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That's me.
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This is. Is this our third Rewatchables this week?
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Yes, it's the third published rewatchables.
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Are you tired of seeing me?
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B
No, I love it, man. You're the. I get up in the morning, higher.
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Learning in that voice. Midnight boys. And then.
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Almost forgot the name of the podcast.
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The Ringer Tailgate. No, because that was. Which is just coming into its own.
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C
It is.
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It's quite a podcast. Billy Gill came in, he shook things up a lot like, who is Beecher's guy? And us. Who's the. Who's the guy that Chris Maloney played? What was that guy's name when he came in and shook up us?
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He shook him. He shook up Beecher, all right. He shook the shit out of him.
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He really did shake him up.
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Billy Gill. But his name is the Duke, though. That's his name.
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The Duke.
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The Duke, like as an escape from New York.
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That's. That's Billy's Nick. You are the Duke.
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That's on the list to redo. This is our last rewatchables movie of 2025 because we have a very special episode coming a week from now. We're doing a 2025 movie, the second 2025 movie we've done because we've done Sinners. A movie that has now been maligned and shut out of all the critics list. Any feelings on that?
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No, I don't want to get into it. Entertainment Weekly. Put it on the van.
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I think it's really big of you to come by and do one battle after another. Rewatchables like this.
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Yeah, that's stuff coming up next. Now we're doing F1. The movie is next. This episode of the Rewatchables is presented by State Farm. Whether you're debating watching that award winning sports drama or rewatching your comfort buddy comedy Movie for the 10th time, choices are important. When it comes to choosing coverage, A State Farm agent can help you find options that are right for you. Go online@state farm.com or use the award winning app to get help from one of their local agents. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. All right. F1. I have it as the number one. I can't believe this actually worked out. Movie of the 2020 CR felt like a bust for two years.
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Like the. The meter was running on this one for a while. There's some controversial reporting and back and forth between the production and our. Our own, our buddy Matt Bellamy about how much this movie cost. It was like, this is just. Is this just going to be on my iPhone? Like what's going on?
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And it wound up heavily involved. It's like, what do they know about movies? Yeah, Brad, Pittsburgh, maybe at the tail end of seeming realistic as an F1 driver.
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Months where it's like F1 is still shooting. They are shooting like in this country, in that country at this race and the strikes and Covid and everything that slowed it down.
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But yeah, they're in like Abu Dhabi. Then they're in like all over the.
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Place Monaco, wherever they were having races. Yeah. Movie making is a complicated thing, but the story of making the movie should never be complicated. Like the more complicated the story of making the film is, the more people feel like it's just going to be a disaster. And this was a complicated. From the technology that they needed from the strikes, from all of the stuff that was going on. It was a very, very complicated production.
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I'm glad Van's here because I wanted to sort of lead the conversation with a declaration which is that I feel the way. The way I'm supposed to feel about Avatar. I feel that way about F1.
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That's what I'm talking about.
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Like this is fucking incredible. How did they do this? This is pushing moviemaking forward. I don't really care what the story is. This is mind blowing.
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Well, a good movie to end 2025 on too, because I do think this was the year we got sucked back into movie theaters.
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Sucked back.
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Sinners, F1 1. Battle Minecraft.
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Sure.
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Conjuring Last Rites.
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Saw that in the theaters. Yeah.
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There were a bunch of movies this year where you're like, I got. I don't want to wait until that's on my TV. I want to go see this. And F1 was a great example. You had to see it on imax. It was fucking awesome. I went with my whole family. We did like a 9:30 showing at the Grove.
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C
Oh wow.
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And nobody was on their phone the whole time. Drove home, everyone was exhilarated. We were like, that's what we want from a movie right there. And it's good at home to watching it a second time. Still good on the tv. It's not as good as in the movie theater, but classic sports movie has a lot of tropes, but just a thrill ride.
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C
It's a. A strangely important movie. Like, just in terms of this type of movie making a big star driven, 80s style movie that's about a cultural.
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Phenomenon that catches the cultural phenomenon in time, right?
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So like we used to have all of these. Like you had Gleam in the Cube. I mean, some of these aren't big blockbusters, but we used to do these movies. Gleam in the Cube, skateboarding, over the top, arm wrestling, all of this stuff. You put a star or emerging star in a movie about a thing and it's a big deal. Then they kind of stopped making those movies. Like the movies were expected to be something that's more than just like a.
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With Hulk Hogan, no holds barred with.
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We could do this. So many different films. We could talk about even like Days of Thunder, nascar, all of that. And then they stopped doing them because we could no longer make the movie. That's just kind of vapid. It seemed like an affront against the filmmaking gods to make a movie that was just kind of vapid, but fun. And this movie is that there's not much depth to the film, but the film, in the total sum of its parts, really, really works and really means something.
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I mean, I think that in, in Hollywood, it's all about ip, but Formula one racing and car racing in general is good. Certainly in general. And it's like, I'll go see almost any movie where cars race. Like, it's just, it's.
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It's a cinematic thing.
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Yeah, I mean like, I was. I went through like a bunch of car racing movies last night and I was like, yeah, these are all solid. I was like. I was like, I got no notes, man.
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The Fast and the Furious, cars doing cool shit.
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I was watching Grand Prix with James Garner last night. I was like, this rules. Like, I'm like, we go back to the 60s if you want.
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Well, the history, Le Mans, Bobby Deerfield, Days of Thunder, Driven was the only one that didn't work and that had Stallone and Burt Reynolds too late. And Kip Pardue was terrible in it. Talladega Nights, Senna documentary, Rush, a movie that I love, that's on the rewatch was list. Ford and Ferrari, F1, all the fast movies. I was gonna do this later. I'll do it now. I wish I liked real racing as much as I like racing movies.
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I know exactly what you mean.
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Like F1 does nothing for me. It seems fine. You go, you sit. They. They go by at crazy speeds. I've never cared about Indy 500. I've never cared about NASCAR. I've never cared about anything. But I love racing movies because they're basically awesomely edited races combined with like the behind the scenes stuff. And I, I think that's just where I've landed. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. It's just what I want.
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What are some other things that you would only prefer to see rendered as movies? Like, you know. You know what I mean? Like I like. I don't want to go deep underwater in the ocean.
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I would say cooking movies.
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Like cooking. Like, I don't watch a cooking show. Yeah. But whenever there's a part in that movie Chef where Favreau is making. Is it a grilled cheese sandwich or something? Well, he makes a grilled cheese sandwich for his son.
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Panini.
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But he makes something for Scarlett Johansson.
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Yeah.
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Oh, he makes her a pasta.
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Makes her a pasta. And just him whipping up the pasta and her watching him whip up the pasta. You like. God damn. I would like to be able to do that. That is incredible.
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But you wouldn't have watched that on Instagram for 30 minutes.
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I'm not gonna watch it on Instagram. But it looks cool to watch somebody with the mastery of the kitchen like that. But like in actuality, I'm not trying to see.
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This is what's great about the movies though. You watch at an F1 race and people love F1 and I like F1. I think I had like most people like my, my short lived affair with.
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Drive to survive get up at 6 in the morning.
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I never did that because I, I'm already up early enough watching soccer. I can't have two global sports that make me wake up at weird times. But I will say that, like take, take Color of Money, right? Like if I was like, let's watch billiards, you'd be like, I'm good. You know, like there's gotta be Vance.
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Like, is that tall Asian lady playing.
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You talking about Black Widow?
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Yeah, the black widow playing Black Widow.
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Jeanette.
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What was her name?
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Jeanette Lee playing. I think she got sick after a while.
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But if you watch Color of Money, you're like, billiards is the most exciting cinematic thing Anyone?
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How about Pop with Marty Supreme?
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Okay. I have to. I do enjoy watching both of those sports.
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Yeah.
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Earl Strickland, Efren Reyes, when I was in t'. Pool.
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What about darts?
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Darts, I've never. I like. But there are sports I like to. I like to watch, like, you know, guys throw axes and then lumberjacks and all that. But ping pong is the only thing that I don't know that I like watching it until it's actually on. So I will never go watch ping pong.
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You never seek it.
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But when I see ping pong or table tennis, then playing it, it is one of the most amazing things I feel like a human being can do to play the sport.
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Well, I wrote down, if I'm paying 30 bucks for a movie, I want the ability to feel. I want to feel things. This movie made you feel. It's a human response movie.
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Yeah.
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That first crash, which, when we do rewatchable scenes, first time you see it in the theater, the monster crash when. When JP crashes, it's like one. You just can't believe it. And then it's so cool. And the way they do it and the way it's shot. I mean, I love that in 2025 we're still getting better at stuff. And I think in this case we're just getting better. This movie in 1990 was Days of Thunder.
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Right.
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Which is a very cool movie that I like a lot that we've done on the rewatchables. But it's night and day when you see some of the shit they did with the cameras.
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Yeah. I mean, in some ways, like, in terms of filming movement, I would argue Kaczynski is the first person to push it forward since Tony Scott. Like, in terms of filming, like a piece of machinery going like Top Gun, Maverick, this. And it's like he really is an inheritor of some of, like, his Tony Scott's, like, stylistic revelations.
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The last scene, when he's. When he's flying, basically, when Sonny's about to win the race. The first time seeing that in the theater, and he kind of knew it was probably going to happen because you set it up in the monologue. But then when they do it and there's no soundtrack and it's just the sound and it's just Pitt's face and it's just also incredibly well done.
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A really easy to make corny if the background of that happening hasn't been established, if you're not in with Sonny's character all the way. And also if the movie is any less technically proficient.
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He did the monologue Brad Pitt. I'm doing the Brad Pitt face a couple times.
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The coolest thing about that is also.
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Everything on the side of his left mouth.
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The cut to Bardem's face.
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Right.
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So it's like a weird.
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We have had some good celebration acting in this. I always thought the chef in Vision Quest was my number one. There's been a of good crowd celebration guys over the years. But I thought Bardem was really, really good.
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You know who my favorite crowd guy is of all time? Put him in a body bag. Johnny. Yeah, that dude was on Johnny Dick.
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Yeah.
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Like, he was into it, man. Like, that's my favorite crowd guy in the movie.
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Don't get the Godso from. From Rocky. Go get him Rock. He had some good ones. That'd be a good montage. Like somebody just doing the 25 best sports movie celebrated crowd guys. Sports movie tropes. We did you and I talked about this on my podcast. I did not listen to it. So if we over over we go back on some of the stuff we talked about. I apologize. But I did grab this from the notes for that sports movie trope. Cr. The best that never was.
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Sure.
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That was the. I think the most underrated 30 for 30 we ever did when I was there was the Marcus Dupri one.
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Excruciating.
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That is also where I met you was at the screening party for Marcus Dupree.
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And I remember John Hawk, the director of it. He found all this high school footage of Marcus Dupree that we weren't positive existed or I can't remember how I found it. And then to see that guy and you do the. This guy was the best that that never was. And then you actually could see the footage of him. But anyway, this is a sports movie trope that it's kind of undefeated. They've used it for action movies in some ways too. Like Roadhouse Best Cooler. You don't understand how good this guy was. We've seen this over the years.
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But it works.
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Best sports movies. So that's one old guy versus new guy. Never.
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Never.
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Doesn't work. White and black not getting along and then teaming up. Seen it. Come on, Van.
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Like white men can't jump.
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Like white men can't jump. That's the only thing they didn't do.
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Let's be honest. It's the truth.
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That's the only thing they didn't do in this movie. He never looked at him and goes, you know what? Your type just can never get so.
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The dude, he did kind of get hit ei with him, where he was like, the participation trophy thing.
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Yeah. But then you have damsel come back and. What? What do you mean my type?
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Yeah.
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And white men can't jump. They just straight up say it. Yeah. Like, black guys whether look good and lose, white guys will whether look bad and win. And that's actually funny. But this movie, they were like, let's stay away from it. Times are tough.
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The downtrodden team that's about to go under and desperately needs a spark that always works. The monologue about chasing the something, the one great thing. You know, once upon a time, my dad, when my dad died, he told me, blah, blah, blah. Like, you need that one minute something. The big accident monkey wrench. We've seen that a million times. And then the climactic race, race, fight game.
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Can I throw one new newer one in there?
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Give me.
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This movie gets compared to Top Gun Maverick a lot. Same director and kind of like a broadly, like some of the same story.
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Cruise and pick switch parts. Probably been fine.
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It's kind of Moneyball on steroids, though, because it's about a scrappy group of underdogs figuring out how to exploit the margins.
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And the Jigsaw puzzle movie, how do we put together the puzzle?
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But it's also like, plan C is the whole, like, it's basically Billy Bean, you know, it's like, well, we can't beat them just straight up, so we have to do all this other stuff to beat them.
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In the pit has that great speech about, if I can get one tenth of a second better and you can.
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Get one tenth of a better, that's five seconds.
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I'm like, yeah, that is a second. Yeah, we'll save like 70 seconds.
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There's also one that you miss. They don't do it in this movie, but it still happens in this movie. Okay, this movie doesn't have the scene where Javier Bardem's character is sitting around with the rest of the people, and they're like, we really gotta win. And he goes, I know one guy.
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I know.
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Yeah, yeah, I know one guy. I don't know if he'll do it. It's like that's. It's assumed that that happened, you know? But then you gotta go get this guy out of retirement.
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Well, they do have the whole. How many guys did you call before you got to me? That's a good action one, too. A sports movie trope they do not have in this. And they actually have the reverse of it. And so Much better. Is that the female, the lead female in this is not like the, you can't do it, you're gonna die. It turns out she has the coolest job. She's not doing the Adrian. She has a cool job and she's a great character. And I think that's one of the reasons this movie's so rewatched. But I love the Kerry Condon scenes. I believe the character. I want her to get better. I believe that she's in on Brad Pitt. I want them to end up together at the end. It's just another hard one to pull off. CR loves her. That little spark pug, Irish lady.
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You like that type of shit.
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It's CR's wheelhouse.
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You like that type of shit. C'. Ar.
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Saw that big pint in the bar and she's like, yes.
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If she was smoking in this movie, I probably would leave my wife for her.
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She's got a big, long Virginia Slim.
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Yeah, well, you. They make the character, like, you know, aspirational in other ways. Because in some ways, I mean, she gives up the ass super quick. Just straight up.
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I don't know about that.
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Well, it was a whole season. There's like three, four months, seven races.
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Till they get to the. I mean, normally in the.
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Well, I'm saying this is sweet on Brad, though.
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Normally in a movie like that, the virtue of the character is in that she doesn't give up the ass. But then she gives up the ass and then, I mean, she's straight up loving him. She's on the whole thing.
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She just kissed his shoulder. She really liked him.
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She really liked him.
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I think they kind of zoomed past the ending that. I think she would have been a little more upset. He was just like, all right, I'll see you later.
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I have some stuff about that. I know we're in love, but I'm going to Baja.
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Come back when. Ring me when you get back, tiger. No. What, you just out?
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Well, one thing I love about this, the casting. And she's really cute, obviously, but I think in the 90s, this just. They just would have picked whoever the best looking actresses and made believe she was this. I really believe that she was trying to put together the perfect car.
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Yeah.
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I also believe that the two would end up together. I don't know. The. Great job, Brad Pitt. So I don't know where this is going to rank on the best sports movies of the 21st century so far. I may or may not have a list at some point. Not today.
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C
Oh, okay. Appreciate it.
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But Brad Pitt was in two of those movies. Regardless of what your list is. Moneyball and F1.
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C
Yeah.
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Double Duty for this. I did when. When you and I did our. Or maybe I did this with Wesley. I can't remember. I did it on my pod with somebody. The four decades of Brad Pitt as the leading man in all the arcs where the six stages. Basically up and coming handsome guy, leading man on training wheels. A lister Brangelina heyday. When he goes to another level of fame. Brangelina swoon. And then in 2019, with Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, we entered the Brad Pitt as the icon.
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Yes.
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When we do Once Upon a time in Hollywood ad Astra F1. He got $30 million for this movie. And I think he's a big reason why people took it seriously. This is now a 35 year career. CR and yet I still feel like people would have Cruise above him. I even think people would have maybe Damon above him.
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Are you nuts?
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I think Leo would be like Matt Damon. Yeah. I think about the biggest actors.
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Are you talking about? It's like a box office draw.
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Do you think he gets enough credit? I guess is my question.
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I think the thing would be, would.
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People throw him out second after Cruz?
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No, I think Leo would go second. I think Brad Pitt works more than those guys.
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It seems like he's had more misses.
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Yeah. And he takes more swings and he produces more stuff. And I think he also has kind of settled into now finally. Like Paul Newman Color of Money era. Like maybe a little younger than Paul Newman was at that point, but is starting to embrace the idea of being like the. Like this is the Twilight part of my career. And the roles are really great because of that.
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What do you think, Van?
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C
I think that Brad Pitt carved out a Brad Pitt thing that makes him incomparable to a lot of his contemporaries. His career is really interesting. Like Tom Cruise embodied not just the movie star, but the hyper celebrity, like the whole thing, the entire deal. Brad Pitt became a leading man that was in some big movies, that was in some smaller movies. He became the cool, like a actor that just kind of did whatever he wanted to do. He didn't get with Scorsese and do the next 10 Scorsese movies he didn't do. He just decided that he lived his life in a laissez faire kind of way. And he just did the thing that he thought was the coolest at the time, that it was in front of him. And that's really. It doesn't seem like he planned his career Out.
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B
Yeah. The big difference between him and Cruise 2 is that he never picked a character that he played for, like, more than a couple movies.
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Right. So in that he never did his.
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Version of Bourne or Ethan Hunt.
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So in the way that Leo. I'm gonna get to a certain point and I'm gonna work with these directors who are just unassailable in the quality of the film. And the way that Tom went. I'm gonna give you big budget, genre, 54 quadrant type of movies. It just seemed like Brad got a script and went, okay, cool. And he was so Brad Pitt that he could make that work over the.
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Course of the killing.
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Soft career, bang. Let's make it.
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Let's do it. Like, whatever it is, let's do it.
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So I was going to do this for hottest take later. I'll just do it now. I think that him just crossing paths with Angelina at the time he did was almost like an athlete, like tearing an ACL and missing two seasons. I think that sent his career in a different direction. That Brangelina thing became so big, and so it kind of like, swallowed up both of them, I think both of their careers. Like, the kind of movies that they.
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Made, I kind of can't remember.
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They did stuff together. Like, he has this whole. Basically 15 years after Mr. And Mrs. Smith where I'm not even really sure what happened. And I think part of it was all of a sudden he was with Angelina Jolie. They have five kids. All of a sudden they're making movies together that weren't really any good. And I do wonder what happens.
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Got really into politics.
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Yeah, I do wonder what. And he got into producing and did some good stuff. But I feel like there was like, three or four more Moneyball type movies for him in there, and he just didn't make them. Where it's like Cruz was working all the time.
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Yeah. It's hard to tell whether or not it's the. The movie industry that changes or the actor that changes. And maybe Brad Pitt was like, the kinds of movies I'm. I could lead. Like, at a certain point, he stops being interested in doing movies like Troy. You know what I mean? Like, whether it's because he got older or because he didn't want to, like, be a beefcake. A list like movie star in that way. He wanted to be more of a character actor and appear in different kinds of stuff.
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So he made Benjamin Button in Glorious Basterds and Moneyball. Basically middle of 2000s through 11. But then his 2012-18 killing them softly Allied, Fury by the Sea, World War z, and produced 12 years of slavery.
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I gotta say, in retrospect, a couple of those movies are quite good, though.
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C
I mean, if you look at it just for the movies that he's in, World War Z ended up being a movie that was kind of a troubled.
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B
Production, and it was a huge hit.
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C
But that's a big, huge movie. It's like a gigantic movie.
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A
How many times have you watched it?
- [22:46]
C
Probably like three.
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B
Two or three.
- [22:47]
A
Yeah.
- [22:49]
C
The zombies are really aggressive in it. It's not the easiest watch.
- [22:52]
A
I wasn't a fan.
- [22:54]
B
The outbreak starts in Philly.
- [22:56]
C
Yeah. But look, the Big Short, he's in that. He's an interesting. That's towards the end of the time that you're talking about, though. But he's in interesting films here. Inglourious Basterds, Benjamin Button. These are interesting movies. He's having an interesting care burn after reading. That's an interesting choice for Brad Pitt at that time in his career.
- [23:15]
A
He has that same Redford quality of, like, you could just kind of throw him in anything and it's probably gonna work. It's fun to hang out with them. Paul Newman was like that. It's that kind of actor we just don't have anymore. And this is, you know, he's playing a guy in his early 50s, but he's really in his early 60s.
- [23:30]
C
Yeah.
- [23:31]
A
He's doing his lunch.
- [23:35]
C
You know, it's interesting to me always to see what performers like this do with that little wilderness period. So, like the part that's right over. You guys know what I'm talking about. You know, you're in the league, you're averaging 20.
- [23:51]
A
You'd already made, like, a bunch of awesome movies.
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C
Yeah. And then, like, when you get down to 26, 25, 24, it's happened. How they navigate that point until they become elder statesmen. Oh, my God, look, they're taking a chance. How they navigate that is always interesting.
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A
Cruz just went into franchises.
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B
Yes.
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C
But he really struggled for a while too.
- [24:10]
A
Yeah. I think Damon's had the most interesting approach to it, where he. He seems to make a combination of, like, big choices, smart, big things, and then, like, kind of weird cool swings and just doesn't seem to care what hits and what doesn't.
- [24:25]
C
Can we come back to this real quick? You think that Matt Damon is fucking with Brad Pitt in any way, shape or form?
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A
I think it's an interesting one because if you go. If you go the seven. I think the seven movies that Brad Pitt made over the last four decades that probably have the longest tail. Seven. Fight Club, Ocean's Eleven, Bastards, Moneyball. Once Upon a Time in F1, I think would be the seven.
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B
I'll hear that.
- [24:52]
A
So the question for me is, could Matt Damon top that with his best seven?
- [24:56]
B
I think if you're counting Odyssey next.
- [24:58]
C
Year, which we can't because we haven't.
- [25:00]
B
Seen it just, like, for the season. Yeah.
- [25:03]
A
Martian Born, like, he's. His seven versus Pit seven is a pretty good battle.
- [25:09]
B
Yeah.
- [25:10]
A
And they probably made the same amount of money, and they have similar things.
- [25:13]
B
Where it's like, they'll just be like, I'm. I'm getting behind Kenneth Lonergan. Or for Brad Pitt, he gets behind Andrew Dominic or whatever.
- [25:19]
A
Yeah. I think it's close.
- [25:20]
B
They pick their directors and they. What are you laughing at?
- [25:22]
C
It's absurd. You think, no way.
- [25:25]
B
Matt Damon is just not on Brad Pitt's level.
- [25:27]
C
No, I think Matt Damon.
- [25:29]
A
You think I'm. I'm being a Boston Homer.
- [25:31]
C
Of course. But I think. I think Matt Damon's fired at Matt Damon. I think Matt. Matt Damon is fantastic.
- [25:37]
A
Oscar winner is an Oscar winner.
- [25:39]
C
Matt Damon is fantastic. If you were to use those movies as a metric, you could probably pull out. I bet there's probably more people that. If we talk about guys that have been around this long, you could probably. If you just pull seven movies. I bet you could also do that for Ben Affleck. I bet you could. In terms of Brad Patty, if you just pull seven movies. But if you talk about the space that they take up in culture, how they're regarded, just overall, how audiences respond to them, I think that Brad Pitt is in a different level than Matt Damon is.
- [26:09]
A
Forgot about Mr. Ripley. Oh, yeah.
- [26:11]
C
Yeah.
- [26:12]
A
Who do you think is a better actor?
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B
I think Matt Damon has a little bit more range.
- [26:17]
A
Me, too.
- [26:18]
B
I think. But.
- [26:19]
A
But. But Pitt feels more like a movie star.
- [26:22]
B
It's tough. It's like. I also think, like, it's interesting in.
- [26:24]
A
Ocean's Eleven, Pitt has kind of the more outsized role that Matt Damon does.
- [26:28]
B
They're very similar. They have very similar things going on where, like, every once in a while, like, the supporting character in something like, it's. It's. It's a really tough conversation.
- [26:37]
C
Hey, don't want to be argumentative. I just do not disagree. I just. I just disagree.
- [26:41]
A
I like when we argue. I don't like when we argue.
- [26:43]
C
I think that if you look at.
- [26:44]
A
You hate Boston.
- [26:45]
C
It's fine at the full. I can't wait for you. Well, Nevermind the full range of the roles.
- [26:51]
A
Yeah.
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C
Like from 12 monkeys all the way to cool leading man in F1. I don't know how we could say definitively.
- [27:01]
B
Yeah, but we could do that with Damon. We could do like Courage Under Fire through Bourne.
- [27:05]
C
Courage Under Fire.
- [27:06]
A
How about School Ties?
- [27:07]
C
Yeah, how about School Ties?
- [27:10]
A
Yeah.
- [27:10]
C
As we're talking about. Okay.
- [27:11]
A
Anti Semite 1940s football player. Who's better, Right.
- [27:14]
C
The tough, tough, tough, tough role to get in character for. For a guy from Boston. He had no one to study.
- [27:24]
A
Like he had no one run into Matt Damon.
- [27:25]
C
Now he's a fantastic performer. I'm just saying I think Brad's probably. He's certainly a bigger movie star in my opinion. But I also think that.
- [27:33]
A
Well, I think the Angelina thing made him a bigger movie star though he wasn't until that happened. That vaulted him into a. Whereas Matt on the other hand, got married. You never hear anything about him. He's been married for like 20 years. He's like intentionally low profile. Okay, so Brad was like, here I am. I am dating the hottest actress we.
- [27:51]
B
Have off the back of dating Jennifer Aniston.
- [27:54]
A
Yeah. I went from Gwyneth Paltrow and whoever, all the other people.
- [27:58]
C
The problem with this is also when we were talking about Brad Pitt's movies, we left out Mr. And Mrs. Smith. But the only problem with this is that they met on a film where they were together in that film and it was Brad Pitt as the star of this big gigantic action film. That would have been a good.
- [28:14]
A
How would Van Lathan get out of this one? You dating Angelina and you doing a movie with angelina Jolie in 2004.
- [28:21]
C
That's actually.
- [28:22]
A
Where were you? I called you in your trailer. Oh, I went to get an espresso. I didn't hear the phone.
- [28:28]
C
Poor thing. I still feel bad for Jennifer Aniston after that.
- [28:31]
A
It's a tough one.
- [28:32]
C
It's a tough one.
- [28:33]
A
Speaking of. What was Sonny Hayes. Sonny Hayes, great name. I made an. I wanted to move to Damson. The athletes that captured the decade, the best. If we're going to make a list going back to the 70s.
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B
Athlete in athletes in movie.
- [28:53]
A
Athlete.
- [28:53]
B
Okay.
- [28:54]
A
Nick Nolte in North Dallas. 40 70s grizzled football trying to tell us where football's going. 1980s, Ivan Drago, Rocky 4.
- [29:06]
B
Cold War.
- [29:07]
A
We'll do anything for an edge. Put more steroids in me. 1990s. It's either rod Tidwell or Willie Beeman. I'm not sure who. Maybe Willie Beeman, but you could also talk me into Rod Tidwell.
- [29:21]
B
Okay.
- [29:22]
A
Realistic. The most realistic version of an athlete I've seen in a movie. Says something about the 90s in general. When you look back, it's like, That's a very 90s character.
- [29:30]
C
But also with Tidwell, a very three dimensional character.
- [29:34]
A
Yeah.
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C
Like a family man and all of that stuff.
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A
My favorite sports movie character.
- [29:38]
C
Yeah.
- [29:38]
A
2000S. Tim Riggins. Any given Sunday.
- [29:42]
B
Friday Night Lights.
- [29:43]
A
Yeah, I'm sorry, Friday night. I wrote down. I didn't give us. I meant Friday.
- [29:47]
B
Tim Riggins from the TV show.
- [29:48]
A
Yeah, well, in the movie.
- [29:49]
B
Yeah, the movie. Okay.
- [29:50]
C
Which one was Tim Riggins in the movie?
- [29:51]
B
Garrett Hedlund.
- [29:52]
C
Garrett Hedlund. Oh, yeah. His dad.
- [29:55]
B
Yep. Being him.
- [29:56]
C
Tim McGraw putting the thing.
- [29:58]
B
But then he comes up and puts the ring on his finger.
- [30:02]
C
Bro, that movie. I know you guys are obsessed with the television show.
- [30:07]
A
No, the movie's great.
- [30:08]
B
We did the movie. That movie is the best halftime speech ever given.
- [30:12]
C
Like that. That's a perfect.
- [30:13]
A
What Pacino is pregame.
- [30:16]
B
Yeah. I mean, also, I would put Billy Bob saying, forever's about to happen, like, up against any man.
- [30:23]
C
He looks at those boys and without even raising his voice goes, you know, my heart. I got goosebumps. Like, my heart is full. I've done everything that I can.
- [30:33]
A
It's Pacino and Billy Bob in the finals.
- [30:36]
B
Yeah. When's is the miracle? I don't know.
- [30:39]
A
When the last time you watched Any given Sunday.
- [30:41]
B
Oh, I watch it.
- [30:42]
A
It's regularly. It's kind of in the Pluto rotation right now. Just saying.
- [30:46]
B
Are you.
- [30:47]
A
Are you popping on Pluto?
- [30:48]
B
Do you have eyes for other free streaming services?
- [30:51]
A
It's been on Pluto and the halftime. The pregame's great. And the cutting to Fox and he starts moving toward Pacino. Great stuff. I have Riggins for here because movie and TV show. That was when we started to realize, oh, IP could be all over the place. 2010's Adonis Creed, 2000s. Josh Pierce in F1. I love how they do the social. I think his whole backstory with his mom and his handler and how he's trying to basically be a star when he hasn't done anything yet. How he approaches his public Persona. It's the best I've seen in a movie this decade. I think for where we are in the 2000 and twenties with social media.
- [31:36]
B
We'Ll just have to wait for the Puka Nakua story.
- [31:45]
A
Vance trying to close the deal on.
- [31:47]
C
It right now.
- [31:54]
A
But this Josh Pierce character on paper might have not worked. And it worked really well. So why did it work?
- [32:00]
B
Super charming. Obviously he's from, like, Broke Big with Snowfall, but I don't know. He has a limited amount of screen time in this movie compared to Pitt. Like, there's clearly, like, other stuff. I think that they shot like a whole love interest with him that they like.
- [32:17]
A
Yeah, they cut it out completely. I didn't realize that.
- [32:20]
B
And the fact that you can still piece together who he is and he. He has to say things like, I had to climb a mountain to get here and really sell it. You know, like, that's his basically his exposition. And it really works. He's a really, really dynamic performer.
- [32:34]
C
Character works for the same reason that the movie works. Like, the movie assumes that you know who he is, which is why they could cut a lot of that stuff out. The movie assumes that you realize that it's tough for a kid coming from where he's from to. To achieve in F1. The movie even assumes that you understand his talent. Cause we never really see it. They basically just tell us over and over and over again that he could be a great driver. But we don't really get anything on screen to demonstrate that to us. But that character, that archetype of it's all right there in front of you, but you're distracted by bullshit. Yeah, the movie assumes you know that character.
- [33:16]
B
It's kind of interesting. One of my favorite parts about this movie is that there. It's not like JP is Luke Skywalker. And they're like, we just need the right mentor.
- [33:25]
C
Right.
- [33:25]
B
To get this kid. It's like, he's pretty good. You know, F1 is really like a lot about the car. Right. As it's my understanding is that the cars are kind of like.
- [33:34]
C
And that.
- [33:35]
A
And it seems like the teamwork is important.
- [33:37]
B
And the teamwork is important, being the leader. But it's like they only really bond once. Then they backslide, and then they bond one last time. And JP sacrifices for them.
- [33:46]
A
But they do a great job with the. The morning jog continuing to come back to that. And there's more and more people. And then eventually JP's leading the jog. And it's like they don't bang you over the head with it.
- [33:56]
C
That, to me, is why I say this is 80s and 90s moviemaking. Kaczynski is so good at this stuff is. Cause you usually just have that scene. Used to have that scene of somebody getting up in the morning, stretching, and they're doing it by themselves, and then all of a sudden somebody Else is there. And then all of a sudden and you see it. Rather than somebody having to give a long speech about the importance of togetherness.
- [34:17]
B
Yeah.
- [34:17]
C
And then like by the end of it, you get that there's something that happened between all of these people that brought them together. We'll have to be belabored.
- [34:25]
A
Yeah. This movie's long, but I don't feel like it's long when I'm watching it. Even like some of this. The pictures, like in his hotel room or whatever. Flicking the cards kind of needs it. Like, like it has like a nice, the right kind of pace to it.
- [34:38]
C
I'll talk about that later. Flicking of cards. A lot of things.
- [34:40]
A
I got to talk about five decades of Bruckheimer.
- [34:44]
B
I'm glad you're bringing this up.
- [34:47]
A
How many rewatchables do you think we've done of Jerry Bruckheimer?
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B
10.
- [34:50]
A
What do you think, Van? We've done 417 movies. This is before.
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C
Of Bruckheimer.
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A
Yeah. No, no, we've done.
- [34:59]
C
No, no, no, no, no. Overall, so I'm saying what, 15, 20, 16th.
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B
Wow.
- [35:05]
C
Yeah.
- [35:05]
A
So we've done Gigolo Thief, American Gigolo, Thief Cop 1 and 2, Top Gun, Days of Thunder, Crimson Tide, Dangerous Minds, Bad Boys, Con Air, Face Off, Armageddon, Enemy of the State, Remember the Titans and Top gun, Maverick and F1 fucking bangers. I feel like we should have a picture of him in the studio here. This is 80s 90s. It's five decades of him. And his 2010s weren't great. He's basically doing the pirate sequels and Lone Ranger and then kind of gets his mojo back this day.
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C
Lone Ranger.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Many people have gotten distracted, decided to become tech moguls.
- [35:44]
C
Yeah.
- [35:44]
B
Start political action committees, do whatever they're doing when they're movie producers. This guy's just like, I. I do one thing and I do better than anybody else in the world. It is. This movie is really a monument to producing from. When you think about the amount of money that must have changed hands to make this movie, the amount of negotiating that must have had to happen with all the different countries they're shooting in, with the strikes happening with COVID restrictions and Jerry Bruckheimer's got like fucking 15 new cameras inside of F1 cars.
- [36:12]
A
He's getting Apple to make him like these inch, inch size cameras.
- [36:15]
B
I mean, it's just, it's. That's what movie producers are supposed to do.
- [36:19]
A
I look at some fucking lessons, Van.
- [36:21]
C
Yes, true. I look at him and I bet he calls movies pictures and that's the kind of producers I like. I like it when they say picture. We're working on a big picture here, right? He's one of the last one of the guys that says, hey, I'm getting Brad Pitt and Kaczynski together and we're doing this racing picture. Like, the guys that put shit together get shit done. It's about putting guys together and letting them get their talents off on the screen. And you'll do anything for the movie.
- [36:49]
B
Because of, like, the preponderance, like, the amount of visual effects and like, the amount of stuff you can do inside of a computer now. And also just because of the last couple of years in the industry, when you watch movies now, you're kind of like, oh, I can see they tried to save money here. Like, for whatever reason, like, in any.
- [37:04]
A
Movie, you didn't get this feeling once.
- [37:05]
B
During F1, when you watch F1, you're like, how much this fucking movie costs? Jesus Christ.
- [37:10]
C
But to be honest with you, though, if people out there are wondering what a good producer does, yeah, it's exactly what he's talking about. A movie that's well produced, you cannot see the seams. That is what a well produced movie is. A well directed movie maintains the dramatic tension and the narrative from the beginning all the way to the end, with every scene kind of adding to that. A well produced film, you can't see the scenes.
- [37:35]
B
It's almost like he was like, let's spend more money. You know what I mean? And that's kind of cool, like, because you're like, you're getting it back in your movie ticket.
- [37:42]
A
Bruckheimer's like, yo, Kaczynski. Gonna have to shoot that final scene in Saudi Arabia, it looks like. And we gotta put the sheiks in as we're handing the trophy, but we get an extra $50 million to spend.
- [37:54]
C
I do.
- [37:54]
A
It's like, great. It's for the picture. It's for the picture. Great job by him. There's a couple we haven't done from him. We never did Flashdance. We didn't do Black Hawk Down, Quentin Tarantino's favorite movie in the 21st century. We didn't do Gone in 60 Seconds, kind of. And we didn't do Bad Boys too, which we've discussed for, like, three years.
- [38:16]
B
Are you saving that?
- [38:17]
A
Yeah, I don't. We just haven't done it yet.
- [38:19]
C
When you guys do Blackhawk now. Cause I'm not gonna be on that one. But when you guys do Blackhawk down.
- [38:23]
B
You'Re not gonna Be on it because of.
- [38:25]
C
Nah, just. It's not my type of deal. But when you do, will you be.
- [38:28]
A
On The Oz Season 1 rewatch?
- [38:29]
C
I love that. Okay, but you guys, it should be you guys. And then you should bring in somebody from special operator YouTubes. There's this one guy I watched. It's like Valhalla guy. He's a special operator. Do you guys follow what's going on in the special operator community?
- [38:44]
B
I actually probably. Honestly, I'm surprised I don't know the guy you're referencing.
- [38:50]
A
So Ciara and I have spent a lot of time in the Providence Redd the last five days trying to solve some shit.
- [38:56]
C
I love listening to special operators talk about what they need to be effective on a mission. If you guys do it, bring in a special operator to talk about it. Bring in Valhalla.
- [39:07]
A
The F1 stuff in this movie based on the 2023 Formula One season, filmed in 23 and 24. There was a bidding war in late 2021 for the movie. It had Pitt, Bruckheimer, Kaczynski, and Ethan Kruger. The guy who wrote it, Lewis Hamilton. Aaron Krueger.
- [39:25]
C
He's an interesting writer. Yeah, it's an interesting collection of.
- [39:27]
A
My bad. Sorry, Krueger. Apple won the thing for 130. 140 million. Gave Pitt 30 of it. Pitt and Damson did all the driving up to 180 miles an hour. And then they tapped out after that.
- [39:41]
C
See, Damson had to part of getting the role with him.
- [39:46]
A
Yeah, he had to beat out. And unfortunately, this movie just happened. So there's really no great cut casting what ifs for it. So I'm just gonna sit down.
- [39:52]
B
There was apparently like a huge, huge.
- [39:54]
A
Bunch of people for.
- [39:56]
B
For the JP Role.
- [39:57]
A
Yeah. Aaron Krueger did Arlington Road, Reindeer games, the Ring 3 Transformer movies, and Top Gun. Maverick.
- [40:05]
B
Yes, it's a good career. It's worth noting that on top, a.
- [40:07]
A
Whole bunch of other stuff is a.
- [40:09]
B
After the film, there is an additional literary contributions credit for Aaron Sorkin.
- [40:16]
A
Yeah, I saw that.
- [40:16]
B
Christopher Storer and uncredited Jez Butterworth and Kara Smith cleaning up some dialogue.
- [40:21]
A
I think that's where you want to get to in life as a screenwriter. They're like, here's 500 grand. Can you just read this script and send us like 10 notes?
- [40:29]
C
Yeah, clean up a little dialogue. Hey, I've talked about it before. I can't. Arlington Road. Underrated.
- [40:36]
A
I like it too. Kaczynski broke through. He'd been around for a while, but broke through with Top gun Maverick in 22. He understands me. Crazy. Yeah, he knows what you understand what I want. Yeah, he understands what I want. A movie. And he's done two of the only rewatchables ever that we've done in the same year the movie came out.
- [40:52]
B
We'll probably do another one when Miami Vice comes out.
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C
Oh, that.
- [40:55]
A
I mean, we'll be doing that from the theater. We'll just have a camera on.
- [40:59]
B
He's the only person who's ever made a movie that we've done the rewatchables the week it came out. Right. Didn't we do Top Gun Maverick really soon after it came out?
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A
Yeah, because we both went nuts.
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B
Yeah.
- [41:09]
C
Yeah. Also directed one of the greatest commercials of all time.
- [41:12]
A
What's that?
- [41:13]
C
You guys remember the Gears of War commercial where it was. Is that REM Song? What's the song? The song no Tears for Fear song.
- [41:20]
B
Oh, Everybody Wants to Rule the World.
- [41:22]
C
No, it's who makes this? I don't know who makes who. No, the song is called. We're just gonna go through all these records.
- [41:27]
B
It's obviously a commercial that stayed with you.
- [41:30]
A
No, great story.
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C
It's called Mad World.
- [41:33]
A
Mad World. Yeah.
- [41:34]
C
Mad World. Shut the fuck. It's called Mad World. The Gears of War commercial.
- [41:38]
A
Yeah.
- [41:39]
C
He did that like Mad World. Yeah. But I think, like, this is a really important movie for him. Cause it's the. Now he is to me, the big budget action guy.
- [41:50]
B
Yeah.
- [41:50]
A
Well, $200 million budget at least. Made over 600 million so far. It's at like 630 as we record this. So I think he's got a car.
- [41:59]
B
It's also gonna be the now flagship movie of Apple for five years, probably.
- [42:04]
A
Well, that's the other thing. And we could have put this, like.
- [42:07]
B
Every time you turn on Apple tv, the first thing you see is still there.
- [42:10]
A
I went to go find it to rewatch it this week, and there just staring at me. I don't know what category that fits in for the rewatchables, but it gave Apple movie credibility that it just didn't have. It was a big bet. They were kind of. They felt like they were just stupid money people taking advantage of them in some ways. And then this movie changed the calculus of it and then ended up with them getting F1 recently. The actual sport that is going to now be on Apple.
- [42:37]
C
So before this, Apple had put out the Ridley Scott one. Napoleon, Yes. I think that movie was. When you go and watch that film, first of all, it is. Ridley Scott is obviously fantastic, but the Movie itself is just a mess. It seems like it's something that's overwrought, it's overspent, it's the entire deal. It doesn't seem like there was actually real craft in the filmmaking there. It's precisely the type of movie that Apple would not want to make. It looks like a film made by, like, a big streamer with no constraints on anything.
- [43:14]
A
And they had a few of those.
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C
And this movie looks like the opposite. It looks like a movie that, even though they spent a ton of money, that everything was done with such care and such craft, that it solidifies them as people who know how to make good films.
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A
Also, I think we've seen some success this year with. We'll release the movie in the theaters for a few weeks, and then it'll be on our service, and we're gonna win two ways. Cause we saw one battle. We saw it, Saw this movie, saw with weapons, this formula that people thought, well, that doesn't make sense. Why am I gonna go see in the theater if it's also gonna be available for free? And it wasn't. So this was. This was 8th worldwide in 2025. It was as big as Superman. Van. Yeah, take that, fucking Superman.
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B
That's an interesting development, though.
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A
Tough. Have some of that. It was Pitt's biggest film ever, worldwide, at least it surpassed. Cars 2 is the highest grossing sports film worldwide. Is Cars 2 a sports movie? And I didn't get the memo.
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B
Isn't it animated?
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A
Yeah, I mean, that was in my research. Cars 2 was the biggest sports movie. It's like, what? I don't know what the actual biggest one is. I forgot to mention. Soundtrack by Hans fucking Zimmer and the Hansettes coming at John Williams now has John Williams in his sights. Rod Drebert did not review this movie because he's been dead for, like, 10 years.
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B
Do you think you would have liked it?
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A
So I looked up some of his racing reviews. He gave Rush four stars, Days of Thunder 2, Top Gun two and a half. I didn't do the chat GBT to find out what he would have thought. It's uncomfortable. You got uncomfortable last time.
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C
No, I didn't.
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B
No, I do.
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C
Look at this.
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A
All right.
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C
Dog population estimate in the world, College football scandals. Explain to me, Sovereign AI, what is a hostile takeover? All kinds of violent history of the kkk. This is what I ask.
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B
You could just Google that, though.
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C
But ChatGPT does it better. It talks to me.
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B
Raj would have given this three stars. Too. Long racing scenes. Incredible.
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A
I said three stars as well. And I think he would have paid special tribute to Kerry Condon and how she was a well developed female character.
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C
The floor is three stars because the moviemaking is so great.
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B
I know. Yeah.
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C
Yeah.
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A
All right, we'll take a break. Then we're gonna do Most rewatchable scene. This episode is brought to you by the Focus Features film Hamnet from director Chloe Zhao and producer Steven Spielberg and Sam Mendes discover the untold story behind Shakespeare's greatest masterpiece. Winner of more audience awards than any film this year, Hamnet is a monumental cinematic experience. And now it's nominated for six Golden Globes and and 11 Critics Choice Awards, including best picture of the year. HamNet, rated PG13, may be inappropriate for children under 13. Now playing only in theaters. This episode is brought to you by Subaru. For Subaru, the holiday season is a time to give back. That's why during the 2025 Subaru Share the Love event, from November 20 to January 2, Subaru and its retailers will donate at least $300 to charities nationwide for every new car sold or leased. They've supported over 2,700 local causes, and by year's end, donations will reach $350 million. Learn more@subaru.com Share all right, guys, I have a few here. I'm going to try to zip through them. All right, Most rewatchable scene. The opening scene, Sunny in a trailer. Is this Cliff Booth? Is he back?
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B
It's just such a great character introduction.
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A
The Led Zep just coming in. They're like, not only are we spending a lot of money in this movie, we got fucking Led Zeppelin, dude.
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B
When you see you over the head with this in imax.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And a whole lot of love starts. And then he dunks his face in an ice bath. And then he's like, 24 hours in Daytona. Shea Wiggum lets ready to fucking go.
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C
And another thing like, you ready to go? Hey, he's sleeping. And then the person says, five minutes until you have to get into one of those death machines and race around. You just right away know so much about the character.
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A
And then he gets out of the car and he goes, lose that lead. Lose that lead and I'll kill you.
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B
Puts a bunch of zins in.
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A
Yeah. Spend your whole life starting over Sonny. Anyway, next one, Sonny shows up, does the I can get within 1 second of JP challenge. Flips the car at the end. But he made it enjoyable. Sizing each other up. Some good sizing. Some good sizing in this movie.
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B
Super. Understand that, like, it seemed like he had like one good sector but stalled once and then crashed.
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A
That's our guy. He's 52 and he crashed.
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B
I also really like when, when they're. When they're like, is he auditioning? He's like, no, he's auditioning us.
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A
That is the trope.
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C
Yeah.
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A
I have Sonny and Kate having a beer right into the Rocky 4 training montage. Which is.
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C
Training montage is great.
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A
It's like JP's doing the new school version. But there's. There's our guy Sonny, old school, just doing pull ups.
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C
We. We never. We don't talk about that trope.
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A
Old school, new school training montage.
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C
New school training.
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A
Stallone invented that. Shit.
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C
They invented it. Yeah.
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A
I can't. I gotta say, CR has been in my life for so long that when the two beer scene, for some reason I just think of CR immediately as I'm watching it. I'm like, CR would have loved this. Watching this girl with a big pint.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And if she pulled out a cigarette like you said earlier, I think it would have been all over good. We don't get a lot of pint scenes anymore.
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B
It's also a very idyllic pub on a. On a canal. Like it's a beautiful, beautiful.
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C
They look great.
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B
Yeah, they look awesome.
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A
I mean, neither of them is really drinking the beer.
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C
No. Yes.
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B
I wonder.
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C
She leaves.
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A
It's like just that much.
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B
I wonder if that was a F1 thing because the only person who's really drinking alcohol in this movie is Tobias Menzies and everybody else is kind of having non Na beers.
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C
Yeah. You know, we're this deep into the pod. We haven't really talked about this movie.
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B
As a function of F1 propaganda.
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C
Propaganda Commercial stuff.
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A
I mean, every single driver's in it. I didn't want. I didn't want to spend too much time on that because there was so much written and discussed about it when the movie came out. But it is. We probably should.
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C
You know what?
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B
You have a commercial for F1.
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A
Yeah. I mean, Lewis Hamilton's. In the end, nobody's a villain.
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C
Lewis Hamilton is part of the filmmaking.
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A
Yeah. And no, there's no. Nothing like Ferrari is the bad guys or Red Bull are the bad guys. There are no bad guys.
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B
Although I will say, interestingly enough, I'm sure we're going to get to this at some point. The F1 community kind of mixed on this movie.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Surprising drivers even were just like, eh. I wondered if it was. They have to be like, Carlos Sainz has to get Passed. You know what I mean? Like, Max gets passed by these dudes.
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C
Like, I'm interested because I saw that in the research too. I'm interested in what they would have wanted.
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A
Yeah, but that's the thing. Like, if somebody. It's like when they made that rom com about the place that seemed like Grantland, and we're like, you guys, that's not like that. We wouldn't have. My office wouldn't be that nice.
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C
What is this movie?
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B
Glenn Powell movie.
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C
Right.
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A
It was the grand Powell movie with. They were working and they admitted it was like, based on like a Grantland type of place. And it was like, so much nicer than Grantland. In the office, we just had like.
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B
We worked on people crammed together.
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C
Yeah.
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A
So. Oh, I forgot in the beer thing, this was another, like, mini trope. They're saying, Sonny isn't a has been, he's a never was. Like, I've heard that line before. I don't know. There's some lines where it's like, ah, this definitely got pulled out. AI Next scene. Sonny exploits the rules by causing minor crashes. Plans to get JP into the top 10. I. I'm just going to do this as a nitpick now. Can you do this?
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B
They're. I don't think so. To the extent that it's probably why.
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A
The F1 people didn't like this.
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B
Well, I think when you read like. Like I was reading reviews of the movie in F1 and auto racing magazines and they were like, this is ridiculous. This is ridiculous. No one would ever do this. You couldn't do that. So I think if you're a general fan of, like, if you're obviously a movie going fan, but if you are like, I am broadly aware of F1, but don't understand the minutiae of it. You love this movie. And if you do understand all the details of F1, you're probably like, well, that's bullshit.
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C
So I always think, what would I have if I was a banker and I was watching the Big Short? Because the Big Short is the only other movie that I can compare to this film that has to do work in order for the narrative to be understood, has to do work in educating the audience as you're watching the movie. And obviously it's fabled, they did it in a very ingenious way. But in this movie, if not for that part, that probably doesn't happen. I would really not know what was going on. There's a couple of different parts in the film where some of the stuff that they use in Story explains to me.
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B
That's a really good example because Big Short has all those direct to camera moments with Sina Gomez and Anthony Bourdain. But then also in Margin Call, there will be times in Margin Call where a character will be like, explain this to me. Like, I'm 10. And it's like, well, you probably understand a little bit more of a sophisticated version of this. But you know, if you, if you want Jeremy Irons to say that, you can have it and you. That way the audience understands how the housing crisis starts.
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A
I was trying to think of the sports that we watch all the time. What would be the example of him causing the minor crashes, but it's somehow being legal, being football. If you're like, there's 30 seconds left, the other team's on their 20, and you just did pass interference every time to chew the clock up like five yards right after the line of scrimmage. And it just chews up five seconds. And then the other team's at the 45 with no time left, which I've seen teams try to do. And if that was an even more blatant version of that strategy, that's kind of like.
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B
It's a little hack. A shack.
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A
Yeah.
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C
A little bit Hacker Shack. Hacker Shack ishack's good too. Yeah.
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A
JP crashes in the rain. This is an incredible sports movie scene.
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B
The Monza, the whole Monza races.
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A
Every piece of this is great. The combat chant right into the Sonny is putting it together montage.
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C
Let's say something about the crash real.
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A
Quick with the music. Yeah.
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C
Another reason why that crash is great is cause in the movie you don't know if he's going to die. It's very.
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B
Well, it's unexpected. Yeah.
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C
Yeah.
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A
You think he's gonna win the race. You're just like, oh, he's gonna pass this guy.
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C
But once he crashes, I could see them killing him.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Like it's a Brad Pitt deal. He's there. I could see the character dying. It's not like when you. In a Marvel film or some of these other big budget IP movies, these people are signed up for. Nobody's gonna die. There's a danger to this film because you don't know what's gonna happen. I could see them killing him. I thought maybe he was dead.
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A
The combat chant, Sonny putting it together montage. Really good music. The poker game. I have some thoughts on the poker game later, but it's an enjoyable scene.
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B
The first time through. Yeah.
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A
Carrie's wearing the strapless gonna Be completely candid.
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B
There is, like, an hour and a half version of this movie that's just the races. That is just, like, all I want to watch in my life.
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A
Well, they need this, though, to set up the hookup with her. Yeah, but I just like when anybody plays cards in a movie. The balcony scene, the Brad Pitt face. I was going to be world champion. Best there ever was. Then it was all taken away. Chasing that moment. Every time I get in the car, I don't know when I'll find it again, but, man, I want to. It's in that moment. I'm flying. It's pretty good.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Good stuff.
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A
You like that? She's just looking. They got the balcony with Vegas. Great scene. I like when they don't want him to race. If it's the last thing I do is drive that car, I will take that life.
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B
This is after Vegas, when he crashed Vegas.
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A
I had a question, though. Why not? When they're trying to decide whether Sonny should race or not, why not have Javier Bardem do a coin toss? All of a sudden, his hair parted forward, and he's just like, call it. Call it, Sonny. Then the final sprint, and then them winning and a champagne spray celebration. That seems really fun. Did the right guy crash? Let's just do this now.
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B
Oh, this is my hottest tape.
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A
Let's hear it. Let's go. Just do it now.
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B
My.
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A
A better movie if. If Sonny crashes.
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B
My Luke Wilson hottest take is basically sunny Sonny winning Abu Dhabi. Much like Maverick, where Maverick has to be the one who saves everybody's asses, is probably good for this movie, but bad for the movie industry. And it is kind of like a metaphor for, like, baby boomers staying in their houses. Like, we got to get you guys out of the paint. And it's not good for the movie industry if we don't build more Brad Pitts and more Tom Cruise's. And if these guys keep making movies like this where they're like, no, no, I win. I'm the. I'm the champion. But thank you for your assistance. It's bad for them. It's bad for the movie industry. So I like it. In the movie, we talked about the crash at the end.
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A
I remember we talked about this when we did the thing on my pod because my. That was the one thing I had walking out of the theater where I was like, huh? The better movie is if Damson wins.
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B
Yes.
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C
Well, it's.
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A
And Sonny puts him forward and pays it forward, and the team wins. But they have Sonny win, and it's just. And then it's like, you'll win more later. You're gonna win 10 of these. It's like, Willie, I don't know.
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C
So the best version of this, to me that's ever been done in this old dog, new dog thing is in color of money. Yeah. We're at the end what's his. Newman wins, but he doesn't know that he actually didn't win, that he's in a world now to where he can't see the angles anymore. So actually, Vince won. So you walk away. You kind of get the best of both worlds now. You get Eddie Filson, like, renewed and all of that. And you get the actual character walking away smiling. The young guy smiling. In this movie, though, I'm gonna keep it all the way real with y'. All. I didn't go to the movie to watch Damson with grace.
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B
So here's the only flip.
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C
I would say what you are saying is true. But, like, by the time we built it up to him because they didn't do enough for Damson's character in the movie to make him winning the race satisfactory. If his mom would have needed. If we knew more about all of this stuff.
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B
I completely agree with that.
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C
But, like, they didn't do enough for his character for him to win the race.
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A
First time, I was shocked that he didn't win. Second time, pit winning made more sense to me in the context of the movie, But I still think it's more interesting if they flip it. It's just a more interesting movie.
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B
Like the movie that probably did the handover. The best is Creed, and it's also a very successful franchise about a new quote unquote character, even though it's, like, a legacy.
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A
I was gonna say any given Sunday. Cause Cap gets hurt right before halftime.
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B
Sure.
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C
Yeah.
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A
But we makes the Dennis Quaid face.
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C
Cap, like, once again in that movie, there's no stakes in Willie Beeman taking over Kat. We barely get to know Kat.
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A
We're doing it.
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B
But it would be kind of cool if. If, like, it's a redo. Sonny crashes in Vegas and he's not allowed to race anymore. Like, Ruben won't let him race, so he becomes the guy on the guy on the ear, you know, Kate.
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A
Yeah. Nobody wants that.
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B
I know, but I'm just saying, like, it's bad for the movie industry if we do not make these dudes into, like, superstars.
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C
I don't disagree. Like, you Wonder if and F2 if JP gets to win or if they even. They could literally not bring JP back for F2.
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B
Fuck. I mean, F2 could just be Brad Pitt and Baja and I go see.
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A
Yeah, Would you see that?
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C
Yeah, I'll probably go watch it.
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A
Brad Pitt, Sonny Bunch in Baja.
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C
Yeah. Let Taylor Sheridan ride it. The cartels coming after him.
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B
Okay, so that was my hottest take, but we put it in for Abu Dhabi.
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A
You know, when you get old in life, things get taken away from you. It's part of life. You only learn that when you start losing stuff. Find out that life is just a game. Anxious.
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B
Are you doing any given Sunday.
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C
What's. What's happening?
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A
I'm just getting you guys ready for 2026. Any given Sunday on this team, we fight for that inch.
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B
I was like, did Sonny say that?
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C
Yeah. I'm like, what's going on?
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A
That probably would have been the way to have Sonny not race in the final race as he gives a Pacino, like any given Sunday speech to jp.
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B
My.
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A
What's your most rewatchable scene?
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B
Monza. It's fucking awesome. The virtual safety car. The rain coming in. Sunny cuts off.
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A
I like when the guy whips the fire thing to him because Sunny's closer. And then good little details.
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B
The slingshot move in the rain. Spray is awesome. So mods. I also really like the British Grand Prix when Sonny doesn't start. Like, it's like the race starts and Sonny's just sitting there and they're like, what's he doing? What's he doing?
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A
He's playing us.
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B
Yeah.
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C
If not for him, flying is definitely Monza for me. But the flying part was just really cool.
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A
That's my answer as well.
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C
There's only one other scene that I like.
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A
I love the ending of this movie.
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C
I love any scene in a movie where two old friends see each other. But at first they pretend like they don't know each other. Other. Yeah. And then.
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B
Diner.
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C
Yeah, in the diner. You old son of a.
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B
Come here, you son of a bitch.
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C
Come here, you son of a. You old fucking son. It's good to see you. Like, I love any scene like this.
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B
We should start doing that every time.
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C
Every time we see each other.
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A
That's when I come find CR in London in 25 years.
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B
I'm having a beer with Kerry Condon.
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C
Yeah. And you gotta go. We got a pod. One more time.
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A
He got a new podcast idea. It's a rewatchables of Oz.
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C
I need you.
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A
What's the most 2025 thing about this movie? Well, this just happened, but I'll give you a drive to survive reference the F1 having a major race in Las Vegas could only have happened in the last two years. And then JP watching Sonny's 1993 accident on YouTube. Yeah, I mean it's pretty. Yeah, those are really rooted in the.
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C
2020S making a movie like this about F1. At this particular point, F1 has taken.
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B
Over F1 being internationally beloved, celeb infested, mega sport.
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C
I wanted to know how you feel about this. So to me, F1 is the new soccer in that it's a sport and.
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B
That nobody actually watches it.
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C
That you have to act like you care about.
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A
If you are a cosmopolitan sport from an American standpoint.
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C
Yeah. If you're a cosmopolitan sports fan like us regular sports fans that get into baseball, playoff baseball, football and basketball, maybe a little tennis, maybe a little golf. When there's a dominant person then you're.
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A
Pretending you know something about the World Cup.
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C
Right.
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A
But like if you go to Croatia could beat England.
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B
Like I heard that by the way.
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A
On you and I just like last.
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C
Year there was friends of mine that were going, yeah, I'm going, I gotta go support my fucking driving team. I'm like, get the fuck outta here. Your driving team? What the fuck?
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A
I will say the under 30s there were, there were some of that jumped right in.
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C
But that's a part of it.
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A
Like now everybody, every podcast does pretty well.
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C
Everybody.
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A
I'm not shout out to Nick Schuster.
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C
I'm just saying everybody now has to have like a soccer team. You know, everybody has to have a soccer team. And it's like if you're, you're a true sports fan, if you're into soccer, if you're into the wnba, you're a true sports fan. Like yeah, that's kind of being a confidence.
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A
Before the WNBA went on a three year strike.
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C
The WNBA cooking right now, it's like fun to watch.
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A
I hope it's cooking with regular season games next year.
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C
Have you seen Audi Crooks?
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B
Where did she play?
- [62:56]
A
Who are you talking to?
- [62:57]
C
She plays for Iowa State.
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B
Iowa State?
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A
Have I seen Audi Crooks?
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C
All right, just making sure you're supporting the league, Bill. Cause they need you. I'm supporting if you don't because you've been in the past.
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A
I was texting with Shanae yesterday about it. I was dropping because she's going to come on the pod soon. Because we really have to figure out this WNBA strike before it becomes a strike.
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C
Yeah, it's true.
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A
This is not a good situation.
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B
Do people with F1, do they more cheer for drivers or teams.
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C
I think it's drivers. Right. Like the people that I know that are now likes.
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B
Like.
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A
I think it's like basketball where some people have teams and other people drivers. So if the drivers switch his team, you. It's like LeBron. Oh, LeBron's on the Cavs again. I'm moving. Fruiting for the Cavs.
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C
Let me ask you this. What? Michael Schumacher was F1, right?
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A
Sure.
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B
Yes. Because in the. Yeah.
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C
In the 90s, he was everywhere. Right?
- [63:47]
B
You see, you see, he did like those guys also moved around like they did indie.
- [63:51]
C
They Indy cars. They moved would.
- [63:52]
B
They would race F1 and also race other.
- [63:54]
A
Did he have a feud with Colt Trickle?
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B
Schumacher? No, it was him and Senna were.
- [63:59]
C
Were racing going back and forth.
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A
What stage the best, Brad Pit Living in a trailer. I'm just in every time.
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B
Yeah.
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A
At this point, I don't know if anyone's ever lived in a trailer better than him in a movie.
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B
It would be funny if he was playing like fdr, but he was living in a trailer.
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C
Back on a while.
- [64:18]
A
She just released a movie called Brad Pitt's Living in a Trailer. That's just the movie buddies.
- [64:23]
B
FDR open.
- [64:25]
C
As good looking as he is. He does slovenly. He does well. Yeah, he does.
- [64:31]
B
Like you're that hot, you can just do whatever you want.
- [64:34]
A
Who's your favorite bad pit character ever? Is it Moneyball Guy ny My favorite.
- [64:40]
B
Is probably either True Romance or. Or Fight Club. Yeah.
- [64:47]
A
Floyd. Floyd and True Romance, hands down.
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C
Yeah.
- [64:50]
A
One of my favorite characters of all.
- [64:51]
C
Time coming back just to.
- [64:53]
B
And then burn after reading would be like a. An honorable mention.
- [64:57]
A
What stage the best? I like movies with just a great expensive soundtrack.
- [65:02]
B
Yeah.
- [65:03]
A
That. They're just like. We're gonna have Queen and Led Zeppelin and some other on this. And we. Money was not.
- [65:08]
B
They also just did a full album of new music for this. For this record.
- [65:11]
A
I have a bunch. What do you have?
- [65:13]
B
I'm just a Irish guy who loves Carrie Condon.
- [65:21]
C
Yeah.
- [65:22]
B
I got. I got Carrie caught in. I love it when she goes, what's wrong with the car? That guy is sitting in it. And we also. We gotta bring. We gotta start saying box. Box. Like next time I have to pee, I'm gonna be like, box, box. I'm gonna walk offset like with like the F1 pit call. When like, they're like, I have to bring the car into pit road. They're like, box, box, box. Fox. Did you notice that?
- [65:49]
A
I did.
- [65:50]
B
Okay.
- [65:51]
A
I was thinking about should they have added a scene when. Because we never see Damson's dad. If, if. If JP's dad. And they were like, what happened to him? And Carrie, Conan was like, I gave him a taste. She took to her right away.
- [66:07]
C
Right away. You did Chemical Way.
- [66:10]
A
It was on. I told Sierra I was on the other day. I watched the entire movie. I just seen it, like, months ago.
- [66:15]
C
I'm gonna be real.
- [66:16]
A
If it's on, I just hop in.
- [66:17]
C
I watch a lot of villains say evil shit.
- [66:22]
B
Flower guys being like, I got your.
- [66:23]
C
Mom saying that to him is the most evil shit.
- [66:27]
B
And then your dad let you think.
- [66:29]
C
She just ran away as he's doing the fucking flower.
- [66:32]
A
Why are you putting your fucking flyers.
- [66:34]
C
Out there like that guy? That's one of the most evil villain monologues that I've ever seen. That was an evil motherfucker in that movie.
- [66:41]
A
Spirit animal. What else do you have? Crazy.
- [66:44]
B
Just like our introduction to Sonny as a guy who's like, listening to Led Zeppelin, doing his clothes at the laundromat, listening to the radio. I just think it's like a great character beat where you're like, this is a dude that's out of step with modern times.
- [66:57]
A
What do you have? The technical stuff had that as well. Like the in race scoreboard, graphic helpers, all of the tech, the analysis.
- [67:03]
C
Technical stuff.
- [67:04]
B
Yeah.
- [67:05]
C
How beautiful. This movie almost looks like it could be. It takes place in the present time, but, like, this movie looks like it could be like a near futurist film with how much stuff is going on.
- [67:13]
B
It's also crazy how you kind of like, I never really truly understand what the fuck is happening. But, like, by the end of the movie, you're like, oh, my God, he's gonna undercut him. You know, Like, I didn't know what that concept was before I watched this movie.
- [67:26]
C
And as a commercial, this might be the single most. And maybe you guys can think of one that's better. This might be the single most effective movie commercial, maybe other than the Wizard. Like when you were a kid and you were watching a wizard, you wanted to play Mario 3 like crazy when the wizard came out. But this knowing that that world exists, like these incredibly rich, beautiful people watching people drive these. That looks like an intoxicating world to be a part of. It made me sort of almost halfway half of 1% interested in F1, and I've never watched it.
- [68:00]
A
Yeah. The outdoor luxury box situation they have with the evil villain guy entertaining his guests, that seems pretty fun.
- [68:06]
C
Yeah.
- [68:06]
A
Who wants some caviar, guys? As we watch guys race it seems.
- [68:09]
B
Like like 80% of F1 audiences are in executive suites.
- [68:13]
A
Somehow I had the same thing with the scoreboard. Graphic helpers. How we always know where we are in the race. I just think we've seen so many sports movies where they fuck that up. You don't know what the score is. Or they have announcers. And here comes Sonny. Sonny Hayes. We didn't expect to see him. And they just screwed up. I have. Asking diner waitresses for advice. Always a win. What do you think there, Louise? Yeah.
- [68:42]
B
Well, how much are we talking? Yeah, it's not about the money.
- [68:45]
A
These diner waitresses are just undefeated. They've seen a lot.
- [68:49]
C
They've been through a lot.
- [68:49]
B
It's really funny.
- [68:50]
A
They've seen a lot. They're like bartenders, but they've seen even more.
- [68:53]
B
Brad Pitt got $30 million to do this movie. He's like, it's not about the money.
- [69:01]
A
The morning jogs. We mentioned the old school opening credit sequence.
- [69:06]
B
Awesome.
- [69:08]
A
We don't do opening credits anymore. Van brought me back to the 90s and then my last one. This is another sports movie trope, a mini one.
- [69:15]
B
The.
- [69:16]
A
In this case, the jumpy pit crew member.
- [69:19]
B
Yeah, Jody.
- [69:20]
A
Where you're like, oh, she's gonna be redeemed. Yeah, she's gonna come through. We're gonna have a changeover. At one point, she'll have her shit together. I always enjoy those. Okay. Big Kuna Burger war. Best use of food and drink. The beers, the beer date.
- [69:32]
C
Easy one.
- [69:33]
B
Honorable mention to Bardem and Pitt's diner scene.
- [69:35]
C
That's good too.
- [69:36]
A
Yeah. Great shot, Gordo. JP's car crash in slow mo.
- [69:40]
C
Yeah, that's a clear winner. But I was trying to think. There's so many awesome shots in the movie.
- [69:45]
B
That's just like. Gets my heart going. Is. Is just the shot of Sonny taking checkered flag and the fireworks going off. It's like.
- [69:53]
A
That's gorgeous.
- [69:53]
C
Beautiful. Yeah.
- [69:54]
A
Great use of fireworks in this movie. Kid Cudi Pursuit of Happiness Award. Best needle trap. It's clearly a whole lot of love. Led Z up.
- [70:01]
B
But I do like the Chris Stapleton song that plays over the practice race that when. When. When Sonny first gets to the team.
- [70:08]
A
Chess. Rockwell Brock Lander's best character name. Sonny Hayes. What do you have?
- [70:13]
B
The British media, The sports reporter. Don Cavendish. Sonny. Sonny. You're a gambler.
- [70:22]
A
That could have been. That should be a new category for 26. What part could CR have played?
- [70:26]
C
That would have been you?
- [70:27]
A
Easily could have been Don Cavendish.
- [70:29]
B
Yeah.
- [70:29]
C
Cavendish comes up.
- [70:31]
A
Oh, you Have a flex category. What do you got?
- [70:33]
B
Oh, when would I have died? Now, most people would probably say when they were driving. I think I would die cleaning gravel off of the track. I think I would be like busy listening to something and then like getting distracted and getting by.
- [70:50]
C
Len, Final Destination, Butch's girlfriend award for.
- [70:55]
A
Weak link of the film. I have a glaring one. But what do you have? Have I have.
- [70:58]
B
You go.
- [70:59]
C
No, you go like. It was hard for me to like find one, but it was probably his manager.
- [71:05]
B
Dude, punch it in. Yeah, it's, it's, it's the guy. Samson Ko is good in it.
- [71:10]
C
Yeah.
- [71:11]
B
But it is a nothing part.
- [71:12]
C
Yeah.
- [71:14]
A
See a bad guy, a good guy and he.
- [71:16]
C
Even at the end when JP decides not to do it, they didn't, they haven't committed enough to the character.
- [71:21]
B
He's just like daps him up.
- [71:22]
C
He's like, cool.
- [71:23]
B
We're not going to do social media anymore.
- [71:25]
C
Right now. I don't have a job. He's just fired me. But that's great. I mean, they're probably cousins or something like that.
- [71:29]
A
Yeah, they are, but these guys exist, though. It's like the Anthony Edwards buddy Adidas commercial.
- [71:33]
C
But you need to me, you gotta commit to that character a little bit. Give that character something, make him a little sinister.
- [71:39]
B
Yeah, he has to be like, I want to go to these parties for myself. I need you to come to get me in kind of thing.
- [71:44]
A
I'm trying to get laid.
- [71:45]
C
Either funnier or more serious or something.
- [71:48]
A
Sonny's way too fucking old to be an F1 driver.
- [71:51]
C
That's picking nits though.
- [71:53]
A
Now this is the weak link of the film. I looked it up. The oldest Formula one driver ever to win a Grand Prix was Luigi Fagioli. He's 53 years old. That was in 1951 at the French Grand Prix. Lewis Hamilton is the oldest 21st century driver to win a race. He was 39 years old in 2004. Sonny crashed in 93. So he's either 19 or 20 when he crashes. So that makes him 51, 52 or 53 in this film. This would be like, like, like Jack Nicklaus winning the 86 masters multiplied by seven.
- [72:26]
C
It's impossible, right?
- [72:28]
A
There are no 50 year old F1 drivers.
- [72:30]
B
Well, it's also like, how many old F1 drivers have also had major spinal surgery?
- [72:35]
C
C5.
- [72:35]
A
And never were really in an F1 before. Yeah, all of this is improbable, but I love it. And it's. That's why I'd want to put in nitpicks. Was there a better title for this movie? In 2023, ESPN reported that the film was titled Apex.
- [72:52]
C
Terrible title. Terrible title for a movie that.
- [72:56]
A
I don't like the title F1. I don't think it's a good title. I think it's too confusing with the actual property. And I think they should have come up with a better one. What they call this. Sunny Hayes, Apex F1. It's like you Google it and F1 comes up.
- [73:09]
B
I think also F1. Calling it that made it seem more explicitly like an advertisement for the. For the. For the racing. So it almost like, is like a little like.
- [73:20]
A
Would you call it flying?
- [73:21]
B
No, but that's the thing. Is, like, what are you gonna call it?
- [73:23]
C
But, you know, if you're trying. If you're trying to. I don't like the Apex name. If you're. If you're trying to do a commercial for F1. Like I said, the movie, it lives inside the fact that it's straightforward and vapid.
- [73:36]
A
All right, counter. If this was a movie about an NBA player and they just called it NBA, that'd be weird.
- [73:42]
C
It wouldn't make any sense because the sport's so well established.
- [73:44]
A
You guys going to see NBA?
- [73:45]
B
No, man, I'm going to see Atlanta Hawks. It's kind of the independent version of it.
- [73:49]
A
F1's a bad title. What's age? The worst? So we don't know because the Spoon Bee only came out six months ago.
- [73:55]
C
I got one real one. So Lewis Hamilton's beloved dog Roscoe is in this film.
- [74:02]
A
Oh. And yeah, now he's dead.
- [74:04]
C
Roscoe has passed away. It was very tough for Lewis Hamilton. He talked a lot about it. And when I saw Roscoe, when I was. Went to go see the movie, at first, Roscoe was still alive and well, it was cool. He meant a lot to F1. He was kind of an F1 mascot. And when you see him now, you think about how much that must sell Hamilton.
- [74:20]
A
Yeah, I had this as more than a nitpick. So I put it here. This movie ends three times, and I think you could make a case you just stick with the first ending.
- [74:32]
C
Which would be what?
- [74:33]
A
Yeah, he wins the race. He's walking off. It could have ended there. He's got to say goodbye to Kerry Condon. So you have that moment. It could end it there. Then he's got to say goodbye one more time to JP Easily could end it there. And now we're going to Baja.
- [74:49]
C
Yeah, Baja. Baja was too much.
- [74:51]
A
What the fuck Baja was fine, but just make that a deleted scene. It was like they liked how they.
- [74:55]
C
Shot it or post credited, like, Baja was too much.
- [74:58]
A
Right. End the movie, maybe make that. Just post credits completely. But there's no way that should have been the ending. You could have just ended this with him spraying the champagne. I think you're right.
- [75:07]
B
But it is like, this is a guy who does what he says he's gonna do. And it's not about the money. It's about the driving, you know? So you have to have that hammered home one more time when he gets. When he gets to Baja, when he gets to Mexico.
- [75:20]
C
All right.
- [75:20]
A
I find it hard to believe this guy's like, My F1 career is now over. The only one by one race age the worst.
- [75:26]
B
I mean, this is also a nitpick, but we kind of mentioned this. I think there should have been more scenes of F1 drivers interacting with these guys and. Or commenting on the fictional reality of the movie.
- [75:39]
A
Well, even that one scene with the talk show with the guy. With the guy who ran Apex with the two real guys, Zach Brown and. Yeah, Ruffalo. Hannah Rubnick Partridge overacting award. I would probably say your English reporter guy. What is that guy? He's like, on cocaine.
- [75:57]
C
Yeah.
- [75:58]
A
Treating people, Sonny.
- [76:00]
C
Treating people like shit. Asking crazy questions. Yeah. It's paid out.
- [76:06]
A
You got a flex category, Ben?
- [76:07]
C
I do. I got another top five. This is the top five scenes of old guys schooling young guys in movies. Five to one. Number five, Joe Clark to Sam's in Lean on Me.
- [76:19]
B
Yeah.
- [76:20]
C
On the roof.
- [76:21]
A
Yeah.
- [76:21]
C
Why don't you just jump? It kills your brain cells, son. It kills your brain cells. Sam's looking at. He's overtaken by the fact that he's actually on crack and Joe Clark is trying to save his life.
- [76:32]
B
I don't think you're allowed to do that in schools anymore.
- [76:34]
C
Probably not to think like you're gonna push somebody off the roof of the goddamn school.
- [76:37]
A
LA Times continues to investigate.
- [76:39]
C
Right. Like Joe Clark. Number four, Rocky beats up Tommy Gunn. Oh, my God.
- [76:46]
B
I can't believe how much we have to talk about this.
- [76:47]
C
I'm sorry, bro. Rocky putting them hands on.
- [76:50]
A
Tommy was asking for it.
- [76:51]
C
Tommy was asking for it.
- [76:52]
B
Okay, that's very meaningful.
- [76:53]
A
Come into the bar and start talking shit.
- [76:55]
C
Number three, Shep out, dueling Kyle Watson in the one on one game.
- [77:02]
A
And above the rim, 15 straight 14 footers.
- [77:06]
C
And then at the end. You hear that? You hear that? He talking to his friend. He says, I'm cool. It's Good.
- [77:14]
A
Number two, that's where they probably would have put him in a straitjacket.
- [77:18]
C
When he's talking to his buddy, he's looking up. They're like, Nutso, Nutso, Nutso. You hear that? Nutso.
- [77:24]
A
He liked Nutso more than anyone's ever liked one of their friends. Like, did you ever have a friend you cared about more than Nutso?
- [77:30]
C
I have a couple of them, but no friends that I would play basketball on the roof with with no fence. And then the way Nutso died is fucking upsetting.
- [77:40]
A
It's the best.
- [77:40]
C
Okay?
- [77:41]
A
That movie's elite.
- [77:43]
C
Number two is split. One Yoda schooling Luke when Luke cannot raise the Dagobah in Dagobah out of the thing. And then Luke's dad also got schooled.
- [77:58]
A
Yeah.
- [77:58]
C
Kenobi stood there and he said, anakin, don't try it. Don't try to jump. And Anakin went, you're underestimating my power. He jumped, and Kenobi cut his fucking leg.
- [78:11]
A
Spoiler. Jesus.
- [78:12]
C
Come on, Kenobi.
- [78:13]
B
No, you're talking about the prequels.
- [78:15]
C
I'm talking about in Revenge of the Sith. It's just one of my all time favorite. You got too much dip on your chip moments. Anakin's like, I'm the chosen one. I could jump.
- [78:24]
B
So that was two Star wars as number one.
- [78:25]
C
As number. No, no, as number two. Number one is very clear. This is the best, and I hate to give you this props, the best old guy schooling young guy scene ever to me is Robin Williams to Matt Damon on the bench in Goodwill Hunting.
- [78:42]
A
Just watched it with Ben Simmons.
- [78:44]
B
Did you really?
- [78:45]
A
Ben Simmons and I watched Goodwill Hunting and Shawshank Redemption back to back two nights ago.
- [78:49]
B
Does Ben like F1?
- [78:50]
A
Yo, he loved it.
- [78:51]
C
Yeah. Yeah, that's some hardcore bonding right there.
- [78:53]
A
Goodwill hunting was great.
- [78:55]
C
He's sitting down there and he's telling him the whole thing. He just cuts Will down.
- [78:59]
A
And you looked at a painting for five seconds and you cut apart my fucking life.
- [79:03]
C
My whole fucking life. You ever been on a plane before? Like, the whole 9? Just takes his whole shit apart because Will is a genius, but Robin Williams is experienced.
- [79:15]
A
Your move, chief.
- [79:16]
C
Your move, chief.
- [79:17]
A
Yep, it's a great one. I will say watching Shawshank with Ben was one of my highlights of 2025. He had no idea what was going to happen.
- [79:25]
C
Really?
- [79:26]
A
And he was like, is he going to. Then Andy gets the rope. He's going back to his cell and he's like, he's going to hang himself. Like, what the fuck? And Then the next day they're like, he doesn't come out for the cell and he gone. And Ben was just. He lost his mind like four times. Forget how great that movie is. Hottest take. Sierra already gave his. Did you have one?
- [79:46]
C
Yeah. I don't like anybody in real life or in movies that throws cards for fun.
- [79:52]
B
It's also, what? Have you ever in your life seen somebody do that?
- [79:56]
C
It's like, think about what kind of obsessive bastard you have to be to throw all them cars for fun. I don't trust you at all. I think that number one, you gotta go clean up all the cards. Then you gotta do it again. Crazy alone time you gotta spend. Number two, it's kind of violent, you throwing cards. I feel like what you really want to be throwing is like ninja stars or some shit like that that can.
- [80:17]
A
Like switchblades, like fireworks, like you want.
- [80:20]
C
To throw something at somebody. Number two, I just never trusted anyone that's like too into cars and using cars as tricks and throwing cards. There's one guy in the history of throwing cars that was cool. One dude. Gambit X Men. Charge a car kinetically, Throw a bus.
- [80:34]
A
Don't say that.
- [80:35]
B
You're really pushing Bill with Revenge of the Sith and Gambit from X Men.
- [80:38]
A
Come on now.
- [80:39]
C
You gotta know it. It's a useless skill just throwing cars sitting around there. They always make it as a cool movie thing too. You're just tossing cars. I've never liked people that done that before.
- [80:49]
A
My hottest take was that I like racing movies ten times more than actual racing. Yes. Let's take a break and then we'll do some casting. What ifs?
- [80:58]
B
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A
Casting what ifs. You mentioned Damson. Idris was hired after passing the F1 driving test. We don't know who the other actors he beat out were, but we'll find out in about 12 years as the Internet starts making up names of people that are around the same age. Simone Ashley, we do know that she did promotional tour interviews, is in the movie as his love. Interesting. And then just got cut out.
- [82:17]
C
I must suck.
- [82:18]
B
Yes.
- [82:19]
A
Can you imagine?
- [82:20]
B
Because you're probably like, I'm. I'm in. I'm gonna be in one of the biggest movies of the year. And I'm like, a big part. And they're just like, yeah, it just didn't work. But then you go to the movie.
- [82:27]
A
I went to F1.
- [82:28]
C
Where were you?
- [82:29]
B
But you go to the movie, you're like, oh, so we needed another jogging scene.
- [82:32]
C
Yeah.
- [82:33]
B
Like, thanks.
- [82:36]
A
Pitt was supposed to be in the original Ford vs Ferrari with Tom Cruise, and it was called Go like hell with Kaczynski to direct him. But it fell apart.
- [82:44]
C
Y.
- [82:45]
A
And they ended up working together in this best that guy award. I mean, there's a few. What do you. What you have for this?
- [82:51]
B
I have Kim Bad from the dude from Killing Eve. Is Casper the. The team principal, like the guy who's like, got. Got his family coming to visit at the garage and stuff? Or Will Merrick, who's the dude who's always like, box, box, box.
- [83:05]
A
Who's the guy in the first scene, the whole lot of love scene?
- [83:08]
B
Shay Wiggum.
- [83:09]
A
Yeah.
- [83:10]
B
That's not a. That's.
- [83:11]
A
He's not that guy.
- [83:12]
B
That's a major dude.
- [83:13]
C
Yeah, that's a guy. Yeah, it's a dude.
- [83:15]
A
That's what I feel. He used to be that guy, though.
- [83:17]
C
But he's been in.
- [83:18]
A
He's a graduated, that guy.
- [83:19]
B
Very much so.
- [83:20]
C
Yeah, he's. Yeah, he's Shay.
- [83:21]
A
Although maybe not because I couldn't remember his name. Maybe he hasn't graduated.
- [83:24]
B
Would you give him Dion Waiters?
- [83:26]
C
That's my Dion Waiters.
- [83:27]
B
Shay.
- [83:28]
C
Cause I can't. He's so much more of a that guy than me to me that I could not understand why he showed up in the movie for one scene and then had three lines and then you never see him again. Game.
- [83:42]
A
Apple. Apple Money. Like, come on in two days.
- [83:45]
B
I wonder whether or not he was supposed to be. Have a bigger part. I don't know.
- [83:48]
C
He was also maybe trimmed down or cut out.
- [83:50]
A
Dion Waiters. Could we go with the aggressive English reporter Don Cavendish.
- [83:54]
B
We should do with Don Cavendish. I have. I. I went with Tobias Menzies. Do you think Peter Banning is in this movie too much?
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Ah, he's too much.
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C
He might be in a little too much. That's a good one, though, because he. When he's in it, he's dialing it up.
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B
I don't really think this movie needed that character.
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C
Yeah, it's a knit. The villain turn is like, completely white.
- [84:12]
B
And like the whole, like, betray Ruben and I. I leaked the papers. It's like. I don't know. It was. It was going fine.
- [84:18]
A
But you could go with the McLaren and the Ferrari guys in that one scene too, maybe.
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B
Yeah.
- [84:22]
A
Just coming in hot, shitting all over the bus. Recasting couch. Director of City. I wouldn't change anything.
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B
Well, they also used all the cities.
- [84:29]
A
Yeah, they used every city. Craig is not here. Craig's on vacation. And there's no flex category. Half asset research. Bruckheimer said it took a year to convince everyone to be able to do this on race weekends. Everybody was worried about being the villain. He promised everyone no villains. The trailer uses the chain by Fleetwood Mac, which apparently Formula One's been using on BBC since 1978. But that's not in the movie. The crash that ended Sonny's career was based on the actual crash of Martin Donnelly in the 1990s Spanish Grand Prix. He was an advisor on the film. Kaczynski said they had over 500 or 5,000 hours of footage in two years to edit because of the strikes, and he thought that was one of the reasons the movie was so good. A former F1 female strategy engineer named Bernie Collins from Northern Ireland, CR provided the inspiration for the Kerry Connor character.
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B
Sure.
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A
Could be. Wife, too. Who knows? I don't know what she's doing.
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C
You just. You put it in there. Right there.
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A
She smokes Marlboro Red.
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C
Ripping 6.
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The F1 album has just a lot of famous people in it.
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B
Sheeran Stapleton.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Sponsorships from various brands in this movie brought in at least 40 million bucks.
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C
And there's another reason why they disputed the. The budget stuff. Yeah.
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A
Yeah. There's a whole bunch of camera stuff that I'm not going to go through, but if you're interested in it, you could read about all the ways they mounted things. Apple making them, how they made the smallest cameras ever.
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C
I looked around for a doc on all of this, and there's not. I would really.
- [86:04]
B
Mostly stuff about, like, pieces about Samson and Brad learning how to drive stuff. But, like, the. The cameras were Essentially like the kind that they used in Top Gun, operated by remote control. And like the stuff that they're doing where it's like on Brad Pitt's face and then snap panning to another driver. Whether that's a visual effect or what, it's incredible.
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C
Well, the, the director said that one of the. The primary focuses that they had was making sure that when they were on the guys during the racing scenes that they didn't have to act. He's like one thing that can throw the racing scenes off is if the guys faces don't match the intensity of what's happening. Yeah.
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A
Cruz, I'm sorry. Pitt looks like he's couple, especially in the last scene. It really looks like he's like. He's like flying to outer space. Apex Mountain. Too hard to do in the movie. Just came out.
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B
But I do think it's apex.
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A
I think F1 has a real apexi.
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B
Because now it's back to back.
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A
Those would be the huge movies.
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C
Yeah.
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I don't know about anybody else. Maybe Carrie Condon.
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C
We'll see. I could argue that. Oh, you know. Yeah. I could argue that Kaczynski was Top Gun, but is this. It's. It's F1 for sure. For me.
- [87:11]
A
I think Maverick with this. That guy is. Now we're going to his next movie. I don't know what it is.
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B
Miami Vice.
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A
Did we meet him last month? We did, right?
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B
Running Man. Yeah.
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A
I tried to. I tried to be cool.
- [87:23]
C
Who, Kaczynski? Yeah. He came to the office. Jack Sanders. Jack Sanders completely embarrassed me.
- [87:28]
B
Why? What did he say?
- [87:29]
A
So like fucking Jack Sanders, Like Jack.
- [87:32]
C
Sanders comes to the office.
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B
Did you try to go up to Joe and go, Joe Kaczynski, you son of a bitch.
- [87:41]
C
Me and Jack have this thing that we do.
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A
Yeah.
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C
To where I see Jack and I go, what time is it? And Jack says, it's nigga time.
- [87:49]
B
Jack Sanders?
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C
Yeah. And he said that. Jack says that. Right. And this, it's a part of me and Jax bonding. Yeah. And so it's a part of me and Jax bonding. And we say that. And so that doesn't happen. So I walked up to Jack, man.
- [88:05]
B
This is fucked up if you're lying. He's been doing this also. Can we actually. He's got like this weird new thing he's doing. There's this story which did not happen. I know it didn't. And then the other day he sent me like 14 text messages being like, like, Chris, Chris, Chris Tua wants to come on the watch. I Was like, tua from the Dolphins. And he's like, yeah, Tua likes the show. He wants to come on the watch. And I'm like, man, you're with me. But like, honestly, like, I don't really know if we would have a spot for Tua if he doesn't watch shows.
- [88:38]
C
He's like, what does Tua want to do?
- [88:39]
B
And you're like, why don't you just answer me about whether Tua is allowed on the watch? What's wrong with you?
- [88:47]
A
Don't you have to do this is your best bid of 20, 25.
- [88:50]
C
So I walk up to Jack, we can't run this.
- [88:56]
B
There are gonna be people.
- [88:58]
A
Okay, at least you made that one part of.
- [88:59]
C
I did make. So listen, so here's the deal. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I've asked this to be a bit for me and Jack and Jack has never agreed.
- [89:10]
B
No shit.
- [89:11]
C
Right? So I've asked for this to be a bit between me and Jack and Jack has never. And Kaczynski was in the. Kaczynski was in the office and he was doing. He was doing the big picture. The big picture. And so I walk up to Jack when he's with Kaczynski and I go, yo, Jack, what time is it? And Jack goes, man, leave me alone. I'm doing important stuff. And then I realized that Kaczynski was with him and he walked away and Kaczynski turned around and it was boom.
- [89:42]
B
So your point is that Jack has never said that?
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C
No, Jack has never said it. Jack refuses to say it.
- [89:47]
B
I'm glad that came in.
- [89:49]
C
I kept telling Jack over and over.
- [89:50]
B
And over is the most pop powerful man in the world right now. He could single handedly.
- [89:55]
C
I kept telling Jack over and over, I'm like, Jack, come on. Jack's like, no, Van, no. All right.
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B
So Tua didn't want to come on the.
- [90:03]
C
Watch out, bro. I was so high when I was sending this.
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A
I love. I love this Cruiser X Cruz. Yeah.
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C
And.
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B
And there's been like I. Kaczynski said this, I think in somewhat jest, but was a F2. Could be Days of Thunder 2 like we could have. Hey, I saw that cold trickle and that's interesting. Yeah.
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A
65 year old F1 driver. Sounds realistic.
- [90:30]
C
I mean just, just. Definitely just, just for what the now, right? It's.
- [90:36]
B
What if there was just like a car racing movie and it was just. But Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise sitting in the stands drinking micklow.
- [90:43]
A
It should be a movie where Tom Cruise has To get his driver's license renewed. Yeah, yeah, that's the movie. It's called renewal.
- [90:48]
C
Yeah, Renewal.
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A
Scorsese or Spielberg? Scorsese.
- [90:52]
C
Spielberg. Perfect movie for Spielberg.
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B
I guess so. I guess so.
- [90:56]
C
Perfect. Perfect movie for Spielberg.
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A
I would like Square Sting.
- [91:00]
C
This is essentially Jurassic park, but with cars. The cars or the.
- [91:03]
A
All right, fine. What role Philip Seymour Hoffman have played the villain investor.
- [91:08]
B
There's no question. Yeah. Peter Banning.
- [91:10]
A
Picking nets. I have a slew of them. So go ahead.
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B
I mean, the number one thing from what I've gathered from F1 is that Sonny would not be allowed to just fly to Abu Dhabi and race. Fly premium economy walk onto the track and be like, I'm racing.
- [91:27]
A
Well, there's on top of the fact that that's like a 30 hour flight and he'd be completely jet lagged. He's just like, where's my helmet?
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B
He's also getting in premium economy seating from like a global flight after.
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C
Yeah.
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B
Screwing his backup.
- [91:39]
C
Right? The whole nine he's got.
- [91:40]
A
Yeah, that's the thing. He's not flying more than four hours without standing up and just going up and down. They said it is a breach of Formula one worlds, by the way. You have to qualify.
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B
You do yours well.
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C
I got one.
- [91:51]
A
Yeah.
- [91:52]
C
Have we ever paid attention to the fact that when we compare Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise, there's one thing that Tom Cruise is clearly better at. Brad Pitt is a terrible runner. He looks terrible.
- [92:03]
A
Like seagal level bad, not seagal level bad.
- [92:06]
B
Are you saying that because of the outfits that he wears while he jogs?
- [92:09]
C
I'm watching him in the movie when he's running and it was jarring to me that he was running like this. He looked terrible to me when he was running. He's a bad runner. He's a bad movie runner.
- [92:20]
B
Isn't he running in chucks in this movie too?
- [92:22]
C
He might be. That might be the reason why his Achilles might be sore.
- [92:25]
A
So I thought he was doing a bit because Sonny has a bad back trying to run.
- [92:29]
C
He's running in characters maybe. I tried to think of other movies where he ran. There's a little bit of running in Troy. Troy. He looks like deadly athletic. But like in this one, the running was bad. Bad running from Pitt.
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A
No, Seagal, though.
- [92:41]
C
No, come on, man. No Seagal.
- [92:43]
A
Seagal. Just running with his hands by his sides. I have a couple picking nits, including the clumsy pit boss blonde. What was her name?
- [92:52]
C
Jody.
- [92:53]
A
She's fired. Ten minutes in the movie. You fuck that up once you're done Is that true? No, I just think they Fire.
- [92:59]
B
Okay.
- [92:59]
A
They're like, oh, we'll give her another chance. She's cost you nine seconds. She's done.
- [93:03]
C
Gotta be careful. Fire. She goes to Ron and Pharaoh.
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A
And then I have a new award to give out.
- [93:08]
C
You in taking nits?
- [93:11]
A
Yeah, but I think this is a new award we could carry over. It's the Michael Rooker and cliffhanger. What the are you mad about award to JP's mom. What is she mad at Sunny for?
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B
Yeah.
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A
Her son audible and played hero. Crashed.
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C
She doesn't know what happened.
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A
She's yelling at Sunny.
- [93:29]
C
He tells her later. Later.
- [93:30]
A
Yeah, I know, but come on.
- [93:32]
C
Tells her later what? She doesn't know what happened.
- [93:33]
B
It's like. It's actually like, isn't all that stuff on radio and recaptured? Wouldn't anybody be like, hey, Sonny's mom. Like, Sonny actually?
- [93:40]
C
Well, how's she gonna get to the radio? She not part of the team.
- [93:43]
B
Yeah, but it's even. Don't they broadcast that on television?
- [93:45]
C
I don't know.
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A
Listen.
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B
He's like, yo.
- [93:49]
A
Yeah. Somebody's got to be like, yo. Sonny tried to tell him to wait, and he didn't. Michael Rooker is still the worst one, though. What are you mad at Gabe for? He's climbing out of line to save your dumbass girlfriend who shouldn't been hiking.
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C
You.
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A
Cliffhanger guy or not.
- [94:04]
C
I like it.
- [94:05]
A
Come on. 1993. Sunny, when they do the flashback. Come on. We have better special effects than this. Spent 300 million on the movie. And it looks like Brad Pit wearing a wig. He looks like he's, like, wearing Wayne's world's the old Garth wig.
- [94:19]
B
Yes.
- [94:20]
A
It's just bad. I wanted more realistic.
- [94:22]
B
I sent you guys the 1984 Dallas Grand Prix. Yeah. On YouTube.
- [94:27]
A
Yeah.
- [94:27]
B
Entirety. And it is really crazy to go back and watch, like, how bad the TV coverage of that was because there's so much time with, like, oh, there's a crash. You guys can't see it because we only have two cameras, right?
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C
Yeah.
- [94:41]
B
This is like some dude hobbling out of his car. And he's like, oh, that was. That was terrible. But I. I don't think we caught that. But if you did, right.
- [94:48]
A
Like, poker game should have been way better. Here's a really good nitpick. So Sunny gets out of the hospital in Las Vegas, and the. The investor comes to see him. He's like, I thought I'd catch you. And Sonny's van is in Las Vegas. Why is Sunny's Van in Las Vegas. Is he just driving around in a van to all these tournaments? How did it get there?
- [95:11]
B
Well, no, I mean it's. He's been in Europe.
- [95:14]
A
Yeah. He's flying around with the crew. How does his van get into Las Vegas?
- [95:18]
B
Well, the, the funny thing is how.
- [95:20]
A
Does his trailer get around all these his places?
- [95:21]
B
That's a great nitpick. Bardem picks him up in Florida and is like, here's a first class ticket. Theoretically, Sonny drove his car to Nevada and put it in a parking lot and then.
- [95:33]
A
And then a parking lot with no other cars. It's just bizarre. Yeah, just be getting like an Uber.
- [95:38]
C
Right. Because at some point he's globetrotting so much that the van has to be like an afterthought.
- [95:44]
A
And then the. I just don't think you can hop in an F1 car after a 30 hour flight from Abu Dhabi when you have a metal rod in your back.
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B
No, there's just no way. I would also say one of my picking nits is I think F1 cars to me drive way too fast. So that if you're having like double vision or any kind of cognitive problem while you're driving them, you're just dead.
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C
Yeah.
- [96:06]
B
Like you can't be like, oh man. Kind of can't see. Max.
- [96:11]
A
Sequel prequel. Prestige tv all black cast are untouchable. Too soon to say. I would go, but probably sequel sequel for sure.
- [96:18]
B
90S prequel of Ruben and Sunny in the earlier days of F1 prequel.
- [96:24]
C
Cool.
- [96:24]
B
Yeah.
- [96:24]
C
Austin Butler as Sonny.
- [96:25]
A
F minus one.
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B
F minus one.
- [96:28]
A
Yes. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trail, Mad Dog Russo, Doris Burke, Buffalo Bill, Sam Jackson, Nell, the rest of the crew, Wolford, Brimley and the Firm. What do you have?
- [96:37]
B
Will you do a little bit of Mad Dog for us?
- [96:39]
A
You want me to do some Mad Dog?
- [96:40]
B
Mad Dog talking to Cavendish.
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A
I was going to do a little Herb Street.
- [96:47]
B
Oh yeah.
- [96:48]
A
Oh yeah, yeah. Herb street, NFL. Herb street NFL. Doing the game.
- [96:54]
B
Let's hear it.
- [96:56]
A
After the crash when the, in the final scene when JP crashes with I think Lewis Hamilton and then Sonny's going for that last lap and Herb street halfway through the lap goes, oh, I think he can win this. He might take home the checkered flag out.
- [97:17]
B
Do you think Herb Street Michaels last night with the Seahawks Rams. Gabe. We're like, what the fuck? We actually have like a game on our street.
- [97:23]
A
Didn't realize they were going for the, the two point conversion until they're on the 10 yard line.
- [97:28]
C
Mike, Al is just brutal. No, Al Is out of it.
- [97:32]
A
Al missed that. Oh, that was a long game for Al. I love Al.
- [97:35]
C
I know.
- [97:35]
A
Four hours.
- [97:36]
C
Al is. Al was. Oh, a touchdown. Okay.
- [97:40]
A
He's got it. I mean, that was the most exciting NFL game we're probably ever going to have on a Thursday night.
- [97:46]
C
I can't believe. Score or. Okay, let's.
- [97:48]
A
If we had had Kevin Harlan on that game, he'd be dead. They'd be like scraping him out of the seat. Did you have. You have a. Some mad dog or.
- [97:54]
B
No, no, I was just. I wanted. You're the better mad dog. Yeah.
- [97:59]
A
What would mad dog be mad at in this movie? Just cue me up.
- [98:03]
B
He. That fact. Like I can't race in Monza when it's raining.
- [98:09]
A
They would change the tires. Mike.
- [98:11]
B
You can't go hard. Soft time.
- [98:13]
A
It's like here's apex going through seven drivers instead of a 51 year old Sonny bunch. Just want to ask her who gets it. Probably the editing, right?
- [98:23]
C
The cinematography.
- [98:24]
B
I had the guy. The cameras.
- [98:26]
A
Yeah, yeah. So what. What does the camera thing go under?
- [98:28]
B
I don't think cinematography. Yeah. Okay.
- [98:31]
A
Probably an answerable question. I brought this up earlier, but is this movie better if Javier Bardem is dressed like Anton Sugar the entire time?
- [98:38]
B
That's true.
- [98:38]
C
Yeah.
- [98:39]
A
Just every scene he's just dressed like that guy in all black with the bull hair cut.
- [98:44]
B
Is Sunny anti. Is Sunny a little bit racist in this movie?
- [98:48]
C
I. I didn't get it.
- [98:49]
A
But he whiff of racist.
- [98:51]
B
Like there was like a line when he's just like. We just call that a participation trophy.
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C
I don't think so. I don't think that he is. I think he's probably. He clearly was. Was a up that had like some skeletons in his closet, but I never got that from him.
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A
This is Van's 2026 podcast we're launching where we go through famous movie characters.
- [99:09]
C
Are they racist?
- [99:10]
A
Van tries to decide if there is a whiff of racism.
- [99:12]
C
Who do we start with? With. Start with Superman.
- [99:15]
A
Oh, Jack Nicholson, Colonel Jessup.
- [99:17]
B
Oh, well, Kefir is super racist in that.
- [99:21]
A
Just all the characters. A few good men. You just go through the whole.
- [99:23]
B
They're also all anti Semitic. They're all like Mr. Weinberg.
- [99:28]
C
Lieutenant Weinberg. He hates him.
- [99:30]
A
Yeah. He really can't stand him. What piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie? What do you got?
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C
I got the helmet and a part of. So the helmet. The helmet's good. Maybe the wreckage from one of the cars. Oh, yeah, I will want what I wouldn't want is the fucking card. I don't like people who throw cards.
- [99:51]
A
The deck of cards. That's what I was gonna get you.
- [99:53]
B
No, Sonny's watch.
- [99:55]
C
It's a good one.
- [99:56]
A
Watch is a good one. Trailer would be good too. The only other thing was that racing magazine that they doctored.
- [100:02]
B
Oh, yeah, that.
- [100:03]
A
That would be cool to get framed. I could look at right behind Van Coach Finstock award. Best life lesson. It's never too late to not be the best that never was anymore.
- [100:12]
B
That's very wise.
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C
Yeah.
- [100:14]
B
I have create your own breaks.
- [100:17]
A
Best double feature choice.
- [100:18]
C
I have dip your dip your opinion in Company Inc. It might work out. What? It worked out. We've seen it. It's working out.
- [100:28]
B
You know what? That is a. It is an office romance. That worked out.
- [100:32]
A
Romance that should come back. Was our best lesson.
- [100:34]
C
Okay.
- [100:35]
A
Double feature.
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B
I'm going Grand Prix. The John Frankenheimer movie from 66.
- [100:39]
C
I gotta go. Days of Thunder. Days of Thunder was my favorite racing movie before this. I think this is not my favorite.
- [100:45]
A
Days of Thunder because of Bruckheimer. There you go. And then who won the movie? Brad Pitt or F1?
- [100:50]
B
I'm Joe Kaczynski.
- [100:52]
A
Kaczynski.
- [100:53]
C
I was going Brad, but that's probably the answer. Brad is the easy answer. I think that's probably the answer because this means more for Kaczynski than it.
- [100:59]
B
Does for Brad Pitt. Like, I don't think the Russo brothers could have. Like, there's. You could fuck this movie up. And he's. He's the best.
- [101:06]
A
I think the answer is Brad Pitt because Little bit of a Rocky last 10 years for Brad, to say the least. And then once upon a time pulled him out of it a little bit. But I think he needed one more.
- [101:17]
B
Yep.
- [101:17]
A
Now I feel like he's bad. No, he's back. And nobody talks about now the off the field stuff with Brad.
- [101:23]
C
Jesus. Yeah. We didn't give into that. Now does Brad do. Because Kaczynski's going on to do. I get Miami Vice. Does Brad, like, hitch his wagon to Kaczynski now and, like, try to get more films with him?
- [101:36]
B
He's doing an Edward Berger movie and something else. But I think they'll make F2 before it's too late.
- [101:40]
C
Yeah, Before Brad gets too late.
- [101:43]
A
He's gonna be like, he's 62.
- [101:46]
B
There is a world for him to be, like, off out of the car. I mean, he could be in the movie and sell it. And it could be Damson versus he.
- [101:51]
A
Could be the guy who runs the team?
- [101:53]
C
Yeah, he could be the guy who runs the team. Or if they want to make Damson. Because Damson, to me, has a trajectory that's out of this world.
- [102:01]
A
Like a trajectory Creed franchise for Damson.
- [102:04]
C
Something like that for Damson. And it's perfect for him because he's English and it's a cosmopolitan worldwide sport.
- [102:11]
A
God forbid he was not English.
- [102:13]
C
Who? Damson.
- [102:14]
A
Yeah, God forbid.
- [102:15]
B
We gotta win the Americans.
- [102:17]
A
Yeah.
- [102:18]
B
It's just a bigger thing for them, like, for British.
- [102:21]
A
Can we get some more wins in America?
- [102:22]
C
Here. Sonny won. He won.
- [102:25]
A
The same with actors. UK people taking our parts.
- [102:30]
C
Okay. Oh, that part.
- [102:31]
A
I agree with you. That's what I mean.
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B
When I saw that Spielberg trailer and it was like Blunt and Josh o' Connor pretending to be American, I was.
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A
Like, fucking had it. 50 states can't be. It only gajillion people here.
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C
It only bothers me. And we've had this conversation. It only bothers me when it's like. Like, I don't know, fucking David Yellow. Ol played Martin Luther King Jr. And then if it's like Daniel Kaluuya played Fred Hampton. All of these guys are fantastic brothers, great actors. But we do need at some point coming up now, like, Leroy Jenkins Jr. Is Jesse Jackson. We do need at least one, like Cynthia Erivo, Harriet Tubman. Everybody is the same. No separation. We all cool. We're together. But just give me, like, Darius Washington is mega Everest. Just give me one. All right. Like, just. I need one. Jalen Thomas, just one of them. You know, Colman Domingo did Bane, Rust and all of that. So that's the only thing. For a while, I was getting a little spooky out there.
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A
Okay, let's take our corners back.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Come on, guys. Thanks to Gahao. Thanks to Craig, who's not here today. Thanks to Eduardo. Thanks to Eduardo.
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B
Yeah.
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A
That was our Last 1 of 2020.
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B
Do you want to tease what the next thing is? The.
- [103:50]
C
No.
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A
Well, we have a special episode next week. I don't want to tease it, though. What do you think? What was the best movie we did in 2025?
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B
The best movie?
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A
Or what was the one you're the happiest we did?
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C
Well, I'd have to think about it.
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B
I mean, honestly, it's like recency bias, but high fidelity.
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C
I was good.
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A
Interesting.
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B
Yeah.
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A
That was because of Mahoney. Oh, I forgot to give him the hottest take.
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B
Rob Mahoney? Yeah.
- [104:17]
A
Yeah. He turned the whole grunge Grunge universe against him.
- [104:21]
C
That take pissed a lot of people I know off.
- [104:23]
B
I like Jaws too.
- [104:24]
C
I I For me, my favorite one, just because the movie is just crazy. It's Halloween 2. 2. Halloween 2 is nuts.
- [104:34]
B
Like the guy getting hit by the car.
- [104:37]
C
So hysterical.
- [104:38]
A
That was really fun.
- [104:39]
C
Halloween 2 is nuts.
- [104:40]
A
Die Hard 3 was fun. We did a lot of good ones this year. All right. Thanks, Van.
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C
Thanks, Crazy.