‘Halloween 4’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

Summary

Episode Summary: The Rewatchables – ‘Halloween 4’ with Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

Overview

In this engaging episode of The Rewatchables, hosted by Bill Simmons, the panel comprising Chris Ryan and Van Lathan delves deep into the cult classic horror film Halloween 4: The Return of Michael Myers. Released on October 29, 2024, the discussion navigates through the film's plot intricacies, character developments, and its enduring legacy within the Halloween franchise. The panelists share their personal insights, critical analyses, and memorable moments from the movie, providing both nostalgia and fresh perspectives for longtime fans and newcomers alike.

Background on 'Halloween 4' and Franchise Continuity

Halloween 4 marked a significant turn in the Halloween series, reintroducing Michael Myers after a decade-long absence. The film attempted to revitalize the franchise by bringing back the iconic antagonist, questioning the sustainability of horror franchises when the protagonist is eliminated.

Key Discussion Points:

1. Franchise Revival and Michael Myers' Return

   • Rob Harvilla opens the discussion by questioning the feasibility of continuing a horror series after killing its main villain: "How do you keep a horror movie franchise going after you've murdered the protagonist of the movie?" ([01:43]).
   • Chris Ryan echoes the sentiment, highlighting the 1980s approach: "We had a much different relationship to franchises. We met. We had a lot fewer questions back then." ([03:03]).

2. Character Analysis: Michael Myers

   • The panel dissects Michael Myers' resilience and enigmatic nature, emphasizing his almost supernatural persistence despite numerous attempts to kill him: "He is just a force. He wants to kill this little girl. You don't even really need to know the reason why he needs to kill. He just is." ([11:09]).
   • Diane praises Myers as "the Aaron Donald of slashers," commending his physical prowess and unyielding determination ([11:11]).

3. Dr. Loomis: The Flawed Savior

   • Rob Harvilla critiques Dr. Loomis' effectiveness, pointing out inconsistencies and his seemingly autopilot approach: "He still knows how to drive even though he never learned because he had been locked up since age 6." ([03:48]).
   • Diane expresses frustration with Loomis, deeming him "ridiculously useless" and a hindrance to resolving the chaos: "I hate him. I hate him. Like, to me, Loomis makes me sick." ([08:26]).

4. Plot Critiques and Logical Inconsistencies

   • The panelists identify several plot holes and unrealistic scenarios in Halloween 4. For instance, Michael Myers navigating the town effortlessly despite previous portrayals where his physical limitations were evident: "But it ends up in the same drugstore as his niece. She's trying on stuff. What are the odds?" ([77:38]).
   • Chris Ryan questions the plausibility of Dr. Loomis' jurisdiction and his overreliance on firearms: "What do you do with this? I have an idea." ([05:06]).

5. Memorable Scenes and Kills

   • Diane highlights the roof battle as her favorite and most rewatchable scene, appreciating its intensity and choreography: "Yeah, I love that. That's my favorite part." ([35:07]).
   • Rob Harvilla points out the effectiveness of Michael’s kills, such as crushing Brady’s jaw and the iconic finger-through-forehead scene: "I like the finger through the forehead's great. And I like when he kills Don Dawson." ([59:39]).

6. Humor and Light-Hearted Commentary

   • The discussion often veers into humorous territory, with remarks about Michael Myers' seemingly effortless ability to navigate and his presence in unexpected places: "He just kind of goes back and kill." ([82:31]).
   • Diane amusingly theorizes Michael as a natural force enforcing "natural selection," positioning him as the hero of the movie: "I theorize that Michael Myers is actually a natural force… and that Michael Myers actually is the hero of this movie." ([63:28]).

7. Critical Reception and Legacy

   • The panel reflects on the film's initial reception versus its current standing, noting that while it was once criticized, it has grown on many as a staple of late '80s horror: "But there's belated respect for this movie. And I think people now seem to feel like this is probably the best slasher movie of the mid late 80s." ([24:12]).

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Rob Harvilla [03:03]: "We had a much different relationship to franchises. We met. We had a lot fewer questions back then."
• Diane [11:11]: "He's the Aaron Donald of slashers, right?"
• Chris Ryan [05:06]: "What do you do with this? I have an idea."
• Diane [35:07]: "Yeah, I love that. That's my favorite part."
• Rob Harvilla [59:39]: "I like the finger through the forehead's great. And I like when he kills Don Dawson."
• Diane [63:28]: "I theorize that Michael Myers is actually a natural force… and that Michael Myers actually is the hero of this movie."

Insights and Analysis

The panelists collectively argue that Halloween 4 serves as both a continuation and a divergence from its predecessors. While it attempts to deepen Michael Myers' mythology by introducing a familial connection, it simultaneously grapples with maintaining suspense and plausibility within its narrative.

Conclusion

Halloween 4: The Return of Michael Myers stands as a pivotal entry in the Halloween franchise, embodying the challenges of reviving a beloved series while attempting to introduce new elements. Through the lens of Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Van Lathan, and their fellow panelists, the episode offers a nuanced exploration of the film's strengths and shortcomings. Their lively discussion not only celebrates the movie's enduring appeal but also critically examines the decisions that have shaped its legacy, making this episode a must-listen for horror aficionados and casual fans alike.

Transcript

[Rob Harvilla]

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[Diane]

Yep, and it still is. I even work overnight.

[Rob Harvilla]

Huh?

[Diane]

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[Rob Harvilla]

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[Diane]

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[Rob Harvilla]

And here I was bragging about my kids.

[Diane]

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[Rob Harvilla]

The Rewatchables, brought to you by the Ringer Podcast Network, where you can find higher learning. Yo, yo, Midnight boys.

[Diane]

Pew, pew.

[Rob Harvilla]

The watch. Yeah, you can find the Rewatchable. Scary month. This is our last edition, and I wanted to do Halloween 4, the return of Michael Myers. And there's a lot of reasons why, but let's play the trailer first. Ten years ago, Halloween Evil had a shape. Terror had a night. And now he's back. Six bodies, Sherry. That's what I've seen. I tell you, Michael Myers is here in this town. Halloween 4, the return of Michael Myers. He's come home to kill. Halloween 4, rated R. Starts Friday, October 21, at theaters everywhere. All right, CR&VAN are here. How do you keep a horror movie franchise going after you've murdered the protagonist of the movie? This was a question of the 80s. There's money at stake. We fucked up. We shouldn't have ended that last movie that way. What do we do? And in the 80s and the early 90s, the answer was. Ah, fuck it. Maybe they won't remember what we did. Let's bring it back. And that's Halloween 4.

[Chris Ryan]

We had a much different relationship to franchises. We met. We had a lot fewer questions back then.

[Rob Harvilla]

Really? No questions. We had no Internet. We had no podcasts. We had no real analysis. We didn't hold things against people. We weren't rewatching stuff a million times. Somehow he lived. Van he was stabbed in the eye with a wire hanger. He was shot 11 times. He was shot in both eyes at the end of Halloween 2. Both eyes done blind. Just flailing around. Blown up, burned to death. Burned to death. Saw it. Saw the mask burning. Then went in a 10 year coma even though he's already dead. Kept all of his muscle and his eyesight much like Steven Seagal in I think it was above the law. That's true.

[Chris Ryan]

Much like me.

[Rob Harvilla]

Hard to kill.

[Diane]

Hard to kill in a coma.

[Rob Harvilla]

But it was immediately ready to kill.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. A lot of acupuncture though.

[Diane]

Killing Brock brings him back to life.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

Uh, he still knows how to drive even though he never learned because he had been locked up since age 6. He still knows how to get everywhere with no map and no navigation system and still knows how to turn off electricity, phones and power lines.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

He's back baby.

[Diane]

This. So what a lot of these guys, they started as slashers and then they turned supernatural. Yeah, but they always give you an explanation as to why they turn supernatural. It always. And Halloween they never do. I was asking CR they get into it in six. In six?

[Rob Harvilla]

Well the 4, 5, 6 are called the Thorne trilogy where they try to come up with this supernatural mythology behind Myers. Mythology around Myers. And let's just say it did not work.

[Diane]

I mean you watch him and he is. I mean he's like. He's got the instincts, right. Like I'm looking at him and he actually should have like play football like Drake May. Yeah, he's got the instincts.

[Rob Harvilla]

It's like look at him scramble. Look at Byers, look at him navigate the roof. This guy has it all.

[Diane]

You know he steps up in the pocket, he steps up in the house. He steps up behind something he's behind somewhere.

[Rob Harvilla]

Flip through the forehead, knows where.

[Diane]

He knows exactly the way to kill. You give him something, he turns it into a kill. You give him, he stabs it through you. Blunt.

[Rob Harvilla]

Give him any objects. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

If he's at a garage, he's gonna use the tools he's got in shotgun.

[Rob Harvilla]

What do I do with this? I have an idea.

[Diane]

Take you throw you into the electric and you end up burnt up in the whole nine.

[Chris Ryan]

I think you bring up a really good point though which is that this franchise in particular, but you could make the argument for a bunch of the things that came out in 1988 which was a banner year for late period.

[Rob Harvilla]

Horror franchises and shameless sequels.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, we had Nightmare on Elm Street 4, the Dream Master. We had Friday the 13th, Part 7, the New Blood. We also had Halloween 4, obviously, and then they kicked off Child's play and Hellraiser 2 happened that year. So it was a lot of the big banner horror movies. We run our franchises so much differently now, like where it's just this meticulous Easter egg and connections and everything's building up to this. And Halloween's the one that I kind of wish we could have had a do over on.

[Rob Harvilla]

I couldn't agree more, even though I.

[Chris Ryan]

Love so many of these movies and even have a huge soft spite for Spot for three.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

If they had been like, how do we want to roll this out over the years, I think it would just be like, unquestionably the heavyweight champ of all time horror franchises.

[Rob Harvilla]

You know what happened Friday the 13th? What'd you say it was the seventh one in 1988.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

It was New Blood, so the first one was 1980. So think about that. They're basically making one a year, and in each one the guy dies, but then somehow comes back. And probably the Halloween producers at some point were like, what are we doing? There's money on the money out there. Let's bring Myers back. Well, we can't. He burned to death and got shot in both eyes. They're like, ah, you know what?

[Diane]

We've.

[Rob Harvilla]

They just did it.

[Diane]

You know, what we've lost in the movies now, we don't have the desire now to necessarily kill the demon at the end of the movie.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah.

[Diane]

The horror movies now seem to be more about how the people that are in the horror movies escape their torment.

[Chris Ryan]

Yes.

[Diane]

Rather than how they thwart the demon thing at the end. Because even like Scream. Right. It's almost as if Ghostface is a totem, a mantle that different people will pick up when they need to kind of. It lives forever.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah.

[Diane]

But whereas Michael Myers, Freddy, Jason, these are dudes.

[Chris Ryan]

They pretty much, in Scream did the thing that, as an amateur, like, Internet sleuth of unproduced Halloween screenplays and summaries of those screenplays, Scream pretty much does what a couple of the Halloween movies that didn't get made by Carpenter and others suggested, which was that it's not Michael Myers who just keeps getting up out of the mineshaft or out of the explosion. It's this evil that, like, will infect different people in different ways. And sometimes they can wear the mask or sometimes they can just.

[Rob Harvilla]

Which I think is what they try to do at the end of this movie, because she Has a moment with Myers and then it transitions.

[Chris Ryan]

It's one of the best moments of the franchise. And they just, like, basically skip it. Or not skip it, but they rewrite it in five because it's a bit.

[Diane]

That's a big swing.

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, my God, the kids.

[Diane]

A gigantic swing. Useless. Most useless person in any horror franchise ever. Loomis. Just ridiculously useless.

[Rob Harvilla]

Are we doing this now?

[Diane]

Oh, God.

[Rob Harvilla]

Come on.

[Diane]

Always hate him. Always. Always.

[Chris Ryan]

Does Loomis replace Vincent Chase?

[Craig]

Wow.

[Diane]

One of the most. A dude who essentially exists just to warn people and not really do shit about it.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah.

[Diane]

You've never seen anything like this. You're gonna help us out. I will be getting a donut.

[Rob Harvilla]

He's kind of like the Myers hype man. It's like Bundini Brown for Myers. This guy's a killing machine. You don't understand what he is.

[Chris Ryan]

I think a lot of that is like, what can Donald Pleasence feasibly do. You know what I mean? He can walk into rooms and be like, michael Myers is back, but they can't have him do kung fu against Michael Myers.

[Diane]

I get it, but shouldn't he be testifying before the Senate?

[Chris Ryan]

We got.

[Rob Harvilla]

You got.

[Chris Ryan]

Hold on. Because, like, so many questions.

[Diane]

Okay. Oh, yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

About where Dr. Loomis jurisdiction begins and ends.

[Diane]

Right?

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

Well, the big thing with Loomis, it's. It's. It's autopilot. I'm getting paid in cash. Dr. Loomis in this one where every line that he's ripping off, it just feels like he's. He's just like. All right, fine. We're not talking about a normal prisoner. Hoffman talking about evil on two legs. He's the man. But just say he's not even. His heart's not even in anymore. Like, you think when we did the Halloween pot originally a couple years ago, we talked about, like, he had these brilliant monologues in it, and he just. These ways of spinning stuff. And he was like. I looked in his eyes, the blackest eyes, the devil's eyes. And we're like, oh, shit, yeah. Myers now. And then this.

[Chris Ryan]

He's just evil on two legs. I want to ask why you like this one? Because I have my reasons. But I'm curious because I think this is. You talked about it on Guess. The Lions as like, a comedy almost, and there are some funny parts of it, but I find. I think this is a really effective.

[Rob Harvilla]

I think it's got some really scary scenes. It's on cable a lot. It Almost. Other than Halloween one was probably the most rerun movie. I'm sure it's gonna be on AMC and all these other ones over the next couple days. Super easy watch. It doesn't really have any dead spots. It's ridiculous, but not like completely over the top ridiculous. I really like how charismatic Myers is in this. I wrote down some things. I enjoyed how he climbs and walks the roof, undertaker style. Like when the undertaker used to walk on the top rope. He drives a truck from the gas station. He's like, fuck it. Maybe. Maybe in the mental hospital, I don't know, maybe they learned how to, like, do stick shift.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, he learned how to release the clutch.

[Rob Harvilla]

I like when he does. He kills the guy. And then he does. He gets in the recliner, pretends he's the guy. This little subterfuge before his murder, he's really. He's gone to the next level. He. I like when he tosses the furniture out of the way when he's in the attic, he's just like throwing boxes and the pickup truck move when he hides under the pickup truck, pulls up, climbs, throws all those guys out, does the windshield. Like. It's some really good, athletic Meyer stuff.

[Diane]

So I'm saying I got him.

[Rob Harvilla]

I think he did well in the combine this year.

[Diane]

He's the Aaron Donald of slashers, right? He can throw, he can explode. He can beat the double team, mentally. The Aaron Donald of slashers. I like, first of all, I care about this one because this is the first one that I ever saw. This is the first Halloween movie I ever saw. And to me, this one is a very pure representation of who Myers is. He's just a force. He wants to kill this little girl. You don't even really need to know the reason why he needs to kill. He just is. Yeah, he just is. And he will not be stopped. And everybody else just kind of gets caught in the way of his vendetta against this one person for one reason, and it's going to have a high body count.

[Rob Harvilla]

Well, the other thing, Chris, is I like. You know, the big theme of this is this kid comes from Haddonfield, he kills his sister. It becomes this legendary story in the town. And then he comes back in 1978, kills a bunch of babysitters, a bunch of people. Now it's like he's like basically Aaron Rodgers against the bears in the 2000.

[Chris Ryan]

2000, kind of Sean here.

[Rob Harvilla]

But yeah, yeah, like, just. It's like he owns Haddonfield. And even when they have Halloween every year, he still kind of. His shadows kind of lurking.

[Chris Ryan]

Yes.

[Rob Harvilla]

So as soon as it's, like, clear that he might come back, you have this vigilante mob who's just getting drunk at some bar and they're like, oh, boom. And they're fucking out and they're trucks with guns. Like, I like the idea of somebody tormenting a town.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. And I also think that they do a really good job in this movie in a subtle way. This movie is not so subtle in some other ways, but the. The idea that, like, Haddonfield is the real star of this franchise and that, like, what? Like, when this town starts to forget.

[Rob Harvilla]

Even though it's filmed in Salt Lake.

[Chris Ryan]

City this time, I hadn't feel, quote.

[Rob Harvilla]

Unquote, but leaves dumped on the street. Why couldn't they go back to the original place? What the fuck? I don't know.

[Chris Ryan]

Tax credits. The idea that basically, like, as soon as this town forgets. Like, even with the Sasha Jensen character, Brady.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

And she's like, you remember Michael Myers? And he's like, who's that? Like, it's 10 years ago. He would have been, like, you know, 7 years old. But he's, like, grown up in a world where that's, like, kind of an urban legend. I love the idea that they keep going back to this and that, like, the town is somehow culpable of it. And it happens in multiple movies where a girl will be running up the streets, like, screaming, help, help. And nobody comes out of their houses. Like, there is some. Like, it's the town's fault.

[Rob Harvilla]

I'm telling you, he's here. He's in this town. I like what you said there about the missed opportunities. You said it like, three, four minutes ago about, like, if we could just go back in time and redo this franchise correctly. I feel like it's unassailably the best one.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

Even. Like, if they. They even fucked up with this, like, they probably should have created a new Myers heading to four. They're like, fuck it, let's bring him back.

[Chris Ryan]

It's worth.

[Rob Harvilla]

But the little girl. Like, I feel like that for Halloween five with the little girl. Like, they could have just gone that direction. With what maybe she becomes Michelle Myers.

[Chris Ryan]

And there has been basically, like, there was a script or at least a pitch of Jamie is now the evil. And it's like, how are we gonna extract the evil from Jaime? Or is this like a disease that she has? And, like, there's Jamie, the killer ideas floating out there. I think what you basically get is the first two. So obviously Carpenter does the first One, it's this iconic, never to be repeated masterpiece.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Then you have two, which is made by a Carpenter disciple. And very much like Carpenter is involved in that movie.

[Rob Harvilla]

Dan likes that one. Cause it's just a lot of nudity.

[Diane]

In there, going crazy. But I also like it. He essentially. That's like an extension of John Carpenter. Right. He taps that guy to do it. He doesn't want to do it. He has some other things. The mythology behind the series to me are as interesting as the movies themselves.

[Chris Ryan]

Yes. And then so three happens, which I.

[Diane]

Had never seen until. I had never seen it ever, while I watched it this weekend when I was watching this one. And I kind of like what they did.

[Chris Ryan]

And for me, 50%.

[Diane]

Well, I like this. First of all, I love, like, those types of horror films. I've talked about them a lot. But, like, I like the fact that they tried to get away from it. They tried to do something.

[Chris Ryan]

They tried to do something different. And they tried to come up with an idea of, like, what if Halloween could be essentially an umbrella that we could throw all these, like, horror ideas under.

[Diane]

Right.

[Chris Ryan]

And for me, 51% of why I like these movies is Michael and like the Strode family drama and all that stuff. But 49% of it is vibes. That's why I Hate 5 is because it feels the least vibey consistently.

[Rob Harvilla]

I do like seeing them float down the river at the beginning, but after that.

[Chris Ryan]

But that almost feels like footage from four that they used. You know what I mean? Like, five is like, more or less like it looks like they shot it in Fresno. It just doesn't have any Halloween feel like the town doesn't feel like Haddonfield. But this one actually, especially the opening credits sequence in 4, really is just like super, super Halloween atmosphere.

[Rob Harvilla]

You made this point in the Halloween pod. We did that. It's one of, like, how many movies that you have to watch at a specific time every year. We talked about it extensively about, like, I've watched Halloween every year. I started making my kids watch it when they were five. We went to the Halloween houses.

[Diane]

Five?

[Rob Harvilla]

Oh, yeah. I would just. The two scenes that you can't watch, we would just skip over those.

[Chris Ryan]

My wife and I watch horror movies together. I told her I was doing four. She was like, I love four. She was a kid when she saw them. So Daniel Harris was like. She was closer to Daniel Harris's age than she was Jamie Lee Curtis or whatever. So she has, like this soft spot, especially for four. But we were watching four, and as soon as it comes on, and it's like the ghost hanging from the tree.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

The pumpkins, the weird fields, the leaves blowing. She's like, I feel, like, so Halloweened out right now. Like, I'm so in the zone. And this movie immediately put me there.

[Diane]

Perfect.

[Chris Ryan]

Because it's the soundtrack in the image.

[Rob Harvilla]

Couple of Christmas movies, right? Like Christmas Vacation, Home Alone. Some people have Die Hard. Even though it's not a Christmas movie. Home Alone, 34th Street.

[Diane]

I mean, I'm old, so It's a Wonderful Life. I still will watch and all of that stuff like that.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah. But there's not that many. It's this time of year. We always said Jaws at the beginning of the summer. It felt like right around July. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

It's time to watch. What was the mayor's name?

[Chris Ryan]

Brody. No, not Brody. It's the.

[Rob Harvilla]

We compared. In the first part, we did, we.

[Chris Ryan]

Compared the Mare Von Mare Vaughn.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah. Marevan. We compared Marevan to the sheriff in Halloween 1.

[Diane]

Mm.

[Rob Harvilla]

Cause Loomis is just like, look, this guy, he's got the blackest eyes ever. He's Satan. He's evil. He's come to kill everybody. And the guy's like, more fancy talk. He's just, like, not listening to him at all. Doesn't put the word out.

[Chris Ryan]

I like that. The sheriff in this one is just like, oh, shit. Well, yeah.

[Diane]

A man of action.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Diane]

I like this movie because. And I've always felt this way. You can watch this movie in, like, however way you want to. Like, I can watch this movie as a comedy. And me and my brother, we used to.

[Rob Harvilla]

Every Loomis scene is hilarious.

[Diane]

Every Loomis scene is hilarious.

[Chris Ryan]

And every Kelly Meeker scene is incredible.

[Diane]

And oftentimes when Michael Myers pops up, it's kind of funny. Yeah, it's like when Michael Myers, like, they're running around, and I'm like, oh, my God, Michael. Mike has no emotion. Mike is like, I'm back, bitch. Like, he just. And every. When he pops up sometimes, and it's so funny. They're so helpless and they're so scared. He's showing no emotion. There's nothing that they can do. When old boy from Dazed and Confused is trying to load the gun.

[Chris Ryan]

Brady.

[Diane]

Yeah, When Brady's trying to load the gun, I'm dying laughing.

[Chris Ryan]

It's so funny.

[Diane]

Like, Brady, you're fucked, bro.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah.

[Diane]

Like, Brady, run.

[Rob Harvilla]

Just give him your head so he can twist it.

[Diane]

Brady, you need to run like you're fucked if you stay here.

[Chris Ryan]

And Brady ends up that scene. Is that kill is so funny because you're like, oh, he's going over the railing. He's definitely going over the railing. He's going to throw him over the railing. He's like, nope, he's just gonna crunch his throat.

[Rob Harvilla]

I always felt like there was a copycat thing they could have done where Myers dies, but somebody became obsessed with the murder. That's what Scream does. The new Michael Myers, Right?

[Chris Ryan]

That's what Scream does.

[Rob Harvilla]

That's kind of what Halloween 456 should have been, too.

[Diane]

You get.

[Chris Ryan]

They get caught in between. Because essentially what you could do is you could have just made Halloween over and over again. And honestly, I would go. And the producer of this movie, Mustafa Akkad, like, he, I think is obviously, like, probably, given the amount of scripts that get thrown out, a difficult person to work for. But on the other hand is like, this is what Halloween is, and this is what Halloween movies should be. And this is why people keep coming back to them. And the reason is that you have a guy terrorizing a babysitter. And it's like, essentially they create that. They have a new Halloween setup in this movie, but they also are getting pulled to, like. I think Loomis is the thing that. It's like he's the one who remembers all of the movies. So every time you have Loomis in there, he's like, he's back. He's ice. You know, like shot of eight times. But it's almost like you could just keep making Friday the 13th over and over again. And it's like another group of kids go to Camp Crystal Lake and have no idea what they're getting into.

[Diane]

But also, they're in. Which is interesting at this time, they're in a franchise war as well. They're in a franchise war against.

[Rob Harvilla]

Which is why we had this movie.

[Diane]

Against Friday the 13th. They're in a franchise war. They got young upstarts. Hellraiser is coming along later on. The leprechaun's gonna come in. They're in a franchise race against these big, huge horror movies. And the mythology of the one dude is, like, super important to all of those guys. You know what I mean?

[Rob Harvilla]

So you were a Myers guy?

[Chris Ryan]

Sure.

[Rob Harvilla]

Over Jason?

[Chris Ryan]

Yes.

[Rob Harvilla]

Over Freddy? Yes.

[Chris Ryan]

The only competition for me is Leatherface.

[Diane]

Kruger, to me, was the funniest. He was the most terrifying. Like I was telling Chris outside the Freddy scene, where he's telling the people that they can't kill him, and he cuts all of his fingers off. I've been stabbed, shot Blah, blah, blah. And I just keep coming back. He just was the man. He was the most charismatic out of all of them, but he was also the most verbose. The other guys didn't really talk.

[Rob Harvilla]

Myers checked the most boxes. He didn't talk, though. Super horny. Always dating back to Halloween 1. I think it really starts when he was like 6 and the premature ejaculator came over to hook up with his sister. And that really launched him into complete chaos. You mentioned the guy from Dazed and Confused, Sasha Jensen, who played Don Dawson. It's hilarious that he's in this movie.

[Chris Ryan]

It's like this. There's Paul Rudd is in 6.

[Diane]

Get.

[Rob Harvilla]

Some of the cameos are great.

[Chris Ryan]

Depp is in Nightmare.

[Rob Harvilla]

No, Depp's in Nightmare.

[Chris Ryan]

No, I know. I'm saying when you watch these movies and someone legitimately either big or was in a much better form.

[Diane]

Kevin Bacon, Friday.

[Rob Harvilla]

Josh Gardner.

[Chris Ryan]

I can't believe this is happening.

[Rob Harvilla]

So this movie, when it came out, I remember my buddy Jeff, who was, you know, best man in my wedding. We love the Halloween movies. And we thought these were done. And then I was in college, he was in college. All of a sudden the trailer came out. We were like, oh, my God. So we saw it same day and then had a call after. We were like, a little disappointed. It was good. But we were like, ah, why didn't they do this?

[Chris Ryan]

What do you think you didn't like about it? Was it. Was it the.

[Rob Harvilla]

I think our hopes were just too high. But then it had been some time.

[Diane]

Since you had seen Michael Myers in a while.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah, it had been since 81. Right. So seven years and really had high expectations. The trailer was better than the movie. And we were really disappointed in Loomis, who just. It was a little bit of a mail in job by pleasance. But then as the years pass, it really grew on me. And I think if you're going to do the lineage correctly, you probably go 1, 2, H2O. The 2018 one. You're probably good with those four. But I still defend Halloween four.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, I go 1, 2, 4. Not in my ranking, but just like if you wanted to watch how it should go. And I 1, 2, 4. And then maybe H2O and then you should definitely watch three because it's just such a cool idea.

[Rob Harvilla]

I think the problem with 4 is they kill off Laura Strode and they don't explain it. So she was 18 in Halloween 1, 21 in Halloween 2, and somehow had a kid like right after that. But then they make it seem like, she died. So.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. Car crash, right?

[Rob Harvilla]

Is that what they said it was?

[Chris Ryan]

I think so.

[Rob Harvilla]

Childbirth, death, drugs, parachute didn't open. Possibility.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

Dui. I don't know. But they. But. But I don't know how four can relate to H2O if she's dead in four.

[Diane]

Any of those.

[Chris Ryan]

I think in H2O, she said, like, it's like she faked her death and I got a new identity.

[Diane]

Any of those.

[Chris Ryan]

But I don't know what happens with Jamie.

[Diane]

I could blame Myers for. I could blame Myers for getting her liquored up.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah.

[Diane]

I could blame Myers for doing the Freddie thing again. Yeah. Like, any of those things. Myers could all be behind it. H2O was my favorite for a long time. Cause I was like. I was in high school and had. Was it cool Rappers Rain. It was Busta Rhymes.

[Chris Ryan]

That's the one. That's like the Big Brother house. You're thinking of LL Cool J and H2O.

[Diane]

H2O. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like.

[Rob Harvilla]

Which is right in that teen movie era of Scream. And I know he did last summer, H2O.

[Diane]

And then she's back.

[Chris Ryan]

She's back in Michelle Williams, isn't it?

[Diane]

Michelle Williams.

[Rob Harvilla]

So it's like, that's another great actor in A Halloween.

[Chris Ryan]

And there's a great. There's a couple of really Great Kills in H2O.

[Rob Harvilla]

H2 is good.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, I like it.

[Rob Harvilla]

I like H2. Anyway, there's belated respect for this movie. And I think people now seem to feel like this is probably the best slasher movie of the mid late 80s.

[Chris Ryan]

Do you know what this. Watching this movie basically does is. It's the closest I get to the feeling I have when I would sneak into horror movies when I was a kid where I didn't have very high expectations. I kind of wanted to see some sex and violence and sheep thrills. And then you go and you sit down and you watch this and you get. You just start laughing the second. It's like only two people are picking up Michael Myers at the asylum. You know, it's just like, we're in for it, man. Like, not a SWAT team, not a prison convoy. This guy's responsible for 20 kills.

[Rob Harvilla]

Also, I had this for nitpicks later. Like, why was he being transferred? He's got a transfer.

[Chris Ryan]

He talks about that. We get to it, but I just didn't make sense. The second it starts, you're like, leave.

[Rob Harvilla]

Him in the fucking. Wherever he is now where he's not.

[Chris Ryan]

But it's a dark and stormy Night at a mental institution. And I'm like, this is great. This is such a great B movie experience.

[Rob Harvilla]

Also, this passes the Craig Horlbeck test. It's like 90 minutes. Might even be less.

[Craig]

88, I think.

[Rob Harvilla]

88.

[Diane]

Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

It just cruises through. Yeah, he gets it done. There's no extra scenes. So the Thorn trilogy.

[Chris Ryan]

Craig, did your. Did your dad have a cops do it by the book T shirt?

[Craig]

If he didn't, I would be very upset.

[Rob Harvilla]

Oh, I can't wait to talk about that.

[Diane]

Did you fill it out as well as the lady in this movie?

[Craig]

I don't think so.

[Rob Harvilla]

The Thorn trilogy was basically that Michael was a victim of the curse of Thorn, which is shown in Halloween 5.

[Chris Ryan]

There's a guy who shows up intermittently in 5, a man in black who has a wrist tattoo that's like an old rune. And it's the Thorn cult that basically.

[Rob Harvilla]

Said, if this person doesn't destroy his whole family, then all of us are going to die. So we need this person to just keep executing everybody.

[Diane]

The whole cult dies.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah, right? And it was really stupid, and people didn't like it. And by the time we got to H20, we were like, let's start over. We fucked this up. $5 million budget made. 17.8 million. Roger Ebert. No review.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

Didn't touch this. Like, not on his TV show.

[Chris Ryan]

Like, protest. No review or.

[Rob Harvilla]

I couldn't find it.

[Diane]

Oh.

[Rob Harvilla]

I checked out ChatGPT, and they told me that Roger Ebert was notably critical of Halloween 4 and that in his review, he called it a cynical retread of the original movie. And don't do this, bitch. No, this is a bad trend.

[Craig]

Such a cursed category. Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

Apparently there was a review. It's just not online.

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, okay.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Okay.

[Rob Harvilla]

So this is so somehow Chat GBT knew the review, but thought it was a cynical retread. The original movie.

[Diane]

I don't like it. I don't like this.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, it's. This new thing is like, let's just. Because he's gonna have. The thing is, it starts here, and then it's AI. He's gonna have, like, Chat GP Chris and Chat GP Sean. And it'll be like, bill.

[Diane]

This is how it happens.

[Chris Ryan]

Bill in, like, his house somewhere. And I'll be like, One of us will be like, oh, we can't make 12:30. And Bill's like, never mind. I know someone who can. Chat GP Van can do it.

[Diane]

Starts wearing turtlenecks and talking about the new technological frontier here at the ringer.

[Rob Harvilla]

Well, it said it also Said Raj was super attracted to the sheriff's daughter. I don't know if that's true. That's not true. All right, we're going to do most rewatchable scenes, which is brought to you by the Home Depot. Spread more joy with the Home Depot's giant holiday decor. You a holiday decor guy?

[Diane]

I am.

[Rob Harvilla]

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[Chris Ryan]

Cr. I was going to say, are you.

[Rob Harvilla]

Like a late November guy or early December guy?

[Chris Ryan]

This is my Christmas tree day after Thanksgiving.

[Rob Harvilla]

Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

But Home Depot also for any of our aspiring Michael Myers, you can find all number of probably pitchforks. Oh yeah, machetes, chains.

[Diane]

Was there ever a scene where Michael.

[Rob Harvilla]

Myers shopping at the Home Depot?

[Diane]

No, I'm serious. Where they went in there.

[Craig]

There should have been a Michael Myers scene at the Home Depot.

[Chris Ryan]

They should have a Michael Myers aisle.

[Rob Harvilla]

Of stuff that they could use and leave sharp objects.

[Chris Ryan]

Just a free idea. Take it or leave it. I am not being paid to make this idea.

[Diane]

The only person that ever did it was Denzel and the Equalizers where he would and use all the different things.

[Chris Ryan]

He gets them in.

[Diane]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

Well, you can really go big with larger than life decor at the Home Depot. A tree you could put together in few clicks like the Grand Duchess. An eight foot towering Santa with posable arms and a flame effect lantern. Or an 8 and a half foot towering reindeer with illuminated flashing bells. The Home Depot for a real blockbuster holiday season. Most rewatchable scene, the opening scene, the credits and all that stuff is just great. Yeah, I love it very. They just did a great job.

[Chris Ryan]

Dwight H. Little, director of this movie, apparently did a lot of research on like Halloween traditions and fall autumn harvest traditions and just nails it.

[Rob Harvilla]

Great stuff.

[Chris Ryan]

There's a really good YouTube series called Halloween Atmospheres which is essentially like hour long ASMR videos of like Halloween scenes. Not Halloween, the movie scenes, but like scenes around like America. And it's just like this.

[Rob Harvilla]

It's great. Ryan's being Hoosiers, but the evil version.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, evil Hoosiers the next. See, if we had done this franchise properly, we could have made evil Hoosiers.

[Rob Harvilla]

Evil Hoosiers would have been great. Yeah, See, Myers could have gone to a basketball game, just started killing people. He hates the three point because he.

[Chris Ryan]

Lost money on fandom.

[Diane]

To me, Hoosiers is evil.

[Rob Harvilla]

Well, that's another podcast, right? That's next scene. Cultural transferring A dangerous patient for no real reason at all. All right, let's move him.

[Chris Ryan]

Watching.

[Rob Harvilla]

I got this.

[Diane]

I can safely say that Michael Myers is now in your hands.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah.

[Diane]

Well, I guess you're happy to see him go.

[Chris Ryan]

Locked and loaded.

[Rob Harvilla]

Now.

[Diane]

Let's roll.

[Rob Harvilla]

We get the Halloween music here, so let's give the Kid Cuddy Pursuit of Happiness award for best drop to that. But we got pouring rain. He's put in the back of an ambulance with two doctors and no chains to the bed. He's not even handcuffed to the bed.

[Diane]

They don't give a. These people are dead.

[Rob Harvilla]

They're like, hey, here he has anise. She's like, yeah, like.

[Diane]

And when I'm watching that scene, I'm trying to think, well, when you. If you've never seen who's going to die.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah.

[Diane]

Because of the gross negligence of these.

[Chris Ryan]

Well, it's also strange because in that scene, this is a nitpick, but everybody seems to be referring to, like, his atrophied body and his lack of muscles.

[Diane]

You can't do anything. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Why don't they just. Just check? I mean, like. Yeah, it's not like he shriveled up underneath that sheet and then fills back out again. Like, it's a lack of fear. It's a weird thing where they're just like, yeah, man, he's all dust and bones. Anyway, let's get him out of here.

[Rob Harvilla]

Good. Finger through the forehead Murder.

[Chris Ryan]

Yep.

[Rob Harvilla]

Really? You really have to.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, push.

[Rob Harvilla]

Think how strong your forehead is.

[Chris Ryan]

Keep going.

[Rob Harvilla]

I really got to get in there. I like the scene with Jamie as the nightmare with multiple. Myers gets pulled under the bed. I was like, a good pull under the bed from a horror movie.

[Chris Ryan]

It's also nice. It's a nice trope in horror movies where it's like the nightmare that becomes real.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah. Gas station. That whole scene's great. Michael with the bandage face. How do we feel about that? I thought you just run the whole movie that way.

[Chris Ryan]

Yes, I would have.

[Diane]

No mask, bandage face.

[Rob Harvilla]

Michael.

[Chris Ryan]

I think they could have broken with.

[Diane]

Tradition there and just, like, defeat the iconography of the mask itself.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah, I think it would have worked.

[Chris Ryan]

It's also, like, there's a couple of scenes where it's like a different mask. You know, like, he's got blonde hair in one scene, he's got brown hair in another. It's just like. Just give him. Give him the bandages. It would have been sick.

[Rob Harvilla]

Micah, why now? Michael gets to drive a truck and kill some people. We get autopilot Loomis warning the sheriff. Are you talking about Jamie Lloyd? Wherever she is, that little child is in mortal danger. Myers has been locked up since before she was born. He's never laid eyes on her. Six bodies, Sheriff.

[Chris Ryan]

That's what I've seen between here and Ridgewood.

[Rob Harvilla]

A filling station in flames. I tell you, Michael Myers is here in this town. He's here to kill that little girl.

[Chris Ryan]

And anybody who gets in his way.

[Rob Harvilla]

Here, a filling station in flames. Just really going for it. We have Myers kills braless girl the most phallic way possible, then kills guy from Dazed and Confused.

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, you really jumped ahead. Yeah.

[Diane]

You missed a lot of stuff.

[Rob Harvilla]

What did I miss? Would you go drugstore?

[Chris Ryan]

I think the trick or treating night of Jamie getting separated from the group. Rachel seeing Brady in the house with Kelly and Brady just being like, fair. We're not married, you know.

[Diane]

I love that because Rachel's going through a lot of shit.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah.

[Diane]

Rachel walks in there, first of all.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah. She's lost her baby. Babysitting person.

[Chris Ryan]

Yes.

[Rob Harvilla]

She's lost eight kids.

[Diane]

Her and Brady had a romantic night planned. It's not happening now. It all went to shit.

[Rob Harvilla]

It was gonna be that romantic for Brady, it sounds like.

[Chris Ryan]

Well, Rachel was like, I can't wait to get engaged.

[Diane]

No, Brady was trying to fuck.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah, well, she didn't realize that.

[Diane]

I don't know.

[Rob Harvilla]

You know who realized that?

[Diane]

No. Brady, Kelly.

[Rob Harvilla]

The cops. Kelly, what was their shirt? Cops don't have it.

[Diane]

And it's so funny that Brady's backup is.

[Rob Harvilla]

Cops do it by the book.

[Diane]

Cops do it by the book.

[Rob Harvilla]

She's like, I know what this guy wants.

[Chris Ryan]

Also, honestly, Brady, like, portraits in courage to be like, who am I gonna fuck? The cop's daughter. Yeah. It's like, not even. You're really gambling with something serious.

[Rob Harvilla]

But this was a very important theme in 80s, late 80s, early 90s culture. Was like the girl who wouldn't give it up to the boyfriend and the other girl who was going to take advantage of this immediately.

[Chris Ryan]

Yes.

[Rob Harvilla]

This was in TV shows, movies, galore.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. And Rachel's only revenge is to spill a cup of Folgers on her.

[Diane]

She throws a coffee. She ruins the.

[Rob Harvilla]

She ruins a great T shirt.

[Chris Ryan]

But honestly, to that point, Kelly knows what's going on. Like, if Michael Myers is on his way, she should put some pants on.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah.

[Diane]

Kelly's dad is so protective. Yeah, he's so protective. Right. Don't touch my daughter. Don't grope my daughter. Everybody is.

[Rob Harvilla]

Don't give my daughter A bra, right?

[Diane]

Your daughter's braless in a T shirt, no pants on.

[Rob Harvilla]

Hey, dad.

[Diane]

Hi, Sergeant McCluffy. Like nobody cares. Make her put something on.

[Rob Harvilla]

Well, I like that he fights back against Myers. Don Dawson.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

I like when he spits on him right before his head gets fucking squished.

[Chris Ryan]

It's kind of like a Gardner Minshew. Just going out there and gaming. You know, you're out. You're outmatched, but you're giving great job by him.

[Diane]

He's redeeming himself because he's been a douchebag the entire movie. Tries to shoot the door. It's metal. Like, what does that mean? We're locked inside. Doesn't reload the gun, stupid. But he goes out on his shield.

[Rob Harvilla]

The roof battle's really fun.

[Diane]

Yeah, I love that. That's my favorite part. That's my most rewatchable.

[Rob Harvilla]

I just wrote down Miles kills every. Myers kills everyone in the truck, then tries to crash the truck, then gets hit by the truck and then falls down a mineshaft, then falls into basically hell.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

And then the shock ending. No, no, no.

[Chris Ryan]

Now, now. Incredible ending.

[Rob Harvilla]

Did pleasant. Was that his Oscar clip, you think?

[Chris Ryan]

I think so. That was his.

[Rob Harvilla]

And Donald pleasance for Halloween 4.

[Diane]

Question.

[Rob Harvilla]

So your favorite's the roof?

[Diane]

My favorite's the roof. If. If he doesn't get interfered with right there. Does he shoot the child?

[Rob Harvilla]

I think he does.

[Diane]

I think he's. I think he's.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, because he's convinced. I mean, like, he's just like.

[Rob Harvilla]

Right. Move. Take that kid down.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

No jury would convict him.

[Chris Ryan]

No jury. There's nobody here before. There's no more peers. There's like five people left in Haddonfield by this point.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah. What do you have for favorite scene?

[Chris Ryan]

I'll go with the Trick or Treating Night just to mix it up. Because I really like that atmospherically. It's also like Rachel losing all those kids and having to run around those dark houses looking for them.

[Rob Harvilla]

I really like the gas station part. I think that's my favorite anyway.

[Diane]

What is the relationship real quick between Loomis and Myers. Loomis.

[Rob Harvilla]

Well, he was his doctor in Halloween.

[Diane]

I was his doctor. I know, I know.

[Rob Harvilla]

But there's good deleted scenes in Halloween 1 where he goes in and sees him as a six. He's like, you fooed them all, Michael. But he won't kill.

[Diane]

He won't kill Loomis, though, right?

[Chris Ryan]

Well, I mean, he tries.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah, Yeah, I think he would.

[Diane]

Loomis. Like, I thought he had a chance to get.

[Rob Harvilla]

Loomis always has a gun at the.

[Diane]

Gas station and he.

[Chris Ryan]

That's true. Loomis is always packing one thing. He doesn't have any volume. He doesn't have any needles or anything like that.

[Rob Harvilla]

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[Rob Harvilla]

All right, what's the most 1988 thing about this movie? I will give you the gas station pumps, the cash registers, vigilante mobs, no cell phones or everything that happens with the sheriff's daughter.

[Chris Ryan]

I think it's probably the sheriff's daughter.

[Rob Harvilla]

Okay, well, that leads me to two new categories.

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, my God.

[Diane]

Let's go.

[Rob Harvilla]

Well, one's an old one, the Jamie Lee Curtis unnecessary nudity award, which she wins for that. But a new category. So honored to be here for this. The Van Lathan naughty white girl hall of fame.

[Diane]

She's in.

[Rob Harvilla]

Oh, she's in. Okay.

[Diane]

I like her.

[Rob Harvilla]

I didn't know if I needed to make the case.

[Diane]

So can I ask a question? Is nudity ever, ever unnecessary?

[Rob Harvilla]

Well, it depends on. Yeah, it's a shoehorned in for the reasons you get a lot of.

[Chris Ryan]

You get a lot of like, especially in the 80s, I think unnecessary. Like you didn't need the shower.

[Rob Harvilla]

It was. It was part of. Yeah, it was like, hey, did you put the nude sit in? Yeah. Yeah. It's like the 20th century. Okay. Just wanted to check.

[Craig]

Vacation. The vacation one.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

When she's Showering.

[Craig]

What is the point of that?

[Diane]

So this is why.

[Craig]

I mean, I know the point of.

[Diane]

That, but I want to push back. Okay. Okay. Is nudity entertaining?

[Rob Harvilla]

I think for the audience of this movie, it's one of the components they needed.

[Diane]

I didn't ask for a senate subcommittee. Like, is nudity entertaining?

[Rob Harvilla]

Entertaining. I don't know if that's the word I would use. Is it interesting answer. So if interesting equals entertaining, you would say?

[Diane]

Yes, then therefore it is necessary.

[Chris Ryan]

Okay. Because we must be entertained, I think, for this movie.

[Diane]

Well, that's why we're watching a movie, baby. Yeah, we're watching a movie to be entertained. And to be honest with you, I think particularly in a horror movie, maybe you have a point with the comedy, but particularly in a horror movie, they need to change your emotion. They wanna keep inciting you. Right? They wanna keep inciting you. They want you to always be on edge. Always be on edge. But then they need to change your emotion. So they need to bring out a little horny. Lower your defenses. Oh my God, what's gonna happen, old baby? Oh, daddy. And then they do that and then boom. The kill comes right back. I think it's a useful thing to do, particularly in a horror movie.

[Chris Ryan]

It's important to understand the context that in 1988 Internet pornography was not invented. You know, like the mass distribution Playboy.

[Rob Harvilla]

Scrambled cable where you could see a.

[Chris Ryan]

Nipple essentially, like if you were, you know, a young boy. Like this was like about.

[Rob Harvilla]

I would say if you're adult.

[Diane]

But this woman.

[Chris Ryan]

Bill Simmons and Jeff Gall.

[Rob Harvilla]

I wasn't an adult yet, but it was like, hey, we're gonna have nude scene in this movie yet. Okay, here we are.

[Diane]

I looked her up, went on to marry Lorenzo Llamas.

[Chris Ryan]

Yes.

[Diane]

And she.

[Rob Harvilla]

No, no, no, that's not true. She starred on Renegade with Lorenzo Llamas and got fired after making derogatory comments about Llamas's wife.

[Diane]

Wait, wait, she never married Lorenzo Llamas?

[Rob Harvilla]

I think she was married to him on the show. Oh, she's been in a couple.

[Chris Ryan]

Erotic this how misinformation gets Spread Couple.

[Rob Harvilla]

She might have dabbled in an erotic thriller and a 80s spring break comedy or two. She looks like she started the movie. Her name's Kathleen, Kathleen Kinmont. She's first of all one of the better horror movie characters because the moment you see, you're like, oh my God.

[Chris Ryan]

It'S a discount mart. You're just. That's her like full time job. I think she's out of high school by that Point.

[Rob Harvilla]

Oh, is that true?

[Chris Ryan]

She's older. She's in school with them because they take.

[Rob Harvilla]

They do this in Halloween one, right? It's like Jamie Lee Curtis has these two friends. Both of them are sexually active. They just wanna like fuck their boyfriends.

[Diane]

Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

And Jamie Lee Curtis character is like the virginal and sexually frustrated one. And then those two die. Jamie Lee Curtis has that whole thing. She keeps dropping the knife. She's basically doing a little cat and mouse game with Michael. Cause they're both sexually frustrated.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

This movie, they're like, fuck it. Let's take this to another level. This.

[Chris Ryan]

This is more like a Friday the 13th plot.

[Rob Harvilla]

This lady does not wear a bra for maybe 20 minutes of the movie. And she's in a Cops do it by the book T shirt. And she has this quote to Rachel as they have a little fight in the kitchen. Wise up to what men want, Rachel. Or maybe Brady won't be the last man you lose to another woman.

[Diane]

Ooh, shit.

[Rob Harvilla]

Fucking saucy.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

She gets killed 10 minutes later.

[Chris Ryan]

She also answers the door on Trick or Treat in that outfit too.

[Rob Harvilla]

Oh, yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

No pants, just a T shirt.

[Diane]

She's in Seduce Brady mode for the entire thing because I could see why she's wearing it. You know, it's akin to the whipped cream bikini varsity blue situation. She wants Brady to be all, whatever.

[Rob Harvilla]

Right, it's the alien.

[Chris Ryan]

But like, what is Brady got going? He's working at the discount mart. Like, is this. Is he supposed to be the quarterback?

[Rob Harvilla]

He's got either that or he has Rachel who's cute but is wearing like a heavy sweater and eating a bagel.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

And just doesn't seem that interested.

[Chris Ryan]

But she's like slathering.

[Rob Harvilla]

Rachel's like, hey, my parents are. Their parents are going to be gone for 90 minutes. We could probably use that. She's. She's doing none of that. This other girl's like, yo, Brady.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah?

[Rob Harvilla]

Wanna help me treat later?

[Chris Ryan]

My dad's the only cop left.

[Rob Harvilla]

House is mine. Do some trick or treating with me later and then we'll lock the door and shut the lights off.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

What stage? The best. So she's in the hall of fame.

[Diane]

I liked her.

[Rob Harvilla]

Okay. Do you wanna keep the Van Layton, Van Lathan, Naughty Wet Girl hall of Fame. Going for future rewatches.

[Diane]

Why not?

[Rob Harvilla]

I figured you would say it's the best. Vigilante mobs mentioned them earlier.

[Chris Ryan]

I have the town turning on itself. But that's a really good little moment when he's like, when Loomis basically starts the lynch mob on purpose. And Victor's like, why'd you do that? And he's like, because, like, you don't have any cops left.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah, Smart. Loomis, thinking ahead.

[Diane]

Is this funny? That's so funny. The moment I saw all the white guys in the lynch mob, I went, I don't like that.

[Chris Ryan]

I wasn't saying I like it. I'm saying as a plot device, it's cool.

[Rob Harvilla]

Sure it is.

[Diane]

No, no, no, it is because I.

[Chris Ryan]

And then they killed Ted.

[Diane]

They get Ted. I thought, you know what? They probably. Those guys were probably sitting around.

[Rob Harvilla]

They could have thrown one black guy in the lynch mouth just to offset.

[Chris Ryan]

It a little bit.

[Rob Harvilla]

One in there.

[Diane]

They threw one black guy in a lynch mob. The mismo would have a different target. They would. They would. You know, they'd be going for him.

[Chris Ryan]

Are there any black people in Haddonfield?

[Rob Harvilla]

No.

[Diane]

Have they ever? No. Has Michael. Oh, yeah. He killed black people later on, but for a while, Michael Myers, he hadn't killed any black people.

[Rob Harvilla]

I don't think there are black people.

[Diane]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. I thought that that was cool. I liked. You know, I have a critique of this, but I like the idea that these guys just got riled up by the news and that they were. Some drinks too, and some bush lights.

[Diane]

It deepens the whole lore, like what you were saying. Because they know, ah, it can't happen again. They're older. They get right to work.

[Chris Ryan]

In the David Gordon Green trilogy, there's like a whole, like the town basically turns into Jan6 or something like that. Like, it's like they all go crazy. Cause of Michael.

[Diane]

They got like a bunch of guns and all kinds of crazy shit.

[Rob Harvilla]

What's age? The best horror movie set in autumn. It's a little girl played by Danielle Harris. Really great little girl horror movie performance.

[Chris Ryan]

What an amazing. I mean, if. If, if. Yeah. Yes.

[Rob Harvilla]

I like Loomis wading into the water under a bridge to see if Michael was in there.

[Craig]

Dude.

[Chris Ryan]

But all like them.

[Rob Harvilla]

And then hitchhiking right after with a wet.

[Chris Ryan]

The mist blowing on that water. It's so creepy. And Hoffman's like, eyes dead. You know, I want to see.

[Diane]

I forgot to mention the hip. The. The hitchhiking scene, which is hilarious.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Diane]

The kids. Come on, old man. Come on.

[Rob Harvilla]

Oh, and they fuck with him. Oh, I have that for what? Saint Jabez. Little kids being crazy. Super mean. Because we have those kids and the.

[Chris Ryan]

Little grade school kids.

[Rob Harvilla]

Jamie's an orphan. Jamie's an orphan.

[Chris Ryan]

People think phones have Made people cruel. They've always been cruel. Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah. They will always go for it. In the horror movies with little kids. Yeah. What's the meanest thing we can have them. What's aged the best? I also have this. And what's age the worst? Meyer's irrational hatred of dogs.

[Chris Ryan]

Sunday took down a dog in one.

[Rob Harvilla]

Took down a dog in four. Nice golden retriever.

[Chris Ryan]

I think he lets the Doberman live in five. He let Zacks live. Yeah.

[Diane]

As soon as.

[Rob Harvilla]

That's like some sort of German thing.

[Diane]

When you see. When you see. When you see Sunday, it like, really, this was tough. It was the toughest kill. Because with. Sunday is like a beautiful, amazing little pup that's like all on the bed, everybody. Well, you know Sunday's flight, though, from the beginning.

[Rob Harvilla]

Like, that golden retriever is going to fuck with him. I don't know. I didn't like that. But Myers, the lesson of 80s horror movies. If you don't take care of your boyfriend, some other woman will. And then be brutally murdered in about nine minutes later. That was how many movies?

[Chris Ryan]

All of them.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

That's the entire Friday the 13th ethos is that all the girls who are loose go.

[Rob Harvilla]

First score by Alan Howorth.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. And the theme is bicarpenter, though.

[Rob Harvilla]

But I like in the Halloween movies where they. They title the songs.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

So in this one, there's songs called Jamie's Nightmare, Return of the Shape and Police Station.

[Chris Ryan]

What's the song title for the Kelly and Brady sex scene?

[Rob Harvilla]

I don't know. I didn't look that up. Any other. With Sage the best.

[Diane]

No, not really.

[Chris Ryan]

You got it all. But I would just add we've. We are obviously having a lot of laughs. Like, the sense of humor of this movie is pretty great.

[Rob Harvilla]

The Fortune 3 Clap Award for most giftable moment is that. No, no. Great shot. Gordo Meyers collapsing in the sinkhole.

[Chris Ryan]

I actually have. It's.

[Rob Harvilla]

There's.

[Chris Ryan]

It's an homage to Night of the Hunter when the guy is sitting in the rocking chair with the shotgun.

[Diane]

I love that.

[Chris Ryan]

And then it's Rachel. And then Rachel moves out of the way and Michael's in deep focus in the background. It's a really cool little shot.

[Diane]

Like what. When he is. There's one where. Yeah, I think that's the same one where she's running away and then he's coming, like, on the side of the building or whatever.

[Chris Ryan]

Yes. Yeah. But it starts with the sheriff's deputy is into the rocking chair and he's like, don't worry. State police will be here soon. Yeah, it's right right out of Night of the Hunter.

[Rob Harvilla]

I don't know if I'd feel totally protected with the guy just rocking in a rocking chair.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, I mean obviously gonna stand here.

[Rob Harvilla]

Denethy's Benihana award scene stealing location. I really liked abandoned gas stations just in general in horror movies.

[Chris Ryan]

There's also a great moment because that place has a bar attached to it and all. A bunch of pictures of Abe Lincoln. Just in case we forgot it's Illinois.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah, yeah.

[Diane]

You know if there is a abandoned or like down trodden asylum in a horror movie, that's always my spot.

[Rob Harvilla]

You like going down?

[Diane]

I like going.

[Chris Ryan]

We should start investing in abandoned gas stations and asylums and see what we can do with that. Whether it's just like we start showing Halloween movies there, drive ins, getting people soup them up, bring back like the drive in. It's a good YouTube series.

[Diane]

Do Halloween tours, haunted house situations. There an old abandoned. But you know what'll happen? We'll get fucked up.

[Rob Harvilla]

It'll turn into actual horror movies. Big Kahuna Burger where Bessie is the food or drink. So the sheriff's daughter, right before she meets her demise, she just makes some coffee for everyone. And she has these six gym instant cups of coffee. Like how much coffee did she make?

[Chris Ryan]

Did you ever used to drink instant?

[Rob Harvilla]

No.

[Chris Ryan]

Can you remember ever having it?

[Rob Harvilla]

No.

[Chris Ryan]

I had it when I first started drinking coffee. I would, I would be like when I know when I first moved out of my parents house and was in Boston, I would make instant coffee because.

[Rob Harvilla]

I was like my family always cared about coffee in the right way. I was just freaking traveling you guys. Fucking important thing in Guatemala cared about coffee. I grew up a family that prioritized coffee.

[Chris Ryan]

That's.

[Diane]

That's really, that's a lot a line you refuse to cross right there.

[Rob Harvilla]

I just always had good coffee in my life. Not gonna apologize.

[Diane]

There was a whole era to me where that was kind of the norm to where I almost only saw coffee.

[Chris Ryan]

Coffee wasn't a thing. Going to the coffee shop, she see.

[Rob Harvilla]

How much coffee she had though. She had six like they looked like 16 ounce cups.

[Diane]

I know, I'm telling you, I'm gonna go galaxy brain here way too deep take when they do little shit like that, they're like making a little statement. She's a traditional, she's a trad wife. Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

Take care of her man.

[Diane]

Rachel is like I don't wanna like I wanna be Liber all of that type of Stuff. One dies, one lives. Like, she. They're making a statement because she makes all of that coffee on way more.

[Rob Harvilla]

Fun hang than Rachel.

[Diane]

Yeah, Rachel had a lot going on.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah, I would. I just would rather. Oh, could I. Should I just be with this lady, the sheriff's daughter who's fun, or this other lady, who.

[Chris Ryan]

I think Rachel probably had a little bit going on upstairs, like more of an interior life.

[Rob Harvilla]

And her sister is Michael Myers's niece.

[Chris Ryan]

Well, that's. I mean, Brady doesn't even know who the fuck Michael Myers is.

[Rob Harvilla]

All right. Butch's Girlfriend Award, weak link of the film. I'll go last if you guys want to go ahead of me. I have. I feel really strongly about one thing.

[Chris Ryan]

I have one.

[Rob Harvilla]

Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

We talked about this on Silence of the Lambs, about what's the do the doctor, the asylum in Silence of the Lambs. What's his name? The Anthony Held character. And this is the mayor from Jaws. But it's like when there's a villain that. That's more villainous than the villain. And it starts. They start this movie with Dr. Hoffman, who's just like a giant dick to Loomis, who's freeing Michael Myers, who doesn't think he has any muscle tone.

[Rob Harvilla]

He's got an attitude about it and.

[Chris Ryan]

Is like, he's dead. He's dead. Don't worry about it. And then he just leaves the movie.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

So I really like that performance and that character. I just hate that they abandoned it midway through.

[Rob Harvilla]

Would have brought it back.

[Diane]

Max Shrek from Batman Returns.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Diane]

You know, I'm going. I got to go with, man, Loomis fucking pisses me off. I hate Loomis. I hate him. Like, to me, Loomis makes me sick. Loomis is useless. He does Loomis. He's supposed to be this harbinger. But after a while, I blame Loomis for everything that's happening.

[Rob Harvilla]

I had him for the Vincent Chase Award for. Are we sure this character was actually good at his job? Bad psychiatrist let Loomis go multiple times. Didn't warn people correctly.

[Diane]

Right.

[Rob Harvilla]

Halloween 1 just fucks up over and over again. He's next to the car, doesn't even realize it for five hours. My Butcher's Girlfriend award. I just don't think Myers, even though they have him doing athletic stuff, I don't think the actor who played the shape, first of all, he's wearing, like, padding. He's wearing, like, these fucking shoulder pads, and he's, like, kind of doing this. I Didn't feel like he was athletic enough like they should have had. Like, I don't know. Pick any good athlete from the late 80s playing the Shape. Pick somebody OJ would have been available. This is pre Whatever. But somebody with some bulk and some size who could move. This guy, if you really watch carefully, he's like. He's like a fucking mummy.

[Diane]

Shit. Later on, they got the dude that played sabres. Me, the fucking. The professional wrestler. I can't remember his name now. He played him for a little while because he could do all this stuff. Tyler May.

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, he played in the Rob Zombie movies or in the David Gordon movies.

[Diane]

I can't remember which one it was, but I remember it was a big deal that he played him for a second.

[Rob Harvilla]

What stage? The worst. The mask is the most polarizing thing about this movie. It's a lot of the discourse. It's my buddy Jeff's biggest issue with the movie. He can't believe how bad the mask is. And there's a whole story when they made the mask for Halloween, one, it was a Shatner mask. They doctored it. They threw it out after they tried to recreate it for two. There was no way to find it. So then they ended up with the fucking stupid mask they had for this movie, which they changed after the schoolhouse scene, which I think was the first one they shot. He's got, like, blonde hair. He looks like. I don't even know what feel like. Keep that in. For some reason, people really hate the mask. I am not a fan.

[Chris Ryan]

I'm not a fan. I'm not a fan of the fact that it changes a couple of times in the movie. Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

And so generally, they just should have kept him bandaged. I think that was the mistake. But can I ask you whether you.

[Chris Ryan]

Think this is age, the worst or not? Is the con. Somewhat convoluted idea that Laurie Strode, who has died between 2 and 4.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Has a daughter who's not that much, you know, young daughter. Like, she has a daughter. Young.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah. She went from not having sex to becomes, like a super young.

[Chris Ryan]

But, like, would. Would.

[Diane]

Would.

[Chris Ryan]

It made just more sense if he had just come back and there was no, like, family connection. It was just like, he's terrorizing the town. Cause there are other ideas for this movie floating around that I think the Strode family connection's a little.

[Rob Harvilla]

So in the research of this, when they greenlit it, the writer's strike was about to happen, and the Guy had, like, 13 days to pitch the story and then write it. And I don't think he was expecting 36 years later, a podcast. Picking it apart. I don't know if there's a ton of thoughts. I think he was like, hey, so I thought maybe Lori had a daughter. They were like, all right, done. Go, go.

[Diane]

How many people are.

[Chris Ryan]

Do you think feel that same way about podcasts where they're like, you know what, man? I was just trying to make my day.

[Diane]

Yeah, dude, I was.

[Rob Harvilla]

I was just at a coffee shop for three straight days.

[Diane]

Ten days.

[Rob Harvilla]

George Lucas had this idea for a.

[Diane]

Niece because the movie comes out and it's profitable. So it's a win. He's like, I fucking pulled that off.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah, I wish I had more time.

[Diane]

And then later on you guys come.

[Chris Ryan]

Around and Strode family.

[Diane]

But look interesting though. Like you couldn't have the face of innocence. They didn't go. It's interesting to go with a kid in that situation to kind of draw back little girl.

[Rob Harvilla]

It was good, Zach.

[Diane]

But her not being in the movie is by far the thing that's aged the worst because the character comes back to a new generation of Halloween fans to take the franchise back.

[Rob Harvilla]

The reason she didn't come back is cause Jamie Lee was a super famous actress at that point.

[Chris Ryan]

It was like, oh, another age is the worst for me. Also maybe a nitpick, but it's basically. Some people obviously know who Michael Myers is. Like those kids dress up as Michael Myers to like scare Rachel and Jamie. But then Brady doesn't know who Michael Myers is. And they're like, oh, you remember 10 years ago? And he's like, no, like, what are you talking about?

[Rob Harvilla]

I didn't like that either.

[Chris Ryan]

So it's like, it's like Michael Myers.

[Rob Harvilla]

Is either like he was so horny he didn't remember what happened. Yeah.

[Diane]

He was about to buy line up his hoes. Yeah, like he, like he wasn't thinking at all about that. Brady had a backup plan.

[Rob Harvilla]

They were like, brady, what'd you think of the football game yesterday? I don't know, man. I just. I just trying to get alone with the sheriff's daughter. That's all I'm thinking about. I have a couple. How does Myers. How do they. And I have a scene where Myers kills one of the Myers impersonators. It's like a no brainer to that.

[Chris Ryan]

Would have made it all worth it.

[Rob Harvilla]

Just killed like three of them in a row.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

Blonde wig, Meyers in the schoolhouse. Ridiculous. Rachel takes the kids trick or treating and loses all eight kids. You know how hard that is? You're Going from house to house. Like, what were they, like, fucking getting in a van together? It makes it seem like they've gotten.

[Chris Ryan]

Lost in the city from Inception.

[Rob Harvilla]

Ridiculous.

[Diane]

But she also is not thinking straight.

[Rob Harvilla]

No. Right.

[Chris Ryan]

Because she just found out Brady.

[Diane]

Brady's.

[Chris Ryan]

He's just like all the other guys.

[Rob Harvilla]

All right, this is my big one. We rarely do this for the rewatchables, but I'm gonna have to do this with whatever my camera is. So Loomis scars. We start out with this. He's got. So he blew up at the end of Halloween 2, and he's got. It's like a zit on the left there.

[Diane]

Like a burn.

[Rob Harvilla]

It almost looks like an ear with ear with a zit. So they start out there. This is. I'm just doing this chronologically in the movie. So we start out with this. Then we go here, and the zit's gone. Like, did he pop it? Now it's like more of, like, a scar tissue. It looks like an omelet or a.

[Chris Ryan]

Cauliflower kind of thing. Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

So that's how we are in that scene.

[Diane]

Oh, wow.

[Rob Harvilla]

Then it's different again.

[Chris Ryan]

It's a dent there.

[Rob Harvilla]

So the makeup artist is obviously not taking Polaroids after every day of shooting.

[Chris Ryan]

This is another example of people not anticipating us doing a podcast about this.

[Rob Harvilla]

They're like, Annie, the makeup artist. Like, Annie, do you take Polaroids? After day three, she's like, oh. Oh, shit.

[Diane]

Right?

[Rob Harvilla]

So they're just fucking winging it. Then we go back.

[Chris Ryan]

Zits back.

[Rob Harvilla]

Now this zit's back. So did Loom. Did Pleasance go back? It's like, I really like the zit chronological order.

[Chris Ryan]

So they probably shot that when he.

[Diane]

Had the same time.

[Rob Harvilla]

Then it's like it got better. Like, he took some medication during Halloween night somehow. And then finally, near the end of the movie, he must have yelled at somebody. And now it's just kind of cleared up.

[Diane]

Up.

[Rob Harvilla]

It's cleared up a lot.

[Diane]

Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

This is all in the course of one day in Halloween 4.

[Chris Ryan]

Well, maybe it's his connection to Michael heals him, you know, the scar.

[Rob Harvilla]

But I don't know how. Why she's. At some point.

[Chris Ryan]

This is why you're the best. That kind of made your decision.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah.

[Diane]

Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

You made a decision with the zit. With the zit scar. Like, you gotta just stay with it. You can't get rid of the zit body count, by the way. 19 for this movie. If you include the dog more than.

[Chris Ryan]

The combined total of the first two.

[Diane]

It doesn't feel like it's all that many kills. He's killing a lot of people, but it doesn't feel like it's all that many kills.

[Chris Ryan]

Part of it is also we don't get the police station kills.

[Diane]

Oh. We only see the aftermath after he comes in there.

[Rob Harvilla]

Would you have liked it more if he didn't kill the sheriff's daughter?

[Diane]

Yes.

[Rob Harvilla]

He just kind of chained her up. He was like, I'm keeping her around. She looks great.

[Chris Ryan]

What's your favorite kill in this?

[Rob Harvilla]

I like the finger through the forehead's great. And I like when he kills Don Dawson.

[Chris Ryan]

Don Dawson is. Crushes his jaw. Right.

[Diane]

Anytime the killer kills someone with their bare hands.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. So I was going to. My favorite is the guy who's driving the truck to get away and Michael comes and just like tears his face off and then throws him out of the truck.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah, it's pretty good because you have the leverage. You're on top of the.

[Chris Ryan]

I think they spent a lot of the special effects budget on that kill.

[Rob Harvilla]

The Ruffalo Hannah Rubinick Partridge overacting award. It has to go to Dr. Loomis. But you also have the crazy religious guy who picks him up hitchhiking who's like on a fucking.

[Chris Ryan]

That guy's creep. I like that. Apparently he didn't know his lines and Dwight Little had to keep being like this.

[Rob Harvilla]

So would you give it to that guy? I think I would.

[Diane]

He's in another movie. He probably is the one that's like throwing 150 like every single time he talks.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah, that. What's that category we used to have for guy who's in a different movie? It was. What was the Judd Nelson for that? What was that movie called? Well, I would say.

[Chris Ryan]

I'd say Kelly is in a different movie.

[Diane]

Who in this movie.

[Chris Ryan]

Kelly's in a different movie than like, that's a sex. How dare you sex comedy. And everybody else is like, Michael Myers.

[Rob Harvilla]

She's in like a Skinimax movie.

[Chris Ryan]

Like, like the. The word is out. Her dad is the sheriff. She would know that Michael Myers is terrorizing the town. And she's like, no, it's Bonetown tonight.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

In fact, Michael Myers creates an opportunity for me to have the house to myself and walk in the living room in front of the fire while my dad.

[Diane]

Hold on.

[Chris Ryan]

Single handedly protected.

[Diane]

Ah. But she. This is another reason why I like her. She asked Brady, yeah, let's go upstairs. Let's go upstairs. Brady was like, it goes down right here.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

I like the Fireplace.

[Diane]

Fireplace. Brady was trying to set some ambience.

[Rob Harvilla]

Brady's like, listen, I'm not going to last long.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

Makes no sense to get up 80 seconds.

[Diane]

I'm a kid. Makes no sense to get up and go way up there.

[Rob Harvilla]

Was there a better title for this movie? Halloween 4. Back for more cash.

[Chris Ryan]

I had Halloween 10 years later. Probably not better than Halloween for the return of Michael Myers. But I think.

[Rob Harvilla]

Can you dig at a word for most memorable quote?

[Chris Ryan]

Wise up to what men want. Rachel or Brady won't be the last.

[Diane]

Man you lose to.

[Chris Ryan]

Another woman is.

[Rob Harvilla]

Should be in a high school yearbook.

[Diane]

That is the only memorable quote almost in the whole movie.

[Rob Harvilla]

It's fucking amazing.

[Chris Ryan]

Okay, My. My second place for best quote was the. The guy working at the power station when he sees Michael Myers and says, hey, you. This is city property. No trespassing. What are you deaf? Don't try that Halloween shit with me. And then Michael throws him up in the air and he lands on every, like, transition.

[Rob Harvilla]

Shuts down all the power in the town.

[Chris Ryan]

Hey, like, oh, 40 seconds. It's so cool.

[Diane]

He gets wide like at the last minute. Oh, shit.

[Chris Ryan]

That six foot five guy with a mask and he's like, get off a city property.

[Diane]

Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

Myers, who hasn't lived there since he was 6, somehow knows where the cemetery.

[Chris Ryan]

Is and where the power station is.

[Rob Harvilla]

Where the power station is, where the police station is. He can just navigate everywhere. Let's take a break and then we'll do the hottest take. All right. The CR Thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. Hottest. Take a word. You have one van or no.

[Diane]

Myers is the hero of this movie.

[Rob Harvilla]

Okay.

[Diane]

I theorize that Michael Myers is actually a natural force. He is like, he exists in nature. He comes from nature and he's there to enforce natural selection. So the people that die in this movie are so fucking stupid. Like all of them. Yes. They are so dumb.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah.

[Diane]

They make the dumbest mistakes. He moves at the speed of a sloth, but he outsmarts them still.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah.

[Diane]

And so Michael Myers, actually the earth was like, you know what? There's too many people on there. We need to create a force to cull the people who are too dumb to go on.

[Rob Harvilla]

Darwin theory.

[Diane]

Darwin theory. And that Michael Myers actually is the hero of this movie. And if you get killed by him, you deserved it.

[Rob Harvilla]

Strong start for hottest take.

[Chris Ryan]

If this had been the last Halloween movie, it would have been the second best one.

[Diane]

Oh, shit.

[Chris Ryan]

I think in the long scheme of things, and like the long tail, I agree with this you're like, oh, okay, two's cool, people. There's.

[Rob Harvilla]

This is better than two. I'm with you.

[Chris Ryan]

But people like, three. Two is actually, like, kind of wonky in places like, two's Friday the 13th.

[Rob Harvilla]

For the last half hour.

[Chris Ryan]

The idea that he passes it on. And if I just gave you the bare bones of this plot of what happens in, like, Haddonfield 10 years later. And then Michael at the end when he gets killed. Cause he touches Jamie, passes the shape on, and she then kills her stepmother and, like, keeps this perpetual. That's awesome. That would have been like. People would have been like, what Question for you. So. But the fact that, like, they basically undo that in the first five minutes of. Of five, where they're like, actually, the mom's okay. It's cool, she's in Barbados. Like, it sucks. But if this had been the last one, this would have been the second best Halloween movie.

[Diane]

Do you think they knew whether or not they wanted Michael Myers to come back?

[Chris Ryan]

I think everybody who they engaged to creatively come up with new ideas for the franchise was like, well, what if we did this? What if we tried that? What if we tried that? And they always entertained it. And then eventually they would get back to, like, whatever focus group idea that was like, people who are fucking paying 10 bucks to go see this movie do not want to not see Michael Myers. We saw that with Halloween 3, with season of the Witch. Like, people want to see Halloween 3.

[Rob Harvilla]

I really like the first five minutes of Halloween 2.

[Chris Ryan]

You like the first five minutes?

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah, I like when he's chasing him through the houses. And I like when he goes, you don't know what death is to the sheriff. Solid. My hottest take. So Donald Pleasant's famous alcohol problems with him. Like, famous. I can give you some. I can give you some half. Assert research. Here's some Donald Pleasant stuff for you. Married four times, had five daughters. Allegedly drank two bottles of wine before filming a big scene in Halloween one where he talked to the sheriff outside. Two bottles of wine.

[Chris Ryan]

Jesus.

[Rob Harvilla]

In the SNL oral history book, David Sheffield, who is a writer on the show in the 80s, said there was one host who came on. He was drunk and senile. He kept going, where's Gilda? When's Gilda showing up? He was so arrogant. He basically just did a monologue. Donald Pleasence, who? That was so. Famous drinker guy. I think Halloween 4, my hottest take, should have leaned into this.

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, Loomis is like an alcoholic.

[Rob Harvilla]

Loomis is an alcoholic. Actually had him boozing during the movie. And like, he's kind of come in as like, boozing, deranged doctor. You don't understand what death is.

[Diane]

Nobody believes him.

[Rob Harvilla]

And he's got like.

[Chris Ryan]

That's kind of like what, the preacher character.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Like if Loomis. And Loomis is just like driving around in circles looking for Armageddon, that would have been pretty cool.

[Rob Harvilla]

He's basically an alcoholic anyway. The way he behaves in this. Like, he's just kind of wandering and deranged.

[Chris Ryan]

Putting a spin on him. Always packing, too, where he's just like. He's just quick to pull this gun out.

[Diane]

Maybe they shun Loomis because he can't do anything with Michael Myers. He begrudgingly gets back into the story, but he's always on the sauce. That's more interesting.

[Rob Harvilla]

He lost his job.

[Diane]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

He's become an alcoholic. Cause all these people died on his.

[Diane]

Maybe he's obsessed now. He's coming back. He's always drinking. Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

I don't think Loomis should have been employed in Halloween 4. I think he should have been disgraced. Whatever. Burned in the fire and now just has a drinking problem and is still obsessed with the case. Would have been better casting what ifs. John Carpenter was approached to write a direct, worked on a script with somebody else, got Joe Dante attached to direct. Mustafa Akad rejected it.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. And Carpenter was like, buy me out.

[Rob Harvilla]

I'm done.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, that's what I was.

[Rob Harvilla]

Deborah Hill, the producer, were like, I'm out.

[Chris Ryan]

I'm doing that December 31st to you. If we don't do Sicario by then.

[Rob Harvilla]

Did you hear that coming out? So they sold their ownership rights back to Mustafa Akad and they were done from that point on.

[Diane]

Carpenter was cooking at that time, too. It's a good time for Carpenter.

[Rob Harvilla]

So I wonder, you think they were bought out or you think they kept points?

[Chris Ryan]

I think he's been brought back into the project since then. I think he got a lot of. I think he got dapped up with the David Gordon Green movies. I don't know if he. If he did with Rob Zombie, I have no clue.

[Rob Harvilla]

So they found this writer, Alan B. McElroy, and he had 11 days to come up with the idea and write the entire script before writer strike started. Yeah. Start to finish. 11 days.

[Diane]

Oh, yeah, that's. I give him a lot of credit.

[Rob Harvilla]

He's like, ah, niece Melissa. Joan Hart auditioned for the little girl. And then Rebecca Schaeffer auditioned for the main part. And it went to La Cornell who picked this movie over Nightmare 4?

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, she.

[Diane]

She didn't became a very recognizable face.

[Chris Ryan]

Ellie Cornell.

[Diane]

The little girl.

[Rob Harvilla]

Oh, yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Daniel Harris.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's in a lot. The Van Lathan Award. Did this movie need more black people?

[Diane]

Hell, no.

[Rob Harvilla]

Okay.

[Diane]

Because we getting out of the town.

[Rob Harvilla]

You're out there. The Michaels.

[Chris Ryan]

If you could have a black person, what. What job would they have? What character would they play?

[Diane]

They would. Oh, that's a great question. Like, in this movie, they would, like, play the people. Like, you'd see like, a black family leaving Haddonfield at the beginning and, like.

[Chris Ryan]

Driving past as Mike driving past.

[Diane]

It was like, hey, hey. Just letting you guys know something bad's gonna happen there. We're moving on. We're headed to Chicago. Yeah. Southside. Peace. Gone. But I couldn't see us living in Haddonfield. It's a tough life.

[Rob Harvilla]

That'd be a fun scene. Just crammed in out of nowhere. Just black family leaving.

[Diane]

We're out of here in 11 days.

[Rob Harvilla]

They could have done it.

[Diane]

You. You look at them and like, where are they going? And then you make the decision to go yourself.

[Rob Harvilla]

You up best that guy award. The doctor at the beginning that Chris mentioned. Who's the real Dr. Hoffman. Yeah. He was one of the Machi brothers in Happy Days, which was the most famous Happy Days episode. But he was also, more importantly, Drago's trainer in Rocky 4. Whatever he hits, he destroys.

[Chris Ryan]

I think. I think both star is the that guy.

[Rob Harvilla]

The over Michael Pataki.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, I think both star. The sheriff. Sheriff Meeker is definitely that guy, man.

[Diane]

Does. Is. Does Brady count as a that guy or.

[Chris Ryan]

No, that's a that guy for us.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah, he's Don.

[Chris Ryan]

But he actually didn't really do much besides days and confused.

[Rob Harvilla]

I just see him. I think he's done.

[Diane]

But he was in Buffy the Vampire Slayer as a. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

And he was in. He was in like, a couple episodes of NYPD Blue or something. But, like, he hasn't really done that much in the last 20 years because.

[Diane]

You got to have consistent dead guy energy.

[Rob Harvilla]

Recasting couch director.

[Chris Ryan]

Wait, did we do Dion?

[Rob Harvilla]

Oh, Dion. Sorry. Dion. Waiter's a word.

[Chris Ryan]

Kinmon.

[Rob Harvilla]

Right. I have the sheriff's daughter. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Or Richard stay as Wade, the guy who first asks her out.

[Diane]

Oh, yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Trying on the sunglasses and wearing the blazer and the discount mart.

[Diane]

He's going for it. Yeah. She tells him to off. I'm telling you, I like her. Rip.

[Rob Harvilla]

Rip to her Recasting couch. Director of City if you Were gonna not have Ellie Cornell in this and pick some other more famous actress from the late 80s, early 90s. Like what if I gave you Jennifer Connelly?

[Chris Ryan]

Sure. Is that your answer for any late 80?

[Rob Harvilla]

I'm just trying to think of somebody more famous than her.

[Chris Ryan]

What about like Justine Bateman? She too old?

[Rob Harvilla]

Justine? She's probably a tiny bit too old.

[Diane]

Tiny? Really? She's playing teen roles at that point.

[Rob Harvilla]

You know, I thought of Jennifer Aniston too, because she was in I think Leprechaun. Courtney Cox. Courtney Cox. Probably too old.

[Diane]

Really.

[Rob Harvilla]

Or maybe not. I don't know. But it would have been cool if somebody from that era. Shannon Doherty.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, that's a good one.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah.

[Diane]

She may be too young.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Diane]

This is what, 88?

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

If this was more prestigious, Winona Ryder would have. Would have been a good Winona Ryder.

[Diane]

Has Winona Ryder ever done like a straight on this type of horror movie?

[Rob Harvilla]

Heather's was the weirdest. Probably one.

[Diane]

Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth or someone else for the director's commentary. Sierra, what do you got?

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, Mike, they got pictures of Abe Lincoln on the wall here. One of our great presidents also looked oppressive.

[Rob Harvilla]

I'm going to run back Ryan Ruko. I studied some Ryan Ruko over the last few years.

[Chris Ryan]

I wasn't sure if you were going to bring Breen in. Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

Can Michael Myers throw someone into the electrical grid and shut down power Nov. Haddonfield? You bet. I like the. You bet. All right. There's Ruko Half ass research. They filmed in Salt Lake City instead of Pasadena. Had to import leaves and big squash for fake pumpkins. George P. Wilber played Myers and had to wear hockey pads under the costume to make himself look more physically imposing.

[Diane]

Wasn't big enough.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, the, the one. One of the other scripts. I think this is the Dennis Eon script which is available online. Had basically the stars or the heroes of the film would have been Lindsay and Tommy. Who are the kids that Laurie is babysitting in one.

[Diane]

Oh, see?

[Chris Ryan]

And that they basically have gone through like therapy.

[Rob Harvilla]

They're calling Lindsey in the car Lindsay.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. And it's. It's.

[Rob Harvilla]

It's weird.

[Chris Ryan]

That's basically a remnant, I think from. Would we use different other people from the. From the past in this?

[Rob Harvilla]

It's a better movie but it's basically.

[Chris Ryan]

Like they live across the street from each other but aren't allowed to communicate. Cause Lindsay's mom's really overprotective.

[Rob Harvilla]

I mean, that's a better Halloween.

[Chris Ryan]

I know.

[Rob Harvilla]

He just goes back to Kill.

[Chris Ryan]

And then he goes back to kill the kids.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah, you're right. Ellie Cornell cut her stomach open on a large nail while sliding down the roof and lost a lot of blood.

[Diane]

Jesus.

[Rob Harvilla]

The cast was really nervous about Daniel Harris, how young she was. So the Wilber, the guy who played the shape would take his mask off after every scene to remind her it was just a movie.

[Diane]

Right.

[Rob Harvilla]

That was nice. The Vincent Drugstore where Jamie goes to buy a costume is seen in the 90s in a movie that we've all seen. Can you name the movie in the.

[Diane]

90S in a movie we've all seen?

[Chris Ryan]

What kind of movie?

[Rob Harvilla]

Sports movie. Little kids.

[Diane]

Sandlot.

[Rob Harvilla]

Sandlot.

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, yeah.

[Diane]

I just knew that was going to be something different. I just knew you were about to go. The Vincent's drugstore in Salt Lake City was the scene of the classic 1961 sit in with the NICP.

[Rob Harvilla]

The schoolhouse. Chris mentioned the mask with the blonde hair. Then they decided that didn't work, but somehow didn't reshoot the scene where he had the blonde hair. And it's just fucking insane. But this is what was great about the 80s. They were like, will anyone notice? I probably notice.

[Chris Ryan]

It's some guy who's making out with his girlfriend in the second to back row of a movie theater. Really like, ugh. The mask work in this is.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah. What are they doing? So they decided after they viewed the movie, the director and Akad decided that the violence was too soft and they could commence with an extra day of blood filming. The thumb and the forehead killed.

[Diane]

No, I agree with it too. The movie is not at all gory.

[Rob Harvilla]

Mustafa was pissed.

[Chris Ryan]

It's more like you feel the dread. But there's not that much blood.

[Rob Harvilla]

So they filmed that and they filmed the neck twist, added. Two of the craziest kills were late editions.

[Diane]

Some of the kills like throwing the guy into the.

[Chris Ryan]

It's like a bar fight.

[Diane]

Yeah. It's like there's not a lot of you don't ever feel like, oh my God.

[Chris Ryan]

And we don't even really get to see like the mechanic getting killed and chained up.

[Diane]

Right.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

It's just like what Loomis sees at the end.

[Rob Harvilla]

Apex Mountain.

[Chris Ryan]

Probably nobody cops do it by the book T shirts.

[Rob Harvilla]

That one definitely. Pleasant's no. Mustafa Akad, he probably made more movies that made more money. Don Dawson. No way.

[Chris Ryan]

No.

[Rob Harvilla]

Right. Halloween. No. Serial killer movies. No, I couldn't think of a movie.

[Chris Ryan]

Dwight Little Dwight Hill Cops do it.

[Rob Harvilla]

By the book T shirts. Probably the Apex Mountain and Kidmont Is.

[Diane]

It an Apex Mountain for the serial killer is back. Like he's gone for a movie.

[Rob Harvilla]

Cause we had Freddie Jason.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. But by this point there's seven into Friday the 13th. So I feel like that's like now been established as almost say Slash or.

[Rob Harvilla]

Franchises maybe are back.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

Cruise or Hanks as who?

[Chris Ryan]

So I think that Cruise could play either young Cruz or young Hanks could play Brady.

[Rob Harvilla]

So can I give you old cruise? Is Dr. Loomis cruising it up like 73 year old Tom Cruise being like I watched him for 15 years.

[Diane]

Like going completely.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah, I think that's the answer. Right. What do you think, Craig?

[Craig]

Shouldn't it be for the main character? Like it should just be. Who should play Rachel Myers?

[Rob Harvilla]

Oh, the shape.

[Craig]

I guess Myers or Rachel. Like that. We should be deciding between those two characters.

[Rob Harvilla]

Well, it has to be a male character though. So that's the shape. Why can't the babysitter be a man?

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, I see what you mean. Like switch it to like male.

[Craig]

Like it would be Cruiser Hanks and the babysitter.

[Diane]

This is a very, very Millennials Gen.

[Craig]

Z. I'm not saying like the gender.

[Diane]

No, no, no, I get it.

[Rob Harvilla]

But you're saying gender. Flip it during.

[Diane]

I'm just saying who cares during this time.

[Rob Harvilla]

Old Cruise.

[Diane]

Sure. All right.

[Chris Ryan]

Okay, okay. We're doing Cruiser Hanks here as an exercise. Fucking Halloween 4.

[Rob Harvilla]

How are we doing this tap happening? Can we go? Old Cruise?

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, I like that.

[Rob Harvilla]

Racehorse rock band wrestler fantasy team name.

[Chris Ryan]

I think the Shape.

[Rob Harvilla]

Haddonfield something. Haddonfielders.

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, the Haddonfield Horrors.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah, Haddonfield Horrors.

[Diane]

I don't know. I don't have anything. Cops do it by the book.

[Rob Harvilla]

Cops do it by the bookers picking it. How did the kids in school know Myers was Jamie's uncle? How the fuck does that.

[Chris Ryan]

This is the thing is there's three different movies happening. There's little kids who know everything about Michael Myers.

[Rob Harvilla]

I promise I'm keeping that a secret.

[Chris Ryan]

And then who knows? Another thing. A lot of adoption happening in Haddonfield, but like adopting kids from two doors down. Lori's adopted, Jamie's adopted Haddonfield. Yeah, I mean it takes a village, but still.

[Diane]

But see, that's the thing that they. That's the meat left on the bone with the movie. Because you could paint the picture of Haddonfield as a. Haddonfield is like a totally up society and community.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah.

[Diane]

Because of everything that happened and like why all of these parents might have left and left their kids and all that dumbass shit. But they didn't do any of that. They only had 11 days.

[Rob Harvilla]

Would you adopt this, the niece of the most notorious serial killer in your town?

[Diane]

Unknowingly.

[Rob Harvilla]

Blood relative.

[Diane]

Unknowingly.

[Rob Harvilla]

But they knew.

[Diane]

Well, then, no. And if I adopted.

[Rob Harvilla]

That's a no for me.

[Diane]

If I adopted her and then I was, oh, well, we got a little bundle of joy, come home with us and live with us. And then I found out that's the.

[Chris Ryan]

Other thing that's really funny is like their dinner date takes up 2/3 of the movie where they're like, oh, he has to go out to get his promotion, so we have to take the boss out to dinner. And then they're just gone for the rest of the movie until they check in on the house and that's it.

[Rob Harvilla]

I mean, we did this extensively in Halloween one when we did that pod. But in Halloween you don't leave your house if you have kids, trick or treaters are coming. Nobody's like, you know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna leave my house alone under the care of somebody else. Where are you going on Halloween?

[Chris Ryan]

You're not a big, like, do you have any. Did you ever have teen babysitters watching your kids?

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah, somewhat. Somewhat. But I don't know, I, I just. Where are you going on Halloween?

[Chris Ryan]

When they would come over to check in for work, would you be watching Halloween?

[Diane]

Totally dodged that question.

[Rob Harvilla]

Well, we joked in Halloween one about like, was there like some Haddonfield Country Club tea party or what? What the fuck was going on? All these people. I just. Myers killed everyone. It's the 10 year anniversary. It's like, should we stay home, make sure nothing happens? No, no. Let's go out with the Johnsons.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

Like, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah, it's like a Tuesday night. Wouldn't Myers mask be banned in Haddonfield?

[Chris Ryan]

Yes, that's my point.

[Diane]

Yeah. Why are they selling it?

[Chris Ryan]

It's either got to be like the way Ghostface has become a phenomenon, or they're like, bury this and nobody knows about it.

[Diane]

Or Haddonfield, like you're saying Haddonfield is now a tourist attraction where people come and there's a whole Michael Myers museum.

[Rob Harvilla]

That almost makes more sense. And they did that in a later movie. Didn't they.

[Diane]

Play with the fact that.

[Chris Ryan]

They play with it?

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah, I don't like that. Haddonfield, they switched to filming, which was this middle class, middle America suburb in the first two movies. And now all of a sudden it's like rural farmland. We're in like the.

[Chris Ryan]

But it is supposed to be Illinois.

[Rob Harvilla]

Like they do try to like seem like Illinois though.

[Chris Ryan]

I agree with you, but I'm just saying I think that like the corn fields or like the farmlands are supposed to be like outside of that town.

[Rob Harvilla]

How did. I mean a lot of questions about Meyer's location stuff, but ends up in the same drugstore as his niece. She's trying on stuff. Like what are the odds?

[Chris Ryan]

Well, I thought that was supposed to be the vision. No, he is in the drugstore, right? Yeah, like. Cause he's in the reflection after she's.

[Diane]

He's. He's actually there. Sometimes she doesn't see him, but.

[Chris Ryan]

But I don't know how he's in the reflection of the mirror. But nobody else can see him standing in the thing.

[Rob Harvilla]

I have a lot of questions.

[Chris Ryan]

In five, it is the worst in five. It's like Michael Myers is like. I'm just doing this visually behind a bush like this.

[Diane]

Right.

[Chris Ryan]

The entire time.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Like you're just like. That's Michael Myers like right there. Like that's like, what are you guys doing?

[Rob Harvilla]

So Myers drives however many miles in.

[Chris Ryan]

Like a pretty 119 miles. Because it's a four hour drive at one point.

[Rob Harvilla]

Gas station truck.

[Chris Ryan]

Like when he gets the hitchhiking, it's 120 miles and the truck has been stolen. Yeah.

[Diane]

So you would think that somebody would be.

[Rob Harvilla]

Goes right to downtown Haddonfield, parks the car. I'm gonna go right into the drugstore with my fucking bandaged face. Maybe I can go in the back and nobody will know. Like I'm positive somebody's noticing this guy. And then just kind of lurks around until he can find a mask. But then he's got the mask on, he just kind of puts it over his head.

[Chris Ryan]

Perfect fit.

[Rob Harvilla]

Wouldn't you have to just unravel all the shit in your face? They just make this seem super easy. They left a lot out. Did Meyers know when he threw the guy through the power grid that it would then shut down power?

[Chris Ryan]

I think that is his goal. I think he's gone there to disrupt power.

[Diane]

So then Michael Myers also knows how the electrical grid of the town works?

[Chris Ryan]

Yes. I mean he's had a long time in his mental hospital to study different.

[Rob Harvilla]

Well, we talked about pieces of information. If he's the boogeyman, then Satan is guiding the boogeyman. Right. So Satan's telling him, go here, go.

[Chris Ryan]

To the power station.

[Rob Harvilla]

That's how you have to Explain it to yourself.

[Chris Ryan]

And you're gonna find the toughest big mouth ever at the power station. And all you have to do is body slam.

[Diane]

But he knows that guy's on shift.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Diane]

Because he staked it out.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah.

[Diane]

So he's gonna go there. He's like, this guy's gonna mouth off. We're throwing this guy into the goddamn power.

[Chris Ryan]

Just the weird urgency Hoffman has of getting Myers out of the asylum in the first place. And the lack of clarity about the hierarchy of the asylum where like Loomis works there. He's like, now that I've gotten rid of Michael Myers, Loomis will either retire or die. And it's like, what do you fucking care?

[Diane]

Like, why do you hate Loomis? Like, what's the big deal?

[Chris Ryan]

He like caught Michael Myers. That's like a pretty big get.

[Rob Harvilla]

They probably. There's probably like like what? Couple years of meetings where every meeting Loomis is like, I told you guys I was watching him for. And they're like, all right, man, we get it. You watched him for.

[Chris Ryan]

But he said something to him. He's like a federal prisoner. So he has like federal prisoners rights. And I'm like, this is.

[Rob Harvilla]

That's a federal prisoner. He just killed everyone in Illinois.

[Diane]

Maybe, maybe Loomis is too braggadocious about the fact that he got Michael Myers.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

He's at the bar being like, buy me a drink. I'll tell you about the time I caught the shape.

[Rob Harvilla]

Shot him 11 times. We blew up together. Any other nitpicks?

[Chris Ryan]

Just Myers killing 16 people in the first two films. And then they send two middle aged paramedics to pick him up at the High asylum.

[Rob Harvilla]

Come on, guys. Sequel prequel. Prestige tv. All black cast are untouchable. They basically done all of these except for Prestige tv.

[Diane]

Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

Still sitting there. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trejo, Sam Jackson, J.T. walsh, Byron Mayo, Harling Mays, Nell Evil Laughing Ramon, Raymond Long Legs or Philip Baker Hall.

[Chris Ryan]

I think that at the trick or treat night when Kelly, Rachel and Brady are having their argument, Byron Mayo waddles over with his Jack O lantern. He goes, kelly, Rachel, Brady. Why be at odds when we can be in a triangle? Somebody fire up some Folgers. Nothing activates the libido like fear.

[Rob Harvilla]

It's the witch. An hour.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

Oh my God, that'd be great.

[Chris Ryan]

Honestly, this movie would have been better with Robert Loggia in some role. You're telling me that this Michael Myers is back?

[Rob Harvilla]

Just one Oscar. Who gets it? Probably nobody, but maybe the score.

[Diane]

The score is great.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

All right.

[Diane]

That song. That's the. That song never gets all the hits.

[Rob Harvilla]

Probably unanswerable questions. Why didn't they just make Jamie the killer in Halloween 5? I don't have an answer. Just felt like that should have happened.

[Diane]

Make j. Make her character.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. Like, Halloween 5 starts, and Halloween 5.

[Rob Harvilla]

Is the little girl locked up.

[Chris Ryan]

And it's like, well, we have to let her out. Like, she didn't know what she was doing. She was just.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah, she blacked out.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Diane]

Do you remember Wes Craven's New Nightmare?

[Rob Harvilla]

Not really.

[Diane]

The movie where Freddy comes to life inside the actual movie.

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, yeah. Yes.

[Diane]

Right?

[Chris Ryan]

Yes.

[Diane]

That's the kind of stuff, to me that, like, I felt like they should have played around. Cause that's kind of like making her the killer. Cause in that movie, they're doing a new Freddy movie, and then Freddy comes to life, and he's in the movie itself. It's kind of a Freddy.

[Chris Ryan]

And they do that with Scream 3, basically, as well.

[Diane]

Yeah, I don't think they were to that point yet where they could be that inventive. They just gave the people what they wanted to get in.

[Chris Ryan]

My unanswerable question is just like, what is Dr. Loomis jurisdiction? You know, like, he's bossing around cops. He's bossing around people at the hospital. And he's always got a sidearm. And. Which is not something I usually associate with my mental health professionals.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah, you don't want the mental health professional to need more mental health help than the people he's helping.

[Chris Ryan]

And he's just got, like, a semiautomatic weapon in his trench coat. And it's just like, I'm here for Michael.

[Diane]

Mine is. Was the sheriff trying to get Brady killed?

[Rob Harvilla]

Hmm.

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, he doesn't give him a ton of instruction before.

[Diane]

He's like, brady, here's a shotgun. When you see Michael Myers, like, protect. Like, protect everyone. Brady, you know how to use a gun. Boom, boom, boom. Did he know Brady was fucking his daughter? And is he trying to get Brady killed?

[Rob Harvilla]

I would have done that if anyone was treating Zoe that way. Do you think when he kills Katherine Kinmont's character with the sheriff's daughter, the shotgun impalement. Yeah. Where was the. Do you think they. That was a little more graphic and they had to scale it back. Like, where do you think that shotgun went?

[Chris Ryan]

I think it went through her stomach. I think it actually. That happens in one of the David Gordon Green movies. They do that. And it's a little Bit more graphic, but I can't. Like the shotgun through the stomach. Move.

[Diane]

Oh, through the stomach.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, I think, if I remember correctly.

[Rob Harvilla]

All right, next unanswerable question.

[Diane]

Thought we were going somewhere else there. Moving on.

[Rob Harvilla]

I thought. See, he kind of does that.

[Diane]

That's what I'm. That's what he was.

[Chris Ryan]

I think it goes to her stomach. I don't think. Look, they pretty much suggest something similar to that. It's a late 80s five with a guy putting a condom on. And then he. He gets. He begins his sexual congress and Mike kills him.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

And it's like pretty like obvious what he's done.

[Diane]

Have you seen Terrifier 3?

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah.

[Diane]

So yeah, it happened.

[Chris Ryan]

Have you seen the Terrifier movies yet?

[Rob Harvilla]

Too gory for me. Okay. As you know, my stance. Would it have been more funny if this movie took place in Boston? When he goes to the electric. The power grid part. You think you're better than me? Can you tell me how to do my job?

[Diane]

Retainer.

[Rob Harvilla]

Best double feature choice. Interesting question.

[Chris Ryan]

I would say it's really just. One is the only narrative stuff you need to know. But two is good just to know why Donald Pleasence has such a fucked up face. Because he explodes.

[Rob Harvilla]

I also. At Halloween too.

[Chris Ryan]

Okay.

[Diane]

I go, jason Takes Manhattan. Oh, you ever see that?

[Rob Harvilla]

I like that movie.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, I do too.

[Diane]

It's just kind of Jason and Jason.

[Rob Harvilla]

That's like, let Jason cook. Just give him some.

[Chris Ryan]

It was a point where they were just like, what can we. Let's put him in space. Let's put him in the city. Let's do all sorts of stuff.

[Rob Harvilla]

You know he killed that movie. Aaron Judge. That's why he's dead.

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, my God.

[Rob Harvilla]

The Indian red Zawata word for what happened the next day. I'll tell you what didn't happen. They didn't find the body. Just went in that sinkhole.

[Chris Ryan]

They were like, ah, he's probably gone in five. The first scene of five is like, what happens next? And it's not only does he fall into the sinkhole, everything collapses on him. They also dynamite it and he just like floats away in groundwater and like, shows.

[Rob Harvilla]

Didn't anyone see First Blood?

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

Dynamiting a location. That's when you killed the guy.

[Chris Ryan]

Jamie. It turns out he didn't. She didn't kill her mom, even though it certainly seems that way in the film.

[Diane]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

But just injured her. And she goes to an insane asylum or like a mental institution. And she's mute. So we. We have a very clear Z.

[Diane]

Want Neo here and he and Michael Myers, just before you move on. He's. He's like Wolverine. He's got a. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

He goes to some dude's fish shack and recuperates and then kills the guy who helps him.

[Diane]

Right.

[Rob Harvilla]

They did a podcast though. What piece of memorability would you want from this movie?

[Diane]

The.

[Chris Ryan]

The guy in the fish shack was like, michael, they're taking too many threes. They're killing the game.

[Rob Harvilla]

I loved. What piece of memorabilia did you want?

[Diane]

The cops do it better.

[Rob Harvilla]

I had that as well.

[Chris Ryan]

Only one pick.

[Rob Harvilla]

Coach Finstock award, Best life lesson. Don't tell everyone you adopted the town murderer's niece. I'd start there. Any other life lessons?

[Diane]

How about don't adopt the town murderers? Or.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah, if you're gonna. Either way.

[Diane]

Or if you're going to adopt her like she should go live in a different town.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Diane]

Right.

[Rob Harvilla]

If you're going to name new identity.

[Diane]

Right.

[Rob Harvilla]

No, you're not this person's daughter.

[Chris Ryan]

If you're going to transfer a notorious killer based on the fact that he's been in a 10 year coma and you think he's withered away, just check. Check the biceps. Do a little bit of a combine test on him.

[Diane]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

And see, that's fair.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah. Bring in a masseuse.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

Who won the movie?

[Chris Ryan]

The masseuse. Who won the movie. I'm gonna go Daniel Harris. Because I think breathes a little new life into it. And she's really good. The way it ends, you're just like, holy shit. That's a terrifying last shot.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Of her holding the scissors. So, yeah. I'll go Daniel Harris.

[Diane]

He's probably right. But I'm gonna go Michael Myers.

[Rob Harvilla]

I had Myers as well. But I like the Daniel.

[Diane]

I like that take. Yeah. Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

Myers starts the franchise. We make 10 of these. Producer Craig, not a horror movie guy. Didn't enjoy Scary Month. Can't wait to get to next week. What'd you think?

[Diane]

Sure. You know? Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

How many Halloween movies have you seen now?

[Craig]

I've only seen Halloween one. So now just two.

[Diane]

Okay.

[Craig]

So this was a nice follow up based on what it sounds like. 2 and 3 are that this feels like a natural follow up to that.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Craig]

Look. The look and feel of these movies I like a lot because these feel like holiday movies to me. Unlike the Conjuring or Insidious or something. I'm like, this is like holiday horror, which I like. This is watchable. They're still scary in moments. But the like, the level of kitsch it Just feels inviting. Honestly, there's a lot of parallels to, like, Stranger Things.

[Rob Harvilla]

When I watch these movies, I think.

[Chris Ryan]

That they very purposely like, reference.

[Craig]

Totally. And I just think that I know that Stranger Things, a lot of people that, you know, the Spielberg influence. But I also think Halloween looks a lot like the idea of, like, the cursed city.

[Chris Ryan]

Hawkins is Haddonfield. The music is very similar. Yeah.

[Craig]

So, like.

[Rob Harvilla]

So Stranger Things ripped off Halloween, but.

[Diane]

It ripped off the genre. There were many cursed cities. Right. Like Springfield, like all it is.

[Chris Ryan]

And it borrows from the 80s kind of vibe. The camp, the stints, the leaves blowing across the suburban streets kind of thing.

[Diane]

I have a question for you. Yeah. I thought about this while I was watching the movie, knowing that we would be talking about it. Are you a Brady? Was that high school Craig?

[Craig]

Elaborate on that question.

[Rob Harvilla]

Yeah. This feels like a tough one to answer.

[Diane]

So I'm thinking. When I'm thinking about Brady, I'm thinking about a guy who means well, might have too much dip on his chip. Caught between two ladies, and I'm like, is Craig Brady? Are you a Brady? Would you have. Do you see yourself in Brady from this movie?

[Craig]

Are you saying, did I find myself in predicaments in high school where I.

[Rob Harvilla]

Had to decide between love triangles?

[Craig]

Two paths in life.

[Diane]

Two paths. Two ladies.

[Rob Harvilla]

Two paths.

[Diane]

Two loves. Two loves.

[Craig]

Two loves.

[Diane]

But then you make the good decision in the end. Like, I could see you. Cause Brady's not bad. Brady makes a impetuous, youthful decision, but then at the end, Brady steps up.

[Craig]

Sure, there might be some parallels between Brady and I, but. But I'll plead the fifth.

[Diane]

There you go. Yeah, that's smart.

[Rob Harvilla]

So you like this movie?

[Craig]

Yeah, these are fun. I have a good time with these.

[Chris Ryan]

It's not as gory, too.

[Craig]

No, these are, like, easy fun. Like I said, this is holiday horror, which I think it's an inviting feel. Also, the music is just so much better than anything. I was at a bar last weekend, and they remixed this song, and everybody was so into it.

[Diane]

To me, the music, that's the scariest part of the thing. Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

No question.

[Diane]

When that comes on, you know, that.

[Craig]

Wins the movie to me, every. I mean, that's actually the music.

[Diane]

He's actually. Yeah.

[Rob Harvilla]

All right, so scary month is over. What was your favorite of the five?

[Craig]

We did, I think Poltergeist. I like Poltergeist. Again, it's simple. You win for you, you know, you can. You can see why I like that in this. Over, you know, hereditary. And what was the other one. We did Hereditary.

[Rob Harvilla]

You hated hereditary. Yeah.

[Craig]

I don't think. I think that should be wiped from the Internet.

[Chris Ryan]

We had a couple. We had a couple that we didn't do well.

[Rob Harvilla]

We're still doing another scary month. We have some good ones left.

[Chris Ryan]

Halloween 25.

[Rob Harvilla]

What was that one?

[Chris Ryan]

No, Halloween.

[Rob Harvilla]

Oh, Halloween 2005.

[Craig]

Are we going to have a palate cleanser next week? Are we going to do like Shrek?

[Rob Harvilla]

We have some better plans. It will not be a palate cleanser. I can't wait for your reaction next week, Bill.

[Chris Ryan]

Thanks for having me.

[Rob Harvilla]

Cr Van thanks very much.

[Diane]

Thank you, brother.

[Rob Harvilla]

Don't forget to watch us on The Ringer Movies YouTube channel. Thanks to Craig Robert for producing.

[Diane]

See you next week.