todd McShay
Yeah, I like their merch. Coach Finstock award for best life lesson. Pain Heels, Chick stick Scars, Glory Lasts forever. Who won the movie?
[97:46]
Van Lathan
This is a tough one.
[97:47]
Todd McShay
I had a lot of. I didn't. I put question marks.
[97:50]
Van Lathan
This is a tough one.
[97:51]
Todd McShay
I don't feel like Keanu won it.
[97:52]
Van Lathan
I don't feel like he won it either. This is the most. Can.
[97:56]
Todd McShay
Can we say Brooke Langton won it? I think everybody loves her in this movie and I think the common refrain is like, why didn't. So she was in Swinger, she was in Melrose Place. She had like a 10 year run.
[98:08]
Van Lathan
This is the most. This is the least leady Part from a leading man I've ever seen. I don't feel like Keanu won this movie. If anything, Scabs won it.
[98:18]
Todd McShay
But I could win stripper cheerleaders.
[98:19]
Van Lathan
Stripper cheerleaders could win it. I'm into that.
[98:22]
Todd McShay
Who won the movie? Craig?
[98:24]
Craig Krobeck
I finished this movie because of Brooke. I probably would have bailed had she.
[98:27]
Van Lathan
Not been in this film. Desperate to know what you think.
[98:31]
Todd McShay
Yeah. All right, let's hear it.
[98:34]
Craig Krobeck
This one might be only a rewatchable because it's not a watchable.
[98:38]
Todd McShay
It's not a first time watch.
[98:39]
Craig Krobeck
You can't watch this movie for the first time in 2024. And honestly, it's not even because of the problematic stuff. There are plenty of movies that have problematic stuff that came out a long time ago that you can still watch now and appreciate. This one, this one's just not good. This one's like. This is like someone else's hand me down.
[98:57]
Todd McShay
Yeah.
[98:57]
Craig Krobeck
You know, this is my reaction when.
[98:59]
Todd McShay
I saw it in 2000.
[99:00]
Van Lathan
Right.
[99:01]
Todd McShay
No, it's like, this movie's not good. They didn't really try that out.
[99:03]
Craig Krobeck
There's no charm for me. It's somebody else giving me a hand me down from their family. And I'm like, this doesn't mean anything to me.
[99:09]
Van Lathan
What is your favorite older football movie?
[99:12]
Craig Krobeck
This movie came out the same time as it came out a month before. Remember the Titans. That's my favorite. That and like sandlot probably.
[99:19]
Todd McShay
So this is why we call it the Wear Me down rewatchable.
[99:22]
Van Lathan
Right.
[99:23]
Todd McShay
But it took literally seven, eight years for me to admit that I kind of secretly enjoyed this movie.
[99:28]
Craig Krobeck
I think the reason why this movie is weird is because it's like trying to be dodgeball and also a little bit of Remember the Titans and it doesn't pick a side. I think Remember the Titans and Sandlot and a lot of those movies have like, real values you can take from it. This movie doesn't have any of that.
[99:43]
Todd McShay
But this is what the early 90s sports movies were like.
[99:45]
Craig Krobeck
But then they should have just leaned in and like, I think Gene Hackman is. I think it actually. They should have went even sillier and just made it completely slapstick. Because Hackman tries to reel you back in and make it a real movie and it's not.
[99:56]
Van Lathan
I agree with that.
[99:57]
Todd McShay
This movie doesn't know what it is.
[99:58]
Van Lathan
They kind of don't know what movie they're making. Because even the sand, the Sandlot is a movie where a lot of funny stuff happens.
[100:04]
Craig Krobeck
Totally.
[100:04]
Van Lathan
But the Sandlot is really about something.
[100:06]
Craig Krobeck
It's coming of age.
[100:07]
Van Lathan
Coming of age.
[100:08]
Todd McShay
And yet it came out a month ago after a basketball game. And both of us started watching it.
[100:14]
Van Lathan
Because I like the movie.
[100:16]
Todd McShay
How did it break us down is the enduring question of this.
[100:19]
Van Lathan
You know what the reality is, and you know, it gets thrown around a lot. A movie just doesn't have to be good for you to like it. Yeah, you can like a movie for all kinds of reasons. It can be amusing, it can be funny in spots. This movie is not a good movie, but it is incredibly watchable.
[100:36]
Craig Krobeck
Most pieces of content are just tied to when you saw it and how it made you feel and what age you were. It's like why people's favorite music is always the music they listen to when they were in high school or college. It doesn't mean it's the best, but it's.
[100:46]
Van Lathan
But this movie is funny, though. Yeah. I mean, to me, it's funny. It's like, she's beautiful. It has stuff to look at. I like Keanu Reeves, I like Gene Hackney. But it's not a movie I won't watch.
[101:01]
Todd McShay
The big sign to me, is that tnt, tbs, like, it just.
[101:05]
Van Lathan
It's still on because people still want to watch it.
[101:07]
Todd McShay
People still watch it. Cause they study this shit. And they're like, every time we put the replacements on, it keeps whatever rating.
[101:13]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[101:14]
Craig Krobeck
I just thought about this when you guys were talking. So I could be wrong. This might not be fully baked, but I think sports movies about professional sports are worse, you know?
[101:23]
Todd McShay
You mean worse like in life or just like.
[101:26]
Craig Krobeck
No, like the movie's just not as good. I feel like it's harder to work. Everyone's older. If it's about professional sports, the characters are older. There's like a business element that's not that fun. It's not coming of age. When I think to all the best sports movies, they're always about kids or.
[101:40]
Todd McShay
Like college, high school or college.
[101:41]
Van Lathan
High school, high school or college.
[101:43]
Craig Krobeck
It never.
[101:43]
Todd McShay
Like, you loved Rudy.
[101:45]
Craig Krobeck
Yeah, Rudy. What's the best pro sports movie?
[101:48]
Todd McShay
None of them have 100% worked any given Sunday.
[101:51]
Craig Krobeck
Major league.
[101:52]
Van Lathan
Oh, major league is best.
[101:53]
Todd McShay
Oh, you're saying any sport.
[101:54]
Van Lathan
Any sport. Major league is by far the best thing. Yeah, Major league. But you know what?
[101:58]
Todd McShay
Slap Shot.
[101:59]
Van Lathan
I'd say that, like about movies, if you're talking about baseball movies, though, baseball movies might be better. When they're about pro baseball.
[102:07]
Craig Krobeck
Well, it's because there is no college. Baseball is not a thing.
[102:10]
Van Lathan
Right. The natural or you have to down the kids.
[102:14]
Todd McShay
Where do you stand on Eddie the fucking movie with Whoopi Goldberg coaches the Knicks, comes out of the stands.
[102:20]
Van Lathan
Movie.
[102:21]
Todd McShay
That's kind of like this movie to me, where these. There was this silly sports movie era that kept going until, I don't know, early 2000s.
[102:29]
Van Lathan
Where do you stand on Celtic Pride?
[102:31]
Todd McShay
It's terrible. It's really bad, I would say, if it was about any team. It's just not a good movie.
[102:36]
Van Lathan
Yeah.
[102:36]
Todd McShay
It's not a fun hang.
[102:38]
Van Lathan
It's a weird one. Yeah.
[102:39]
Todd McShay
Yeah. I don't really like it.
[102:40]
Craig Krobeck
Also, this movie's two hours. Why is this movie two hours long? This movie needs to be 140.
[102:46]
Todd McShay
Craig and Ebert.
[102:47]
Van Lathan
Craig. Yeah.
[102:48]
Todd McShay
You know what's funny? Craig's gonna text me, like, six years from now. He's like, you know what? Replacements was on tonight? I'm kind of in now.
[102:54]
Craig Krobeck
I'm on Pluto and I'm drunk.
[102:56]
Todd McShay
Replacement. Elon's rocket. Watching the replacement.
[103:01]
Craig Krobeck
No, I'm talking about the streaming service.
[103:03]
Todd McShay
Not the planet eating ice cream pellets.
[103:06]
Van Lathan
Pluto.
[103:07]
Todd McShay
The planet? You can tell me either. Pluto. All right, that's it for the rewatchables, produced by Craig Krobeck. You can watch this on The Ringer Movies YouTube channel thanks to Van Lathan. See you next week.