Domonique Foxworth discusses Draymond Green crossing the line with Charles Barkley | 05.07

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The Right Time with Bomani Jones
Episode: Domonique Foxworth discusses Draymond Green crossing the line with Charles Barkley | 05.07
Date: May 7, 2026
Host: Bomani Jones | Guest: Dominique Foxworth

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on Draymond Green’s controversial on-air comment to Charles Barkley, exploring the fine line between playful banter and mean-spiritedness in sports media. Bomani and Dominique analyze not only Draymond’s recent spats (with both Barkley and Austin Rivers), but also how personality, trust, and context affect sports commentary. The episode also delves into Ted Turner’s legacy following his passing and closes with a discussion on scandals currently surrounding the New England Patriots.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Draymond Green vs. Charles Barkley: Crossing the Line

• Background: Draymond Green, during "Inside the NBA," responded harshly to Barkley’s comment about aging teams not winning, quipping “The goal is to not look like you did when you played for Houston” ([05:34]).
• Bomani frames the exchange as a case of intent-vs-impact: Draymond meant a joke, but it came out mean and fell flat because it lacked camaraderie.

  “When it came out, he was DMX, told a joke, and nobody laughed. And you know why? Because it wasn’t funny. It was just mean.” – Bomani Jones ([05:51])

• The pair discuss why long-standing chemistry among the TNT crew means they can rib each other, but Draymond, "not one of the crew," doesn't have this leeway.
• Comparison: Hypothetically, if Draymond had taken a shot at Shaq's Celtics years, Shaq would have clapped back. Charles, by contrast, just let the moment hang, making Draymond look even worse.

Notable Quotes:

• “The women in San Antonio are willing to yuck it up with Charles about him calling him big and everything else, because somehow Charles can do that and not be mean. This just landed as mean.” – [05:34] (Bomani)
• “That’s the big one...we don’t play like that with you.” – [08:18] (Foxworth)
• “Charles did the best possible thing, though...he just let it sit there, and it made it look worse and uncomfortable. And Draymond had to power through.” – [10:40] (Foxworth)

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2. Draymond Green, Austin Rivers, and the Limits of Banter

• Draymond’s harsh social media exchange with Austin Rivers is recapped. Draymond belittled Rivers’ career, making himself look worse in the process.

  “It is difficult to make Austin Rivers more likable than you are...Draymond Green managed to do that in his back and forth with Austin Rivers.” – [04:52] (Bomani)

• Foxworth notes the difference between playful jabs and outright denigration.

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3. Draymond Green’s Comments on Steve Kerr

• Draymond’s podcast comments suggesting Steve Kerr "hindered" his offensive development are explored ([12:53]).
• Bomani contextualizes these remarks, noting it's common for NBA players to believe they could've been more if used differently.

  “As much as he’s done for me in basketball, a part of me thinks he’s hindered me in my career and what I could have become…I don’t hold that against him.” – [16:46] (Draymond, quoted by Bomani)

• Foxworth and Bomani agree Draymond likely overestimates alternative career outcomes—there’s little evidence he could’ve landed better than he did, highlighting the role of luck.

Quote on Overachieving & Perspective:

• “I don’t think anybody has done more with what they had than Draymond Green.” – [18:58] (Bomani)
• “You’re a Hall of Famer, bro. You weren’t hindered.” – [17:46] (Foxworth)

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4. What Works in Sports Media: Tone, Trust, and "Mean" Energy

• The art of trash talk and the threshold of meanness: Why Charles Barkley is beloved even when roasting people, while Draymond comes off as mean-spirited.
• Shaq and Charles can poke fun at themselves and each other, and it’s fun because there’s history and trust—which Draymond hasn’t earned.

  “No, people don’t want mean. Like, Shaq’s problem is that he can be very mean...But Draymond is mean.” – [25:13] (Bomani)

• Bomani and Dominique reflect on their own public personas, noting how intention and self-awareness is crucial in media.

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5. Ted Turner: The Last “Fun” Billionaire

• With Ted Turner’s passing, Bomani recounts his wild anecdotes and genuine idiosyncrasy (e.g., spinning the gun in negotiations – [37:19]).
• Turner’s willingness to do things his way, for better or worse, set him apart from today’s billionaire class.

  “He was a bold man with ideas…you can’t really downplay it.” – [44:59] (Bomani)

• They highlight Turner’s genuine impact on media (launching CNN, supporting UN, owning Atlanta sports) and his affinity for Atlanta’s diverse community.

Notable Quotes:

• “Innovation and amazingness and progress happens at the fringes of society and with fringe people…but all the amazing and surprising negative stuff, it also comes from them same motherfuckers.” – [39:04] (Foxworth)
• “You know what, it’s that he started as a kind of rich…and in order to get his bread, he had to do daring carnival barker kinds of things.” – [44:59] (Bomani)

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6. Culture, Scandal, and the Changing NFL

• The Patriots’ current off-field drama: Mike Vrabel as coach, the scandal with Diana (implies relationship issues with public fallout), and what’s next for both.
• Bomani and Foxworth note the difference in how male and female figures recover (or struggle to recover) in sports media/public eye.
• Discussion of the league’s evolving (and sometimes performative) responses to scandal.

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Memorable and Notable Moments

• “The right time is a championship operation” – Bomani on having the Larry O’Brien trophy in the studio ([01:21])
• Dominique’s humor about “sideways hating” and the degrees of Joel Anderson’s (good-natured) jealousy ([02:14])
• Shaq self-deprecation vs. “you don’t get to joke about Shaq if you’re not in the crew” ([10:03])
• Reflection on how trust—built over time and experience—is crucial for “going there” in public media ([29:50])
• “If on one side is everybody and on the other side is you, chances are you are the person that needs to move toward the norm.” – [28:02] (Bomani)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Draymond/Charles Barkley Exchange: [03:13] – [11:23]
• Draymond on Steve Kerr: [11:23] – [18:29]
• NBA athletes/the luck factor: [18:29] – [19:36]
• Sports media, “mean” energy, and trust: [24:58] – [30:51]
• Ted Turner stories & legacy: [36:31] – [49:46]
• Patriots, Vrabel, and scandal: [50:05] – [57:08]

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Conclusion/Tone

This episode is a masterclass in the nuanced analysis of sports personalities and sports media, blending sharp humor, storytelling, and behind-the-scenes insights. Bomani’s and Dominique’s rapport allows them to dissect sensitive issues—like the pitfalls of being “mean” on TV and the complicated public-private lives of sports figures—without losing the show’s conversational, engaging style.

If you missed the episode, this summary will bring you up to speed on both headline sports drama and the deeper mechanics that make (or break) voices in sports media.

Transcript

[Dominique Foxworth]

Wave.

[Bomani Jones]

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time. A Wave original. My name is Bomani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. If you. It's Thursdays with Dominique Foxworth. What's going on, man?

[Dominique Foxworth]

What's up, man? A lot of. There's lots of reasons to hate you right now. One really big reason. Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

You know what I'm saying? I apologize to Emmy. She in the back. But right now, Larry got to take priority. The NBA dropped the Larry o' Brien trophy off with us right now. Dominique. It come in a Tiffany bag, and what you can't see is that they got all the teams that have been champions. They names is down here in the. In the trophy, like, going around.

[Dominique Foxworth]

That's pretty dope. What? I. I feel like it's super cool to have it on your desk, take a picture, hold into Larry. But like you at Harlem, I feel like you gotta take it outside, you know?

[Bomani Jones]

That's a great idea. Two points on that. Number one, Larry is heavy.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Yeah, he's heavy.

[Bomani Jones]

Larry is not mine.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

And number three, most important, the man that brought Larry is sitting on the other side of that wall to make sure nobody does anything silly with Larry. But I can see myself right here, and then Emmy over there with Larry. Like, it's a. It's a. It's a great shot that we got here with Larry, but everybody let everybody know that it's serious in the field right here. The right time is a championship operation.

[Dominique Foxworth]

I love it. Congratulations to the right time on being the home to the Larry for a little bit. It's awesome, man. It's pretty cool. We saw it last year. It's pretty heavy.

[Bomani Jones]

I was about to say shout out to Dominique's decency for not mentioning the day it actually had it the year before, but if I waited just a little while longer, it was gonna come up.

[Dominique Foxworth]

I just said. I said saw it. I said, we saw it.

[Bomani Jones]

Oh, I wasn't even gonna be mad, by the way.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Oh, yeah. No, no, no. That's. That's some sideways hating. No, like, to be like a man is happy myself. Oh, I've been. Did that.

[Bomani Jones]

You look bad. Like, I want you to guess who I sent a picture of this to, whose response was, yo, what the hell?

[Dominique Foxworth]

As. I mean, the one and only. It's got to be Joe, right?

[Bomani Jones]

Well, it was. What? Yeah, it was. Well, the first text was what the hell? The next one was, yo, what the fuck? Now, I think the yo, what the fuck? Might have been tied to something that came after it, but it's difficult to tell from the timing of the text, to be fair.

[Dominique Foxworth]

That's not necessarily hate. Like, fair. You could just be like, what the fuck? Like, you could be happy for somebody. Like, what the hell?

[Bomani Jones]

You're right.

[Dominique Foxworth]

I see you playing like that. Be the same thing.

[Bomani Jones]

You're right. I would like to take this opportunity right now to apologize to Joel Anderson, for usually, I'm 100% positive that he's hating. This time, it was merely 75%, and that is outside the confidence interval. You know what I mean? Like, that's not. I couldn't. I couldn't get that. I couldn't put that in a publishable paper at 75%. Right.

[Dominique Foxworth]

I wonder, what is the confidence interval for Joe Joel Hayton? I feel like it's. It's.

[Bomani Jones]

It's a. It's a steady state for that man in a lot of ways. Right. But now he out in LA living it up right now. We don't start this again. You know, I try to avoid getting too caught up in the media stuff for a number of reasons. However, that boy Draymond stepped in it on Wednesday night, didn't he? Did you see that?

[Dominique Foxworth]

Yeah, I did. I mean, it's. It's on the heels of the river stuff, too, where it's like, yeah, I don't know. I. I hate to break it down to wins or losses, but I didn't feel like it went well for Draymond, that first one. The second one certainly didn't.

[Bomani Jones]

No, this is. This is what happened with Draymonda. For people who don't know, he wound up going in it, getting in some sort of online back and forth with Austin Rivers, and he really went hard at Austin Rivers and basically discredited the man's whole career and said the biggest bailout of all time was in Austin's daddy gave him a $42 million contract. Draymond said he averaged the same number of points in high school. The Austin Rivers did. Da, da, da. And all of this stuff. And look, you can say whatever you want about Austin Rivers as an NBA player, Austin Rivers as a high school

[Dominique Foxworth]

player is a completely different discussion, wasn't it? I mean, I saw his response. He was like, I was the number one player in the country. Yes, like that. That ain't. That ain't charity. Like, they don't just give that out. I Assume that you got a good name. It's going to get more attention. It's going to bump you up the list. But you still got to be nice.

[Bomani Jones]

I need you to understand something. And I have not met Austin Rivers. I don't know how things have progressed, truly, as he has become an adult. I just know the ways that he affected people, shall we say, as a youngster.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Okay?

[Bomani Jones]

It is difficult to make Austin Rivers more likable than you are. That's not easy work. Okay? Draymond Green managed to do that in his back and forth with Austin Rivers, and you have to look it up. But the thing that happened with Charles on Inside the NBA, I thought was interesting because Charles is making the point that, look, man, teams that are old don't win. You don't win a lot when you're 37, 38 years old. And he was talking about this in the context of the warriors, like, look, you guys are old. This isn't. Sports are for young people. This isn't how it goes. And Draymond, out of nowhere came with. The goal is to not look like you did when you played for Houston. And I think I know what happened. Cares if you read this the way that I did. Draymond's feelings were a little bit hurt or he was a little salty, right? But in his head, it was time to tell a ha, ha, yeah, that's it. And when it came out, he was dmx, told a joke, and nobody laughed. And you know why? Because it wasn't funny. It was just mean. And what Draymond, I don't think gets is when he picks on people, it's mean. And nobody likes mean. And Charles is not the most sympathetic figure, but what Charles is not is mean. The women in San Antonio are willing to yuck it up with Charles about him calling him big and everything else, because somehow Charles can do that and not be mean. This just landed as mean.

[Dominique Foxworth]

You so that somehow that you just threw out there is the part that is interesting to me because, like, I watched it, and I thought, had Charles laughed or had someone around there had the reaction that I think Draymond intended, I. I don't think it would have gone over that way. And that's the part that's interesting to me is I don't understand. And maybe it's about the person in the delivery, but I don't understand why that was so, like, that felt like it was out of bounds, because it wasn't really. Like, they talk trash about each other all the time. Like, that's Part of the nature of that show. Why in that moment, was Charles like, nah, like, I'm not going. They just were serious.

[Bomani Jones]

I will give you a reason why Charles did not respond in that way, because what he said was wrong. Wholly, totally, factually inaccurate. If there were pictures to be had of an old and fat Charles Barkley in a Rockets uniform, we would all have the same picture in mind, because you would see it all the time. And you know how I know you would see it all the time? Because inside the NBA, yeah, we show

[Dominique Foxworth]

it all the time.

[Bomani Jones]

We put it out all the time. That picture doesn't exist because Charles wasn't decrepit with Houston. He wasn't. It wasn't any of the things that Draymond described. And Charles, in that time in Houston, did one of the most admirable things ever. Remember he tore his quadriceps tendon in a game in Philadelphia, and he went through crazy rehab just to come back for the last game of that year because he refused to be carried off in his last game. Right. Like this one. It just. Well, two things. I think that's part of it, that it was wrong, but then the other part was, hey, man, they don't fuck with you like that.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Yeah, that's the big one. That's the big one. Because I think that he. It could have been interpreted as play like you played, which, like, yeah, Charles wasn't the. Wasn't bad at that point, but he wasn't the same version of himself that we, like, remember. He was lower on the pecking order. There were a lot of other people ahead of him. He tore his quad, as you mentioned, and Philly, like that. All that stuff. Or was it Phoenix? It was.

[Bomani Jones]

Anyway, it was in Philly while he played for the Rockets.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Okay. So, anyway, the. The bad part about this whole thing is I actually thought that Draymond's response to the question was interesting and eye opening and more honest than you expect from a player at that point. But it's all obscured by the fact that we were locked in on the fact that this part went, like, over poorly. But I think you're right. The bottom line is we don't play like that with you. If. If Kenny would have said that, I feel like. Because they go back and forth with each other about the worst things, which I all like friend groups, male friend groups in particular, like.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah, well, let me ask this. How would that have gone over had he said something about nobody wants to look like Shaq in a Celtics uniform?

[Dominique Foxworth]

Hilarious.

[Bomani Jones]

Whoa, whoa. If we can say whatever we want about Charles Barkley. The one thing that we cannot say is that man is unwilling to laugh at himself.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Yeah, for sure.

[Bomani Jones]

We will say a lot of things about Shaquille o'. Neal. What we will not say is how willing he is to laugh at himself. Shaq would have come back at him with some of the meanest shit you've ever heard in your life.

[Dominique Foxworth]

He would've told Shaq is funny because he'll make fun of himself, which is different than laughing when you make fun of him.

[Bomani Jones]

Yes. Relatable content. Yeah, relatable content.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Shaq will be more. Shaq will be more than happy to make fun of himself. And like, he put up his feet on the show last night.

[Bomani Jones]

Yes.

[Dominique Foxworth]

He took a picture of it. He doing all those things. He'll fall down on purpose. He'll do all these ridiculous things so that you can laugh at him on his terms, but you definitely not gonna laugh at him outside of his terms. But they all make fun of each other. I, I. Yeah, I don't know. I don't want to defend Draymond.

[Bomani Jones]

I, I think Shaq would say the same thing that I say, and I think in part, well, Charles is probably thinking on this one, oh, I laugh when things are funny.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Yeah. And Charles did a. Yeah, Charles did.

[Bomani Jones]

That wasn't funny.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Yeah, Charles did the best possible thing, though, because I think my reaction would have been like, I'm a fire back. We gonna go, I'm gonna fire back with a joke or something like that. And he did. He just let it sit there, and it made it look worse and uncomfortable. And Draymond had to. Had to power through.

[Bomani Jones]

And Charles is a great teammate. Like, the decision to be like, nope, sit in this one. And then when. When Kenny was like, what does that look like?

[Dominique Foxworth]

Kitty was dirty.

[Bomani Jones]

And his response was, I saw it. Or something to that effect, and it was just like, nah, man, this ain't playing. Like, it's a wild week for Draymond in this regard. I actually think Draymond got a bad rap about the stuff he was saying about Steve Kerr for people who didn't see it.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

Draymond made the point that, well, it was a multi tiered point and social producing rage. Bait jumped up. Right.

[Dominique Foxworth]

And what Draymond told was, I apologize for what my show did to you a couple days ago. I'm very sorry. I need to keep a closer eye because all the shit that I've said on this show, you never hung me out the drive for clicks. We hung your Ass out for clicks. And I'm very sorry.

[Bomani Jones]

No, I, I, I, I appreciate that

[Dominique Foxworth]

because it did happen, right?

[Bomani Jones]

It did happen, but it's like, okay, we move. But I thought this was interesting, though, with espn. I'm gonna say something that you don't have to speak on when it gets to this, but Draymond said with about Kerr, he was like, basically, this has been great. Right? Like, we've won all these championships. Kerr helped make my career in a lot of ways, but he was like. But in some ways, I also feel like he h. Because he felt like, just like. By the way, every player in the NBA feels that they could have been a better offensive player on another team or in a different situation. And Draymond, unlike most people, has evidence. When Kerr wasn't here, I was shooting 40% from three and was killing it in the. And Our team won 73 games at the end of that season. I think they were like, 39 and 4 or something like that in the time that Curb was not there. And so I didn't think he was saying that Steve Kerr messed his career up. He was saying, but I do think that I had a better offensive game than Kerr gave me credit for having. And in that way, yeah, I do wonder what it would have been like. I thought that that was perfectly reasonable and that he got hung out to dry on that one by people who aggregated it. But this one right here, nah, dog. Everybody was just like you. Yeah.

[Dominique Foxworth]

I mean, I think you're doing. I feel like you're being generous in the way that you are, like, contextualizing the original statement, because it was. And I don't remember the exact wording. Maybe I should look that up to be completely accurate. But I think what people had a hard time accepting from him is for someone of his talent level, his career turned out on the fringe, the high fringe of the bell curve.

[Bomani Jones]

Yes.

[Dominique Foxworth]

And so for it for him to look back at his career and imply or not even apply. I guess the implication is that his career could have been better. Right. And what he's saying is, like, I could have been more effective offensively, but it's hard for me to imagine a situation where his career, given his talent, turns out any better.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. So it. I think it's interesting because Draymond brought. Bought Tom ISO a Rolex. Yeah.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Right.

[Bomani Jones]

And look, Draymond Green was an excellent, excellent college basketball player, but nobody saw it coming. Yeah, nobody saw it coming. The NBA. Nobody saw it coming the way that it ultimately turned out. But the thing to Remember, and we can't forget is Kerr only started Draymond after David Lee got hurt.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

That was never the plan. And so I think for Draymond, and I know this feeling when you feel like you with somebody that you realize or you feel like, you know, this cat never actually, like, really believed it. Yeah. All right. Or at least not in the way or. Draymond's probably looking at it like he don't believe it. Like, there's other cats that's out here that believed it, that there's other people I could have dealt with that would have believed it in a much different way. And I guess. I don't know. I. I don't think it's unreasonable, especially knowing that league, for that guy to be like, but I think somewhere else, I could have scored 17 a game. They all think that.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Yeah, I think they. Of course they do. And that's, like, part of the reason why they're there. But I think that that's the thing with Draymond, and I think that's part of what makes him interesting is like, he. I don't even know if it's that he doesn't have a filter, but he doesn't have, like, another voice in there to, like, bounce these things off of and polish it up. Because I think you're saying something different than what it got experienced as. You're saying, like, I could have put up better numbers. What I think people are hearing. And then to name Steve Kerr specifically, not just say, yeah, I imagine in a different situation, I could have put up better numbers. He's saying, I could have had a better career if Steve Kerr wouldn't have hindered me. And that's the part that I think is hard, is like, no, sir, I believe that there is not a better. Like, there is not a better career. And of course, I understand him feeling like they don't believe in my offense that much, but they believe in you as core to this because of your defense and your ability to be an offensive fulcrum. They moved on from a lot of people.

[Bomani Jones]

Yes, they did.

[Dominique Foxworth]

And not you.

[Bomani Jones]

That was Austin Rivers point.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Yeah, they moved on from a lot of people and not you. You punch people in the locker room and you don't shoot as well as Clay. I know Clay got hurt, but, like, they moved on from a lot of these pieces you are remaining. So, like, that's a level of confidence. And I know that it's not confidence in his offensive game necessarily, but we all know, like, Kevin Durant. Yeah, you was pissing off Kevin Durant. And I imagine that everyone knew that it was going to be one of y' all gotta go. And they was like, we gonna stick by you. So that I think I.

[Bomani Jones]

Hold on. Let me. Let me read the quote to people. This is the money quote. As much as he's done for me in basketball, a part of me thinks he's hindered me in my career and what I could have become. You know, when I think of who I was offensively as a player and who I became, I think a part of that is due to him. I don't hold that against him.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Right.

[Bomani Jones]

I think that's a fair, factual statement that maybe. But I think the point. I think what you're saying, and I think it's fair, is maybe somewhere else they would have let him shoot more or somewhere else he never would have got off to Oak.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Yeah, yeah. He's. He's. He's like a point center that's too small, like a short point center. Like, it's a unique situation. Like, it's not to denigrate him. Like, he is incredible. You can't really compare him to anybody. He's like a incredibly unique basketball talent in a unique situation in time in the NBA, it worked out. It just like that. That's the part that is hard to accept, is like, he hindered you. You're a Hall of Famer, bro. You weren't hindered.

[Bomani Jones]

But you know what? This is the other part, too, about everybody having a podcast man. Words mean things.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

And he picked a bad one.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Yeah, Right.

[Bomani Jones]

Like, that's. That's part of the gift of being able to do this. And I think that people, especially when they talk about guys going into media, we have this. The idea is that you get the outspoken guys, right. And they'll all be good on tv or a guy that gives a good press conference. They'll all be good on tv. TV or whatever it is. It's a different world. And especially with the podcast stuff, now that it's so easy for people to hear it, record it, and disseminate it. Hindered is not the right word to use under those circumstances. And maybe you're right. I'm a little generous in the sense that I look at it like, hey, he probably meant a different word.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Yeah, yeah. But I. Yeah, I ultimately, I come back to. It's like, yeah, he's right. Another situation. He could have scored more points and is also another situation. David Liestay is healthy. He never gets off the bench.

[Bomani Jones]

Yes.

[Dominique Foxworth]

But, like, there to me, at Least there's no. I have a really hard time. If you say, if Draymond's career is simulated 100 times, like, this is 92.

[Bomani Jones]

I don't think anybody has done more with what they had than Draymond Green.

[Dominique Foxworth]

So, like, how could his career be any better? Like, I. I'm being generous in saying that there might be eight simulations where this turns out better. And that's just like, if he hits a game winner in the finals or something. Like, it's. It's one play swinging this. Like, I. I don't imagine that. I don't know. Like, that's true of everybody. The luck. There's so much luck in. In the success that anybody has. And you can look at it, but it's easier to, like, discount that luck when you have more traditionally obvious talents for the field that you're in that his just aren't, like, obvious.

[Bomani Jones]

How much money you think this man has made in the NBA?

[Dominique Foxworth]

A quarter. Over a quarter billion, right?

[Bomani Jones]

Close to a quarter. Said 239.

[Dominique Foxworth]

I mean, it'll go over that. Oh, this is contract value, or how much he's actually made, because contract value

[Bomani Jones]

through the 2026 season.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Okay, so that means. Yeah, he gonna go over it.

[Bomani Jones]

Yep. Yep.

[Dominique Foxworth]

He got 27.

[Bomani Jones]

He got 27.6 left.

[Dominique Foxworth]

He gonna go over it now.

[Bomani Jones]

He gonna do it. Him and Tobias Harris. Tobias Harris, amazing. Tobias Harris done made something like $300 million that ain't never made first, second, or third team. I think he got a vote one year. A vote one year.

[Dominique Foxworth]

I used to, like, when I was at the football union, before I went over to the basketball union, I. I remember, like, every time basketball off season would happen, we would have the blues at the union because all the football players would be pointing at those numbers and be like, our sport is bigger this, that the other. And it's like, boys, the amount of money, the gap is so big now that I don't even think football players get irritated by it. Like, you just can't. It's just. It's only a few of them. It's a lot of money. And when we had that, like, social media argument about who's better athletes, football players and basketball players, like, I'm a football player, and if you've ever been courtside at the NBA, oh, yes, it's them.

[Bomani Jones]

I remember when we talked about this on here, and your brethren were not happy with you for not holding the line.

[Dominique Foxworth]

I ain't gonna lie. I ain't gonna lie. Like, they. Six, seven, and doing it and they got the hand eye coordination to hit half court shots at like a 50% rate if you not guarding them. And that's the boys who can't shoot. Yes. It's like if you've ever been courtside of an NBA game. Yeah, you would, you would know better.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. But let me tell you something that's interesting though. Cause I talked about the social media rage Bay. You can find out. I did a video. Well, I did an interview with my buddy Ethan Strauss on his podcast. And. And I talked about like the conflicting incentives of social media producers and the talent that they deal with because their games to get engagement. And engagement is generated by getting people riled up, which is often counter to the aims of the host. And then of course they clip that and put it on the Internet to be provocative for the people in a very similar way. It was ironic, it was humorous. But I admit at first I was like, here these motherfuckers go. But anyway, SportsCenter account, after they saw this discussion had become a thing, the SportsCenter account clipped it and was like, it got awkward with Draymond and Charles Barkley and it may have had googly eyes or whatever it was. And I was like, ccc, that's the shit I'm talking about right there. You, this is your talent. You are either making your talent look like an asshole or you are co signing this erroneous thing about Charles. But we gonna get the people charged up. And I do want to do this right fast because it does bother me sometimes when people denigrate what Charles is. Because this quickly became a Draymond versus Charles. It didn't have to be that in terms of what kinds of players there were. They were. And everything else. Right. But Charles, in that last three years that he played with Houston, or I think it's four years, but he put up advanced statistics that were in line with what he did in Phoenix. Like he was an excellent player all the way until the end. And one of he's always been perhaps the most unselfish dominant scorer in the history of the game. And he dialed it back in that year. The problem was they was all old. They was all old. If John Stockton doesn't hit that shot in Game 6, maybe the Rockets got a chance. Actually, my favorite Charles Barkley with the Rockets moment ever is John Stockton old dirty ass. Tried to set a screen on Charles once that he had enough of and Charles elbowed him in the chest. And they asked him what he was doing and he said, I was trying to dislocate his shoulder or break his ribbon. And everybody laughed, and he said, I'm not joking.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Excellent, man. I think that's so the Charles Barkley has, like, created. And I think a lot of this is from Charles Barkley, the idea that the outspoken, brash guy. I think you can draw a straight line from Charles Barkley to the belief that Draymond is going to be great in media. Yes, because it's like, brash, outspoken, willing to say just about anything. But there is a humility and creativity that Charles Barkley had that I think it was hard to know, and maybe I was too young to witness it or understand it. And media was less, like, ubiquitous then, so you didn't see as much of the players. But, like, I think people draw the wrong conclusion. Is like, loud, brash guy that offended the sensibilities of the mainstream. Oh, he's going to be great on tv. And it's, like, not part of the problem with the Draymond experience. Not that it's. It's bad. He's. He's good. But it's that to your point about the social media stuff, they clip them up in order to get engagement or to upset people, and it's oftentimes torn out of context. Nah, not for Draymond. It's just. He's just. You just talk like that.

[Bomani Jones]

That's just.

[Dominique Foxworth]

No, Draymond is just a perpetual, like, rage baiter. But he's not baiting. He be raging people of how he feels. And it's like, I don't know that people actually want that.

[Bomani Jones]

No, no, people don't want mean. Like, Shaq's problem is that he can be very mean. Like, when it comes up, somebody steps on him the other way. He can be very mean. And Draymond. So, Dominique, you and I talk about this, and I don't want to do this to talk about myself, but something that people don't grasp about me, the reason my thing works is I'm not mean. Yeah. Like, I think that people, for whatever reason, believe that I mean, but you have no evidence, if you've ever been around me, that I'm mean to people, because being. It just don't work if you're not mean. You can get away with so many things. You are one of the most decidedly unmean people that I've ever met. You could stand to be a little bit meaner, to be perfectly honest.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Fair point. Fair point.

[Bomani Jones]

But Draymond is mean.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Yeah, but you. You are. It's not only that you're not Mean, you're kind. But I think it doesn't come through. And I think we could point to. You are less concerned with. To me at least, it seems like you're less concerned with the way that people interpret you. I'm putting it wrong, but I know what you mean. In. Part of the way I'm Is comparing it to myself and part of the way that I behave publicly, I am partially. Some portion of my brain is trying to analyze how it's going to be received.

[Bomani Jones]

Yes.

[Dominique Foxworth]

And concerned about it being received the wrong way.

[Bomani Jones]

I don't.

[Dominique Foxworth]

I think whatever part that is for you is just less engaged. Whereas I'm going to do this. And I think the. The. The wire clip that you had is like an example of it where it's like, they saying dumb shit. I'm a telling they saying dumb shit and then unpack they ass right here. And most. I think a lot of people see that. And some people see themselves as the.

[Bomani Jones]

As the unpacky.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Right. Some people see ourselves as the unpacker, and some people see to unpack e. And then they see that which you. It's not the first time you've done something like that. You do it on you. Like you. The beginning of your career was a lot of Twitter unpacking. Yes. And I think a lot of people, like, he's mean because they like, man, I'mma say something dumb. He gonna rip me up. Whereas I see it like, yeah, get them dummies.

[Bomani Jones]

I'm. I can be mean to people.

[Dominique Foxworth]

I like him. He getting them dummies. That I feel.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. Like, I think I could be mean to people who I think are mean. Mean to me. Right. And I guess maybe that's the thing with Draymond is his threshold for when he thinks that somebody has been mean to him is very, very low. Like, I would love to know formatively speaking, like, his house or whatever it is, because he might got one of them houses where that's how they all talk to each other. Like, you know when you meet those people and then you go to their house, you'd be like, damn, I can't even tell y' all like each other. And then they get out in the wild and they, like everybody else is just sensitive. Now, I always tell people, this is a very important point. If on one side is everybody and on the other side is you.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

Chances are you are the person that needs to move toward the norm. It's not always the case, but it's entirely possible that that's. That's the Space. And so, yeah, when you get a lot of these guys, you can be solemn, you can be stern, you can be all these things. The one thing you can't be on television is mean. Especially not to like. People love Charles. We let Charles get away with a lot of craziness. Yes. Because we love Charles. Charles.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Yeah. Remember when Charles had that show with Gail?

[Bomani Jones]

Oh, I do.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Charles was going a political run. Yeah, brother.

[Bomani Jones]

I have a Charles story that's so insane that I never tell it on the air because I love Charles too much to do with this to him. But the fact that nobody did him in for it is like, oh, we just made a decision that Charles gets to play by complete look. That first year of Inside the NBA, nothing has ever been like it. I could not believe the things that man was saying. Like, he actually reeled it in after year one. I could not believe it. But then on top of it, the thing with Charles was they would run practical jokes on Charles on television that he had no idea were coming. I wish. I wish you would do that to me. I wish like. And see. And when you go down there and do their shows, you gotta be ready. Because the culture has been set by the fact that we can do these things to Charles. Like it requires. I think this is what also comes down to on those things. It requires a measure of trust. Like when I used to do shows with Dan and them, I ain't trust them like that. Right. Them jokes ain't feel gentle. Them jokes did not. Like, it was kind of like. So what do you. So what you trying to say? Right? Like, that's when it's trust, it doesn't go to the what you trying to say part. Draymond has no trust from anybody on this.

[Dominique Foxworth]

That's interesting. The trust thing is. I didn't consider that, but I think you're right. It's like they are not trying to. I've had. Obviously, I've done a bunch on tv, and I've had a lot of really good interactions and experiences. And like, I. I'll do a good amount of, like, making fun of people, but there is like some relationship and there's some times where it's like, it doesn't. Haven't had it in a long time, but there's been a few times where it didn't go over well, where I felt like I needed to apologize to somebody because, like, I. I recognize that we entertain and we having a good time. But, like, I think where it comes from, the reason the need for an apology at least from my perspective, was because it was mean, and it was clear that we didn't have that relationship. Right? We don't actually have this relationship, dude. And also where it happens is when this. When it's not reciprocated, when they don't have that. I don't want to say ability, but, like, that nature, they didn't grow up in that environment. They aren't comfortable with it. It ain't fun when one side got all the good jokes and the other side is just back there looking beat upon.

[Bomani Jones]

Well, you also got to recognize the weight of who you are, right? Like, there's certain ways that I can't talk to people because of how things land, because of who I am within the ecosystem. Right. Like you and I have, literally. And we've been doing this now for a decade in various forms of fashions. We have never raised our voices at each other, not even a little bit. Right. Like, there's a disagreement. Hold up, let me see. Like, we have a level of trust that is built through iteration. I've done TV shows with people and done radio shows with people where the trust just wasn't there. And people do not trust Draymond. That's where it come from. Punching people in the face and all this other stuff. Or the thing with Kerr is people don't trust him. Like, I will see sometimes when something goes over in a way that I don't intend online, and people's response will be, hey, man, I've been listening to him for a long time. I know what it is that he's saying right there. And Draymond has zero trust. Zero trust. Speaking of trust, there's somebody outside who has been trusting me with this trophy. And so I am going to bring this trophy back to him. But first, I'mma give you one of these. I hugged a tree this weekend, Dominique. It was so amazing. I was out with my club, and we was. And they were like, yo, you got to hug the tree. And I was like, I ain't got to do shit. And it was like, nah, you got to hug the tree. And I was like, okay. And you know, when you loosen up and get into hugging the tree, I kind of see the point. But I saw my homie Brad. He was there with his wife, and she got him in the tree hugging. And, man, he was hugging a big old tree. I'm a fucking. Was out here all the way like this, from sea to shiny sea, hugging that tree. It was the funniest thing I'd ever seen. And I was like, Damn. But he looked very happy hugging that tree.

[Dominique Foxworth]

That's a literal thing. I thought tree hugging was just.

[Bomani Jones]

No, I thought it was too. But I was out there with some old woo woo, man. They was all. They were like, yo, you're gonna hug the tree? Like they were saying, are you gonna hug the tree? Like you're not gonna get some water? Like it was the thing. But in absence of the tree, I'm gonna hug Larry a little bit. You know what I'm saying? Right there. You can get that picture in there. We got the teams all around. It was. It came in a Tiffany bag. I think I already said all those things.

[Dominique Foxworth]

But did it come in a big box, too, right?

[Bomani Jones]

A giant box? Yeah, a giant box with wheels. Did you see that story? I would say this right fast, before we break, about the guy who had to check his Oscar. This guy won an Oscar for, like, best documentary, and TSA made him check it because they said the Oscar could be a weapon. And then they lost it. No, it was eventually found.

[Dominique Foxworth]

That's nuts.

[Bomani Jones]

But they. And look, they're not wrong. Now, I would say if we found out that somebody hijacked a blade because they beat the pilot over the head with an Oscar, that would be some wild. Right?

[Dominique Foxworth]

But, you know, I assume, like, that's weird. I mean, because it's. It's blunt. It's not like, like Emmy the wings. I feel like a sharp, Like a blunt weapon is weird. There's like, I could bring a dumbbell. They wouldn't tell me that was a weight.

[Bomani Jones]

Yes, they would.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Really?

[Bomani Jones]

Man. I tried to travel once with a workout system of sorts, and it had a bar. Oh.

[Dominique Foxworth]

And it was like, nah.

[Bomani Jones]

Now they was like, you can check it or throw it away.

[Dominique Foxworth]

I respect it. I mean, I might. Yeah. I love tsa. It never fails. So I get the most love. That's true.

[Bomani Jones]

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[Dominique Foxworth]

All right.

[Bomani Jones]

We are back with Dominique Foxworth. You told me you ain't really you. You had never really been like super hip to Ted Turner.

[Dominique Foxworth]

I mean I was always aware of him. Like yeah, he was.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah, but not in like a particular way.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Nah, nah, nah, nah.

[Bomani Jones]

So Ted, Ted Turner passed away, I guess on Wednesday, or at least we got news on Wednesday. Ted owned the Braves. So that's always been, that was always the thing for me is that Ted Turner owned the Braves and he owned the Hawks when I used to do that dumb shit. And so Ted Turner is interesting in that he goes back to a time where rich people were interesting and kind of fun. And by the way, he consistently said and did the wrong thing in so many ways. Right? Like Ted, have you seen the thing where they were talking about the Pope And Ted Turner told a Pollock joke.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Oh, gosh.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. He was like, you know, it's a Polish mind detector and pointed at his foot. He was talking about the Pope.

[Dominique Foxworth]

But Ted is like, it sounds like at least I don't know his upbringing. But by how he used to comport himself, it sounded like he was self made.

[Bomani Jones]

Well, let me give you a hint on that. It's very interesting. So Ted's father owned a billboard company.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Right? He painted the.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. And the billboard company became kind of the basis for everything else. But this is the story that will tell you everything. And this is from Spencer's. Spencer and Spencer hall and Holly Anderson's newsletter, Channel 6. I cannot recommend that you do this enough. It's. I don't know who writes what at any given point in time. So we'll say it's Spencer and Holly. This is the lead to what he had on Ted Turner. That I swear, if, if, if they did not have this already on deck. This is another. Wow, you amazing people. Okay, this is the first two paragraphs. Ted Turner kept the gun his father killed himself with in his office desk. Sometimes during negotiations heading the wrong way. He would reportedly take it out and spin the barrels as he held it against his head and say, now, I don't really like the way this is going right now. At this point. Usually the negotiations would pivot in favor of Ted and the gun and the gun would find its way back, back into the drawer. This is obviously an obituary for an insane person. In Ted Turner's case, insanity meant something very specific. Believing in his heart and soul that he could be in two places at once all the time.

[Dominique Foxworth]

That's a, that's incredible tidbit, incredible writing and also a reminder that there's a thin line.

[Bomani Jones]

It is.

[Dominique Foxworth]

There's a thin line, man. There is a thin line. All like innovation and amazingness and progress happens at the fringes of society and with fringe people. But all the amazing and surprising negative stuff, it also comes from them same motherfuckers.

[Bomani Jones]

Yes, it does. So Ted's game and everything was to find low undervalue assets. Like that's what Channel 17 was. That turned into TBS, for example, and then eventually became CNN. And that is, that is the most world changing ad. Very few people in media have ever changed the world themselves quite like Ted Turner did with cnn. And it looked, CNN started, I want to say, in 1980 or 1981, but it really, really, really bore fruit in 91 when the Gulf war came. When everybody else is going off the air and they showing the war the whole way because he has the 24 hour news station, a station by the way, where he had video prepared in case the world ended to run. Singing with a band playing a hymn. I will give you another great Ted Turner story. Later in life, Turner would attempt to solve quantum issues in his personal life by installing a rotation of four girlfriends. Each got a week on the calendar per month, which Turner thought was overly fussy, but still the fairest arrangement. Now when Turner was married to Jane Fonda, and keep in mind that when he was, we'll call it courting Jane Fonda was while he was doing the Goodwill Games and he was supposed to go to the Goodwill Games, but for the first time he felt like he had a chance to, shall we say, put the hay in the barn. And so he called the Goodwill Games people and told them no, he would not be making it there because he would be with Jane Fonda. But Craig Sager could take his place. And Craig Sager did. Ted Turner also personally gave $1 billion to the United nations when the United States itself wasn't giving money to the United Nations. Right, like in this. Also Spencer makes a good point. A line that Jesse Jackson had is that Ted was insensitive but generally thin fair. And that's what it was like. He was that white man. I talk about this all the time growing up in for real south, the white man that say the crazy stuff is sometime the white man. You need you.

[Dominique Foxworth]

This is not having not grown up in the south and like spent a little bit of time down there. Enough time to like reaffirm stereotypes and caricatures of the people down there that I, that I had pre existing. Like it sounds crazy but like you mentioned, we've been working together for more than a decade now. And it's sad for me to say that I was like in my, I guess mid-30s, around then or early-30s. It was you who was like, hey, why don't you take another look. You did say specifically but like take another look at the people that you think got your back and the people that you think don't. And I think a lot of this is obviously it gets difficult when you are like policing people's words. And that's why I said it seemed like Ted Turner, the way he behaves is like he was self made because he don't know how to act and talk in polite society and he never has cared to. But that's, I mean it's a reminder, I think for us all. It's like, yeah, it's just a word here, there. The substances is different. And understand not to say that anybody is good or bad or whatever. Just, like, jump to these conclusions. Yeah, it was meandering. But I've come to realize that some of the people who say all the right things that profess to be on my side are much worse for me than the people who say the wrong things and openly put themselves on the other side.

[Bomani Jones]

Yep. Now every now and then, every now and then, Ted gets you on some dog. I can't believe you. I can't believe you did that, man. I can't believe you did that. Other things Ted did that people can't believe. Ted at one point named himself the manager of the Atlanta Braves. It only worked for one game before the commissioner told him that they would take the team from him if he would do something silly like that. Another great Ted story is they had a pitcher. I think his name was Andy Messermith. Messersmith. Or Nestor Smith. Either way, his number was 17. Or at some point, his number became 17. And Ted got the bright idea, why don't you guys start calling him Channel and create this nickname for him as Channel? And then how about we put on the back of his jersey rather than his last name, Channel. So it would say Channel 17 on his jersey as advertisement for the TV team. And they were like, nah, Pippin, we not gonna do that. But at the same time, while Ted is the guy that gave this gazillion dollars to the United nations and stood and said he was putting rich people on notice, he was gonna call him, and that we was gonna do our part and everything else, Ted is the guy who did those things. Ted is also the guy who bought up all that land in Montana because if he had it, then nobody could mess it up. Like, there are people who truly believe that Ted saved, like, the American bison in the United States of America. Like, he was a bold man with ideas. Ted also got kicked out of Brown because he had a girl in his room.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Absurd.

[Bomani Jones]

That really happened.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Yeah. I've been to Ted's restaurant and had a bison burger that he preserved and protected. But, yeah, like, that's. It feels like Ted Turner represents a type of, like, ultra rich person that we used to believe was real, and we no longer feel like Believe is real, where it's kind of eccentric and fun. But ultimately, at its core, a decent person says and does wrong things occasionally. But, like, it's not from a malicious place. I mean, I think I was gonna say not to eulogize him, but like he is dead. So I think everyone is going to say more positive things about him in general, but it seems more honest than what I think we experience now with a lot of the, like, super rich.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. Like, you know what, it's that he started as a kind of rich.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

And in order to get his bread, he had to do like daring carnival barker kinds of things. Right. So I think it then, you know, goes like, like Ted used to be on all the, like, late night talk shows and everything else. And Ted has real, actual. Had real, actual jokes that he would tell when he was around people. Like, no, he was a. They. They didn't make a lot of dudes like that. And again, we talk about the impact that he had on the world. You can't really downgrade it. You can't really downplay it. And by the way, when all the white people were running out of Atlanta, I saw somebody make this point online. They're correct. When all the white people were leaving Atlanta, Ted set up shop right in the city of. And that's a very, very important thing for a city that was hugely affected by white flight. He was also, and this is why I say it gets interesting, Ted. Ted was riding for the Palestinians. Like, he played it as neutral, but he was just kind of like, hey, man, you know, one side got an army, one side don't.

[Dominique Foxworth]

All right. To the point that I made earlier, how I say crazy things on here. You always protect me. I'm about to say one, I have been like, in the last few months, I think I've never understood conspiracy theorists more than I do now is where you feel that something different is happening, but you watching and you aren't understanding it. When you brought up the Palestinians, it's like, yeah. Remember when that was a thing we heard about all the time?

[Bomani Jones]

Yes.

[Dominique Foxworth]

And we like. And then with like the, the way that the ceasefire has been like violated, but we're being told that it wasn't violated. It's like, I wonder how the rest of the world experiences this. And then we're. This war that we're in, or I guess it's currently on break. That war, like, it started when we was bombing schools, man. Yeah. And it's like, I don't know. And this is the, this is not to say suggest any conspiracy theory, but it's just, I think what I was saying, why I feel like I sympathize with them more than before, is because I understand that there are decisions made for what we will watch and read and see. And those influence the conversation. And I imagine in the rest of the world, it's like America started this war by bombing kids, but here, all I'm hearing about is gas prices. Yeah. It's like I. I feel like a crazy person.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dominique Foxworth]

And then, like, eventually, years and years of feeling like that, I imagine that at some point I'm gonna be like, this is a massive conspiracy to hide from us.

[Bomani Jones]

In line with that, in the contradictions of Ted Turner, he's the guy that was riding for Palestine, and he was also Tomahawk chopping it up through those runs. His woman doing it with two hands. Cause one Tomahawk chop was not enough.

[Dominique Foxworth]

They still doing that at fsu, right?

[Bomani Jones]

They still doing it in Atlanta, too?

[Dominique Foxworth]

Oh, they are still doing it in Atlanta, too. Oh, yeah. I guess they still called the Braves.

[Bomani Jones]

They are still called the Braves.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Like, look, did they take the Tomahawk off the jersey or. That's still there.

[Bomani Jones]

They never did. Only that just tells you how wild it was that a team used to be called the Redskids because. Because that. That. That allowed everybody else to skate, because that was such a preposterous notion. And they can't wait to bring that shit back.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Yeah. It's been. It's been noticed that they are going back to a lot of the old esthetic, and they're taking the name Commanders off of a lot of things. Like, people believe that they might go with the warriors and not go all the way back to the original name.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't think you can do that.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Right.

[Bomani Jones]

Like, I don't. I don't. I don't. At least, I don't.

[Dominique Foxworth]

I don't know why you would want to. You far enough away now, like, what you doing?

[Bomani Jones]

And nothing. And nothing happened like, you guys. Everything kind of worked itself out. And by the way, on Ted, we didn't even have a chance to get into the wrestling. Like, there's a zillion different other things on this with Ted that we could have. I would recommend. There is a docu series that I think was done. Duh. Through cnn, but it's called Call Me Ted, which is based on his autobiography that is on HBO Max. It's a bit sanitized, but very interesting. And Spencer makes the point about his autobiography and tells a lot about his. His. His penchant for adultery and a lot about his struggles with mental health. Like, it's a. He was. He was an American original, as they often say. And when I was younger, I didn't quite get. While saying that about Somebody could be such a big deal. But now I understand it in a much, much, much different way.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Right.

[Bomani Jones]

Like, there's something to be said about somebody when you meet him and you're like, damn, they only made one of those. You know what I mean? Or.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Or only one of those made it. It might be the way. Might be the way that I would. I would move your words around a little bit. Yes. And say that. Yeah. I think to go back to the Draymond conversation is like, there were 100 Ted Turners, only one of them turned out to be a success.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. And speaking of making it, who is trying to make it such that the New England Patriots have to get a new head coach?

[Dominique Foxworth]

Oh, gosh.

[Bomani Jones]

Cause by the way, for the Patriots to be so boring for all these years, they stay off in some scandal. Right? Like, there's a flat out boring squad that's always in some scandal. And for all the people that are like, Diana, career over. But ain't nothing happening to Mike Vrabel. Something happened to Mike Vrabel every day in the news, which means something happened to Mike Vrabel every day at the crib. And somebody really came with, maybe not the big joker. Maybe it's just a little joker. Maybe it's the deuce of spades, I don't know. But they put it out that they was kicking it while she was seven months pregnant. Who knew? Who knew that Mike Vrabel listened to ugk? That is a reference that eight people listening to this show get. And every single one of them thinks that that's amazing. But that happened. This has really happened. I don't think he's going to be the coach on opening week.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Yeah, I think you're right. Our friend Charlie said yesterday when I was talking to him that he would put money on Mike Vrabel being the coach at Ohio State in four years.

[Bomani Jones]

Oh, yeah. They don't care about this.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Yeah, it's a perfect thing, too. It's like day is gonna underachieve just enough. Mike Bramble gonna be home for a couple of years, and they gonna be like, you're out of there, day.

[Bomani Jones]

I hadn't thought about that.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Yeah, it's like, it's the perfect thing. Or Charlie skipped to the beginning or to the end of this. I. This shit sucks, man. Like, I don't know. I get that. It was kind of funny to start with. Like, I. I stopped laughing a long time.

[Bomani Jones]

I didn't think it would still be going on.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Yeah, right.

[Bomani Jones]

So with the funny, Mike, you're Right.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Mike, Is that somebody. Yeah, this stuff keep coming and, like, it's gonna be hard for Mike Vrabel to continue.

[Bomani Jones]

And look, I think there's a part of the misery the two of them are enduring right now that we ain't talking enough about, which is, I bet they missed the hell out of each other right now. Like. Like, there's one thing that might make everything better and it is not available at they. It's not on the board. It's not there.

[Dominique Foxworth]

And I think so, like, there's. I think that part is. Is super obvious too, where it's like they. It appears that they weren't each other's side. Right. It was a. It was a double main situation. Like, you was doing things that I cannot imagine. You know, like multiple hour, two person boat rides. Like, we going on vacations.

[Bomani Jones]

Yo, yo. And she's. She. She out to here.

[Dominique Foxworth]

I love you.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah, she out to here.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Like, that's.

[Bomani Jones]

Ooh, there's. I just. And look, the messiness of it. I think for me, in the beginning, I think that this is uniform. This is something that's universally funny to people, which is watching people get caught. Yeah, right. Like, that was the thing about the Coldplay concert situation. It was funny because it was so obvious that they had gotten caught. Relatable content is getting caught doing something, whatever the something happens to be that is relatable content and how you try to get out of it. Like, remember when the Coldplay thing happened and everybody was like, no, this is how you get out of it. Hey, okay, I don't know if you want to brag about this in front of your woman, but just saying, it's all relatable content. Right. Everybody could see that. But now this is a. For real. Somebody doesn't want him to keep coaching his football team. It feels like. They also, by the way, the Patriots had the Stefon Diggs thing go down this week. And that one I thought was interesting in a different way, because if you remember when this first came up, they didn't do anything, any sort of discipline to him whatsoever. They just kept him out there. And it was easy to go on. The cynical, oh, it only matters if you're winning. Right? But no, it turns out that he was like, nah, dog, this some nonsense. And then it turned out to be some nonsense.

[Dominique Foxworth]

That was always the. The. The fight or not always the fight. At one point, it was the fight when I was at the union with the league all the time. And that is a fight that we ultimately lost on. And I think it's probably better for the league as a whole, and. But it's worse for, I think individual players is like, nah, we gotta wait for the legal process, man. You can't be out here punishing people based on evidence that you have or. Or ideas that you have or. Or insinuation. But the difference is, like, I was concerned with, like, justice, and the league was concerned with marketing. And it's like, no. This one random player whose name 90% of the country didn't know, like, if he got a whiff of anything, get him out of here and protect the shield, as they say, and we can't have him out there playing on Sunday. So people talking about it the way that they're talking about think that that ultimately might end up being the reason why the variable. Like, if this stuff keep coming, like, I. I don't even know. Yeah. How there's, like, no way. They gotta be together. That's it. That's the only. It's like, I. I didn't have the heart or courage to leave what I was in before. But this is my person. I'm sorry for everybody I hurt and how we can't. But then we got the boys. I don't even want to talk about this shit, man.

[Bomani Jones]

Hey, bro, let me tell you, I just throw it out here. I ain't never seen nobody happier than that time I saw T.J. holmes and his new woman together at the Soho House. They looked at that. That's what love looked like right there. There's like, you know, the joke people tell on the Internet. Don't let your marriage stop you from your true love.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Like. Like, that appeared to be that.

[Bomani Jones]

Like, I only want. I only brought it up because I do think it's worth noting, and it's important. It's become such a football story because the nature of this scandal makes it feel like this is not going. This isn't ending anytime soon. And I just don't know how long it can continue to go without. But you know what helps? Going to the super bowl last year. Yeah, that helps.

[Dominique Foxworth]

That helps a lot.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. If he had put up a Gerard Mayo situation. Nah.

[Dominique Foxworth]

I mean, he won't be done. Even if he. If he does leave the Patriots, he won't be done. Somebody else will bring him back in. He'll go to some more therapy. He'll have enough time off, and someone will bring him back if I'm skipping some steps. But, like, what he is. It's different, obviously, for Diana. She's in a much worse situation. Where it's like, because Mike's thing is not a demonstration of him doing his job improperly correct, being able to do his job. But for Diana, like, it's. It has implications on, like, how she could do her job. And like, with the way that media's changed, I'm sure there's a lane out there for if she wants to take it. But, I mean, I know her. That doesn't seem like Elaine that she would be interested in.

[Bomani Jones]

I just hope she moves out of that house. Yeah, I would, I would recommend. But you know what? Dominique Fosworth.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[Bomani Jones]

I'm always looking out, big dog. I'm always safe space, always looking at Dominic Fosworth. Check him out on the Dominique Foxworth show, available where all fine podcasts are giving away for free. My brother. I appreciate you.

[Dominique Foxworth]

Appreciate you, sir.

[Bomani Jones]

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