Elle Duncan on Caitlin Clark's Sophie Cunningham problem, Olivia Miles' Ceiling | 8.4

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Right Time with Bomani Jones
Episode: Caitlin Clark's Sophie Cunningham Problem, Olivia Miles' Ceiling | 8.4
Date: August 4, 2026
Host: Bomani Jones
Guest: Elle Duncan

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Episode Overview

This lively summer episode of The Right Time features Bomani Jones and guest Elle Duncan in thoughtful, funny, and candid conversation traversing topics from current WNBA narratives and social media outrage cycles, to deeper issues of inclusion, activism, and the never-ending “culture wars” in sports. With league personalities like Caitlin Clark, Sophie Cunningham, and Olivia Miles at the center, Bomani and Elle break down recent controversies, media responsibilities, dumb headlines, and the joy (and perils) of grown-up competitiveness.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. WNBA Summer, Programming Challenges, & Media Flexibility

• [02:11–04:24] Both discuss the challenge of programming sports content in the post-NBA Finals summer lull. The freedom of podcasting versus the daily ESPN grind is appreciated.
• Bomani: “When people get on ESPN and be like, ‘man, they talked about the Cowboys four times this week’...I would love for you to program a show in late July and early August, no matter who you are...” [02:49]
• Elle: “This is the absolute most difficult time for producers in this space...It's not easy, you guys.” [03:38]

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2. Olivia Miles: Aesthetic Joy & Rookie Impact

• [05:24–07:35] Bomani and Elle rave about Olivia Miles’ electrifying play style, relating it to why people "fall in love with basketball: for the aesthetics.” Bomani compares her “you-can’t-guard-me” flair to Kyrie Irving.
• Bomani: “Right now, that goddamn Olivia Miles...man. It is the friendly reminder that most of us fell in love with basketball for the aesthetics of it.” [05:28]
• Elle: “She has been like, honestly, if she wasn't living in an era of A'ja Wilson...she could be just the second person to win MVP as a rookie, joining Candace Parker. She’s just been so fun to watch.” [06:21]

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3. Asia Wilson's Case as the GOAT

• [07:49–10:42] Bomani dives into the remarkable advanced stats that cement A’ja Wilson’s historic dominance, with Elle arguing she’s not just the current best but the “greatest basketball player of all time.”
• Elle: “Asia every single year elevates her game...She is the best. And then she keeps pacing herself and getting better and resetting the standard. You have to marvel to watch it now.” [09:11]
• Bomani: “In 2023, Asia Wilson put up a win shares of 40 per 48 minutes of .406. That isn't real. Correct.” [07:49]

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4. Nuances of New Fandom and Having Humility in New Sports Spaces

• [10:42–12:34] Discussion about being conscious of one’s limitations as a newer WNBA viewer, with a call for fans and media to be open-minded.
• Elle: “Let that be a lesson to us all...No one's saying if you're a new fan, you have to be quiet...Just be open minded.” [11:15]

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5. The Caitlin Clark & Sophie Cunningham Problem

The Media, Social Media Outrage, and PR Dilemmas

• [13:33–19:23] Elle discusses how Caitlin Clark’s personal performance gets overshadowed by manufactured controversies, particularly relating to political statements and trans rights due to Sophie Cunningham's outspoken views.
• Elle: “...When you Google the Indiana Fever, all that comes up is transphobic stuff, stuff about Caitlin Clark and racism...None of it is about the basketball.” [14:23]
• Bomani: “I'm starting to think that you can have a Caitlin Clark, but you can't have it with a Sophie Cunningham. Can't do it. Can't. You can't do it at the same...All the heat ain't really got nothing to do with Caitlin Clark; she bringing all the heat, right?” [19:10]

League History & Activism

• Elle: “This is a league that was born on activism, that was born on being political...That’s what the league was founded on.” [21:10]
• Elle: “The difference with this one is...typically in the WNBA, those causes...are in support of marginalized communities. And this take, of course, is in direct conflict to that.” [22:18]

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6. Trans Athlete Participation: Manufactured Outrage vs. Lived Reality

• [26:35–34:33] Bomani and Elle analyze the “issue” of trans women in sports as a right-wing culture war and a topic that gets outrage outsized to its practical effect, noting that there’s never even been a trans woman in the WNBA.
• Bomani: “All things related to trans people require what I consider to be very complex explanations about what is going on. And to most people, it is a common sense thing...” [26:53]
• Elle: “This is not a crisis. This is not an issue that is infiltrating our girls sports. It's not...These are the young girls telling you what the crisis is in women's sports, and it is not transgender athletes, of which most of these girls will never encounter in their entire playing career.” [31:09]
• Elle: “If you care about protecting girls and women's sports, then why don't you speak out on the countless Title IX lawsuits...?” [32:33]
• Bomani: “There's no there there argument. It's just this doesn't come up.” [33:48]

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7. The Power of Social Media Rage and Manufactured Controversies

• [38:23–40:35] Monica McNutt’s “pedicure-on-SportsCenter” sparked multi-day fake outrage, leading to a broader discussion on media standards, post-Covid production values, and the gendered nature of criticism.
• Elle: “Because she's a woman and because she was doing a very feminine thing...because she's getting her nails done, then all of a sudden she's not being a professional. And I just think it's so silly and absurd.” [39:23]
• Bomani: “If I turned on television, I would be thinking more about, wait a minute, she getting her feet done than whatever it is that she's talking about.” [41:55]

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8. Modern Sports TV: From At-Home Hits to the McAfee-ification of ESPN

• [42:51–44:04] Discussion of changing standards for remote hits, post-pandemic production, and the expectation that information trumps polish—until it doesn’t.
• Elle: “I think ESPN realized...people don't actually really care that much if you've got a gorgeous backdrop...they're really just there for the information.” [42:51]

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9. Grown-Up Athletic Injuries, The Will to Compete, and the ‘Dog’ Within

• [51:00–60:22] Bomani and Elle swap hilarious and relatable stories about adult injuries in recreational sports, family competitiveness, and the dynamics of “having that dog” in you.
• Bomani: “I have spent the vast majority of my adult life simply trying not to be injured...when people are actively in for real athletic activity as grown ups, you got to see nuestros hermanos al parque jugando baseball in los fines de semana...” [51:37, 54:28]
• Elle (on her mother’s grit): “...she got a hold of that pitch...she gets the first base, she rounds second, she pulls her hamstring and she lands...the thing that she wanted us to know: she made it to second base.” [58:59]

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10. Competitiveness, Escape Rooms, and Nerdy Family Rituals

• [60:22–65:32] The pair bond over family games, competitive genes, escape rooms, and crossword puzzles.
• Bomani: “Black people are the cheat code for Taboo because the game is culturally biased.” [61:45]
• Elle: “The ultra, ultra competitive person is someone that won’t even try if they don’t think they have a real shot.” [62:41]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote/Highlight | |-----------|---------|-----------------| | 05:28 | Bomani | “Most of us fell in love with basketball for the aesthetics of it.” | | 09:11 | Elle | “Asia every single year elevates her game...resetting the standard. You have to marvel to watch it now.” | | 14:23 | Elle | “When you Google the Indiana Fever, all that comes up is transphobic stuff...None of it is about the basketball.” | | 19:10 | Bomani | “I'm starting to think that you can have a Caitlin Clark, but you can't have it with a Sophie Cunningham.” | | 22:18 | Elle | “Typically in the WNBA, those causes...are in support of marginalized communities. And this take...is in direct conflict.” | | 31:09 | Elle | “This is not a crisis. This is not an issue that is infiltrating our girls’ sports. It's not.” | | 39:23 | Elle | “Because she's getting her nails done, then all of a sudden she's not being a professional. I just think it's so silly and absurd.” | | 58:59 | Bomani | "[On his mother’s softball injury] ...the thing that she wanted us to know: she made it to second base." | | 61:45 | Bomani | “Black people are the cheat code for Taboo because the game is culturally biased.” |

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 02:11 – Summer slow period and programming woes
• 05:28 – Olivia Miles & the joy of basketball aesthetics
• 07:49 – A’ja Wilson, advanced metrics, and GOAT status
• 14:23 – Caitlin Clark, media narratives, and problematic coverage
• 19:10 – Sophie Cunningham’s distraction factor and social politics in the WNBA
• 26:35 – The trans athlete “issue” as right-wing outrage fuel
• 38:23 – Monica McNutt pedicure outrage: real or manufactured?
• 51:00 – Why grown-up rec-league athletes are wild (and other injury stories)
• 60:22 – Family competitions, having “that dog,” and Scrabble battles
• 61:45 – Culturally biased party games & family hacks
• 64:24 – Escape room greatness, solo travel, and who “the coolest one there” always is

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Tone & Interaction

Throughout, Bomani and Elle blend humor, honesty, and seasoned perspective, never shying from social critique or challenging each other’s opinions. Bomani is self-deprecating and witty, especially on topics of competitiveness and podcast production; Elle is insightful and direct, especially about the gendered dimensions of sports media and the real issues facing women and girls in sports.

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For Listeners: Why This Episode Matters

If you’re curious about the intersection of sports, culture, and media – especially women’s sports – this episode offers a nuanced take that goes beyond hot takes. It illustrates the complexities that arise when new audiences meet old institutions, why activism is at the core of the WNBA, and how media narratives can so easily distort the actual game. There’s also plenty of genuine laughter about family, rec league glory, and the ever-shifting standards of what’s "professional" on TV.

Highly Recommended Segments:

• Olivia Miles as the “epitome of basketball fun” (05:28–07:35)
• The Caitlin Clark/Sophie Cunningham dynamic and its media overtones (19:10–25:31)
• Elle’s powerful debunking of the “trans athlete” panic (31:09–34:33)
• Monica McNutt's “controversial” pedicure and the double standards of media (38:23–44:53)

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“At the end of the day, I am always going to be me, and you are always going to be you. No matter what that means.” – Bomani (69:14)

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Let's go Bo. Hi. I know that's always my Whenever Bo checks in on me, like randomly because we are friends, I'll be like, yeah, blah blah, blah, shoot the shit. I also, when can I come on the show? So thank you.

[A]

You always got a time like I just check in, you know, because you always got a million things going on now there's never no telling if you're going to be on the top of a mountain or at the Home Run Derby, you know, or anywhere else. Netflix, like, you are out of these trenches of us. Like when we looked at the news on Sunday, it was like, we ain't doing no Monday podcast. We ain't nothing there. You ain't even got to go through that no more.

[B]

No, that's, that's. I think that's been an interesting part too. Someone asked me that the other day, actually, is it hard to do a major event and then like not do anything for a month? And I was like, yeah. I mean, I'm used to the beats of like five, six, sometimes seven days a week because I Did work at espn. And so that's. The thing is, like, you do this big thing, you put all of it into it, and then just kind of just. It just goes away. I. I have not wanted in a long time. There's only been a few moments since I've left ESPN where I've been like, I wish I was on air tomorrow. And I wanted to be on air after the derby because I just think Jordan Walker story is so freaking cool. And, man, it was an awesome derby. So awesome.

[A]

I. After I stopped doing High Noon, I was pretty clear to myself, like, hey, man, I don't want to do, like, the daily television grind again. Now, I want to be very clear. That opinion or that desire seemed to be reciprocated by the industry that I worked in. But I was just like that, man, we got to come up with this every single day. Like, this has become like an everyday podcast, but we have much greater flexibility in terms of what we're going to do when we only got to get to, like, the. The top stuff that's there. Like, when people get on ESPN and be like, man, they talked about the Cowboys four times this week. I would love for you to program a show in late July and early August, no matter who you are. I would love for you to sit down and decide to come up with two hours worth of shit for people to talk about or listen to you talk about.

[B]

Thank you. Like, this is the absolute most difficult time for producers in this space. Like, the summer. And, like, yeah, you've got some baseball. You obviously have the wnba. And. And there, you know, Rise has helped as well, kind of take up that summer calendar. But, yeah, typically in this industry, after the NBA Finals, everyone goes on vacation. It's when you start seeing all these different pairings on air because people are burning all their time off. Producers are trying to figure out what the hell to talk about. And, like, every once in a while, you'll get, you know, a little nugget will drop in your laugh. LeBron James, thank you so much for going to Philadelphia. That's going to occupy two weeks. We'll see what happens. But this is. It's. It's not easy, you guys. It's really not easy to try to figure out what to talk about seven days a week on multiple shows and then be different from the other shows on your own network.

[A]

Right?

[B]

A lot.

[A]

Well, it's because this shit don't matter, right? Like.

[B]

Like.

[A]

And I don't mean that in a snide way. Like, this is an entertainment product Right. Like, this is. There's nothing that becomes imperative, truly for you to talk about. So when you get to that. This part of it. Thank. Thank you, NBA, by the way, because with the new, like, free agency is now before free agency because it's the trade market and then you get the free agency. And as much as many of us joked about LeBron and how he was just going to wait till he had the whole, you know, all the stuff to himself after the World Cup. Appreciate your homeboy. I don't really know what it was that we was going to do without you. Like, that was. That was an example of him doing us a solid way to go. LeBron, WNBA, the rise is happening, but, like, for, like, for a sports center, it's been great because you could run the highlights and you could say the things or whatever. Like, it's at that point where you could get interest in those sorts of things. Over here on Yakety Yak street, we're still not at the point where on a mass level, people want to hear us talk about the actual basketball, Right? Like, we're still not there. Which is sad because right now, that goddamn Olivia Miles, that they're. That, hey, man. It is the friendly reminder that most of us fell in love with basketball for the aesthetics of it. All right? Like, what it looks like when there's a really, really cool basketball player, it was not about maximizing these equations and cooking up these statistics and all this ball movement and everything else. No, no, no. For you younger people, you just didn't grow up in an era with it's me and you and somebody's dribbling the ball with that. With that. With that whole demeanor of, you can't guard me, and it's just a matter of time before I embarrass you. And we got one of those again, right? Like, Kyrie Irving in the NBA is like the Last of the Mohicans. Like that Olivia Miles is like, yeah, go, let's do this. Let's see how this goes.

[B]

She has been like, honestly, if she wasn't living in an era of Asia Wilson, then I think she would have more conversation in the MVP debate. She's obviously locked up rookie of the year, but she's so freaking fun to watch. And honestly, for the people that don't know Olivia Miles story or kind of, she just fell into their purview, maybe after she left Notre Dame, like, she was, you know, a top prospect, like rookie of the year in the ACC hurts herself, you know, in comes Hannah Hidalgo. Now all of A sudden there's this power struggle of whose team it is, who's going to be, who's going to bring the ball up. Like, who? You know, you had these two incredible guards. Olivia Miles did not play any defense in college. Let's be real. Hannah Hidalgo. That's her specialty. And so Olivia leaves. She goes to tcu. There's a lot of questions about why and this and that. And I remember one of the last images of her at Notre Dame in the. In the tournament is her sort of quitting defensively and, like, it looked like she gave up. She goes to tcu. Look what she did to that program. Took them to new heights that they'd never been to before. And then she comes into the WNBA and is absolutely killing it. And like I said, if she didn't live in the Asia Wilson era, she could be just the second person to win MVP as a rookie, joining Candace Parker. She's just been so fun to watch. But alas. Let's talk about other stuff.

[A]

What. I'll tell you this, though. If I was her, I wouldn't play no goddamn defense neither. I'm doubling up. I'm doing somebody else's job over here. Y' all take care of that.

[B]

He has improved defensively. She definitely has. It's a part of her game that will continue to grow.

[A]

Good for her. Good for her. Because I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I want to throw. Let me. Let me do a little nerdy sports thing right fast about Asia Wilson, because the other day, one thing I find that's interesting for me, as someone who doesn't watch women's basketball very much is that I don't always know how to interpret statistics. And what I mean by that is what a good field goal percentage is in the women's game is not the same as the men's game. So forth and so on, right? And I never really paid any attention to the advanced statistics over there. So there's a stat I look at a lot, which is win shares per 48 minutes. And in the NBA, it is the most accurate predictor of, like, who is going to win the mvp. Right? It pretty much goes every year. Guys like yogic and SGA right now are in like a 0.300 range or a little higher than that, which is otherworldly, like top seven all time. In 2023, Asia Wilson put up a win shares of 40 per 48 minutes of 406. That isn't real. Correct. Like. Like, when I look at the. Looking at the numbers in advance stuff for her. It is like, oh, no, this is a no brainer. I can't imagine there's any way anybody's been better than this. Look, just if I'm looking just at those numbers, I could not believe. Like, watching her play, it's like obvious this is a very good player. Looking at numbers with it was like, yo, this is breaking the game.

[B]

People keep forgetting in this dynastic Vegas run that like, up until last year's championship, they did not even have a bench. So it truly was. And we saw that last year all on Asia Wilson. And the thing about Asia is I. I get it. There is greatness, apathy. I was the main one. Like, please, God, Tom Brady, go away. We get it. Like, you are the greatest. Please, like, stop. We get it. I was the main one that was ready for him to move on because I was tired of him having a stranglehold on the league. But I do think that we have to appreciate that Asia Wilson is not only the greatest basketball player of all time will go down as the greatest basketball player of all time until someone dethrones her at point, but she's also on worldly Bow because every year she breaks records and then she finds a way to elevate again. This is not. Let's just keep giving her the MVP because there's no other really good candidates. There are incredible candidates every single year who are so deserving. Nafisa Collier last year, right? Like, that was her Kevin Durant versus LeBron thing where I was like, God, LeBron, go away so I can win an MVP. They are always very deserving. But Asia every single year elevates her game. And when you think she can't elevate anymore, you. She finds another thing, which is like this year with her three point shooting. So you're telling me a big of Asia's caliber can now shoot threes at a career clip? Like, it's just unfair. It's totally unfair that she is the best. And then she just keeps pacing herself and getting better and resetting the standard. It's you. It just. You have to marvel to watch it now.

[A]

Like, that's she's the one. I feel like you could kind of talk about her basketball in a, in a general audience setting at this point, right? Because I always say I'm reluctant too, because I don't know, I watch those other leagues a lot longer. I'm much better at it. I know a lot more about what I'm talking about. I'm like, a little less good at it. That's why the Miles thing has been so overpowering, because it's like, dude, there's nothing to interpret here, right? There's no, there's no, there's no making this relative. This is familiar as fuck. Like I've seen this in, on many levels and I miss it. I miss it greatly.

[B]

I'm with you, Beau. But I also think too like, I love what you said, that like I don't watch it enough to, to have a really strong opinion in this. Let that be a lesson to us all, that when we're newer to spaces that we can be fans that we can marvel at, like, you know, different players and whatnot. But that like, if we don't know, like if we don't watch enough WNBA to say without question this person is treated differently or this person is a difference maker or this person isn't, then maybe let's just like have our opinion and then be really open minded to other people's opinions as well. Because like, ultimately I think that's one of the things that's annoying the most in the WNBA is like the same person out of the same mouth on one side will say, I don't watch any of these bitches. And then on the other side say, none of these women are as good as this other person that I like. Or you know, if you say something like, well, I think the links are going to win it because of Olivia Miles. And then of course they've got Fee, one of the best basketball players on the planet. You're somehow hating on somebody else's favorite team. I was like, well, how much have you watched of them to know? So like, let that be a lesson to us all. No one's saying if you're a new fan, you have to be quiet. You can't have an opinion, you can't have a favorite. I'm just saying be open minded. That like maybe your opinion is not the end all be all because you just don't have enough acumen and that will come the more that you watch.

[A]

Yeah. And I think with the media stuff, I do think, I know Ryan Rossillo got in trouble with some people. I guess it was maybe a year or two ago where he said, I don't watch the WNBA and I don't feel like I have to watch the wnba and that's nothing against the wnba, but that's just not what I'm going to do. And I actually was like, yeah, I see that. Right. If you've made the call, that's not what you're Going to do. That's cool. I think a lot of us felt pressure in the last couple of years, and I don't know if pressure is the right way to put it, but an inclination to feel like, this is the new thing that's coming up. So I should probably talk about this because, yeah, it's not even fomo, as much as the audience seems to want this. And then, like I said with me, I felt like they thought they wanted it until I did it. And then it was kind of like, oh, this isn't going over, like, nearly as well, because, hey, I know how to do culture stuff. And then everybody gets a little tired of the culture stuff because it's become so incredibly inflammatory. And it was culture stuff in a way that didn't allow for no jokes. Like, nobody could have it. No. Like, there was no fun for it. They roped you into it the other day. I was like, ugh. Ugh. That's tough.

[B]

They always do. They always do. Listen, I. The thing that I have come to accept, and I'm okay with, is that I just understand the tenor of social media media. I get what it is. I understand why it exists and what it's for. I know why I have it. I have it because it's important for brands. It's important for. To communicate what you're doing. And because I do. Like, I love being on social media and experiencing a big sports moment with other people. I do. You know, like, most of my Twitter during, like, a big sporting event is just, like, stream of consciousness. It's like, you know, I look back on these tweets and I'm like, what game was this? Even I didn't use any hashtags. I'm just tweeting like, oh, my God, are you kidding me? But I also understand that, like, rage bait, the opportunity to be. To be opportunistic. Like, that's all it is. It's like, oh, this black woman gave a thought on Caitlin Clark. Like, let's blow it up and make it a big thing. And it's frustrating on some ends because I don't know how many times, you know, I went down this, like, rabbit hole the other day of I was this close to hitting up my social media girl and being like, can you pull all the clips of me talking positively about Caitlin Clark? And can you. And then I was like, why? I don't have to defend this position. I have no issues with Caitlin Clark. I have only ever had issues with the narratives around her, with some of the fans that say things that I think are inflammatory, racist, and bigoted. This idea, this generalization of an entire league of women. I have issues with all of those things. I've said for years that I did not feel like it was Caitlyn's responsibility to. To. To tamp things down because, like, she didn't ask to be the face of this. Right? And, like, I don't think it's fair. I also felt like this would all die down by now. I thought three years in, I thought, like, with the basketball to talk about, which is what we just said, like, I thought all of those things would mean that eventually we'd move past this, and it's just not the case. And so what I said on that podcast the other day, I stand by in that I think that Caitlin's PR team essentially has to say, Caitlin is having a career year. She's playing so well. The Fever team are one of the hottest teams in the league right now. But when you Google the Indiana Fever, all that comes up is transphobic stuff. Stuff about, you know, Caitlin Clark and racism and whether the women hate her. Congressional hearings. None of it is about the basketball. And so if I'm her team, I'm going, how the hell do we get this big back about the basketball? And I just feel like, like. Like the statements that she's made, and I saw her interview that she just did with Malika, and, like, again, I understand that she's trying. I just think you have to go back to the drawing board because it's not working. Like, they've already used you. They're. They're continuing to use you. And so, you know, to me, it's just the idea that if you keep doing the same thing over and over and it's not working, you just have to have a different approach. Because I want that for her. Like, I want it for her. I want her to be able to, like, you know, not have to dodge the media for fear that she's going to be asked some question about. Some divisive question about politics. It's just. It's absurd. It's made the W the least fun league to cover. And that's not just me. That's. Most people that are in this space are like, oh, my God, we love the increased attention and all the things that have come with it. And obviously, the women are getting more money and they're getting all of the things that they have earned and deserved. But on top of that increased attention, how the hell do we handle this? Because it's become more than, like, an Elephant in the room. It's become the dark cloud over the league, and it's. It's. It's really frustrating as someone that just loves it and wants to focus on basketball.

[A]

Yeah. My thing was I truly don't. Like. I've seen the many times that she has tried to say there's no place for racism and everything else. I just don't think there's anything they can do about it, in part because I think people are addicted to being angry. Like, I think the nature of, like, I think it's a we. We can acknowledge on an individual level. And we have friends who are like this, who are. And I noticed this. You are not one of these. I am not one of these. At least I'm certainly not that at this point. People who are just really addicted to the back and forth and go find these people. Like Mark Zuckerberg said when they started putting the bots on Facebook of AI characters, he's like, yeah, well, we think you'll learn to like these people as much as you like your real friends. Which was terrifying. But then I watch people do that with them bots every day on the Internet. Right. Like, they're addicted to being mad. And she. I don't know how good she would have to be to transcend all that noise, but she hasn't been as good as a lot of those people expected her to be, in part because, as you said, they didn't really know nothing about the league in the first place. So the basketball has not been so excellent as to where there's nothing else that you really like. When Larry Bird came in the league, it was. He was like that. Therefore, any discussion that came up about the other stuff, you. When they were like, larry Bird's the best player in the NBA, it was like, damn, man. They. Right. You know, like, you had the moment where you had to, like, really ride that out. She hasn't wound up being quite that good, which, in a basketball way, makes it more interesting. There's a climb, there's a progression. This is a league where older players don't cycle out as much because the money situation, it's not like a younger player is that much cheaper than an older one. So, like, the hierarchy is more established. It's hard. She's trying to climb a tough mountain, man. And maybe knocking you around in that league, too. Like, just on the basic Greek mythology type of story of the climb or the way that we typically did sports, it's all right there. But that's not why so many of these People got into it in the first place, and that's not the part that sells in the world of algorithm. And so now everybody's mad. Everybody's very bad. And now I have a hot take, something that the fever can do to make it better. Okay? So I don't know if you've ever heard this one. You covered the Atlanta Hawks. You're probably familiar with the concept. They always say about. On a basketball team, if you got knuckleheads, you can have one knucklehead. Yeah, but you can't have two.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Right. You can't. You can't put them in the same place.

[B]

No, no, no.

[A]

I'm starting to think that you can have a Caitlin Clark, but you can't have it with a Sophie Cunningham. Can't do it. Can't. You can't do it at the same. Because right now, all the heat ain't really got nothing to do with Caitlin Clark. She bringing all the heat, right? That whole. I don't really be thinking about it. I just say shit, right? She gets out here, she says it. It's the thing. And now they coming over to Caitlin Clark like, hey, Caitlin, you know how Sophie be, like, fouling people for you Anyway, what do you think about what she had to say? And they like, man, Kayla ain't talking to none of y'. All. They can't even bring her around to people. But the heat is coming from the other one. And legitimately, in men's sports, we talk about distractions and all of those things. That is as big a distraction as there has ever been around a team. The people who thought it was legitimate to keep Colin Kaepernick off a roster because of his politics are now totally enamored with this woman off of this one take. That becomes interesting because it is a minority take in the league, and it is easily a majority take in the nation. But she bring. If you go have Caitlin Clark on the team, you can't have one of those right there. Unless Caitlin's trying to lean in with it, right? Unless the. Unless the game for her were to be. You know what? Nah, I'm in that same direction. And then it's like you got somebody to take the heat off of you. It seems pretty clear that this isn't quite. She does not have the same get down as Sophie Cunningham, but she gonna have to answer for everything Sophie Cunningham say. And Sophie Cunningham gonna keep saying it all, because this is what's getting her bread. This is what's getting her on tv. This was her getting at the, her at the UFC matches, she, she's become an honest to God celebrity. And she averaged like five points a game in the wnba.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I think, like, for Caitlyn, neutrality is, is obviously the goal because she's got a lot more to lose than Sophie. She is a huge brand, a huge name. And, and so listen, I, I, I, I'll be candid. I said this on the, the podcast I was on a couple of days ago where they brought up Sophie. She's a colleague. I'll be working with her on tomorrow on USA Sports. I don't, no, no, no, no. So I don't address, you know, you know, I've had some colleagues that I have loved in my life to flame, but I have just had a standard, like, you know, operating procedure of like, I just don't comment on colleagues because I have to work with them. And ultimately the most important thing is, you know, being on air together and making that work in chemistry. But I will say that, yeah, I mean, I think in general, it's interesting. I was having this conversation the other day with someone yesterday, actually. This is a league that was born on activism, that was born on being political. I think that you, you, it is hypocritical to say that in a league that has always rallied around activism, speaking your mind, using the court as a pulpit for the things that you believe in, whether they cross sports or not, that's what the league was founded on. And they've always been, you know, really big in that space. I would say that the difference with this one is that typically in the wnba, those causes that the players rally around are in support of marginalized communities. And this take, of course, is in direct conflict to that. And that is, I think, where you're getting this really big. Why this has been such a huge blown up story. Not just that, Sophie, is because I do, I find it to be so hypocritical that the stick to sports people are now holding rallies at the sport. It's, let's just be honest, what, we always knew what it was, which is that stick to sports. If you're saying something I don't like. Yeah, which is everybody.

[A]

Which is everybody, by the way.

[B]

Yeah, which is everybody. Like, now, you know, now it's like, shut up and play basketball. And, you know, and so I do find that to be, you know, hypocritical. I just think that that's where we're at. Is that like in a league that has always been about activism, now we're seeing political discourse that is in contradiction to everything that the league really was about, which was like, I hate saying the island of Misfit Toys, but that's always been their mantra. Bow. Right? Like, if you belong nowhere else, if you feel like you have no safe space anywhere else, if you don't feel comfortable at an NFL game or whatever, if you don't feel like you have people, you have people here, this space amongst all of these marginalized communities with black women, with queer women, with, like, all of these from all different walks of life, you are welcome here. You know, it's always been, you know, gay families at the games and straight families at the games and, you know, trans families at the games and black and white. And it's always been a welcome space. I remember the Atlanta Dream. They're all dancers. Their dance team used to be, like, guys and girls, old and young. And that's always what the W is about, was like, we will collect all of you who feel like outcasts everywhere else. You will be safe here, and you will be loved here. So I think if you. It's been startling for a lot of people that has been in this space for a long time because now all of a sudden, the posters and the rallies and things like that are in conflict of a marginalized group. In fact, the most marginalized group that exists. And so there's just these two, you know, sort of existential things that are happening right now. But it's. I did think Cheryl Reeves had really great comments about her and Sophie. They chatted before the Fever Links game the other day, and. And she was like, it was good to just talk through our differences. We feel very differently about things, but we expressed how we feel. And ultimately, you know, we have the same sort of ideas of how we're going to use our voice and in support of what we're going to use it for. So, you know, it's. I don't know, Beau. I wish I had a solution for how all of this, like, goes away. Obviously, the Internet doesn't love my solutions, but I do think that, you know, I've been at this place of avoid, avoid, avoid. I just don't want to talk about it. It's a headache. Every time I talk about it, it gets clipped from a podcast. I have to avoid socials for four days. Yeah. I'm getting text messages from right wing, you know, media companies that want to,

[A]

you know, want to come on the show.

[B]

Right. Which is a joke. I'm never coming on your show. Out kick. It's never going to happen. You can literally stop asking. But I also think that, like, that isn't a solution either to avoid and evade. And, like, that's not it either. And so, you know, it's an uncomfortable conversation and one that most people don't want to get into because they know they're going to be attacked and they're going to. There's going to be articles about. I'm sure there'll be articles about this. Like, I called it on the last podcast. I was like, I'm going to talk about this. They're going to clip off 15 seconds of this and then it's going to go viral and then everyone's going to be in my. And it's like, that's just. But that's the tenor of social media, Bo. And that's where we're at. And I'm all good with. You know why? You know why I'm all good with it? Because all I have to do to avoid it is put my phone down, turn it off. So what? I, I still got to go pick my kids up from camp. I still got to be a snack when they come home. None of this actually matters because it is not real life. These manufactured ass controversies are not real. They're fake. I'm looking at you, Monica McNut.

[A]

We, we're going to get to that. I want to make this one point right fast on what you said is that I think that particularly the issue of trans participation in sports and what we're talking about is trans women. Right? Like, that's, that's, that's where the space is that we're discussing.

[B]

Oh, yeah, they don't care about trans men.

[A]

No, no, no, no, no. That's not it. Right. It is in many ways, like for this league, a bit of an unwinnable fight. And the reason that I say that is within the league, there seems to be a pretty consensus opinion about what side to be on on this matter. I think it is also very important to note that trans and gay or lesbian are not the same thing. And their interests are not always directly aligned. So you never know who might think, what about this topic. Right. Just throwing that part out there. But the vast majority of Americans agree with Sophie Cunningham. Right. All things related to trans people require what I consider to be very complex explanations about what is going on. And to most people, it is a common sense thing. We don't let boys and girls play sports together. And just the other day you said this person was a boy, and now they're, you're, you're Saying they're a girl. What's the difference? Right? There are explanations that people can offer. It's not. It's one of those where my brother once told me a great argument is not one a genius can't refute, it's one a fool can't refute. And this is a really tough one to sell to a fool, right? Like, this is. This is. This is really, really hard. And so the league, because of what you described and what it's history, has no choice but to stand 10 toes down on the side that it typically stands with, which puts it in opposition at all times with the majority of people on the other side. And what this issue is to me, and where I think it is kind of historically interesting, I forget what book it was that I read that said that. For a while, the right, like people like Jerry Falwell and them, they kept looking for some issue they could hang their hat on, like post segregation, that they could really rally the troops on the right around. And they threw all this stuff against the wall. And the thing that stuck was abortion. Like, abortion was not a hugely controversial thing prior to the early 1970s. They found out that that was a talking point that really got their base together and kind of got people riled up. And so that leads to the next 50 years of discourse. This is the new one that they threw against the wall. And they found, like, this really gets people charged up. Like, in a very simple sense. A guy I used to work for in radio said, this is like, 15 years ago. But he was right. He was like, to this day, say, Pete Rose shouldn't be in the hall of Fame and watch the phone lines light up. That was our topic. That always lit it up. This is that it gets the people going. And it. And I haven't seen anybody change their mind yet, by the way. Right? Like, it gets the people going. And so the league is stuck in this position where, especially if you have that woman who looks like that and has her background, which is interesting because it's the same background as Michael Porter Jr. In many ways, but that woman sounds like that looks like that throws it out there, you're stuck. And now they putting the microphone in the face of your young star who wants to be all things for all people and is, I think, learning not possible. It's not going to work.

[B]

But my whole issue, bo, is that, like, we keep. You used the word issue like, 10 times. And I'm like, that's the point, is that you guys, this isn't an issue. Like, I'M sorry. And it's not because I agree with

[A]

you, by the way. It is a talking point more than it is an issue.

[B]

It's not an issue because ultimately, like, guys, the majority of Americans that agree with Sophie Cunningham's opinion, it worked like, transgender athletes can't compete in ncaa. They can't compete at the Olympics. They're doing gender testing now in the WTA. Like, it worked like, they are. They are keeping transgender athletes out of these spaces. So, like, what is the argument? Like, what are we still arguing? It's like arguing that they need to pull the Berlin Wall down. They did.

[A]

Yeah. You know what it is?

[B]

It's. I just like. And it's also a non issue, because here's. Here is where I have the most issue with it, is that it is used with the cloak of protecting girls. Because if you can say to someone, we want to protect girls, who wouldn't want to protect girls? Of course. We all want to protect girls. Right. And so when you use it as the guise of we want to protect girls, and so we want to. My issue is it's a new it. Listen, it's a super complex situation, and I don't have any solutions. I don't know the answer. You know, on the surface, the easy answer is start a transgender league, but. But then you look and you go, there are not even enough transgender athletes to start a transgender team, let alone a whole entire league. And that's where I have the hardest time with this. This is not a crisis. This is not an issue that is. That is infiltrating our girls sports. It's not. I sit on a collective bomani with some of the biggest, most powerful women in sports, and our whole goal is, for this year of this collective is to try to get more female coaches in these spaces. Why? Because we did a ton of research, and the research showed that the real existential crisis for women in sports and while girls are dropping out is because they don't feel as valued or important as men's sports, is because they do not have representation that looks like themselves from coaching positions. These are the young girls telling you what the crisis is in women's sports, and it is not transgender athletes, of which most of these girls will never encounter in their entire playing career. And that's my problem, is, if you were to just look at headlines, you would think there is a transgender athlete in the W. There never has been, not in 30 years. And so these are just. We're making mountains out of molehills. Situations that should be nuanced. That should be looked at. And you can do that, guys, because there are so few cases of this. You do have the bandwidth to look at each one of these situations on the surface because there are so few of them. You to act like this is, you know, impacting our daughters everywhere is. Is absurd. I reject that when I was. Because, you know, what is affecting our daughters, you know, it is putting our daughters in real harm are the thousands of sexual assault lawsuits that we see across campuses and that we see amongst coaches and organizations. It's the lack of resources. If you care about protecting girls and women's sports, then why don't you speak out on the countless Title 9 lawsuits that are happening across the country? Like, why aren't those things that you're focused on, if you're truly. You want to focus on the transgender athlete athletes, fine. But why can't you. Also, why do I never see any of these people talking about protecting girls and women's from predatory coaches, from predatory organizations? And why are we not talking about the fact that there are to this day, thousands of Title IX lawsuits that are going around college campuses right now? Because they are not living up to the standard that was set by Title 9.

[A]

When I was doing Game theory, we were going to do a thing on. I think it was Kentucky was passing one of these laws against allowing transgender athletes to participate. On one side, it was the state of Kentucky. On the other side, it was a girl in seventh grade. Literally one.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Like, it was literally the state.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Against one girl. Right. Like, that's the. There's no there there argument. Is the. Is the biggest one. It's just this doesn't come up. Like, I have a buddy of mine who makes the argument that it should be an easy win for the. For the left to just give this one up. But I'm like, but you can't give it up because if you give it up, you give up on the people. And that's the point that people are trying to make. And that's where it becomes. It doesn't matter if you're. How. How much of the minority you are on this issue. If you're the WNBA and its participants, you can't give up on the people. That's not what you do. Right. They just can't be. And then you wind up in the noise strictly because people want to make noise, because they'd rather talk about the noise than they would actually talk about the basketball. Because they don't care about the basketball.

[B]

They do not care. You get a lot more headlines if you make a political statement than if you have 45 points. And we've seen that all year long.

[A]

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[B]

Oh, I bet.

[A]

Let me tell you. Yes.

[B]

It was so many golds. Were there golds everywhere?

[A]

No, no, no. We kind of age past the gold page number. Cause there's a bunch of people my age and old that were in that bad boy. You know what I mean? But it's a lot of dudes that find what you need, boy, which is a woman that'll wrap the UGK with you. Like, it was a. It was a lot of his and hers in there.

[B]

Let's go.

[A]

Yeah, but while I'm there, I look at my phone, and it looked like Monica McNutt went on SportsCenter from the salon and she was getting her feet done. And people decided to make that the thing that they got mad about. And then after those people got mad, people got mad about the fact that the other people got mad. And it just turned into a forever argument.

[B]

Dude, I saw this headline, and I'm not gonna lie, When I see a headline about a friend, I always pause because I know that we always blame the media for their behaviors, but we also have culpability when we click on these things, right? Nobody gives a about your rage engagement or not, or whether you're doing it out of protest. As soon as you engage, you have engaged. And you encourage them to put more dumbass stories out like this because you've engaged that. But the headline was so salacious, I just had to click. The headline was, like, huge controversy after where Monica McNutt does one of her segments. And, like, low key in my head, I was like, oh, my God, Please, God, Monty, tell me that you did this from, like, the gynecologist. You were getting an annual or something. And they're like, wow, I'm getting scoped. Let me give you the scoop. Like, I was just waiting for something so salacious. I was so hopeful. And. And then they said she was getting a pedicure at a nail salon. And I was like, this has got to be a joke. I mean, like, you. This can't actually be real. Only because. And I feel like, listen, this has been debated for days and whatnot. Shout out to Moni. She is a friend. So I understand that some of this is a little bit biased, but I don't think that it is. I've done this for a very long time. TV for a long time. And the whole point of Working at ESPN is your availability. It is. And I have not talked to Moni about this because I think it's so silly. I have no idea if they called her and were like, we want you to come on. We don't care if you're at the nail salon. I don't really know any of the beats of this story, but I know having worked at espn, we have done hits with people at doctor's offices. I did a hit with someone who remained nameless at a funeral. We've had like insiders tell us like, give me one second, I'm in the bath. Like when they want you on TV to respond or react to something. The whole idea is this raw, dirty, wherever you are. FaceTime Dan Orlofsky's FaceTimes from the car with Pat McAfee. So I think it's because she's a woman and because she was doing a very feminine thing. You know, if Monica is like at the park working out, no one gives a but because she's getting her nails done, then all of a sudden she's not being a professional. And I just think it's so silly and absurd.

[A]

I wouldn't have put her on television. That's my thing. If I am producing.

[B]

You wouldn't have put her on TV when you found out she was at the nail sale.

[A]

Yeah, if I'm producing that show. Now I will say this. I've done a lot of hits. I've done a lot of hits in a lot of weird places over the telephone, right?

[B]

Okay, sure.

[A]

The reason why I would not is the whole reason that we're here right now. Right. Like I do think that when it's time, I did not think it was a big deal. Right. Like I didn't think it was anything that should be a days long controversy. But it's like a perfect topic for morning radio. And those are the things that really get social media going are the kind of, kind of things that people talk about on, on the Breakfast. I mean the Breakfast Club, not that show generally. Like there's Breakfast clubs all over the country.

[B]

Oh yeah, there's million breakfast clubs.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. Like this is the kind of topic that would go there. So nah. If I am producing the show and I need you on camera and you're sitting in the. Okay, let me give you a better example. When I wore that T shirt that one time, right. The phone call I got. I've talked about this many times that this isn't new. The phone call I got about the Caucasians T Shirt made the point that all anybody is talking about right now on social media is your shirt and not anything that you have to say right now.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

And I said, you know what? That's a fair point. I'll zip this hoodie up for you. Because that is correct. Right. If I turned on television, I would be thinking more about, wait a minute, she getting her feet done than whatever it is that she's talking about. So I, as the producer, would not have done it. But the decision is that of the producer. It is the producer whose job it is to be like, yeah, you know what? We'll catch you a little bit later. Right. Like, because Also, this is. McAfee is a bad example, but a great example, because I think this is the McAfee occasion of that network. Because McAfee has just had people sitting in cars, sitting wherever. Like, the whole point of that is to not look like a television show. They don't talk like a television show. They cuss like it's not a television show. And not. That whole network has little bits of all of that sprinkled in all over the place. Because the overall standard of presentation for the network has fallen because the biggest star and most powerful man at the network establishes what the culture is.

[B]

Well, I think, too, honestly, I think after Covid, because again, I was there, like, I think ESPN realized, you know, they were spending so much money flying in analysts to do their shows every single week, sending these, you know, we call them TV use, which is like units. You can set your own camera up. They're very expensive. They were doing all of these things, and then Covid happens and they discover that, like, people don't actually really care that much if you've got a gorgeous backdrop and fresh lighting, like, if you're okay with it, they're really just there for the information. And I think the sort of stripped down zoom look of it all. We all spent years on zoom. Like, I think it told them or informed them that, like, people care more about the information than they care about the presentation of it. Obviously, you wouldn't want your main Sports center show to be coming from a nail salon pedicure chair. But, like, if you, you know, if you're getting someone walking into a whatever or saying, it's all good, like, we like that raw sort of dirty thing. So I won't just put that on the feet of Pat McAfee. I do think that, like, the network just got to a place where they're like, we'll, you know, we'll take it instead of having to wait on Monica to finish her pedicure, get to a station, book the station, book a producer, blah, blah. So much easier. Just have a FaceTime, you know? FaceTime.

[A]

There were other places that weren't studios that I think it probably would have played a little bit better. Right. Like, it would have. Where people would not have been like, is that blank? Like, if she was in Central park, for example. Right. They might have been like, oh, what a beautiful day, but it would not have gone there. I was just so shocked at how. Because all of these things become culture wars and they really just become who's on this side of the argument and who's on that side of the argument that nobody could say, like, or have a potential for. Yeah, you know, maybe I wouldn't done that. But it's not that big a deal, Right? Like, everybody's got to dig in. But I admit that I am a bit of a stickler about, like, some of these things. I saw one of my buddies on television wearing sunglasses, doing a hit, and I wanted to call him and be like, hey, man, to quote the great Larry David, only two kinds of people wear sunglasses inside. Blind people and assholes.

[B]

Yeah. You know, this is. This is. Reminds me of a very awkward moment that I had just a couple months ago where I was doing that thing where I just unsolicited offer up one of my hot takes. And one of my hot takes was. I think there's nothing douchier in the world than people that wear sunglasses indoors. I think it's so douchey. I do. The person I said that to, I could tell right away that they do it. And they were like, well, if it is, like, compliments an outfit or sometimes you just want to. I'm like, oh, do you do that? I'm so sorry. But I'm not sorry. I stand by everything I said. It's ibo am so old school that even if I'm outdoors and I'm wearing sunnies, if you start talking to me, I'm going to take them up. Because I was always taught to look people in the eye. It's very rud rude when someone's talking to you to not look them in the eye. So I'm with you. Like, sunglasses inside is just so awkward to me. To me, it's the physical version of speaking in third person.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, no, that is. That is the best way to put that. Like, it is. And they never gonna wear no glasses inside. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no. Sunglasses inside is just not a. Like, unless you do with the super bowl shuffle. Right. Like, it's not. It's. It's not the. It's. It's. It's not the group. But I'm that guy. Like, this is like. I just think there's certain ways you should go about. I also think something happened. The COVID point, I think, is very interesting because I think that it did change things for a period of time because the context made people a bit more acceptable of what was going on. Like, this show moved to my house with Kobe, for example. Right. But I would also make the argument that, like, Covid allowed me to wear my hair out in 2022. But by 2023, I had to come back home. I was getting. People were giving me a little bit of leeway in 2021, and even in 2022, that was long gone by 2022.

[B]

So the COVID pass is over, is it?

[A]

Yeah, the COVID pass ended. Right. You used to be able to get on TV not shaving and shit. Everything else because you couldn't go, no, no, no. The context change. And I think some of that is also come in with a bit of the, like, production value stuff. For example, the production set up on this show since I came to wave is much different than it was when I was at espn. And the big thing was if we increase the production value, it becomes easier to sell, and it does, in fact, turn up numbers. Like, people are inclined to look at it and say, oh, this looks like more of a professional operation. You'll find people in the YouTube comments who will be critical of the fact that I am shooting this at home. And I'm like, buddy, we have. This is an actual factual studio. Like, yes, it is at home, but it's not like I'm sitting here with a laptop. But. But people's standards have again gone. And then we started. We saw people started going back to these studios. Now I am amazed by these regular motherfuckers that got these podcasts that like 87 people listen to, and they are sitting in an actual factual studio doing them. Like, that's where I say that covert part is over. And I still don't know who's paying for all these podcasts, have no idea who's paying for all these podcasts that nobody's listening to.

[B]

Well, I mean, nobody's paying for them. It's very easy, you know, if you

[A]

go into a studio. Somebody paying for the studio.

[B]

Sure. Well, they're paying for it. They're just self financing. It's like you start a production Company, which is very easy to do, start an escort. And then everything that you buy for your production company is a write off. So essentially, you know, they're able to self fund these things and they do like, there's been some podcasts that catch me. I'm like, this looks so professional. And you think it's like this big. And then you realize they have, you know, 250 listeners and you're like, wow. But they, they fool you. And then on the other hand, you see some podcasts that like do really well and it's just a zoom box. It's a zoom toolbox. I don't know what the sweet stuff spot is in terms of production value, but I'll lean on you as someone that's been doing your own thing for a long time that like people do care about how it looks more so than just, you know, the sort of raw dirtiness of look at me, you know, I'm, I'm here and like I'm

[A]

doing content, but I have to. You just said about those people self funding their podcast. So it made me think about something. Oh, okay. This is going to sound dark in the beginning, but I promise it's not okay. So like when you will watch them documentaries or them shows or read them stories about Aaron Hernandez, Patience. The dude, Odin Lloyd, rest in peace. He played on like the football team. It was just him and his partners and they, you know, they got in pads and they played tackle football. I forget the name of the team, but it was made very. And all the stories, as they built the story of Odin Lloyd, they just talked about like how important it was for him to have this team. And they, they were really talking about that team like it was the packers. Like they was really loaded up on it. And I was like, brother, I cannot imagine loving football enough to get out there and play tackle football for the fucking love of the game. As a grownup, you and other grownups are out here injuring and maiming other, playing tackle football for no other reason than fun. I can't imagine wanting to do it so bad to pay that price. And that is how I feel about the idea of these people self funded these podcasts. I cannot imagine football, I do. So bad to spend your own money to do it your own. Like, I mean, spend your own money. Like if you got a home set up, right, and you just, you know, we just getting this thing going, maybe you invest in some time or whatever it is, but like you said, go into an actual studio, like you love this more than me and Now I need to go look in the mirror and ask myself what kind of man I am, because clearly I'm not. I'm not nearly as gangster about my shit as I thought I was.

[B]

Yeah, well, something's clearly missing from your life. I don't know. I feel like tackle grown man tackle football. Like, maybe not even as bad as, like, grown man rugby, because I'm with you. I'm like, you know, beer league softball teams, it's like, yeah, for all of us after leads, like, that's the sweet spot. It's a little bit competitive, but you can literally still drink beer while you're doing it. It's not that physical, and it's fun camaraderie and hanging out, but the people that choose, like, real sports, like, physical contact sports for love of the game, is so absurd to me. I'm like, you are? How do you explain that? Like, I'm 50 and I tore my ACL because I was playing rugby with the chaps.

[A]

Hey, look, man, I have spent the vast majority of my adult life simply trying not to be injured. And I was so mad at myself. I was trying to ride a mountain bike in the Dolomites in June, and I fell off, landed, broke a bone in my wrist, right? Yeah, yeah. But, like, I'm a gito. It happened. And that day, that same day, I hiked like 9 1/2 miles and 50 flights, according to the phone. And for those of you who need context on this, it was kind of like that time to played in the Super Bowl. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's how I felt. At least I was out there thugging it out. It was a long day. I got lost, all that stuff, right? But my whole thing. And for those asking what happened? I was on an E motor mountain bike and I was going down a hill and I needed to hit the downshift button to help me slow down, and I accidentally hit the other button. And so I started going faster and I hit the brake and I felt like I went over the handlebars. Like, I don't know exactly what happened, but boom, I hit the ground and I was like, damn, here I am injured and it's been a real fucking hassle to be a single man with a broken right wrist trying to get stuff done at my house.

[B]

Righty too, right? Yes.

[A]

Yes. I never wanted lifetime companionship more in my life that I'm watching them dishes just stack up. Because washing dishes with nothing but your left hand, it's a tough break, man. Try to try to clean the bathtub with just your left hand. Like all those things. It was. It was. It was not good, right. I went to goddamn summer league and I had one of them braces on, right? And that's a dap intensive environment, man. I was having to hit people with the real slow. Tried adapt to let him know because I was winding up in some awkward moments. I saw plexigo burris outside the park MGM and he ain't see what happened. And it went to the DAP. And buddy, strong hands you got there, Mr. Wide Receiver. Ed Stefanski, former general manager of the Sixers. I think he works for the Suns. I saw him in the elevator and he didn't see like a man that. That would understand the depth. So I just went with the handshake.

[B]

Oh, that hurts too. I'm sure it was tough.

[A]

It was real tough. It was real tough. And I'm saying all that to say and ACL tear is a grow up. Like, I can't believe y' all are hooping and have not transitioned to golf.

[B]

Is it awkward when you're a grownup and you have to explain injuries like that? Because undoubtedly someone looks at your wrist and they go, what happened? And you're like, I fell off a bike.

[A]

Not only that.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

It's that the assumption, and I think this is maybe as a. Okay. The assumption if you are a man and you have these injuries, is that you must have been doing something stupid.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

For sure, right.

[B]

Parkour.

[A]

Yes. Yes. An injured woman. Under these circumstances, it is a much different level of concern, if you understand what I'm saying. People trying to figure out how to

[B]

doing something brave for your children. When you broke your wrist, weren't you. Yeah.

[A]

People trying to figure out the thing without saying the thing, you know, like so. So. But it's. Everything's good. Like, you're. You're fine. You're. You know, how's. How are things that everything's at the house is okay. Cool. But yeah, I just don't want to get injured. And so when people are actively in for real athletic activity as grown ups, you got to see nuestros hermanos al parque jugando baseball in los fines de semana in the Parques in New York City. Who Boy, them boys be taking that baseball seriously out there. It's like a real baseball game.

[B]

Oh, for sure.

[A]

I always imagine. I can't imagine how they. Women complain about how they ain't got money for X, Y and Z, but they got them jerseys and them bats and everything else. And they got to go sit out there 100 degrees and cheer for these motherfuckers like it's the National League championship series.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I'm like, I see a lot of room for injury in these games, brother.

[B]

My sister is 49 years old and she still plays on, like a softball team. That, by the way, is so competitive that she said to me the other day, yeah, in a few weeks we'll be headed to nationals. I was like, I'm sorry, there's a nationals for 50 year old women that play softball. What? And I think, like, that's why it's, it's, it's funny because that's why I think there's this big move towards pickleball. But pickleball is sneaky because people tell you you can play as a three year old and you can play as a 99 year old, but because of that, there is no stretching involved in pickleball. And I have had a couple pickleball matches where I've seen someone tear an Achilles or a.

[A]

That's my biggest fear.

[B]

Brain. A knee. Because they don't. Because they still are ultra competitive about it, but they don't do any stretching and then they shred their quads open.

[A]

Biggest fear is Achilles chair is my biggest fear. Biggest fear. Let me tell you this. Like, do you. I know because you played softball when you were younger, right? Do you got that dog in you?

[B]

Oh, yeah, okay.

[A]

I, I ain't really got that dog in me. I have that dog in me about certain things. It takes a lot for you to push me to the like. Like, I am a. I'm a like, steady, determined type, right? But I really got that dog in me. I don't care that much about. I used to have that dog in me. And I realized it wasn't making me happy. And so I kind of was like, yeah, you just gotta, gotta, like, do your best, be happy with that, so forth and so on.

[B]

Is there nothing that gets you crazy competitive though, Bo?

[A]

Oh, there are things it just, it takes a lot to get me. Got you a place, right? But once I'm there, you know, if there's some level of insult. Insult that has taken place, there it is.

[B]

If you feel condescension, you're going to eviscerate.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now we got to go. But my mama. Oh, my mama got that dog in her, right? Like I grew up. And people who talk about growing up in a house with their parents, let them win. I don't know nothing about that. Joneses do not Traffic in that. Like that dog come out in them Scrabble games. Like we ain't played one in a while. But like, that's, you know, it goes there. So anyway, my mother, this is 20 something years ago. She is in her 60s when this happens, or late 50s, not sure which. She was playing softball on the team. My mother's a dean of business at Alabama A and M, and I think it was the business school had a team in the softball league or whatever. I feel like I also received this call. I can't remember, but it may have just been my brother. Right. And now that I think about it, I think this is the 90s. I think I was in college because I feel like I received this as an answering machine message. My mother is at bat and she got a hold of one. She turned on it, hit that thing to the outfield. She gets the first base, she rounds second, she pulls her hamstring and she lands. And I want to say she dislocated her shoulder or some similar injury. Right?

[B]

Oh, that's so painful.

[A]

Yeah. Like, I know my dad had a thing where he got in a car wreck and he broke his ankle and I think either broke something to separate his shoulder, like on opposite sides. Right. So he had to be in the wheelchair. You couldn't even crush it up. But anyway, my mom had something similar to that. And she called. I think she called me too, but she called my brother from the. From the ambulance because I think they took her in the ambulance. And I also think they gave us some dope. Right. Because these are seriously painful injuries.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

That we're talking about. And she explains to us that she got a hold of that pitch that she went around first and then she tripped and then she fell. But the thing that she wanted us to know, that she made it to second base.

[B]

Let's go.

[A]

She. She was safe too. She got to second base. Now, I don't know if the fact that she got to second base safely is because those people were being nice and did not tag her out like I would have, but she got the second base. And I just say all that to say Barbara Jones got that dog in her.

[B]

I love that. Like, I. I think there is nothing better than the competitive nature that compels you to still try to get to the base, even though, yes, your body is breaking down in front of you. Like, good for her. She's like, I had a singular focus which was to get to that. Damn it, I was gonna do it.

[A]

My all time Kobe thing is, he made Those free throws after he tore his Achilles, he made the free throws and walked off. The most impressive thing that he ever did. Right. But yeah, finding out. Cause my mother's a very nice woman. She's just a very nice woman with that dog in her. You know, Mina Kimes, Mina Kimes got that dog in her. I don't know everything she says in ping pong, ping pong brings the dog out of her. But like you can, you can hear when she tells the stories. It's like, well, the dog is. Dog is right.

[B]

The dog is right there. I don't know that. I, I think in general I'm like pretty competitive. Like I, I'm that person that sees the feel good social media stories where they're like, this track star fell down and this one guy could have passed him to win, but he stopped and carried him to the finish line. I'm always like, boo. Like you should have, you should have ran past him and then came back and helped him after he won. But I find that like my kids are crazy, crazy competitive. And I, I keep being told like, you don't want to squash competitive spirit and little kids, it's like much better to have that than the alternative, which is a kid that has no competitive bone at all. But in our house, it can get really bad because my parents are really competitive. So when we're like in the backyard just playing stickball with our kids, like my dad's running over my five year old son. Like we do not play when it comes to any games. We all want to win, like all of us.

[A]

So in our house is smarty pants games.

[B]

Ah, gotcha.

[A]

And so like I remember when I was a teenager, Jeopardy. No, the family. Oh no. Ain't nobody can't nobody with me on. At least they couldn't. I don't, I don't. I ain't got it no more. I'm out of practice.

[B]

There it is.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But on that, yeah, on that, they wouldn't rush. Get the out of here. Wasn't nobody, wasn't nobody doing that. But we discovered Taboo as a family in my teenage years. And so the thing about Taboo though was my brother and sister, who are, my brother's 13 years older than me, my sister's 10 years older than me, they had a hack, which is they grew up together.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So their ability to deviate off the card was amazing. And they loved playing Taboo. But then I got a little older and I remember me and my brother wound up on the team against my sister and one of her other English major friends and somebody else. We had a different hack on our team, which was rap music. Right. Black people are the cheat code for Taboo because the game is culturally biased. So there are. The words that we might use are simply not going to be on the card. Right. So we getting head in the book without crashing it. Whip, keep it going right? Like this. This is what we can do. I played a game of Taboo with my sister since then, and that was nearly 30 years ago.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

The hack had been discovered. She has. You know, I don't really like playing that game that much anyway. I'm just not competitive.

[B]

Yeah. And that's the thing, is that competitive people will pretend like they're not competitive, but it's just because it's something that they're not good at and they know they have no shot of winning. And that's. The ultra, ultra competitive person is someone that won't even try if they don't think they have a real shot.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Or.

[A]

Or you just gotta. If you are that person, you gotta regulate the level of investment that you have that you would. That you're gonna put into this, because otherwise, man, just gonna be mad just for the sake of being mad. Like, I. I know it's in me. There are a lot of things that are in me that. You know what? Sometimes we just gotta tamp that down, Keep it cool. You know what it means? Like, do you like a good escape room?

[B]

Ugh. Not really.

[A]

Oh, man. I love a good escape room.

[B]

Not really. I do.

[A]

I'm a great escape room teammate, though, because I understand, like, the larger group dynamics. And as long as everybody can assign themselves a task. But there's nothing worse. When you go to the escape room and you get other people who misunderstood. I imagine in their crew, they're the escape room leaders in their crew.

[B]

Problem. I'm too type a boat. And I can't just. I can't just feel confident that you're doing your role to get us out of this room. I'm going to want to go double check your shit. And then, like, so it's just. It's too much. Some people can't delegate in those rooms. I don't feel I need the control.

[A]

I actually think that they're a great study. And people typically figure it out. Like, somebody got to go chop up these vegetables. You know what I mean? Go. Go get everything set up for. For. But the. The chef. Chefs, we over here. You understand what I'm saying? I think that people can often figure it out very quickly. But then you get in the escape room and you find the people who be like, yeah, this guy was telling me he had gone to an escape hospital. He get deep in the escape room game. I love a good escape room, though

[B]

that's not my thing at all. You're an escape room guy. I would not have thought you to be. Are you a puzzles guy? Like you Sudoku and cross crosswords and

[A]

I, I am crossword Sudoku, kind of, but not really. But I am crossword. I play the spelling bee every morning. I play the wordle. I play the connections game and a sports connection game. Yeah, I actually was a speaker at a puzzle convention in Mohawk, New York a couple years ago.

[B]

Wait, there's a puzzle convention?

[A]

There's a puzzle convention. Boy, I had a very good time there. Now, let's be clear. I was by far the coolest there, there's, there's. There's no disputing that part. But I also met a couple that had a website called Escape Room artist dot com, I believe, and they go check out escape rooms all around the world. Their presentation was incredible. I learned a whole lot about escape rooms from talking to them. And the next time I go to the Netherlands, the Netherlands apparently has the bomb escape rooms. I would like to try one of those there. Now, my solo travel thing makes that a little difficult, you understand what I'm saying? But, but I enjoy. Yeah, I like, I like getting my logic on in there in those sorts of settings.

[B]

Wow, that's a great point. What do you like? If you wanted to hit one of these fire escape rooms, but you were traveling solo, would you like, stand outside like a solicitor and try to team up with other people? Would you like Reddit post?

[A]

That's the thing. The question I would have is because normally you do the escape room. There's a large. There's like a group of people, right? Like you and then others. So if I could be certain that other people were going to be there, yeah, I'd pull up by myself, no problem. And I guarantee you this, by the time it was over, they be saying ii when I told them, do something. You know what I mean? Hey, go get that. Check that out. I, I Captain, you know what I'm saying? Like that, that. I bet you it would go down like that.

[B]

Let me ask you this. If it was possible that you could do it alone, is it an accomplishment or is it kind of pathetic to do an escape room by yourself?

[A]

I'll do just about anything by myself. Like, that's the thing. I've been. I've been all over the world by myself. I've spent time in four different continents by myself. I'll go anywhere by myself. However, I have had that exact thought. I have wondered that, like, you pull up to the escape room for Dolo. What that look like?

[B]

Yeah. Because I think solo traveling is such a thing. Like, when I got older, I would force myself to go and take myself out to dinner by myself and, like, go to a movie by myself. I. I'm with you on all that. But I. I do. I do wonder if you go to an escape room by yourself, if you become that guy who, like, to all the workers there, like, you're like that pathetic guy that is back at the escape room by himself.

[A]

Like, so here's what. So here's what I would think about that. I think that if a lot of people pulled up like that, they would think that. I think they would be a little more confused by the fact that it was me. Like, I'm sure they have a lot of people who do that. And the resemblance between me.

[B]

They look like the prototype.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That resemblance might not exactly be it. The other point that I would like to make is. And I mean, there's no nice way to say this.

[B]

Uh, oh,

[A]

Yes. Person that works at the escape room, judge me. Keep going. Say more. Let me know when it's my turn to go. Dude,

[B]

you literally read my mind. As I was saying it, I was like. I mean, at the end of the day, I will say that is my. It can sound snobby or condescending or any of those things. It doesn't come from that place. I worked in retail. I did all those jobs too. But there is nothing that grinds my gears more than when you go into a luxury spot or a whatever type of spot, and the people that work there judge you based on whether they think you can afford to shop there. And I'm like, you can't fucking afford to shop here. Why are you judging me?

[A]

You work here, let me tell you,

[B]

is not Bergdorf Goodman.

[A]

Let me tell you, no matter what.

[B]

Why are you judging me? Why you being a snob to me? Like, not to sound like Pretty Woman, but, like, big mistake. I'm just saying. And, like, it's always befuddled the mind when you're in these luxury spaces, luxury hotels, whatever. I've been fortunate enough to be in those. I know you have too. And the people are snobby to you.

[A]

I'm like, see, I'll be noticing. I can't. I Can't notice nothing, though. I will tell you, this guy, this is going to sound so 1%, but one benefit of using a travel agent is it cuts down on a lot of that.

[B]

Oh, the shenanigans.

[A]

Yeah. Because there's somebody, there's some intermediary that is vouch for you in some form fashion, and they can't, you know, like. Like you kind of get that. But look, no matter what it is, not even on that luxury, it could be on low, whatever it is. At the end of the day, the thing that is going to be the same when I walk in here and when I walk out of here is I am always going to be me and you are always going to be you. No matter what that means. No matter who you are, no matter how you choose to interpret that, that is the immutable fact. Like, nobody can ever make me feel shaky on any of that stuff. Because no matter what it is, I am who I am and you are who you are. And both of us gonna have to deal with that. That was LeBron. Hey, man, after this, I'm gonna go back to my life. You gonna go back to your life? And all them hit dogs started screaming all over the place. He said we was broke. Nah, your broke ass just don't know how you gonna pay the rent. He didn't say that. It was at the top of your mind, right? Like, I've been meditating. And it is interesting to meditate because what you learn is what your background apps are. Like, the thoughts that you drift to. Like, I learned that I have unplanned things. That's what runs in the back. Those. Those are the background apps for me is try to go like, set. Oh, I got something to do this weekend. Something to figure out, right? That's what I do. Some of y' all background apps, boy, man, they be setting off that virus scan. You understand what I'm saying? They be. They be. They be corrupting your hard drives, boy. And that's what happened when LeBron did that. Like, some people show up and they be sending them. Sending people background apps haywire. That's what happens when you walk in that nice place and that man and man or woman start talking. You crazy. Every time I went, I bought the Rolex. God, I know how this sounds, but anyway, I would just tell this story and then we'll go. So is when I lived in Miami and it was the first time I had gotten like a capital C contract, I would say. And so I decided I was going to go get a Watch. So it's New Year's Eve 2016. I'm with my girlfriend at the time, and we walk in to the Rolex store, and it's this woman and it's this man. And the man elbowed the woman when I walked in, like, you got this one? So I get in there and I look at a watch. It's a very nice watch. And the woman says to me, oh, you're looking at that watch. I was like, yeah, tell me about that. She says, yes, that is very nice. It only comes in the platinum. And I was like, how much does this cost? He said that there's 89,000, 80, $84,000. I was like, hey, what about that watch? Like, I was trying to, like, pivot without, like, you know, giving the game away, right? I'm like, ooh, I didn't. I didn't know that's how much these things cost. And then I, like, got back into the family of ones that, like, seemed like a thing to me, and I wound up making the purchase. And so they do this obnoxious thing at the Rolex store when you buy a watch. They say, congratulations. I'm like, I'm not the one getting a commission. Right. You know, and so they're like, congrats. So that's what they do. They say, congratulations, man. First person say congratulations to me was elbow man. He's walked past me because they also. They bring you a glass of champagne, of course. So elbow man's like, congratulations. That could have been your money. Big dog. Big.

[B]

Hit him back with that pretty woman. Big mistake. You work off commission, right? Big mistake.

[A]

I'm just saying, if I worked at a watch store in Miami and a 6 foot 3 black man walked in looking for a watch, I would assume maybe he hooped or did something like that. Yeah, all the time. Somebody asked me if I play basketball, and it's not you. You ain't sure. You. You ain't about this money.

[B]

But my thing is, Bo, like, you don't even have to make any assumptions in a job like that. You are maybe making a couple of sales a week because it's just right. Like, that's not. People don't come in and buy Rolexes. You're not selling five, six rollies a day. It's just not happening. And so you should treat every single person as potential commission because you don't know when that next commission is coming. So ultimately. But I will say there is nothing more humbling than, like, being that person that's like, yeah, you know I got a little bit of money. Like, I. I, like, let me build up my confidence. I belong at this store. You know, people, in their judgment, I belong at this bitch. I could buy this bitch. Then you walk in and you start looking at price tags and you're like, oh, my God. Nope.

[A]

Look. That's what living for. My living in Miami for four years was correct. I always tell this story. I lived on 50th and Collins. I lived in Miami. And I could look across the Intracoastal Waterway, and there were the houses, right? Cause that's, you know, there's the people at the condos, and then money's in the houses. The houses aren't on the beach, though. The houses are on the waterway. And I saw this cat, Matt, across the way, man, his boat. Man, that boat was fire. And I. I would look, wake up every morning, and I could look at my. Look at that boat from my balcony. And then I would think about every day how that guy would get up. And when he went out on his porch, he wasn't looking at that boat. He was looking at that next man's boat that was just shitting all over his boat. It was a whole different class of caliber of boat that that man had over there. And it was a metaphor for life. Man, you never keep up.

[B]

Ever.

[A]

You can never keep up. Like, if that's your goal, if that's what you try to prove, you'll never prove it. Cause somebody gonna test you in the next stop you make.

[B]

I, you know, I go to this conference every year in Sun Valley, which is, like, the wealthiest of the wealthy. Of the wealthy. They're allowed to go. I only go because, like, I do panels. It's not because I'm a person of note, but when you talk about. There's always someone that has more. I'll never forget being at, like, a dinner. And, like, of course, I'm flying domestic with my family. You know, we're flying Delta to Boise and then driving two and a half hours to Sun Valley. And I'm sitting at this table with all of these people, and I'm like, when? When are you guys getting out of here? Tomorrow? Because it's the last night. And they're like, we'll probably. I don't know, we'll figure it out maybe sometime after lunch. And I'm remembering, these motherfuckers all fly private. They don't have a time that they leave. They just leave whenever they want. And I'm over here, like, we leave at 3:05pm to make our 5:15 bus. But then to your point, at the same table, the conversation starts. I am now excluded from this conversation. This is private jet conversation. And the people amongst them start talking, and they're like, well, we got to get out of here before this guy does, because his jet is bigger. And the rule of thumb is at private airports, bigger, the jet first in line. If you got a big boy, you get to go first. And so they were all talking about their strategy of when to leave so that they could get out before the big jet decided to make their way to the Runway, at which point they would have to all wait. And I'm like, so not only do some of these people own private planes, but then there is a hierarchy of those that own private planes. Yes, you have a jet. It's like. It is absurd.

[A]

When I first got on at espn, I had dinner with a very prominent person at the network, whom I will leave unnamed. And that person was explaining to me how he had been told when he got on, don't buy the house that you can afford. Buy the house that you want because you're gonna be able to afford it. And he talks about how he instead bought the house that he could afford and how he regretted it and wished that he had bought the house that he wanted. And his lesson to me was to buy the house that you wanted. And I want to be clear, that was the worst advice anybody ever gave me, and I did not take it. And that is the best decision I ever made, was to not take that ridiculous advice. The fuck are you talking about? Like, my mind still isn't in this place.

[B]

I need you to text me right now who that was so that I can laugh at the.

[A]

I'll tell you this, though, when I tell you, and just for people, it's not who they think I'm talking about.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But you're going to see it and be like, ah, yeah, I could see it. Right, right, right.

[B]

Really?

[A]

I mean, it work for him.

[B]

It worked out 100%. Yes. That advice from him totally makes sense, because this person is a person that has had so much longevity.

[A]

Not a straight line.

[B]

No.

[A]

Like it was. People be saying wild shit. That's all I got to say.

[B]

Some of the advice.

[A]

Right, right. And now as I put down my glass, where my pinky has been up, as we have gone through this entire discussion, though, I did try to humble myself in it. This is Elle Duncan, whom you can find at Netflix Sports doing amazing, super cool things, whom I need to catch up with and whom I am always so glad and grateful that she gives us her time. I appreciate you.

[B]

I love you, Beau. You're the absolute best. Catch me on Iowa. I'll be hanging out in a cornfield in Iowa next week.

[A]

Oh, you feel the dreaming.

[B]

Field of dreams. So check us out next week if you can.

[A]

Boy, I tell you, we gonna. I can't wait for your memoirs about the first year of the Netflix tour.

[B]

Oh, the places I've seen.

[A]

Oh yes. Oh yes. There we go. Thank you so much. And ladies and gentlemen. Thank you, darling. Ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us here on the Right Time. We do this a couple times a week during the summer. Mike McQuaid's handling everything behind the scenes scenes. Thank you, sir. Hit the voicemail line. 323-596-7767. Remember, follow the right time. Subscribe like, Rate us, Review us. Give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. We'll talk to you guys in a couple of days. Take it easy. Summer is here. And what feels more like summer than a brand new pair of shades from Sunglass Hut? Sunglass Hut has a wide range of brands and styles to fit any mood you're in. Sunglass Hut offers a premium shopping experience you won't get anywhere else with expert guidance from shades experts at Sunglass Hut. You can find the styles you love now with prescription lenses thanks to the availability of Sun RX in selected stores. With a wide variety of color lenses in different styles, authentic lenses available as well. Customers can easily add their vision correction to the frames they love with lenses starting at $100. Our all in one care kits are designed to protect your shades and keep you looking on point. Come to the store for free spray refills too, and free in store cleaning and adjustments anytime. Visit Sunglass Hut and find your perfect pair of shades for summer. Sunglass Hut Own your moment.