Episode Summary: "Heaven Can Wait" with Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

Hosted by Bill Simmons and featuring Chris Ryan and Van Lathan, this episode marks the finale of "Big 70s Month" on The Ringer's film podcast, The Rewatchables. The trio delves deep into the 1978 Warren Beatty classic "Heaven Can Wait," exploring its themes, performances, and enduring legacy.

1. Introduction to "Heaven Can Wait"

Bill Simmons opens the episode by expressing enthusiasm for discussing "Heaven Can Wait," describing it as a quintessential Warren Beatty film. As the final installment of Big 70s Month, the hosts set the stage for an in-depth exploration of this metaphysical screwball comedy.

2. Plot Overview and Initial Impressions

Chris Ryan shares his childhood fondness for the movie, noting, "It was on all the time when I was a kid...just like a delightful, whimsical, metaphysical heaven movie" (03:21). Both Chris and Van Lathan admit they initially underestimated the film's critical and commercial success, reflecting on how their youthful perception differed from its actual acclaim.

3. Warren Beatty's Multifaceted Performance

A significant portion of the discussion centers on Warren Beatty's portrayal of multiple characters—Joe Pendleton, Leo Farnsworth, and Tom Jarrett. Van Lathan praises Beatty's blend of star power and nuanced acting, likening his presence to icons like Frank Sinatra and Cary Grant:

"Warren Beatty is just like a movie star who knows exactly what he is. He's putting in all his cred and energy into making this light, sweet comedy." (03:58)

Chris highlights Beatty's ability to seamlessly transition between personas:

"He pulls off all the football stuff, but he’s legitimelly one of the hunkiest, dreamiest, best-looking guys ever... plays it so goofily and with so much heart." (06:16)

4. Influences and Stylistic Elements

Van Lathan draws parallels between "Heaven Can Wait" and classic 30s/40s screwball comedies like "The Philadelphia Story" and "His Girl Friday," emphasizing the film's homage to earlier comedic styles. The hosts appreciate how Beatty infuses these influences into a modern (for its time) narrative.

5. Themes: Soul, Identity, and Love

The conversation delves into the film's deeper themes, such as the essence of the soul versus the physical body, and the transformative power of love. Chris muses:

"This entire movie is happening because the backup quarterback has been promised the starting role, and he cannot get over that. He's willing to come back from the dead and finds love along the way." (18:40)

They explore whether the film's premise serves as a critique of materialism and the relentless pursuit of personal dreams, ultimately celebrating human compassion and connection.

6. Most Rewatchable Scenes

The hosts share their favorite moments, highlighting both comedic and poignant scenes:

• Bill Simmons: Favors the film's concluding act, particularly the football practice montage and the emotional finale where Joe Pendleton's presence culminates in a Super Bowl victory before his untimely demise.

  "The last 40 minutes are just like lights out. It's the best movie I've ever seen." (18:15)

• Chris Ryan: Loves the scene where Max convinces Joe of his true identity, finding it both delightful and heart-wrenching.

  "There are small things in the movie that make this character one of the most lovable characters on screen." (18:32)

• Van Lathan: Enjoys the training montages and the interactions between Beatty and Charles Grodin, especially their on-set dynamics.

7. What Aged Well vs. What Aged Poorly

The trio discusses elements that have stood the test of time and those that feel dated:

• Aged Well:

  • Performances: Beatty's and Grodin's acting remains compelling.
  • Themes: The exploration of identity and the afterlife continues to resonate.
  • Humor: The screwball comedy elements still elicit genuine laughs.

• Aged Poorly:

  • Cultural Depictions: References to 70s football culture feel antiquated compared to modern portrayals.
  • Gender Roles: Julie Christie's character dynamics might seem limited or stereotypical to contemporary audiences.
  • Special Effects and Setting: Some visual and set design choices are unmistakably of their time, which may not translate well today.

Chris points out:

"The minimalistic approach that Warren Beatty uses...very few people can do this." (04:07)

8. Critical Reception and Awards

"Heaven Can Wait" garnered nine Oscar nominations, a testament to its critical acclaim. The hosts reference Roger Ebert's three-star review, appreciating how the film balances humor with underlying social critiques. However, they also mention Pauline Kael's unfavorable opinion, labeling the film as "image conscious celebrity moviemaking."

9. Potential Sequels and Alternate Universes

Imagining alternate scenarios, the hosts entertain ideas for sequels or reimaginings:

• Horror Interpretation: Chris suggests viewing the film as a horror story, with celestial beings tormenting Joe Pendleton.

  "You could look at this entire movie as a horror movie if you want. Because... this shit is kind of fucked up." (77:06)

• Modern Adaptations: They contemplate how a remake might differ, incorporating today's cultural and technological landscape, such as social media's impact on the story.

10. Host Banter and Personal Insights

Throughout the episode, Bill, Chris, and Van engage in lighthearted banter, sharing personal anecdotes and humorous observations. They reflect on Warren Beatty's celebrity lifestyle, Julie Christie's career trajectory, and their own connections to classic cinema.

11. Categories and Awards Segment

In their signature "categories" segment, the hosts create humorous awards related to "Heaven Can Wait":

• The Sasha Jenkins Award: For the actor you can't believe didn't become a bigger star. Possible nominees include Charles Grodin and Diane Keaton.

• The Amanda Dobbins Award: For the best piece of real estate, awarding Leo Farnsworth's mansion.

• The Weakest Link: They unanimously decide that multiple characters, including the incompetent backup quarterbacks, deserve this dubious honor.

12. Final Thoughts and Closing Remarks

As the episode wraps up, Bill acknowledges the podcast's dynamic and teases future content, maintaining the engaging and conversational tone that listeners appreciate. They reflect on the enduring charm of "Heaven Can Wait" and its place within the pantheon of 70s cinema.

"We will be back next week and it won't be a Saturday. Thanks." (114:31)

Notable Quotes:

• Bill Simmons (04:07): "I like his theory on stardom. Sometimes you just have to let the camera cheer you up and just be handsome."

• Chris Ryan (18:32): "Mr. F. But he's got his entire world back. This is all he wants to do."

• Van Lathan (53:03): "What is iconic like that one scene."

Conclusion

"Heaven Can Wait" serves as a nostalgic yet insightful exploration of 70s filmmaking, star power, and storytelling. Through engaging discussion, the hosts uncover layers of the film that both celebrate and critique its era, offering listeners a comprehensive and entertaining rewatch experience.