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The Right Time with Bomani Jones
Bruce Bowen GOES IN on Spurs Title Chances, Luka Doncic's whining, Tatum's return | 03.04
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Bruce Bowen
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Bomani Jones
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Bruce Bowen
Foreign.
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Bomani Jones
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Right Time. A Wave original. My name is Bomani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. It is that time of week where we have a guest join us. Coming to us live from San Antonio, East Fresno's own Bruce Bowen. What's going on?
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Bruce Bowen
You know what? I'm not going to let you do it. Starting off with East Fresno, you know, I'm from West Fresno.
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Bomani Jones
It's west. My bad.
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Bruce Bowen
Yes. No, you did that on purpose. No, I did.
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Bomani Jones
See, this time I did do it on purpose.
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Bruce Bowen
That's what you do. I know. Hey, I read the comments, people. All they want to do is hear us go back and forth. They want to hear me talk about, you know, I'm going to get you and all that stuff. But, you know, it's West Fresno.
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Bomani Jones
But you know what, what make it so bad is I was like, I messed it up last time, but I'm not gonna mess it up again. And then I came out here and I messed it up again.
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Bruce Bowen
That's what we doing.
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Bomani Jones
Yes.
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Bruce Bowen
Has the better half.
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Bomani Jones
Cause I'm happy to see you. Right? This is always a good time. But we got you back here.
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Bruce Bowen
I got. Look here. I got this. This is.
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Bomani Jones
Okay. Okay.
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Bruce Bowen
This is my calming teeth. That's what you need, calming teeth. Only when I deal with you, that's your wuzzy.
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Bomani Jones
See, here's the worst thing about it, man. Bruce doing this. You know what I'm saying? Because you know what I'm trying to get Bruce. It ain't going to be about what side of Fresno. It's all the same Fresno to me. I don't know no better. You know, like when I'm a get you, I'm a get you. I wanted to start off. Look, this the thing. Bruce Bowen, San Antonio spurs legend, retired jersey. He was nice enough to let somebody borrow it. But I bet you ain't going to do that again, right? Retired jersey, number 12 up there in the rafters.
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Bruce Bowen
You.
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Bomani Jones
It's been a down few years for the Spurs. It ain't down no more, man. Like. Like when you watch this team. What do you think? Because this is. Here's what I think is interesting and is a little bit different is the spurs had the luck of two superstars who were perfectly built for San Antonio, right? David Robinson into Tim Duncan. Victor is similar to them. But Victor got a different kind of star power and wattage to him, right? Like he's not. He is of a much different personality than those guys are. But it still feels like this is San Antonio spurs basketball.
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Bruce Bowen
Well, yes, and to Victor's credit, I think San Antonio has been blessed with, I think, great thinkers of the game, high iq, big men. Now, I've played with some big men at that. That. That elevator didn't quite get to the penthouse level. But to think about how they have gone about things. Victor wanted to be here. Now, you think about this. A guy that's able to go to an organization that has had successful foundation players. Why wouldn't you want to? But on top of that, still staying true to who he is as far as his evolution and his iq to seek out knowledge in different places and not be afraid to tap into some individuals that may be monks. Let me go spend some time in China to learn different things about how I can center myself in this. In this great league. That we're in. How can I seek knowledge from some of the former players that big men would never think about seeking knowledge from? Hey, Jamal Crawford, I like how crafty you were with the basketball. Hey, can you give me some time? You know, obviously, Hakeem Olajuwon. But just to say that one thing about Tim and David that I've always appreciated as how they've been comfortable in their own skin. And that's what you see in Victor. You see him comfortable in his own skin, but being so much different from a standpoint of certain things that turn him on, certain things that turn him off. But at the same time, he has that same IQ of wanting to be a better version of himself, let me tell you.
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Bomani Jones
And I want to get back to talking about current spurs, but as you mentioned that it got me thinking about something. I was talking to somebody about this the other day because of one bad playoff series. I feel like we have really slept on what David Robinson was like. The high end of David Robinson. Even you, where you played with him after the back injury, you go look at the advanced numbers, you. David Robinson was still David Robinson just at 25 minutes a game.
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Bruce Bowen
You know, you talk about the first big man that would beat guys up and down the floor. You know, you look at his frame, and this is what I think Wimby had had to deal with. People look at his frame and say, ah, he can't handle this. He can't handle that. But all of a sudden, what you see on the floor with Wimby is something that's truly special, but you're not accustomed to seeing that from somebody with his build. David had that build, but more importantly, he didn't allow the bigs to beat him up so much because he learned how to utilize his strengths more than anything else. So I have a big guy that wants to guard me on the block. Dave would take him out to that wing and catch and rip right through him and get to the basket at that moment with him and Avery Johnson, how many guys were running the floor like Wimby does and what David was able to do? And they're just pointing at the rim. I mean, in full transition mode, not one of those things where you can see the lob coming, but a certain play in transition where that becomes part of the weapons that you use when it comes to your offensive game. Davis ability to block shots and stay with wing players at that time, it was something we never had seen before. So to see him do it, I mean, only other slender guy was Kareem Abdul Jabbar that I can think of, or Ralph Sampson, who was more, I think, in the lines of what Wemby is, but at another level and less upset about being that guy. Only say that because it seemed like Ralph Sams was always fighting somebody like Ralph. Why you so bad, brother?
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Bomani Jones
I mean, come on, Ralph in the NBA finals. All right, guys. Howard Bryant, you know, he grew up as a Celtics fan. He hate Ralph Sampson so much. So much.
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Bruce Bowen
But, you know, that's the beauty of this, is that Dave was not a guy that was. Well, when I played, I did this. That you don't ever hear from Dave. Dave was about what he could do to, I think, more importantly, add to his longevity in the game. And I played two years with him, and it was interesting. I had heard the yoga that he did, and so I said, dave, tell me about the yoga and what it does for you. And Dave hopped into a position. Oh. And I was like, you're right. And I'm saying to myself, like, man, that look like your abs really gotta be strong to do that. You know the meaning. Please don't ask me to do a Dane. But what he was doing, I think he was ahead of time as far as the way you have to take care of your body being that size so that you don't wake up with knots in your muscles and things of that nature. But he was funny in how he did things as well. Dave. He would just say, when you thought you were driving in to get. Oh, no, not that one. I said, oh, you got to try that again. And it's just. It was humorous to me. But at the same time, he was sending a message that, hey, I may not talk trash like these other folks, but I do have something to say about whether you score or not.
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Bomani Jones
Yeah.
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Bruce Bowen
And so you think about that, and you. You look at me being able to press up on guys, knowing that I had Dave back there. And even Dave, as at his. His final two years, was still better than a whole lot of others that were in their prime.
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Bomani Jones
Yeah. The thing that I find interesting between David and Victor is Victor is a much ornery character, like Victor seems to be, as my buddy Joel Anderson says, motivated by spite.
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Bruce Bowen
See, and that's the beauty of Dave. Dave's strong, devout Christian. And Dave would bless you, brother, for feeling that way about me. And I'm still gonna give you 30 and 15. And whereas Victor, this is the thing. I couldn't stand it when reporters with little snide remarks. Yeah, but you seem to walk up under him while he was shooting. Can you believe that? Bomani? They would say stuff like that on a low, and it bothered me. And I couldn't do much about it because I didn't have that intention of what they saw. But they would immediately say things like, oh, he tried to do that. He's a dirty guy. Now, that being said, I heard that, but I didn't say anything to it. Whereas Victor has heard all the folks talking about just take him on the block. He. He. He can't do nothing because all you have to do is be physical with him. Draymond knew that. That was the only. That was the last line of defense he had on him is to try to be physical with him. Two years ago, Victor probably would have tussled with somebody trying to show how strong he is. Now he sets them up to utilize their strength against them. And what happened when you press up on him on that underneath out of bounds play, he spins and he's catching it for an and one. That's the ultimate get back in that particular moment, as far as I'm concerned. Take that now.
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Bomani Jones
How good are the rest of them dudes? That's, I think, the most interesting question because, I mean, we don't. We got a pretty decent idea about dear Fox, who I think has done a good job of recognizing that, like you playing with. You playing with the guy, right? Like, don't. Don't lose track of what really matters. But he's been good. They got all these young dudes, but I feel like they could win the West. But everybody got the same point, and it's a fair one. They've never won anything like a single solitary playoff series.
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Bruce Bowen
No. And that's fair, Bomani. It really is. And that's always been my thought process with this group, prior to it coming together quite like it is now. I always have shared with people that you need experience. You need that failure to teach you more than anything else. Case in point, this last game against the New York knicks, they had 11 game win streak. And what stood out to me in that little, little moment was, okay, what happens to most is when you get on a win streak, you become more concerned with the W's than how you went about being the best you could be and taking what. Taking whatever happened now on those win streaks. This is why coaches are so thrilled when they come to an end. Now you will start listening to me again. Now I can coach you again because before I could coach you and we got on a win streak and then it became skipping steps to Get a W. We saw steps skipped in that game, and in those steps that were skipped, I'm sure Mitch was able to go back in film and say, hey, fellas, look at this. Look at how we just tried to get Wimby the ball in a rush and didn't really take note of how he was being played and how we could counter to maybe if there's someone denying him. Those are the little things that. Those lessons of losing a win streak or losing a game you're able to learn from in the playoffs, it becomes more heightened now. You see so many things that only one that maybe have a little bit of playoff experience that I can think of at the top of my head is Fox and Harrison. Harrison Barnes, the other and Harrison Barnes. Exactly. And what you have in those two are so valuable, the things that they can bring to the table. So valuable for a guy who's excited, you know, Vasile excited, Kelton Johnson excited. Being able to get to that point and feel like, oh, my goodness, this is what they're talking about. Because I remember my first year in the NBA. I went to. It was my second year, I believe it was. I go to the Lakers game, they were still at the Forum, and they're playing the Portland Trail Blazers. And that's when the big the. He was a tall, skinnier, version bouncy guy that went to Iowa State. Catino. No, not Cutino.
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Bomani Jones
Kevin Cato.
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Bruce Bowen
Kelvin Cato. When Shaq dunked on him, but you bring up that clip. But when Shaq dunked on him, that was a moment where Kelvin Cato realized that his defensive rotations needed to be five, a tenth of a second quicker. The fact that he was rotating late because he's never been in that environment, and the way that Shaq stretched out on him, I still think about this one. And just the way it happened, I saw it coming. I'm like, oh, oh. And boom. It happens. Also during that time, that's when J.R. ryder told the press said, I own Eddie Jones. And every time he scored, he would pull his jersey a little bit like, I got heart, Eddie doesn't. And so all these different things go on during the course of playoffs where the game slows down and there's a focus that happens. Teams aren't coming up with new plays, but it's about the execution of the plays that they have. Where you're saying, oh, my goodness, this is truly special. So, you know, you look at being that it's. Victor had a rookie of the year and not Vasile, but Castle. Castle. What they have, Castle's ability to learn on the fly. Because I look at Castle, as far as his ability to make the change in defense. I remember last year there were a couple of times he opened up a little bit on certain guys and that gave them a driving way. Now he's become more physical and he's starting to really enforce his will on the defensive side, let alone the offensive side. You look at Harper, what he's able to do. We have so many different valuable options now. Now, when it comes to playoff basketball, who's able to play their role to a tee? Who's able to understand how important it is to follow a game plan and how necessary it is to pay attention to detail? Those are the things, those are the things that you learn during the course of that time. But I feel like they can win a series and learn from that series and learn how more important things are because of that. It doesn't happen often, but I think that they're capable of doing that. All right.
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Bomani Jones
If you had to pick somebody in the west right now, though, which way you going?
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Bruce Bowen
Well, I think it's hard to not pick the champions, especially when they're in first place. So it's always going to be them. But I think even in the fact that if spurs and OKC meet up in the Western Conference finals, the only edge I would give OKC is the fact that they've been there before.
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Bomani Jones
Now. Where are you on Denver? Cause I still think they got the best play on Denver. Cause I still feel like, oh, you're not here at Denver, you're not here.
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Bruce Bowen
Boy, you know, it's just. And I only have to say this because they're missing a key component that you never see, right? You never see Jokic get out of character. And what transpired in that OKC game, I look at that from the standpoint of, no, you're the three time mvp. That can't happen to you. And I know people are going to say, well, he's human and he got to. Sometimes you just have to. And I'm just saying as far as the edge of you having something over someone else, you. You can never allow a moment to happen where you're saying things like, oh, man, I lost my cool. And now everyone knows that I'm human. And because sometimes it's just that mental edge that you have as an athlete, as a basketball player, football player, whatever it is, that's where you keep your edge. Whereas like a player like Kobe, he kept the edge on a lot of guys because of the mental aspect of not allowing them to ever feel like they got in.
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Bomani Jones
Yeah. Like, this is. I feel like Denver's got the. They've done it before. We talked about this the other day. It's like, we give Minnesota no credit for the fact that they've been knocking on the door these last two years. Right. I don't think that they're champions, just to be clear, but it is interesting. Like, they. Anthony Edwards is. He's like, I've seen all my heroes, and I've taken them all down at least once. Right? Every single one of them. He's like, I had something for all of them.
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Bruce Bowen
That's scary for a team going up against him because he can rally the troops. And this is. There hasn't been many rallying the troops. Kind of like Kobe, kind of like mj. It was interesting to see their growth without Cat because it becomes a different team. And, yes, they're more wide open, but at the same time, I know we give. We give the French boy a hard time down low, but he's still able to get things done on the defensive side.
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Bomani Jones
Right? He's a. He's a good player. Yes, he's a good player.
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Bruce Bowen
Maybe it's. Maybe it's because Shaq keeps talking about him so bad.
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Bomani Jones
It's because everybody. Nope.
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Bruce Bowen
I think.
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Bomani Jones
I don't think any player in the history of the NBA has ever been less respected in the course of what will be a Hall of Fame career than Rudy Colbert, you know?
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Bruce Bowen
And again, when you think of Rudy Gobert, do you ever think of highlights? No, I just saw the last one, Draymond Hattie, and it's that picture of him, like. Like, you didn't see him. Like, man, you better get off. He trying to choke me. It was like, That's the part. But then you watch him in that game in Denver. I'm watching. I'm like, rudy, why do I feel this way? Like. But again, it's part of the whole. It's. Shaq is. It's the pictures that we see. It's the things. It's the low. It's the low lights that we seen instead of the highlights. And he is so getting back to facing that team with a leader. Like, oh, man. AD Is just he. And I think what stands out about Anthony Edwards right now is that whole confrontation with the coach. People made more of it than they should have. But there's many times coaches are going to say, pass, hit the open man. But to see his fire, like, no, I got this. This Is what I do. Yes, it is. But when you have someone open, it's that moment with Michael Jordan and Paxson when Phil Jackson says, michael who's open? And he says Pax is open, then get him the ball. And next thing you know, in la, Michael does it once, Michael does it a couple of times. But it's what Michael created first and foremost that we understand what he's able to do before he starts getting it to the open guys. So I think this is what's scary about Anthony Edwards, is that what he's doing, as you said, taking down everybody. When he see LeBron James. Now listen to LeBron at, at.
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Bomani Jones
At.
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Bruce Bowen
At the All Star Game. Hey, man, I love what I see in 80. I want him to keep going. Now you got people that you've. That you've had on the hit list, so to speak. Now they're giving you compliments like that. Ooh, that's scary. Bomani. That's why you never heard me say nothing positive other than the generic. Well, he's a great competitor. And what he does. Not gonna hear me praise no Vince Carter.
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Bomani Jones
You, you and Vince.
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Bruce Bowen
You gonna hear me praise no reality.
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Bomani Jones
We wouldn't hear you praise Vince Carter. Cause you just not go praise. We would hear you praise Vince Carter right now.
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Bruce Bowen
Sure, I think he was the most talented guy, but he just didn't have that. That, that other piece that was necessary. Some people say the wizard of Oz. I like to say the Wiz, you know, ease on down. Ease on down the road.
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Bomani Jones
What I love here. What I love here is that you were like, I will compliment him, knowing the whole way that in the tuck you was coming right behind it. But talk about that man's ticker.
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Bruce Bowen
Well, I'm on the right time, right? There's no better time than the right time.
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Bomani Jones
Like, I'd love to get your list. Cause Vince is the only one that I know. Like, nobody excites you quite like Vince. When it's time to talk about what ain't.
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Bruce Bowen
Well, you know, Vince. Vince has some choice things to say. And I just felt like in our time, Ray Allen, he could have talked to me too. But Ray and I were good. It's just. It was the spirit of competition. Whereas it. I look at what. And this is. At all, jokes aside, Vince was the most talented guy, like, playing that position. He had bounce. He could shoot the ball. It wasn't like, back up, back up. He can't shoot. That wasn't the case. Vince got kicked out of a game with me and he had, like, 38 points. Like, I remember Manu in the locker room right after the game, said, bruce, I don't care what you say. You could talk about my mama. I got 38 on you. I'm going for a career high on you. But that was the difference in Manu and, say, Vince Carter. Vince allowed those moments of emotions to get to him. And who ends up winning? The cooler head always wins. The cooler head always prevail. So I understood that. So if I know how to push your buttons, then set to. Set to blow up in the third quarter at this point, engage.
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Bomani Jones
It's so fun to know that you weren't accidentally like this. You were really doing the math.
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Bruce Bowen
But, man, I tell you, man, I would sit and listen. I observed, because I think I like to observe people and how they do things. But I remember being at a place and it's the summertime, and this is a star in the league. And he tells me, hey, you know, every time we play, you kind of. You hit me a little bit after the shot. You're not supposed to do that. And I said, oh, I'm sorry. My bad. That's my bad.
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Bomani Jones
Very tough.
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Bruce Bowen
But in my head, oh, shoot. He don't like it. Man, when these guys started saying all this stuff, first off, I'm recording, like, really? Oh, my goodness. I'm getting back to the crib. Like, yo, guess what I just found out in those moments. It's like in the most adverse situation. Fourth quarter, let me see how true this is. Let me poke the bear a little bit. Next thing you know, man, I'm getting such a reaction. I didn't know that. But I only knew because they shared that with me.
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Bomani Jones
They just told you, huh?
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Bruce Bowen
So. So thank y'. All.
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Bomani Jones
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Bruce Bowen
This why you got. You know, I got fired for my comments with Clippers.
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Bomani Jones
You know that I thought you thought you was. I thought that you would let that go. You.
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Bruce Bowen
No, no, I didn't, I didn't say I was mad about it. I just said, you know, I did,
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Bomani Jones
I did, I did, I did, I did. I was. See, this is what was happening right now. I know you such a standup dude that I could trust you to be fair, right? Because, because what is interesting about it is they looked terrible then they looked great, then they gave up on the season. But Kawhi Leonard has been incredible this year in a way that you rarely see for a guy playing on a team that doesn't matter.
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Bruce Bowen
Well, I think because of all the stuff that's going on around Kawhi, it's been one of those situations where Uncle Dennis is like, hey man, look here, we can't, we can't pack it in. We got, we got, we still got a job to do. And it goes to that, that part of professionalism that he's displaying. But at the end of the day, it's the, it's how the foundation is within that organization. I think they have a great coaching staff. A great coaching staff. B. Shaw, my man, you talk about hero, mentor, all that. You have that in him. He knows how to connect with players. Now you got Jeff Van Gundy as an assistant who loves the game of basketball. You know, the Van Gundy's period. They just, they're born with knowledge of the game. And Ty Lue, NBA champion, NBA player, champion. As a player, you have what's necessary there. But then you have Mr. Frank. That's where like Everything has to line up in a way accordingly that's going to continue to allow you to build the fact that they, I love that they got ahead of the situation with James Harden, but it, it still puts them back in that scenario of what are we talking about here? Come on, Clip. Sometimes the Clippers just can't not get clipped because they, the Clippers, Yeah, yeah.
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Bomani Jones
But hey, the Lakers, I say this, the Clippers, it's been, I say an interesting season that they could wind up getting out to play in and feel good about themselves if they got there. Right. I don't think there's anything that could happen to make the Lakers feel good. Right. Like, like, like you have LeBron, you have Luga Doncic, you have LeBron James and you guys will be lucky if you win two games in the first round.
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Bruce Bowen
Bomani, there's, there's this thing, and I say this to all leaders when I'm, I'm coaching, whether it's corporate setting or giving a, a motivational speech or coaching my 14 year old group to whom much is given, much is required. So you've been blessed with a certain skill set and because you've been blessed with a certain skill set, it is so important that you do all the little things that others will be able to see a leader in you that they can get behind. Allah, you have LeBron James on the same team with Luka. Luka could look at LeBron and say, man, look at what he's done with his body for the amount of time he's been in the NBA. Usually by somebody's 38th year, or I should say being 38 years of age, you no longer see cut up. You start seeing a little fluff going on that muscle because they not working out like they used to. But that's the example that you see in LeBron getting out on fast breaks. If he turns it over now, I mean if there's anybody that gets, gets a pass, it's a 40 year old getting back on defense. But when I see someone steal the ball from Luka and he barely attempts to get back, or he's chatting with the ref because he feel like he's been wronged. He hit my hand before he hit the ball. That's where I have the issue of you are a leader. What message are you sending to your teammates on the bench when you don't go hard because you didn't feel like you got the fair call? I have an issue with that because I've been around some greats that it didn't matter. Okay, that's what you want to do. You. You fouling me. Okay, but they not going to call it. All right? I'm not going to go complain to the official. I'm going to go right through your nose in order to make my point. Tim Hardaway. I mean, before he got up in age, competitor went at guys. Oh, yeah, that. Yeah, that. The UTEP 2 step. Watching him, watching Zo knowing all he got is a jump hook. He gonna jump hooky to death or he gonna dunk on you. But the spirit of competition, you notice I didn't bring up my other two centers that just would out thank you. And outmaneuver you and Tim Duncan and David Robinson. That doesn't need to be said. But to watch a guy who is a critical piece, especially after what he's gone through in order to get there, you would think that from that failure of being traded, that it showed Luca that, man, I need to get myself together. I need to make sure that that version of what they saw in Dallas is not a version they'll ever see with me as a Los Angeles laker. But what I see is some of that remnants of what used to be still showing up.
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Bomani Jones
Yeah, I thought this was going to be show improve here.
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Bruce Bowen
Well, think about this. Beginning of the year, he came in a little slimmer.
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Bomani Jones
Yeah, it did happen.
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Bruce Bowen
But. But, you know, old habits die hard. I get it. But he can. With his talent and with his skill set, he should be doing. I mean, it should not be clips of us asking or watching J.J. redick, you know, trying to talk to him, and he pouting and things like that again. Come on, now. It's something to call. It's something called accountability in this. But, man, you. You have a boss to answer to. You can't ever think that, oh, man, shoot, I'm the one. Now, you may feel like you're the one, but you can't ever act like that when you're not bringing what you're supposed to bring to the table, or else they will, what, Find someone else? And I know that that's. That sounds harsh, but in reality, that's truly what it is. Or you become handcuffed by a player and his lack of effort from time to time, and you don't want an organization like that. Those organizations don't accomplish much in life.
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Bomani Jones
Now, I want to go to the east, and I've talked about this on the show, and I've talked about this with you a little bit, but we didn't really get into it. I'M curious because you have much more experience as a. Obviously, as a professional basketball player. I can only assume that if the Celtics bring Jason Tatum back, everybody medical involved somehow thinks that this is okay. Okay and a good idea are two different things. I would have never dreamed of bringing him back out there this year. They seem like they're going to do it. And like, the idea is, and I'm curious what you think about this is if Jason Tatum was going to come off the bench and be Vinnie Johnson and just gun for 15 minutes a game, okay, maybe that works. But I don't. I don't know how you just drop Jason Tatum in coming off an Achilles with as much uncertainty as we'll have about what that means, about what he has to provide. And everybody, like, I just feel like you look around, I'm like, oh, this is normal to everybody. I. I feel like I'm the great it.
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Bruce Bowen
Well, first of all, thank you for giving me that experience of being a player. You know, it's very rare that I get those kind of compliments from you, but I like to go back to this. Celtics years ago, had a player by the name of Isaiah Thomas, and he had an incredible year. He was building up, carried the team, dealing with so many emotional things. He lost his sister. And just certain things in life was taking a toll. But he gave his all to that organization playing hurt. Now, as time went on, it found out, they found out that maybe he shouldn't have been playing. And I get it. This is a business. But at the same time, with. I started off today, you and I were talking. I talked about how as you get older, you got to be able to conform with the newer nuances of whatever the game is, whether it's new offensive plays, whether it's different ways of handling a medical staff. But your investment is Jayson Tatum. Jayson Tatum is not a guy that comes off the bench. Jayson Tatum is an individual that's going to have the ball in his hands for quite some time because of how good he is. Now, if it's me, I'm looking at it from the standpoint of I want to protect my asset. Is it better for me to have him now?
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Bomani Jones
Or.
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Bruce Bowen
Let's start off with a week of training camp and go from there next season. Right now, they have a flow with how they do things. I play for the Miami Heat, and I remember when Lonzo Morning started coming back to practice, he. He sat out because of the whole kidney issue and never knew if he would play again. But then he showed up at practice, and he was doing conditioning drills and things like that. Then he started practicing with us. And at this time, Anthony Mason, rest his soul, was. Was a. Was an All Star for us and our team mvp. He was playing the four position. Brian Grant was at the five, I was at the three, Eddie Jones at the two, and Tim Hardaway was at the one. And so Zo starts practicing with us, and I'm like, hmm, Zo's coming back. I don't know what to think of it, because I'm the player. All I'm looking at from standpoint is, hey, it's Zo. He's going to give us what he used to give us. Well, Zo was coming off of a kidney transplant, and because of that, there were certain things we just didn't know if he would ever get back to that player. So I say that to share this. We start, we play a game. We're incorporating Zo back in. Mace is unhappy, not because he doesn't like him, but because the flow of the game changed. Now the ball was no longer in Mace's hands, and Mace making decisions. Now Zo is pounding the ball, getting to his shot, and it's created a disruption. Now everyone is suffering because of that. Maybe Zo shouldn't have come back during the season quite like he did now. I say looking ahead, what if now Jalen's not able to get to touches, or not even Jalen, it's going to be a role player that's not going to get touches because Jason is taking a bulk load of the shots. It's nothing against Jayson Tatum. It's just the disruption that happens during the course of a season or let alone the chemistry of what you guys got going. I again, let me state this, because somebody's going to hear this. Boman say, Bruce Bourne say that Jason Tatum shouldn't play because he's terrible. That is not what I'm saying. He has to go through a litany of different things. Do we trust the explosion again? And all the things of what happens during the course of games, how do you make the adjustment? I don't know if that's necessarily the thing, but if it's me, I'm protecting my asset, especially in today's game, and utilize this year off to allow him to kind of get his body back together and see the game in a different light.
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Bomani Jones
Let me tell you, this is my feeling. If you're not going to play Jason Tatum 36 minutes a game, I don't think you can put him in Front of Joe Missoula because that is a crazy person who really only knows how to go hard. And I say this as a compliment, like, I can't believe how much I've come to. I don't know this man, but I've come to love him. Right. Like, I appreciate there's an outright sincerity and he's trying to win all of this. You know, he a little different. You know what I mean?
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Bruce Bowen
We like, we like to call it no fluff.
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Bomani Jones
Yes, yes, yes, yes. There's no. That's all. All he know is what is directly in front of him. That is, that is. That is all it is. But you're not going to give him Jason tandem and he'll be like, cool, I just play him 10 minutes. He doesn't, he can't. His brain does not operate like that.
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Bruce Bowen
Can I just give you this? Joe, when he, when Joe was at West Virginia, he didn't play a lot. His freshman year, sophomore year, he didn't play a whole lot. But he got to start against Kentucky in the NCAA tournament, I believe it was. And they beat him and he has 17 points. But what he talked about in his post game interview, it wasn't. Yeah, you know, coaches finally realized what I could do and I'm just happy I got a chance to do it. That wasn't what he said. What he talked about. He said, my freshman year, because of our length, I said, man, we could be a really good one three one zone team. And if we could just incorporate things because of our length. My point in all that, as when others are trying to get buckets, he's thinking about the game at another level. No fluff. He is about that life of how can I make this group better? Oh, he's with me. Let's go. 38 minutes. Absolutely. 30 plus minutes. Because with coaches that are always thinking of making it better, they do not like seeing players that can't play suit up because they will make the mistake and say, so and so. Get in there for so and so. So for him, he doesn't need to see Jason at all if he's not going to utilize him. Once he starts seeing Jason now, it starts happening.
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Bomani Jones
Sorry. And then somebody got to be the one to try to explain it to him.
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Bruce Bowen
Who gonna explain
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Bomani Jones
why Brad can't even do it? Yeah, Brad can't even explain that to him. And look, I give Brad credit. Ime, I think was a fairly obvious hire like or that was one that a lot of other people would have made. Now when he hired Missoula, he was in a position where he kind of had to because he made right. And I thought in year one, we were like, hey, I don't know about this. And in year two, when they brought Cassell in as an assistant, I don't know about you, but my thought was your replacement is right there if you don't get this straight. And nope, it's worked. And then this year, this has been coach of the year level stuff that he has managed to done. Dude got to give it to Brad. Brad was like, nah, I think I see something in this dude.
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Bruce Bowen
Well, you think about Brad's mindset, how he thinks the game and how he's a great thinker of the game. Even at Butler, you know, what he was able to do there. So I think it gets kind of brushed off to the side of when they were putting a staff together. What Brad saw in Joe, he saw that person that we see now. And a lot of times in these situations, Brad is so proud of what Joe has been able to accomplish. Not because it's tagged to him, but because these are the things that Brad saw. And Brad didn't know if Joe would ever get an opportunity within the Celtic organization to be able to do this. Now, that's not to say that Joe wouldn't have gone elsewhere and maybe had a head coaching opportunity. But within this organization, no one knew that the whole IME deal would happen the way it did. So more than anything, Brad is thrilled with the mind that he knew Joe had. Cause we're talking about a guy in college again. Ain't nobody I know my teammates weren't thinking about no dog on one three one. I had some thugs. I had a guy hit our coach one time at practice at Fullerton. At Fullerton. Man, that was the last time I saw that brother. When he punched me. Pow. And he walked straight out of the gym. Now the coach was over there like, you go, you, you, you, you, you. Yeah, I'm like, no, coach. He went that way, that coach. Your eyes are a little crossed right now, but that was the last time I saw that player. But, you know, I had players like that. Guys weren't thinking on that level of like, it's only been few that I've been on the bench with. Like, Jaque Von is another one that. That is a great thinker of the game. And to see him go back to Kansas now and possibly lead that group, it only makes sense.
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Bomani Jones
I want to ask you about the Pistons because I know Bruce Bowen well and I know what kind of team that Bruce Bowen. Go like that is a Bruce Bowen team right there. So you can't even sit still talking about him.
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Bruce Bowen
I can't. I will say this. I'm going to go another direction. Of course. What Bickerstaff is doing there, I love it because he's just come in and connect with those guys. I think when it comes to NBA, it's truly about your connection with players. And it starts with Cade Cunningham. I saw Cade when he was a sophomore in high school. I used to work this or observe. I said work on accident. Whoops. But at the Nike League camp, man. And he would compete against all these guards. And at that time, it was Jalen Green. He and Jalen green were the 1, 2, 1, 2. And Cade would come down, man, get an and one. And you know everybody. And one, one. Cade get hit. He just turned around, run back on defense. And I saw it in him his senior year. Then I saw it when he was at Oklahoma State. And I'm so proud of that group because of what he has as far as the leadership there. Detroit has always had great leaders. Joe Dumars, Chauncey Billups. And now you enter into the mix as players on the floor. K. Cunningham. You take Amir. Not Amir Johnson. It's his twin.
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Bomani Jones
No. You talk about Asar.
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Bruce Bowen
Who, man, I'm like, how did you get two kids with all that athleticism? Him going up against Jalen Brunson last year has again, I talked about, we only learn in our failures. That moment in time will always be in his head. And that's only going to make him better. The big man down low, man. I almost want to call him Orlando Woolridge because he looks so much like him with that zero. You talk about enforcer. You got to have somebody that got your back, man. And he, for show, got everybody's back. Let. Let him come on in here. I'll show you what I'm gonna do to him. Where he got guys scared to drive the ball well.
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Bomani Jones
And then they bring Stewart off the bench. Like. It is amazing. It is amazing that the Pistons, this is the third incarnation of this model that they have broken out of a team.
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Bruce Bowen
It works for them. You can't.
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Bomani Jones
You.
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Bruce Bowen
I can't think of another organization other than San Antonio where you put a centerpiece as far as a big man and you build around it. It's the hard work. It's the lunch pail. I'm bringing my hard hat. It's those things that work in Detroit. You don't have Detroit as a. Hey, we're Going to get up and down. We want to shoot 2740 threes a game. No, that ends up just a bad team in the east. We have enough of that. So you get a team that can buy in on that aspect of things. We gonna work hard, we gonna do everything that we need to do with purpose. And I love what bigger staff and his staff is doing down there with that.
- [51:40]
Bomani Jones
What you think about your man Stewart?
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Bruce Bowen
Which one?
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Bomani Jones
Isaiah?
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Depop Ad Narrator
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Bruce Bowen
I mean Bomani. It seems like there's always mess, but the thing is he got a little Ron Artest in him. From the standpoint that was like, hey, hey, hey. Come on back over here.
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Bomani Jones
Don't go over there.
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Bruce Bowen
Don't go over there. No, no, no, I gotta go over there.
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Bomani Jones
Nobody ever called the cops on Ron. That dude for the Sons called the cops on you?
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Bruce Bowen
I think so. So. But now I know we joke about it and, and that's all it is, ladies and gentlemen. It's jokes. Because. But somebody is able to connect with him and this was his way to get in. And yes, you are an enforcer as well. But let's, let's, let's, as they say with, with, with deli meats, let's curate it to a point where they not calling the popo,
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Bomani Jones
right? Like that's, that's. We got to stop there. Because at first I was judging that man for calling 5O and then I think it was Obi Rod who hit me up. It was like, nah, he the one that's in this situation, right? Like apparently it sounded like he had been told that it was on site in perpetrators.
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Bruce Bowen
I don't want. I, you know, I know we come from that generation where there was a fight, but then they let it go. I think the worst, the worst one was, was Doug Christie and Rick Fox, two light skinned brothers.
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Bomani Jones
That was very beige. It was beige rage. It was a lot of beige rage.
- [53:36]
Bruce Bowen
I never heard that one. But he's rage. But I mean like they really took that thing to another level. Cause we pretty boys ain't supposed to do that. But can you imagine some of those folks that's like, yo, dawg, I'm out of the mud. I don't care about this. When a person says they don't care or say less, that's bad news to me. That's bad news to me. But Monadera is a player. He went to Wake Forest, played with the Heat. Johnson.
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Bomani Jones
James Johnson. James Johnson know kung fu or one of them.
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Bruce Bowen
Man, looky here. I wouldn't have. I would probably apologize him if I fouled him. Hey, brother, look here. I am. So sorry. That was not intentional. The only other person I could think of in that situation was Charles Oakley Oak. Oak still might smack you. Oh, I was at a. I was at the Bellagio one time, and we were on a. We on a craps table, and Oak just got back into the Bellagio, and we gambling, and we having a good time. Now Oak got a bunch of chips that he's putting on the come line, And I'm. I'm. This is new to me. I only know blackjack. I. I know how to count to 21, okay? So I take one of my chips, and I put it down there, like, hey. And 12 came up. So 12 pays, like, 30 to 1, the odds there. And so they give Oak all his chips, and I said, what about mine? And the guy was like, you put it down too late. And Oak said, y' all better pay my boy him money or else ain't nobody playing. And I was like, they gave me my chips, Bomani. I left after that. I was like, mm, mm, mm, mm. No, no, no, no. I just. There's just. Mm, mm. And he was helping me out.
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Bomani Jones
Yeah, that's about. Yeah, but that time.
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Bruce Bowen
Jesus.
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Bomani Jones
That time he was helping you out.
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Bruce Bowen
That's the part where it's like, oh, man. What if he was mad? Yeah.
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Bomani Jones
Yeah. I will say this. You've been to Kate Cunningham. I watched Kate Cunningham play one game in college. It was at Oklahoma State. It was either the conference tournament or it was the NCAA tournament. I can't remember which. And what always stuck out to me was, after every play, he was the bring it in dude. And I watch how fast all those other dudes ran to him when he brought it in. And I was like, oh, we got something going on here. Like, a Mike Conley type of situation, where I wasn't. Wasn't. He's a better player than Mike Conley. At that time, I wasn't sure exactly how good he was. Like, my question for him in the NBA was like. Like it was with Mike Conley. Your team has to be a certain level of good for you to get the Mike Conley benefits out of it. But if y' all are sorry, Mike Conley can make you better, but. But if you're good, Mike Conley can help make you very good.
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Bruce Bowen
And I think that's because of. I. I. Less there's all the noise surrounding him going to Oklahoma State. Oklahoma State had hired his brother the year before, and at least that's what I Remember, in that scenario. But you cannot put a price tag on leadership. Leadership is something that's not about the price tag. It is who the individuals are. You brought up a great point in Mike Conley. There are a lot of people that felt like Mike Conley shouldn't be in the NBA. There are people that. That thought less of him because he played with Greg Oden in college as well as the AAU scene. But what you've been able to see from Mike Conley was something that. That has always been who he was. He's been a great leader wherever he's been. And so when we talk about Cade, you talk about a leader that's tough. You know, when they played the San Antonio spurs and he chucked Wemby, it wasn't a little like, nah, ref, he ran into me. Nah. He's like, yeah, I did it. And that's what you want from your leader. But also the leader that he hit also knocked down the three the very next play.
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Sponsor/Ad Narrator
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Bomani Jones
Yeah. I got one last thing with you, Bruce Bowen, before we get out here, because we were talking about what's going to happen with the Celtics if they bring Jason Tatum back. And just speaking hypothetically here, if Bruce Bowen was playing out there with Jason Tatum, would it be the second quarter or the fourth quarter?
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Bruce Bowen
Oh, boy.
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Bomani Jones
Not that you would kick him in the back of the leg, but, like, just leave it in the air. You know what I'm saying? Like, like, like, like, let it, let it, let it, let it. No, no, no.
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Bruce Bowen
This. This. This is another one of those great questions you have, Bomani.
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Bomani Jones
Yes, it is.
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Bruce Bowen
You know, you say if I was playing today, right? Today. Okay. Again, I love your work, Bomani. I mean, I think you are, you know, poof. It's no surprise that you are where you are being. It. It's me. And, you know, I've been known to get close to guys. Jason Tatum, I have a lot of respect for. And because I have a lot of respect for him, I'm going to play hard against him. Now, this is. This is Bruce Bowen, 32 years old. Okay. Or 28.
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Bomani Jones
You.
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Bruce Bowen
You. Hey, I understand that they watching. I understand. So I'm going to try and play a physical game and continue to stress that I know that they're watching me.
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Bomani Jones
Got you.
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Bruce Bowen
I got you. Got you. Officials. Hey, I'm. Hey, I can do this.
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Bomani Jones
I just had so many flashbacks to you and that number 12 when you went like this. Like, if they put a statue of you in front of the building, it's gonna Be you.
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Bruce Bowen
Have you seen this man wearing that jersey?
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Bomani Jones
You out here looking like a mob trying to make a scene. What are you talking about?
- [60:23]
Bruce Bowen
Well, my. It's because officials are taught that if they see this action, they call fouls. So if my hands are here in Boston, I'm going to show my hands. And more importantly, Bomani, because of the rules of the game today, the Harper got called for a flagrant one. He contested the shot and Jalen came down next to his foot. Bruce Bowen would be as he contests and I come down before he done running away. So that they can't say that I did something illegal.
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Bomani Jones
Yep. Because it wasn't illegal when Bruce Bowen played. And then in today's day and age.
- [61:20]
Bruce Bowen
Hold on, I need to drink my tea.
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Bomani Jones
Yeah, I'm just saying, man, you know.
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Bruce Bowen
What are you saying, Bomani? What are you saying?
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Bomani Jones
Some people got things named after him. Sometimes it's a statue, sometimes it's a building, sometimes it's a park, sometimes it's a rule. You know what I'm saying?
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Bruce Bowen
You know what? I told my therapist that you would do this. You would do this around this time. But I'm not. I'm not even phased by what you're saying. I'm not even phased by what you saying. I just seem to have a rash right now because all the forgiveness that I've given you and brother, you a legend.
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Bomani Jones
Brother, you a legend. I'm giving you credit for being a legend.
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Bruce Bowen
Nah, nah, nah. See, you just you pouring gasoline and
- [62:06]
Bomani Jones
alcohol at the time. You a legend. They should have named the airport after you, but instead they just decided to give you a rule.
- [62:15]
Bruce Bowen
You know, I'm actually though, to be
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Bomani Jones
fair, it's the Zaza rule. It ain't even the Bruce Bowen rule. It's the Zaza rule.
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Bruce Bowen
Well, what does Zaza do?
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Bomani Jones
Yes, right.
- [62:24]
Bruce Bowen
Hello.
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Bomani Jones
That's right.
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Bruce Bowen
When it happened to me. Y' all don't talk about when it happened to me. See, it happened. Look, it happened to me with Baron Davis. Now what?
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Bomani Jones
Yeah, you're right. You're right. You know what? We need to take that up.
- [62:39]
Bruce Bowen
I don't like your tone right now. No, no, no, you're just doing that to comply.
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Bomani Jones
You know what? Now that you not, as you mentioned, you right, it's the Bruce Bowen rule. Because they did it to you. See, see, see, see, See, See? Take that compliment, Bruce Bowen. Take that.
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Bruce Bowen
That's not. That is not what I'm doing. That is. That is not what I'm doing.
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Bomani Jones
I know it's not I know it's not.
- [63:03]
Bruce Bowen
I tell you this, Bomani, I, I, I, I really do enjoy talking to you sometimes, but it seems like it always go a certain direction with you.
- [63:14]
Bomani Jones
But I bring it back to love. You know what I'm saying? That's my bad.
- [63:19]
Bruce Bowen
I was waiting for the chef in. You bring it back. You know, you just did your marinade with me.
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Bomani Jones
Hey, man, I did.
- [63:26]
Bruce Bowen
And now you about to go burn up. I mean, cook some stuff.
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Bomani Jones
Yeah, yeah. But that is Bruce Bowen, my brother. It is always a pleasure, man. I appreciate you joining us.
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Bruce Bowen
Absolutely, brother.
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Bomani Jones
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Bruce Bowen
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