‘Halloween II’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

Summary

The Rewatchables – ‘Halloween II’ with Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

Release Date: October 28, 2025
Podcast: The Rewatchables (The Ringer)
Guests: Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Van Lathan (plus Craig Robeck as regular guest/producer)
Movie: Halloween II (1981, Dir. Rick Rosenthal; written by John Carpenter and Debra Hill)

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Episode Overview

This Halloween-themed episode of The Rewatchables dives into the cult slasher sequel Halloween II. Bill Simmons is joined by Chris Ryan and Van Lathan for a rollicking, detailed, and hilarious breakdown. The hosts discuss the legacy of Michael Myers, the slasher explosion of the early ’80s, and the movie’s long shadow in pop culture. The group debates slasher villain supremacy, critiques story choices, riffs on the movie's most rewatchable and unintentionally comedic moments, and examines the nostalgia and absurdity of ’80s horror.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Why Do We Keep Coming Back to Michael Myers?

• Michael as the Slasher GOAT: Simmons declares, “First of all? The goat. The goat.” [03:36]
  • He argues Myers is more realistic and funnier than rivals like Freddy or Jason, has a “greater sense of purpose,” and ties himself to Haddonfield as his “spot.”
• Comparing Villain Icons:
  • Van Lathan: “Freddy has by far the most personality. These guys don’t have any. Freddy’s making jokes. If you do kung fu, Freddy will block that shit with a different discipline.” [05:00]
  • Chris: “You, you like greatness. You respect greatness.” [03:39]

2. The Allure and Structure of the Sequel

• Chris Ryan praises how Halloween II picks up on the same night as the original, maintaining “the same compressed pressure and tension” [03:00].
• Bill compares it to other slasher sequels and to Rocky II: “The idea is basically the night keeps going, and he just kills more people.” [21:20]
• Debates over the hospital setting:
  • “I would have gone a little less hospital, though. Maybe 40 minutes in the hospital.” —Simmons [22:45]
  • Van pitches an alternate sequel: Myers escapes mid-transport and goes on a rampage “one town over.” [23:12]

3. Laurie Strode’s Sibling Reveal—Best or Worst?

• Simmons calls revealing Laurie as Michael’s sister “my second least favorite thing for a sequel” and argues the franchise is better when Myers “has no purpose. Yes, he’s just a fucking serial killer.” [17:51–17:52]
• Chris and Van agree that tacking on the family connection “feels really stapled on.” [16:34]
• “In this movie, you get the feeling… they said, why are people watching this movie?” —Van [15:59]

4. Slasher Movie Logic and Satire

• The hosts delight in the absurdities of the slasher formula:
  • The randomness of Myers’ kills; “He kills women and then fat guys.” —Van [07:48]
  • “It depends...on our old friend the idiot plot, which requires that everyone in the movie behave at all times like an idiot.” —Roger Ebert, quoted by Bill [30:55]
  • Loomis as comic relief: “Loomis is basically just doing bits from his stand up comedy show.” —Simmons [42:39]

5. Best / Funniest Scenes and Kills

• The unintentional comedy in the Ben Tramer death scene gets most attention:
  • “My favorite scene, not only in this movie, but maybe it’s in the running for a fav. horror movie scenes ever. Loomis and the sheriff kill...not Michael Myers. They just see this guy from far away...and they just leave this burning kid.” —Simmons [38:16–39:56]
  • “That is the most hilarious scene. Burned, blown up, hit by car, shot...” —Van [38:37]
• Hot tub murder scene: An extensive and hilarious breakdown of the logistics, ick-factor, and gratuitous nudity: “To legitimately have sex in the physical therapy hot tub of your job, you would have to really, really want it.” —Van [45:04]
  • “It’s so unhygienic.” —Chris [45:25]

6. The Evolution of Horror & Cultural Reflections

• Halloween II’s place in slasher canon and 1981 nostalgia—urban legends (razor blades in apples!), nurse hats, and boomboxes [53:19–54:25]
• “I love Halloween because I came to Michael Myers later…I like [that he] doesn’t talk, walks, kills, completely strong…Drives, relentless.” —Van [09:38]
• Reflections on how Halloween as a holiday has changed, becoming less for kids and more adult-oriented over the decades [54:48; 103:42]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Slasher Villain Debates

• Bill: “My favorite thing about Myers is horny Myers, which we really only get in 1 and 2. I like when he’s like, I’m not just going to kill both people in this hotel. Yeah. I’m going to watch a little. I’m a little bit of a voyeur. I might even try to grab some boob here.” [04:16]

• Van: “Freddy, to me, Freddy has pizzazz and flair. And to be honest with you, he was by far the most terrifying…because you had to fall asleep.” [05:00]

On Ben Tramer’s Death

• Chris: “He gets hit by the car and like dragged 10ft into the other car. Jackknifed into a van and incinerated.” [40:10]
• Simmons: “There’s so many questions like why, where was the cop coming from? Why was there a white van there just in the middle of the road?” [39:30]

Loomis’s Mania

• Chris: “He keeps trying to, like, convince people he’s not crazy.” [43:36]
• Simmons: “Loomis is basically just doing bits from his stand up comedy show that’s not funny to everyone who will listen.” [42:39]

Horror and Nostalgia

• Chris: “The score is fantastic. The unintentional comedy. It’s great. I was thinking, since the Halloween movies have been going on for so long, are there a lot of other horror films set around Halloween, or does this franchise kind of have Halloween?” [103:15]

• Craig: “These are definitely my types of horror films. I don’t love really, really scary movies, but this is that perfect sweet spot. I like these because they just feel like the holidays.” [103:00]

’80s Inexplicability

• Bill: “Who’s just hanging out at home with the door open at 11 at night?” [37:23]
• Chris: “There was no Apple Watch sandwich at midnight and watch Night of the Living Dead.” [36:39]

On Laurie’s Role in the Sequel

• Chris: “I just think Laurie’s a zero in this movie…incapacitating Jamie Lee Curtis…having her essentially in a fugue state…It’s kind of like, use her or don’t have her.” [63:33]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Intro, context, and first impressions: 00:00–03:16
• Villain Rankings (Myers vs. Freddy vs. Jason/Leatherface): 03:27–08:49
• Sequels, Supernatural vs. Slasher Logic: 10:07–16:11
• Sibling twist critique and franchise mythology: 16:34–18:39
• Best sequel structure / Hospital setting debate: 21:20–24:02
• Unintentional Comedy Hall of Fame: Ben Tramer (Rewatchable Scene): 38:16–40:12
• Hospital hot tub murder deep dive: 44:10–49:51
• What Aged Best / Worst and Movie Lore: 57:06–68:59
• 1981 Nostalgia & Urban Legends: 53:01–54:48
• Categories: Best Food, Character Name, Needle Drop, Flex/live research: 62:10–74:48
• Nitpicks & Unanswerable Questions: 88:25–98:27
• Halloween’s Changing Legacy & Social Commentary: 103:33–105:49

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Additional Highlights

Rewatchable Scenes & ’80s Kitsch

• Opening Sequence: “One of the best starts…opening credits with the pumpkin, Loomis on the warpath, ‘You don’t know what death is!’” [35:13]
• Hot tub scene: “One of the better horror movie murders of the ’80s…the repeated…face comes up and there’s less skin.” —Bill [49:51]
• Myers’ efficiency at the hospital: “Kills the ER doctor, four nurses in, like, 45 minutes. Just, like, really efficient. It decimates the medical industry there.” —Bill [61:13]

Cultural & Social Commentary

• How Halloween II reflects urban legends of the era (razor blades in apples), the shifting flavor of Halloween from kids to grownups, and the “idiot plot” that drives so much of slasher horror [54:25–56:13]
• Noting the near-complete absence of Black characters in the franchise until the 2000s; Van jokingly speculates Myers was “radicalized by the OJ trial” [71:11–73:36]
• The bizarre lack of parental presence for Laurie Strode: “At no point did they go to the hospital and check her out…” [74:45]

Behind-the-Scenes / Trivia

• Jamie Lee Curtis wears a wig due to shooting another film, and “the wig…especially now that the screens are nicer, you can see it.” —Bill [67:02]
• Halloween II’s iconic mask was the same as the first’s, but turned yellow “because Deborah Hill was a heavy smoker and kept it under her bed.” [68:53]

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Episode Tone & Style

Breezy, fast-talking, irreverent, and at times self-mocking, the hosts celebrate both the unintentional comedy and enduring power of Halloween II. They alternate deep genre analysis with nostalgic asides, pop culture riffs, and genuine admiration for the fun and creativity of slasher horror.

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Conclusion: Who Won the Movie?

• Biggest winners: Michael Myers (“Big Mikey Mike, right.” —Van [102:05])
• Runner-up: Loomis (for “commitment to the bit”; his descent into madness carries the film’s energy)
• The hosts agree: Halloween II is no masterpiece, but its blend of tension, absurdity, and nostalgia makes it “the perfect sweet spot” for Halloween viewing [103:00].

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Final Takeaway

Halloween II represents both the high and low of ’80s horror: more kills, more laughs, and a surprisingly sharp lens on the anxieties and pleasures of American suburbia. Simmons, Ryan, and Lathan chart it all with a blend of affection, irreverence, and pop-culture savvy—making this a can’t-miss episode for slasher fans and movie obsessives alike.

Transcript

[Bill Simmons]

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[Chris Ryan]

Hail Satan.

[Bill Simmons]

You can find higher learning.

[Chris Ryan]

What for Halloween, man?

[Bill Simmons]

Oh, what are you Sam Haining us right now?

[Chris Ryan]

I'm Sam Haining you.

[Sierra]

Oh, gotcha. Okay, cool. Cause I'm from Louisiana.

[Bill Simmons]

Higher learning.

[Sierra]

Yeah. Ringer tailgate.

[Bill Simmons]

Ringer tailgate.

[Sierra]

I can't remember the name of the party.

[Bill Simmons]

Saturday nights and midnight boys. I just didn't know what order you.

[Sierra]

Wanted me to go in. Wednesday and Saturday for.

[Bill Simmons]

Ringer tailgate.

[Sierra]

Lot of stuff to talk about. Ringer tailgate copy. Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

You lost your LSU coach. We're going to take of the pod. This is the threesome that re that convened for Halloween 4, the return of Michael Myers. You can see him right there when he came back. We've also done Halloween 1. For some reason, we haven't done Halloween 2 yet. We've done out of Order. Did this with Rocky too. We still have not done Rocky 2. We'd not done Halloween 2. We're about to do it. A horror movie that is now a comedy. And it's next. This episode of the Rewatchables is presented by Paramount plus. Around here, we love talking about rewatchable movies almost as much as we love watching them. Paramount plus has movies, a mountain of them. New movies and also the classics that we keep coming back to. Almost Famous Gladiator, Top Gun, the Naked Gun, that mall, whatever. Whether you want to relive your favorite moments or catch the latest blockbusters or dive into some old 90210, there's a mountain of movies to discover on Paramount plus start streaming today. All right, guys. The early 80s, just a sweet spot for horror movies that are now hilariously funny. This movie is really funny. It's full of inexplicable decisions. What is your relationship with this movie, Sierra?

[Chris Ryan]

What's my relationship with this movie? Well, I love the Halloween movies and I think this is the best of the sequels. Even though I have a real, real soft spot for Season of the Witch.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah, I Know that.

[Chris Ryan]

Which I know.

[Bill Simmons]

Which is so weird. I don't like that movie at all.

[Chris Ryan]

I also like H2O.

[Bill Simmons]

I did too.

[Sierra]

Oh, wow. A little cool J.

[Chris Ryan]

This is so cool.

[Bill Simmons]

Black guy ever to survive a horror movie.

[Sierra]

Well, that's because he wasn't killed in the horror way. Remember what happened to him?

[Bill Simmons]

They zagged on him.

[Sierra]

They zagged on him. It was like a mistaken shooting thing. And then they were like, we can't let him die like that. It's like, cool, Jack.

[Chris Ryan]

I think that the scissors. Really cool. Because it happens on the same night. Like, it's very rare that you get a sequel that captures the same compressed pressure and tension of the first one. Usually it would be like five years later, ten years later, eight years later. This is like, nah, this is. We're right back in it.

[Bill Simmons]

Jamie Lee's got a wig on.

[Chris Ryan]

It's still Halloween. We're still in Haddonfield. Jamie Lee's got a wig on. Loomis is running around looking for cigarettes and it. It goes off. I want to ask you.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

This is our third time around the block with Mike.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Jason. No. Freddy. No. Leatherface. What keeps bringing you back to the shape?

[Bill Simmons]

First of all? The goat. The goat.

[Chris Ryan]

You, you like greatness. You respect greatness.

[Sierra]

You feel like Michael Myers is the goat.

[Bill Simmons]

I was going to do this later because it's him versus Voorhees in the finals. You would say, Freddie.

[Chris Ryan]

I. I'd say Freddy is like a three seed. Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

Okay. But versus Voorhees. Myers. More realistic. Original came first. Funnier. Just flat out funnier than Voorhees. I thought he had more of a purpose.

[Sierra]

Right.

[Bill Simmons]

I don't really know what Voorhees. It's like, yeah, I drowned in this lake. I'm just gonna kind of protect this campsite. But now I' to be in Manhattan, I'm going to be at like Myers is.

[Chris Ryan]

That's like an eight though, dude.

[Bill Simmons]

I know, but Myers is like, Haddonfield's my spot. But my favorite thing about Myers is horny Myers, which we really only get in 1 and 2. I like what he's like. I'm not just going to kill both people in this hotel. Yeah. I'm going to watch a little. I'm a little bit of a voyeur. I might even try to grab some boob here.

[Sierra]

Oh, my God. Yeah, he did.

[Bill Simmons]

He went for it. He was an 18 year old going through some stuff which I think she's.

[Sierra]

Licking on the hand and all of that stuff.

[Bill Simmons]

Oh, yeah. Myers is like, oh, there's Karen.

[Sierra]

Jesus. I'm different in that. Am I off? I feel like Freddie is the clear guy. I don't know why. Really, I do.

[Bill Simmons]

What's the case for Freddie?

[Sierra]

A couple of things.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. Is he realistic?

[Sierra]

No, Freddie is definitely not realistic. To me. Of all of these guys, Freddie has by far the most personality. These guys don't have any personality. Freddy's got personal. Welcome to prime time, bitch. Yeah, Freddy is. Freddie's making jokes. Freddie, if you do kung fu, Freddie will block that shit with a different discipline. Freddie, to me, Freddie has pizzazz and flair. And to be honest with you, he was by far the most terrifying. Because these two guys, obviously, they're forces of nature and you can't stop them and all of that stuff, but I just used to be so afraid of Freddie because you had to fall asleep.

[Bill Simmons]

Did Freddie exist, though?

[Chris Ryan]

Did Freddie exist?

[Bill Simmons]

Did he exist or was he just involved?

[Chris Ryan]

He was a serial killer that was, like, murdered by the town. Wasn't he burned?

[Sierra]

Cause he was fucking with kids.

[Bill Simmons]

But was he a real person, though, when he was killing all these people? Was he killing them?

[Chris Ryan]

No, he was a figment of their subconscious.

[Bill Simmons]

Right.

[Sierra]

He's a sleep demon.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah, but that's not. Myers was a real person, at least at the start.

[Chris Ryan]

What are you talking about?

[Bill Simmons]

He thought about it for 15 years. He was impatient.

[Sierra]

But you understand that Freddy Krueger was also a real person who was killed and then made a deal with a sleep demon spirit and became a manifestation.

[Bill Simmons]

And he's in the demon bracket. That's like a who. Different bracket.

[Chris Ryan]

Then there's nothing realer than Leatherface. There's nothing.

[Sierra]

Just.

[Bill Simmons]

Just understand.

[Sierra]

Understand that. Also, if you're talking about real. I know they canonized it, but there's the whole curse thing that happened. And this.

[Chris Ryan]

We did this when we did Return of Michael Myers.

[Bill Simmons]

There's Thorn.

[Sierra]

Supernatural into a Supernatural.

[Bill Simmons]

They had to do that for the sequels. Leatherface out of shape. You kind of. He kind of had to. It had to be a home game for him. He needed you in his house. I don't think he could have gone on location.

[Chris Ryan]

You don't think the Leatherface.

[Bill Simmons]

I think he needed the crowd. He needed. He needed some help.

[Chris Ryan]

He's a dope.

[Bill Simmons]

He needed a chainsaw.

[Craig Robeck]

Yeah, right, right.

[Bill Simmons]

Like, note, what was Leatherface without a chainsaw? Myers was like. He had hypodermic needles. He had kitchen knives. Like, if you're making a ham sandwich at night, he'll just knife.

[Sierra]

These are true killers.

[Craig Robeck]

We really needed, like a hell in the cell with all these guys. Maybe, you know, we should have brought them all together for like an expensive.

[Chris Ryan]

So you're saying Leather Face is like golf outside in the winter?

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah, he needs the dome. He needs Ben Johnson.

[Sierra]

Well, Myers, any system. Yeah, any system Myers is good in.

[Bill Simmons]

Nobody would have been better as a movie serial killer. Just wandering around a town after being shot six times, being like, oh, that girl's on the phone. I think I'll just take her out just for sport.

[Sierra]

But you do real. First of all, that's actually a critique I have of the movie.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah, he.

[Sierra]

I can make an argument. Freddie, don't pass up no bodies. Freddie, see you. He kill you. You out. Okay, you're done. There are times in this movie, well, Myers is running from the grind. Myers is walking to the hospital. There are kids walking by him and stuff like that.

[Bill Simmons]

He doesn't kill kids, though.

[Sierra]

I know, but he kills women and then fat guys, right? So like, people.

[Chris Ryan]

Like, he kills athletic guys, too, kind.

[Sierra]

Of sometimes maybe if one gets in his way.

[Bill Simmons]

Babies off limits for Myers. He had a chance to take out the whole nursery. It was too easy.

[Sierra]

Yeah. What are they gonna do?

[Bill Simmons]

That would be evil to do that.

[Chris Ryan]

This is Halloween 1A instead of Halloween 2. It's basically like, did you like Halloween? What if we supersized it? What if we just kept it going? So many sequels wind up being like, well, now we have to explain this, and now we have to do that. And future Halloween movies did that. But this is just like, what if the night just went on and he came back?

[Bill Simmons]

Well, and with more murders. It's a super size because we're in the slasher era, which from 79 to 81 gives us Friday the 13th, Halloween ripoff part two. Prom night fun House. When a stranger calls Terror Train, he knows you're alone. Happy birthday to me. And Halloween, too.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

All in, like two and a half years. And it's just this becomes. You can make these for 400k and make 20 million potentially. And guess what? I've seen all of them.

[Chris Ryan]

They're very reliable.

[Bill Simmons]

The one that was the best idea that wasn't executed the best was Terror Train.

[Chris Ryan]

Okay.

[Bill Simmons]

Just a really good idea for a horror movie. Like, you're on a train. You can kind of sneak in out of the cars, you can wander around. I. I still feel like trains would have been a good. Somebody should have figured that out. Why are you staring at me like that?

[Sierra]

I'm not.

[Bill Simmons]

Well, what do you think the best location Is.

[Sierra]

No, I'm not. Well, no, I'm. I'm. I'm listening to you. I've never seen Terror Train before. I've never seen it.

[Bill Simmons]

It's exactly what you think it is. But. But poorly done.

[Chris Ryan]

My favorite location, Prom night wasn't bad either.

[Bill Simmons]

Prom night was a good one.

[Chris Ryan]

Good Jamie Lee Sleepaway camp. Would you consider that Slasher?

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Okay.

[Bill Simmons]

And then 82 had even more of them, including one of my all time favorites, Silent Rage, which is unfortunately too obscure to do in the rewatchables.

[Sierra]

I love Halloween. And I love Halloween because I came to Michael Myers later. I should also say that Freddie was my just in my formative terror. It was Freddie. Right?

[Bill Simmons]

Right.

[Sierra]

But I came to Michael Myers later and I like Michael Myers. Doesn't talk, walks, kills completely strong couple head pulls. Overwhelming like, you know, the whole deal. Drives, drives relentless.

[Bill Simmons]

Knows where the phone lines and the power is and every place he goes.

[Chris Ryan]

Knows about Celtic like, you know, pagan rituals.

[Bill Simmons]

You know, we talked about that in the Halloween one pod. Like, so you assume he's possessed by some evil spirit that can then give him the answers in his head because he was in a.

[Chris Ryan]

You wouldn't have assumed that when you first watched Halloween though, right.

[Bill Simmons]

By Halloween too, it's like because he got coming back totally realistic. He could just find where the elementary school is, maybe deface some. Some pictures, write Sam Hain on the chalkboard. Then he's off to his next stop. He could follow the Hollywood Haddonfield Hospital. Science. Oh, it's to say that. So I'm taking a left here. Cool.

[Sierra]

This is my problem. Or it was my problem back then with the slasher movie.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Is when I would watch horror movies, I would need to feel overwhelmed. Like there's something that I cannot stop, you know. And then with Michael Myers, you know, I feel like if you can get to the car, he's just gonna walk. You're out. You could blow him up. You could do stuff. That's why it was always the supernatural stuff for me. I mean, you could. If you had like. Let's say you had like an rpg.

[Bill Simmons]

Yes.

[Chris Ryan]

If you have.

[Sierra]

It's fucking over. Michael Myers, like if you have it, right? If you like, if you. But for me, a lot of the horror movies that I watched, particularly during the 80s, they were all supernatural in some way. What you gonna do with Hellraiser, right? You're fucked. You know, like Freddy, all of that you gotta get. You gotta go. To beat guys like that, you have to go find some old Ancient nun. That's like, this is an evil that's been around for eons. And, you know. And so you. That was the stuff that really scared me. But later on, I came to love the slasher movie.

[Bill Simmons]

Okay, can we talk about that? You are. You're Team Freddie. I get it.

[Sierra]

Right?

[Bill Simmons]

We haven't done a nightmare movie yet.

[Chris Ryan]

We haven't. We haven't done Friday yet.

[Sierra]

I guess my thing is, what's your issue with Freddie, since you're excluding him from.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, because that's the thing is I can't tell if you're holding onto these and letting them accrue value or whether you're just like, I actually don't want to do Voorhees.

[Bill Simmons]

No, we should do Voorhees. I mean, the Friday the 13th have not aged great, but we should probably do.

[Chris Ryan]

I kind of disagree.

[Bill Simmons]

One and Two. Which one do you like? I really like two.

[Chris Ryan]

I like Final Chapter a lot. That's the one with Corey Feldman.

[Bill Simmons]

Oh, that movie's great. Yeah, those two are really good. Yeah, I do like the Corey Feldman one. That would have been a great. Feldman just should have become Voorhees.

[Chris Ryan]

Crispin Glover's Too short.

[Bill Simmons]

And the kid from Last American Virgin, Lawrence Monison. Okay, let's talk about worst ideas ever in a sequel for movies that I actually love, because I think Myers turning out to be Laurie's brother in Halloween 2 is my second least favorite thing for a sequel. I'm going to give you my top four. Coming in at number four, Rocky losing all of his money in Rocky V thanks to some bad Paulie investments. Why the fuck are you letting Paulie invest anything?

[Sierra]

Can I ask you. Stop.

[Bill Simmons]

I know you like Rocky 5.

[Sierra]

Stop. It enrages me. I have an irrational. Even during. Even as a kid, I was fucking 10 years old or something like that. I was like, you mean to tell me this fucking guy gets his head beat in for years and years and.

[Bill Simmons]

Years for no money?

[Sierra]

On Christmas, for no money? Then he goes back to Philly. Yeah, tough living, okay? Yeah, tough living.

[Chris Ryan]

It gives and it takes.

[Sierra]

And by the way, no one to even give Rocky any real advice. Because there should have been someone that should have said, hey, Rocky, just to let you know, you don't have to. You're still one of the most famous guys in all of sports. You could go sign autographs. You could do commercials. There's all kinds of things.

[Bill Simmons]

Buy 2% of the Eagles.

[Sierra]

There's a lot of things Rocky could have done. Even after Paulie lost all his Money. He didn't have to become the trainer for the up and coming heavyweight who didn't respect him. That movie enrages me, even though I like it. I can't believe the decision to take all of his money.

[Chris Ryan]

And now we know he could have been in Cosa Nostra sponsored poker games. That's where he could have lost his money.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Come play games.

[Bill Simmons]

Could introduce him to Flappy. Yeah, Flappy. That's number four. Number three for me is Godfather three. The decision to have Michael's daughter fall in love with Sonny's illegitimate son.

[Craig Robeck]

Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

I can't believe nobody at any point talked Coppola out of this. Like, wait a second. This is kind of fucked up, man. Sonny and Michael were brothers. Don't do this. Not to mention, don't cast your.

[Chris Ryan]

What?

[Bill Simmons]

So that's number three. Cutter, it was a first cousin.

[Sierra]

I know, but I'm saying just, hey, you can't. It's your cousin.

[Bill Simmons]

So number two for me is it turns out Michael Myers was Laurie's brother and Lori got pulled away and adopted. I want to go into that in a second. Number one for me. I've texted you both about this. Another 48 hours. Keo becoming the Iceman.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, that's number one.

[Sierra]

Number one.

[Bill Simmons]

It's just because it changes how you watch.

[Sierra]

Who gives a shit? No, his brain is so.

[Bill Simmons]

I know.

[Chris Ryan]

It changes the first three hours.

[Bill Simmons]

It changes how you watch 48 hours one because you're watching it going, well, Kyo's the Iceman. Why is he helping him? Why is he telling. Reggie called. Like, it's just. This is the thing.

[Chris Ryan]

We watch stuff now. Yeah. Such a different perspective.

[Bill Simmons]

Right.

[Chris Ryan]

Where we're like Game of Thrones. Like, we're going to figure out, like, what this dream means and whether or not, like, that means a dragon's going to fly.

[Bill Simmons]

Ties into season two actually does pay.

[Chris Ryan]

Off when you have, like, attention to detail, like the way that Game of Thrones generally had. They were making this shit up as they went along. There are obvious scenes in Halloween 2 that are like, John Carpenter's idea of, like, maybe we can make this an anthology. There's stuff that they put in after the fact because they felt like it was. And testing.

[Sierra]

Right.

[Chris Ryan]

Whatever it was. So it's just like, when we go back and we're just like, kehoe can't be the Iceman. It's like. Or he could be. They just decided he was.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

In this movie, you get the feeling that there was at. At some point in the times that people that people went, the people that were making the film, that they said, why? Why are we, people watching this movie?

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah, what's our hook for this one?

[Sierra]

Yeah, like, are they watching to continue the story? The first story was so great. This movie is gonna take that kinetic energy and bring you right back there. More kills, more thrills. Or is there a deeper movie and a deeper motivation for Michael Myers to be this obsessed that we need to put in a movie for it to make sense to people? And they just decided to go with it.

[Chris Ryan]

So when you arrive at that question, you arrive at like, do you think Season of the Witch is good or not? Now, I understand that that movie has detractors. I happen to be a supporter of it. But what it does is, is it was essentially John Carpenter and Debra Hill's idea that the overall vibe of Halloween was the star and not Michael Myers. And that the synths, the Dean Cundy cinematography, the like, the just the feeling of it, that's what Halloween is. And Michael Myers is just one character in what could be many stories that are kind of set on that night or around that night. I actually think that's right. And you, you're right. Them being like, well, how can we make the stakes feel higher? She has to be his sister. And that kind of feels really stapled on, like the flashback sequences from like the sanitarium or whatever that we're seeing in the movie.

[Bill Simmons]

So why are they taking her to the sanitarium?

[Chris Ryan]

Exactly?

[Bill Simmons]

The parents, they said the parents are dead. So the adoptive parents are like, you know, maybe she should have a relationship with her homicidal brother. Let's take her to. To Smith's Grove and she can just be scared by this. It makes no sense. I thought. I mean, there's. That part makes no sense. But on top of it, I actually think it's. The movie's better and the franchise is better when Myers has no purpose. Yes, he's just a fucking serial killer.

[Chris Ryan]

He's a killing machine.

[Bill Simmons]

He found he was in his little brown station wagon and saw these three girls in Halloween one. And one of them's like, hey, asshole, speed kills. And he's like, that's it. I'm fucking killing those girls tonight. There's nothing about related.

[Sierra]

But I will say that I guess what happens is with Michael's increasing resistance to death, like they've tried to kill him every way. We'll talk about it later on, but man, if Loomis don't get rid of that 1982 Hill Street Blues ass gun that's not doing shit. That old ass revolver that Michael just eating those like Chiclets, right? Just pop, pop, pop, get off.

[Bill Simmons]

They're like little BB guns.

[Sierra]

He's like, he get hit a couple of times in the head and he laughs, he smiles. Get that shit away from here.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

But with that, with his increasingly, he just can't be stopped. The question then would become like, why is it for the love of the game? After a while you would just think, maybe you'll stop. But if there's something deeper, maybe you can hook the audience into believing that this obsession is rooted in something.

[Chris Ryan]

So that's why I think that the second one works so well, though, because it's the same night. So you wouldn't be like, we've called the National Garden. You know what I mean? You wouldn't be like, we've got a SEAL team on the way. There's a unstoppable supernatural killer on the loose in suburban Illinois, you know, but it's still happening. Yeah, it's like. It's like we haven't even gotten our hands around this Halloween night is still happening in other pockets of this town. That's the funniest thing. When you're watching him walk around the small town and the guy's walking right by with the boombox and I'm like, how is this not like cops are driving up and down the street on loudspeakers being like, get off the streets. Michael Myers is back.

[Bill Simmons]

Well, that was Loomis's terrible advice in the first movie. He's like, you can't keep quiet. Yeah. Then everybody will see him. There'll be panic in the streets. It's like, maybe a good thing.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

This guy's a fucking serial killer. Maybe he should get the word out.

[Sierra]

Yeah. Loomis is the Brian Kelly of serial killer stoppers. Loomis is literally. He's the Brian Kelly. Loomis. He has, for some reason, all the respect, but gets nothing right. Just continues to take losses, losses till somebody, you go, can somebody kill Loomis? Everything will be better if Loomis is out of here. Loomis. Everything Loomis wants to do and then he just doesn't. He's not inspiring in any way.

[Bill Simmons]

And he's wearing a brown raincoat 24 hours a day. Like, even during the day when it's like 75 in Haddonfield. I don't understand anything about Loomis. Why does he have a gun? He's like a therapist.

[Chris Ryan]

He's also died as many Times as Michael Myers.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah, true.

[Sierra]

He's as obsessed as Myers is. When I was a kid, the thing that scared me the most about this movie, though, was what you're talking about. It was the tone of the movie. It was the fact that I hadn't really seen a horror movie where the guy was just walking around and people didn't realize the type of danger that they were in. That used to bother me.

[Craig Robeck]

Right.

[Sierra]

Like, people didn't realize that death was lurking right around the corner. He was walking past them, could grab one of them at any moment. Like I said, maybe he should have. But that when I was watching it, just the way that the movie was shot, almost as if it were a documentary, that's what used to bother me about it.

[Bill Simmons]

Well, what's the best version of this sequel? Because to me, as weird as this sounds, it's very similar to Rocky II, where Rocky 1's a huge success, and at some point they realize, gotta do this again. Gotta do Rocky 2. We'll just continue it the same night, and then we'll try to figure out the story as we go along. But basically, this time, he'll win. But Rocky II starts the same way, where you see the ending of Rocky 1. Then we go into the ambulances in Rocky II, and they're playing the music. The hospital, he goes to see Creed. But they kind of don't really have an idea for that movie other than he has to win this time. And in this one, the idea is basically the night keeps going and he just kills more people. If we had been in the room, I don't think the last part should have been rooted in the hospital. I actually like when he's just kind of moving around Haddonfield. Like what you guys said, where it's. It's scarier. Just have them in the middle of normal activity.

[Chris Ryan]

So are we pitching alternate sequel ideas here, or are you talking.

[Bill Simmons]

I'm saying for Halloween 2 specifically, we end up in a hospital for the last hour plus of the movie, and it just becomes a hospital movie, which I could. That could be any serial killer movie. Like, the scary part is Haddonfield and him wandering around. I think that's been some of the stuff that's worked the best in the other Halloween movies.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, I mean, I think the hospital at least gives it. It distinguishes it from the first one.

[Bill Simmons]

True.

[Chris Ryan]

Because if you had the second one and it's just him stalking around suburban.

[Bill Simmons]

Streets, I would have gone a little less hospital, though. Maybe 40 minutes in the hospital.

[Sierra]

To me, you had to Change something about the movie in order to exactly make it unique. So the setting of it being kind of enclosed is kind of the different thing here. I think the best version of the sequel is you think Michael's dead. They're transporting him away. They get maybe like two, three hours outside of Haddonfield. Right. Or even like an hour.

[Bill Simmons]

He pulls the lecter. He pulls the mask off.

[Sierra]

He pulls the mask off. Or there's a car accident. He flies out, he grabs a scalpel, and now he's rampaging around in that town. Which then gives the people in Haddonfield they're close enough for him to start killing. And then for them to come from there to the new town and try to convince people that Michael Myers is going crazy. But. But it's like Halloween 2, one town over.

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, yeah. Ooh, Halloween 2. Colon.

[Bill Simmons]

One town over.

[Sierra]

One town over. Because it's still Halloween.

[Bill Simmons]

Colon, one town over.

[Sierra]

Yeah, like it's still Halloween. And these people, like, they might have heard a little bit. Did you hear what's happening in Haddonfield? And whatever, whatever. But it starts to happen to them.

[Bill Simmons]

Could it, could it just be Cleveland? Halloween 2 Cleveland let loose.

[Chris Ryan]

Like.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah, he's just coming out of a CAVS game in 1981.

[Chris Ryan]

Unlike Jason, Mike never had away games, you know.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah, true. Well, I think, as I said earlier, the best thing about this movie, all these years later, it's been 1981. So what's that, 44 years? The movie fogging is hilarious now.

[Chris Ryan]

It's unbelievable.

[Bill Simmons]

And we'll go into some of the scenes, but the scene when Ben Tramer gets tragically killed, I can't wait to talk about that. That all the stuff in the hospital. Oh my God, I can't wait. So I want to save it for when we get to the rewatchable. Stu Carpenter and Deborah Hill co wrote the screenplay. Carpenter didn't want to direct. He ended up doing Escape from New York, a beloved movie for us.

[Sierra]

Yes.

[Bill Simmons]

Handed the direction over to Rick Rosenthal and he ended up getting a little involved in filming some stuff.

[Chris Ryan]

But he had wanted this to be an anthology series. And he didn't think Michael Myers was like. He was like, you can't build a movie about around this guy and kill him at the end of every movie. And then he comes back at the next movie.

[Bill Simmons]

Oh, little did he know, he ended up doing 12.

[Sierra]

Were we yet in the era of the singular entity slasher movie that comes back for like five movies, have we quite gotten there yet? Maybe he didn't believe in It.

[Bill Simmons]

Because the guy that doesn't die was not a concept.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. More Myers and Voorhees, I think, to my knowledge, are like the first ones to be like, well, the GIMMICK for.

[Bill Simmons]

Part two of Friday 13th was the mom was the murderer in part one.

[Chris Ryan]

Right.

[Bill Simmons]

And then part two is like, now Jason, he's come out of the water.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. That's like the misnomers you like put on Friday the 13th and you're like, wait a second. This is just like a middle age woman with a mask like this isn't.

[Bill Simmons]

She's the original Karen. A lot of people say she was. Yeah. Took a lot of stuff personally.

[Sierra]

There you go. Kids having sex, middle aged, crazy. Like the whole nine.

[Bill Simmons]

She's like, I don't want Jason Voorhees.

[Chris Ryan]

Mom was just telling on people.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Or you die. Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

People are taping her on cell phones.

[Craig Robeck]

Do you guys think the. The villain who can't die, the guy who can't die is the key to a good horror villain or a bug? Do you enjoy that he can't die.

[Chris Ryan]

Or do you wish it was the.

[Sierra]

Key then, now they've changed it.

[Bill Simmons]

It's the key to the sequels.

[Sierra]

Right.

[Craig Robeck]

But do you like that as a character quality, that Michael Myers can't die?

[Sierra]

It was important then because the whole movie was oriented around him. Now with the movies, it's normally supernatural stuff. And that can be different every time. What you orient the movie around now are the people that are fighting the ghosts. And so every single time, you can know that they're not. They're essentially Avengers. You can know that they're not going to die and put different crazy. But at that point, it wasn't really about that. It was about the guy that wouldn't die. And so you needed him.

[Chris Ryan]

You know what's an interesting example right now is Black Phone, where in the first Black Phone, the Ethan Hawke character is essentially like a Michael or a Freddy Outcast guy who's preying on children.

[Sierra]

The grabber.

[Chris Ryan]

And then in the second one, the grabber becomes supernatural. Like he's existing in people's dreams. He's haunting them.

[Craig Robeck]

Cause it's the Superman complaint, right? It's like, how interesting is this if he has. No, he can't die.

[Sierra]

But honestly, this is what I was saying earlier, this is why they did the sister thing. Because with Freddie, you start learning new stuff about Freddie every. Okay, Freddie's mom is a nun. All right? Then Freddie's mom is. Freddie is the bastard son of 10,000 maniacs. And so it's all. They deepened the lore, and they have to keep doing that to give you explanations to why this thing won't go away. There's nothing you really can do is just kill it for a little while, and then it's coming back.

[Bill Simmons]

Well, let's start with the real explanation. The ending of Halloween one left the door open for one of the most obvious sequel opportunities we've ever had.

[Sierra]

Right.

[Bill Simmons]

Right. This guy comes back, kills some people, falls off the balcony. Loomis goes. Lubinz looks out. He's not there anymore, and he's still out there. So when they. You know, I remember being a little kid, I didn't see Halloween in 78, but I saw the re release in, like, I don't know, 80, when they were setting up Halloween, too. And it was just like, all right, what's next? Let's run this back. And I do think they put very little time and thought, like Carpenter basically said, I was drunk when I came up with the sister thing.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

They're just writing a script or taking 10 days and banging. Oh, how about he's at a hospital? Oh, yeah, let's try that. And then all of a sudden, you have the whole script. I don't think this was being planned out like Pulp Fiction.

[Chris Ryan]

Sure. So, wait, what's the obvious sequel thing? It's just like he gets up and he's just still stalking around, but there's no sister problem.

[Bill Simmons]

I don't mind. The hospital thing, the unfinished business with Laurie.

[Sierra]

Yeah. Gotta get her.

[Bill Simmons]

But the thing is, they have all this, you know, sexual tension in Halloween one that they're pretty. Pretty clear about.

[Sierra]

So. Star wars thing going on.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah, yeah. And then in Halloween, too, it's like, yeah, it's his sister, and she's, like, dropping the knife phallically.

[Sierra]

So you think he cares about that?

[Bill Simmons]

I think maybe that's part of his thing.

[Sierra]

He likes it.

[Bill Simmons]

I think he likes it a little bit.

[Sierra]

Yeah, he's into it.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

It's kind of the same thing with Godfather 3.

[Bill Simmons]

But how would he even know he had a sister? Is the other thing he feels. Been locked up since he was 6.

[Chris Ryan]

We don't know how. Michael knows what he knows.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah, right, right, true.

[Chris Ryan]

So he apparently knows how to.

[Bill Simmons]

No Internet.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, but he's like a. With how to use syringes. Like, how did he learn that?

[Sierra]

In Michael's mind, is he the good guy? In Michael's mind, is there something rattling around in there where Michael thinks that he's got to kill all of these people? Because they're wrong. Is there a But what are they?

[Chris Ryan]

What did they do wrong?

[Sierra]

Who knows?

[Chris Ryan]

Locked him up.

[Sierra]

There's a different reality where Michael is like, they're these bad people and I gotta get them.

[Craig Robeck]

Isn't that always the case with these psychopaths?

[Chris Ryan]

That is not exactly the Rob Zombie take on the character, but it is closer to that. Like, Michael is incredibly traumatized, leading him to becoming this. A little.

[Bill Simmons]

I don't acknowledge the zombie movies.

[Chris Ryan]

Just saying it's out there.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah, I don't.

[Chris Ryan]

I don't turn a blind eye to art. Sorry.

[Sierra]

Thank you very much. It happened.

[Bill Simmons]

$2.5 million budget made 25 million Roger Ebert two stars Raj.

[Sierra]

Raj.

[Bill Simmons]

It's a little sad to witness a fall from greatness. And that's what we get in Halloween 2.

[Craig Robeck]

How many stars would you guys give it?

[Bill Simmons]

I think it's a two and a half.

[Sierra]

I mean, in eight, in 88, we.

[Craig Robeck]

Give Roger so much shit. How many you give it stars? How many stars would you give it?

[Bill Simmons]

Craig, I don't like your attitude.

[Chris Ryan]

If I was Roger Ebert's age and I give. I gotta grind out Halloween 2 and then see three more movies like this is exactly what I would give it. He'd be like, this is not as.

[Sierra]

Good as Halloween, if no nostalgia. You're right. But I gotta think about how I first saw it. I was terrified.

[Bill Simmons]

So he said, technically, a sequel doesn't attempt to do justice to the original, tries to outdo the other violent Halloween ripoffs of the last several years.

[Chris Ryan]

That's true.

[Bill Simmons]

And he said, it depends, of course, on our old friend the idiot plot, which requires that everyone in the movie behave at all times like an idiot. That's necessary because if anyone used common sense, the problem would be solved and the movie would be over. Raj. Raj did not like horror movies, though he didn't like anything without story.

[Chris Ryan]

Right?

[Sierra]

Well, because the horror movie is essentially an amusement park where you're paying your money. Especially horror movies like this. Now, I think horror movies have learned, and they try to get a little bit more sophisticated, but you're paying money for the thrills. That's what it is. And the story just wraps around that. So for a guy that has to, like CR said, analyze the plot of the movie. It's not the point, Raj. The point is put two people in a hot tub, made a vanilla gumbo, and then, like, killed. That's the point. That's what we came for.

[Bill Simmons]

Turn the temperature up and take them out one at a time, including with the repeated Drowning.

[Chris Ryan]

The point is that this movie is not meant to be viewed at 7pm next to like a Merchant Ivory film. It's supposed to be viewed when you're like, we went out.

[Bill Simmons]

Six high school kids go see this. They smoke pot in somebody's day and night.

[Sierra]

Watch this.

[Chris Ryan]

Or now when you're like, I just knocked out Halloween 1. Look at that. Halloween 2 sitting right there on Peacock. Why don't we just like let it roll right into it?

[Bill Simmons]

My wife and I watch Halloween 2 Saturday night and just followed it up with Weapons. Oh, yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Interesting.

[Bill Simmons]

It was a horror night. It was great.

[Sierra]

Your thoughts on weapons?

[Bill Simmons]

It's fine. Okay. Yeah, it's fine.

[Chris Ryan]

Okay.

[Sierra]

You don't like that.

[Chris Ryan]

I didn't. I don't like his. I don't like his dismissal.

[Bill Simmons]

I thought it was like a deranged Stranger Things. I. I liked it. I liked watching. I would never want to watch it again.

[Chris Ryan]

Okay.

[Bill Simmons]

What were your thoughts?

[Sierra]

It's fine.

[Chris Ryan]

You didn't think it was a horror magnolia rather than a deranged Stranger Things?

[Bill Simmons]

I thought it was really interesting. I enjoyed watching it.

[Sierra]

I liked it. I like it. I liked weapons.

[Bill Simmons]

It's fine.

[Chris Ryan]

Okay. It's all good.

[Sierra]

I like the weapons. You.

[Bill Simmons]

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[Chris Ryan]

Jesus Christ.

[Bill Simmons]

It rarely works when you run the ending from the previous movie, but you give it slightly different. They gave it, like a remix. It's like a. It's like when they would remix 80.

[Chris Ryan]

Songs pitched up the soundtrack, the score, and the first 12 minutes of this movie. You're like, let's fucking go.

[Bill Simmons]

It really is. I have three different rewatchable scenes. But he goes down, he feels the blood. Then the neighbor comes out and we do the. Is this some kind of joke or something? I've been trick or treated. That's right. You don't know what death is. And then the music kicks in.

[Chris Ryan]

That's actually.

[Bill Simmons]

Loomis is cooking.

[Chris Ryan]

That is my.

[Sierra]

Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

Like, are we going for this moment? Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

It's so good. I mean, it's really one of the best starts, too, because the opening credits with the pumpkin is good, too. And then we go right into that. It's great. I like after the credits, the looking through Loomis's eyes when he's. When. Or looking through Myers eyes when you see Loomis from far away. And he sees. Sheriff's like, I shot him six times.

[Chris Ryan]

I shot him six times.

[Bill Simmons]

He's like, just like kind of lost his mind. They get in the car, and then Myers. We see him steal the kitchen knife. Great horror gimmick.

[Chris Ryan]

Yes.

[Bill Simmons]

One of my. This movie has a couple staples. Van. The. I opened the door thinking someone's in there, and the door's open behind the guy. And then the door closes. And now the horror movie guy is behind the door. That one. The. I'm making something. I put the knife here. I walk away, I come back, the knife's gone. Another staple.

[Chris Ryan]

It's also awesome that they're. The old couple are home watching Night of Living Dead.

[Sierra]

Yeah, right. Yeah, right. Shout out to George Romero. And then she's cutting. What? She's cutting a big hunk of meat.

[Chris Ryan]

It looked like liverwurst or something like that. Ham. I don't know.

[Sierra]

So she's actually a little late, but. Yeah, a little late. For that. Like, put it on a big Coke. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

So were we happier back then when it was like, who. We don't need to think about sleep cycles and whoop scores.

[Bill Simmons]

There was no apple.

[Chris Ryan]

Watch sandwich at midnight and watch Night of the Living Dead.

[Sierra]

But happier. She's. Yeah. They're watching a zombie movie, eating something.

[Bill Simmons]

Sounds great. Let's go back.

[Chris Ryan]

It's like fucking.

[Bill Simmons]

What did we do?

[Chris Ryan]

300% of your recommended daily amount of sodium.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

At midnight.

[Bill Simmons]

Well, that's why the guy was in a coma.

[Chris Ryan]

He's probably already dead.

[Sierra]

He was already. He had a heart attack. Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

She's making a mayo sandwich, trying to kill him. And then there's The Robert Kennedy Jr.

[Chris Ryan]

Watches you like.

[Bill Simmons]

God damn it.

[Sierra]

Jesus.

[Chris Ryan]

What's wrong with this country?

[Bill Simmons]

And then there's the cute neighbor next door, gets the phone call. Do you hear what happened? There's guy killed stuff that. It's weird. I've heard sirens. Yeah. He's still out there in the loose. And she's just fine for 20 seconds before she realizes the door's open. Who. Who's just hanging out at home with the door open at 11 at night?

[Chris Ryan]

But that's the whole point of Hatton, I guess I leave your door unlocked community.

[Sierra]

This is why 11 at night.

[Bill Simmons]

Like, at some point, shut the door.

[Sierra]

Well, this is why they were able to be taken. That's. I mean, there are a lot of other towns where there would have been. And I guess it kind of was at one point, like a lynch mob that would have formed.

[Chris Ryan]

It does.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

I see when he's, like. When Loomis is like. That's the tribe.

[Bill Simmons]

Well, Carpenter filmed this scene because he thought the movie didn't have enough kind of violence in it. Yeah. So they filmed him. Him. Myers, killing the cute neighbor. Just padding this. It's a stat pattern.

[Craig Robeck]

It is.

[Chris Ryan]

It's. It's like taking a rebound away from the big man.

[Sierra]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

He's.

[Sierra]

He's.

[Bill Simmons]

He's on a foul shot. Yeah. It's the Westbrook 2017 strategy. And that leads to.

[Chris Ryan]

Thought you were an ally, Bill.

[Sierra]

Shot for no reason. You back on the other side.

[Bill Simmons]

That was a terrible mvp.

[Sierra]

Talk about war like that, man.

[Bill Simmons]

My favorite scene, not only in this movie, but maybe it's in the running for a fav. Horror movie scenes ever. Loomis and the sheriff kill. Not Michael Myers. They just see this guy from far away. There's little kids everywhere.

[Chris Ryan]

Specifically, they don't kill him.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah, they kill him.

[Sierra]

You guys, that is the most hilarious Scene.

[Bill Simmons]

It's so good.

[Sierra]

That is the most hilarious scene. Burned, blown up, hit by car, Shot the whole thing, by the way, this is some random 17 year old kid. This is.

[Chris Ryan]

And there's other luckiest kid in the whole world.

[Bill Simmons]

There's other kids in front of him. Loomis is ready to just start firing shots.

[Sierra]

This is such a profound tragedy that the movie does not contend with at all.

[Chris Ryan]

This would have radicalized the community.

[Bill Simmons]

The entire community would have been ACAB.

[Chris Ryan]

Graffiti all over this town.

[Sierra]

That's a random kid that was incinerated, hit by a car, then shot by the police driving 70 miles per hour with no sirens. And then it's like. And later on they play it. It barely gives lip service. Hey, this is a kid. My friend had a mask on or whatever. I think it could be like nothing.

[Bill Simmons]

It just killed my friend who's in the hit and run accident.

[Sierra]

What the hell, bro.

[Bill Simmons]

There's so many questions like why, why, where was the cop coming from? Why was there a white van there just in the middle of the road?

[Chris Ryan]

It's the tv. It's the TV production, isn't it?

[Bill Simmons]

The sound hits perfectly and it puts this ball of fire in the air that I don't even know how much gas was in the, in the van.

[Chris Ryan]

And they just keep it moving.

[Bill Simmons]

And Loomis and Bracket is like, hey, somebody called. And they're like, yeah, you deal with this. And they just leave this burning kid.

[Sierra]

Right?

[Bill Simmons]

What was your take as you watch this?

[Craig Robeck]

It's the most grotesque way to die. They really put their whole effort into it. Like it's pretty. He gets hit by the car and like dragged 10ft into the other car.

[Chris Ryan]

Jackknifed into a van and incinerated.

[Sierra]

And then he set on fire. I ran it back like three times. Burns and by the way, just nothing for it.

[Chris Ryan]

And the sad part is, aside from the tragic death of this 17 year old child, is that's exactly the best way you could have tried to kill Michael Myers.

[Sierra]

Right?

[Bill Simmons]

Right.

[Chris Ryan]

Pin him against a van, incinerate him, shoot him. Like do all the stuff.

[Bill Simmons]

Nobody stays with the car. They just. I don't even know who is left behind.

[Craig Robeck]

He gets a phone call and they're like, Myers is at the hospital. They're like, let's go.

[Bill Simmons]

Also, why is this kid dressed like Michael Myers?

[Chris Ryan]

Well, in the first, he gets the mask from a gas station. So like the mask is just like out there, right? It's like a. It's for some reason a staple of the Haddonfield Halloween community.

[Bill Simmons]

Ironically, it turns out to be Ben Tramer. And in the first movie, Lori's slutty friend was like, who would you want to go to the dance with? She's like, I don't know. Ben Tramer asked me. He's like, ben Tramer? You like Ben Tramer? So the one kid Lori liked ends up getting gruesomely killed to death. Being mistaken by Michael Myers, the guy who's trying to kill her. Lori. Bad luck with men.

[Chris Ryan]

It's kind of funny how there's only like four families in Haddonfield.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Because like, the sheriff, his daughter. He finds his daughter, his body and stuff like that. Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

Oh, that's my. Our next rewatchable scene. Sheriff sees his dead daughter. The media has. Well, hold on. Just work with me. Dana Carvey's in this scene, but no speaking lines. But. So it's like, why is Dana Carvey here? There's all this media already in Haddonfield.

[Chris Ryan]

Yes.

[Bill Simmons]

Which.

[Chris Ryan]

That's from a different version of the movie.

[Bill Simmons]

Right.

[Chris Ryan]

There's a couple of scenes in the movie where you're like, oh, that could have been what they were kind of thinking for Season of the Witch where it's a little bit more like vignettei.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah. And then Sheriff Brackett, who does the thing, he sees it's his daughter's dead, and then he turns on Loomis.

[Sierra]

Turns on Loomis? Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

You did this.

[Bill Simmons]

You did this. He did this. I tried. I tried to. He got. He almost got him out.

[Sierra]

Loomis completely dismisses him.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Loomis basically is like. Like, Loomis is basically like, okay, get the fuck out of my face. He's still alive. Let's go. Loomis doesn't even acknowledge this man. This man just saw his daughter. It's a weirdly moving scene in the movie. He, like, closes her eyes or whatever.

[Bill Simmons]

I tried to tell people. I tried.

[Sierra]

And Loomis just basically, that's it. All right, bye. Get the hell out of here. Go home.

[Bill Simmons]

So my favorite thing about this movie. I was gonna do this later. I'll just do it now. Loomis is basically just doing bits from his stand up comedy show. That's not funny to everyone who will listen. Like, if he can get a cop trapped.

[Sierra]

And it'd be like.

[Bill Simmons]

It'd be like if Seinfeld. Yeah, if. If you're with Seinfeld and you were just hanging out with him and Seinfeld was. What's the deal with Peanuts? Loomis is just any opportunity to Go. I. I watched him for 15 years.

[Chris Ryan]

Human consciousness.

[Bill Simmons]

He's got five things he just wants to hit over and over again with any live body of inhuman that this.

[Chris Ryan]

Guy is now completely spun out. You know, like, over the course of the two films, it's been a day and a night. He's killed a guy who's now back to life.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

You know, like, there's the situation. He shot him six times, totally out of control. And he's just like, now I'm spinning out, and I'm just like.

[Sierra]

He keeps trying to, like, convince people he's not crazy.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Like, this thing is not human. I'm telling you guys. Even, like at the end of the movie where he shoots Michael Myers again, and people are getting close to Michael Myers and he is apoplectic. He's like, stay away from him. He's not dead. And he. Everyone he can make his sense to, he makes it.

[Bill Simmons]

I thought Sheriff Brackett made some good points. He did let him out.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, he was.

[Bill Simmons]

He was in charge of him.

[Chris Ryan]

Did he let him out?

[Bill Simmons]

Well, he could have stopped it. Could have told him. I don't know. Hot tub murders.

[Sierra]

Love it. Love it.

[Chris Ryan]

I have a ton to say about this. I don't know if you want to do it here.

[Bill Simmons]

So she shows up 15 minutes for.

[Chris Ryan]

Late for her shift because she's been.

[Bill Simmons]

At a Halloween party, gets chewed out by her boss.

[Sierra]

I love that scene.

[Bill Simmons]

As time changes, starts to shift, and then the creepy guy from the Accused, who turns out to be one of the rapists and the Accused, seven years later, that guy, Leo Rossi.

[Sierra]

That's my. That guy.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah, he's the clear. That guy, this movie. He's like, hey, let's go. Basically, let's hook up. We'll meet me down in the physical therapy room. She's like, I don't know. Fine, I'll go down. Next thing we know, she's just doing a full striptease in the thing and he's in the hot tub. And it's like, you guys are fucking work. What are you doing?

[Sierra]

They're on. My whole thing is I'm looking at it and I'm like, do she want to fuck or not?

[Chris Ryan]

Do you guys want to do this now? Should we just fully.

[Bill Simmons]

I want to break it down this.

[Sierra]

Right now because it's like, first of all, I'm looking at it in two different ways. Number one, to legitimately have sex in the physical therapy, a hot tub of your job, you would have to really, really want it. But she's really Hesitant. He.

[Bill Simmons]

It goes back like, what's the cleanup situation?

[Chris Ryan]

There is no cleanup situation. It's so unhygienic. Bodily fluids in a hot tub that other people are going to use for, like, repairing their ACL surgery.

[Sierra]

Yeah. Unbelievable. Like, they just got their. I'm like, I'm looking at. Did he clean it? People got in there that just got their shit unbandaged and all kinds of different stuff that's happening in there. But then they want to do it. But then they don't want to do it. She seems drawn to it.

[Chris Ryan]

She's not like, let's have a quickie against, like, this, like, bench over here. She's like, we're going to get fully nude at work after you've been smoking a roach in the break room for some reason. This is a massive hospital that only four people are working at because apparently Halloween night is like New Year's Eve in Haddonfield.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

And they get, like, this entire wing to themselves, which is basically the maternity ward.

[Sierra]

Right.

[Chris Ryan]

So they're nailing each other in a hot tub next to a bunch of newborn babies in a hot tub that apparently has a scalding temperature. Why? Why can you get up to scalding?

[Sierra]

What?

[Chris Ryan]

Therapeutics.

[Bill Simmons]

A great point.

[Sierra]

Is a good point.

[Bill Simmons]

Why would you go to 160 degrees for any reason?

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, like. Like, would you be like, oh, I just dipped it in for a second.

[Bill Simmons]

No, that. I'm going to make a turkey in there for 160 bowls of eggs.

[Sierra]

Then, like, this guy. If they would have cast that role differently and that was like a young Tom Cruise. This is no diss to Leo Rossi.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah, no, but he's, like, creepy. He's a scumbag.

[Chris Ryan]

He hits on, like, the other nurse while they're in the breakthrough.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah, he's like, a true scumbag. This nurse is like, this is my guy.

[Sierra]

This is my dude. And she can't stop it. And then after they have their little tryst and the tris goes bad, when Michael Myers comes back around and he puts his hand on her, she thinks it's the other guy's hand. She starts nibbling and licking his hand.

[Bill Simmons]

So that's another nitpick. I feel like, you know, right away when the serial killer is covered in blood and probably hasn't showered in a long time, it's probably not the guy. Yeah, that would be my guess. I want to shout out my wife, who, as the girl's face, was repeatedly getting dunked in the scalding water and she started losing stuff. My wife said, in all seriousness, this is like the peel. My friend just had a facial peel. I won't say who the friend was.

[Chris Ryan]

Is it your witchy friend Craig?

[Bill Simmons]

You love nothing more than an 80s movie when there's just gratuitous nudity for no reason.

[Craig Robeck]

Yeah, this was gratuitous. They did it. I wasn't upset by it, but. Yeah, this checked all the 80s boxes.

[Sierra]

This scene.

[Bill Simmons]

Well, it even checked in the research boxes. The nurse was. The lady who played the nurse was upset. She had to have a nude scene and it turned into a whole thing on set. And you could feel her discomfort in the thing, which is. I wish I hadn't read the research.

[Craig Robeck]

What's the character's name? The guy.

[Chris Ryan]

The creepy guy? Bud.

[Craig Robeck]

My counter to your entire point, if the plan is to have a romantic night and you can't leave the hospital.

[Chris Ryan]

That's not the plan. They're at work.

[Craig Robeck]

Well, look, if that's what you want. And there's a hot tub in a room.

[Sierra]

But my thing is. You trying to hit real quick, right? You trying to. You at work?

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah. Just go into a room.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

You don't need to do the fucking hot tubs everywhere.

[Sierra]

Just like. Just go that. They made a whole night of it.

[Craig Robeck]

I respect the ingenuity, you know?

[Sierra]

You know, wait, by the way, every time I see an article about the male loneliness epidemic, I think about the fact that Craig doesn't like to see titties in 1980.

[Chris Ryan]

No, you know what? No, no, no, no. He does. But here's the thing that they do to you.

[Bill Simmons]

To be fair, he does.

[Chris Ryan]

Here's the problem.

[Craig Robeck]

I obviously don't dislike it. I'm just saying it is extremely 80s and I can recognize how unnecessary it is for the movie.

[Chris Ryan]

I don't hate seeing it in the movies. What they do is they make you incredibly horny. Right before they disgust you.

[Sierra]

They incite you.

[Chris Ryan]

So they'll be like, oh, my God, they're going to do it. We're going to get it. And then it's like, oh, this person just got impaled. Or this person just got dunked in a vat of frying scalding water.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

Meyer is always. He always shoots his wad and commits the murder before he gets to watch. Like it's. Maybe it's too early. Like he should turn on the hot tub.

[Chris Ryan]

Maybe he's like Craig and it disgusts him.

[Bill Simmons]

You know, Maybe that's what it is.

[Sierra]

He's making a judgment about this.

[Bill Simmons]

Maybe he's like, Tipper Gore.

[Craig Robeck]

Now, I'm at the point where when I watch Clean Up America now when I watch 90s movies, I'm almost disappointed that there's not nudity because I've seen so many. Like, when we watch Sneakers, that scene with the mistress, I'm like, what are we doing here?

[Bill Simmons]

Could have seen that.

[Craig Robeck]

Yeah, you're gonna do it. Do it. You know what I mean?

[Chris Ryan]

Getting in a physical therapy hot tub.

[Bill Simmons]

I do think this is one of the better horror movie murders of the 80s. The repeated. The fit when they. The face comes up and there's less skin. I just thought it was. It was probably the best murder of this whole thing. It was the iconic murder of this movie. But we also had a hypodermic needle double murder.

[Chris Ryan]

Yep.

[Bill Simmons]

With the. Into the side. That was good.

[Chris Ryan]

With the alcoholic doctor. Who is the only doctor.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah. What's up with that guy?

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

Meyer stabbing Laurie. But it's a bunch of pillows, and Laurie's on the loose. We get a scalpel murder where he lifts that one cute blonde nurse up from the back with the scalpel, but gets her up in the air. I'm gonna say, I don't know how he does that. I don't know if the scalpel's holding on.

[Sierra]

You think if the scalpel would have. You know the physics of it.

[Bill Simmons]

Can you lift somebody up 18ft with a scalpel that's like, I don't know, this long? Yeah, I didn't get that either. I'm gonna say, like, something weird happens. Lori Chase. I like when Laurie hides in the car, and then Loomis in the hospital when he brings everybody in there, and he says to the one lady, like.

[Chris Ryan]

You stay with me and shut up.

[Bill Simmons]

He's like. He's like, it's Loomis time. He shoots Myers five more times. So Myers now has 11 bullets. And the guy goes over to make sure he's dead.

[Chris Ryan]

He's like, no, get away.

[Sierra]

Get away.

[Bill Simmons]

Get away from us.

[Sierra]

No, Loomis. You guys, Loomis's descent into madness is so awesome.

[Chris Ryan]

I mean, it hits its peak when they're in the cop car and it's Marion and Loomis and the Marshall.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

And Loomis is like, I'm taking you hostage, Marshall. And he's like, yeah, you can't do that. He shoots a gun off by his head. He's like.

[Bill Simmons]

And threw out the window.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, it's just like this guy has completely left.

[Bill Simmons]

Well, we keep going. In that scene, Myers gets the two shots in the eyes Perfect shooting from Laurie.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

I really enjoy blind Myers trying to just. Yeah. And then Loomis is like, how many patients in this hospital? Like 12.

[Chris Ryan]

How many babies? Maternity ward.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah. How many babies? Six. I'm gonna blow up the hospital anyway. Myers has to go.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

I'll take out these other 25 people. I just gotta. This just has to happen. No. No thought whatsoever. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, the ending. Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

What do you have for most watchable cr. I. For me, it's Ben Tramer.

[Chris Ryan]

Ben. It's just that whole thing.

[Bill Simmons]

It's the funniest kills.

[Sierra]

It's got to be Ben, man. It's so absurd.

[Bill Simmons]

What about telling his parents, hey, bad news. Your son's dead.

[Chris Ryan]

Also, every.

[Bill Simmons]

What happened? Well, these guys hit him and then they left. But they were cops.

[Chris Ryan]

It's every five years I forget that scene. And so I'll watch it and I'll be like, wait. What?

[Sierra]

I was waiting. I was. I didn't know if Craig had seen it or not.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

I was waiting for the text into the group chat from Craig being like, holy shit.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Do you think when they were editing.

[Bill Simmons]

The movie at any point, the director and the editor were like, yeah. Was this weird that this kid just dies out of nowhere?

[Sierra]

They went, this is badass. You could tell how much they admired the scene when they made it. It.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

They were high fi on the set. They were like, we got him.

[Craig Robeck]

It's a real set piece. Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

What's the most 1981 thing about this movie other than a kid walking downtown with a boombox at 11 o' clock.

[Sierra]

At night past a Datsun truck?

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah. When did. That's got to be the winner.

[Chris Ryan]

When did nurses start stop dressing like that?

[Sierra]

Ah, I have it. The little hats that nurses wear.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah, the hats should come back.

[Chris Ryan]

Well, I just am curious when it stopped.

[Bill Simmons]

Probably late 90s. I don't know. Somewhere in there.

[Chris Ryan]

You think in like 96 they're still.

[Bill Simmons]

Walking around to have nice things? We used to have flight attendants that dress like that. We said nurses.

[Sierra]

Why did you. You don't know when they stopped wearing that?

[Bill Simmons]

He wanted an answer. I just felt like he needed an answer. I don't know the answers.

[Chris Ryan]

You said it so authoritatively though.

[Bill Simmons]

It's like late 90s.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. It's a Clinton thing.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

These ladies, they work hard in 1997 and they stop wearing the hats. The hats are gone.

[Bill Simmons]

A couple more. Turning on a transistor radio to get the news.

[Craig Robeck]

Oh, yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Walkie talkies.

[Bill Simmons]

Walkie talkies. And then the other one That I think is in the running here. A little kid getting hurt with the apple razor blade Halloween thing.

[Chris Ryan]

Yes.

[Bill Simmons]

Which is the all time urban legend. I don't know if it ever actually happened.

[Chris Ryan]

That was like supposed to be a Season of the witch thing.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah. The fear of that in the late 70s, early 80s was a real thing.

[Chris Ryan]

But that is actually like one of my favorite parts of this movie is the fact that intentionally or not, there will be moments where you're like, oh, is this newscaster, the blonde newscaster, or is this mom and kid? Are they going to be like major parts of the movie and then they just never come back?

[Sierra]

You know what I wonder? Because there was something that existed Halloween, which we haven't really talked about. At least a couple of pods I've done about these movies with you guys. Halloween has completely taken on like a new sort of. It's a very durable holiday because it's shifted its focus almost completely towards adults and, you know, dressing up like Velma with no underwear on and all of that stuff. It's like totally changed. Right. And one reason.

[Chris Ryan]

What?

[Sierra]

What, Y' all never seen the Velma with no underwear? Y' all got different algorithms. Y' all never see these sex. Y' all never see these sexy Velma videos. And the girl, oh, it's Halloween, she's Velma. And then all of a sudden she turns around and she starts dancing and you go, oh, this is a different type of advertisement. What's that link tree?

[Chris Ryan]

That hasn't gotten served to me.

[Sierra]

Okay, yeah, so.

[Bill Simmons]

I'm doing something wrong.

[Sierra]

But like, how, but, but part of the reason why Halloween became for adults was because it became unsafe. So many of these urban legends came out about the candy at Halloween, the razor blades, guys going out and trying to get kids and all of that. And I do really feel like this movie and Michael Myers going on a killing spree on Halloween, it was part of kind of. You could get fucked up a little bit.

[Bill Simmons]

Did you have in your neighborhood the alleged house where somebody got fucked with with Halloween killing?

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, there was like a. There was, I think that had like a Rottweiler. So there was like a lot of fear about the, like the dog. And then there were a couple of, like, that's old man Blank Blank's house. And he, you know, don't knock there. Not. I mean, I have no idea. It could have just been.

[Bill Simmons]

We had one when I was little in Brookline. The. The. The thing allegedly happened and I just assumed it happened, but now I wonder if it happened. What thing where we heard that a kid. I know a kid ate the razor blade. And it was this house, and this house did it. And now I have no idea if it actually happened.

[Sierra]

Oh, I thought it was something different. I thought maybe they. They accused that neighbor of giving candy to black kids. Is the whole neighborhood was like, oh, my God, dude, that guy's crazy. Don't go by his house.

[Bill Simmons]

I knew it was going to be a good one. Oh, man. What age the best. Do you like the dopey Halloween 2 electronic score? Not as much as the reimagining. Not as much. Not as good as the first one. But I admire the effort.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

And the story three is sick.

[Sierra]

The scoring three is good.

[Bill Simmons]

Rocky two. The beginning of Rocky two.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, we're talking way too much about Rocky.

[Bill Simmons]

Well, we just have to do it. What stage the best? Being in a creepy, small hospital at night after seeing this movie. I don't know if you guys have been in a hospital where you're like, oh, it's like fucking Halloween, too, in here. It just feels like there's not enough people in the hospital. And it's kind of shocking.

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, it's totally terrifying. It's a fantastic place to set a heart.

[Bill Simmons]

It's, quote, the most unrealistic thing about this movie. But it's also kind of realistic because I do think this happens, right?

[Sierra]

Yeah. Hospitals are creepy. And if you've been at one, if you've been visiting, and I hope everybody's family and friends are healthy and all of that, but if you've been visiting somebody and you're in a hospital at a certain time, they clear out. They clear out. There's nobody there. A lot of times, you know, they're letting you stay there because there's somebody that you love and you look and it's eerie. It's interesting.

[Bill Simmons]

Cobra got into this, too.

[Chris Ryan]

Cobra.

[Bill Simmons]

Cobra was sliced alone.

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

When he goes to, say, Brigitte Nielsen, there's a whole creepy hospital thing. What stage? The best. Well, what do you have? I have a couple.

[Chris Ryan]

The fact that this movie saves the setup for 30 minutes in. So, like, the setup is just Halloween one is keeps going. This then, like the traditional horror movie setup really doesn't start until the paramedics and the nurse are hanging out at the hospital. And it's real quiet in the sex scene and all that. So I love the way they flip that. I mentioned making someone incredibly horny before. You discuss them with something repulsively violent that age the best. And then a lot of the things that are like messy or wrong about this movie. Like the newscaster or the kid with the bloody lip. Kind of give it color and life a little bit to me. So that's.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

So Halloween itself, just like I said, it's like, more. It's past Thanksgiving. It's the second holiday of this season now. But also the variety of kills. The variety of kills.

[Chris Ryan]

Hammer, scalpel.

[Sierra]

Hammer, scalpel.

[Chris Ryan]

Scalding water.

[Bill Simmons]

All of this hypodermic needle. Yeah.

[Sierra]

This movie is part of the technology of. The guy can't just kill you with an axe every single time. Kill you with a knife every single time. He's got to. Do. We have to have different set pieces that are based around how the serial killer kills you to up the thrills. This movie, like, does that really well.

[Bill Simmons]

How do you feel about not seeing all the murders? Like, we don't get to see the black nurse get killed. We don't get to see drunk doctor get killed.

[Chris Ryan]

Black nurse. Like, that would have just been too torturous to watch because she's getting her blood drained from her body.

[Sierra]

I have thoughts about that. And we'll talk about that a little bit more later.

[Bill Simmons]

Okay. Can't wait. Pleasants hosted SNL on Halloween 1981, to promote Halloween 2.

[Chris Ryan]

No, he didn't.

[Bill Simmons]

During the first, like, breakout Eddie Murphy season. And it was the same episode that John Belushi insisted. They had this punk band called Fear on, and Fear had complete chaos. And it became this legendary SNL moment. And that was all because of Donald Pleasance, who in the oral history book, they're basically like, he was this drunk guy who couldn't remember his lines. That was the Donald Pleasant scouting report. So kudos to him. I like the. I'm telling you, this isn't a man. He just. That's like his. That's his west coast offense.

[Chris Ryan]

Yes.

[Bill Simmons]

Anytime he can shift it to trying to convince somebody. We're not talking about a human being here. Loomis will do that.

[Chris Ryan]

There's nothing behind those eyes.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah, I. Myers following the signs to Haddonfield Hospital is so fucking funny. When he's walks past the kid to the boombox, he hears the news report, and there's just this giant sign that says Haddonfield Hospital this way. And Myers is, like, doing the Myers walk. And then Myers cuts all the phone lines, kills the main lights, slashes every tire in the parking lot, kills the security guard, cuts fuel lines out there. Cuts fuel lines. The. Kills the ER doctor, four nurses in, like, 45 minutes. Just, like, really efficient. It decimates the medical industry there, like, just like. Just purposeful. Goes through, knows what to do.

[Sierra]

Takes out the communication, the transportation. Decapitates the intelligentsia of the hospital by taking out the doctor so they couldn't rally on the trail.

[Chris Ryan]

He's like the joker.

[Bill Simmons]

He's the original hacker.

[Sierra]

Right.

[Bill Simmons]

Any other wood? Sage the best.

[Sierra]

No, not for me.

[Chris Ryan]

I have Mike in the maternity ward. Is actually like one of the creepiest images.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

In the entire series.

[Bill Simmons]

Where were. I asked. My wife and I were talking about that. Where were the parents when these kids were just a search for them. Yeah, it was. It was just kind of the way it went.

[Sierra]

To use the hot tub.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Right. We're gonna get in right after you guys.

[Bill Simmons]

Big Kahuna burger or best use of food or drink. Probably the apple razor blade.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, I had the sandwich getting made, but yeah.

[Sierra]

Yeah, that's good.

[Bill Simmons]

Would you have for great shot Gordo.

[Chris Ryan]

Myers appearing behind nurse Jill when she finds Dr. Mixter with the needle in his eye.

[Bill Simmons]

Oh, yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

And like she's like, doctor, doctor. And then Myers is just the way that. Yeah, it's awesome.

[Bill Simmons]

Always works. Kid Cudi. Pursuit of happiness. Where best needle drop. Mr. Sandman, I think is the answer there. Best character name.

[Chris Ryan]

Bud Scarlatti.

[Sierra]

Bud Scarlatti.

[Bill Simmons]

Okay, Sierra, you got a flex category.

[Chris Ryan]

Got a couple things here I mentioned. Okay. Award for when the movie goes up a notch for you don't know what death is. It's really good. The Steven Seagal Hard to kill award. Did this movie need a bit better intimacy? Coordinator. It does sound like Pamela Shoup did not enjoy her experience.

[Bill Simmons]

She's not a big fan.

[Chris Ryan]

She was told that there were going to be a closed set and there was like 19 dudes standing around watching her. And at one point she was being encouraged to do full frontal and Debra Hill had to step in and be like, you do not have to do that.

[Bill Simmons]

Early 80s were rough, rough times.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

The Butch's girlfriend award for weak link of the film.

[Chris Ryan]

I got this. Can I do this real quick?

[Bill Simmons]

I think we're all gonna have one.

[Chris Ryan]

This is also my Luke Wilson.

[Bill Simmons]

Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

I just think Lori's a zero in this movie.

[Sierra]

It's clearly Lori.

[Chris Ryan]

And we talked about this a bit when we did four, but I just think it's. Not only is it the over mythologizing Michael and Laurie's relationship, which I don't like, but just incapacitating Jamie Lee Curtis for the entire movie and having her essentially in a fugue state.

[Bill Simmons]

It's a terrible, terrible choice.

[Chris Ryan]

It's kind of like user or don't have her user or have her taken to a different hospital.

[Bill Simmons]

Myers has more personality than Laurie in this movie.

[Sierra]

And he can't speak totally fridger in the entire movie. And then this is why Halloween 2, one town over was.

[Chris Ryan]

You're absolutely right about that.

[Sierra]

Because if you're not going to, like, give her anything to do, why have her in the movie as a living, breathing sort of.

[Bill Simmons]

The move is they should have killed her 40 minutes in.

[Chris Ryan]

Well, that would have been fucking insane.

[Bill Simmons]

And then he should have moved on and tried to get more people.

[Chris Ryan]

But it's like if they had, like, taken her, like, oh, we can't use Haddonfield Memorial. We need a better hospital. And they have to take her to, like, Joliet or where the fuck they take her, I have no idea. But if he's rampaging around Haddonfield looking for her, but she's not there, and then maybe at the end of the movie she comes back and does something.

[Bill Simmons]

I don't know.

[Chris Ryan]

But yeah, like, I just think she's.

[Bill Simmons]

In like, the last two scenes having.

[Chris Ryan]

A bad reaction to the parallel.

[Bill Simmons]

It would be like if you paid $60 million for A.J. brown and DeVonta Smith and then never threw the ball, you know, like, honestly.

[Sierra]

It would be like they're winning.

[Bill Simmons]

That is true. What do you have a weak link? Same one?

[Sierra]

Yeah, yeah, it's. It's clear.

[Bill Simmons]

I have a different weak link because I'm so used to how bad they use Laurie in this movie. Dick Warlock plays Myers in this movie, which I can't believe. That's a real. Too short. He's too shift, too stiff. He's too robotic. The mask doesn't really fit his head at some points, the mask just like they're using the mask from the first movie and he plays Myers like Myers has CTE from falling off the balcony. He's just kind of like, like, like he's like a zombie.

[Sierra]

He's been shot many times, shot many.

[Bill Simmons]

And maybe that was his thinking, but I just, I, I like the Myers in one is just so much more athletic.

[Chris Ryan]

Do you think Warlock was going up to Rosenthal and being like, I have a new take on this character.

[Bill Simmons]

I think he was. I really do. I think he's like, I think this guy. So I, I dove into the Halloween community and was reading. I had no idea there's a Halloween movies Reddit and people argue about the movies and stuff.

[Chris Ryan]

But did you get involved?

[Bill Simmons]

I didn't. I did think about it for a second. I Had some Halloween takes I wanted to get off.

[Chris Ryan]

Bill being Reddit power user, but only for Halloween movies.

[Bill Simmons]

That's it. Well, what was interesting, there's a whole Dick Warlock contingent. Oh, like they unlock Myers. Myers should have been more of a zombie. This is. He had been shot this time. His body was still in shock. Like people are really putting real thought into this.

[Sierra]

This Dick had a real.

[Bill Simmons]

He had an angle.

[Sierra]

Angle of looking at the.

[Chris Ryan]

For sure.

[Craig Robeck]

Have you ever considered Richard Warlock, Dick.

[Bill Simmons]

Warlock or Rich Warlock?

[Chris Ryan]

Warlock.

[Bill Simmons]

He was like, we don't have dicks anymore.

[Chris Ryan]

Early 80s.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah, early 80s. We still had. Dicks is an all time name. What's age the worst? Jamie Lee's wig is number one for me. So she had to film another movie and had shorter hair for it. I think it might have even been Trading Places and you could just see the wig. Especially now that the screens are nicer. What do you have, Sierra?

[Chris Ryan]

I think aside from all the stuff about the nurse and the paramedic having sex in the PT hot tub, the facial, the acting, the directing and the facial expression of the marshal when Marion Chambers shows up and Donald Pleasant, his character does not. Blumis does not recognize his assistant. He's like, oh, I didn't recognize you. It's like that was two days ago that you probably saw her.

[Bill Simmons]

It was the day before. But when she's been in a car for three hours.

[Chris Ryan]

Dr. Loomis, we've unsealed. The governor has unsealed a file. It turns out Laurie Strode is Michael Myers sister. And the cop driving the car is just like straight staring through the windshield, thinking about the Cubs.

[Bill Simmons]

Like he has not picked up a.

[Chris Ryan]

Single fucking piece of information. He's like, Ron say. You know, he's just like naming guys.

[Bill Simmons]

Oh my God, that's hilarious.

[Sierra]

Whenever I watch horror movies and this one has a lot of it, I'm always taken by the advances in fake blood that have happened over the course of the last 30 or 40 years.

[Bill Simmons]

You could see with Annie when they show Sheriff Brackett's daughter, like the slit throat just looks super fake.

[Sierra]

Super fake.

[Bill Simmons]

That's a good man.

[Sierra]

Do better.

[Bill Simmons]

I don't like Myers breaking into the school at all just to write Sam Hain and stick a knife through the daughter in the family painting. I don't know why. How he fit that into his busy agenda after being shot six times. Just had some questions. The Myers mask. So it's interesting. It is the same mask as the first movie, which I didn't realize. I always thought they lost the mask But I think they lost it after this movie. And it said the paint was faded because Deborah Hill kept the mask under her bed for two years and it collected dust and turned yellow because she was a heavy smoker.

[Chris Ryan]

I love this.

[Bill Simmons]

She sounded your kind of lady.

[Chris Ryan]

It's a nicotine stained Michael Myers mask. Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

And then because Warlock's Head was different. So the mass fit difference.

[Sierra]

How many Sigs do you have to.

[Bill Simmons]

Rip for a mask to actually change color?

[Chris Ryan]

I mean color. I mean people really were chain smoking back then.

[Bill Simmons]

Still.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

You have any what stage the worst, Craig. Hot tub facials.

[Craig Robeck]

Do you think she died by drowning or by burning? Or did he try to time it.

[Chris Ryan]

So it was burning?

[Sierra]

Question. I think it was the burns.

[Chris Ryan]

I think it was the burns.

[Bill Simmons]

Good question, Craig. I have a great one, but I think it's more of a nitpick, so I'm going to save it. The Ruffalo Hannah Rubik Partridge overacting word. The old ER doctor. Do you think he played the character intentionally that way? It's just like I'm supposed to be a drunk guy.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Why is he like, why was he getting drunk at his country club?

[Sierra]

But he.

[Chris Ryan]

Was he on shift?

[Bill Simmons]

It's inexplicable, right? Was it supposed to be funny? He's like, oh, that's Laura. It's like, what's going on? And why is this guy an ER doctor? He's like 60 years old.

[Chris Ryan]

I guess the idea is that the town only has one doctor, but like it's a pretty big hospital for one doctor.

[Bill Simmons]

Did you have a flex category?

[Sierra]

I do. Did this movie need a random sports scene?

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, Ed Norton.

[Sierra]

Yeah, Ed Norton. We desperately could have had a football scene here.

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, like homecoming.

[Bill Simmons]

Oh, like a Haddonfield High School football game.

[Sierra]

Homecoming. Football's happening earlier. Or at least it's Halloween night. It's the same thing. Maybe not a football game, but maybe the team's together. Yeah, maybe the team's together. It's Halloween night. We fucking gotta play. Chaneyville on. Fuck. We played them. We fucking killed him. Yeah. Then Michael just goes in and. And rips them to pieces. Like quarterback watching cheerleaders. He would have liked that offensive lineman try to step up. That's my quarterback. Get the out of here, bro.

[Craig Robeck]

Mike could have even suited up as tight end or something.

[Sierra]

Yeah, and got a couple passes.

[Bill Simmons]

That's. This is getting really exciting, guys.

[Craig Robeck]

He's Tyler Warren out there.

[Chris Ryan]

Basically he's doing it.

[Bill Simmons]

They guess he'd be terrible because he goes too slow. But I Mean, throw him a screen passing. But.

[Sierra]

But you could not bring him down.

[Chris Ryan]

No, that's true.

[Sierra]

He's. He's going to mummy his way all the way to this. So much stuff.

[Bill Simmons]

That's really good. CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. How to stake Awards. So you did yours, Laurie Strode.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

Did you have one?

[Sierra]

Yes. I believe that Michael Myers was radicalized by the O.J.

[Bill Simmons]

Trial. That hadn't happened yet.

[Sierra]

Hadn't happened yet. This is just overall not in this movie. So I looked this up as I saw this movie. I realized that in the movies that I've watched, Michael Myers didn't kill any black people. Like on screen. A black lady dies in this, but we see her after. Yeah, it's like Michael Myers, maybe he killed her, maybe he didn't. We don't even know.

[Chris Ryan]

Oh yeah, somebody else could have killed her.

[Sierra]

Michael Myers did not kill a black person on screen until 2002's Halloween. Was it Resurrection?

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, that's the one where it's set in the reality show.

[Sierra]

Right. I'm thinking to myself, so Michael Myers, this entire time, you could make an.

[Bill Simmons]

Argument that he's been an ally.

[Sierra]

Yeah, right. What would have happened in the 90s for Michael Myers to go, you know what? Nah, fuck that. I gotta get my revenge.

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, so you think the O.J.

[Bill Simmons]

Trial?

[Sierra]

Yeah, I think Michael Myers was in the. He's in the institution. They got core tv, it's playing nonstop.

[Chris Ryan]

He's watching Leno every night.

[Sierra]

He's watching Ito the dancing Ito's. It's all getting into Myers head. And Myers is seeing what he thinks is this crazy injustice. And he goes, I gotta get my get back. And then by the time 2000, that movie, he killed Tyra Banks in that movie.

[Chris Ryan]

Do you think that years later Mike gets re radicalized by seeing one battle after another and he's like, perfidia got a wrong deal in this movie.

[Sierra]

Exactly right. So I think he's really affected by what happens in pop culture. I think it really gets inside of his head. So when I'm watching this. Cause I did a whole breakdown. I don't know if you can see this, but Michael Myers then goes crazy with giving love killing to the community. He starts putting up numbers after this.

[Bill Simmons]

He's like, dinero.

[Sierra]

Yeah, be careful. That's one of our guys I know.

[Bill Simmons]

Give a lot of love to the community.

[Sierra]

He loves the community.

[Bill Simmons]

He loves the community.

[Sierra]

He loves.

[Chris Ryan]

He really does.

[Sierra]

The community. Robert De Niro is a lover of the community. But in the Rob Zombie Film. You got three. The Blumhouse Trip three. So all of this is coming. It doesn't really start until 2002. I was thinking to myself, it had to be the O.J. trial. Had to be.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah. Even the nurse in this movie, Nurse Elvis, we don't see it.

[Sierra]

That's what I'm saying. We don't see she's there, but we don't see it. That could have happened. The dude that we thought was Michael Myers that got incinerated, he could have killed her. We can't put that one on Mike. As my point.

[Bill Simmons]

My hottest take. I think the general consensus is the Home Alone Parents are the worst movie parents of all time. Right?

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

Just not only do they lose the kid once, they lose them again in Home Alone too. I actually think it's Laurie Strode's parents. Like, let's really think about this. Lori's babysitting. The parents are at some sort of Halloween party.

[Chris Ryan]

There's a tea party or something.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah, they're basically at. We've covered this in Halloween 1. They must have been at an Eyes Wide Shut party. But at some point, at some point, this becomes the story in Haddonfield. Right? I know we didn't have the Internet back then, but the serial murder, multiple people were killed, including the sheriff's daughter. And their daughter was stabbed, got away and is now at the hospital. This fucking girl's at the hospital all night. The parents are never there. Even in the morning at the end of the movie and the ambulance is taking her away. Still no parents.

[Chris Ryan]

Do you think?

[Bill Simmons]

Where were her fucking parents?

[Chris Ryan]

You can make the argument that that is. That is played plays into the idea that Michael's her, that it's not her, their biological daughter. And they're like, oh, see, like now, now she's a true Myers. She's not our daughter.

[Bill Simmons]

You think they, like, disowned her because Mike tried to kill her?

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

Well, where were they? At some point they have to come back.

[Chris Ryan]

They get loosely written out of this movie.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah, I think all the parenting in this movie is terrible. Van.

[Sierra]

I agree.

[Bill Simmons]

Sheriff Brackett. Halloween 1. Loomis is like, this guy's a fucking serial killer. We gotta get this guy. He's not human. And he's like, yeah, well, my daughter's doing some babysitting tonight. I'm not going to give her a heads up to get out of it. None of the parents care about the kids. But I think this was what the 70s were like.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sierra]

Taking advantage of the fact that the kids were kind of just letting kids.

[Bill Simmons]

Just kind of did their own thing. Parents were like.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

Parents were like, just don't get hit by a car. Was basically the attitude. But I don't know what happened to Lori's parents. We just never saw them. At no point did they go to the hospital and check out. Check her out.

[Chris Ryan]

I think it's actually introducing them. You either have to kill them, or they would be arguing the entire premise of the movie.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah. Or they were in some fucking kinky shit.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

Like, this is like an all night ice storm kind of Daddy pop ice storm in it.

[Sierra]

The key party.

[Bill Simmons]

I love that movie part.

[Sierra]

So they're like five quaaludes in.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sierra]

They just. They can't even.

[Bill Simmons]

They're lemonade. Plato's Retreat.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, it's like Leo and Wolf of Wall Street.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Yeah. They just all. Whatever. They don't even realize they have a daughter. Who's Lori, Who's.

[Bill Simmons]

I have a special category just for cr. Oh. The Edie Falco and Copland Award for the character that got three times hotter by smoking. Loomis's assistant, the rabbit and red nurse.

[Chris Ryan]

From Hollywood, Mary Chambers.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

She breaks out the cig, gets the thing from Loomis, and just starts smoking a dart. She looked pretty good.

[Sierra]

She did.

[Bill Simmons]

Little milfy.

[Sierra]

Yeah. What's her name?

[Chris Ryan]

Marian Chambers.

[Sierra]

Marian Chambers.

[Bill Simmons]

She's in the first one.

[Sierra]

I thought you said Marilyn Chambers.

[Chris Ryan]

No, I didn't.

[Sierra]

I was about to say. I would have recognized her.

[Bill Simmons]

She's in the first one. She's in the car driving to go to the sanitarium.

[Chris Ryan]

She sees, like. Yeah. He tries to.

[Bill Simmons]

He's like, don't you think you could refer to it as him? And he's like, if you say so. And they just have, like, the weirdest exchange.

[Craig Robeck]

Bill's really good at Loomis.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah, you're doing good.

[Sierra]

Like, Bill is. You're Loomis. It is funny.

[Chris Ryan]

She's like, why. Like, why did the governor unseal a file but, like, there's no cops on. Like, on the. On the streets.

[Bill Simmons]

You know why I'm good at Loomis? Because I've watched him for 48 years, staring at the screen, staring through the screen.

[Chris Ryan]

You look into Chris's eyes, there's nothing there.

[Craig Robeck]

I like when he goes, this is their wake.

[Chris Ryan]

One of their tribe has been taken.

[Sierra]

Craig.

[Bill Simmons]

I talked about my buddy from high school, Jeff Gallo. One of the first things we bonded over was how fucking funny Dr. Loomis was. Like, literally, I think it was the number one Thing we just couldn't get enough of the comedy of him. Speaking of comedy, the Van Lathan Award for. Did this movie need more black people? We rarely get to give this out. Now, the case. You could say yes because there's only one black character. You could say no because we are in Haddonfield and it seems like white people land. So what's the answer?

[Sierra]

So it's not. But I did. It's no. It doesn't need more black people. But I appreciated something about this movie. I wrote this down in this category. Movie's woke. It's a very woke movie.

[Bill Simmons]

Okay.

[Sierra]

There's a scene in this movie where a black nurse lectures a white woman. A white woman on the virtue of being on time.

[Bill Simmons]

And professionalism.

[Sierra]

And professionalism. I saw that. I was like, I see what y' all doing. Yeah. Black nurse, consummate professional. Whatever. She got killed. I don't think it was Michael Myers. I think it was somebody else.

[Chris Ryan]

What's up with this? Why don't you think it was Michael Myers?

[Sierra]

Because Michael is. He's too intentional. I just don't think it was Michael Myers.

[Bill Simmons]

He was framed.

[Sierra]

I think he was framed. I think he was framed. I think killing after the OJ Trial. But they did that on purpose to put a message in the movie. Look, we care about our jobs. Appreciate it.

[Bill Simmons]

Casting what ifs. Couldn't find any Best that Guy award. Leo Rossi.

[Chris Ryan]

I got a different one.

[Sierra]

Oh, okay.

[Chris Ryan]

Jeffrey Kramer, who's the mortician in this movie, is also Roy Scheider's deputy in Jaws.

[Bill Simmons]

In Jaws 2.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Great.

[Chris Ryan]

He's the deputy. Hendrix.

[Bill Simmons]

Another category we don't get to give out often. Best IMDb stat padding. Dana Carvey. Just getting to be in the credits. It just feels like a bigger movie.

[Chris Ryan]

Had you ever seen Nurse Karen played by Pamela Susan Shoop? She was on the Fall Guy. Mod Squad, BJ and the Bear. No, Simon and Simon.

[Bill Simmons]

Was there Charlie's Angels in there or.

[Chris Ryan]

No, no. Wonder Woman, The Incredible Hulking.

[Bill Simmons]

She definitely bounced around in those roles. There was a lot of. There were the handsome guys who might become evil that were always on Charlie's Angels or Love Boat.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

Then a lot of Pamela Shoopes just bouncing around those different TV shows.

[Sierra]

Was Dana Carvey in this enough to do what they started doing in the mid to late 90s? Was he good enough to do a VHS cover re editing?

[Bill Simmons]

Oh, so that they could put Dana Carvey, Tom Hanks.

[Sierra]

That time Dana Carvey blows up and then it's like Halloween 2 and they got the cast on there.

[Chris Ryan]

I think he said before on pods where he's like, I brought all my friends to the theater to see this.

[Bill Simmons]

He claimed lines. I don't know if I believe it. Dion. Waiter is a word, I think that has to go to Ben Tramer for one of the funniest 45 second kid of all legitimately a heat check recasting couch. Director City. Tom Hanks is Jimmy the. The.

[Chris Ryan]

The Lance guest part?

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah, the. Yeah, he had the hair, kind of looked like Tom Hanks.

[Sierra]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

Heather Thomas as. As the blonde nurse. Just get her in this. Love her. No, Katherine Bach as the Pamela Shoup character.

[Chris Ryan]

You're hitting up some names on that. Who's Heather Thomas?

[Bill Simmons]

Heather Thomas from the Fall Guy.

[Sierra]

Okay, you know her.

[Bill Simmons]

Come on.

[Chris Ryan]

Okay.

[Bill Simmons]

Van knows you know her.

[Chris Ryan]

Sorry.

[Sierra]

Well, there's a. Whatever. I'm not even gonna talk about.

[Bill Simmons]

Not big in Pennsylvania.

[Sierra]

Yeah. Yeah. You know, that's right.

[Chris Ryan]

It was big in Pennsylvania. We didn't get that there.

[Bill Simmons]

One more break and then Craig's got a flex. This episode is brought to you by State Farm. There's nothing better than having friends that support you and your passions. Or maybe even a wife. Like when I told my wife we have to go see the new Paul Thomas Anderson movie and we went to a 4:30 Monday screening and I was so passionate about it that I skipped Monday night Football and just watched it later on dvr. If you really love something, you need the support system around here. Like those friends. State Farm there to help you along the way. With so many coverage options, it's nice knowing you have support in finding what fits for you. Go [e-mail] or use the award winning app to get help from one of their local agents. Like a good neighbor. State Farm is there. All right, Craig, what's your flex?

[Craig Robeck]

We don't have an unintentional comedy category.

[Bill Simmons]

We kind of moved into what's age the best. But you can do it here.

[Craig Robeck]

Yeah, it's just one final unintentional comedy moment in this movie.

[Chris Ryan]

Like baby.

[Craig Robeck]

Basically the last scene. One kind of last lack of attention to detail. I just love when the paramedic is bringing Laurie out towards the ambulance and she's had an ankle injury the whole day. Yeah, she like, basically has a cam. Scatter. Boo. She can't walk.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah. And it's.

[Craig Robeck]

He just gets her out of her wheelchair and has to put her into the back of the ambulance. And there's no, like stretcher up. And he just goes Big step.

[Chris Ryan]

And she's gotta like, take a chance. Doesn't she also say, I want to ride up front? And he's like, nah, I can't take it.

[Craig Robeck]

He makes her get him out of the wheelchair. He goes, big step now.

[Sierra]

Put all the weight on it.

[Chris Ryan]

It's so good.

[Bill Simmons]

There's apparently an alternate ending when she's in the ambulance with Jimmy that they cut.

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, okay.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah. You don't know if Jimmy died or not.

[Chris Ryan]

What was Jimmy's injury? Broken ribs, collapsed lung.

[Bill Simmons]

He fell in and he got.

[Sierra]

Fell back.

[Chris Ryan]

Concussion or something.

[Sierra]

Concussion, like fracture of the.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah, he had to go in the blue tank.

[Chris Ryan]

That's a low key Ruffalo Rubinek moment. Is his, like, I'm injured acting. It looks like he's dead.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

Half asseting research. They thought about originally setting the sequel a few years later and having Myers tracking Laurie to her new home in a high rise apartment building. And I gotta say, I'm all in. If she. It was 1981. La. Lori's didn't go to college.

[Chris Ryan]

It's Night Stalker.

[Bill Simmons]

She's like an assistant at like Paramount movie studio or something, living in a high rise, trying to think of.

[Sierra]

No, I'm definitely in on it. Didn't. Wasn't there a serial killer movie of some sort that did something like this a little bit later where he tracks her down or he tracks.

[Chris Ryan]

It's basically Maxine, isn't it? Yeah.

[Sierra]

Tracks her down where she's living. Yeah. But that works, though. Once again, it puts 10 to midnight.

[Bill Simmons]

Had a little of that. The Bronson one.

[Craig Robeck]

That's.

[Chris Ryan]

I. I think that's. That would have been really cool.

[Bill Simmons]

The plot twist of Laurie being Michael's sister. Carpenter said there wasn't much of a story left and we had to come up with something. Was basically his theory. The Morningside Hospital is where they filmed all the hospital stuff. It's on 8711 South Harvard. And it's been torn down and is now a senior living facility. So congratulations to all of them. Pamela Sh.

[Chris Ryan]

A bunch of old people sitting around a speaker listening to Rewatch.

[Sierra]

What?

[Bill Simmons]

This is amazing.

[Sierra]

Congratulations to all of them.

[Chris Ryan]

The sports guy.

[Bill Simmons]

Pamela, shoes out. It's called Harvard Yard Senior Apartments.

[Chris Ryan]

Okay.

[Sierra]

Okay.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah. Shout out to the staff.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

Pamela Shoop said your bloodstream drained the. Pamela Shoop said the hot tub scene gave her an ear infection. The water. The water was cold and dirty. They're playing it off like the water was boiling. Boiling. But it was absolutely freezing. Leo and I were so cold. Our Teeth were chattering.

[Craig Robeck]

Why couldn't they heat it up a little bit?

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah, it's very strange. Carpenter said he had no influence over the direction. Saw Cut. Said it was, quote, as scary as Quincy. We had to do some post production work and added a couple scenes to try to make it more horror movie.

[Chris Ryan]

I would not describe this movie as really scary. First, Halloween's really scary. This movie's more of like a comedy. Obviously it's a horror in retrospect, but it's a hang.

[Sierra]

Yeah, it was, it was. It scared me when I was a kid, but I watch it now and it's just. It's like just for fun.

[Bill Simmons]

It's just enjoyable.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

TV cut. The ending is Jimmy alive. He's got a bandage, head wound. He's in the ambulance with Laurie. They hold hands. Laurie says, we made it. I think that's on the 4K. And Carpenter, some of the scenes he reshot was the boombox boy because he thought the biggest flaw in the cut he saw was how would Myers know to go to the hospital?

[Sierra]

Right.

[Bill Simmons]

So he's like, if I put boombox boy in there, then Myers will know to go to the hospital. Dick Warlock, two roles in this. Not only does he play the shape, he plays the policeman who accidentally hits Ben Tramer with the patrol car and crashes it.

[Sierra]

Damn. Damn.

[Bill Simmons]

So he's really on fire. Drove the car himself.

[Chris Ryan]

Wow. It's like Gosling in Drive.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah. And then there's Pamela. Susan Shoup gave a long interview to Femme Fatale magazine in 2001 about all the nudity stuff with this and how Deborah Hill saved the day. So there you go. Apex Mound, Myers.

[Sierra]

No, no, not at all.

[Bill Simmons]

Jamie Lee?

[Sierra]

No.

[Bill Simmons]

Pleasants? No. Really? None. Nothing for anybody here, unless you want to say.

[Chris Ryan]

It would just be mistaken identity. Car accidents.

[Bill Simmons]

Is it slasher era?

[Sierra]

No, no, no, no. Is it the Apex Mountain of. No, because that would be Rocky II of sequels that take place directly after the original.

[Bill Simmons]

I think that's Rocky, too.

[Sierra]

That's Rocky, too, but they're.

[Bill Simmons]

How about slasher era, though? Cause Slasher is 79 to 83, basically. Is this the best movie from that era? Era?

[Chris Ryan]

You is. Is Friday 13th two in that era?

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

I think that's better than Halloween, too.

[Bill Simmons]

I think Silent Rage is the best one of this era.

[Sierra]

Okay.

[Bill Simmons]

Nobody will do that.

[Sierra]

I haven't seen enough.

[Chris Ryan]

I'll do it with you, but you just.

[Bill Simmons]

Nobody cares. How about hospital horror movies?

[Chris Ryan]

I. I watched. Never mind. Hospital horror movies? Yeah. Exorcist 3 is my favorite hospital horror.

[Bill Simmons]

Movie it is Exorcist 3. Another good one.

[Sierra]

Yeah. Terrifying Exorcist 3. Yes. Yeah it is to me. Top five top three most frightened I've ever been terrifying.

[Chris Ryan]

Greatest jump scare in movie history.

[Bill Simmons]

It's pretty slow on a rewatch and then it heats up when we get into the hospital. Cruise or Hanks.

[Chris Ryan]

You said Hanks for the paramedic, right?

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah. I was trying. I tried to test drive Cruz in my head for a second I think. I don't think see it Scorsese or Spielberg?

[Chris Ryan]

I don't really know because this is like Rosenthal doing Carpenter. So it's so weird to be like.

[Bill Simmons]

Which which of those two we almost like we can't count that one. Yeah. What role would Phil Philip Seymour Hoffman have played? How about the Leo Rossi part?

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah that would have been pretty horny.

[Bill Simmons]

Guy in the hot tub as Freddy. From talent to Mr. Ripley. Hey baby.

[Sierra]

What's the peaking the tom.

[Bill Simmons]

Picking nits. There's some time stuff with this. So when Halloween 1. What time is it when all the murders are going down?

[Chris Ryan]

It starts in school's still in.

[Bill Simmons]

They drive to the houses.

[Chris Ryan]

Wait, how. When does Halloween start Or when does.

[Bill Simmons]

House Halloween one when they drive to the houses. It's like seven o'.

[Craig Robeck]

Clock.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, right. Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

And then we also have the boyfriend comes over, they have sex. There's murders like that. It's probably like four hours. It feels like it's already like. Let me call it 1030, I think let's.

[Chris Ryan]

Let's call it like 7 to 10.

[Bill Simmons]

Okay, so let's say 10. Let's go generous say 10 murders happen. Police shows up now where it's 1030, probably 11 range. Why is downtown Haddonfield still so hopping?

[Sierra]

Well, it's Halloween night.

[Bill Simmons]

We're going 11 o'. Clock. We already established the Halloween one. Nobody's still awake when she's yelling and running around the street. Nobody.

[Sierra]

Kids are out there.

[Chris Ryan]

These are all young people. Those are not the people from the har. They're all going to house the living facility.

[Sierra]

It's the chick.

[Bill Simmons]

I'm saying downtown's pretty hopping at 11 o'. Clock.

[Chris Ryan]

Karen's shift I bet is midnight to eight.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

And Karen's like I'm going to be late for my shift.

[Bill Simmons]

So how long are we at the hospital? Basically all night.

[Sierra]

What are you talking about?

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, because in the Halloween too. Dawn when they leave the hospital.

[Bill Simmons]

Dawn when they leave the hospital. So that's over the course of six hours.

[Craig Robeck]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

And she actually does say Karen's like it takes me five minutes to drive you home. Five minutes to drive back to the hospital. So everything in Haddonfield's five minutes away.

[Sierra]

Right. And once again, when you. The people you see out there are still the whippersnappers out there who, if you've been around Halloween, they're gonna be out all night.

[Bill Simmons]

Does Myers have to eat or go to the bathroom at any point during this stretch? Does Myers go to the bathroom?

[Sierra]

Obsession is his food. He pisses out fear.

[Bill Simmons]

Did you just go to the bathroom in his. In his gas station outfit or does he go to bathroom like an animal?

[Chris Ryan]

You think he's just constantly shooting and pissing himself?

[Sierra]

I think he's. He's probably pissing.

[Chris Ryan]

Does he eat any food? He's the sheep.

[Sierra]

Yeah, he's like a. Not a human thing. He's not human.

[Bill Simmons]

In Halloween one, he eats that. They find the dead dog and he's like, man wouldn't do that. And he's like. He got hungry.

[Sierra]

Me.

[Bill Simmons]

Loomis says that it's like insinuating he ate the dog.

[Chris Ryan]

He was hungry to kill.

[Sierra]

Oh, so then. Wait a minute. So then if he ate the dog, then at some point he'd have to take a crap.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, but it's.

[Bill Simmons]

Maybe he doesn't eat.

[Sierra]

Yeah, still saying that. Maybe he doesn't.

[Bill Simmons]

No cops at the hospital guarding Lori. Do you think it would have been.

[Chris Ryan]

Funny if Michael had been like, I'm taking the butcher knife and then I'm taking the sandwich.

[Sierra]

I need some, some energy.

[Bill Simmons]

I'm hungry. Lifts the mask up. No cops at the hospital guarding Lori. Not anybody. She's gonna drop her off.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, they're all out on the floor, Michael.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah, okay, here's a good nitpick. They're checking out the burned body. This is probably within an hour of the accident. There's not still smoke coming off that body. And doesn't the body stink? It's like a burning corpse we see in normal movies. They put like the thing underneath the noses, right? They put the, like the smell so bad thing.

[Chris Ryan]

The Silence of the Lambs.

[Bill Simmons]

They do that. They're just hanging out with dead burned body.

[Sierra]

Checking his teeth. You're not.

[Bill Simmons]

You guys aren't with me on this.

[Chris Ryan]

Michael is 21.

[Sierra]

They're talking about the ages there.

[Bill Simmons]

No fillings. It's like this thing. He'd be like, h. Jesus. The hot nurse in a million years.

[Sierra]

It's a 17 year old kid. I'm sorry, I apologize.

[Bill Simmons]

The hot nurse in a million years is not with that guy.

[Chris Ryan]

No, no, she's with a guy who, like, who do you think she's with in that 10 town?

[Bill Simmons]

Nurse Karen probably the drunk doctor. Probably took a.

[Sierra]

What about the good looking cop guy? Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

Strong JW guy maybe.

[Chris Ryan]

There's a guy who works at like a used bookstore and she's just like, I really like him, but he needs to put his career together, you know?

[Sierra]

One thing I will say about these, it's like Noah Bomback sales. It was a slow burn, but that was good. One thing I will say about these slasher movies is the assholes get late.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

In all of these slasher movies, it's.

[Bill Simmons]

Like, shut up, Rick.

[Sierra]

And then two scenes later, you fucking Rick.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, like Kevin Bacon and Friday the 13th. Yeah, yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

That guy, the sleazy guy. He had a. He basically said to Lance guest character Jimmy, Me, like, don't get involved with Laura.

[Sierra]

You.

[Bill Simmons]

There's one rule. You can't get involved with the patients.

[Chris Ryan]

Yes.

[Bill Simmons]

And then proceeds to go down to the hot tub room and have a nurse. Fine. That guy's an idiot.

[Chris Ryan]

He says nurses, that's one thing.

[Bill Simmons]

And then the hospital is obviously too dead for the night shift. But Rosenthal said he based it on an experience that he had with his wife when the hospital they were at was so deserted at night they thought it was creepy and he just kind of filed that off way.

[Sierra]

That's not what they did.

[Bill Simmons]

The other murder nitpick I had, other than lifting somebody in the back with a scalpel up in the air, which I'm still not buying, wouldn't Myers have burned his hands in the scalding hot hot tub?

[Sierra]

What's going on here?

[Bill Simmons]

It's ripping her face off. But you're, you're, you're, Can Myers not get burned?

[Sierra]

You can.

[Bill Simmons]

Shot in the head, you continue to skin can. But it, his hands are going to be fine after that.

[Chris Ryan]

But you're really focused on like what smell like, can feel like. And it's like we're talking about Michael Myers.

[Sierra]

He was shot how many times? He was shot over the.

[Chris Ryan]

He was shot like 15 times, 20 times.

[Sierra]

And then he was shot in the head. He's a human in the head. Close range.

[Bill Simmons]

Okay, fine.

[Craig Robeck]

He can bleed, though.

[Sierra]

He can bleed.

[Craig Robeck]

So he can't get burned, but he can bleed.

[Sierra]

I don't think that. My question is, I don't think that the burning, that the burning is going to affect him. I don't think Michael Myers is going to go, ooh, like, ow.

[Chris Ryan]

Why did my cover so high?

[Sierra]

Yeah, like Ew.

[Bill Simmons]

Like, you know, she shoots Loomis, gives Laurie a Colt Trooper MK3, and Lori shoots Michael twice in the eyes from close range with it. And apparently in reality, if you shot somebody from that close with that gun, their head would just blow out from the back. Yeah, this was like a BB gun.

[Sierra]

Fucking done.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah, it's over. Any other nitpicks?

[Chris Ryan]

Nothing that we haven't talked about already.

[Bill Simmons]

Sequel Prequel, Prestige tv All black cast or untouchable Sequel? I mean. Yeah, they've literally done everything. What's the all black cast version of Halloween Resurrection?

[Chris Ryan]

It's not all black, is it?

[Bill Simmons]

Well, mostly black.

[Sierra]

They have. Yeah, I guess. Well, they haven't done them all.

[Bill Simmons]

That movie has been all black.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

Is this movie better than Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trejo, Mad Dog Russo, Doris Burke, Buffalo Bill, Sam Jackson, Nell, Byron Mayo, Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Plainview, Long Legs, or Wilford Brimley in the First Firm. This movie could use Sam. Honestly, Sam as either the guy driving the car when Loomis is like, we have to turn around. He would have been good. Sam, why are you smiling at me?

[Sierra]

I'm waiting to hear it. Let's hear it.

[Bill Simmons]

Who was the guy who checked out the fats sheriff? Guy who checks out the basement security guard, Mr. Garrett. No, I was thinking Collinsworth for this though.

[Chris Ryan]

Okay.

[Bill Simmons]

Okay. Oh, my. I'm so excited. Lori and Michael are reunited. This is just like.

[Chris Ryan]

Could have seen it coming.

[Bill Simmons]

Baby siblings knew they would get back together tonight. Mike, it's just so great. They have such a great thing.

[Chris Ryan]

I had. I'm surprised you left this on the table. I had Byron Mayo. Oh, let's hear Byron Mayo is bud. It's like, Karen, come on in. The water's warm. Don't worry, it doesn't get scalding in this physical therapy.

[Bill Simmons]

Burn off fluids that come out of us.

[Sierra]

You don't think Sam kind of works as Loomis too?

[Bill Simmons]

Sam would have been an amazing Loomis.

[Sierra]

Yeah. That ain't human.

[Chris Ryan]

His eyes.

[Bill Simmons]

There's nothing.

[Sierra]

Damn.

[Bill Simmons]

I watched it for 15 years. Just want to ask her who gets it. The score. I don't know who I have score.

[Sierra]

Question mark. But like what?

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah, tough fun. All right. Probably unanswerable questions. Did Sheriff Bracket get divorced? I'll start there. The wife's blaming him immediately.

[Sierra]

Yeah, yeah. Cuz he has. He has.

[Bill Simmons]

You knew you were with this guy all day. Didn't you know there was serial killer? He let our daughter babysit set you.

[Sierra]

You're worthless piece of. You protect Everybody in this town. You can't protect your own family. Get out of here.

[Bill Simmons]

Did you have one?

[Chris Ryan]

The cop who kills the kid?

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Suspension without pay. Are they like, we're kind of shorthanded. We're going to need you to just come back to work tomorrow.

[Bill Simmons]

We're going to kind of pretend that didn't happen. I had. Did Ben Tramer's parents sue the city of Haddonfield?

[Sierra]

Is there a march in Haddonfield?

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

The other thing is, like, for a second, if you're that cop. First of all, I didn't know if. Did the cop didn't die in that. That in the crash?

[Bill Simmons]

No, he got. Got out.

[Chris Ryan]

So do you think for one second he's like, I did it. I killed my. They're gonna name a. A holiday after me here.

[Bill Simmons]

Took out the starting pitcher on the Hatfield baseball team. When Lori's parents finally did get a hold of her. How do you think that combo went?

[Sierra]

Like, you never told me that Michael Myers was my brother.

[Bill Simmons]

Ti.

[Chris Ryan]

That you're my adopted parents.

[Bill Simmons]

And where have you guys been? Yeah, right. I've been transferred to a second hospital. I've been stabbed. I just watched nine people. All my friends are dead.

[Sierra]

The fuck? And by the way, just to let you know, all of this just happened. And then when I was getting into the ambulance, the guy fucking made me take a step up when my shit is falling. I re.

[Bill Simmons]

Broke my ankle.

[Chris Ryan]

I re.

[Sierra]

Broke my ankle.

[Chris Ryan]

I'm gonna be like Jason Tatum when he tries to come back at Christmas. He looked me off.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah, I didn't like that. Celts are gonna be 07 on Saturday night. Nate, what would have been the funniest Dana Carvey use? Like, could Dana Carvey have added some comedy?

[Chris Ryan]

And. Well, we could have had church lady doing, like, public access TV and being like, this is like Michael Myers has come because of Satan, you know?

[Bill Simmons]

Or he just starts doing a couple imitations.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

Like he. Because he did a great Johnny Carson. I just feel like they had Dana Carvey right there. They should have. He's at SNL five years later.

[Sierra]

Yeah, man.

[Bill Simmons]

Could have had him. Got some common.

[Sierra]

What?

[Bill Simmons]

Piece of memorability.

[Craig Robeck]

Can I ask an unanswerable question?

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah.

[Craig Robeck]

Since when do all the hot teens work at a hospital?

[Chris Ryan]

They're not teens. They're like, in their late 20s, right?

[Bill Simmons]

Early 20s.

[Craig Robeck]

None of those were high schoolers.

[Sierra]

I don't think so.

[Craig Robeck]

Oh, they were all older.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah. Yeah. They're like young adults.

[Craig Robeck]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

They were hanging out, you know. What just happened to you? What happened to you is the thing that happens looking back at these movies now where you can't really fucking tell how old somebody is.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. Because everybody back then just seemed.

[Bill Simmons]

Everybody back then looks 27. Yeah.

[Sierra]

Because the T. There's not much. Much space between.

[Craig Robeck]

Regardless though, it just seemed like it was like a lot of like cool, young, hip, hot people working at a hospital.

[Chris Ryan]

Sure.

[Craig Robeck]

In this little town. Like that was the cool job to have. It was like spooky Breakfast Club up in that.

[Chris Ryan]

All of my unanswerable questions are Bill Simmons theory of how would Michael know how to drive? That's just like how would he know what Sam Hane is? How would he know how needles work? How would he know it's the evil.

[Bill Simmons]

Thing in his brain that just. He hears voices that got guide him. Piece of memorability. Would you want or not want from this movie? It's the mask would clearly be number one. I think that's like. I don't know how much the mass from these first two movies would actually be worth if they had it, but I think it's like probably like five or six million dollars. When you see like the Hollywood props.

[Chris Ryan]

Like this nicotine stained mask.

[Bill Simmons]

The original mask from the first two movies. Yeah. I think it would be one of the biggest collectors.

[Chris Ryan]

Baptized in Deborah Hill's marble.

[Bill Simmons]

I think it'd be one of the biggest movie collector items you can. The volleyball from Castaway went for like $700,000.

[Chris Ryan]

If you had it, would you have it out for people to try on?

[Bill Simmons]

That's in a safe.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

You can't.

[Bill Simmons]

It's too expensive. It be. That's. It's one of the great things you could own. I think like, look at the. It's the mat. It's the mask.

[Sierra]

One of the great things.

[Bill Simmons]

Smoked all over the smack.

[Chris Ryan]

You could buy a Rothko, but you're like, nope.

[Sierra]

It's one of the great things I'm.

[Bill Simmons]

Saying from a movie.

[Chris Ryan]

I got you. Yeah. Yes.

[Bill Simmons]

You don't think it would be in a TI. Like a third round pick in a draft.

[Sierra]

$6 million is a little OD. I'm trying to look this up at. I don't know if it would be $6 million. $6 million. A lot of money. I mean. But you know that world better than I do.

[Bill Simmons]

I just. This whole Hollywood prop world exploded. Yeah. When the Shawshank Bible went for like $600,000, that made me think the mask is probably worth at least five times.

[Chris Ryan]

At least two mil. Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

This started. It's the mess that started 50 years of horror movies.

[Chris Ryan]

Basically, we should have.

[Sierra]

Yeah, I just, I, I, I get it. It's. I bet that we would look it up. Okay. It says right here, Michael Myers dot net. He has it on ebay. For sale with the asking price. This is from 2012. Of a cool $1,000,000.

[Bill Simmons]

Oh, the actual mask.

[Sierra]

I thought the actual mask is on Michael Dash Myers. So I don't know.

[Bill Simmons]

Don't get a virus.

[Sierra]

Yeah, I'm looking at it now, Coach.

[Bill Simmons]

Finstock award. Best life lesson. Just find your kids. When there's a homicidal maniac on the loose in your neighborhood, check in. If you're any kind of a parent, just find out where they are and go get them.

[Chris Ryan]

Have a phone chain.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah, yeah. Best double feature choice, Halloween one.

[Chris Ryan]

Mm.

[Bill Simmons]

Who won the movie?

[Sierra]

You gotta go with Big Mikey. Mikey Mike, right.

[Bill Simmons]

Big Myers.

[Chris Ryan]

It's crazy, but I like. It's pleasant for me. For as ridiculous as he is, he is like the kind of like the character who goes on an arc and, and is in the most scenes and is kind of dominating the movie.

[Bill Simmons]

So I love how committed he is to the bit.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

Could be like in that car ride. Assuming that they never turn around. They're just driving crazy.

[Chris Ryan]

That he made like five of these. Five of them coming back, has a stroke at the end, is back, blows up, comes back.

[Sierra]

He kind of plays Michael Myers.

[Bill Simmons]

Well, they say he survived the fire.

[Chris Ryan]

And a little bit of scar tissue.

[Bill Simmons]

We talked about that with Halloween 4. Tough to imagine anyone survived the fire. I like that Lori also knows what's going on when they're turning on the gas. She starts doing it too.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

I would have been like, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah, why are you doing the gas? Anyway, Craig, what do you got?

[Craig Robeck]

These are, these are definitely my types of horror films. I don't love really, really scary movies, but this is that perfect sweet spot. I like these because they just feel like the holidays. They feel like the fall. I think the town is, like, charming and warm. You just kind of want to be there.

[Chris Ryan]

It's great.

[Craig Robeck]

I just like the way it looks and feels. It's 90 minutes. The score is fantastic. The unintentional comedy. It's great. I was thinking, since the Halloween movies have been going on for so long, are there a lot of other horror films set around Halloween, or does this franchise kind of have Halloween?

[Bill Simmons]

Nobody's fucked with it.

[Chris Ryan]

I wish there were more movies.

[Bill Simmons]

Saturn Live. Nobody will do another nighttime sketch show on the weekend.

[Chris Ryan]

That's so weird.

[Craig Robeck]

How Many Christmas movies are there. Like, I wish there were set on Halloween.

[Sierra]

They do movies set around Halloween time, but not really like horror movies.

[Chris Ryan]

The VHS anthology that just came out. Because VHS is like a short films in one anthology every year. That just is a Halloween one. This year, year it's set on trucker on Halloween.

[Sierra]

I'm telling you, Halloween became different. It became like. It started to become like a fun holiday. They had to reclaim it because you got to sell that candy and make people feel safe about it. Now it's an adult thing and whatever. But the movies that they would make about Halloween would be like Disney Channel movies. Yeah, Spook Town or Halloween Town, whatever the fuck they got going.

[Bill Simmons]

Well, the difference with Halloween in LA versus other cities is it's way more celebrated out here by adults, like with the decoration of the houses. And I just don't. It was one of the things that struck me when I moved out here, like how much time and care and thought people put into celebrating Halloween with decorations.

[Sierra]

I want to ask you guys about that because being from the Bible Belt, there was a celebration. We celebrated Halloween. But you were never going to see. You can go to New Orleans maybe, but you were never gonna see the type of Halloween celebration in Baton Rouge that you would see here ever. It's just not gonna happen.

[Craig Robeck]

Was Halloween a big deal in college when you guys were in college?

[Chris Ryan]

No. See, it switched for me where, you know, when I was a little kid, everybody was just going as like Luke Skywalker or Batman or whatever. And then there was like a period of time basically like when I feel like haunted house experiences really started popping off again.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

And it would be like, oh, we can go to this thing. And it's like barely. Barely kind of overseen by the law. Like it might get kind of weird in there and stuff. And like that's kind of when I got keyed back into it was when. And you know they have out here the haunted hayride and stuff like.

[Sierra]

That is a good point.

[Chris Ryan]

Halloween horror nights.

[Bill Simmons]

It was a big thing in Massachusetts because of Salem.

[Chris Ryan]

Sure.

[Bill Simmons]

Salem was always like, you would take the ride out. It was super creepy there. The witches.

[Sierra]

That is actually true. In Baton Rouge, they did have like this just ridiculously scary, scary haunted house with. It's called like the 13th gate or something like that.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Scared the shit out of you. And then there was also a cornfield maze, like a legitimate cornfield maze. Days that was off there, I think off Nicholson somewhere. But there was like a terribly scary, like a haunted house, like the carnival 13th gate type of thing they did have that people will go to.

[Chris Ryan]

Did I ever tell you the best haunted house I ever went to was in, like, Hudson Valley, New York? And you're up there, it's night. You go through a regular haunted house, and you're kind of like, this is cool. Like, I had no idea this was coming. So you go through this haunted house, you're like, that's. That was pretty good. You know, we're out here in the country. This was pretty fun. You get to the end of the haunted house, and an attendant there is like, get on the bus. Get on the bus. And so you, like. Like, your whole crew that you've been with gets on, like, a school bus. And over the school bus radio, as this guy is driving you out into, like, cornfields, the radio is talking about how there's been a chemical leak and there's been a zombie outbreak. And he drives you out to, like, the far side of a cornfield, and you have to get through the cornfield while being chased by zombies.

[Sierra]

No. Away. Panic attack. Jesus. I'm gonna, like. I'm gonna. I'm gonna run for a little. I'm gonna run for a little bit, then I'm gonna sit down in the middle of the cornfield. I'm gonna be like, I'm out. Yeah, there's no more fun.

[Chris Ryan]

Safe word.

[Sierra]

Safe word Bothering me.

[Craig Robeck]

Could they have a bunch of actors playing the zombies chasing you?

[Sierra]

Wow.

[Bill Simmons]

Fans like pineapple.

[Sierra]

And that's what happens. You get to a point to where I would get so overwhelmed by fear, I'll be like, guys, stop.

[Chris Ryan]

It was really the surprise, though. It was like being put on the bucket.

[Sierra]

Because you did. Because that is awesome. Because you're on there and you're like, is this fucking happening going on?

[Craig Robeck]

Where are you guys at with escape rooms? If you ever done one? Do you like them? Do you enjoy it?

[Bill Simmons]

Ben Simmons has been to 30 of them.

[Chris Ryan]

Really?

[Bill Simmons]

It's a big LA thing. Yeah, his. Him and his friends go. I went to a lot when I.

[Craig Robeck]

First moved to LA, when I was in my, like, early mid-20s. We went to a lot of escape rooms.

[Bill Simmons]

A huge thing right now.

[Craig Robeck]

Okay.

[Sierra]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

That's it for Halloween, too. Will we ever do another Halloween? H2O.

[Chris Ryan]

Maybe I would do H2O. Yeah, you just swear you're just out on Season of the witch, so, yeah, H2O is probably likely.

[Sierra]

Yeah, H2O, that was the Halloween movie that I saw as, like, a teenager in the movie theaters with the pizza.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, man, that was when hard.

[Bill Simmons]

That was a high school. High school teen movie. All right, Craig Robeck. Thank you, G. Ronick. Thank you. We'll be back next week with rewatchables with a famous celebrity guest. Can't wait.

[Sierra]

Sam.