‘Two for the Money’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Cousin Sal

Summary

The Rewatchables: 'Two for the Money'

Host: Bill Simmons
Guests: Chris Ryan, Chris Vannini, Cousin Sal (Salvatore Anthony), Craig
Date: November 25, 2025

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Episode Overview

The Rewatchables crew dives into Two for the Money (2005), the under-the-radar sports gambling drama starring Matthew McConaughey and Al Pacino. The panel explores the film as a time capsule of pre-legalized sports betting, a vehicle for rowdy performances, and a weirdly personal snapshot of a once-seedy side of sports culture. They reminisce about the era of 900-number touts, reflect on McConaughey’s career trajectory, debate the film’s rewatchability, and question the logic (and hairlines) behind its characters. True to The Rewatchables spirit, the episode is packed with nostalgia, raucous sidebars, and sharp analysis of what makes this movie endure on cable.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Golden Era of Sports Gambling Content

[03:22-06:46]

• The guys position Two for the Money as a post-Rounders, pre-legalized gambling artifact, when touts and 900 numbers were still king.
• Chris Ryan recalls watching the “Sports Advisors” and the sheer entertainment value of characters like Stu Finer and Jack Price, even before the rise of ironic internet fandom.
• Sal shares a personal story about being suckered by a tout’s scam in college, underlining the manipulative, "boiler room" nature of the industry.

"What kind of idiot gives $400 to a total stranger?"
— Salvatore Anthony, recounting a tout’s brutal retort to his college friend Harry [09:42]

2. Movie Context: Why Did Hollywood Make This?

[12:00-14:45]

• The 2000s were awash in sports movies, but Two for the Money stands apart by focusing on sports betting touts, not athletes or gamblers themselves.
• The hosts riff on the “mentor-fast riser” archetype (Wall Street, Devil’s Advocate, Training Day), and how this film injects it into the world of sports picks.
• Sal notes the oddness of the release date: “Why would they release this movie Columbus Day weekend? Just dead for sports.” [01:30]

3. Touting vs. Betting: The Lost Subculture

[05:00-07:45]

• The movie captures a uniquely '90s form of sports gambling—tout services—where customers pay for picks but never directly bet.
• Chris: "The best part of this movie is it captures exactly what that was like. I wish it had done more." [06:29]

4. Real-Life Parallels and Scam Exposés

[08:20-09:44]

• Panel recounts how touts were exposed as frauds by media (notably Rick Reilly in SI), and how naive they themselves were as young sports fans.
• Sal describes how touts would split a list of callers and guarantee half of them wins, creating a false image of prediction accuracy.

5. McConaughey’s Career in Transition

[17:08-21:04]

• The film lands in McConaughey’s “pre-McConaissance” lull (“Failure to Launch,” “Sahara”), before he reinvented himself with Magic Mike and Dallas Buyers Club.
• Chris quotes from his own 2005 column, wondering: "Why do I root for him in every movie?...Doesn't it feel like his career should have been better? He's the Jimmy Jackson of Hollywood." [18:46]

“If you threw this movie at him today or 10, 20 years ago, he'd still do it…My brother was a tout…He had a tout service…27 and 0, then everybody hated him as soon as he lost.”
— Sal relaying McConaughey’s research into the role [20:05]

6. Pacino: The Grouchy Gambler King

[23:51-29:11]

• The panel celebrates Pacino chewing scenery, channeling echoes of Heat, Scent of a Woman, Devil’s Advocate, and even Dog Day Afternoon.
• Pacino’s character, Walter Abrams, is dissected as both mentor and deeply broken—a gambling, sex, and paternal figure wound together.
• Memorable lines:
  • “Modesty’s not a virtue. Might be a vice.” [25:04]
  • “You lactose intolerant fuck.” [25:24]
  • “You’re selling certainty in an uncertain world.” [25:12]

7. The Absurdity & Camp of Sports Betting Movies

[34:34-47:58]

• From shirtless McConaughey workout montages to the Sports Advisors’ faux TV set, the movie serves as a time capsule of male bravado and over-the-top “systems.”
• The guys revel in the gambler’s anonymous “lemons” speech—a highlight for memorable Pacino monologues [47:25].
• The “psych system”—a parody of touts’ pseudo-analysis—is dissected and affectionately mocked.

8. What’s Aged (Best/Worst), and the Shifts in Gambling Culture

[49:50-54:00; 63:13-65:12]

• What’s aged best: the dead genre of sports tout shows, Pacino's performance, and the nostalgia for “analog gambling” before everything went digital.
• What’s aged worst: the whole premise—nobody calls 900 lines anymore, and sports betting is fully legalized, digitized, and data-driven.
• Debate over title: "I still don’t understand it now, how we ended up with this title…what does Two for the Money mean?” [66:13]

9. Rewatchable Scenes

[30:40–48:00]

• Noteworthy, memorable scenes:
  • McConaughey’s college QB injury [31:12]
  • The “lemons” speech at Gamblers Anonymous [34:34]
  • Sports Advisors TV show parodies [13:49 & 34:59]
  • Brandon’s hot streak montage and subsequent cold spell

“Look, you give me McConaughey playing quarterback in college with crazy long hair…that’s rewatchable.”
— Chris Ryan [31:12]

“I love every scene with the Sports Advisor show...I wish there was more.”
— Chris Ryan [33:09]

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Notable Quotes

• “The best advice I ever heard: ‘What kind of idiot gives $400 to a total stranger?’”
  — Sal [09:44]

• “This movie is probably six, seven years too late.”
  — Chris Ryan [10:27]

• “Mentor fast-riser movies, this is a good one. Shades of Wall Street. Shades of Devil’s Advocate.”
  — Chris Ryan [12:00]

• “McConaughey is in a weird part of his career here...maybe his biggest problem is he’s a likable presence…but he’s not a great actor. He always plays himself.”
  — Bill Simmons [18:46]

• “[Pacino] can still turn the fastball.”
  — Chris Ryan [24:02]

• “You're selling certainty in an uncertain world.”
  — Pacino as Walter Abrams [25:12]

• “Modesty’s not a virtue. It might be a vice.”
  — Pacino [25:04]

• “It’s luck. Might as well flip a coin. Oh, he did flip a coin. Look at that.”
  — Sal [103:04]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:53-01:30 — The film’s odd release timing (Columbus Day), critique of marketing choices
• 03:22-04:45 — Background on the explosion of sports betting content and movies in the early 2000s
• 06:30-10:05 — Recollections of ’90s touts, sports betting culture, and scams
• 12:00-14:45 — Archetypes of mentor/mentee movies and this one’s twist
• 17:08-21:04 — McConaughey’s career context, charm, and pre-McConaissance struggles
• 23:51-29:11 — Pacino’s legacy, performance, and rewatchable lines
• 34:34-48:00 — Breakdown of most rewatchable scenes: QB montage, lemons speech, TV parodies
• 49:50-54:00 — Most 2005 details: fax machines, illegal gambling, tout shows
• 63:13-66:31 — What’s aged the worst; head-scratching over the film title’s meaning
• 70:17-70:55 — Bill’s perennial wish: a movie where the hero just keeps winning
• 79:15-81:34 — Old-school analog fantasy sports, chasing box scores
• 97:00-97:35 — Legendary tale: Sal’s friend joins the Navy to escape a gambling debt

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Segmented Highlights

[13:14] — “Slicking back your hair as a movie identity change”

A classic trope invoked for a character’s transformation, humorously discussed.

[29:26] — “When did Pacino go full raspy voice?”

Exploring Pacino’s evolution and his enduring status as the ‘gift goat’ of meme-able acting moments.

[47:25] — “The Lemons Speech”

Pacino dismantles the Gamblers Anonymous meeting with biting, existential monologue—instantly rewatchable.

[66:13] — “What does Two for the Money even mean?”

The show’s running confusion over the nonsensical title. Suggested alternates: “Money Line,” “Laying Wood,” “Chasing the Vague Hot Streak.”

[71:45] — “Dion Waiters Award”

Nominees for most memorable minor character include Piven’s Ari-like Jerry Sykes and Chuck Adler’s over-the-top cameo.

[95:48] — “Sal’s friend joins the Navy to dodge a gambling debt”

A legendary real-life tale of loss and escape, emblematic of the era.

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Final Thoughts & Verdict

Two for the Money stands as a time capsule of a vanished world—before legal betting, before smartphones, when touts promised locks and “systems” on late-night TV. The film’s campy energy, memorable performances (especially Pacino’s), and windows into male sports obsessions make it a uniquely rewatchable oddity, even if modern viewers see it as dated or nonsensical. The Rewatchables crew embrace both its flaws and its charms, making the case that, for nostalgia, background viewing, and Pacino completists, Two for the Money is a long-odds bet worth revisiting.

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Who Won the Movie?

• Chris Ryan: “Pacino—he takes it from fine to rewatchable.”
• Sal: “McConaughey—this pivoted his whole arc.”
• Consensus: Pacino’s scenery-chewing performance, but McConaughey also gets his due as the eventual comeback kid.

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For Further Watching

• Double Feature Suggestions: Rounders, Devil’s Advocate
• Sports Gambling Classics: The Gambler, Uncut Gems

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“I just want one TV show or movie where the guy just wins the whole time and then the movie ends…Let me go for the ride with you. My God, you went 29 and 2. That was amazing. End credits. Now I’m rich.”
— Bill Simmons [70:17]

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This summary captures the best of The Rewatchables’ deep cut into a forgotten genre flick, blending sports history, pop culture, and tongue-in-cheek commentary—perfect for newcomers and super-fans alike.

Transcript

[Chris Ryan]

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[Chris Vannini]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

How are you?

[Chris Vannini]

I'm doing great, man.

[Chris Ryan]

Good to see you taping this right after Tough Eagles loss 21. Not you lost to the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah, yeah. We arranged this way ahead of time, not realizing there'd be a controversial Cowboys Eagles game.

[Chris Vannini]

We knew back in the shame tunnel.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Deep down we knew. And you were texting me, go after yourself. Your team sucks. I was like, whoa, whoa, hold on. Let's see how this turns out.

[Chris Vannini]

Yes, that's exactly what happened, Sal.

[Chris Ryan]

We're together on Sunday nights during football season. You're in the Ringer gambling show as well. We've known each other for a long time. You've only been on a couple of rewatchables.

[Salvatore Anthony]

I'm intimidated by this. I told you, I don't like to.

[Chris Ryan]

Play the Sal card too often.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Good.

[Craig]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

The last time you're on was Back to the Future too, right?

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

We talked about Biff's Sports Almanac cr. You've been circling Two for the Money. I don't remember the first time you texted me about it, but it's been.

[Chris Vannini]

A while and we also just. I'm gambling again. Has been a battle cry of this podcast for a long time.

[Chris Ryan]

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[Salvatore Anthony]

Italian boiler room mafia, know, backdoor dealings, Gambling. I could kind of work Columbus.

[Chris Vannini]

Wait a second.

[Salvatore Anthony]

You.

[Chris Vannini]

So you're just going to do the like the lead from your page two column from 20 years ago just like.

[Chris Ryan]

Well, I was re rereading it. I first of all forgot I wrote about the movie. I've hit the point in my life where I, I was reading it like somebody else wrote it.

[Salvatore Anthony]

That was great, by the way. You were, you were a great writer. You didn't know him back then.

[Chris Vannini]

I didn't know.

[Salvatore Anthony]

You got to trust me. He was really, really good. No, I, I read it.

[Chris Ryan]

I reread it.

[Salvatore Anthony]

It's a re readable.

[Chris Ryan]

I read it. I'm going to plagiarize pieces of it for this podcast. I was Rounders era though. So Rounders comes out late 90s and then eventually at some point, everyone starts taking cracks at these different sports movies. TV shows. We have Tilt, their friends, Koppelman and levine that's on ESPN. Playmakers 2 for the money, Fever Pitch, Friday Night Lights. There's a million Disney movies like the Rookie Miracle. All those Tolan Robin movies that were out like Varsity Blues, Summer Catch. It was like the sports content frenzy. Everyone was trying to crack the code. Sal, sports gambling, which by this time you and I had known each other for a couple years. There's a sports gambling movie coming out with McConaughey and Pacino. We're excited.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Pretty great. And yeah, you talked about all those other movies and just. Yeah. It requires to field full teams and full stadiums and everything else. And this was basically shot in one office for like 75% of the movie.

[Chris Ryan]

With the old USFL highlights. Who knew the USFL was gonna be the most important thing that ever happened to content?

[Salvatore Anthony]

It really was the best. The only good thing about it. Yeah, I, I can't, I can't watch too much of it though. It's so disingenuous.

[Chris Ryan]

The sports gambling?

[Salvatore Anthony]

No, no, just the, the non descript jerseys and. Right.

[Chris Vannini]

It's tough when you don't get the rights and you're just watching Tampa vs. Oakland in the big game.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Well, they did. They. They couldn't get the rights. Nobody can get the rights to super bowl. So. The Super bowl with four X's.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Super 40. They called it Super.

[Chris Ryan]

Super XXXX. They tried to do that. Cr. So Friday night Lights worked the best out of all of these. Did any of these other ones work?

[Chris Vannini]

I mean, it's interesting that you're categorizing it as post rounders, because I think that this movie has a lot of that in its DNA. And then I think it has a fair amount of Jerry Maguire in terms of this kind of side story within the world of sports that you don't know that much about. So obviously, Maguire is about the words world of being a sports agent, and this is about the world of gambling. But specifically. And it's both what's aged the best and the worst. And we're probably gonna get into this. But a very specific kind of sports gambling culture, which isn't betting. It's touting.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Right.

[Chris Ryan]

We gotta do this now. We gotta. I think it's an age the best and an age the worst. Yeah. Cause this is what we grew up with in the 90s with these shows. And I wrote in that page two column I wrote about when I lived with my buddy Jeff, best man in my wedding, we would watch the Sports Advisors every week. And it was Stu Finer, Jack Price. It was like we didn't have unintentional.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Wayne Allen root, Jim Feist, Larry Coker.

[Chris Ryan]

We didn't have the Internet to embrace the unintentional comedy. So as far as Jeff and I knew, we were the only two people on the planet who thought this was funny. And they would go. They would cut to. Price would be like, I'm here in Vegas. But he was clearly in a green screen. Stu Finer was a maniac. And these guys would all be like, call my 900 right now. And I got the lock of the year. And it really was like this. So this movie, the best part of this movie is it captures exactly what that was like. I wish it had done more.

[Chris Vannini]

There are two things I remember, like they happened yesterday in my life about watching football and being a football fan when I was a little kid. One is, on Sundays, my mom would be like, you can watch football for as long as you want, but you gotta do errands with me in the morning. So we would go out usually in New Jersey from Philadelphia to do food, shopping and whatever else. And I would be like, on a couple of them, I'd have to go help her. But sometimes I could sit in the car and just listen to the radio all morning on ip. I remember it being a sports advisor going through the games, going through his picks and all of it was on turf after Black Friday after like a Republican president has been elected. He's 05 smash the over. You know, and it's just like these guys with these complete mythological advice that and the whole phenomenon of you'd be listening to the radio and the guys at different stadiums who would call in with updates like it's Bobby McNamara here in Dallas. Three nothing.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah, right, right.

[Chris Vannini]

And that would be his report. And those would be like the. That was like how I followed football all day Sunday other than watching the Eagles.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Did you? I got stuck. If I could tell a 45 second story. I was on one of these sucker lists, right? So you listen to these guys call my 900 number and we loved it. And it was pro line and it was me and my friend Harry and someh they got our phone numbers. We must have filled out something, right? And so then they would call us at the dorm, right, Just as we were like I try to blow them off like. And everybody had like a, like a name that like had money at the end. Like it's, it's Johnny Cash or you know, Stu Gold or yeah, anything like that. So it's like, hey, Stu Gold. Colin. What? I'm like, hey, I'm heading to the dining hallway. Really? Do they serve lobster? Because you could eat lobster seven days a week if you get my Big 12 game of the year. So we avoided for as long as eight. They, we could. But what they do is, and you pointed this out in the page two article, what normally they do is they'll take a list of suckers, 100 people, right? And they'll tell 50 of them take the Chiefs and they'll tell 50 of them take the Cowboys, right? So now they've given 50 people one winner and then they, they splinter that they tell 25 people, take the Colts, tell 25 people, take the Texans. So now they've given 25 people two winners. Goes on and on. So if you've given somebody three winners, right, you're going to listen.

[Chris Ryan]

So you're one of 12 people left on the list. They've given you the winner three weeks in a row and you're like, these guys are amazing, right?

[Salvatore Anthony]

So they, they get my friend Harry, they're like, send me $400 and I'll give you my ACC game of the year. It's between Florida State and, and Duke. And Harry gives the 400, but that's not a bet. So you just give them the money, and then you have to.

[Chris Ryan]

For the tip, Right?

[Chris Vannini]

For the. For. That's the price of the tip.

[Craig]

Exactly.

[Salvatore Anthony]

And then you have to make the bet, which has to be more than $400, obviously, for this to work. He gives out Duke plus 17, and Florida State wins, 59 to 20. And Harry's pissed, and he calls this guy back and he says, this is crazy. Your ACC game of the year. Who do you think you are, Duke? You give your ACC pick of the year, give up 59 points. What kind of idiot gives up ACC lock and makes it Duke? And he's like, I got a better question for you, Harry. What kind of idiot gives $400 to a total stranger? Click, hung up. And that's.

[Chris Ryan]

Wow. That's.

[Salvatore Anthony]

That's basically the story. That's. That's the boiler room mentality.

[Chris Vannini]

Because this existed in a kind of gray area of legality.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Right.

[Chris Vannini]

Like, and the way that they would get their money and the way that they would. Because there isn't actually, like, a contract where it's like, you have to do this, or, like, you should pay me a commission if you win. It's all, like, on the arm.

[Chris Ryan]

It's all advice. It was no different. This is all through the 90s. This is right around the tail end because the Internet's really starting to come in. But this was where you would talk to an astrologer, right?

[Salvatore Anthony]

Right.

[Chris Ryan]

You would do all kinds of 1900 stuff. There would be, like, sex lines. You'd talk to some girl. You'd keep paying.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Even the stock market was kind of like that.

[Craig]

Yeah.

[Salvatore Anthony]

People cold calling and screaming at you and stuff.

[Chris Ryan]

See, what's interesting, this movie is probably, like, six, seven years too late.

[Chris Vannini]

That's the thing. Because I think Glengarry Glen Ross.

[Chris Ryan]

You know what I mean?

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

The 90s was when Jeff and I, we would watch that show, and I can't remember which one we thought might actually be good. But, you know, at some point we were like, should we call, like, this guy? Seems like he's on it.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

We don't realize it's this massive scam. Now all this stuff's getting regulated. What was the year you forwarded. One of you forwarded the Sports Illustrated piece?

[Chris Vannini]

I did. It was a Rick Riley piece.

[Chris Ryan]

What year was that? That was the early 90s.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah, I think so.

[Chris Ryan]

That was the first time I was like, wait, these guys are fraud. Like, I thought they were these characters, but I Didn't know. We didn't know. Right.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Santa Fragrant.

[Craig]

Right.

[Chris Ryan]

I was like, oh, that guy must be awesome at gambling. He's getting 78% right. He's nailing him. Do you think we should do this now for a ringer gambling show?

[Salvatore Anthony]

What's that? Just do like.

[Chris Ryan]

No, just have like. Maybe it's the bundo.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Right.

[Chris Ryan]

We just completely. Sports advisors to. For the money. Him calm. Tony D. I'm here in Philly, guys, and Tony's talking. Yeah, Tony Dollars. Everyone is talking about the Texans defense.

[Craig]

We've been selling her 107 picks and people are pissed.

[Chris Ryan]

Craig, did you. So this is ahead of your time. This whole world.

[Craig]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

The 1900 world. Do you believe that this is what we did in the 90s is call random strangers for gambling advice?

[Chris Vannini]

Of course.

[Craig]

I mean, it's also. I mean, it's still going on today a little bit, right? I mean, like, you gotta pay for Warren Sharp's website. You pay like, however, hundreds of dollars.

[Chris Vannini]

It is a year. These guys are the original substacks. And you get your pigs.

[Craig]

Yeah, it's still going on today.

[Chris Ryan]

Did the Sports Advisors create substack? Interesting. Well, five reasons why I would defend this movie. It's a movie about sports, gambling, something that we've really enjoyed for the last 35 years. For me, it's a mentor fast riser movie. Cr. Shades of Wall Street. Shades of Devil's Advocate. What are some other ones like this where it's like. And it's always two really good jobs.

[Chris Vannini]

I mean, training day. I mean, like, you get your training day lots of. Anytime you bring, like a little lamb and he has to hang out with a wolf all day, you know, and then it's like the teacher becomes the master, becomes the student. Or vice versa.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. I was getting a lot of Donnie Brasco in there because it was right there with Chino. Right?

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Like, you know, Johnny.

[Chris Vannini]

It's also. I was very struck this time by. This is a weird comparison. It reminds me a little bit of Midnight Cowboy because it is a outsider coming into New York City who gets taken under his wing by, like, a real New York character.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Chris Vannini]

Who's really embedded in the city and he shows him the ways of the city and he basically turns him into a projection of what he wants him to be.

[Chris Ryan]

So I have those two. I have McConaughey as just a great movie hang for movies like this. I'm gonna talk about him in a second. The Sports Advisors. It just brought Me back. We used to. Jeff will still text me the stu finer. If it seems like it wins every week. If I win every week, it's because I do. Like, we used to just love that guy. And then Pacino, the. The actual, like the TV show and the info, like, it's kind of dead on. Yeah, they did a great job with the actual show that Walter. Whatever hosts. And he's like, here he is, Walter. The psych system.

[Chris Vannini]

The psych.

[Chris Ryan]

Go to him. Let's go to this guy. And these guys would just come like.

[Chris Vannini]

Kind of mafioso guy who's just like, I'll clip you nuts if you don't do this.

[Chris Ryan]

See, Sal doesn't want to admit something. Young Sal in college.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Go ahead.

[Chris Ryan]

He's like, someday I'm going to be on one of these shows. I know you did. I know. I know you and Harry talked about it.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Why not? They were our celebrities.

[Chris Ryan]

What was your gimmick going to be? I probably would have come out with a kilt.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah. I don't know what I would have done.

[Chris Ryan]

Rowdy. Rowdy.

[Salvatore Anthony]

So when you brought it up, like, it's like we learn. I hope I don't screw this up for anyone. We learned there's no Santa Claus, like around six or seven, right?

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Salvatore Anthony]

We learned wrestling's not real. Round 11, 12.

[Chris Ryan]

Before that. 45.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah, 45. And then like it seems like every five years. And then five years after that, we learned these guys don't know shit because you can't unless, like, they don't even pretend to have inside information. That would have made the movie so much better if anybody had any sort of like, lean on anything.

[Chris Vannini]

Hey, it's Brandon uses the force. He's like, I know ball. And I just know that these guys.

[Chris Ryan]

Are going to lose.

[Craig]

I know. Why doesn't he read any stats on air? Why isn't he like, look, the defensive line not going to hold up.

[Chris Vannini]

I don't want to get super.

[Salvatore Anthony]

I end up.

[Chris Vannini]

But the antagonistic relationship towards analytics of this movie is one of my favorite things about it.

[Chris Ryan]

This is when I always joke about the sports movie consulting thing. I would have had a lot of notes.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Oh, yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

It's like. So Brandon's like, just. Does he have esp? What am I supposed to think of him as a character? Doesn't seem like he really watches football. No, he just knows the teams, the matchups.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Because he played. And we know if you played Pete Rose should have been great at picking was terrible.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah.

[Salvatore Anthony]

But no, this guy who bust his knee out in a fictitious bowl game. He knows. And better than that, Pacino falls for it. Pacino's been doing this for 30 years, but you got the goods, kid.

[Chris Ryan]

Well, I mean, he was going like 9 and 2 every week or whatever, like on his own.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah, right?

[Chris Vannini]

Yes.

[Chris Ryan]

My favorite, when he's showing how much football he knows, when he's telling the guy behind the counter in Vegas and he's like. He's like, gruden, coach these guys. He knows Tim Brown loves the ball over his left shoulder. So he's going to put a corner on him, force him. I'm like, what? Tim Brown only likes catching the ball one way. What receiver. What receiver in NFL history is like, you gotta throw. I gotta catch it like this.

[Chris Vannini]

You threw it to my other shoulder.

[Chris Ryan]

Can't catch it like this. It's gotta be. I gotta be turned this way.

[Salvatore Anthony]

The other. I mean, the. And the. And the. Really. I don't want to put a complete pin in this, but if anybody actually had inside information, if anybody actually had a gift, they wouldn't tell a soul. You would bet the games yourself. You don't want any stranger knowing this. For $25, $50, the money gets out of whack. We'll talk about it in a second. But you wouldn't tell anybody.

[Chris Ryan]

Well, I think these guys also would have used that hundred. Down to 50, down to 25. Like that. That's how all these. That's what Riley's piece was about way back when. That. These guys, they're just trying to narrow down the final 10.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah, they're trying to figure it out.

[Chris Ryan]

And the rest are going to fall by the wayside. But that final 10 will give them a bunch of money. All right, McConaughey, we're gonna talk about a lot of the Gamma with this movie later. McConaughey's in a weird part of his career here. From 03 to 08, he's in how to Lose a Guy in 10 Days. Sahara Two for the money. Failure to Launch. We are Marshall and Fool's gold.

[Chris Vannini]

So he had, like, this initial run when he first kind of burst on the scene after Dazed and Texas Chainsaw Massacre and all that. But, like, when he first kind of.

[Chris Ryan]

Like Time to kill was the time.

[Chris Vannini]

To kill Lone Star Amistad. Contact. Like he's working with big director.

[Chris Ryan]

He's an A plus Lister minted.

[Chris Vannini]

Yes.

[Craig]

Yeah.

[Chris Vannini]

And then he just kind of. I mean, Hollywood or him loses sort of the hold on the tail of what he is and what he should be doing.

[Chris Ryan]

You Just get replaced by Colin Farrell or whoever, like the next young handsome guys.

[Chris Vannini]

And it's like, you know, honestly, like, some of these movies that he did that he's probably like, that was a dark period for me. Or that was like a fallow period for me in retrospect, wind up being like totally fine, cable rewatchable kind of movies. But this is a good example of that. It's like Two for the Money is a movie where he probably is like, yeah, that wasn't exactly Dallas Buyers Club, but it's pretty enjoyable. And he's goes toe to toe with one of the great actors in movie history.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, he had hit a point. So that first year where we had Kimmel's show, we're not getting McConaughey in 02 or 03 on Kimmel's show. I think he's probably too famous.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Right?

[Chris Ryan]

Right.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Plus, we were doing a bit called the shirtless McConaughey. We'd go into the wild and like, the shirtless McConaughey was spotted off the coast of the Sahara. You know, like.

[Chris Ryan]

But by. By0506, McConaughey is coming on Kimmel's show. Like, this is like, I'd love to come on. That sounds great. And then it completely flips for him all of a sudden. By the Dallas Buyers Club. True Detective.

[Chris Vannini]

When we were doing Grantland, it was like he was throws of it. The McConaughey A + Lister, True Detective, Dallas Buyers Club.

[Chris Ryan]

So he figured out I wrote this in 2005. I don't remember writing it, but this is what I wrote. Because it felt like the moment had passed for him. Like, it was like, I don't know, he's like Jameis Winston now or something where like, oh, man, I like that guy. Why didn't it work out for him? I wrote, why do I root for him in every movie? Is it the whole Wooderson days to confuse thing? Wasn't he superb in A Time to Kill? Or Am I crazy? Doesn't it feel like his career should have been better? He's the Jimmy Jackson of Hollywood. Jimmy Jackson was an NBA player 30 years ago. There's no real reason why his career shouldn't have turned out better. But it didn't. And now he's stuck making chick flicks and B minus movies and wondering where the wheels come off. Maybe his biggest problem is he's likable presence and a solid actor to boot. But he's not a great actor. He always plays himself. You can't really make fun of him. Either. So what's left? So what turned CR told you.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Great.

[Chris Ryan]

How did he become Makani back in the day?

[Chris Vannini]

I think that he basically had to, like, not to use a gambling term, but he had to hit rock bottom. He had to be like, I don't really want to make these kinds of movies. I don't want to tell these kinds of stories. And then he got incredibly lucky. I mean, I think Magic Mike, to me, is like a really turning point movie because it's also a choice for him to be the third or fourth person in a film. Like, he's bare. He's briefly in that film, comparatively, but he's like, the material's good, the director is good. I think people will like me in it. And that's sort of where I think.

[Chris Ryan]

That unlocked it for him.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

What do you think?

[Salvatore Anthony]

So I think if you threw this movie at him today or 10 minutes, 10 years ago, or 20, he would still do it. When I interviewed him, he was close to this storyline. Like, I asked him, like, naturally I asked him, well, what did you do and how did you prepare for this? And he's like, I was in the boiler room with all these characters. And I learned. But more than that, my brother was a tout. He had a tout Service. He was 27 0, famously over four weeks. And then everybody hated him as soon as he lost. Like, so it was a weird thing. But then he, like, gets into a whole thing about. He's like, you know, when you're betting these things, sometimes, you know, sometimes you just know if it's a winner. I'm like, oh, boy. He's like, because of the intangibles, like east coast flying, west coast, or Brett Favre playing on a Monday after his father passes, or, you know, if you just had a kid you're gonna play.

[Chris Ryan]

Sounds like he's eligible for Ring of Winter, My budget.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah. He was drinking the Capra Kool Aid, I think so. So I think he would have accepted this at any time period you just mentioned.

[Chris Ryan]

I'll say this, I think he's awesome in this movie. I think this is like, as fun as a McConaughey movie performance as exists there is.

[Chris Vannini]

We have a category that we don't often use, which is basically, is this movie perfect for what it is? Yeah. I think that you could make an argument this is. It's basically like a three hander, a two and a half hander that doesn't get outside of its zone. It doesn't try to be about way more than it's not. It's actually fairly serious for passages, but it's a ton of fun. And often what happens when people go up against Pacino is they have to bend the knee and they have to be like, man, this guy's eating all the scenery. I just am like a background player. Like, that would be like Chris O' Donnell in Center Woman or something like that. McConaughey is like, I have such a different pitch than this guy that we can both be going at 10 at the same time, and it's not too much.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Right.

[Chris Vannini]

So Pacino's got all the New York Energy, and McConaughey's got all of this, like, Texas swagger. And it actually locks together really well because, like, the movie just asks so little of you in that way.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. It's. So Keanu is in the same spot with Devil's Advocate. Keanu easily could have been in this movie playing the guy he played in Hardball in this movie.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Right.

[Chris Ryan]

And I don't think it's as good. Cruz. This could have been an early 90s cruise part. There's no question. Actually would have been pretty good. Yeah, but this is money.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

McConaughey is perfect.

[Salvatore Anthony]

The only one I was.

[Chris Ryan]

That's another good one.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Vince Vaughn, but not handsome enough at that point. Like, you don't.

[Chris Ryan]

I think he was the last couple years of him as leading man. Maybe it's right when he does the breakup.

[Salvatore Anthony]

He would have been great on this.

[Chris Ryan]

I think Pitt could have done it at various points in his career. But it's like, you need handsome, charming, charismatic. I have to believe you played football in college. I have to believe all women are possible for you during the movie. And I gotta be rooting for you, Pacino. How many rewatchables do you think this is for Pacino? How many movies have you done?

[Chris Vannini]

Double digits.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah, I was gonna say 12, 14. Wow.

[Chris Ryan]

He's number two. He moved out of a dead heat with De Niro. No way. Yeah.

[Chris Vannini]

Do we have a lot of Pacino left, you think?

[Chris Ryan]

I think we. Well, we have Brasco and Scarface is left.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Dog Days left, huh? I think we have, like, five left.

[Salvatore Anthony]

So.

[Craig]

Yeah, Pacino is two all time now for us. Cruz has 17, Pacino at 14, De Niro at 13.

[Chris Vannini]

It's Denzel at 11.

[Craig]

Denzel's at 12.

[Salvatore Anthony]

So that's just alone.

[Chris Ryan]

11.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Colin's worth 500. I know, that's.

[Chris Ryan]

I don't think we can get Seagal into double figures. I looked. I tried to figure it out, and I just, I looked at every which way. We'd really have to have to bend a little bit. Pacino. This is like kind of the tail end of when he could do this in a movie. CR.

[Chris Vannini]

Yes. He's still plausibly in his 60s in this movie.

[Chris Ryan]

There's pieces of heat, there's pieces of scent of a woman, there's pieces of devil's advocate. He can still turn the fastball.

[Chris Vannini]

City hall, like. Yeah, he's. It's just like wind me up and go.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, I. And I'm not even sure who else, who else could have played Walter Abrams. It's like kind of perfect using a lot of Pacino pieces.

[Chris Vannini]

I wanted to talk to you a little bit about this because there's a much different version of this movie that's like much more serious and it's about addiction and it's also about sexual anxiety because part of this movie is Walter's trying to basically have sex with other women through Brandon.

[Craig]

Right.

[Chris Vannini]

He's setting him up with his wife, he's getting him hookers. He's always talking about how you're me 30 years ago, Brandon, my cock no longer works.

[Chris Ryan]

I just want to sit in a chair and watch you have sex with my wife.

[Chris Vannini]

Why are you doing this as Collinsworth?

[Chris Ryan]

I don't know.

[Salvatore Anthony]

I'll put Collinsworth.

[Chris Ryan]

I don't know why I couldn't do the Pacino. I couldn't make my voice raspy enough. Do Pacino.

[Chris Vannini]

Not after that. Yeah, I'm gonna let the Collinsworth breathe a little.

[Chris Ryan]

So he has some classic Pacino lines in here. Modesty's not a virtue. It might be a vice.

[Chris Vannini]

Might be a vice.

[Chris Ryan]

You're selling certainty in an uncertain world. John Anthony's living large. He's got a direct line to God. Your clients are jumping ship. You lactose intolerant fuck.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah.

[Salvatore Anthony]

That was to pivot. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

And then the best part of a drug is in the high. It's the moment right before you take it. Five great Pacino wisdoms. Pretty good. Give us your pacino. I know CR's relationship with Pacino. What about you, Sal?

[Salvatore Anthony]

I think he makes just everything better. I think this is probably one of the last that he could have a seven year old daughter. He could do that thing right.

[Chris Vannini]

In real life, I think he has.

[Salvatore Anthony]

A five year old daughter. But to me it's like you talk about being cool on screen. Don Draper, the smoking, the drinking. De Niro smoking. This is going to sound stupid, but I think it's cool when he fumbles for his heart pills. I was like, I want to be like that. I want to be the same thing. You grab and you got.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Can you get. You snap it and you go. And it's right back in and you're good as new in like 10 seconds.

[Chris Ryan]

It's like, I just want to stay alive for six more months to see Brandon, my wife, for the AFC championship.

[Chris Vannini]

You can get my free game parlay.

[Salvatore Anthony]

On the eve of Super 4.

[Chris Ryan]

40 Super XXXX. Yeah, this is the tail end for Pacino here because it starts. He starts getting a little too old. Ebert, in his review, was talking about how it was a little bit of a Pacino renaissance here in the early 2000s. Coming off, he directed I can feel.

[Chris Vannini]

Raj in the room with us right now.

[Chris Ryan]

Raj was three and a half out of four.

[Salvatore Anthony]

He gave a good one.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, this Roger was three and a half stars. He wrote you could see Al Pacino doing something he's done a lot lately, having a terrific time being an actor. George C. Scott used to say, when a good actor was in the right role, you could sense the joy of performance. Pacino has moments here when he doesn't quite click his heels. He means that positively. And he says McConaughey and Russo are wonderful, too.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Three and a half stars from Raj. Unfortunately, the general public didn't agree. $35 million budget made 30.5. And when I wrote my review for page two, which I didn't remember writing, I was complimenting it, but I didn't want to be blurbed for the posters, so I just wrote a lot of words. Blurbable. I was basically like, that's funny. I knew I liked it, but I think its destiny was cable. I don't think it was quite a movie theater movie. I think it was at some point, this should just be on TNT or Cinemax for five straight years, which is what happened.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah, this is a kind of originalist movie for us where it's like if you are walking by a television and Brandon Lang is getting the Pretty Woman montage to turn into John Anthony. You're like, all right, I gotta stick around.

[Chris Ryan]

I got 20.

[Chris Vannini]

I gotta watch him go to Wingfoot, you know, like, let's go.

[Salvatore Anthony]

I love that he has to have a makeover. Like, well, how do we get this schlub?

[Craig]

Give him a haircut.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Like they took Jack Black off of Skid Row or something. It's like, all right, he's pretty good looking. You're fine.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, so what they do, they. They cut that. He had, like, Some. Some girth and a little bit.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Slick the hair back, Got him a.

[Chris Vannini]

Couple of new suits, test drove a.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Car which we don't know what happened to. I don't know.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Chris Vannini]

The.

[Chris Ryan]

The really nice Mercedes in New York City about wine. All right, Craig, any Pacino thoughts before we move on? Because we've done. I don't know how many you've produced where we've done Pacino, but probably a lot of them. Number two rewatchables, actor of all time right now.

[Craig]

Well, it's funny because it's like the first experience people my age had with Pacino was like, after he kind of jumped the scent of a woman. Shark. So it's actually weirder to go back and watch Pacino when he was like 32 and really subtle and didn't have like the crazy, rassy voice to everyone now in my generation, he's like everyone's crazy uncle as an actor.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah, sure.

[Chris Vannini]

Wild eyed. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Which I think he embraced and was like, not only am I good with this, I'll play this part for however many times you're just going to give me a good check.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah. I mean, it's really strange to go back to the 70s stuff and the early 80s stuff and see him doing all this nuanced kind of subtle acting, especially as Michael. And. And then to. To be like. But what you'll be known for is out of crazy, just yelling. That's like what you're going to do.

[Salvatore Anthony]

When did he make the turn? What was you son of a woman?

[Chris Ryan]

I think he got Son of woman in the Heat.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah. That was two. No way. What year?

[Craig]

Early 90s.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Okay.

[Chris Vannini]

All right.

[Chris Ryan]

It's funny because you watch Godfather 2, which I watch all the time, but the scene with. With. I'm blanking on the old character, the guy that Lee Strasbourg. Hyman Roth.

[Chris Vannini]

Hyman Roth? Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Hyman Roth does that long story about Moe Green. That man was named Mo Green. And he does that whole thing. And Pacino's just kind of watching him and playing off him and just kind of completely still and you just. 2005 Pacino. I don't know how he plays that. Right.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Vannini]

When they attack Tahoe and he starts yelling and he's like, my house where my children live and sleep. You know, like, that's like. That was like the only sneak preview of what we were gonna get in the 90s.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. Like this Pacino in 05 doing the Fredo can only see, can only be here. I need to know a half hour ahead of Time when he visits my mother and all this stuff. That would have been Pacino dialing it up right.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Wait, I could do this for two and a half hours. This one line. All right, sign me up.

[Chris Ryan]

You broke my heart, Fredo. It's time to get in. Our favorite segment, the most rewatchable scene, which is today brought to you by PayPal. From now through December 8th, you can get 20% cash back when you pay in 4 with PayPal. No fees, no interest. Save the offer in the app now. Most rewatchable scene look, you give me McConaughey playing quarterback in college with crazy long hair. Hair extensions. We should have. If we had a hair extension purse. That would have been a good look for you for this. Just for the beginning.

[Chris Vannini]

Out of my hat. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Long. I don't even know where you find those, but it's part of a helmet actually.

[Salvatore Anthony]

It's actually.

[Chris Vannini]

Who do you think that was supposed. Like, what would that see?

[Chris Ryan]

Like Jake Plummer. I was wondering.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Maybe. Yeah, I did.

[Chris Ryan]

This isn't. Doesn't fit for nitpicks or unanswerable, but it's something I've noticed in football movies, they love having the quarter, the plate break down and the quarterback just. He's got to basically scramble for 30 yards and at some point he's running toward the middle, about to get tackled and does this crazy spin move. That always works.

[Chris Vannini]

Yes.

[Chris Ryan]

Has it ever worked at midlife, ever? Usually the guy gets concussed.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Right? Right.

[Chris Ryan]

Like if Drake May did that, I would have a heart attack. But in the sports movies, they do the twirl around, then they go for the goal line. They get hit by three people at the same time.

[Craig]

Yes, they do the Sage Rose helicopter.

[Chris Vannini]

But usually they don't have like a Joe Theisman esque knee injury at the end of it.

[Chris Ryan]

I was wondering, like, is this Jackson Dart's problem as he loves sports movies and he's like, every time I watch a sports movie this works, I just gotta take on five guys at once. What could be the worst thing?

[Craig]

Yeah, the heroes scramble. You know, it's not sexy to watch. If the receiver makes the catch, he's the hero. The quarterback's gotta run.

[Chris Vannini]

It wouldn't be cool if he just did a bunch of checkdowns until he.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Got diving for the pylon with no one else around.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

I mean, the play that you would do now is the. The Cam Ward play where you scramble out of bounds. You're going at the last minute right as you're falling out of bounds. Getting hit. You chuck it into the middle of the field and the guy catches it. That'd be the realistic play.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Now probably just be a tush push or some bullshit.

[Chris Vannini]

Well Brandon Lang was just born too early. You know. He just needed a much more wide open offensive system.

[Chris Ryan]

The tush push would be hilarious.

[Chris Vannini]

I just ignore that slow motion.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Four guys on the line moving a second half.

[Chris Ryan]

Sierra's like, listen man, you told me no tush push jokes. I told you I'd do it with Sal.

[Salvatore Anthony]

You're right.

[Chris Ryan]

Not talking about the you're learning division.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Sorry.

[Chris Ryan]

I also love Walter showing a clip of the sports. I love every scene with the Sports Advisor show.

[Chris Vannini]

Yes.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Just. I can't get enough of it. I wish there was more.

[Chris Vannini]

So your first thing is.

[Chris Ryan]

Is.

[Chris Vannini]

Is the football. Pre. Preamble.

[Chris Ryan]

Next one I have is Pacino's first scene with the hard sell to Brandon followed by the. Brandon figures out his character and keeps working on the tape. I. That whole scene's. I love it. Yes. Working on his John Anthony voice.

[Chris Vannini]

Pumping iron right before I pod. This is Chris Ryan. I'm here on the rewatchables brother.

[Chris Ryan]

Welcome to the watch.

[Chris Vannini]

The best is because Gilligan's nuanced portrait of a post apocalyptic America. Let's go.

[Salvatore Anthony]

They gotta work backwards. Right. To get him shirtless.

[Craig]

Right.

[Salvatore Anthony]

So what do we do? There's no real training montage but maybe if he has to come to life moment. Meanwhile the truth is these idiots in the boiler room. There's not a sit up between them.

[Chris Vannini]

No.

[Salvatore Anthony]

They don't look like me. It's ridiculous.

[Chris Ryan]

He's shirtless. How many times? At least three in this movie. I think that was in his contract. I'll do it but I got to be sure this right. Pacino's gambling rehab speech takes them to rehab and gives them the us lemons. We up all the time on purpose because we constantly need to remind ourselves we're alive. Gambling's not your problem. It's this up need to feel something and convince yourself you exist.

[Chris Vannini]

Do you guys actually.

[Chris Ryan]

That's the problem.

[Chris Vannini]

Do you ever feel that close to it that that primal feel of I don't gamble on sports. So I was just curious.

[Salvatore Anthony]

But he made it like it was losing is what.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Is great.

[Chris Vannini]

But that's what I'm asking is like when you take it.

[Chris Ryan]

Sal and I are on the opposite end. We don't like losing.

[Salvatore Anthony]

No. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

I like the winning part.

[Salvatore Anthony]

I do too.

[Chris Vannini]

You guys are just the best. Most well adjusted gamblers.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. We like when we win the bet.

[Salvatore Anthony]

We want to introduce this concept to a whole new audience where.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, we're trying to do through Ringer 107, where all of us are 28 and 30 or whatever our records are.

[Salvatore Anthony]

I love. That was mine, too. How is it? Do I jump in if it's mine? Mine.

[Chris Ryan]

I'm going to go through all of them, and then if I forgot one, tell me the TV show scene where we. We've. What was the psych system?

[Chris Vannini]

I'll tell you. Do you want to know?

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. What is it?

[Chris Vannini]

Stats, records, rankings, whether if the goal post is tilted just a little bit. The psych system uses 42 proven indexes. And to eliminate the guesswork in sports.

[Chris Ryan]

Wagering, I'd use that right now.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Although it's just stats.

[Chris Vannini]

It's just like. It's not like. It's like some hidden algorithm.

[Chris Ryan]

Do you think House practices the psych system?

[Salvatore Anthony]

I think so. Yeah. I could see it. People have their models, right?

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. So this is like Raheem's model.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah, Raheem's model, the psych system.

[Chris Vannini]

Oh, yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

So Raheem should call it the Raheem system.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Sure.

[Chris Ryan]

Instead of him talking about a model, he should be like, I checked out the Raheem system.

[Chris Vannini]

I looked at the stats of records in the Raheem. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

I have a minus 6 in the Raheem system. So we're doing something wrong with ringer gambling. We need more branding and more big, big giant things.

[Chris Vannini]

We need to see more characters. You guys all have to adapt, adopt a character.

[Chris Ryan]

Well, I don't know if you've seen Raheem. I think he qualifies. I'd like to think JJ qualifies a little less character. The Bundo. We're trying to pull the character out.

[Chris Vannini]

Tony Dollars. Yeah.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Tony Dollars has been doing great, but when you.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah. When you talk about models, no one ever holds you to it. It's the same thing. It's a psyche because it's proprietary. You and I should say we have a model. I. I went to a wedding.

[Chris Ryan]

I did this.

[Salvatore Anthony]

I saw someone who goes on TV often talks about how she has a he or she has a model. And I was like, let's see what's going on. She's like, oh, no, I can never show you. I could tell there was no cooking recipe. It's fine.

[Chris Ryan]

I have symbotics for before the season. That was the only model I created, my whole system for picking teams in the futures. Yeah, well, it was a joke. I named it Symbotics But I kind of stuck with systems.

[Chris Vannini]

Right. Like I do. You and Lombardi used to have blue chips, right?

[Chris Ryan]

It was like, yeah, I have a whole. That ranking system. I do. I have the playoff manifesto.

[Craig]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

But nothing as good as.

[Chris Vannini]

How often do you stick to the manifesto?

[Chris Ryan]

I try it for playoffs. I try to stick. I mean, it's funny. I've been.

[Salvatore Anthony]

By then, we have no money.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, well, I've been violating it in real life. Like, how did we not bet on against JJ McCarthy and Lambo? Like, how was that one of my five picks?

[Salvatore Anthony]

Well, we did the next best thing. We bet on him.

[Chris Ryan]

Right. I put a little on the money line.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Stupid. I did the psych. I needed the sex system. It didn't exist. We also have that Chuck Adler guy who's coming in.

[Chris Vannini]

He's just having an aneurysm.

[Chris Ryan]

He's from obviously the Philadelphia area.

[Chris Vannini]

Is he?

[Chris Ryan]

No. I'm just guessing.

[Chris Vannini]

It wouldn't surprise me if he was Tri state area.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Maybe. He might have been in task. I. I'm gonna give him preemptively the Ruffalo hand and Ruben Partridge overacting word. That guy. They're like, hey, Chuck adler coming hot. CR. Why wasn't this McConaughey's first Oscar? His scene where the sports advisors that comes to him and he goes, every QB knows the secret. The key to victory is anticipation, the ability to see the future and react to it.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

And just the way he makes love to the camera.

[Chris Vannini]

Well, because it's like he's been going so over the top as John Anthony so far, and then he kind of has that little kernel of like, it's just you and me talking here, you know?

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Chris Vannini]

Just the two of us.

[Chris Ryan]

Let's make some bets together, brother. I was in. I thought that scene could have been five minutes longer.

[Craig]

Who.

[Chris Vannini]

If you're turning on sports advisors, who do you find yourself most drawn to?

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, psych system.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah, psych system.

[Chris Ryan]

Completely. That guy's got 42 variables. I want to know what he's thinking. Who would you have. Who'd you have drafted to Craig drifted.

[Craig]

To on the sports?

[Chris Ryan]

Those four guys who would have been your guys.

[Craig]

You always got to be wary of the guy who's too attractive. Like, when you look at McConaughey, you're like, this guy's a snake oil salesman.

[Chris Vannini]

It's pivot, man.

[Craig]

You got to go with the ugliest guy at the table. That's always the move.

[Chris Ryan]

Fair.

[Salvatore Anthony]

That's true. But McConaughey broke it down. Like he didn't stick to the script. Right. And he's like, this is not what. Like, he's like, I'm just, I'm just going to tell you how it is.

[Chris Vannini]

How it is.

[Salvatore Anthony]

And this is when the executive producer would blow up the show. But Pacino's like, no, it's always the.

[Chris Vannini]

Best part when a guy's just like, they've written me this speech I'm supposed to give you. But.

[Craig]

And Pacino knows the cameras are only on. On Brandon. He's talking to the director. He's like, let it go.

[Salvatore Anthony]

This is cold.

[Chris Ryan]

But Brandon's on a heater at this point.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah. So it's my understanding this takes place over one football season, right?

[Chris Ryan]

Yes.

[Chris Vannini]

So he's gone.

[Craig]

He's hot for like five, six weeks, right?

[Salvatore Anthony]

I think so, yeah. It's probably.

[Craig]

And.

[Chris Ryan]

And a little unrealistically hot. I mean, he has to pick nits. But you're not going 13 and 0.

[Salvatore Anthony]

10 and 0 and hit the Monday night parlay. Wow.

[Chris Ryan]

I have to tell a quick S story. Sal. When, when I was at ESPN in Grantland along with CR Sal ended up on SportsCenter.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Giving picks.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Right.

[Chris Ryan]

And you had your. What was it, your best bet.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah. Thursday night I would go on, I would give four picks and what you're gonna say my record.

[Chris Ryan]

I was like, no, but you had one where you, you hit every week for like 11 weeks or something.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah, I was 18, 0 and 2. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Wow. He. Sal hit a heater and it's Onius Sal Anthony.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah, that's right.

[Chris Ryan]

And Sal and I thought this was like the most important story in sports. We thought this was like the heats 27 game win streak and Sal's heater and nobody cared. And I'm sending angry emails to ESPN PR. I was like, you don't understand. He's 18, 0 and 2. They're like, whatever, we don't care.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yahoo Scoop. Yahoo wrote an article about it.

[Chris Ryan]

Yes. Sal was the Range.

[Chris Vannini]

Who was the sports era anchor. You were usually doing it.

[Salvatore Anthony]

It was Neil Everett.

[Chris Vannini]

Ok.

[Salvatore Anthony]

It was.

[Craig]

What was your system?

[Chris Ryan]

He just got fired.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Sally Sykes system. But no, it was ridiculous. And I'd have one parlay, one teaser and like three straight bets. But. And I was so mad. You're right. Like we were all mad that ESPN wasn't doing anything about this. And I'm like, yahoo is scooping you. Your. Your competitor is scooping you. And the executive producer called me and he's like, look, we have to dip our toe in the water. If we keep a big deal out of this gambling thing. We're gonna lose the Monday night game and whatever. So it was different times.

[Chris Vannini]

Little did they know.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Exactly.

[Chris Ryan]

Sal was wandering around the extended LA area just telling everybody he knew. I'm 1801 2. It was like just a dream.

[Chris Vannini]

You're doing it like. What's your name? He's like 1802.

[Chris Ryan]

I had a couple doing my. My goal in my column was always to go 11 0. Was always the. It was 11 playoff games. Can you hit 11 0? And I think I had. I think I was 8. 0 heading into one of the conference weekends. And it was the only thing I cared about. I thought about it all day. I just want to do 11 and 0 once. Never happened. Now it's 13 0. It's like.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

I actually think that's genuinely impossible to pick 13 playoff games against the spread.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Do you? But anyway.

[Chris Ryan]

Brandon was.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Ever had a reason, like anything that you thought was the most important thing in the world and then nobody gives a shit.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah.

[Salvatore Anthony]

There's no feeling like it. There really isn't.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah.

[Salvatore Anthony]

I can't even imagine.

[Craig]

How was Liz doing the country? Strong rewatchables.

[Chris Ryan]

I stand by it. That was a great.

[Craig]

Do you think anybody could get this famous now? Is there too much gambling out there?

[Salvatore Anthony]

Where.

[Craig]

How hot would somebody need to go where they actually became a sensation?

[Chris Vannini]

I think it would have to be something that was more of a stunt. Like they're betting a million of their own dollars every game or something like that. Where it's like almost watching a guy on like who Wants to Be a Millionaire or something.

[Craig]

There are people who go viral on Instagram and it's like they kind of do gimmicks. It's like I'm betting the Angel Reese will miss her first shot every week for. You know. And it works for like 10 weeks in a row. But do you think anybody could genuinely get on SportsCenter famous giving their picks every week and everyone's tuning in or is there just too much gambling content out there now for that to happen?

[Chris Ryan]

So here's what I think has changed. I think the margins are basically gone and this has happened. It's almost like in baseball when like two teams knew about on base percentage and they were snapping up guys for years and years and nobody else knew. And it's like I will get this guy. His on base is 380 and he'd go for like 2 million bucks. I don't. Everyone knows all the same edges now. They know all The. Any sort of home splits or schedule stuff or think about how much time and energy we put in all this. The only real edge now is the futures. Like the. In July and August, like, trying to.

[Chris Vannini]

Figure out betting bets. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Division bets.

[Craig]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Looking like the Pats are a great example this year or like a new coach.

[Chris Vannini]

But aren't you just throwing, like, money into a well and hoping your wish comes true then is like, yeah, you're not.

[Chris Ryan]

You're not getting it until five months later. I think. I just think the odds are always, like. We always talk about this. The odds are like, perfect now. They weren't perfect in the 90s.

[Salvatore Anthony]

No. They're very tight and the AI and everything. And that's. They kick people off of sports betting sites because they see a pattern and it's just too hard. But, like, Billy Walters is a great example. He's one of, like, three people who's made money sports gambling in the last three decades. And he. He was. He was on my show for a little bit. I was like, wow, he wants to be on the show. And he was giving picks. And I was like, you got to look at the data here. I was like, oh, my God, no. You need. You need an Al Pacino type getting these picks. You have to have, like, you do have to have the personality. Otherwise it doesn't matter. It really doesn't.

[Chris Vannini]

Oh, God, though.

[Chris Ryan]

The real way to do this, which just isn't fun, is to just zag against the general public. Like, we're taping this on a Monday. The obvious game this week was Saints Falcons. We all had it in Ringer 107. It was like, saints minus one and a half. Everyone loved the Saints. And Sal and I would. We've known each other a long time. Anytime that happens, we're like, this isn't good because the general public doesn't win in gambling. So, you know, like, if nobody's taking the Falcons, probably just take the Falcons. But nobody wants to do that.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Right.

[Chris Ryan]

They'll post.

[Salvatore Anthony]

FanDuel, will even advertise it. These are the top five bets of the week. Like xxx.

[Chris Ryan]

You never want to have the top five bets, right?

[Craig]

No.

[Chris Ryan]

Because the general public usually loses.

[Chris Vannini]

It's also worth noting that. What Moneyball, the book is 02.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Chris Vannini]

Right.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Chris Vannini]

And then Sloan comes around 09.

[Chris Ryan]

10. Yeah.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah. So this is. Right. This is still like, really at the beginning of the idea of, like, you could have a psych system and you're one of, like, a minority of people who are looking at that stuff. Because people really were still. I think this is the way I prefer to consume sports media is to read writing about it rather than a bunch of numbers. But like people were like, yeah, you know what? This guy's just got grit. Or momentum is swinging their way. Or I feel like, you know, the weather's changed and this is a dome team. And all the stuff that like, you would just kind of go off of your gut rather than like, yeah, Manning outdoors.

[Chris Ryan]

He never wins.

[Chris Vannini]

Right, Exactly.

[Chris Ryan]

That stuff would kind of fade away. Yeah. I think now 60 is like idea.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Oh my God.

[Chris Ryan]

Now if they. They made the sequel, this like I've hit 60. One of my bets. Like, whoa, that's really high.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Right.

[Chris Ryan]

Great job. More rewatchable stuff.

[Salvatore Anthony]

The.

[Chris Ryan]

The arguing about everyone's dysfunctional childhood.

[Chris Vannini]

Yes.

[Chris Ryan]

Which includes Pacino saying, my father five foot arms like this. He had a cock like a Hebrew national.

[Chris Vannini]

I feel like that was a Pacino.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. He slipped that one in. Ad libbed it.

[Chris Vannini]

It's worth noting Dan Gilroy, Tony Gilroy's brother, wrote this, wrote this movie. But I think there was some improvisation.

[Chris Ryan]

The Armand Assante scene. I just like when it's like this super rich guy with this amazing. It's like the succession kind of like, here's our new character. And they just had the greatest house.

[Craig]

Right.

[Chris Ryan]

John Anthony hitting a million dollar over. Thanks to an intern I have that. Brandon goes into a gambling swoon. Nothing's ever 3 and 3, 4 and 4. It's always he's either 11 and oh or 1 and 11.

[Chris Vannini]

And it starts after he's asked Walter for to wet his beak a little bit.

[Chris Ryan]

Two more.

[Chris Vannini]

You're gonna have to rip it out of my talons.

[Chris Ryan]

My personal pick. Pacino. What do you want to know? I'm gambling again. The funniest scene in the movie. And then the ultimate bad beat. Atlanta 24, New York 20. The Hail Mary from the 30s somehow connecting. Which seems like that was an actual USFL play. And they lose. And it seems like everything's big. Did you have anything else?

[Salvatore Anthony]

For most rewatches, I had that scene to me, I could watch it 10 times. It's such a great device infiltrating the Gamblers Anonymous meeting.

[Craig]

Yeah.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Just. Just so good. And telling them they're all lemons. By the way, we should bring that word back.

[Chris Vannini]

Lemon. Somebody a lemon.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Lemon. Yeah, right. I'm of a person. Lemon of a pick. And just talking about you. You're a lemon. You can't. Then we've got great lines in that. And just then handing them his card like you suck as gamblers. It's not not an addiction. You suck personally. But if you want to lose more, here's my car.

[Chris Vannini]

Get my card. Yeah.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Beautiful.

[Chris Ryan]

What'd you have?

[Chris Vannini]

I had the first the sports advice John Anthony's first sports advisors broadcast with the psych system and then John Anthony.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, that I am on switching my pick. I think that's right. Those two. I mean this is why this movie is so rewatchable though. It has these multiple awesome scenes in it. All right, that was today's edition. The most rewatchable scene brought to you by PayPal from now through December 8th, you can get 20% cash back when you pay in 4 with PayPal. No fees, no interest, save the offer in the app. Now, whether it's a must have toy or a tiered cheese board, PayPal helps you make the most of your money this holiday. Expires12.8 See paypal.com promo terms subject to approval. Learn more at paypal.com payin4paypal inc.nmos910457 we're gonna take a break, do the rest of the categories. This episode is brought to you by Netflix. J. Kelly, the new film from Academy Award nominee Noah Baumbach. My Guy. George Clooney stars as an actor confronting his past and present on a journey of self discovery alongside Adam Sandler, My Guy as his devoted manager. Critics are calling it a declaration of love to the chaotic art of filmmaking, with the Wall Street Journal praising it as, quote, a transcendent comedy drama. J. Kelly is now playing in select theaters and on Netflix December 5th. This episode is brought to you by Subaru. For Subaru, the holiday season is a time to give back. That's why during the 2025 Subaru Share the Love event, from November 20 to January 2, Subaru and its retailers will donate at least $300 to charities nationwide for every new car sold or leased. They've supported over 2,700 local causes and by year's end, donations will reach $350 million. Learn more at subaru.com Share Sal, what was the most 2005 thing about this movie for you?

[Salvatore Anthony]

There's a lot. There's a lot. No. Boo. No. No. But still popular. The fax machines, the fact that they allude to the Internet. The Internet's coming. You know, this is kind of thing. What else do we want to do?

[Chris Ryan]

Those Sports Advisor shows exist. Feels like those are dead now.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah, for sure.

[Chris Vannini]

John Anthony, when he's first doing his his first recordings I think it's the one after pumping iron. He goes, he gets onto the phone and he says, it's a Scud attack this weekend. Desert Storm era joke. There's also a casual. This guy would never be president Donald Trump joke about his hair.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Chris Vannini]

And yes.

[Salvatore Anthony]

I wonder if that was a USFL dig. I wonder if he wonder.

[Craig]

Yeah, yeah.

[Salvatore Anthony]

He gave him trouble even getting rights to those or something like that.

[Chris Vannini]

Possible.

[Craig]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Trump thing.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah. And then just sports betting still being illegal in most states.

[Craig]

Needing four TVs to watch four games.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Craig]

Kind of the OG quad box.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah. How about four TVs to watch one game? At one point, they. Right. They just had the one game.

[Chris Vannini]

When did NFL, like, when did NFL league pass come into being? When did you.

[Chris Ryan]

Late 90s. I added, like 2000, basically.

[Salvatore Anthony]

I think the headsets. The telemarketer headsets that are the size of.

[Chris Vannini]

Yes.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Specialized football helmets.

[Chris Ryan]

Now I have two extras. The Paw Tagubu commissioner back then ban commercials from the movie for the first week at NFL games. They wouldn't let them advertise on the NFL games.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Oh, interesting.

[Chris Ryan]

Now they'd be like, freaking.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah, let's.

[Chris Vannini]

Let's have McConaughey and Pacino and the Jerry Jones.

[Chris Ryan]

I need to wet my beak.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah, right, right.

[Chris Ryan]

This is my favorite, though, the third iPad. I don't have a third one. This is it. Pacino's telling Russo what he wants to do with John Anthony. And he goes, I'm gonna do this whole.com thing around him.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Right.

[Chris Ryan]

I think that's the last time anyone said dot com. That was it in a movie. It ended right there. Because at that point, dot com's, like, pretty popular.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Right.

[Chris Vannini]

Here's one thing. I. I looked it up a little bit and got somewhat of a better picture. But I wanted to ask you guys, because I feel like you probably. What is John Anthony's or Brandon's job when he's working in the cubicle? Like the talk to text 900 number thing?

[Chris Ryan]

It's some sort of 900 seemingly multimedia company in Vegas where you could do gambling or sex or all kinds of.

[Chris Vannini]

Things, and he's trying to get people to call Jessica Simpson's, like, hotline.

[Chris Ryan]

That sounded great, by the way. I would have loved that.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Is that because I have a lot of friends out of work? Is that still a thing? I would love to hook them up. Jessica Simpson trivia or whatever's going on.

[Chris Vannini]

Hey, I took my job. So now I host the 900 number by Jessica Simpson.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. Would you tell People. You had that job back then. I can't remember.

[Chris Vannini]

I think if I was like. If I looked like Matthew McConaughey, I'd probably be like, yeah, I'm just doing a 900.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Great.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. All right. What's aged the best? Hold on. See this new iPad I'm not using as well. So Al Pacino's character being based on Stu Finer.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Right.

[Chris Ryan]

It's just gonna age great every year for the rest of my life.

[Chris Vannini]

And now Finer's on the barstool show, still kicking around.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah, yeah, same.

[Chris Ryan]

Wait, is he still. How's he doing?

[Salvatore Anthony]

Oh, he's doing great. 100 last week, but then. Oh, and 10. It was weird.

[Chris Ryan]

I have a bunch of wood. Stage. Give me your best one.

[Chris Vannini]

I mean, like I said before, bringing a character into New York City for the first time, it's always got like, a little bit of, like, a Wizard of Oz thing. I really think Pacino's line, you shut your fucking toilet when I'm talking to her. Nobody. I've never heard somebody describe another person's mouth as a toilet. I really like that. Walter's take on family dysfunction and winged foot is still really hard to play, apparently.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

You have.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Anyway, McConaughey's pecs, I think.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, right.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Pretty good.

[Chris Ryan]

Look great.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Piven's pettiness.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Right. That's never gonna really. How does that move? And just the pep talks of overall, Pacino.

[Chris Vannini]

I also think that they nailed the Russo care casting, where it's, like, believable that she's with Walter, but believable that.

[Chris Ryan]

She'S the right age where she can kind of go between both of them.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Is she. That was the director's wife.

[Chris Vannini]

Screenwriter.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Screenwriter's wife.

[Chris Ryan]

Who was the director? Dj.

[Chris Vannini]

DJ Caruso, probably.

[Chris Ryan]

You should have mentioned that at the time.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah, he did Eagle Eye and a bunch of other.

[Chris Ryan]

His movies definitely have a certain feel to them, but which I think work for this. I had for what stage? The best. It's the struggling hairline super bowl between Pacino, McConaughey, and Piven.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Wow.

[Chris Ryan]

Just three guys that had a lot of issues over the years.

[Chris Vannini]

Cheeto has a very, very, very straight hairline that. An unrealistically straight hairline.

[Craig]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

This is right when the wheels really came off for it. Piven playing basically Jerry Sykes as Ari from Entourage, but working for a 900 hotline.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

I think he had just finished filming an Entourage season. He's like, should I change these characters at all? Fuck it. No, he's just Ari, by the way.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Ari Gold would have been a better name for anything gold. Anything money, anything whatever. For a tout service guy.

[Chris Ryan]

You know, that's Craig's favorite show. Is it Entourage?

[Salvatore Anthony]

Entourage, One of them.

[Craig]

It's up there, right? Good for you.

[Chris Ryan]

Did you feel like this was Ari?

[Craig]

Yeah, exactly the same. I wish he was in a movie. Like, I wish he just played Ari in a movie every year for like the whole run of the show.

[Chris Ryan]

I think he would at this point. Yeah, I think that might be.

[Salvatore Anthony]

But then you don't see his range. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

CR this is one of my favorites. Can't believe you didn't mention it. Slicking back your hair as a movie. Identity change. Yes.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Oh, yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

What's better?

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah. Where it's like, who's this guy coming out of the dressing room?

[Chris Ryan]

I'll never forget when that Miami Vice Season 5, when Crockett got amnesia became a bad guy and they fucking went right back. It's always either you're becoming a bad guy or you're becoming dangerous.

[Chris Vannini]

The last episode before Netflix is when we're truly just like, what else we got?

[Chris Ryan]

I might. When we go to Netflix, I might just slick my hair back. I might just do it. I might do the McConaughey, grow it out in the back, do a little ponytail.

[Salvatore Anthony]

That's why you got the Seagal. That's how you're going to get the double digits with him.

[Chris Ryan]

I want to mention for what's age, the best and nine other categories. That guy from, I think Mystic River, Kevin Chapman.

[Chris Vannini]

Oh, yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

One of the great that guys who's now Kevin Chapman. You've seen him in a million stuff. Dickie Barrett's friend who he used to bring to Kimmel show.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Right, right, right.

[Chris Ryan]

This is my friend Kevin. He's an.

[Chris Vannini]

Right.

[Chris Ryan]

And this guy was like Massachusetts guy. His character in this movie is named Southy.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Awesome.

[Craig]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Just tremendous. They didn't even want to give him, like, calm Sully address him. And then. I really like the parody portion of this, but I do. Maybe this is a wood stage. The worst. I just think Pippin should have been in front of a green screen doing this psych system. I can't believe they didn't do that.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Let's go to Jerry Sykes. He's in Las Vegas. Jerry, what's going on there?

[Chris Vannini]

Or like, Jerry Sykes is in his math laboratory where he's cooking up more guys.

[Chris Ryan]

I went to mit. I have six of the best engineers. Bikuna burger where best use of food or drink was ripped through these quickly. Probably the thousand dollar bottle of wine.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Vannini]

I also just like. I think there's multiple Smith and Wolinsky references in this movie.

[Salvatore Anthony]

I like Pacino cleaning up whatever dessert that was. It makes me think, oh, what was that? Yeah, whatever that was, that looked great. Good for that.

[Chris Ryan]

This is a wonderful creme brulee. I'm trying to redeem my Pacino after I started out as Collinsworth.

[Chris Vannini]

Oh, my.

[Chris Ryan]

This, like, this brain didn't last.

[Chris Vannini]

It was an abortion. Michael.

[Chris Ryan]

What'd you have for. Great chat, Gordo Chris, you know, I.

[Chris Vannini]

Wouldn'T say that this is the most cinematically mind blowing, but I did really like the introduction of Walter's character to Brandon is just his hand hanging out the window with a cigarette. And it's also like foreshadowing of how Walter's always watching. We haven't really talked about the fact that, like, midway through this movie just turns into kind of a thriller where Walter is like, puppeteering Brandon's whole life and every sexual interaction he's had. Walter is paid for and he's setting him up with his wife and. And all this stuff. But that's a great little character flair thing.

[Chris Ryan]

Kid Cudi. Pursuit of Happiness Aware for best needle drop. This movie has good music, including Pusher man from Curtis Mayfield.

[Chris Vannini]

I like that.

[Chris Ryan]

It's not unusual for Tom Jones, but Tom Jones but the winner. The Monday Night Football theme in a movie just brings me so much joy. And they really put. They really go for it. It's like. I don't know if they paid or ripped it, but I loved hearing it. It.

[Salvatore Anthony]

It's awesome. Against my wife's better judgment, we came out on our wedding night to the Fox pregame show. Did you.

[Chris Ryan]

Did you really?

[Salvatore Anthony]

I was mad when it ended.

[Craig]

Yeah.

[Salvatore Anthony]

I got away with it.

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, that's amazing.

[Salvatore Anthony]

We didn't even clear it. It was good.

[Chris Ryan]

Did Jimmy go on a run when he was doing Fox? Didn't he go on a run with. With upset picks?

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah, but it. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Was when you.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Everything was straight up then you couldn't pick by the spread. You probably can't. They don't even do it now. Right?

[Chris Ryan]

Really.

[Salvatore Anthony]

But yeah, we had. We were 403 weeks in a row there. I like for cinematic. If I could jump back when I feel like when he was making out with her on the steps and you know, Pacino's watching, there's that shot. You could add any music to that. You could add Righteous Brothers, Third Eye Blind. Doesn't matter. I thought that was nice.

[Chris Ryan]

Chess. Rockwell Brocklander's. Award for best character name. Is it John Anthony?

[Chris Vannini]

I think so.

[Craig]

Yeah.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Okay. What do you have for a flex category? Cr.

[Chris Vannini]

I mean it's, it's. I'm sorry to be predictable, but the Sean Penn. I brought my own pack. Excellence in onscreen smoking goes to Pacino. Yeah, especially because he's smoking through multiple heart attacks.

[Chris Ryan]

I was going to say like if we had had this category for all the Pacino movies, he would have won each time. It would have been like when Wayne Gretzky was just winning the Art Ross memorial trophy year after year. Amazing hall of fame first ballot smoker. I agree. Butch's girlfriend award for weak link of the film.

[Chris Vannini]

I like Armand Sante as an actor but it's a strange character to introduce. Make into a huge threat and then just kind of abandon.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Vannini]

So the whole Novian thing kind of.

[Chris Ryan]

Like pees on him and then we kind of never see him again. He's like, oh no, he peed on him.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Vannini]

And he's like, I know where your family lives. And it's like. Well, right, okay, so then what happens next? Like is he. Are you always in hock to this guy?

[Salvatore Anthony]

Right.

[Chris Vannini]

Because he just lost him like $8 million. Right?

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Salvatore Anthony]

That was a weird way to wrap him up. Like is he teaching him a lesson? Is he a gangster? Is he this.

[Chris Vannini]

He's the bad guy and then Walter becomes the bad guy like 10 minutes later.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Right, Exactly.

[Chris Ryan]

Do you think it's a better ending if they win the big game at the end? He's in the airport, he's starting to walk away and then he just gets shot in the head.

[Chris Vannini]

Definitely a better movie.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, it's just like peed on from the top and the guy pees on him after he shoots him.

[Salvatore Anthony]

I had, I had the seven year old daughter. She sucked every line. Forced. What was she doing? Trying to steal the scenes? No, I have to say Piven and then really not the him but the character I think, I don't think they knew what to do with him. They did. It was just kind of lazy entourage thing. He should have sabotaged him. Right? Isn't this, isn't there a sabotage thing where he pours bleach into.

[Chris Vannini]

That would have been a great, a great like antagonist for the movie if they.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah, he was like kind of down the middle. Like this is his send off.

[Chris Vannini]

I think the idea is that Walter runs hot and cold with people and that. So like.

[Chris Ryan]

Right.

[Chris Vannini]

Even the chauffeur in the beginning of the movie is like, I've only walked for him for two weeks. You know, like, everybody seems to come in and out of his orbit, but.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. But then you need the talented Mr. Ripley Marge scene where she's like, when Dicky. When he wants to be with you, it's like the sun shines on you. And when he finds someone else.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Right, Right.

[Chris Ryan]

The weather becomes cold. We didn't have that scene.

[Craig]

Sykes should have started to take the opposite of Brandon's picks. That would have been the move.

[Chris Vannini]

That's. I mean, Walter says that at one point, like, why don't you just make your picks? And then we'll bet the opposite.

[Craig]

That should have been Sykes play.

[Chris Ryan]

Can I tell you what I think happened? I think Piven had, like, a week between Entourage and Entourage season two. Sure. They're like, we got Jeremy's red hot right now. We only have him on the set for four days.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

We got to figure out some reason for him to leave the movie with a half hour to go, and that was that. I agree with you. He should have been a bigger part of this movie. My weak link. I just don't like the ending with the winning the big game, saving the business. Basically, John Anthony wins his one last pick, but at the same time, we have this Renee Russo trying to save her marriage thing interspersed with the game. And I'm like, I just care about the game. There's a comeback going on right now.

[Craig]

Right.

[Chris Ryan]

Tampa's coming back or Kansas City, whoever it was. I just want to know what's happening here. And she's like. Then it's like back to. I just.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Do they try to do a rocky thing there where you're trying to listen for the results, the decision, but also, you have to catch their embrace and everything, and you have to.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Zigzag through.

[Chris Ryan]

That just didn't work.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

What stage is the worst?

[Chris Vannini]

I think guys having heart attacks at.

[Chris Ryan]

Work and taking pills, and then they're fine.

[Chris Vannini]

I've been successfully medicated out of. Out of existence.

[Craig]

Right.

[Chris Vannini]

Like, have you ever seen a guy have a minor cardiac event but just take uphill and be like, oh, oh, that was a big one.

[Chris Ryan]

Other than my dad, that's gonna be me.

[Salvatore Anthony]

I'm hoping. I'm telling you it's cool.

[Craig]

Also, before the pill even reaches your stomach, it appears to have worked.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah. It's just like.

[Craig]

It's like, almost a placebo effect on.

[Chris Vannini]

Putting it in your mouth. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

I have this era of sports gambling as a wood stage. Worst just because it's gone.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Like, I'm saying it literally hasn't aged well because it's a completely different era of gambling now. This was the era of having a bookie 900 lines over the top advisor shows nothing being policed. You could fix games. Like this era is like from seven centuries ago now compared to where we are in 2020.

[Salvatore Anthony]

And they lied.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah.

[Salvatore Anthony]

There's not $200 million going through that office. There just isn't. Like I just. They made it like it was a. A tech startup.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah. I think that we're supposed to intuit that Walter's been lying about all that stuff because he's got so many mortgages out and loan shark notes and stuff.

[Craig]

How are they?

[Chris Ryan]

Well, at one point they win one of those bets and the lady has all this money and she's counting the money. It's like what do people drop the bets off?

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Why do you have all the extra money now?

[Salvatore Anthony]

So that's how they do it. You're on a subscription for a year or you do it week to week or you do a $25 call, you don't get a piece of their bet. Imagine trying to track down someone's bet too. Like that was just. You didn't need that part of it.

[Chris Ryan]

People not realizing back then that John Anthony was Brandon. Language. So I guess this hinges on how famous Brandon Lang was. If he was like Johnny Manziel level, like a real famous QB or even Shane Footsteps Falco, I think people would be like, yo, Brandon Lang's on that fucking Sunday Sports Advisor show. This is crazy.

[Chris Vannini]

I think he's supposed to be what, the quarterback for Nevada. Right.

[Chris Ryan]

So you think it's a lower level ball.

[Chris Vannini]

It's like a mid December 2000s. I did not know who the quarterback.

[Chris Ryan]

To Nevada south definitely bet on that game.

[Salvatore Anthony]

But his name is Link, right? It's Brandon Link. Link the. But the real.

[Chris Ryan]

The movie, it's Brandon Link.

[Chris Vannini]

The real guy is Link.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yes.

[Chris Vannini]

Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, I didn't. There's a whole based on a true story thing with the real Brandon. But that guy has been debunked in so many different ways. I don't even know if you want to give him the space. I know this is the ultimate. This is based on a true story.

[Craig]

Right.

[Chris Ryan]

I don't know how true a lot.

[Chris Vannini]

Of the story is the screen. Like the screenwriter Dan Gilroy like met him once at a golf course. Right. That was like kind of like the. Where the genesis came from. Okay.

[Craig]

Yeah.

[Salvatore Anthony]

You know, Dan Pastorini is the only ex athlete back then. I think that I Knew that. Did that. Right. Remember the.

[Chris Vannini]

It was.

[Salvatore Anthony]

It was. It Oilers quarterback, Rams also. Pastorini got it. He would do these. He was a tout. He was like on a 900.

[Craig]

Really.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah. Yeah. So other than that, though, these guys stayed away from that stuff.

[Chris Ryan]

Here's the big wood stage. The worst for me, I just don't. I wrote this 20 years ago. I still don't understand it now, how we ended up with this title. Title, which I know is a rewatch most character. I don't know what Two for the Money means. What does it mean? Does it mean a parlay? Two for the money? What do you think it means?

[Craig]

These two guys are in business together.

[Salvatore Anthony]

I think that's it.

[Chris Ryan]

Two people for the money.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah.

[Craig]

Right.

[Chris Vannini]

Isn't it one for the show, two for the money? Three kind of. Isn't that like a money.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Two for the. Yeah, Two for the show, three to get ready.

[Chris Ryan]

In the column I had the titles. Chasing the Vague Hot Streak and Laying Wood.

[Chris Vannini]

Even Money Lying.

[Salvatore Anthony]

That's good. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Money line is good.

[Salvatore Anthony]

The Spray Money Grab.

[Chris Ryan]

Money Line Parlay Kids. Yeah. Two for the Money is. Just. Doesn't work.

[Chris Vannini]

Being John Anthony.

[Chris Ryan]

We definitely could have found a different title. All right. The CR Thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. Hottest Take award. When we come up with a hot take, what do you have?

[Chris Vannini]

CR it's not that hot. They should remake this movie as a period piece. I think the problem with this movie is that it doesn't imagine a different world.

[Salvatore Anthony]

World.

[Chris Vannini]

A world where gambling becomes legal. A world where we have it all on our phones and stuff like that. And if you went back and did it as like, this is what the wild west of sports gambling was before it became legal, I think that you would get a lot of the details.

[Chris Ryan]

Prestige tv plus.

[Chris Vannini]

Also, I wonder if at this point the NFL would be like, sure, go ahead, use Marvin Harrison in this. And you could have like real games that people were betting on, which probably would have grounded it more for people.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Oh, I think fanduel would have been all over it. I think we would have used real uniforms and real everything. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[Chris Vannini]

So I would either go back and be like, back in the day, they were the. They were like the cowboys on the range of sports gambling, like selling their picks and sometimes selling a dream that would never happen. And you could just do it in a different way. Whereas in the movie here, they're almost taking it for granted that we are like, yeah, of course. The sports advisors.

[Chris Ryan]

Right. Well, I have an announcement. We. We have Sold the movie rights to the Ringer 107. It's called Two Games Under 500 for the money.

[Craig]

It's called none for the money.

[Chris Ryan]

The real life story.

[Chris Vannini]

We lose more than we win.

[Chris Ryan]

Five. Five podcasts all going under 530.

[Chris Vannini]

So what is the expectation for Ringer 107? That one of you guys would be doing better than this?

[Craig]

Maybe two, three.

[Chris Ryan]

We thought somebody was going to be at like, you know, 60 winning Ringer 107 right now.

[Chris Vannini]

Personally or fantasy?

[Craig]

It's the fantasy show.

[Chris Vannini]

Who is the driver?

[Chris Ryan]

Is it a tide now?

[Craig]

Well, we're tied for first and our method is basically what Brandon Lang does at the end of the movie where we just. We're basically flipping coins.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chris Vannini]

It's up to ringer interns. And just like you pick honestly.

[Craig]

Yeah.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Two for no money. I don't understand that. Like, so, like, why did the intern gets to pick it? Right. So immediately he's a fraud because everybody knows this. But there. Everybody in the boiler room he's been. And then he loses 10 in a row after that. Like, why is everyone so connected to him still?

[Chris Vannini]

I think that it's the Pacino likes.

[Chris Ryan]

Him more after he goes.

[Salvatore Anthony]

More than winning. Right.

[Chris Ryan]

He's like.

[Chris Vannini]

You love that feeling. Yeah.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Interesting.

[Chris Ryan]

Do you have a hottest take or do you want me to go?

[Salvatore Anthony]

No, I. I do. I think James Baby Doll Dixon as Pacino right there.

[Chris Ryan]

As for the remake.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah, for the remake. Do it guy. Good luck with the buccaneers. Call me with 50 grand. Wire it to my subordinate, Jonah, or else go yourself.

[Chris Ryan]

Call me now. Smoking baby doesn't gamble.

[Salvatore Anthony]

I know, I know. Vince Vaughn was my other for, but that was it.

[Chris Ryan]

Listen, I wrote this in that column. I've said it a million times. I'll say it again. I just want one TV show or movie where the guy just wins the whole time and then the movie ends. I don't know why we have to have the. This is. I'm supposed to escape. When I watch a movie or a TV show, we always have to do the thing where it starts out great.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, my God. Rock bottom.

[Chris Vannini]

Three hours storytelling.

[Chris Ryan]

How about this one where the guy wins for two hours?

[Salvatore Anthony]

Pretty good. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Like, we have all these different shows where it's like we get to escape with. We get. We go on below deck. We get to have a vacation for a week on the yacht.

[Chris Vannini]

Happening on Landman with the sun for a minute where it was just like, I guess this guy's just gonna hit every oil well that he digs.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. True. Landman is our one hope. Yeah, I really miss that. I just. Slick back your hair, start getting winners, and that's it. Let me go for the ride with you. You. My God, you went 29 and 2. That was amazing. End credits. Now I'm rich.

[Salvatore Anthony]

End of movie. Maybe there's a sequel. Maybe not.

[Chris Ryan]

Casting what ifs not a lot here other than Russo's husband wrote the movie and. And wrote it for Russo Amino.

[Chris Vannini]

Right. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

There. Other than that, couldn't find anything. Best that Guy award. There's some great candidates here. Brandon Lang's dad in the beginning was one of the bad guys in Roadhouse. Yes. He's the one who's, like, having sex in a closet. One of the first people Swayze fires, ends up coming back is one of the bad guys. So he's.

[Chris Vannini]

Him and John Doe are in that scene.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Getty Watanabe is the chauffeur. He's not that guy. But you might remember him as from Sixteen Candles.

[Chris Vannini]

Yes.

[Chris Ryan]

And from Gung Ho.

[Chris Vannini]

For sure.

[Chris Ryan]

And then Ralph Garmin.

[Salvatore Anthony]

That's Ralph Garmin.

[Chris Ryan]

This was a big deal. This is. You knew. You knew Ralph Garmin.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Jimmy was still at Kroc. Ralph Garmin was the producer at Kroc. He would do voices. He was great. And this was a huge deal back then for him and Kevin and Bean shot.

[Chris Vannini]

Do you know anything about how he, like, wound up in this movie? Was he going out for acting roles?

[Salvatore Anthony]

Mostly voiceover stuff and, you know, talk to the right people. And no gambling issue or anything.

[Chris Vannini]

That's exactly.

[Salvatore Anthony]

I was jealous.

[Chris Ryan]

Else Dion Waiters, would you go Pivin or Chuck Adler?

[Chris Vannini]

So I have Piven, but I also have. And I can't remember this character's name. I think it might be Tanya, the woman who.

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, comes in for one scene.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah. Tammy, who slides down into McConaughey's lap.

[Salvatore Anthony]

And what?

[Chris Vannini]

Walter wanted you to have a good day.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. Where. Why didn't she come back for another scene?

[Chris Vannini]

But she certainly does a lot with her one scene.

[Chris Ryan]

Jamie King might be in there, too, as the prostitute.

[Chris Vannini]

Yes.

[Chris Ryan]

I think the winner is Chuck Adler. He's in for two minutes. Comes in out of control and. And hits it.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Stayed very focused. Didn't care about any of this other outside stuff between Piv and. It was good.

[Chris Ryan]

What do you have for recasting Couch Director City?

[Chris Vannini]

I have the. I have Brandon being played by Edward Norton. So there is a version of this movie that is much darker and is much more like a psychosexual thriller about an older guy who's trying to live vicariously through his young puppet.

[Chris Ryan]

So it's directed by Paul Verhoeven.

[Craig]

Yeah.

[Chris Vannini]

And it's like Michael Douglas and Edward Norton or something. And this winds up being like a much more entertaining movie. But there is, like, a lot of weird stuff going on in this movie with that. Like, even the idea of him turning him into John Anthony, which is kind of a porn name, and just being like, yeah, you're John Anthony now. Like, you're gonna go out with these hookers. It's so strange range.

[Chris Ryan]

I'm gonna sit in a chair while you have sex with my wife. John Anthony.

[Salvatore Anthony]

See, I had something. Maybe this is a little off the grid. Tracy Morgan doing McConaughey's character. Guess what? I did Pacino. I got your wife pregnant again. I don't know if they're ready.

[Chris Ryan]

That's a good one. All right, we'll take a break, then we'll do Craig's Flex. This episode is brought to you by Salty Cheesy, Cheez It Crackers. Should this whole podcast just be me eating Cheez It? That would be a top notch podcast. You could hear them crunching in my mouth. You could think about how salty and savory and delicious they are. You could just get Cheez it on the brain. Oh, man, those Cheez it cravings, they get you anyway. What was I talking about? Oh, yeah. Oh, Cheez It. Yeah, Cheez It Crackers. Go check. This episode is brought to you by Boar's Head. You know one of the best parts of football season. Getting together with friends and family to watch a game and the tasty food. And guys, if Boar's Head isn't on your home gaining menu, you're fumbling big time. They'll help you serve the perfect game day spread. Premium meats, cheeses, dips, and more. Trust me, nothing better than a boar's head sandwich. During halftime, throw in their blazing buffalo chicken dip. Delicious. And you may even score an extra point or two. Elevate your game day entertaining with Boar's Head. Visit your local Boar's Head deli for platter options. Boar's Head, committed to craft since 1905, this episode is brought to you by Mobile One. Mobile One's synthetic motor oil knows your car is your happy place. But did you know your happy place has a happy place? It's not stuck in rush hour traffic. We've all been there, especially in la. It's always terrible. And the entire time you're sitting there, you know deep down that your Car's favorite place is on the open road singing its favorite song while you sing along to yours. Mobile One for the love of driving, visit LoveOfDriving us to learn more. Craig, did we take up your flex?

[Craig]

No, not really. I wanted to point out. So we have the 4chan 3clap award for the most gifable moment. I think Pacino is the actor. Gif goat. I think you have heat. You have the great ass. That's a big meme out there. You have Godfather 3 pull me back in is a huge one. You have the once upon a time in Hollywood.

[Salvatore Anthony]

What a picture.

[Craig]

How the hell is I'm gambling again? Not a gif or a meme. That might be his best one ever. That's kind of fun.

[Chris Vannini]

Again. That every time somebody's team starts doing well again, you're just like, I'm back in.

[Craig]

I can't believe it's not a thing.

[Chris Ryan]

Maybe this podcast will.

[Craig]

We have to start it.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah, it's one of Pacino's best episodes.

[Chris Ryan]

So what award would that be?

[Craig]

It's the most gifable moment.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, that's pretty good.

[Chris Vannini]

Or it's book about medals. Yeah.

[Craig]

Or book about medals.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, that's pretty good. Did we have in my mailbag last week I was saying how we were going to add the. The Nico Harrison award for worst decision. Was there a worst decision in this movie?

[Craig]

I mean, letting the intern pick the game. But I guess that worked.

[Chris Vannini]

Also Brandon never betting his own bets.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah, of course. That's it.

[Craig]

I got to him in the bathroom right before he goes live.

[Chris Vannini]

Panic attack.

[Craig]

Papers fucking everywhere. Most stressful I've ever seen in my life. He's drenched in sweat. Like in the sink. They're all wet. All of his data. Oh, my God.

[Chris Ryan]

I have the Nico Harrison award winner just quitting Jon Jerry Sykes. Sykes system had a couple rough weeks. Like there were 42 variables. And I wouldn't have quit on it. I really put some time in the.

[Chris Vannini]

Game with the stats, how Sykes did for the rest of the season and where he winds up.

[Salvatore Anthony]

He hung his own shingle. He had to.

[Chris Vannini]

Do you think he's like working for the Rockets? You know, like, what is he doing it?

[Chris Ryan]

I think he had like a cup of coffee on the best damn sports show, period. Got fired from there. Maybe like a another cup of coffee at Yahoo.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Right?

[Chris Ryan]

And then.

[Chris Vannini]

And then. But does he wind up doing like the analytics for like the Buffalo Sabers or something like that? Like, does he. Does he wind up ever getting into advanced statistics?

[Chris Ryan]

Like Sloan conference I think he's one of the guys that goes to the Sloan Conference and hopes he can run into somebody who works for a team. And it never happens.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Just looking past everyone, one half ass.

[Chris Ryan]

Research the USFL footage, all real, all from the mid-80s. Teams that were in there, the Bandits from Tampa Bay, Boston Breakers, Portland Breakers, Houston Gamblers and the New Orleans team.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Those guys get paid. Do they get $500?

[Chris Ryan]

They get residuals maybe. And then the phone number featured on Walter show was 1-800-bet-on it. That was an actual sports advice service.

[Craig]

Right.

[Chris Ryan]

All right. Apex Mountain, all three stars. No Jamie King, maybe. I don't know. Know what else she was. And she had a moment. This was like some era. Yeah, right.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

For movies. I don't remember her being in a bigger one. Sports gambling movies. Probably still the gambler.

[Chris Vannini]

She was in White Chicks. That might have been bigger. Yeah. And Pearl Harbor.

[Chris Ryan]

So Pearl harbor was there. Probably Sports gambling movies. The Gambler, James, Connecticut or the Gambler with Mark Wahlberg.

[Chris Vannini]

Can we give us both?

[Chris Ryan]

Or is it I'm gambling again? Getting peed on in Central Park.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah, Getting pissed on by a gangster in Central Park.

[Chris Ryan]

1900 lines in a movie.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Sal, what about it?

[Chris Ryan]

Did we have a better.

[Chris Vannini]

When is there. I mean, was Whoopi Goldberg. Did she have a 900 number in Ghost?

[Salvatore Anthony]

No.

[Chris Ryan]

Reality Bites. It was a big part of Reality bites for like 15 minutes.

[Salvatore Anthony]

I think this might have been a.

[Chris Ryan]

Lot of 900 stuff.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

What was. What 900 number did you call the most?

[Salvatore Anthony]

Well, my father at his business pay for his phone. He would work from home like once a week. And it was. It was huge that they paid for the phone. And I would call like Georgia Championship Wrestling. I would call like Titan Sports. I remember talking to Lord Alfred Hayes. And then I would call 976-1313 to get sports. All the sports news instantly. And then there was some 976 numbers that I'm not proud of.

[Chris Ryan]

When I was working at the Herald, one of the grunt jobs for, like the lowest level people, which obviously I had, was answering the phones. And a lot of the times it was people calling in high school games. So be like, situate 42 Swamp Scott 24. Like, all right, thanks. But then some people would call in and asking for, like, scores for NBA games.

[Chris Vannini]

Would you give them to too?

[Chris Ryan]

Sometimes, yeah.

[Chris Vannini]

Richard charting.

[Chris Ryan]

Hey, do you have a Nick Sixes score? And be like, yeah, yeah, they won 108. 100. All right, thank you. And then hang up.

[Chris Vannini]

You know what, though? That sounds like A pretty good job.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, it was. It wasn't bad.

[Salvatore Anthony]

I would call. I would call the Daily News, the front desk, the. The sports desk. And because, like, you know, when we did fantasy, I would run these fantasy leagues, and if there was a Monday night game, you wouldn't get it until Wednesday. And so a buddy and I were in a close game. I want to know Tuesday. So I'd call him like, hey, hey, can you tell me, Mark Duper, how many receiving yards and like four receptions? 77 yards. I'm busy, kid. I'm like, okay, whoa, whoa, whoa. Can you just tell me if he ran the ball? Did he run the ball too? It's like, I'm not then. And they'd hang up instantly.

[Chris Ryan]

So we had to explain this to Craig, who hosts the biggest fans, where.

[Chris Vannini]

People would just call the newspaper. Like people used to call my dad's office at the Inquirer or my dad's desk and be like, what time is Phantom Menace playing at the Chestnut street movie theater? And he would sometimes be like, three.

[Chris Ryan]

You know, like, you didn't have a lot going on. So you'd be like, all right, I'll answer this. So on the east coast USA Today, the Monday edition or the Tuesday edition, most of the time wouldn't have the Monday score. So you'd have these fantasy leagues hanging in the balance, and we'd have no idea what the box score was until Wednesday. And then somebody would have to then finish the scores and either call us and tell you the scores or mail them out, but you'd have to wait till the Wednesday USA Today to even know what happened on Monday.

[Craig]

That's pass waivers. How does that even work?

[Chris Vannini]

Well, they didn't have waivers back then.

[Salvatore Anthony]

You're right. There were no waivers.

[Chris Vannini]

A little bit easier.

[Chris Ryan]

We only had trades.

[Craig]

Should we start the fantasy advisors now and we just advise rich people's fantasy leagues and we take 20% of their winning good.

[Chris Vannini]

You're basically talking about here is go back to like, blind fantasy. So, like, it's fantasy with no stats, no immediate statistics. So it's just faith in your team.

[Craig]

It's kind of odd.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah. And you don't find out until Tuesday whether.

[Craig]

I mean, we drafted our fantasy league with no technology. Maybe they're. That's what we do next year.

[Salvatore Anthony]

CH was fine.

[Chris Ryan]

I gotta be honest. I'd be much happier if I didn't know until Wednesday I. We in the. Our knockout league. I was going against Wand Robinson yesterday, who immediately had like 18 points. And I was so bummed out. And it was like 1001 09.

[Chris Vannini]

I just missed the idea of, like, not immediately, like, declining any phone number. I don't know, you know, like. Which is what you do now, but, like, it would be just be fun if, like, somebody was just calling you and be like, hey, what's. What's that? Dolphin squad.

[Craig]

Well, I actually kind of hate checking my fantasy score throughout Sunday. I almost wish I couldn't, you know, when you.

[Chris Ryan]

That's what I mean.

[Chris Vannini]

That's what I'm saying is let's go analog.

[Craig]

It's kind of nice now.

[Salvatore Anthony]

You get alerts that you don't even want.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. More Apex Mountain movies that play you're nobody till Somebody Loves you, the Dean Martin song. I think it's probably swingers for this.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

But it's been in a few piven. I think you could make a case. Apex right here. It's between Entourage season one and season two. He's in this movie. The career's taken off. I think it, like. He's a big thing in Hollywood. I think it's probably.

[Craig]

He won Emmys, right, for Ari Gold?

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Salvatore Anthony]

He's done hair restoration commercials, like, in the last three years.

[Chris Ryan]

Movies with USFL footage. Spent a lot of them.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

This probably leaned on the most. This is my favorite for a pick. Mountain movies with Pacino as a cuck. Still heat, right? Right.

[Chris Vannini]

Oh, yeah. Because he comes home and he finds a guy watching tv.

[Craig]

Is it.

[Chris Vannini]

Is it Roy?

[Chris Ryan]

No, no.

[Chris Vannini]

What's Dan.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Hold on. It's not Donnie Brasco. That's close.

[Chris Ryan]

Is he cucking Danny Brasco?

[Salvatore Anthony]

I mean, just like.

[Chris Ryan]

You're not getting my tv.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Walter. Was this the guy's name? Walter? And he heat.

[Chris Vannini]

Ralph.

[Chris Ryan]

Ralph, right.

[Chris Vannini]

Ralph. You cannot watch my television.

[Chris Ryan]

Cruiser Hanks. It's obviously.

[Chris Vannini]

Oh, wait, I had one more Apex mount.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, what is it?

[Chris Vannini]

I'm sorry. Is Brandon Lang. Apex Mountain for fictional football players plagued by injuries. So an injury derails a fictional football player's career. We could be Jason Straight. Street.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Jason Street.

[Chris Vannini]

Johnny Utah.

[Chris Ryan]

I was. I had Utah when you posited the question.

[Chris Vannini]

Joe Pendleton. Jimmy Dicks. Paul Crew. Kind of more of like, got.

[Chris Ryan]

Jimmy Dicks was last boy scout. What was his injury?

[Chris Vannini]

He just. His pills and I think. Yeah, a bunch of other stuff, isn't it?

[Chris Ryan]

Johnny Utah. I guess he seemed like he was headed to be like, a top 10, right? He's top 10 draft.

[Chris Vannini]

He played for Ohio.

[Chris Ryan]

He was surfers. Yeah. All the surfers recognized him. Like, he seemed like he was like legit famous.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Vannini]

That's like when they're like holy Johnny Utah, my bad man.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Jason street though was top all American.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Jay would have been like a dib one. I mean Johnny Utah did it right. Johnny Utah was already where Jason Street.

[Chris Vannini]

I had no idea what Johnny Utah was as a prospect coming out of high school. That's all I'm saying. Jason Street.

[Salvatore Anthony]

What's the matter with you?

[Chris Vannini]

Was going straight like that was like he was going to Notre Dame and know.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. Maybe don't throw that pick and then try to tackle the guy. Dumbass cruiser Hanks. This is the most Cruisy Cruise performance in a while. I'm trying to figure out where would he have run in this movie. Like away from our Manasante.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah. Running through the Central Park. Running through Central park or running to get out of like running through the airport at some point.

[Craig]

A Brooklyn Bridge run would have been cool.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah.

[Craig]

Yeah, they were right.

[Chris Ryan]

Oh, McConaughey does jog in this movie a couple times. Cruz would have loved that.

[Chris Vannini]

A lot of mountain biking.

[Chris Ryan]

Cruz is getting trained in jogging by Steve Prefontaine's uncle.

[Salvatore Anthony]

He could have jogged around the hookers table maybe a few times. Yeah. Before he settled.

[Chris Ryan]

Scorsese or Spielberg. This one's pretty easy. This is a pretty interesting Scorsese movie.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played?

[Chris Vannini]

A. A different version of the Armand Desante character? Novian.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah. You could talk me into Walter too.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Older Philip. One of those guys picking nits. I have a slew of them. So if you guys want to go, I'll save mine for the end. What do you got? S?

[Salvatore Anthony]

I mean the over under on The Super Bowl's 36.

[Chris Ryan]

So I looked this up. There were four that were lower than that, including our favorite Super Bowl. Ravens, Giants.

[Salvatore Anthony]

4.

[Chris Ryan]

33.

[Salvatore Anthony]

What?

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Chris Vannini]

Really?

[Salvatore Anthony]

33. Yeah, I looked it up from 2005 on. The lowest was 43.

[Chris Ryan]

But that football changed. 2005 on.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Well, that 04 was yours. I think it was like 35, 36. But I think they could have made that a little.

[Chris Ryan]

Did jump out at me though.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah, a lot. The other thing is the one trend they use is like Kansas City is six and one against division opponents coming off a Monday night. It's like whatever it was, it would have spanned the decade. I don't know why anybody would have fallen for that. But yeah, just a little. A million little things like that.

[Chris Vannini]

Walter just spends a tremendous amount of time and money surveilling Brad Brandon and like maybe he should have just concentrated more on.

[Chris Ryan]

On the picks.

[Chris Vannini]

On the picks.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, I had that as well. Walter who doesn't seem to own anything and was going bankrupt but was able to spend 5k on a hooker and another 2k on dinner to give Brandon more confidence.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

And then played quarterback in college. He's fine.

[Chris Vannini]

Renting an elephant, buying a camcorder, suits.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Vannini]

Cartier.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, yeah. He's just got money that didn't end up in.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Be there one more.

[Craig]

Sorry.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah okay, bear with me here because there's a lot of crazy shit but there's one great pick, right? He's got one great pick in him a week and he goes to. He's going to Puerto Rico. He's going to give it to that guy because that guy's going to give him however what he wants.

[Chris Vannini]

250K. He wants 250k and then what is it? 10% of his winnings, right?

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah. Why? What is the point of giving him 250,000 if the thousand dollar play play players getting the same pick.

[Chris Vannini]

Right.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Just find that guy, put him on the street, have him call Brandon and that's that. I don't know. Right.

[Chris Ryan]

I do like should we start doing pick of the years House and I did that once when we weren't doing well in Ringer 107 we had a game was our favorite game of the year. We went all in on it. We're like this is our game and it actually won.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah but you should do it for like Hornets, Pistons. This is my NBA central division.

[Chris Ryan]

Catch up with Kippo. I've run my psych system but they.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Do they fraction it. It's afternoon game in the central division of the year, you know.

[Craig]

Yeah.

[Chris Vannini]

You could. You can end up having a thousand knit slash question. I think they mentioned baseball briefly but like what do these guys do for the other six months of the year? Are they betting basketball?

[Chris Ryan]

There's no basketball at all.

[Chris Vannini]

Are they betting Dodgers games? Like yeah, yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

They're doing this in October. The World Series is happening. There's no college football or there is but they don't really talk about it every.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Right.

[Chris Vannini]

Well Brandon comes from college football.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Chris Vannini]

But then like he's. I think he bet college football for a while before he goes but I just don't understand like after February do these guys just go to Barbados and like hang out until. Until training camp?

[Salvatore Anthony]

No, it's the same. This is actually big for soccer picks too and like.

[Chris Vannini]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Was the gambling advisor. He would have been like there's not nearly enough tennis right now. November is huge in Asia. Yeah, there's a lot of satellite tournaments. My picking nits include Brandon's TD run in college when he gets hurt at the end when he does the spin move. Yeah, it's amazing. Block in the back, doesn't get called. One of the linemen watch it again.

[Chris Vannini]

Like it's just Mountain West.

[Chris Ryan]

Can't believe they missed it mid.

[Chris Vannini]

Mid aughts.

[Chris Ryan]

You know, mentioned his reasons for liking Tampa over Oakland at the sports book where basically Brown only likes to catch the ball over his left shoulder. And Gannon will throw three to four interceptions because of how they use their linebacker. Packers. That was it. But he did tap into the coach going against the world team thing. Why don't you just say that? So.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah, right.

[Chris Ryan]

Nothing I love more than a coach going against. He knows all their weaknesses and strengths.

[Chris Vannini]

That Brandon's the only guy who noticed that.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, Brandon's like the guy behind the.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Counter who's taking thousands of bets a day is like, oh, man, you're right. You're right. How did we never get right?

[Chris Ryan]

John Gruden coached the Raiders. Why didn't Brandon just bet on his own games? He's in Vegas. Yeah, you're winning all the time.

[Chris Vannini]

He's living with his mom and his brother. His brother apparently stole a Thunderbird and is like souping it up. Yeah.

[Salvatore Anthony]

You have Gray sports Almanac. Do you sell the pics?

[Chris Vannini]

Right.

[Salvatore Anthony]

No.

[Chris Ryan]

The cousin. Maybe the. Maybe the brother needed to be like a little more in dire straits. I kind of wonder whether there's more.

[Chris Vannini]

Family stuff that got cut out because like the dad. The whole dad had seen in the.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Beginning, you'd think set something up that.

[Chris Vannini]

They were going to bring him back in. And he's calling Brandon.

[Chris Ryan]

I don't know why John Anthony needs a fancy car in New York City. Just going to mention that.

[Chris Vannini]

Also, there's never any traffic when John Anthony is driving.

[Chris Ryan]

Never. John Anthony goes 12 for 12 at one point. Yeah, that would be like one of the great flukes of all time. Nobody's ever gone 12 for 12. I don't think.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Think ESPN wouldn't report it, but yeah, that would be very big.

[Chris Ryan]

We didn't talk about Amir, who.

[Chris Vannini]

Oh yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Doesn't really want to bet and then starts betting and then we see him and he's got a Ferrari and girls. I don't know, just immed classic movie device. But then he loses 380,000 in one weekend.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

And he's like, he's taking that bet he was taking a $380,000 cleaner.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Who. Who is he connected to who's just like, yeah, I can carry that. Yeah.

[Salvatore Anthony]

So what was his record? I feel like he 60 and 4 before he went on the losing streak.

[Chris Ryan]

And no one should add it up.

[Salvatore Anthony]

No one made enough money to. To bail themselves out of a future loss. They only bet on the last one, Brandon.

[Chris Vannini]

And Brandon gets a Mir after he's been hot in Vegas. So, okay, I think he has like two good weeks or three good weeks, and then that's when he starts tanks. Whatever it is that Walter is like, you're going to have to rip the money out of my talons.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Right.

[Chris Vannini]

That's when Brandon starts going.

[Chris Ryan]

So was. I don't know if this is nitpick or I'm Nance World, but was Brandon a prodigy or wasn't he? Or did he. Was he just a guy that got hot for a while?

[Salvatore Anthony]

This is hot. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Okay.

[Chris Vannini]

I think he just got hot for a couple weeks.

[Chris Ryan]

And then my last one, we mentioned it before, but that move where you go from 100 to 50 to 25 and you keep. Why weren't they just doing this in the movie? It's such an interesting strategy. Like, he could have laid that out. And it's like, here's the science of what we do. We get a thousand people, we narrow that down, and by the end of that, we have 100. And those. Those are the whales.

[Salvatore Anthony]

No.

[Chris Vannini]

And that would have been the cool. Brandon comes along and he's like, no, that's not what we're going to do.

[Salvatore Anthony]

We're going.

[Chris Ryan]

We're just going to win.

[Salvatore Anthony]

He's like, this is what these guys do. What I want you to do is be you.

[Chris Ryan]

You know, Sequel, prequel, Prestige, tbl, Black caster, untouchable. I like the Prestige going backwards like a madman. I think you were on to something with that one. Cr.

[Chris Vannini]

There's definitely just a. A Brandon as a rising college OC Movie sequel.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Vannini]

Like, because he ends the movie coaching kids football. But just watching him go up the ranks.

[Chris Ryan]

So McConaughey comes back. Yeah, maybe after we are Marshall. He didn't want to pursue that. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trejo, Mad Dog Russo, Doris Burke, Buffalo Bill, Sam Jackson, Nell, Byron Mayo, Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Plainview, Long legs or Wilford Brimley in the front.

[Chris Vannini]

Walter is doing Byron Mayo in this movie. He's just like, Brandon, Tony. While the cat's away and the mice will play day.

[Salvatore Anthony]

I think Mad Dog Screaming it. Yeah, well, I don't tell me about Texans Jags. If that was playing in my backyard, I wouldn't draw the blinds. Whip betting Tampa Bay here.

[Chris Ryan]

Jame Gum being involved, I think would have been good. Buffalo Bill.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah, Tampa.

[Chris Ryan]

Just one Oscar. Who gets it? Pacino? Best supporting? I don't know.

[Chris Vannini]

Sure.

[Chris Ryan]

Okay.

[Chris Vannini]

I have a probably an answerable question. Let's hear it for you guys. Is Monday Night Football's popularity really based on the gambling losses of betters from the weekend?

[Salvatore Anthony]

See, I always thought it was Sunday night because there wasn't Sunday Night Football. Right. And then there was and they're like, oh, oh, we may, they may have stumbled upon it, but I think Sunday's when you lose. Monday is when typically the book bookies collect Monday morning.

[Chris Vannini]

Okay, so you're not trying to like one last bet right before one last.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Bet I think is Sunday night. Right.

[Chris Ryan]

I think Sunday night is the chase because it's fresh off. You're not thinking rationally. You've just watched Eagles, Cowboys just ended.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

You're like, I, I, the Eagles were up 20 or nothing. Somebody lost that. I'm going to tease the Rams in the over and yeah, you just go to that cover, by the way. Rams in the over 34 to 7.

[Salvatore Anthony]

34.

[Chris Ryan]

That tease. That probably covered.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yep.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah. Settle day is Monday.

[Chris Ryan]

Monday is like you're spending the morning trying to figure out if you have enough finances to make it or whether you should join the navy or take.

[Chris Vannini]

Out a third party.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, that's on Monday.

[Salvatore Anthony]

It is funny because what happened to Brad, our friend Brad, I was just gonna say told the story. He lost the Monday night game. Game and didn't even stick around to try to. Well, because the boat was leaving Wednesday I think. So he took off.

[Chris Vannini]

Are you serious?

[Salvatore Anthony]

He joined the Navy for three years to avoid a bookie.

[Chris Ryan]

You didn't know this story?

[Chris Vannini]

No.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Oh yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Tell the story quick because it's, it's been on my podcast but not on the rewatch.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Know the exact number. Tamar Van over.

[Chris Vannini]

They were the Florida State guy getting for the Chiefs. Okay.

[Salvatore Anthony]

It was on the Chiefs Getting for up 7 with 2 minutes left and the ball and somehow it was a punt return to tie it and then in overtime he lost by six.

[Chris Vannini]

Okay.

[Salvatore Anthony]

I don't know the other specifics of the players. The way he tells it is so much better. And then like he owed like that was a double up game.

[Chris Ryan]

He was, I think it was a kick return touchdown in overtime to lose the game.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

By Van Over.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Right.

[Chris Ryan]

And he had it. He thought it was done.

[Salvatore Anthony]

It was getting four winning by the.

[Chris Ryan]

Way, when, how many times has a kick return end a game? I mean it's probably less than 10 times times. So he loses and he disappears. He joins the baby.

[Craig]

How much was he down?

[Salvatore Anthony]

I think it was like $4,000. But when you don't have it, I, you know, whatever it could be.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, He Ponzi schemed it.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Lost, lost and put everything like to try to win it back. 9394 range, right?

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yep.

[Chris Ryan]

Disappeared for three years.

[Chris Vannini]

Holy crap.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Not worth it. 1096 days. 1096 days, Randy, on that boat and I was shell shocked. Anytime fireworks go off, it's a great trade off.

[Chris Ryan]

The van over game. Warren, Jersey is not a good gift for Brad. Yeah. Would you give that to him for Christmas? I love it.

[Craig]

Randy, how quickly can you join the Navy though? Like doesn't it take like, can you.

[Chris Ryan]

Show up next day, 36 hours you had seven up. Yeah. They let anybody in if the bet lost. He was joining the Navy.

[Chris Vannini]

That's crazy.

[Chris Ryan]

My probably an answerable question. Is Pacino the number one draft pick for the movie Cook? Draft for guys. You want to play the cook? She's so good at it.

[Chris Vannini]

So who's, who's in the lottery here?

[Chris Ryan]

I don't know. I was trying to think of other people that would be in there. Is Hackman, Michael Douglas.

[Chris Vannini]

I just think because he had he's seed so much like, like weird sexual like anxiety.

[Chris Ryan]

Gear did it in the Diane Lane movie where Gear goes and kills the guy with the Christmas globe.

[Chris Vannini]

Sure.

[Chris Ryan]

We did that one on rewatch. Unfaithful. Yeah, we did that one. It's a great one. I don't know the answer.

[Salvatore Anthony]

I have one too. Well, the, the sunglasses indoors. Yeah, that's in his contract. That's good.

[Chris Vannini]

It's the Oakley wraparounds too. That's the best part.

[Salvatore Anthony]

They're really good. How much did John Anthony earn? Did we figure out how much he made?

[Craig]

10% of the winnings.

[Chris Ryan]

That 10 came late.

[Salvatore Anthony]

He wanted 10%.

[Chris Vannini]

So he only gets a 100 grand or 200 grand from like multiple million dollar wins.

[Craig]

It was a 2 million dollar win and he got 100 grand.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah, so it was 5% but over the week. So you think he made 150 grand for this whole thing?

[Craig]

More, right? Got to be a little more. I don't know.

[Chris Vannini]

I think it's just like everything else. It's like everything is on credit. You know what I mean? Like, I think his. His apartment is paid for by Walter. The girls are paid for by Walter. Walter sounds great.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, it's like Sal's dream job.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Sign me up.

[Chris Ryan]

I waited the entire 90s.

[Chris Vannini]

You pay me 65, 000. But if you got to get everything else right.

[Salvatore Anthony]

And he did have sex with her.

[Chris Ryan]

He didn't with Renee Rousseau.

[Chris Vannini]

They set up one Walter. They do, like, a fake little kiss, and then it's like, oh, I know.

[Salvatore Anthony]

That's the story.

[Craig]

What does Walter want? He's, like, kind of setting up makana. Had sex with his wife, but then he spies on him.

[Chris Vannini]

This is the movie that's actually pretty interesting. Is this old guy getting kind of obsessed with, like, the sexual vitality of the sexual lemon? Yeah, he is a sex lemon.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Chris Vannini]

And he's. He's betting her. He's gambling her.

[Chris Ryan]

See, this is when you've watched a movie for 20 years straight, honestly, these are the kind of things you start picking up.

[Craig]

The rush is him wondering if McConaughey is going to have sex with his.

[Chris Ryan]

Why?

[Chris Vannini]

That's the rush.

[Chris Ryan]

That's.

[Chris Vannini]

That's why it's so odd when you're watching it and you're like, wait, why is the end of this movie all about whether or not, like, Walter and Tony stay together? But if you go back and watch it that way, the entire movie is about Walter, like, replacing himself with Brandon.

[Chris Ryan]

So maybe a problem is if they had Viagra in 2005.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

He's like, my. My is a rocket ship right now.

[Chris Vannini]

I can cut diamonds.

[Chris Ryan]

What piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie, Sal?

[Salvatore Anthony]

There's so much. I guess the car he's not driving. I'm not gonna go with that. I'm gonna go. Jeremy Piven's hair.

[Craig]

Yeah.

[Salvatore Anthony]

I really love it. If I had it, just put it on. I'd wear it every Sunday night on Guess the lines. I think it'd be terrific.

[Chris Vannini]

Same thing I do. Algorithm, psych system.

[Chris Ryan]

Algorithm, psych system doesn't work.

[Chris Vannini]

I'd love to get the. What he was looking at.

[Chris Ryan]

I'd go game. Warren McConaughey. Sun Devil's jersey from the opening scene. And maybe with the hair extensions.

[Salvatore Anthony]

That's good.

[Chris Ryan]

Coach Finock aware. Best life lesson. Modesty is not a virtue. It might be a vice. Great. Hot streaks go cold. Cold streaks go hot. Should we start saying that?

[Chris Vannini]

I think the life lesson is she gives in the gambling anonymous media.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah, the lemons speech. What's your double feature choice? Cr.

[Chris Vannini]

I would probably go Rounders.

[Craig]

Yeah.

[Chris Vannini]

Now after you mentioned it. Because that's. It's basically like. Even the way it opens with the voiceover and stuff like that, like it just feels very.

[Salvatore Anthony]

That's what I.

[Chris Ryan]

Of a piece I had. Devil's advocate.

[Chris Vannini]

Okay.

[Chris Ryan]

I would watch that first. Follow it up with Two for the.

[Chris Vannini]

Money and Magic Walter.

[Craig]

Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Who won the movie?

[Chris Vannini]

Pacino.

[Chris Ryan]

I have McConaughey. Nice.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah. I think McConaughey because pivoted his arc.

[Craig]

Right.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Could do serious movies after this.

[Chris Ryan]

Not really.

[Salvatore Anthony]

I don't think it happens.

[Chris Ryan]

Yeah.

[Chris Vannini]

A couple more bad years after this. But Pacino, this is like really right in the sweet spot of like, it's super fun and hammy, but it's also like an actually pretty good character and.

[Chris Ryan]

Pretty good character. He won it for Ebert too.

[Chris Vannini]

Who.

[Chris Ryan]

Who won the movie for you?

[Craig]

Craig Pacino. The movie goes from fine to entertaining and rewatchable because of Pacino. Like, if it was just another actor doing something, I don't know if you'd revisit it as much. But. But like we said, Pacino is the gift goat. Like half the things he's doing in this movie are hilarious. Yeah.

[Chris Vannini]

Like the fake heart attack in the airport.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Yeah. Right.

[Craig]

Hebrew National. Dad's penis. Like, that's what keeps you coming back. This movie, this show. I actually. This sounds insane to say, but like, I get why this show's called the Rewatchables. Because upon first watch I was like, you know, and then even just kind of going back and watching clips like yesterday before we did this, I'm like, you know what? I'm starting to like this movie a little bit more.

[Chris Vannini]

It is something that you just kind of want to throw. The thing is like, I think I thought of this movie as basically a joke for 10 years. Yeah. And then I was like, you know what? That movie is actually pretty good. And now it's like I barely needed to rewatch it for this.

[Craig]

I think McConaughey and Pacino have really good chemistry. I wish. I like the old Vers young pairing together. You know, if you remade this now, they should do McConaughey and Glen Power. Like, I like seeing the old guard and the young guard mixing together as one is leaving their prime and the other one is entering it.

[Chris Vannini]

Yeah.

[Craig]

It's such a great combo. And movies.

[Salvatore Anthony]

The premise is outrageous and yet they made it work. It really is outrageous. They we. It was a two hour movie for something we knew the whole time. It's luck. Might as well flip a coin. Oh, he did flip a coin. Look at that.

[Chris Vannini]

I wonder if it would have been a much more popular or. Or beloved movie if it was just about sports gambling. If it was just about sports bettors. And he was like, we have a. We have a syndicate or like we pull our money to bet games together. But then this guy comes in and he's like the big dog and I. And like, I wonder if the sports advisors touting thing made people like not understand it.

[Craig]

Yeah. It also could have been a lot bigger. I mean, there's like a tiny wolf of Wall street feeling to it. When it stops, everything starts working and you're in the office and everything's a little crazed. But it's. It's. The movie stays small. They never really leave Brooklyn Heights.

[Chris Vannini]

No.

[Craig]

They could have gotten bigger and the parties could have been crazy and they never really, like dabbled in that. But that was an angle to go.

[Chris Vannini]

That is actually the piece of memorabilia is the town house.

[Craig]

Amazing.

[Chris Vannini]

That would have been awesome to have like an office in the house. Like, you know, you got the second floor. Everybody's watching the games and stuff.

[Chris Ryan]

I still think if this movie came out like in early March, I think it would have done really well. I'm always confused when they open movies like this during weeks when people like us would never go to the movies. Right. Like, like on Saturday and Sunday, Sal's watching football. He's not going to C2 for the money. The only movie you ever saw during football season ever was Blood diamond that time.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Right.

[Chris Ryan]

I was forced to the promo game.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Denny. Yeah, yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Sobbing at the end of Blood Diamond. One of my favorite.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Not at the end. Throughout the entire movie. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Over and over again.

[Craig]

Also, one. One last nitpick. You guys are. You're. Are you full? Are you 100% Italian? Half Italian.

[Salvatore Anthony]

No, my mother's.

[Craig]

You're half Italian. I'm half Italian. Brandon says bruschetta correctly and they correct him and say it's bruschetta, but he's right. It's bruschetta.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Interesting, right?

[Chris Ryan]

The original fancy. It's become bruschetta for some reason. Yeah.

[Chris Vannini]

All the small plates restaurants.

[Chris Ryan]

Two for the Money. Just another classic. Congrat. Congrats to Pacino. Thanks to Craig and Gahal. Thanks to crf. Sal, I don't know what our next one's going to be, but it's always fun to have you on the rewatch.

[Salvatore Anthony]

Three for the Money. I think we're doing it.

[Craig]

We're tracing more back to the future.

[Chris Vannini]

Three for the Money. Yeah.

[Chris Ryan]

Thanks, guys. Sam.