‘Ghostbusters’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

Summary

The Rewatchables — ‘Ghostbusters’ (1984)

Host: The Ringer Podcast Network
Panelists: Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Van Lathan, Craig Horlbeck
Date: April 28, 2026

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Overview:

This episode of The Rewatchables dives into the 1984 supernatural comedy classic Ghostbusters. Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Van Lathan, and Craig Horlbeck revisit the movie’s enormous cultural impact, its unique blend of comedy and sci-fi, the SNL roots of its cast, and its enduring legacy as a pop-culture phenomenon. The crew debates casting what-ifs, explores why the movie still “works,” and does a full Rewatchables-style breakdown of favorite scenes, categories, and nitpicks, all while channeling their nostalgia for a legendary era in Hollywood moviemaking.

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Main Themes and Purpose

• Dissecting what makes Ghostbusters a cornerstone of '80s pop culture and comedy
• Celebrating its blend of childlike wonder and adult humor
• Revisiting the cultural, marketing, and stylistic choices that helped the film become an enduring phenomenon
• Considering casting alternate histories and the franchise’s later installments
• Debating its strengths, weaknesses, and place in broader film history

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Ghostbusters as Eighties Monoculture

[02:16] Chris Ryan: Lists the eight biggest pop culture movies of the ‘80s and places Ghostbusters high among them:

“Empire, Raiders, ET, Jedi, Beverly Hills Cop, Ghostbusters, Back to the Future, and Batman.”

• Ghostbusters as the perfect blend of “childlike wonder and adult humor”
• The film’s role in the “monoculture,” akin to Madonna, Prince, and Bruce Springsteen
• Its ability to appeal across generations:
  • [03:54] Van Lathan: "The way I view and think of New York, a lot of it oriented and created by this movie."

2. The '84 Zeitgeist and Pop Culture Impact

[05:26] Chris Ryan recalls the perfect viral-style marketing:

“They put out that no ghosts thing that was... almost like viral marketing. And then they had the mtv, the Ray Parker song, and they had a great video... It was on all summer.”

• Crossover across Halloween, Christmas, and massive merchandising
• Comparison to modern films (e.g., Project Hail Mary): Not the same “legs” or costume impact
• As Van Lathan notes: "Everything is novel in the movie." [06:55]

3. Originality and Effortless World-Building

• The Proton Packs, Ghostbusting-as-a-job, and the hotline — all “new” for 1984
• Minimal exposition on lore and mechanics:
  • [08:34] Chris Ryan: “Even the way they talk about crossing the streams, they're just like, it would be very bad... There's no five minute exercise.”
  • [08:40] Van Lathan: "What the movie does is it puts a lot of faith in its performers."

4. Family Viewing, Multi-level Humor, and the ‘80s Ambience

• Generational watching: adults and kids getting different things from the same scenes
  • [11:58] Bill Simmons: "My parents cracking up at the scene with the mayor... and I was like, I don't get it."
• The “for everyone” nature of comedies vs. today's more segregated tone
• The ghosts themselves: sometimes scary and serious, but always leavened with comedy

5. Bill Murray’s Dominance and Cast Chemistry

• Bill Murray as comedy’s leading man and the movie’s “center of gravity”
• Dan Aykroyd as the “sidekick” — best when part of a pair
  • [10:17] Van Lathan: “We were in an era at that particular point to where the comedic talent was so overwhelming... they would funny your scene, they would funny the scene.”
• Rick Moranis’s scene-stealing as Louis Tully

6. The Ghostbusters Franchise and Sequel Shift

• Ghostbusters II as an early franchise “money grab,” marking the cultural tone shift
  • [16:53] Van Lathan: “They franchised it... by the time [of the sequel]... the infrastructure for blockbuster films wasn’t quite there yet. It was getting there and we weren’t as cynical about it.”
• Comparison to other blockbusters: Batman, Jurassic Park, etc.

7. Iconography, Cultural Permanence, and Enduring Appeal

• The logo, firehouse, Ecto-1, marshmallow man, and jumpsuits are “indelible pop culture symbols” ([62:47] Bill)
• Continued relevance and popularity as Halloween costumes, in advertising, and pop culture memes
• The synergy of music, marketing, and film (Ray Parker Jr. theme, MTV video)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On the Movie’s Endurance

"This is a story about monoculture. I don't know anybody who doesn't like Ghostbusters..."
— Bill Simmons [03:05]

“When you watch him work... you’re like, holy shit, this guy could've run for office.”
— Bill Simmons on Bill Murray [18:58]

"This is like legal ecstasy. You watch this, you're like, God damn. It was just the best."
— Bill Simmons on the Ray Parker montage [48:17]

On Nostalgia and the ’80s

“Everything felt really authentic back then. They hadn’t really put the thought into: ‘we have this coming, here’s how we’re going to shape the perception of it...’ Things just kind of happened, and it was cool to be there for that.”
— Chris Ryan [15:18]

“The ethos of New York is a character of the movie. It seems like a story that could only take place in New York.”
— Van Lathan [62:32]

Casting What-Ifs

“If you have Murphy in there... I just think it starts to blot out the sun a little bit.”
— Bill Simmons on Eddie Murphy as a Ghostbuster [37:29]

“The movie is oriented around the comedic tone and stylings of Bill Murray and Eddie Murphy does his comedy in a different way.”
— Van Lathan [40:50]

On Comedic Structure

"This movie works... there are like a hundred lines where I'm like, oh, that is actually now just something I say."
— Bill Simmons [31:17]

"The script is mostly structure and exposition and a lot of the dialogue is like Murray cooking."
— Dan Aykroyd, as paraphrased by Bill Simmons [66:28]

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Detailed Breakdown with Timestamps

Ghostbusters in Pop Culture

02:16–05:56 — The movie’s place among ‘80s juggernauts, pop culture saturation, and the earliest viral marketing
06:55–08:40 — "Everything is novel" – New concepts, devices, and world-building
13:12–14:03 — Designed to be universally appealing, not exclusively “for kids,” but with no “random ‘80s tits” or excessive profanity
35:07–36:18 — Ray Parker Jr. theme song’s creation, and its legal clash with Huey Lewis

Bill Murray’s Reign and Cast Chemistry

10:17–11:23 — SNL alumni dynamics: Bill Murray as scene-dominator, Aykroyd as second banana
29:23–30:37 — Murray’s all-time run, comparisons to other star-laden comedies, unique chemistry

Favorite and Rewatchable Scenes

43:54–46:47 — Breakdown of most rewatchable scenes:

• ESP card scene
• Library sequence
• Ghostbusters TV commercial
• Ray Parker Jr. montage
• Rick Moranis’s party
• The “Are you the Key Master?” scene (51:36)

47:50–48:17 — Montage segment regarded as “the serotonin hit” or “legal ecstasy” for ‘80s nostalgia

55:01–56:33 — Stay Puft Marshmallow Man finale and comic timing of Aykroyd’s guilt for conjuring him

56:34–57:19 — Opening scenes — putting ghosts, not humans, first (“star of the movie is the ghosts”)

Key Categories and Fun Debates

62:47–67:38 — What’s aged the best:

• The logo, gear, and merchandising
• Use of real brands and New York landmarks
• Almost no unnecessary backstory or “superhero origin” exposition

71:58–74:41 — Weakest link in the film? Panel debates whether Ernie Hudson’s Winston character is underwritten or essential everyman grounding

86:48–88:41 — Hottest Take segment

• Bill: Ghostbusters is “the best movie to ever come out of Saturday Night Live.”
• Van: “What right do the Ghostbusters have to put ghosts in jail?”
• Chris: Kathleen Turner could have taken the Dana Barrett role to another level

94:20–95:53 — Casting what ifs

• Chevy Chase, Michael Keaton, Tom Hanks, Robin Williams in contention for Venkman
• Goldblum for Egon
• John Candy for Louis Tully

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Highlighted Rewatchables Categories

Apex Mountain

• Bill Murray: Possibly the apex of his comedy reign
• Dan Aykroyd: Career-defining moment; also franchise’s de facto custodian
• Ghostbusters branding: Jumpsuits, Ecto-1, logo, proton packs became instant icons
• Ghost movies: Set a new bar for supernatural comedies

Dion Waiters Award (Best Scene-Stealer):

• Rick Moranis as Louis Tully; panel debates whether he’s eligible on technicalities, but generally agree his performance is legendary

Picking Nits

• Dana’s apartment is “too nice” for a classical musician
• The city’s disaster response handled only by four fired professors
• Only one scene for Winston to connect emotionally with the audience

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Notable Rankings & Lists

• Top '80s "Dick" Actors (Van):
  1. William Atherton (Ghostbusters/Die Hard/Real Genius)
  2. James Spader
  3. William Zabka
  4. Paul Gleason
  5. Thomas F. Wilson (Biff from Back to the Future)

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Final Thoughts & Who Won the Movie

• Who Won:

  • Bill Murray as Venkman (“If somebody was like, Why do you think Bill Murray's funny? I'd show them Ghostbusters.” — Craig [119:05])
  • Ivan Reitman for his tight, actor-first directorial approach and franchise management
  • The camaraderie and chemistry of the cast (“Friends making movies together… what's aged the best.” — Craig [119:58])

• Overarching Sentiment: Ghostbusters is a lightning-in-a-bottle type of film, rising above messy or accidental creative genesis to become one of the most universally loved and enduring comedies of all time. Its seamless mix of wit, scares, and spectacle, powered by an off-the-charts ensemble, makes it perhaps the definitive SNL-adjacent movie and an 80s American classic for the ages.

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Essential Timestamps for New or Casual Listeners

• 02:16: Eight biggest ‘80s movies — where Ghostbusters fits
• 03:54: Why does Ghostbusters still work so well?
• 08:34: How the movie trusts its cast and skips over-explaining
• 35:07: The story behind “Ghostbusters” theme song and legal controversy
• 47:50: Serotonin-hit ‘80s montage sequence
• 62:47: What’s aged the best (iconography, products, style)
• 71:58: Weakest link in the movie? (Panel debate over Winston)
• 86:48: Hottest take award
• 94:20: Casting what ifs
• 119:05: Who won the movie?

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Ghostbusters’ special sauce? Maybe it’s what Chris Ryan called “putting on an old, comfy sweatshirt that you’ve had forever… It just feels so good.” [03:41] And 42 years later, it still does.

Transcript

[Bill]

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[Van Lathan]

There you go.

[Chris Ryan]

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[Van Lathan]

A bunch.

[Chris Ryan]

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[Bill]

Let's hear it.

[Chris Ryan]

Just by year. I'm not ranking these. Empire, Raiders, ET Jedi, Beverly's Cop, Ghostbusters, Back to the Future and Batman. Those are the eight biggest movies. By how much money they made, what they meant to pop culture, just how huge this is.

[Bill]

You ranking them or did you get

[Chris Ryan]

this as I'm not ranking, I'm just putting that in order from 1980-89. I think those are the eight and I thought Top Gun would be in there, but it just didn't make as much money as these movies made huge money. They changed the lives of the people that were in them. They infiltrated pop culture for months and months and I think that's the list. So why this movie? Cr.

[Bill]

I mean for seven year old me this was the most important thing in the world. Like 84. I don't even think I had a relationship to Saturday Night Live. But this is the perfect mixture of childlike wonder with, like, adult humor. And so you're watching this movie and you get. When you're a kid, you get, like, 25%, 50% of the jokes, maybe. But there's just something about Murray and the tone that you're like, I'm mesmerized by this, as well as the ghosts and the marshmallow man and everything else. So this was, to me, I mean, this is like a story about monoculture. This is a story about, like, I don't know anybody who doesn't like Ghostbusters. I don't know anybody who doesn't like Madonna, Prince, and Bruce Springsteen either. It's like 84. We just made stuff that, like, everybody was kind of like, yeah, it's pretty good, or great, or I love it, or I'm obsessed with it.

[Chris Ryan]

It was funny rewatching it. It's just like putting on, like, an old, comfy sweatshirt that you've had forever. You're like, oh, I love when I put this on. It just feels so good.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Just love this. That's what it's been for 42 years,

[Van Lathan]

you know, I was watching a movie, and about 20 minutes into it, like, I. I started to feel so good about the experience that I was having that I tried to, like, sit up for a second, take a step back and go, why is this happening? Like, why does this movie still work like this on me? And I don't know. I wish I could have come up with an answer. Bill Murray makes me feel at home. Dan Aykroyd and Bill Murray together. Magic ghosts in New York. The way I view and think of New York, a lot of it oriented and created by this movie.

[Craig]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Like, I can't explain why it's still so perfect for me, but it did not lose one step.

[Bill]

You were a little bit older when it came out. So was there any cynicism about it for you? Or is there. What's your relationship?

[Chris Ryan]

No, it was the opposite. I was. I was thinking back to 84. We had no. No MCU. Really. We had a couple Superman films.

[Van Lathan]

No MCU. Really. There was no MCU. Doesn't exist.

[Chris Ryan]

But with DC comics. Not really. They were all either on TV or comics.

[Bill]

Pre Batman. We haven't.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, there was Flash Gordon. Oh, for Alien movies, we had, like, E.T. but at that point, Murray and Aykroyd are comedy royalty from snl. From the first five years of the show. You have that. You have. Everyone kind of knew this was a Belushi movie. And then he died.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

So that. That kind of put that on the radar a little bit. And then they really, really promoed it in the perfect way because they put out that no ghosts thing that was

[Van Lathan]

out like, I ain't afraid of no ghosts.

[Bill]

Well, it's a symbol.

[Chris Ryan]

You didn't even know what it was.

[Van Lathan]

With the slash through, they did like,

[Chris Ryan]

almost like viral marketing. And then they had the mtv, the Ray Parker song, and they had a great video, great video. And it was on for that whole summer. But this was summer of 84, which was the Olympics in LA. It was the height of Michael Jackson and Springsteen and all these different things. Michael Jordan's about to be in the NBA and just pop culture was ready for this. So it was this and Beverly Hills Cop both in the same year, combined with a million other things.

[Bill]

And reading about the movie and, like, the way it was released and the way it was marketed was huge summer movie that then became what everybody dressed as for Halloween and then became a huge Christmas movie because people were giving each other toys. Ghostbusters toys for Christmas. So it essentially stretched through 3/4 of 84 of. Of people routinely going. And you think about, like, Project Hail Mary will probably make more money, I think, than Oppenheimer. They're projecting now.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. Oh, my God.

[Bill]

But Project Hail Mary is like kind of already out of the consciousness. Like it. I mean, people are going to see it and people dig it. And, you know, like, my wife only just saw it, but it's not like I don't think people are going to be dressed as Ryan Gosling from Project Hail Mary for Halloween. I think you'll probably see more Ghostbusters than you will that.

[Chris Ryan]

It was also just a really great idea for a movie. Everything is combined comedy ghost, but not scary ghost, but kind of scary. It's fun and it's New York City. It's worked.

[Van Lathan]

Everything is novel in the movie. Like, everything is something that we kind of hadn't seen before.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

We hadn't really seen the proton packs. We hadn't seen, like, we hadn't seen paranormal guys fighting ghosts in this way with a hotline. Everything is brand new. Which is a problem that we run into now is we compare movies in the age that we're living in right now to movies of the past, and we just forget that. Like, we've seen a lot of shit. Like, we've seen a lot of stuff.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

The reason why Sinners worked so well for a lot of people is because that was kind of not in plot, obviously. The Plot was a little derivative, but that was kind of some shit that we hadn't quite seen before.

[Chris Ryan]

You talk about original IP movies, Original

[Van Lathan]

IP movies, but even beyond that, forget about that. I'm talking about, like, this movie. We're talking about, like, Gozer and, like, Zu and these ancient demons that they're fighting. Ghosts taking over New York. They're doing all of this, but to your point, they're not doing it. Like, seriously, they're never really. They're scared, but they're wisecracking their way through it.

[Chris Ryan]

They fall into a sinkhole and you don't feel like they're.

[Bill]

Any chance they die, but it's like,

[Chris Ryan]

oh, yeah, they'll get up this movie.

[Bill]

I mean, I have this for later and stuff, but, like, we should talk about now. Like, the way that they tell this story is completely different than the way they would do it in 2026. And it was completely different than the way that the sequels kind of worked out, where they're spending way too much time explaining the sort of paranormal mechanics of a lot of the stuff, or the history or the cult history of this, the occult history of the stuff. This is just kind of like, yeah, it goes to the Gozerian, the Traveler, the Go, the Key Master, the Gatekeeper.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, they can't meet. Something bad will happen.

[Bill]

Even the way they talk about crossing the streams, they're just like, it would be very bad.

[Chris Ryan]

Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. There's no five minute exercise.

[Van Lathan]

We're gonna get to this. Like, they do all of this stuff. Do you know how many questions the audience would have now? They build the containment center, and we talk about that later. It's like, they say it's a nuclear reactor in the middle of what essentially is, like, Tribeca or something. It's like all of this stuff, what the movie does is it puts a lot of faith in its performers. They explain the bigger stuff and they leave the smaller stuff. They just let it linger.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

It was fun reliving it through my kids when they got to the right age to watch this, which is probably like six or seven. It's not like that scary. It's. There's no sex stuff. It's scary in the right ways. You're not going to have nightmares a night. It's funny. It's not like subversive sexual humor Funny.

[Bill]

Yeah, barely any. It's just. Except for the.

[Chris Ryan]

It's not even like a lot of, like, great jokes. It's just more. The people seem really funny.

[Bill]

Well, there's Not a lot of gags.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. There's not a lot of one liners and gags.

[Bill]

Well, I would just.

[Chris Ryan]

Well, there's a lot of one liners that come out of the movie, but they're not like well written. Gag, gag, gag, punch.

[Bill]

No. It's like Murray commenting on the absurdity of being Ghostbusters throughout the movie.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Once again we got to a place in comedies where comedies had to be really high premise. They had to be really high premise and you had to keep coming back to that premise over and over again. 40 year old guy never had sex. The jokes just write themselves. Every other scene you can have a joke.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

We were in an era at that particular point to where the comedic talent was so overwhelming. If you're talking about Bill Murray or Eddie Murphy where you could take one of those guys and put them in a situation and they would funny your scene, they would funny the scene.

[Chris Ryan]

That's basically what Aykroyd said. He's like, we just needed to put him in the place to succeed. This was the best comedy leading man in the world. Aykroyd was really good as the sidekick. Probably Trading Places was the closest where he came to being the co lead like that. But anytime he tried to veer out on his own with Dr. Detroit or something like that, he couldn't really carry it. He was always better in a role like this. And I have a lot of thoughts

[Van Lathan]

about it's a great outdoors. Another one where it's him and Candy and they're going back and forth.

[Chris Ryan]

He always needed like a foil. And then when he hits the 90s, he becomes more of like the Tommy boy type. Like he pops into movies. What's your relationship with this movie, Craig?

[Craig]

I mean, obviously something that everyone knows and everyone loves and every kid loves. I saw it when I was really young, have not seen it since. But yeah, it's just like one of those cultural staples that has always been around.

[Bill]

But you didn't find it to be like a kids movie when you were watching it, like just this time?

[Craig]

No, definitely not. I think that's the difference with a lot of comedies back then is it used to be for everyone and now it's like, is it a kids movie or is it not? Because a lot of the jokes I would not have gotten when I was 8 years old. No, like most of them almost the

[Bill]

funniest thing, like, like the things that make me laugh now are so different than what made me laugh when I was seven.

[Van Lathan]

Did you guys ever watch movies like this with Your parents?

[Bill]

Sure.

[Van Lathan]

So that is something that all. That's an interesting experience. Cause now parents. I'm not a parent, but the sense that I get is that parents don't watch more adult oriented comedies with their kids as much as they used to. I don't know that, that, that's. But when I would watch Ghostbusters, my dad would laugh at the scene when she's possessed. He would laugh at that scene because that's a scene that a older, slightly nasty.

[Bill]

Sexual innuendo.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, it's a sexual innuendo. He would be like, look, she said get inside. But he not gonna do it. Cause she got a demon. He can't do it. She got a demon in her. And so like the whole. That is how I learned that I was supposed to find that funny.

[Chris Ryan]

Right?

[Van Lathan]

Like, I knew that, like there was a joke being made there that I didn't get. And I watched it. I understood it by watching adults react to it.

[Bill]

I remember my parents cracking up at the scene with the mayor. And not just because of dogs and cats living together, but just because of like Ed Koch stand in negotiating with the Ghostbusters and the Cardinal archbishop's there and the chief of police. And they were cracking up at this guy letting the Ghostbusters do whatever they wanted because of Venkman pointing out, you'll have saved the lives of millions of registered voters. And they were like hysterical about it. I was like, I don't get it. It seems like the Ghostbusters made a compelling argument.

[Craig]

Do you. I don't even. Do you think Dan Aykroyd and Bill Murray and Ramis would have said that we are making a kids movie as they were writing the film? I would say no, they wanted.

[Chris Ryan]

They were trying to make a huge comedy because it used to be you

[Craig]

would make a comedy for adults, but you would have elements in it that kids would like. And now it's. You make a comedy for kids and you have elements in it that adults

[Bill]

will like, but adults can stomach.

[Craig]

Like Zootopia has adult humor in it, but it is a kid's movie first.

[Van Lathan]

There is one thing in this movie that lets me know that they at least had a thought that kids would be into it, is that there are no random 80s tits that pop up in the movie anywhere.

[Bill]

Sure, we'll get to that.

[Chris Ryan]

And they took some of that. They took some of that other stuff out. Like there was like bad writing on the walls that they decided to change.

[Craig]

And just like the animation of the ghosts, like the guy, the like cute green Ghost eating all the food. Like that is a kid's movie. Did they curse the movie?

[Bill]

He's like, not really.

[Van Lathan]

Not really. Not really. So. But the movie is scary at times. Like demons turning into stuff. Like, the movie is at times, like, serious.

[Chris Ryan]

I think it's scary when they're on the top floor of that building when the. Basically the building's been blown out, and it feels like they could go off the side of the. Either side also. It's just kind of harrowing.

[Bill]

It's just so funny that, like, they're like, no nudity, no profanity. These guys can change smoke, right?

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, my God, there's so much smoker in this. Going back to 84, I wrote a piece, I think it was like my second or third year of page two, that I thought 1984 was the greatest year ever for people like us with the sports, the pop culture. So you had Beverly Hills Cop, Ghostbusters. You had Purple Rain and the Terminator. So you had Arnold's entrance. You had Sixteen Candles and Karate Kid laying the template for the 80s teen movies. You had the peaks of Springsteen, Michael Jackson, Prince and Huey Lewis. And you also had, in February, Billie Jean at Motown 25. Probably the single greatest television moment of my lifetime. Hulk Hogan wins WWE title. Jordan joins the NBA, and Marilynieu joins the NHL. We had the first Bird Magic, NBA Finals. We have McEnroe, Gretzky, Bird, and Montana in their absolute primes. We had the peak of Big east basketball. We have a Thursday NBC with Cosby Show, Cheers and Family Ties. We have the start of Miami Vice. We have Letterman breaking through the first slam dunk contest. Madonna's arrival. Flutie wins the Heisman. Tom Hanks makes the leap. Howard Stern and the 84 Olympics with no Russians. I could keep going.

[Bill]

And going is this Villanova, Georgetown.

[Chris Ryan]

That was 85.

[Bill]

85.

[Chris Ryan]

But we do have Patrick Ewing and georgetown. There's like 40 other things I could put in there, but it just felt like. I can't explain it, but everything felt really authentic back then. They hadn't really put the thought into, we have this coming. Here's how we're going to shape it. Here's how we're going to shape the perception of it. Here's how we're going to promote this. Like, Ghostbusters is a summer movie that it just came out. It wasn't like summer movie season has begun. With Ghostbusters, things just kind of happened, and it was cool to be there for that and watching people slowly figure out how to commercialize a summer like that and all the things that happen was really interesting in real time.

[Bill]

Yeah. I mean, some of this is like all our origin story, and we probably mythologized that time period and some extent.

[Chris Ryan]

But you were seven and I was 15.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

You know, so it was two different stages in the middle for you.

[Bill]

I think that there's something about, like, the way that culture worked back then, maybe because it was like they were freely first starting to see a new level of how much money they could make. But even if you think back to the pop stars that we were being given, that was such an interesting mix of people and, like, sexual identity.

[Chris Ryan]

Prince, Michael Jackson.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Huey Lewis. And Madonna.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

And Bruce Springsteen.

[Van Lathan]

So even when Ghostbusters 2 comes out. Right. Ghostbusters 2 is a reaction to the new culture that we are in. Big song by Bobby Brown. Right. Bobby Brown is in the movie. It's. It's almost a meta commentary on the Ghostbusters and stuff.

[Bill]

They franchised it.

[Van Lathan]

They franchised it now by the time

[Chris Ryan]

and felt like they had to get it out before Batman.

[Van Lathan]

The whole nine.

[Chris Ryan]

It's a different spirit.

[Van Lathan]

Already changed because, like, everything that we're talking about are people that, like, came along in the era. And it's not. I'm not waxing poetic about it because the talent doesn't exist now to do this same stuff. It was just the first time we had seen some of this stuff. It was the first time the infrastructure for blockbuster films wasn't quite there yet. It was getting there and we weren't as cynical about it. There wasn't like a tie in to McDonald's or like, all of that stuff hadn't been established yet. And so now I actually credit the creativity of contemporary artists because they are really going up against some dogs, some legends.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Like, just some people that were really, really, really unique in their approach and their creativity.

[Chris Ryan]

We weren't cynical about anything in 1984. I just, like, believed. Whatever. It's like Michael Jackson, big ladies, man. It's like. Yeah, totally, I agree. But like, I remember Letterman. I. Letterman. This was like, probably the greatest Letterman year. And he was. I don't remember if it was 84, 85, but he would just fuck with people. And it was always, like, organic. Like, he had a bullhorn. He would go out the window and they're filming the Today show with Brian Gumbel and he has the bullhorn and he's just messing with them. And Brian Gumbel's getting mad and it's like, oh, he made Brian Gumball mad. And now it'd be like, just think of it the way that would be dissected now with social media and everything, where it's like, are they feuding? What's going on here? The history of Letterman versus Brian Gumball. And it's like, she wasn't like that. I miss it.

[Bill]

It's amazing to imagine these guys rolling through New York, and this is like. When you read the research about them, like, in New York City at the time, it's like they were.

[Chris Ryan]

They were like mayors.

[Bill]

They were the kings.

[Chris Ryan]

And, like, the crowd is from snl, right? Murray and Aykroyd are like these.

[Bill]

But even then, I bet you're starting to get, like, everybody's got, like, this legendary. Like, I was out and Bill Murray came into the bar at 145.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Bill]

With a Mardi Gras parade and like, you know, like these fucking, you know, complete urban legends. But, like, it's starting to build up. And when you watch him work, whenever he's, like, working the crowd in this movie, you're like, holy shit. Like, this guy could have run for office.

[Chris Ryan]

The closing credits are phenomenal.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

It's like, one of my favorite parts. They're just in New York City, and

[Van Lathan]

in New York, everybody. The cameras, all different parts of New York culture. They're covered in half. Stay pushed.

[Chris Ryan]

Marshmallow.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Film getting into the car, smoking. Still another hard day at the work for the. It almost becomes like a documentary at the end of the day.

[Chris Ryan]

Dude, they shut down New York. They shut down Times Square. They shut down all around Central park

[Van Lathan]

for days and years.

[Bill]

Out of Rockefeller.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. People were like, this is cool. Murray and Aykroyd, leave him alone. They're doing a movie. I just think it was just different back then because we almost, like, didn't know any better. And I think that Ghostbusters 2 is a really good way to frame this. It's only five years later, but by the time that comes out. And there was a bunch of other sequels, some of them we've talked about, like, we talked about another 48 hours. But, like, a bunch of the sequels that came out late 80s, early 90s were just money grabs a little fatter

[Bill]

and doing it a little bit more against their will.

[Van Lathan]

Even by the time we get to Batman, Batman is an interesting case study in what it is that we're talking about. Batman is a swing, no doubt about it. The character itself is very well known, obviously, in American pop culture, but Tim Burton at that time is an auteur. Auteur and to give him that type of deal. It's a swing. It's like not the safest thing.

[Chris Ryan]

And Michael Keaton as Batman. Michael Keaton as Batman.

[Van Lathan]

It's a swing. It's not the safest thing in the world to do. However, though that movie is one of the first movies of that era that was primed to be a box office blockbuster.

[Chris Ryan]

With thought put into it.

[Van Lathan]

With thought put into it. They already knew that we were into the era of the blockbuster, that the 90s would be huge, huge, huge. They had already 89 when that comes out. All the lessons from the 80s have been learned. So while it's an 80s movie, they

[Chris Ryan]

knew there were sequels after that.

[Van Lathan]

They knew that they had planned out coming. They had everything. They had the tie ins, they had all of that stuff done. So it is very pure in what we're talking about. But at the same time it's a reaction to the movies that came out in the decade prior to it.

[Chris Ryan]

Last Crusade was a little like that too. Even though I like Last.

[Craig]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

But it felt very calculated with the attack.

[Bill]

It really kind of comes to a head with Jurassic because Jurassic is like, it's non negotiable. You're going to see this and you're going to love it.

[Chris Ryan]

There's dinosaurs.

[Bill]

There's already shit to buy before the movie even comes out.

[Chris Ryan]

Collector's cup.

[Van Lathan]

But can I tell you, the Last Crusade is actually a really good example because to me, it took a long time for that movie to be properly appreciated because of the way it was when it came out. And it was such a big deal. It was maybe the first event, but

[Bill]

they had like a Pepsi ad thing.

[Van Lathan]

They had the whole deal was a big corporate thing. And I think that that hurt. And they have Sean Connery in the movie. They actually cast somebody to be equally yoked to Harrison Ford in it. So it was a movie star vehicle, big summer event.

[Bill]

But there's stuff about Ghostbusters in the making of it that does kind of like project onto like even today where they're like, they have a release date before they have a script. You know, like they have, you know, like there are certain like parameters around this movie.

[Chris Ryan]

I think they knew Murray was like not knowing and they were like the last minute that he was doing it.

[Bill]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

I don't know. I miss it. I miss not knowing a lot about a movie. Like all we knew from this movie were a couple of commercials. We didn't have that whole infrastructure in place. But the stories about at anything like I know, we all approach this differently. I try not to know anything about a movie when it's coming out. Like, even when we went and saw Sinners, like, I don't think I 100% knew there were vampires or I knew something was going on or that it was going back to 19. There's something I didn't know about it because I had been so steadfast of avoiding everything but these. In 1984, this would just pop out. We knew Prince was making a movie.

[Bill]

Sure.

[Chris Ryan]

Knew that the video would come out kind of before the movie. And that was the first taste of it. Other than that, he didn't know anything. And it was kind of. The audience would decide. And that's how it went.

[Craig]

Now you have to know everything to get people to go to the theater.

[Chris Ryan]

Like Project Hail Mary. You think that was the case?

[Bill]

Yeah. I mean, they certainly reveal it was Gosling.

[Chris Ryan]

You knew Certain.

[Bill]

You knew he was gonna see the trailer. Gives away that he meets an alien out there.

[Craig]

A lot of movies tease the twist in the trailer now because they just need to sell as much as they can to get you off your ass to go into the theater. So they have to tell you basically

[Van Lathan]

what the whole story is because they're premise heavy. Because we don't have the same crop of stars that we used to.

[Craig]

Well. And Spielberg is doing the opposite with his current movie where he's not showing anything from the third act in the trailer. And it's a risk because that's why the trailer is not being.

[Bill]

I think that if you were watching three months of Ghostbusters trailer, if Ghostbusters was coming out now, you would have seen 65% of the good Bill Murray lines in trailers.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Bill]

So you would. You would have seen this chick is toast already. Right.

[Van Lathan]

I also think that, like, at that point, and I was. I don't have any memory of Ghostbusters when it came out. I don't remember a time when I didn't know Ghostbusters. Like, my relationship to Bill Murray on Saturday Night Live was me going back

[Bill]

and backwards through Ghostbusters. Me too.

[Van Lathan]

Backwards through Ghostbusters for whatever. Backwards through, like, whatever. The. The fucking film is like, me going, oh, my God, where does this guy get his start? And really, like, the Eddie Murphy. For me, the Eddie Murphy Saturday Night Live VHS was just a big part of my ability to, like, appreciate Saturday Night Live. Huh.

[Chris Ryan]

So I had Murray with the SNL reruns because they used to show them in primetime.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Meatballs, Caddyshack, Stripes, Tootsie and he would pop on Letterman every once in a while. But it was like, if that guy's in a comedy, I'm going, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Like, he is. You see his face and you go, time. Have a good time.

[Chris Ryan]

This is the piques. It's crazy. One of the. I didn't really fully realize this until we did the research. This movie was so big. Murray didn't do another movie for four years. Yeah, he, like, got freaked out by how powerful and enormous this became. And it made him rethink, like, everything. And Ackroyd wasn't really the same either.

[Bill]

He did Razor's Edge before Ghostbusters. That was supposed to be his. Like, here's my. Here's my serious.

[Chris Ryan]

I'm a serious actor as well. Ackroyd did Spies like US in 85 and Dragnet in 87. Pretty rocky after that, Reitman and Ramis. It worked out better for those guys, but it's pretty. You see this sometimes where something so big that people don't almost know what to do. Like, Leo did Titanic, and what did he make one movie in the next five years, the Beach. Did the beach, and that was it. Yeah. They're like, oh, post Blues Brothers. Aykroyd was fascinated by the supernatural and quantum physics and parapsychology, all this stuff. And he wanted to trap ghosts and do a movie with him and Belushi trapping ghosts. This was 1981, and he was inspired. I never saw these movies. Sean probably has them on 4K. Abner, Costello, hold that Ghost, Bob Hope, the Ghost breakers, the Bowery Boys, Ghost Chasers. So he wanted to do a comedy ghost movie, but have it rooted in actual research for how this stuff would work. Writing the Belushi scenes for the movie the day Belushi died, like, he tells that story in the Bob Woodward book and then had to audible to know he was going to do it. Was originally called Ghost Smashers. So he has this whole thing, shows it to Reitman. Reitman's like, this would cost a kajillion dollars.

[Bill]

And it was set in the future.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, it was set. He's like, can you put this in Earth? So they get Ramis and they pitch it. So this is why I get dubious of some of the casting what ifs. Because Reitman says he goes in, pitches this movie. It's gonna be the three of us. We're gonna rewrite it. They're gonna be the three Ghostbusters, Murray, Ramis and Ackroyd. And we're off. Then there's like, a hundred Casting what ifs. So I don't. We're gonna go to later. I don't know what to believe. So they rewrite the movie. They decide Ramis is gonna be the brains, Ackroyd's the heart, Murray's the. Murray's basically the wise ass. And they said it in New York City and we're good to go. Van done do it. And. And it's by the way, in the Horbeck Scale hour 45 right there.

[Bill]

Great.

[Chris Ryan]

I don't even know what I would cut. I think it's kind of perfect.

[Craig]

Yeah, I think anything in the hour 40 is fine just to.

[Bill]

Just to go back to something Van was saying a little bit. There's something different about this than Stripes and Beverly Hills Copy. To me, where Stripes and Fairly Hills cop feels like 1970s scripts that they were like, this has been kicking around. Or like we have an idea based on something that has already been done.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Bill]

What if Eddie Murphy was the cop? What if Bill Murray was the soldier? And what would we do with that? This feels new. This feels like something that's like. Like this and Back to the Future feel like movies that I'm like, I don't think they could have done this in 1976.

[Chris Ryan]

It's good to bring those together. Cause those Back to the Future is the next year. Yeah, those are the two where it's like. I'm sure when they were working on this, they were probably like, is this gonna work? Yeah, is this gonna work? But also, like, this might be massive.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Cause you have a feeling. Cause you're catching lightning in the bottle with some of the stars. But yeah, it's a good point.

[Bill]

But they both have, like, iconography where you're like, the skateboard and, you know, the inventing skateboarding, basically. Or like, you know, the ecto one and the jumpsuits in this where you're like, man, I just feel like these guys just. They got six or seven new things and six or seven things that are just 100 years old and solid, and they put them together to make something nobody had seen before.

[Van Lathan]

And the movie is very 80s. Like, I thought about things this time. She's a concert violinist.

[Bill]

Yeah. Cellist. Right?

[Van Lathan]

Like a cellist?

[Craig]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Like, she's a concert cellist.

[Chris Ryan]

And not really addressed or shown.

[Van Lathan]

Not really addressed or shown.

[Chris Ryan]

There's no rehearsal.

[Van Lathan]

But she. She is an artist. She is a woman about her times

[Bill]

that living in Central Park West.

[Van Lathan]

Living in Central Park West. Like, he walks into it and goes, a lot of space in here. She's a successful lady. Her entire independence is upended by the fact that she has an uninvited guest that she can't kick out, which is the ghost. So like it's almost zul. A meta commentary on like the 80s woman. Like all of the stuff that's happening in the movies. The movies is very 80s. It's very 80s because there's a cultural explosion that's happening around that time that the movie takes advantage of.

[Chris Ryan]

Murray is on an all time run that we mentioned. 79, 84, Meatballs, Caddyshacks, Stripes, Tootsie, Ghostbusters. I mean, Jesus, he's been living off that for 42 years. The guy can do no wrong. Aykroyd had Blues Brothers, he did neighbors and Dr. Detroit. Between trading Places and Trading Places, which if we're talking about all these like. And we've done a lot of them on rewatchables. Trading Places is just a kickass, conventional movie.

[Bill]

Yes.

[Chris Ryan]

With major stars. This movie is a kickass movie that had the chance to grow in a different way.

[Bill]

Well, you talk about the casting, what ifs. Like Trading places. There's. There's 10 versions of, of the two guys in Trading Places and nine of them with Charles Groen and De Niro or something like that. You know, like you could pick pairs and make a lot of those movies work. You could pick pairs and make 48 hours work. Maybe not on the level it does. Beverly Hills Cop. You could find a Detroit cop going to Beverly Hills. I don't know. You look at the casting. What ifs? Even if you just do a fake fantasy draft of like, who would you want as the four Ghostbusters? There's no way to top this. This is the Beatles.

[Van Lathan]

How much, how many digestible science fiction blockbusters have we had before this? Obviously Star wars was a gigantic everything.

[Chris Ryan]

Because like Alien wasn't a blockbuster.

[Van Lathan]

Right. I'm talking about Alien.

[Chris Ryan]

Aliens was a blockbuster, I think in 86.

[Bill]

Sure.

[Van Lathan]

Movies that deal in like paranormal. There's ghost stuff. This film has to play in middle America. Like, but it's a. It's a science.

[Chris Ryan]

Poltergeist, Close Encounters.

[Van Lathan]

Like those movies were like big films. I'm talking about like in this way, like for a comedy, for them to kind of do this version of it.

[Chris Ryan]

It's failed 100 times, right? Yeah, it usually doesn't work. And honestly, I'm not sure how this movie worked.

[Bill]

I think this movie works pretty crazy. Like when you go back through it, there are like a hundred lines where I'm like, oh, that is actually now just something I say with for by. And I forgot it came from Ghostbusters. Do you know what I mean? Like an aside that you make routinely.

[Chris Ryan]

Don't cross the streams actually became like pop culture. Yeah. People would just use that.

[Van Lathan]

That's.

[Craig]

Did that come from this movie? Yeah, like peeing. Crossing streams that don't cross the streams.

[Bill]

This.

[Van Lathan]

This entire movie is a piece of pop. Like the fact that myth busters. Something is called anything. Like, anything Busters is like this entire movie is just.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, there's a bunch of those with this Sigourney Weaver. Oh, what's. Actually, we'll take a break and then I got to talk about Sigourney Weaver. This episode is brought to you by McDonald's right now. McDonald's. You can get great deals all day with McValue. That's right. Jumpstart your day with the under $3 menu featuring a sausage McMuffin for just $1.50. Or grab the perfect lunch with the McDouble for just 250. Honestly, nothing pairs with a movie marathon like a McDouble in hand. Gotta love the McDoubles. Get even more value with McValue. Only at McDonald's. Limited time only. Prices and participation may vary. Prices may be higher for delivery. Sigourney Weaver fought for the part.

[Bill]

Smart.

[Chris Ryan]

They were like, you're a dramatic actress. You went to Yale. We're intimidated by you. You're six feet tall. And she's like, I'm really funny. You got to try me out. She does. From a ten year span. 79, 89. Alien, Ghostbusters. Aliens and Working Girl, which are four of the biggest movies of that stretch. She was also an eyewitness year. Living dangerously. Deal. The Century, Girls in the mist and Ghostbusters 2. Stealth case for winning the 80s.

[Craig]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

For female actions. For actresses. I don't know who. Who else is in there?

[Bill]

I'd have to see Meryl Streep's 80s.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Meryl Streep.

[Chris Ryan]

I don't think she had. She probably had. I don't.

[Bill]

Blockbusters.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Not Blockbusters. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

I think Melanie Griffith's probably in there.

[Van Lathan]

Melanie Griffith is in there.

[Chris Ryan]

But I think Sigourney has the best mix of like Blockbuster with like.

[Van Lathan]

She has block.

[Chris Ryan]

Meryl Streep has the gold.

[Van Lathan]

She has a. She has rom com. She has blockbusters, sci fi stuff. She has a pretty good.

[Bill]

Can I HEAR Diane Keaton's 80s?

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, Diane Keaton's 80s. That has like baby boom. I don't think she had it because some of it's from the 70s.

[Bill]

Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, it's tough. Well, we. We already figured out that Renee Russo won the 90s. A few podcasts to go. Congratulations. Just convincingly too. Just destroyed everything.

[Van Lathan]

What's her NBA comp. What's the. What's the really devastatingly effective championship winning NBA player that nobody remembers how good they were when they were on top of their game?

[Chris Ryan]

Sigourney Weaver.

[Van Lathan]

No, I'm talking about Rene Russo.

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, Renee Russo.

[Bill]

Oh, oh, Renee Russo was a problem. Highlight reel.

[Chris Ryan]

Like, like.

[Bill]

Yeah, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Hey, look.

[Chris Ryan]

Look at Renee Russo fans, like nine bangers.

[Van Lathan]

Nine bangers.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Not missing.

[Chris Ryan]

I think she's the second most rewatchables

[Bill]

library actress she might be.

[Chris Ryan]

I think it's. It's Meg Ryan and then her. Something like that. Yeah. So Sigourney and then Dave was the only other comedy she did, which ironically was with Ivan Redmond. But she had good timing. I don't know. There's. She's so tall. Like, if there's other actors that could have been in this that I think it would have been bad. I mean, just her is like a relatively tall guy.

[Bill]

Interactions with Moranis are like. They're just funny to look at together. Yeah. It's just. It's just like as soon as he comes out of his apartment, you're like, you gotta be kidding.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, it looks like Wemby with like, like Stephen Castle. Ray Parker's theme song. Do you have any Sigourney Weaver or you want to save it for later?

[Van Lathan]

I'll save it for later.

[Chris Ryan]

I love it. Okay.

[Van Lathan]

Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

I figured.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Ray Parker's theme song, number one for three weeks. The video is number one on mtv. Directed by Reitman, featured Chevy Chase, John Candy George, went Danny DeVito, Carly Simon. A million people. And everyone's dancing down the streets of New York City. And they closed Times Square, which they kind of stopped doing after the 80s. And I think Vanilla sky was like the last anything that got them.

[Bill]

Yeah, it's like you have to do it now at dawn. But they were probably like three, 3:45pm we're just going to shoot Ghostbusters.

[Chris Ryan]

So then it turned into this whole scandal with the Huey Lewis song.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

I want a new drug.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Which is a. What's age the worst for this movie because there's a lot of research on this. Like they wanted Huey Lewis to do the song. They put I want a new drug as the temp song in some of the early scenes. And then Ray Parker Had a week to write the song, and it really does sound like the same thing. So there's some mystery lawsuit that we've never heard.

[Bill]

I think Huey Lewis financially did okay.

[Chris Ryan]

I think he did okay.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Because he bounced back, like, the next year. He did the whole Back to the Future joint.

[Bill]

And, like, he had two albums that sold like 20 million.

[Van Lathan]

He was the man at that point.

[Chris Ryan]

You know what? I'm glad we have them both.

[Craig]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

It's like having Heather Thomas and Heather Locklear. We're all winners.

[Bill]

That's right.

[Chris Ryan]

Two really good songs.

[Van Lathan]

Right.

[Chris Ryan]

There's an incredible what if with this movie that we mentioned earlier about Eddie Murphy.

[Bill]

And there's a lot of competing journalism,

[Chris Ryan]

competing narratives about this. Ackroyd seems to be adamant that it was four Ghostbusters and Winston was going to be Eddie Murphy. And I. That one adds up to me more because they had just done Trading Places together as he's writing Ghostbusters.

[Van Lathan]

Also.

[Chris Ryan]

Why wouldn't you want Eddie Murphy in this movie?

[Bill]

But Reitman was like that. That wasn't the case.

[Van Lathan]

Right?

[Chris Ryan]

Rightman said, no, no. He was never a serious thing. But I almost felt like he was trying to be nice to Ernie Hudson.

[Craig]

Right.

[Chris Ryan]

I'm going to believe that they went hard after Eddie Murphy and I don't know why they wouldn't have.

[Van Lathan]

Of course.

[Chris Ryan]

And I think it adds up because he had relationships with Murray and Akroy. It's almost a new category. Craig, the Eddie Murphy and Ghostbusters award for biggest what if? Because if he's in this movie from the beginning, it breaks my brain. So you think it doesn't work?

[Bill]

It does not.

[Van Lathan]

Absolutely not. In no way, shape or form.

[Bill]

First of all, like, I, I.

[Chris Ryan]

Can we talk this out?

[Bill]

There's not enough. There's not enough screen for those guys all to be on screen together doing, like, this movie works because the other guys revolve around Murray.

[Chris Ryan]

Right.

[Bill]

If you have Murphy in there and they're like, let's give Murphy, like, three scenes where there's no script and he's just allowed to, like, cook. I just think it starts to blot out the sun a little bit. Like, I'm sure we would have clips that we were like, that's the fucking funniest thing I've ever seen. But you can't just, like, let Eddie Murphy cook at from the window.

[Chris Ryan]

So is this like A.J. brown and Jalen Hurts or A.J.

[Bill]

brown and Drake May.

[Van Lathan]

Wow. Yeah. It's. When Ernie comes into the movie, he does exactly what he's Supposed to do.

[Bill]

Exactly.

[Van Lathan]

He steadies the whole deal.

[Bill]

He's a little bit of skepticism.

[Van Lathan]

A little bit of skepticism. Little bit of realness.

[Chris Ryan]

Everyman.

[Van Lathan]

He's an everyman. Everybody else is all into this absurdist comedy, and he's the one. Like, I need my own lawyer. You know, he perfect. Eddie. You gotta let him win scenes. Or if you don't let him win, he's going to win them. So it just doesn't work. It's like that weird Lakers team where they had Nash and Howard and Gasol and all of those guys just not enough basketball and got a bad back.

[Chris Ryan]

You're the same person who thinks Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown can't play together.

[Van Lathan]

That's not what I said. So they play better. Brown's leading the team.

[Chris Ryan]

I'm. I'm zagging. I think they could have figured it out. I actually think the upside of the movie is higher and the downside is lower. I'm fine with where we landed because this became an iconic, awesome movie. Yes. It's really hard for me to believe that Eddie Murphy in 1984 wouldn't have improved the movie.

[Bill]

I don't think it wouldn't have. I don't think it wouldn't have. Improving is a weird thing. I just think it wouldn't be what it is. And I think there would be like, three scenes where you're like, holy shit. Like, I can't believe we didn't get more Eddie Murphy.

[Chris Ryan]

Eddie Murphy talking to ghosts. You're telling me. I'm not enjoying that in a movie theater.

[Van Lathan]

But okay, where's Eddie at in his career at this point?

[Chris Ryan]

Like, Eddie. Eddie has done 48 hours trading places, and he's doing Beverly's Cop that comes out the same year.

[Van Lathan]

Stuffing baby in the corner. You're not going to get. It's not.

[Chris Ryan]

It's not going.

[Van Lathan]

It's not going to work.

[Chris Ryan]

So he did a movie called Deal of the Century, ironically, where he's in. They basically filmed his scene. It didn't work. It wasn't a good movie. And he's in it. He kind of pops in and out. So he's like a star, but he's not a star. And I wonder if they did that for this, where he's in basically half the movie as like, they're bringing the firepower.

[Bill]

I mean, it would be like. It would be really funny if Eddie Murphy played Walter Peck. Oh, just like Richard Peck or Walter Peck.

[Chris Ryan]

No, Walter Peck.

[Bill]

Walter Peck. Like, if he just had, like, two scenes. Two scenes.

[Chris Ryan]

Well, It's a what if because he could have gone 48 Hours, Trading Places, Beverly's Cop and Ghostbusters in three years. That would have shut it down. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Too much.

[Bill]

That also would have been pretty funny to watch Eddie Murphy in Ghostbusters 2.

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, he would have done it. Yeah, he would have been available.

[Van Lathan]

Wow.

[Chris Ryan]

I'm surprised you guys weren't more receptive to this. You're really protective of the four Ghostbusters.

[Bill]

Well, to me, this is a perfect film. Like, I. I just think that, like, you start to mess with the. The notation of the music and it changes the tune a little bit.

[Chris Ryan]

Craig, would you have wanted Murphy in this?

[Craig]

I get what they're saying. I think it would have worked if maybe he had like a guest spot type role where he just came in and like Dion Waiters to two big scenes and then got out. I don't know if he could have been in the whole movie.

[Van Lathan]

Another thing, to me, the movie is oriented around the comedic tone and stylings of Bill Murray and Eddie Murphy does his comedy in a different way.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Craig]

Also, I think I always thought the Winston character, like, didn't make any sense. That felt like they were for. I feel like he didn't have a ton to do. To be honest. It felt like a token casting.

[Van Lathan]

Wow. Interesting.

[Bill]

You don't think so?

[Van Lathan]

You want us. We can't bust ghosts.

[Craig]

Put him in the beginning of the movie then.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Oh, so now you've.

[Bill]

He wants.

[Craig]

We just jammed him in there. He didn't have a ton to do.

[Van Lathan]

I got some stuff to say about that.

[Chris Ryan]

I have more of this later work

[Bill]

than we thought it was going to be.

[Craig]

It just felt like they bailed on that storyline.

[Bill]

I think it's a really nice. Like, we got to bring somebody off the bench in the middle of the movie.

[Van Lathan]

I think the reason why could have been Eddie Murphy. All right.

[Chris Ryan]

Funniest person alive in 1984.

[Bill]

I just thought we could go through, like, these movies that we're just like, you know what it be good is if Tom Cruz showed up to see us. Why can't Tom Cruz be the vampire in this case?

[Chris Ryan]

He really was supposed to be the fourth Ghostbuster.

[Bill]

Sure. And I think that at Ernie Hudson maybe sometimes acrimonious relationship to this movie, like, at various points where he's been like, well, the script, like, is a much bigger part in the script that I read. I wonder if that was for Eddie. I wonder if they wrote it thinking we might get Eddie.

[Chris Ryan]

All kinds of research on that with whether it Was a much bigger part that got cut down once they realized Ernie Hudson was in it or what was going on. This movie was nominated for two Oscars. Best song, best visual effects. Elmer Bernstein scored. Not nominated.

[Bill]

Very good, though.

[Chris Ryan]

We were. What's the horror back scale? 100 minutes.

[Craig]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

So we're plus five.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Craig]

That's fine though.

[Chris Ryan]

It's amazing.

[Craig]

If it's in the our 40s range, it's fine.

[Van Lathan]

Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

30 million dollar budget made. $298 million in 1984.

[Bill]

So adjusted. That's like a bill, right?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Second biggest film of 84. Biggest comedy ever at the time. Which lasted only a few weeks. And then Beverly's Cop took that number one for seven straight weeks. Kicked off the number one list by a little movie called Purple Rain. We still knew how to make things in America.

[Bill]

We sure did.

[Chris Ryan]

We fucking knew what we were doing in 1983.

[Van Lathan]

Terrify yourself.

[Chris Ryan]

It's like, sorry, Ghostbusters Prince is here.

[Bill]

I'm sure you're going to get to Raj in a second. I had a quote from just reading up about this that I thought really summed it up. Judd Apatow said, it really is a perfect comedy. It was all those people at the height of their powers. They had mastered their craft and made the film we dreamed they'd make. Movies like Ghostbusters made us want to make movies.

[Van Lathan]

No notes.

[Chris Ryan]

Raj went three and a half stars. See, he docked it a half star from Eddie Murphy. He said, rarely has a movie this expensive provided so many quotable lines. And he said ghostbusters is one of those rare movies where the original fragile comic vision has survived a multimillion dollar production.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Good way to put it.

[Van Lathan]

Yep.

[Chris Ryan]

Want to go to the scenes?

[Bill]

Let's go to scenes.

[Chris Ryan]

Mostly watchable. Is going to be interesting. Most rewatchable scene. Venkman working ESP with the two kids in favoring the blonde is so fudgeing funny.

[Bill]

Studying the. The effect of negative reinforcement on

[Van Lathan]

for five bucks.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. Do you know what movie that the guy was in in that scene? You didn't recognize him?

[Van Lathan]

I did.

[Chris Ryan]

You might be the only one who's seen this movie.

[Van Lathan]

What?

[Chris Ryan]

Actually CR might have. Christine.

[Bill]

Oh, yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

He was one of the two bad guys.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, he sure was.

[Chris Ryan]

He and that other guy. Buddy.

[Bill]

And Jennifer Runyon is the.

[Chris Ryan]

Is the woman Jennifer Runyon?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Beautiful hair.

[Chris Ryan]

I think Christine. One of the 10 worst movies I've seen. The most. It's really awful. Yeah. It's hard for me. I think I've seen it at least 20 times.

[Van Lathan]

I've seen a bunch, too. It's hard for me to view it as bad, but it's.

[Bill]

Those Stephen King movies back there then were kind of gamey.

[Chris Ryan]

I liked all of them.

[Bill]

I mean, Maximum Overdrive is still my dream rewatch.

[Chris Ryan]

Even Stephen King didn't like the Stephen King movies. And I'm like, sign me up, Cujo. Just be trapped in a car for 45 minutes.

[Bill]

Maximum overdrive. It's. Stephen King directed it while high on cocaine.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. Say no More stars.

[Bill]

Emilio Estevez is about machines taking over the world.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Wait a minute.

[Chris Ryan]

It's batshit.

[Van Lathan]

I did see this.

[Bill]

Yeah. And it said at a truck stop in North.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, I did see this. It's like, oh, no, I'm thinking of Repo Man.

[Chris Ryan]

I don't want to do Cocaine Month for the rewatch was. I want to do cocaine year. Just 52 movies where everybody was out of their mind.

[Bill]

It's 2028 leading into the presidential election. It's Cocaine Year.

[Chris Ryan]

Cocaine Year. Sponsored by State Farm. Next we watch, we'll see the fellas go to the library and get spooked.

[Bill]

My uncle thought he was St. Jerome.

[Chris Ryan]

This. A couple movies have done a really good job of nailing how creepy libraries are. The wrong kind of time of day of a big, sprawling library. You just feel like something awful could

[Van Lathan]

happen any place where they're supposed. Where there are a lot of people in it, but you are supposed to be quiet. Feels odd.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. Good point. Sigourney with the groceries, AKA Dana. We get the Ghostbusters commercial on tv. At this point, we are ready to believe. We're ready to believe. You really get special effects with the eggs. And I think we should have mentioned this at the top for 1984. Some of the special effects were excellent. Like, really good. Like, we have eggs frying on a counter and in 1984 going, wow. How are they doing that?

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Now it'd be like, you know, they could do anything.

[Bill]

One of the biggest picking knits of the entire movie to me still is a woman like Dana buying a giant bag of marshmallows.

[Chris Ryan]

Interesting. You think she was gonna make Rice Krispie treats or something?

[Bill]

Oh, like for her orchestra or something.

[Chris Ryan]

Like, I don't know if you're getting down.

[Van Lathan]

Anna.

[Chris Ryan]

Marshmallows.

[Van Lathan]

Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. Sexual food item.

[Bill]

He's appealing directly to you.

[Chris Ryan]

Try to sense Vance value sometimes. Yeah. I think she would have cleaned the eggs up.

[Bill]

Yes.

[Chris Ryan]

Those were on the counter for, like, two days.

[Van Lathan]

Well, she didn't want to clean them because she Was gonna go get the Ghostbusters to come back.

[Craig]

There's evidence.

[Bill]

That's true.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Venkman gets slimed in the banquet room. That's great. Actual physical contact.

[Van Lathan]

Save me some.

[Chris Ryan]

This is where we get the don't cross the streams. This is where we get the we came, We Saw, we conquered. He veers into Nick the lounge singer and Carl from Caddyshack a little bit. This is my favorite scene, my most rewatchable. Right after that, the most 80s movie montage you could possibly have. So good Ray Parker song kicks in. Huey Lewis. His lawyers immediately go to work. We get Roger Grimsley, the Live at five anchor in New York City.

[Bill]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Roger Grimsby. We get early Larry King. We get a USA Today ghost Fever Grips New York. We get Time Magazine, Omni in the Atlantic. We get the soothing sounds of Casey Kasem.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

We get the Joe Franklin Show.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

We get the Globe with a princess die expecting again. And this is clearly the Kid Cudi pursuit of Happiness. Best needle drop. But it just makes me so happy to watch this.

[Bill]

Yeah, this is. This is like the serotonin hit. This is like legal ecstasy. If you watch this, you're like, God damn. It was just the best.

[Chris Ryan]

The only thing missing was Pacino and cruising. Just dancing. Just dancing.

[Bill]

Leather jacket, chloroform. It kind of. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Maybe when we do the social clip, we could run the montage, but then work in Pacino in the leather outfit. Rick Moranis party.

[Van Lathan]

Love it.

[Chris Ryan]

Supposedly mostly ad libbed.

[Van Lathan]

He introduces people by their financial situations. They come in the door, has the blonde, who. I mean, I know he's pined over Sigourney Weaver and Sigourney Weaver looks better.

[Chris Ryan]

You like Gene Kasem, the blonde?

[Van Lathan]

I like that.

[Chris Ryan]

Little running cheers.

[Bill]

Casey's girlfriend. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Casey Kasem's wife Miranda's coming out and

[Bill]

going, hey, this is real smoked salmon from nova Scotia, Canada, 24.95 a pound. Only cost me $14.12 after tax, though. I'm thinking this whole thing as a promotional expense. That's why I invited clients instead of friends. You having a good time, Mark? How you doing? Why don't you have some breeds at room temperature? He's like fucking going, yeah. I was just like. He scores a hat trick in the first period.

[Chris Ryan]

What were his guys? Bob and. Bob and Dave.

[Bill]

Bob and Elaine.

[Craig]

Yeah.

[Bill]

They are like, wait, the one where

[Chris Ryan]

they come in and one cctv. He did all of the characters.

[Bill]

The. The brothers.

[Chris Ryan]

The brothers brothers, yeah. He's doing a combo of that. But there's a little Garth from Wayne's World in there too where he's kind of like talking on the side of his mouth. We didn't talk about Baranis. What's your relationship with him?

[Bill]

I obviously this limited by the fact that he doesn't do a ton after Honey I Shrunk the Kids.

[Craig]

Right.

[Bill]

He like basically disappears.

[Chris Ryan]

Kind of disappeared.

[Bill]

But this is a performance worthy of considering renaming the Dion Waiters Award after him.

[Van Lathan]

Going nuts. Absolute.

[Bill]

Like, he plays like two different characters in this. And they are both among the funniest things I've ever seen in my life. Him as Vince Clortho, him as Louis Tully and then Sneaky him as Louis Tully again at the end.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Bill]

Who does your taxes?

[Van Lathan]

Lovable and hilarious. Like, I don't know, man.

[Bill]

So come in and get a mineral water.

[Van Lathan]

Like you see him at first he's got to be in the scene where you see him. He's got to be a little bit of a pest. But he's gotta be lovable enough to where later on in the movie you're gonna feel like a sense of danger. Cause he's been possessed. You're gonna have to be happy.

[Chris Ryan]

Well, it seems like he dies when he goes against the window. It seems like that's it for him. And then he comes back.

[Van Lathan]

I think they just give him a scene where it's just like we have Rick Moranis in this movie. You know Rick Moranis. Let us show you how funny he is.

[Chris Ryan]

Honey I Shrunk the Kids was a massive movie. Do you know the premise of that, Craig?

[Craig]

Oh, I loved it as a kid.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. He was a major star.

[Van Lathan]

Major star. He does Little Giants. Little Giants is the last time I remember kid movie.

[Craig]

Yeah. I love Little Giants.

[Van Lathan]

He plays a straight man in that one a little bit.

[Chris Ryan]

Reminds me a little Joe Anderson. Didn't totally want it. Just liked his life.

[Van Lathan]

Oh my.

[Chris Ryan]

Didn't want to move to la. She's wanted to stay there.

[Van Lathan]

Just wanted to stay in Maryland, huh?

[Chris Ryan]

Like this. Raise the roof. Rick Moranis just liked his life.

[Craig]

I thought he got out of acting because his wife got sick or something.

[Bill]

I don't. I mean, I'm just saying, like he doesn't have like a million parts like my relationship. Randis is like, you made six great movies.

[Craig]

Is that right though?

[Bill]

I believe so, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Something he wanted to raise his kids and like all that.

[Chris Ryan]

Just, you know, next scene. Are you the key master, Sigourney? You want to do this now?

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

Absolute. Listen. Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

So I'M going to have a glass of water. All right, so look, what's.

[Bill]

What are we doing?

[Van Lathan]

We're just. We're asking.

[Chris Ryan]

That's.

[Bill]

Oh, yeah, that's Katherine Tramel.

[Van Lathan]

Okay. We're asking a question, though. We're asking a question. You knock on the door. She asks you the Key Master. You come in.

[Chris Ryan]

She Vance. Like, I am.

[Van Lathan]

Like. Yeah, that's what he did.

[Chris Ryan]

I am the Key Master, actually.

[Van Lathan]

And then you watch him go through that scene and he's a perfect gentleman. Venkman is a good guy because he comes off like a sleazebag in every other scene, but he knows that it's not her. He is a pre2 consent master is what he is. Venkman is. Venkman goes. Because he actually, he's playing it out. New stuff. He's like, oh, maybe. Why not? Why not? But he can't do it. This has been a question in my family for a long time.

[Bill]

Whether or not you take a shot at Possessed Dana.

[Van Lathan]

Take a shot at Possessed Dana.

[Bill]

Right there.

[Van Lathan]

Cause you don't know. Do you? Take a shot at it.

[Bill]

But you also don't know if your sexual sacrifice spares everybody this whole occult Gozer the Gozerian situation in the first place.

[Chris Ryan]

You also don't know what the sex is going to be like. I mean, that would be the big sticker for me. Yeah.

[Bill]

That gets into species territory.

[Chris Ryan]

That could. Yeah, that's.

[Bill]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

You're going into Natasha Hentridge in the hotel room level.

[Craig]

Can I do my flex now? Because it's related.

[Chris Ryan]

Let's do it, please.

[Craig]

The Mallory. This wasn't even in the doc because you didn't think anybody would bring this up. The Mallory. Rubin Award for. Did this movie need a better sex scene? It's not Weaver and Murray. It's Weaver and Moranis. We needed a Natasha Henstridge style on the roof. Yeah. Because he's the actual Key Master.

[Bill]

He is. And I think it's implied that they did. Oh, for sure.

[Craig]

We see him kind of in the afterglow. I wanted to. I mean, it can be like clothes on. That's fine. You can. No nudity. But I wanted to see her just because, like, just the physical difference between the two of them. I think that would have taken their relationship to the next level if we actually got to see her on top of him. Just tearing him down.

[Chris Ryan]

Wow.

[Bill]

It would have been amazing.

[Chris Ryan]

Wow. R rated Ghostbusters. Yeah. St. Craig, he's got it in there.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. It went the way it should have gone, though. You can't do it. She's possessed.

[Bill]

Can't do it.

[Van Lathan]

Possess.

[Chris Ryan]

Can't do it. There is no Dana. Only Zoo.

[Bill]

He pumps her full of Thorazine.

[Chris Ryan]

Next scene. The spirits get loose in New York City thanks to that asshole. Walter Peck just fucking unleashes everybody. Classic politician.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

That. I set you up for a follow up joke.

[Van Lathan]

I don't know what you want.

[Bill]

Classic politicians stuff.

[Chris Ryan]

I thought. Yeah, I thought. Here you go. It's fine. It's fine. The big ending I don't even know what to make of. Where do these stairs go? They go up.

[Craig]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

The choice is made. And they're all looking at it.

[Bill]

I'm excited to be a part of it.

[Chris Ryan]

Did you make a choice? The blown out building balcony which I mentioned makes me anxious. And then the whole Stay Puft marshmallowian thing just should not have worked.

[Bill]

Yeah. And it's amazing.

[Chris Ryan]

Aykroyd is great in that scene when they're like did you? Did you.

[Van Lathan]

And he's just like the thing that I laughed at this time was they go. You think about who you're. Whatever it is who's gonna bring up. And then they go, the decision has been made like right away because he's thinking about the Stay Puff Marshmallow Man. That's the comic timing of him not being able to clear his mind. Just hysterical. And then he right away knows that he's up and he checks out.

[Chris Ryan]

If it had been Van and he was. And it would have just been like a. A 100 foot Lisa Bonet from Angel Heart just walking through the streets of New York City.

[Van Lathan]

Was working on Defin fault.

[Craig]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

The.

[Bill]

Oh God.

[Chris Ryan]

That also has they finally decide they should cross the streams. Yes. Great idea. And then I mentioned the closing credits were just immense amount of fun. What do you have for us rewatch?

[Bill]

I have two. You didn't mention one. The first time Peter goes to Dana's apartment with the turkey baster.

[Van Lathan]

Yep.

[Bill]

And he's just like playing the piano. He's like love to torture him. It's Dr. Venkman Boys.

[Van Lathan]

That.

[Bill]

And then the jail. The jail scene where all the prisoners gather around.

[Craig]

Yeah.

[Bill]

Going into the mayor's office with. With Peck and I felt like that

[Chris Ryan]

was the Trading Places jail that they just shot it the same.

[Bill]

Just all the guys.

[Chris Ryan]

Same guys. Yeah. They just ran about.

[Bill]

Somebody's coming. But yeah. I mean like the whole thing when. When Peck and Venkman are squaring off in front of the mayor. But the real rewatchable scene is the Fame montage.

[Van Lathan]

So the open to me, the first thing you see are the ghosts. The movie sets. Up. Like what the actual star of the movie is. The first thing you see are the ghosts. Like, before you get to Venkman, it shows the library and you get the actual haunting. Cause it's gotta put you in the world. So I think that's very important. But you know what? I've always loved the first call. The first call they ever get, which is actually filmed in the Biltmore downtown la.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. But the first call they get where they're in there and it's slimer to me. That's my favorite scene of the movie.

[Bill]

When she's like, we got one.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, well, we got one. They go there and they're, like, actually using their equipment for the first time. It's like almost the Ghostbusters origin story scene. God bless you. That's my favorite scene in the movie.

[Chris Ryan]

We should probably go to the Biltmore and do like a whole video shoot. I feel like the Biltmore's come up in 12 rewatchables movies.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Did it just come up into living Die in LA or Am I crazy?

[Bill]

I think the Biltmore is where they do the. The guy jumping off the roof until they die in L. A.

[Chris Ryan]

Was it. Was that where they did the elevator?

[Bill]

That's the.

[Chris Ryan]

Or that was another.

[Bill]

That's in the line of fire. That is the elevator.

[Van Lathan]

When you go there, it's awesome because they obviously have all of those movies.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Up there. So you can see that they were shot there.

[Chris Ryan]

What's the most 1984 thing about this movie? I think the winner of this is the Ghostbusters montage. But I think we should talk about some other ones.

[Bill]

Larry King taking radio calls while smoking.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, Larry King, definitely.

[Bill]

This is actually where people ask, like, Chris, what's your ambition? And I'm like, I want Bill to give me a drive time call in radio show that I could smoke during.

[Van Lathan]

There you go.

[Chris Ryan]

Done.

[Bill]

You're live on drive time with Seattle AJ Brown.

[Chris Ryan]

What's up with that guy?

[Bill]

Chris, what's going on with the street lights? I hate it. I love it. These potholes, what are they gonna do about it? Thanks for leaving my call.

[Chris Ryan]

What are they doing with all this copper cr I have for 1984 runners up, Ackroyd's video camera.

[Van Lathan]

It's been 1984.

[Chris Ryan]

See the twin Towers a couple times in this, which is tough. Gene Kasem.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

It's just this was like her moment between this and cheers. And being married to Casey.

[Bill]

So what was the deal here? Like, they wanted to use Casey Kasem's voice. And Gene Kasem is probably like, I'll

[Chris Ryan]

do your movie if you put my wife in the movie. Yeah.

[Bill]

Not that she can't act. I'm just asking.

[Chris Ryan]

My favorite runner up for this, though, is calling someone a pencil neck. Like, that's been gone for 38 years out of here.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, that was like, that peaked in the 80s. Haven't heard pencil neck in a long time.

[Van Lathan]

I got a couple. One, they're Ghostbusters. And they immediately are asked about Elvis. No one has any clue in the mid-80s how big of a fucking deal Elvis's death and potentially being alive still was. Yeah, Everyone talking about it all the time on the front of every National Enquirer. Somebody saw Elvis in West Virginia with Honky Tonk Band.

[Chris Ryan]

It's like all the deaths from the last 15 years that were massive just combined into one death.

[Van Lathan]

That was Elvis Tribeca being fucked up.

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, that's a really good one.

[Van Lathan]

Goes into there and goes. He says the neighborhood is like a demilitarized zone.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Like, Tommy Alter has bar that he likes to go to that legitimately is right across the street from this Ghostbusters on Varick. Yeah. Like right there. You can see the thing. It's right there. Area is beautiful. What? We go there when I'm in New York, me and Tommy and other people, we have a friend.

[Chris Ryan]

I was going to do my Tommy impersonation. I don't know if I should do that on the rewatch.

[Bill]

What is it?

[Chris Ryan]

What's the name of the bar?

[Van Lathan]

I can't. Well, I can't remember the name of the bar. I really can't. Maybe it's Walker's. Is it called Walker's?

[Chris Ryan]

Walker's.

[Van Lathan]

Walker's. Yeah, it's Walker's.

[Chris Ryan]

I was at Walker's last night with Cooper Kaufman. He does the pause because he says the first name, but then remembers that you probably don't know who it is. So it's like I was doing rewatchables with Chris Ryan. Ryan, it's my Tommy Altar in person.

[Van Lathan]

Hey, Ben's on his way. Stiller.

[Chris Ryan]

Stiller.

[Van Lathan]

Tommy Alter.

[Chris Ryan]

We're gonna run into Jalen Brunson later.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. And the last one, 1984. The EPA in this movie are the

[Bill]

bad guys that's come back around kind of.

[Van Lathan]

I guess. I guess.

[Chris Ryan]

Actually, I guess let's. Let's take one more break and then we'll do what stage the best this episode is brought to you by Apple and at&t. Scroll long enough and you'll hear it all. Miracle diets, fitness trends, you name it. But with iPhone and Apple Watch you get meaningful insights from a very trusted source your body. You can track sleep quality, cardio fitness and more. Then unpack all the information in the health app on iPhone to get a picture of your overall health. These health insights are developed with clinical experts from start to finish. Find out [e-mail] health Apple Watch is not a medical device and should not be used as a substitute for professional medical advice. All right, what stage the best we mentioned don't cross the streams which is 42 years and counting. Phenomenal New York City movie. We did New York City month last last year and we didn't do Ghostbusters because I wanted to do it this year for some reason. But I just love how they use every aspect of the city.

[Craig]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

And even like that high shot when you can look down at Central park and you see all the trees and just like it's just great. I love the, the even seeing people like Joe Franklin in there and I just.

[Bill]

When stay puft is walking around and all the cabs and shit are getting into car accidents. I think that's Columbus Circle. But I'm just like, yeah, this is great. How the fuck did they do this?

[Chris Ryan]

Like sunny every day. There's never just a happy sunny mov.

[Van Lathan]

There's no weather. But like the. Even in Ghostbusters 2 like New York. How can I say this? Like the ethos of New York is a character of the movie. It seems like a story that could only take place in New York.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

What do you have for what's age the best?

[Bill]

You know I actually this is what's aged the best is kind of funny because sometimes I'm just like these lines. But this is a couple of these. The logo, the firehouse, the ectomobile, the marshmallow man. These are 40 plus years. Like if you see that, you're like Ghostbusters instantly. And they are indelible pop culture symbols still. And the uniforms. So still kids are still doing this for Halloween. It got brought back during Stranger Things. I think it's just like a couple of really, really, really durable pop culture icons from this movie.

[Van Lathan]

The proton packs I have because they are so signature to the Ghostbusters proton packs. Also the brands in this movie, they got Cheez It, Coca Cola, Perrier. All of this shit is still around. He's eating Cheez its she's Got Perrier in there.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, Coca Cola.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, obviously Coca Cola is going to be around.

[Chris Ryan]

The Cheez. Its made me want Cheez.

[Van Lathan]

Its maybe one Cheez.

[Bill]

Its guy's drinking canned Budweiser.

[Chris Ryan]

Maybe, like all of the stuff that they paid or not.

[Van Lathan]

I don't know. That's. I was trying to think. They didn't really. That was a big deal, Obviously, in the 80s it still is, but they didn't.

[Chris Ryan]

Because by the end of the 80s, they were doing it all the time.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Bill]

I also had the. A nice element to this movie. It's like, got very little backstory. Don't really. You don't know where Venkman comes from. You don't really like, none of, like, their past kind of like childhood trauma or anything like that. But their financial peril is, like, very cute. In the first half of this movie, when Ackroyd takes out the loan and Bill Murray goes, you're not gonna lose the house. Everybody has three mortgages these days. He's like, yeah, but at 19%.

[Van Lathan]

19%, that's another thing that's aged the best. High interest rates. 19%.

[Chris Ryan]

That would have been good for the 1984 section. I forgot to put that in. Yes, it's true. The man has no dick. It's still fucking funny all these years later. It's like one of the. What's our line? Delivery 1. The Jesse Eisenberg Ye. That's in the running for best line.

[Bill]

I mean, that's like the entire report. Yeah,

[Chris Ryan]

the original SNL generation popping in movies with each other, which is basically Blues Brothers, Caddyshack, Trading Places, Ghostbusters. Spies like us are probably the big ones.

[Van Lathan]

When did that stop? I was just having a conversation at Sycamore about Coneheads and about all of the movies that were made around the bad ones. Like, because there are some bad ones, right. And there's some ones that are underrated.

[Chris Ryan]

A lot of drugs back then.

[Van Lathan]

But when did the era of SNL people.

[Bill]

I mean, in Sandler's world, it hasn't ended well.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, Sandler was the next one to do. And then Apatow, who learned from both generations, blew it out and just was

[Craig]

like, but they're not.

[Bill]

Craig grew up with.

[Chris Ryan]

No, but it's the Apatow generation of. These are my extended crew. We're all going to be in movies with each other. And.

[Craig]

Yeah, it's like late 90s, early aughts with like, Austin Powers and I think

[Bill]

it goes up to Bridesmaids.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Craig]

I was saying what SNL Yeah. Oh, I guess Bridesmaids. Yes. And now.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Speaking of Apatow, this movie's pretty legendary for all the improv and all the ad libbing and stuff.

[Bill]

So this is another thing that I saw a lot of debate about, like, how much. How much is written versus how much is improv. So go ahead.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, well, I think it did influence comedies because I think everything was pretty rigid with. There's the script. Say your lines, here's the written jokes, and Caddyshack. They ad libbed a lot, but it was mostly because they didn't have a script. But I think in this one he was encouraging Reitman, was encouraging the people to explore the studio space with different scenes. And then I think in the 2000s, that really took off.

[Van Lathan]

Well, it's also these guys's idea.

[Bill]

Yeah, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

So being that it's their idea.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, they're writers and they know who Murray is.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, they know. They know what?

[Bill]

There was like a quote. Ackroyd had had some quote where he was like, the script is mostly structure and exposition and a lot of the dialogue is like Murray cooking. But then the shooting script is all the lines. But I guess there are like a lot of alts where like, Murray's throwing out like three or four different options. So.

[Van Lathan]

Right.

[Bill]

It's kind of. What do you believe?

[Chris Ryan]

55 Central Park West, I think wins the Amanda Dobbins were for best piece of real estate. Just a great looking building. The real Ghostbusters cartoon I have as a age, the best. That was like a real thing there for four years.

[Van Lathan]

It was a big deal and honestly

[Bill]

kept the whole thing in the consciousness

[Chris Ryan]

between the two movies to make the sequel happen. Whether you like the sequel.

[Van Lathan]

And it was. This was the. The Ghostbusters thing is the first time as a child that I ever experienced confusion in the marketplace. Confusion in the marketplace is something that I would go on to experience in my adult life. Which thing is the real thing? There was another Ghostbusters cartoon and this Ghostbusters cartoon featuring them going through time with a fucking gorilla or some shit like that. And so, like, the reason why the real one is called the real Ghostbusters is because it was like, hey, these are the Ghostbusters that you know. But I watched the other Ghostbusters for like four shows.

[Bill]

And it was different dudes, right?

[Van Lathan]

It was different dudes like, waiting for them to become the Ghostbusters from the movie.

[Chris Ryan]

Right.

[Van Lathan]

And then the real Ghostbusters comes out. It's completely different. It's the first time I realized that

[Chris Ryan]

as a kid I had the Green Slimer as a wood stage. The best. Because Aykroyd and Ramis really wanted the Green Slimer to be like Belushi. So they were really pushing the guy to be like, can you make this Belushi esque and make him like a party animal, slobby? And they spent a lot of money on it. And it's like really important. Ackroyd. It's like they feel like that's how they got Belushi in the movie with this green slime.

[Bill]

That's really cool.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

I think slime period has aged really well. 80s and 90s big slime.

[Chris Ryan]

Nickelodeon took it over. Yeah, good point. The promo stuff for this is what I forgot to mention. At the top, they had a theatrical trailer with the toll free telephone number and a message with Murray and Aykroyd and everyone called it. And it was, for some reason, worked really well with the marketing. You mentioned the Busters thing. So the Ghostbusters phenomenon. You had budget Busters, Crop Busters, Nuke Busters, Litter Busters, Price Busters was Pan American Airlines. So Busters just took off and eventually became Mythbusters and stuff. We have now the no Ghost logo was modified to protest Ronald Reagan, Walter Mondale, Mickey Mouse, union stuff that kept going. And then Murray, when he says, this chick is toast, they think it's the first time somebody ever said toast as like a slang term. And then it took off.

[Bill]

No shit.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, really? Wow.

[Chris Ryan]

They don't think it existed before this.

[Van Lathan]

Interesting.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. Great shot. Gordo Award most cinematic shot.

[Bill]

I do have a specific shot, but this movie shot by Laszlo Kovacs. Kovacs, who's like a Hungarian cinematographer, did stuff for Bogdanovich and then winds up shooting a bunch of stuff in the 80s a lot in New York that makes that basically that. That 80s New York vibe of movies that moves on from like the super gritty to the more like, hey, yeah, people can live here now. And it's Wall street. And like, people have advertising executive jobs and that look is very distinctive. And he did like legal Eagles and he did Ghostbusters, obviously, and say anything. So he shot Mask. He's just like a really good cinematographer. But all of the New York stuff that he shoots, the crowd scenes and stuff are just great.

[Chris Ryan]

I have a great shot. Gordo shouldn't have one when they're going up the stairs at the end.

[Bill]

Oh, yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

And they have that one shot where it just seems like it's 100 floors of stairs above them. But when we get a 20, let me know.

[Bill]

I'm going to puke.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, it's just really. It's a really cool shot. Yeah. Chess, Rock World. Brock Lanier's award for best character name. Is it Dr. Peter Venkman?

[Bill]

No, I think it's gone.

[Van Lathan]

Spangler.

[Bill]

It's Gozer the Gozerian.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, Gozer the Gozer.

[Chris Ryan]

Gozer the Gozerian.

[Van Lathan]

Gozerian. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Dennis Benny Hanna award. Would you go Dana's apartment in the library or something else?

[Bill]

I had the firehouse.

[Chris Ryan]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

Firehouse is fantastic. Do you know what I like that we don't see on film that much? Tavern on the Green. When they're outside and he's running through. That's in Trading Places. Like, I just love the way the outside looks. Always like all that are eating in there and not noticing what's happening outside. They did that a couple times.

[Chris Ryan]

I love that I snuck a category and I didn't tell you.

[Van Lathan]

What is it?

[Chris Ryan]

It's going to get Acrimonious. The rose from Titanic award for character who sneaky sucks. Egon.

[Bill]

Oh.

[Chris Ryan]

Harold Ramis made a choice to never smile as Egon in this entire movie because he didn't think. He thought. He wanted the character to be super serious.

[Bill]

Molds and fungus. His spores.

[Chris Ryan]

He's fine.

[Bill]

I think him.

[Chris Ryan]

Him and you said they were the Beatles. It's like, he's fine.

[Bill]

Yeah, well, you need a Ringo.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, he's fine.

[Van Lathan]

What's your problem?

[Chris Ryan]

He's fine.

[Van Lathan]

But like, what? He's. He's the brain George. He invisible stuff.

[Chris Ryan]

Crack a smile. Maybe get two jokes in there or something. He.

[Van Lathan]

He delivers funny lines.

[Chris Ryan]

Stripes.

[Bill]

He's really good when he's like, Ray, The. The interest rate alone after five years is $95,000.

[Van Lathan]

Funny.

[Chris Ryan]

Craig.

[Craig]

I'm closer to that. He serves the right purpose. He's a role player.

[Chris Ryan]

Okay. He's just setting pics. He's fine. What do you have for a flex category?

[Bill]

The door floors. Door award for how much that hurt is when Vakeman gets slimed.

[Van Lathan]

Oh.

[Bill]

Recovers really quickly for having a physical contact with an. Like a ghost.

[Chris Ryan]

And is it like. What do you think?

[Bill]

It's like super thick. Gooey. What's going on?

[Van Lathan]

Oh, Jesus Christ.

[Bill]

So, yeah, I had Bill.

[Van Lathan]

Bill was about. Bill caught himself. Bill was like, isn't it thick?

[Chris Ryan]

Well, I just had to. I had to remember her. I said it next.

[Van Lathan]

It's very true.

[Bill]

I just. And then I was going to try and do a book about medals for this movie. And it's the whole movie.

[Van Lathan]

Right. When he got slimed. Did it paralyze him?

[Bill]

That's what I'm asking. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

It seems like he was like, I can't move. It seems like the slime took over him.

[Chris Ryan]

Deshaun Penn. I brought my own PAC award for excellence in on screen smoking pack.

[Craig]

Right.

[Chris Ryan]

Aykroyd's dangling cigarette thing that he pulls off or I don't know how he kept it in his mouth. And apparently no adhesives or anything. He just knew how to do it. There's a 59 second smoking super cup from this movie that I sent you guys. I watched it could have been longer. The Butch's girlfriend award for weak link of the film.

[Van Lathan]

Well, this was tough.

[Chris Ryan]

Come on, Van.

[Van Lathan]

This, this, this was tough. I really could not think of a weak link and I'm not gonna give it to Ernie Hudson on this goddamn podcast. I really thought about this. I wanted to push myself to think about a weak link in the movie and I could not think of one. Every character that speaks sort of thumbs up. Are you.

[Bill]

Are you saying this because you're like, you're like you don't want LeBron to talk bad about Memphis? Like you don't wanna talk bad about Hudson.

[Van Lathan]

No. I mean if you were gonna give a weak link, that would be the sore thumb.

[Bill]

Right?

[Van Lathan]

And I'm not. But even he is not a weak link. I think he.

[Bill]

Well, don't do a drive by at any Potts just because you don't wanna

[Van Lathan]

speak about Ernie Hudson to me. It's not Annie Potts. Andy Potts is an important character too. I don't think. I really don't think the movie has a weak link. I'm being for real.

[Bill]

I. I agree with him. I. And I don't have any caveats.

[Van Lathan]

What the fuck? Here we go.

[Chris Ryan]

I think it's Winston. See?

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Your podcast.

[Van Lathan]

Go ahead and do it.

[Chris Ryan]

It's Ernie Hudson aside. I'm not. It's not an Ernie Hudson thing.

[Van Lathan]

You can't do that. You.

[Chris Ryan]

Not an Ernie Hudson thing.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

I just don't really understand why he shows up halfway through the movie. And I think the whole thing, it's

[Bill]

too much work for three Ghostbusters.

[Chris Ryan]

Everything Craig said, but he just shows up.

[Craig]

So they just need. They would need 10 more.

[Bill]

Well, that's what I mean, Andy. And I say like, you promised me more.

[Chris Ryan]

I get. In theory, they're like, he's going to be the Everyman. But I don't feel like they really nailed the character. It just. All of A sudden, he's just kind of there, and he never really has his moment.

[Van Lathan]

Well, guess what? I understood him. I got exactly what he was putting down. He's the one that talks about believing in God. Like, do you believe in God? He deepens the Ghostbusters style.

[Chris Ryan]

I love Jesus style. I don't think they had a scene with him that exploded. Explains, like, why I'm supposed to have a connection with him. I would compare it to in the NBA season during the trade deadline when it's like, we need a shooter. It's like, we've got Caris Lavert. Here's Caris Lavert. Now he's on the Pistons. It's like, that's a great idea. Caris Laverto gets. And then you never figure out how to use Caris Lavert. This is their trade deadline, middle of the movie pickup. But I don't think they totally figured out how to incorporate them. And I think he feels it, too, which is why he seems to have a complicated relationship.

[Bill]

I think his character is. Is probably the person hurt most by its Craig Horlbach number of running time where it's like, there's just not enough time. The obvious point is there's a moment in the mayor's office when he's like, your Honor, I want to speak for myself. And you could see Venkman peel off and be like, oh, my God, here we go. He's going to betray us.

[Chris Ryan]

I just had more questions than answers with, like, does he like the other Ghostbusters?

[Van Lathan]

Well, he's there for a job.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, right.

[Bill]

I mean, he.

[Chris Ryan]

Does he like these guys? Does he believe in what they're doing?

[Bill]

This is not worth another five grand a year.

[Chris Ryan]

Right.

[Van Lathan]

I think they needed that character because the movie got increasingly fantastical as it went along.

[Bill]

And it's overnight success. They do one job at the hotel, and then they're at fucking, like, Studio 54 the next night. And it's cool to have, like, a little bit of the. Like, hey, I need a job. And, like, I'll just do whatever you guys say if the money is right.

[Chris Ryan]

And it's. But you. So you would say this was perfectly executed? Because I would disagree.

[Van Lathan]

I wouldn't say that it was perfectly executed. I wouldn't say that. It's not. It's not pronounced enough to warrant criticism.

[Chris Ryan]

I understand why they did it. I think it probably made sense in the room. I don't think they executed it well enough in the movie.

[Van Lathan]

There you go.

[Chris Ryan]

He needed, like, either one more scene where I'm like, oh man, he really needs this job. I didn't realize he had this hardship in his life or oh, his wife just died or something where I'm like, oh, now I'm attached to this guy.

[Van Lathan]

Want to kill the man's wife to make him put him in the movie. Haven't we given enough? You want to kill the man's wife.

[Chris Ryan]

They're in the prison scene. He seems like, like angry. Like he seems like he's mad at the guys. I'm like, don't be mad at my guys.

[Van Lathan]

Question, Bill. Why would you think.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

That that guy in that situation would be mad because he met these guys and ended up in jail? Like, what do you think?

[Chris Ryan]

What do you think it's better if he leaves? If he's like, you guys are crazy, I'm out.

[Bill]

He's also the one who's like, you can't just go to the mayor and be like, it's biblical. End of times.

[Van Lathan]

Right?

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

So he's just, he's. He's the one that's sort of tempering the movie because the movie becomes a full on science fiction fantasy in the third act.

[Bill]

Yeah. In the last 10, 15, 20 minutes. It's. It's like that.

[Van Lathan]

This was fun though.

[Chris Ryan]

What are you gonna do?

[Bill]

I can't wait to hear your hottest take. Jesus Christ. That's your week link.

[Van Lathan]

Jesus Christ. Need one less job in the town. That's what Bill said.

[Chris Ryan]

I'm glad he's in the movie. I just thought there's like a scene missing. Like.

[Bill]

Yeah, my weak link is, is Walter Peck.

[Van Lathan]

And it's.

[Bill]

It's not because I don't think William Aetherton is basically the prick of the 80s and is an iconic asshole in these movies.

[Van Lathan]

Talk about in a second.

[Bill]

But I think he could have used either a little bit more juice, like a. Like a slightly more earlier appearance. Like maybe he just like his whole thing is like two scenes and it's like everything that happens could have happened by accident without the EPA throwing off the.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, good point. What stage the worst Ghostbusters to just a money grab.

[Bill]

Yeah. I think that none of us feel great about the handling of the franchise in general. Has probably been a little.

[Chris Ryan]

I have three more sequels. Also shameless money grabs.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Across the board. And the. The all female Ghostbusters is one of the worst movies in the 2010s. It's really bad. It's just bad. It's a bad movie.

[Van Lathan]

Well, I'll tell you what I thought. I thought it was a very Important movie. I thought it was a movie that had to be made. I thought it was a movie for its time. I wanted to see a film.

[Bill]

Where are you running for mayor?

[Van Lathan]

I'm fucking with you. It sucked, but like, it was terrible. And I remember trying. This is awful. I remember trying to. Woke myself into loving it. Like, I'm sitting down.

[Chris Ryan]

There were really good people in that movie.

[Van Lathan]

The movie, it's. Everybody is dead ass. Nice at what they do. The writer, the director, all of them together. It just didn't fucking work.

[Bill]

Did you watch either of the Jason Reitman movies?

[Chris Ryan]

I. After Female Ghostbusters. That was out.

[Bill]

Okay. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

I was like, you know what? Some. I feel the same way about a

[Bill]

lot of this stuff, if I remember correctly. The thing is weird about them is like, they are not without some charms. Yeah, Carrie Coon's really good in it, but like, you're just kind of like, why is this a Ghostbusters movie? It's a full on.

[Van Lathan]

Like, it's not like it's. I mean, it's too much talent on screen for just to be like, totally whack. But the. And the. The Ghostbusters that they made, the subsequent ones. The first one I actually kind of enjoyed. I actually thought it was pretty cool.

[Bill]

What, the. The. The sequel.

[Van Lathan]

The. The first sequel that they made.

[Bill]

Yeah. With all like this. The goo underneath the city and stuff.

[Van Lathan]

I actually enjoyed that.

[Chris Ryan]

Okay. I had for what stage, the worst really tough movie for cable for about 15 years because of the pain and scan. Oh, because. And you can see it now on the wide TVs. This was filmed like a wide movie. And on the pan and scan you just miss a lot of stuff and everything feels really tight. This is how they did it with the square TVs. And it just was always like, not the best watch. And now it's a great watch again because the TV's got wider. But I thought it suffered for a few years.

[Bill]

A couple of visual gags here that I only noticed this time around where when Dana first comes in to the firehouse and she goes up to Annie Potts and then Murray just like pops up in the back of the frame and runs over the. Over the half wall.

[Chris Ryan]

It's great. The. We mentioned the. I want a new drug controversy. And then the only other one is. William Atherton claims he became reviled after the movie.

[Bill]

Well, I mean, then he was such a bad guy.

[Chris Ryan]

And then people would be like, hey, Dick was. Yeah. And. And just like, we're really mad at him for a few years. Yeah. And then he's like. Like it. And doubles down and does Die Hard.

[Van Lathan]

I have to say this. I know. You know, people think that I have no taste in movies. I love Ghostbusters 2. Love it.

[Bill]

Didn't you just start with I thought it was okay? And now you've gotten to I love it in just, like, five seconds.

[Van Lathan]

I don't think that I. If I was saying I thought it was okay, then, like, I love Ghostbusters, okay. Like, it's hard for me to look at the movie as bad. I got my nostalgia glasses on. The one thing that aged poorly in this movie is some of the establishing shots look boarded. They look like.

[Bill]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Like I. That is always a thing that stamps a movie in the time. Like some of the establishing shots in the movie, they look sort of animated and rendered in a way.

[Bill]

I think that there's a bunch of stuff at the end of the movie that's basically matte paintings and stuff like that.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. And they use those as establishing shots. And like, the. The. Like that stuff never ages well to me when they do stuff like that.

[Chris Ryan]

You didn't have anything else?

[Bill]

Just Peter Venkman using his position as a professor to extract sexual favors out of students and clients.

[Chris Ryan]

I just thought that was part of the job.

[Van Lathan]

By the way, when Venkman is in there with the girl.

[Bill]

With the psychic.

[Van Lathan]

With the psychic girl. Right. Hilarious scene, wavy lines the whole time. When he tells Ray to come back. Right. In an hour and an hour and a half, does Venkman think that he's about to fuck?

[Bill]

Yes.

[Van Lathan]

In the look. Well, then, if that's the case, that age story. Terribly. And by the way, an hour, an hour and a half. Told you. Nine minutes. That's the floor.

[Chris Ryan]

Ruffalo Hand and Ruben Partridge overacting award.

[Bill]

The person playing Gozer.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Who was that?

[Bill]

That's a good question.

[Chris Ryan]

They said they wanted Grace Jones and she turned it down. Yeah.

[Bill]

I think it was person. You can't. You get.

[Van Lathan]

When you can't get someone look exactly like Grace Jones in terms of the aesthetic.

[Bill]

Think.

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, Van, you have a flex category.

[Van Lathan]

Flex category.

[Bill]

Another list slot via Yovon.

[Van Lathan]

Okay.

[Bill]

Goer. I mean, I. There's no picture of her.

[Van Lathan]

All right.

[Chris Ryan]

Van's Flex categories. Got a list.

[Van Lathan]

Top five dick actors of the 80s. You see these guys, you know that they're playing dicks, okay?

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, that's actual dicks.

[Van Lathan]

Like, they're not actually dicks in real life. I'm sure these guys are lovely men. But. But these guys played the assholes of the 80s.

[Bill]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

Okay. Number five, Thomas F. Wilson.

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, Biff.

[Van Lathan]

Biff.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Back to the future 1. Back to the future 2. Now, he doesn't have the dick catalog of some of these other guys, but

[Chris Ryan]

Biff is just all hall of Fame. First ballot dick.

[Van Lathan]

Yes. Not only that. Biff. Psychopath.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Killer Biff. Wants to kill bad person.

[Bill]

Kill unethical gambler.

[Van Lathan]

Bad school gambler. Hold it. Number four, Paul Gleason.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

The Breakfast Club. Trading Places.

[Bill]

Oh, yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

He plays. I make $30,000 a year. These kids are going to respect me.

[Van Lathan]

The top three is where it really gets tight. Because the top three.

[Chris Ryan]

Did you need Atherton in there?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Number three, William Zabka.

[Craig]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

Billy Z. Johnny Lawrence. Karate Kid. Just one of the guys.

[Chris Ryan]

And Chaz.

[Van Lathan]

Back to school.

[Chris Ryan]

Chaz, right.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Back to school. Top two.

[Chris Ryan]

A dick diver.

[Van Lathan]

A dick diver. Top two. We basically got LeBron and Jordan.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

It depends on what you want.

[Bill]

And it's Atherton and who?

[Chris Ryan]

Spader.

[Bill]

Oh, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Like, it depends on what you like.

[Bill]

I mean, to me, Spader is playing at another level.

[Van Lathan]

You think Spader is playing at another level?

[Bill]

Yes.

[Van Lathan]

But when you think about Atherton, though, Spader's number two for me. Pretty in Pink, baby boom. Whatever movie he was in, he could

[Chris Ryan]

slide the other way too, and be a decent guy. That's the problem. Atherton's like, could only be a dick.

[Van Lathan]

Atherton. Ghostbusters Die Hard. Don't forget Real genius. Also in Real Genius as the Terrible Professor.

[Bill]

That's right.

[Van Lathan]

In Real genius as well. Like, that's three. In terms of the movies, I love all time heavyweight Assholes.

[Bill]

Do you consider Spader a Dick in Sex Lies in Videotape?

[Van Lathan]

Kinda. Kinda, yeah.

[Bill]

But yeah, kind of want to do that.

[Chris Ryan]

It's kind of a romantic.

[Bill]

I kind of want to do Sex Lies in video, too.

[Chris Ryan]

What do you mean, kind of where it's on the list. It's my mom's favorite movie.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Your mom's favorite movie?

[Chris Ryan]

Yes, unfortunately, I'm talking about. Yeah. Yes, it is.

[Van Lathan]

That's a Baton Rouge classic.

[Bill]

Would she do it with us?

[Chris Ryan]

No.

[Craig]

Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

But she's asked repeatedly when we're doing it.

[Bill]

Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

She thinks it's the height of cinema that in Annie Hall. She wants us to do that one too. She can't believe we haven't done a Woody Allen movie. Bill's mom's mom. We get that sponsor.

[Van Lathan]

Who would sponsor that?

[Bill]

Hallmark. Hallmark.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. Wait, it would be. It would be alcohol.

[Bill]

Josh Wines.

[Chris Ryan]

So Atherton number one I got Atherton number one.

[Van Lathan]

I feel like real genius. Put him over the top. Because when I was thinking about it,

[Chris Ryan]

let to think about this. Zabka did have the trilogy.

[Bill]

It's also like a definitional thing because you're, you're, you're going with like dramas and comedies here. And I wonder whether or not in the Schwarzenegger 80s action universe, there's like

[Chris Ryan]

Robert Patrick, but he couldn't have been addicted.

[Van Lathan]

Many times I thought about Gene Hackman, who also tended. In this day, the only one who

[Chris Ryan]

feels like he's missing is Burt Young because he played Paulie, the worst character.

[Bill]

But I guess you're making a distinction between dicks and villains.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, not villains, but dicks.

[Bill]

Because cherry, in another 48 hours, he's the bad guy in Toy Soldiers.

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Andrew Davos.

[Bill]

Yeah, that's more of a. Yeah. And Robert Davi is a big one for the 80s.

[Van Lathan]

Robert Davi was huge. That was the Goonies.

[Chris Ryan]

William Forsyth could be in there too. I think you landed in the right spot that the CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. Hottest take award. I'll go last because I think you guys are going to get up and leave.

[Bill]

I think that Ghostbusters is the best movie to ever come out of Saturday Night Live.

[Van Lathan]

Ooh.

[Bill]

And I will include not only movies based on sketches, which is how we probably usually think of SNL movies, but let's go Elf, let's go Bridesmaids, let's go Wayne's World, Tommy Boy. Like, I'll include a bunch now when you. Austin Powers, but when you get to, you know, is Inglorious Bastards a Saturday Night Live movie because Mike Myers is in it. No, it has to have, like, at least a couple of car people from SNL and have like an SNL sensibility.

[Chris Ryan]

And it has to be like, relatively close enough to when they were on the show.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Can't be like 28 years.

[Bill]

But I think this is the best movie to come out of Saturday Night Live.

[Van Lathan]

I think it's clear. The question is, what's two actually? Because, like, when I think about all the movies that we could compare it to, there's a huge, huge gap. I mean, Wayne's World and the rest of those movies were, like, phenomenal.

[Chris Ryan]

But there's a huge Trading Places count.

[Bill]

I think so. And I think. I think there's a world in which anchorman counts. I mean, that would be, that would be the competition.

[Chris Ryan]

But I would say it's. It's clearly the most successful of any SNL movie ever.

[Van Lathan]

Anchorman. Even if you were to count Anchorman, it's just like, in no way, shape or form. Fudgeing with Ghostbusters.

[Chris Ryan]

I think it was almost like a slow burn. Anchorman.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

That's pretty good.

[Van Lathan]

What are we leaving out? I feel like.

[Chris Ryan]

No, I mean, there's a bunch of the feral movies have to be mentioned.

[Bill]

Yeah. I mean, Step Brothers in Talladega, but

[Chris Ryan]

a lot of millions movies like Happy Gilmore has to be in there.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Craig]

Eddie Murphy movies like.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, all the Eddie movies.

[Van Lathan]

But it's only made. Really.

[Bill]

It's just Eddie in those movies. It's not like they come from, like, a creative nexus.

[Van Lathan]

Right.

[Chris Ryan]

You need, like, at least two.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Craig]

I think it's also lasted the test of time. Better than any SNL movie.

[Bill]

It's better than Blues Brothers. It's better than.

[Craig]

Yeah, Blues Brothers is more culturally expired. Ghostbusters is still super popular and famous, huh?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Bill]

Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

Animal House. It's really only Belushi and that. So that doesn't go. What's your hottest take?

[Van Lathan]

What right do the Ghostbusters have to put ghosts in jail? I never thought about. Are the Ghostbusters the fucking police? I think to myself, like, guess it's my Uncle Mark. Rest in peace, right? Let's say that my Uncle Mark, who spent a lot of time Angola State Penitentiary, passed away, wants to come back and visit me. What right do the Ghostbusters have? This is to incarcerate, first of all, ghosts. It's like an immigration ghost in jail.

[Bill]

If ghosts were. If this was happening in 2026, we now know how you would be tweeting about Ghostbusters.

[Van Lathan]

I would have to ask the question, the reality. I never thought about this before in my life because I think my brain was regular before. Now it's war. But, like, I thought about it. You get to go and a police action against a ghost. Tie the ghost up. The woman that was in the library, that was clearly her job. She was shushing people. She used to work there. Yeah.

[Bill]

What was Slimer doing?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, well, like, I'm just saying, like, he's hanging around. Look, if the ghosts are acting unruly, that's one thing. You talk to the ghost, give the ghosts therapy, whatever you do.

[Bill]

Well, this is where the EPA comes in.

[Van Lathan]

But what I'm saying, the epa, environment, what gives them the right to build a private prison and put the ghost in there?

[Bill]

We haven't really vetted what these guys are doing. It's a private transaction between the person who calls The Ghostbusters. And the Ghostbusters. Because the Ghostbusters are like. When he's like, I'm not going to pay for this. They're like, well, we'll just let the ghost back out.

[Van Lathan]

Well, yeah, right. So the Ghostbusters run a nuclear power private prison for ghosts. And I don't know, like, was that

[Chris Ryan]

a good use of city resources?

[Van Lathan]

I don't think that's right.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, well, you know my theory with ghosts?

[Van Lathan]

What?

[Chris Ryan]

You gotta just talk to them and get to a good place with them. You don't. You don't become adversarial with the ghosts. All that's gonna do is make them.

[Bill]

A lot of you would be like, more of a social outreach kind of Ghostbuster.

[Chris Ryan]

I would be like, pro ghost, friendly ghost. Like, how can we help you guys?

[Van Lathan]

Like, what do we do now? Obviously, there are some ghosts, you know, ghosts possessing people and all that stuff. You gotta bring Constantine in and, like, do all of that stuff. But, like, for the most part, I don't know that they have the right to do what they was doing. And it kind of pissed me off this time. Like, get out of here. I have a second hottest steak. Real quick one. Dana's a fucking gold digger.

[Bill]

What do you mean?

[Van Lathan]

Dana very clearly dissed Venkman when he first came to her apartment. Oh, that.

[Chris Ryan]

He wasn't in the stratosphere for her.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, she very clearly.

[Bill]

Do you think she's dating the guy who's Snort Nafrin?

[Van Lathan]

She was dating him, but you know what changed? What changed is she saw Venkman on

[Chris Ryan]

tv, became a small business owner.

[Van Lathan]

Venkman became a small business owner. He became a celebrity. And even when he comes up to her, the next time when she sees him, she smiles because now he's famous.

[Chris Ryan]

You know what? I respect it.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

She's a classical violinist. She's tall and she's hot, and she's not gonna date some.

[Bill]

She's just making her way through New

[Chris Ryan]

York city in the 80s. She's got, like. Like, guys who run restaurants coming after her and the hedge fund guys. She's got, like, Eastern Europeans.

[Van Lathan]

Gordon Gekko is at the Goddamn.

[Chris Ryan]

Bernard King made a run at her. Like, she's. She's got a lot of options. Lawrence Taylor.

[Bill]

Do you think she dated Bernard King? But then the knee injuries kind of took him out of the mix.

[Chris Ryan]

Then she was out.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Craig]

Did she go for Dennis Peck?

[Bill]

So what's your. What's your hottest take?

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, you guys aren't gonna be happy. I think if Sigourney and Kathleen Turner switch movies in 1984. Everyone wins.

[Bill]

So what's Romancing the Stone?

[Chris Ryan]

Sigourney does Romancing the Stone and Jewel of the Nile. And Kathleen Turner does Ghostbusters 1 and 2. And this movie goes to another level. And when she's possessed, I think. I think I'm dead. I think in 1984, that's it. I have like a testicle explosion.

[Van Lathan]

I'm just dead.

[Bill]

This

[Chris Ryan]

with Possessed Kathy third. It's like, what happened to your son? He died. It's a weird story. He exploded.

[Bill]

What.

[Van Lathan]

What.

[Bill]

What is leading you to want to, like, improve Ghostbusters by 5?

[Van Lathan]

What are you doing?

[Chris Ryan]

The whole point of the hottest take award. This is a hot take.

[Van Lathan]

You forget what?

[Chris Ryan]

I just think you switch. Kathleen Turner.

[Bill]

Kathleen Turner and Eddie Murphy.

[Chris Ryan]

I think Sigourney would have been amazing in Romance in the Stone.

[Van Lathan]

She would. It would have really worked. Worked. It would have really worked.

[Chris Ryan]

Well, Kathleen Turner Weaver does.

[Bill]

Does War of the Roses. Like, is it. Does she take the Turner's spot?

[Chris Ryan]

She does Wore the Roses, yeah. I tell you, just do some switcheroos. Maybe Kathleen Turner's.

[Van Lathan]

And Dave, you forget what type of time Kathleen Turner was.

[Chris Ryan]

I didn't forget. That's why this was my house take.

[Van Lathan]

Damn.

[Chris Ryan]

She was. Kathleen Turner in the mid-80s is to

[Van Lathan]

me all time mar a lago superstar. Right? Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

She just oozed sexuality, like in every moment of her life.

[Bill]

Your testicle would explode. That's what you said.

[Chris Ryan]

I said there would have been a testicular explosion. But why?

[Van Lathan]

Why? Why? But I. Do you feel like a part of this? You feel like she was maybe too smoldering for this movie?

[Bill]

Yeah, she's too hot for Ghostbusters.

[Chris Ryan]

The thing is, she was miscast on Romance in the Stone because she plays like this mouncy romance novelist who gets unleashed by. By Michael Douglas swashbuckling this adventure. And it's like, that's a better Sigourney river role. Kathleen Turner as like, I'm a hot classical violinist and now I'm possessed by zul.

[Bill]

Are you just looking at pictures of Kathleen Turner?

[Chris Ryan]

Van's gone. Yeah, man, we gotta take one more break. Trying to rally Van back.

[Van Lathan]

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[Van Lathan]

All right.

[Chris Ryan]

Casting what ifs. There's a ton including Chevy chase claiming in 2018 that he turned down Venkman.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Again, all I have is the sniff test for these.

[Bill]

So which one of these.

[Chris Ryan]

That one didn't smell right to me.

[Bill]

Let me ask you this.

[Chris Ryan]

Do you. But do you believe Chevy Chase and Bill Murray have had a weird relationship?

[Bill]

I believe there was a phone call

[Chris Ryan]

and he's like, yeah, I could have done good.

[Bill]

But I believe there's also like in the half ass Internet research for this. There is just a real like Bill Murray is not in your movie until he is in the first.

[Chris Ryan]

Do we have backup plans?

[Bill]

Yes. Was there a phone call? Possibly. I'm going to read you the what ifs that are listed on the Internet for Venkman. Just give me the one that you think is the most interesting here.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, cool.

[Bill]

Michael Keaton, Chevy Chase. Tom Hanks, Robin Williams.

[Chris Ryan]

I don't believe that one.

[Bill]

Steve Gutenberg.

[Chris Ryan]

No way.

[Bill]

And Richard Pryor.

[Chris Ryan]

No.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, so I believe Keaton.

[Chris Ryan]

I don't believe Hanks.

[Bill]

Keaton was the one that I thought was the most interesting.

[Chris Ryan]

I think he made a ton of sense and I think he would have been good in the movie. And I'm a. I'm pro. Michael Keaton.

[Van Lathan]

Keaton has played versions of this role.

[Bill]

Oh yeah?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Like he's wise crack.

[Bill]

He's basically this in gung ho.

[Van Lathan]

Gung ho. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

And gung ho, as you know Billy Blaze Jowski, I think, is one of the funniest characters in the history of anything. And I think he could have just been Billy Blaze Jowski from Night Shift. From Night Shift.

[Van Lathan]

From Night Shift, yeah.

[Bill]

The one that I was most interested in was the Egon Rumors. Christopher Walken, John Lithgow, Christopher Lloyd, Jeff Goldblum.

[Chris Ryan]

Goldblum. Seems like he turned it. Goldblum turned it down.

[Bill]

Did he?

[Chris Ryan]

That's what that was in the research. But then you read the Reitman story and it's like. Yeah, but it does seem like Ramis eventually became Igor.

[Bill]

But Egon.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, Egon. Who's Igor? The guy in the Nets. Igor Damon. He eventually became Igor Damon on the Nets. He gone.

[Bill]

I love that those are the two things you've got your brain.

[Chris Ryan]

But I wonder if there was a moment when he didn't think he was

[Van Lathan]

going to be in it.

[Chris Ryan]

Goldblum, I think, is really good. A really good choice.

[Van Lathan]

Walken's interesting. Goldblum could have done it.

[Chris Ryan]

I think Walken chews up too much scenery.

[Bill]

But you wanted Eddie Murphy to play Winston.

[Van Lathan]

I know.

[Chris Ryan]

Well, but that's Eddie Murphy.

[Bill]

Okay, what.

[Chris Ryan]

But what version of Walkin would you have wanted? Would you have won a Deer Hunter?

[Bill]

It's basically any.

[Chris Ryan]

Would you want roulette?

[Bill]

Guys, when the Deer Hunter watchables. Will we do that?

[Chris Ryan]

Have you seen Deer Hunter?

[Craig]

No.

[Chris Ryan]

No, Never.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, we talked about that. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Talk about a movie that obliterates the horror back scale. I think it doubles a lot of people.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

But it moves quick, though. Lots happening every scene.

[Chris Ryan]

Apparently. Daryl Hannah, Denise Crosby, Julia Roberts and Kelly LeBrock all auditioned for Dana.

[Van Lathan]

Julia Roberts. She was too young in 1984. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

I don't know if I believe that. LeBrock's interesting. John Candy offered Lewis, totally turned it down.

[Bill]

Wanted to do Lewis with a German accent.

[Chris Ryan]

They definitely went hard after John Candy and he just didn't get it. And then Sandra Bernhard turned down Janine.

[Bill]

I think we wound up in the right place with everything.

[Van Lathan]

Right.

[Chris Ryan]

And then Paul Reubens was allegedly going to be goer for a second. I don't know if I believe that one. I. All of these. I just don't know if I believe that's that guy. So is William Atherton of that guy or is he William Atherton?

[Bill]

I think you can. You can throw him in there. I think it's probably that guy.

[Chris Ryan]

See that guy to you?

[Craig]

He isn't that guy to me.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Bill]

Okay, so he's the guy, you know,

[Chris Ryan]

but he's that guy from Die Hard or that guy from Ghostbusters.

[Van Lathan]

Correct.

[Bill]

I think David Margulies, who plays the mayor.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, he's a really good. That guy.

[Chris Ryan]

Jennifer run in was a stealth. That guy. She was in up the Creek. Charles in Charge whole season, not key 902.0 episode and she played Cindy Brady in A Very Brady Christmas. All in like five years. Dion Waiters award. Moranis is in it too much.

[Bill]

No, he's not. He's in 3C.

[Chris Ryan]

No, he's. He's in the whole.

[Van Lathan]

I got him. Or any pop.

[Bill]

I gotta talk to you for a second about Dion. Dion is about a screen time limit. It's about what you do with your screen time.

[Chris Ryan]

He's like the sixth lead in the movie.

[Van Lathan]

Come on. The movie. You got six characters.

[Bill]

Help me out here.

[Van Lathan]

No, he's clearly right.

[Chris Ryan]

He's in it for like 45 minutes.

[Bill]

He meets her outside of her apartment. He has his party.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Bill]

Gets chased.

[Chris Ryan]

Then he has the whole thing outside the apartment. He has the whole party scene. He has the whole chase scene.

[Bill]

We didn't even talk about enough. Where he's just like. Do you want some coffee? Yes. Have some. Like, it's. And he's smelling the landline. It's so funny.

[Chris Ryan]

So is there any Hudson eligible?

[Bill]

Yeah, but Ernie Hudson is not.

[Van Lathan]

He doesn't.

[Chris Ryan]

Funnier than Rick Moranis trying to start shit. Okay.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. You want to double down?

[Chris Ryan]

All right. If you want to make Moranis eligible, that's fine. How many think. Craig, is he eligible?

[Craig]

I just looked it up. He's in. This is, according to AI, eight to 10 minutes. Eight to 10 minutes of this movie.

[Van Lathan]

I can't be right.

[Craig]

No, it says he's in roughly 8 to 10 minutes of screen time in the pro version.

[Bill]

Can you get an actual runtime Claude or Chat?

[Van Lathan]

Chat. GPT. Would you have any Potts?

[Chris Ryan]

No, I think I'd have Moranis. I just wanted to make sure he's in this movie.

[Bill]

I think she's lovely.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, she's fine. She's good.

[Van Lathan]

She's good.

[Bill]

I like to read.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Craig]

Her accent is crazy.

[Van Lathan]

Her accent is crazy.

[Craig]

Out of control.

[Van Lathan]

Hidden on Egon, all of that.

[Craig]

Yeah, she's good.

[Chris Ryan]

I love her recasting Couch Director City. The John Candy one really stuck in my head.

[Bill]

Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

He ends up doing Splash. So he's represented in 1984 in a good way. But it's just a really interesting twist. If he's that character, I don't know what's better because I think Moranis is great.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Craig did his flex half ass Internet research. Columbia had Frank Price, who ended up becoming a great teammate of Michael Eisner's and then died tragically in a plane crash when he was the number two guy at Disney. He became the head of Universal after he bought the script and believed in the script so much, he sold Columbia the title for 500,000 plus 1% of the film profits.

[Van Lathan]

There you go.

[Chris Ryan]

Smart son of a. Fucking Frank Price. Smart, dude. Yeah. Richard Edlin did all the special effects. Used part of the budget to found Boss Film Studios. Because there were like no special effects studios back then. They advanced $5 million and started this whole thing. The Marshmallow man outfit designed by Bill Bryan, who modeled his walk after a Godzilla. Eighteen foam suits cost almost $600,000. And he had to have a separate air supply because the. The whole thing was so toxic. Marshmallow was. Was raining down the crowd with shaving cream. Gave a lot of people rashes.

[Bill]

But you know what I was thinking,

[Chris Ryan]

like, 1984 was great.

[Bill]

That would be so dope if it was actually marshmallows and you were just like an extra on the set of Ghostbusters.

[Chris Ryan]

Taking marshmallow out of your hair for five years. The original library ghost puppet was too scary and had to be given in the Fright Night movie instead.

[Bill]

Oh, interesting.

[Van Lathan]

I like Fright Night.

[Chris Ryan]

You mentioned the Biltmore. There is a deleted scene where Rey has a sexual encounter with a female ghost. They decided to cut. Sorry, man.

[Van Lathan]

Wait a minute.

[Bill]

Well, Ray does have.

[Van Lathan]

He does have a sexual encounter.

[Bill]

Like he gets his zipper.

[Chris Ryan]

But I think there's like.

[Craig]

Oh, that's.

[Bill]

That's a runner. Like a running gag in the.

[Chris Ryan]

I think it goes further.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, okay, okay.

[Chris Ryan]

And then the rooftop. The final confrontation was at a sound stage that required 50, 000amps of electricity to properly light it. And Columbia had to shut down all of their other stages while they did this because it was so much electricity. Jesus. Ironic. Like almost a parallel of the movie Apex Mountain.

[Bill]

Oh, I had one more piece of Internet research from the Vanity Fair. Kind of not an oral history, but it's like a making of Ghostbusters piece when they're basically waiting to find out whether Murray's gonna do this movie. And they're not sure until, like the day of the movie. So Murray flies back to New York after the Razor's Edge shoot. This is from Vanity Fair. Ramis and Reitman picked him up at LaGuardia Airport to show him the rework script. Quote, Bill flew in On a private plane an hour late. Ramis said in the 1985 interview. He came through the terminal with a stadium horn, one of those Bullhorns that plays 80 different fight songs, and he was addressing everyone in sight with this thing. They had to drag him out and take him to a restaurant in Queens where they showed him the script. And he had no input and just said, I trust you guys.

[Chris Ryan]

He does the movie that would have been good for the Steven Seagal category. Apex Mountain Murray, I think. Yes.

[Bill]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Could make an argument for Ground hall today, but.

[Chris Ryan]

But, yeah, Ackroyd.

[Bill]

I think Groundhog Day is. Is a good.

[Chris Ryan]

No, he's after this. It's like. I mean, he didn't work for four years because life's so huge.

[Van Lathan]

Groundhog Day becomes like this, like, gigantic, huge acid.

[Chris Ryan]

Probably Trading Places.

[Bill]

Well, he wrote this, though, and he basically, like, kind of is the custodian of the Ghostbusters franchise. So I think that in some ways, this is his. It's his impacts.

[Van Lathan]

I'm going go out on a limb and say that Groundhog Day, to me,

[Chris Ryan]

is for Bill Murray.

[Van Lathan]

Is Bill Murray. But, yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Sigourney Weaver.

[Bill]

No. Aliens.

[Chris Ryan]

Aliens. 55 Central Park West.

[Bill]

Yes.

[Chris Ryan]

Ramis. Yes. I guess probably doing. Being a director, it would be this.

[Bill]

Or Groundhogs.

[Chris Ryan]

Probably Groundhog Day. Stay Puft. Marshmallows.

[Bill]

Yes.

[Van Lathan]

Yes.

[Bill]

Real brand.

[Chris Ryan]

Is it? Yeah.

[Bill]

Is it?

[Chris Ryan]

I thought it was.

[Van Lathan]

Didn't look it up.

[Chris Ryan]

Ghost movies.

[Van Lathan]

I have that as to me, I think it is.

[Bill]

These are ghosts.

[Van Lathan]

These are ghosts. This. This is the debate that I'm here for. Is it ghost or Ghostbusters? For the number one ghost movie of all busting.

[Chris Ryan]

Did you do Ghost with us when we did that? And rewatching.

[Bill]

Not that was. You mean, Amanda, where you said that this is your idea of the afterlife?

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, I thought that was. I thought what happens in ghost is what happens in hell when they. When they bring Willie Lopez. They pull him down. The shadows come out and pull him down in the. The ground.

[Van Lathan]

Right.

[Chris Ryan]

That's what happens.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, wow. Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

I think they really figured it out in the real.

[Van Lathan]

And, like.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, you're like, what happened? And then you look at your dead self, and then the shadows come out and pull you down.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. It was very sad scene. Which one is it?

[Bill]

I think it's Ghostbusters.

[Van Lathan]

Ghostbusters or Ghost.

[Chris Ryan]

I think it's Ghostbusters. Boy, I would have put Poltergeist in the running, too.

[Van Lathan]

Poltergeist is cool, but Poltergeist is cool. I Think it's Ghostbusters, but it is like, oh, it's razor thin. To me, ghost is like such a.

[Bill]

Some other people might be like, it's paranormal activity or it's.

[Craig]

It's.

[Bill]

It's conjuring or something like that.

[Chris Ryan]

Paranormal activity is really good. I like that movie. New York City movies. No, no. Ernie Hudson.

[Bill]

What else was he. What's his biggest thing?

[Chris Ryan]

Well, he plays the special needs gardener in Hand that Rocks the Cradle. Yeah, he was in Oz for a couple years. Oz.

[Van Lathan]

He plays the warden.

[Bill]

That's right.

[Chris Ryan]

He's good in Oz. I like Ernie Hudson.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Don't try to stay on that side. They stay on that side.

[Chris Ryan]

I like it. I don't think that part was Ernie Hudson's fault.

[Van Lathan]

Ernie is the man, but this is probably what he's best known for, I think.

[Bill]

So he's one of the Ghostbusters.

[Craig]

Is he in the sequel?

[Van Lathan]

Yes.

[Chris Ryan]

Yes.

[Craig]

Does he have a larger role?

[Van Lathan]

Basically the same. A little bit larger.

[Chris Ryan]

Rick Moranis.

[Bill]

No.

[Van Lathan]

No.

[Bill]

Right.

[Chris Ryan]

It's.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

New York City Library scenes. Might be.

[Bill]

Yeah. I think you're New York City Public Library.

[Chris Ryan]

Probably the Sedgwick Hotel. Never heard of that before. This movie. Anything else?

[Van Lathan]

Turning into dogs?

[Bill]

Oh, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Could it. Could it be. Think about other. I mean, turn into the dogs. There's. I mean, there's twilight where you turn into a wolf. There's other stuff, but it's just. Yeah.

[Bill]

I was going to say this isn't. It's hard to articulate what exactly is the apex Mountain. But one of the things that bums me out about modern architecture is you're just never going to get a story like the occult architect who built in, like, a special metal to make it a superconductor of paranormal stuff. Like, it's. I got five condos above a Trader Joe's. Like, nothing's gonna happen there.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, it's a good point.

[Van Lathan]

Ghost combat. Last one. Is this the apex of ghost combat? I'm asking because there's actually a ghost. Ghost fighting with ghosts. Tussling with the ghost.

[Bill]

I would say Ice Cube and Ghost of Mars. This is a pretty good ghost color.

[Chris Ryan]

I think it is. Cruiser Hanks.

[Bill]

I have Hanks.

[Van Lathan]

Hanks.

[Chris Ryan]

Scorsese or Spielberg.

[Bill]

This is tough.

[Chris Ryan]

No, it's not.

[Bill]

You don't want to see Marty's version of this. Travis.

[Chris Ryan]

Cocaine at the end instead of marshmallows.

[Bill]

You guys are so boring with this one.

[Chris Ryan]

The Van Lathan Award. Did this movie need more black people?

[Van Lathan]

Nah.

[Chris Ryan]

Okay. Picking nits is Dana's apartment too nice. Feels like it is. So that feels like an apartment that. But it's like Mimi Rogers apartment and someone to watch over me.

[Craig]

Isn't it like the single most coveted spot in New York City.

[Bill]

Central park west is. Has always been one of the great, you know, real estate.

[Craig]

If I could pick any apartment location, it might be that literal apartment.

[Bill]

She's got a one bedroom. Like, it's not like she's living in a panel apartment. It is very nice.

[Van Lathan]

I think she comes from money because,

[Bill]

like, I think she calls her mother.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

That's why she doesn't like Venkman.

[Van Lathan]

She doesn't like Bankman because he doesn't have any bread. She's a concert cellist or whatever. She probably went to all the finest schools and Sorbonne. Whatever you go wherever you go to do that. I don't know where you go, but Juilliard, wherever you go, Julia. And so she went to all. And that's what she's doing. That's why she's stuck up goes bring her back down.

[Bill]

Well, I had for a little edge about Dana.

[Van Lathan]

I didn't like that part, man. Like, don't. Don't front on me when I come over there to help you with the ghost situation. And then after I blow up, you want to be down with me.

[Bill]

He's turkey based in her apartment and is like, when can we go get Chinese food?

[Chris Ryan]

Food.

[Van Lathan]

That's facts.

[Chris Ryan]

I had next pick nits. Why did Dana like Bankman? What. What turned it. But we already talked.

[Bill]

We already know.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Probably bossed up.

[Chris Ryan]

Probably a little cash. My only other one is I just think hundreds of people would have been killed by falling debris during the ending. Think all the people that were in the bottom of the of, like looking up. They're all dead.

[Van Lathan]

Right.

[Chris Ryan]

Just things are falling down, hitting them.

[Bill]

What do you have CR for picking nits.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Bill]

You know, I. I really love like your point about like, what gave them the right and would there be any oversight. Furthermore, like, the New York City being in a paranormal pandemonium I think would just be a much bigger deal. I know we see a brief moment of like the National Guard coming out, but I just don't think they would leave it up to these four guys who got kicked out of NYU or Columbia.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. This was a city that protested the premiere of the Warriors. They would have the paranormal activity would have been. Would have been tough.

[Van Lathan]

Why are the Ghostbusters allowed to have a blueprint in jail?

[Bill]

Oh, yeah, dude.

[Van Lathan]

Why do they have. They're in jail they're looking at a blueprint.

[Chris Ryan]

That was movie jail, though, where it's like a big. It's almost like a big recess.

[Van Lathan]

They take your stuff and they put it in the thing, but they're letting them.

[Bill]

I think it's like a holding cell.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, holding cell. Whatever. They had other motherfuckers in there.

[Bill]

I don't even know if those dudes have gotten processed.

[Van Lathan]

Why are they allowed to have a blueprint in there? To like. Like, look at a blueprint and stuff in there.

[Chris Ryan]

It's a good one. Sequel, Prequel. Prestige, tvl Blackcast. Untouchable. Sadly, we got sequels. This should have been an Untouchable. Sure, we should have been done. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the Florist, Ryan Ruko, Cus Johnson, Zane Low. What do you got?

[Bill]

CR I got Zayn. When Gozer shows up, he's just like, Zay Goza. Goza the Gozerian. It's great to see you, man or woman, because you take many forms, just like your music. Your music is undefinable. And so are you. But I have to say good evening. And as a duly designated representative of the city, county and state of New York, I order you to cease any and all supernatural activity and return forthwith to your place of origin or to the nearest convenient parallel dimension. And we'll be listening.

[Chris Ryan]

Zane was Wordy.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bill]

Wordy Zane. This time.

[Chris Ryan]

I want to introduce Shaquille o'. Neal.

[Bill]

Oh, my God.

[Chris Ryan]

As the inside. The NBA analyst analyzing the Ghostbusters movie and just saying, I thought the best person in the movie was Gozer the Grazerian. And then everybody kind of goes, okay, cool. And then they go to commercial. The others just want to ask her who gets it. The song.

[Bill]

Bill Murray.

[Van Lathan]

Venkman.

[Chris Ryan]

Venkman for Best Actor.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Bill]

The song that ripped off Huey Lewis gets best Oscar.

[Chris Ryan]

They didn't know at the time.

[Van Lathan]

The Venkman. I have Venkman.

[Chris Ryan]

See if Bill Murray winning the Oscar.

[Bill]

Well, who won in 1980? What was that?

[Chris Ryan]

I'm gonna look it up. I didn't.

[Bill]

Is it gonna be, like, raging?

[Chris Ryan]

Not in my nose.

[Van Lathan]

Gandhi 84. Let's. Can I guess? Gandhi? No. Chariots of Fire.

[Craig]

No, I. I just called to say I love you from Woman in Red.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, that won the Oscar. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

F. Murray Abraham and Amadeus.

[Bill]

It's fine.

[Chris Ryan]

Jeff Bridges in Starman. Albert Finney. Under the Volcano. Tom Holland.

[Bill]

Tom Holtz and Amadeus.

[Chris Ryan]

Honestly, Sam Waterston, the Killings. Fields was really good.

[Bill]

He's really good. I'm just saying. I'M not as far off as you think.

[Chris Ryan]

I like it. Cr. I respect it. Yeah, I think there could have been room for Albert Finney under the Volcano. I don't know what the fuck was going on there. Yeah. Had a bad call.

[Bill]

Thanks, bud.

[Chris Ryan]

Probably unanswerable questions. We just have to play out. Is this movie better or worse with Belushi than Bill Murray? And the answer is it's worse. Yeah, I love Belushi. That was one of my guys. I do think he needed this in the Belushi. IMDb if he hadn't, like, lost his mind and, you know, died of a drug overdose, this was the kind of movie that I think would have been great for him. He just didn't have it. He didn't have, like a leading man trying to be, like, dashing and just nothing like this. Which is probably why Bill Murray was writing it for him.

[Van Lathan]

He died on accurate. He was still on his climb when he passed away.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think this would have been a huge one for him.

[Bill]

Similar. Would you rather. Would be. Would you rather have this movie come out five years later, six years later? Slightly better special effects now because I.

[Chris Ryan]

I really feel like 84 was the. A quintessential year for this to come out. Yeah, I think it's like perfect timing of it. The Floyd Gondali Butter in my Ass and Lollipops in my Mouth award for something. I just enjoy the Key Master. Just a great nickname. Why? What are we doing? How is KD not the Key Master?

[Van Lathan]

Oh, KD the Key Master.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Bill]

Well, they got it. If you do Key Master, you have to also have the Gatekeeper.

[Chris Ryan]

So it's like maybe that. So Jason Tatum could have been the Key Master and Jalen Brown could have been the Gatekeeper.

[Van Lathan]

The Gatekeeper and the Key Master.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

But you have to have people that

[Bill]

like each other and you have to have people who know Ghostbusters.

[Van Lathan]

So you can't have those.

[Bill]

Maybe like. Yeah, that could be Steph Castle and Victor Weminyama.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. You have to have teammates, like, who

[Chris Ryan]

would have been the Key Master.

[Bill]

Wendy's the gatekeeper. He's. He's closing the door at the back of the back of the play.

[Chris Ryan]

Key Master is really good.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

They probably feel like my Floyd is

[Bill]

Bill Murray working a crowd. So when they first get out of ecto, when they get up to Dana's apartment at the end, and he's just like, you know him, you love him. It's Ray stance. Just like this guy has the city in the palm of his hand. This is crazy.

[Van Lathan]

Mine is the fireplace poles that you slide down.

[Bill]

Oh, fuck.

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, yeah, good one.

[Bill]

Like.

[Chris Ryan]

Like, let's go check it. That I can put that way up there.

[Van Lathan]

Like, I. I love that joint. Remember the old Batman show?

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Where they would start off as a plane and then slide down.

[Bill]

What are we doing? Do any of these hype houses have fucking fire poles?

[Van Lathan]

I haven't seen any.

[Chris Ryan]

You know what happened? The poles turned into strippers. Used for strippers.

[Bill]

Like somebody felt.

[Chris Ryan]

Stop thinking about them being conventional, going from up here to down here. And just think about women dancing on them.

[Van Lathan]

Women dance. I've seen some amazing things.

[Chris Ryan]

The secret handshake club memorial memorabilia you'd want from this movie. For me, it's one of the proton packs. There's got to be four total.

[Bill]

And we can't do ecto. Ecto one the car, right?

[Chris Ryan]

No, but that car is pretty crazy.

[Bill]

When he pulls up and Murray's like, you can't park that here.

[Van Lathan]

The look. The look on Murray's face when he tells him how much he paid for the car.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, they.

[Van Lathan]

They're in on him. And he just, like, gives that look. It's like 4800 bucks.

[Bill]

He needs new shocks, new brakes, new brake pads.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. How much? How much? 4, 800. And then the look that he gives. That car is still out there. Yeah, they have it out there when you go see it. I always wanted one of the proton packs.

[Bill]

I would do Ghostbusters jumpsuit.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Coach Finstock, Mr. Miyagi. Were best. Worst life lesson. Ghosts are real. It's my lesson. Don't underestimate them. Van.

[Van Lathan]

I'm not, you know. I believe in it.

[Chris Ryan]

Best double feature choice.

[Van Lathan]

Best.

[Bill]

I have Big Trouble in Little China, which I probably have picked before, but has a similar comic sci fi element to it.

[Van Lathan]

I had the Blues Brothers stay in the Siren.

[Bill]

It's a long night. Because Blues Brothers is a long movie.

[Chris Ryan]

I had Cop. Let's just go 84 Beverly Hills copy this Cop. Because Cop would be amazing. Who won the movie?

[Bill]

Murray.

[Van Lathan]

Peter Venkman won the movie. My friend. Bill Murray.

[Chris Ryan]

There's a Reitman case.

[Bill]

Yeah, for sure.

[Chris Ryan]

Looks.

[Bill]

Looks better than. It's. What? Very well directed.

[Chris Ryan]

Meatballs Stripes. He's now with this movie, becomes not only the premier comedy director of that generation, but as a director and producer just becomes a juggernaut. Goes right to Arnold Schwarzenegger, which is the kindergarten cop up and has this crazy run from what, 79 to 93 all the way through. Dave. 15 years and go. And Ghostbusters is the. The NBA Finals MVP for him.

[Bill]

Because you think about it. Not. I'm not slagging John Landis necessarily, but, like, if John Landis is directing this movie, there's like a 20 minute car crash scene in New York City. Like, you get, like, way more Stay Puft Marshmallow man than you need. There's like. There's just a lot more action. And Reitman just seems to know exactly why people will respond to this film.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, I had a bad job.

[Chris Ryan]

I would go, right, man. But you guys, who do you have for this?

[Craig]

I would go, Murray. Murray carries the hell out of this movie. Not that it's like he's the only reason it's good, but he is cooking.

[Bill]

If somebody was like, why? Why do you think Bill Murray's funny? I'd show him Ghostbusters.

[Craig]

Yeah. It also feels the most like he. Like the lines were not written and he was coming up with them, which I think you also have to give him credit for. That's kind of my takeaway, seeing this movie again, because it had been a really long time. It's crazy to me how movies like this, that feel so, like. I don't want to say unfinished, but movies that feel like they're kind of making it up as they go, where it's like the script wasn't really finished. Bill Murray just showed up last second. There was something I was reading about. Annie Potts just, like, showed up the day she needed to shoot. They had, like, no costume for her. She took, like, the hairdresser's glasses and put them on and then just wore those for the whole movie. It's just. It's so haphazard the way these things are thrown together. And it's just.

[Bill]

And now those glasses are kind of like, iconic. They're very.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Craig]

And it's just crazy how messy those. These movies were of this era and how they worked. And now that just wouldn't happen now. Everything would be so finished and glossy and purposeful and.

[Bill]

And safe.

[Craig]

And safe. And I think ultimately what's aged the best in this movie is just friends being in movies together, which is just like. You don't really see. She's just friends.

[Bill]

That's a good call.

[Van Lathan]

It is a good call.

[Chris Ryan]

Let's make a movie.

[Van Lathan]

We should.

[Craig]

Let's do it.

[Van Lathan]

What would our movie be about? The three of the four of us.

[Chris Ryan]

Four of us trying to find a bar in San Francisco after a live show.

[Bill]

That actually would be a really good start. Having a one Crazy night, movie.

[Chris Ryan]

Having a walk, six tenths of a block downhill and Mallory's dying. And then something happens.

[Craig]

No, it would be we record a podcast, guess in a house from a famous movie and then something happens in the house.

[Bill]

The Boogie Nights house.

[Craig]

Yeah, we're in the Boogie Nights house.

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, interesting.

[Bill]

Yeah.

[Craig]

Or we're in the Halloween house recording a rewatchables.

[Chris Ryan]

I think it's a one crazy night.

[Bill]

Yeah, it's one crazy night in San

[Chris Ryan]

Francisco because one of the five nights

[Bill]

of the year that you're like, we're drinking tonight.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, you know, you know what the name of the movie is?

[Chris Ryan]

Dan's ordering pizzas.

[Van Lathan]

We order pizza to the bar. The movie is cool.

[Bill]

What's the cocktail that you kept getting?

[Van Lathan]

I can't remember.

[Craig]

Bananas, a banana something.

[Bill]

Banana Raptor.

[Craig]

Banana Rama.

[Van Lathan]

Banana Rama. The. The name of the. The name of the movie is Live show.

[Chris Ryan]

And it's about Live show.

[Van Lathan]

That's. It's about doing a live show in a place. It's the big live show and everything goes wrong. Yeah, that's the name of the movie. Live Show.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. We learned that night when Van says, I shouldn't tell you this because I've had too much to drink.

[Craig]

That's a great bar though.

[Chris Ryan]

Shouts out that bar. Buckle up at that point.

[Bill]

Peacekeeper.

[Craig]

That was a good bar.

[Van Lathan]

Peacekeeper. Bar.

[Chris Ryan]

Peacekeeper.

[Craig]

It's a great bar.

[Chris Ryan]

Great bar.

[Bill]

Great.

[Chris Ryan]

One of the only bars in San Francisco Open past 9:30 at night.

[Van Lathan]

Everywhere.

[Bill]

I said that to a couple of people who stared at me like I was out of my mind. So obviously we were in the wrong.

[Van Lathan]

We were probably in the wrong part of town. But whatever they talking about, they full of shit. Because we would go places, they'd be like, it's 9:15, get the fuck out.

[Chris Ryan]

And then we went and got coffee. What was the name of that place?

[Bill]

Coffee.

[Craig]

Coffee Movement.

[Bill]

Coffee Movement.

[Chris Ryan]

Coffee Movement. Waited online for 10 minutes, which violates everything I believe in.

[Craig]

It's close though.

[Chris Ryan]

Literally everything. And then they only had 10 ounce cups, so you got two. So I had to get two 10 ounce coffees.

[Bill]

It was really funny.

[Chris Ryan]

And guess what? It was fucking delicious. It was worth it. I'd wait on that line again.

[Van Lathan]

I had a fun time, man. I rode the trolley. We went to the game.

[Chris Ryan]

San Francisco's the best.

[Van Lathan]

It was amazing.

[Chris Ryan]

When are we going back? Crowd was great.

[Van Lathan]

Crowd was great. The theater was great.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, great.

[Van Lathan]

Theater ended up being great.

[Bill]

Tony V making moves with the Giants lineup.

[Van Lathan]

We were at that one place that was at the top of the hotel.

[Craig]

Top of the. Top of the.

[Bill]

Top of the mark.

[Van Lathan]

Top of the top of the mark.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Had drinks. Beautiful. We were starving, kicked out, no food.

[Bill]

They looked at us like we were the fucking outsiders. Just walked in.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, it's definitely a secret handshake. Club city. And we didn't know the handshake for food and bars, but I still like San Francisco. Van Cr. Thank you. Craig Gahao. Thank you. Thanks to Eduardo as well. Anybody else, Matt? Matt.

[Bill]

Shout out.

[Chris Ryan]

All right, next. Next month we're it's gonna be a comedy month. Netflix is a joke. We're doing a bunch of comedies in May, so stay tuned. Thanks, guys.

[Bill]

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