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Domonique Foxworth on Mike Vrabel-Dianna Russini rumors, Steelers uncertain QB future | 04.09
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Dominique Foxworth
Not much. Happy to be back. I was listening to, I think it was the your last show and I got a shout out from my man at the end. So I'm here. You asked and I'm here.
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Bomani Jones
That's right, man. The streets be ready for you, dog. I got to tell you, I saw you on TV on Tuesday and it was really funny. So for people who don't know what had happened on tv, it's that time of year where you be kind of having to make it work when you producing the TV show, you know what I mean? So Dominique's on Get up and this is me talking. I understand that part of the job of morning time ESPN Television is hopefully you get a story that you can use to dictate what's going down for the rest of the day, right? Like something happened. You can set the tone and then everybody eats, you know. Like all we need sometime is one person on ESPN to say some wild shit. Like not even wild. Dan Orlofsky is a very big fan of Ty Simpson. Suddenly we have a counterpoint. The draft gets more interesting and now we can carry that all the way through. So this time the Ravens were beginning a voluntary ota, which Lamar Jackson typically cannot bother himself with, but it's a new coach. And so the question was, ooh, is Lamar going to show up? What's it going to say if Lamar doesn't show up? Get up, start at 8 o'.
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Commercial Voice
Clock.
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Bomani Jones
They like, baby, we going to eat all day. Man. It couldn't have been no more than 807, 808. Here come Lamar Jackson with his hoodie that say, I love Jesus showing up to work. And suddenly there was a lot less to talk about.
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Dominique Foxworth
Yeah, fortunately I wasn't on that morning. I was on the next morning because there was much made of like the prediction that he wasn't going to show up in like the, the like premature analysis around what it means. And he hasn't. He's never really showed up. And the funny thing is like Lamar's in this situation where if he show, if he doesn't show up, we can do the. And by we, I mean the sports media in general play the hits. You know, same old, same old, not committed leadership, blah, blah, blah. Does this mean he's upset with the organization? Maybe he'll never be back. If he does show up, we go the other way. Which admittedly, not as much meat on the ball. Not as much meat on the ball. Like, it appears Lamar Jackson fully believes in this new staff and maybe, maybe a contract extension is on the horizon.
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Bomani Jones
I don't know.
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Dominique Foxworth
Like, it does make his contract a lot less interesting because right now, I was looking at it the other day, they, they restructured it, which they had the right to do without his participation. But next year the cap hit went from what it was supposed to be. This year, now it's down to 30. Next year is 80 plus million dollars cap hit. He also has a no trade and a no tag clause. So he looking at this thing like a NBA superstar. Like few NFL players get a chance to be like either. I, like, literally I'm a free agent, not I'm franchise tagged or not. You can trade me, I could either be a free agent or you extend.
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Bomani Jones
Yeah, so this is actually more interesting than I give it a credit for what you put it in those terms. Because I had seen them running up the thing about his no guaranteed money in 2027 and all that stuff. And the question was about whether or not he would be coming back to the Ravens, which I thought was being presented as though it was a question as though whether the Ravens would want him to come back, which to me would be preposterous. Would you like your two plus time MVP to come back at quarterback. And if I am not mistaken, he still isn't 30. Yeah, I think you, I think you go ahead, I think you go ahead and sign up for that one, dog. It does become an interesting one on the other side though, that I clearly Lamar is a dude who appreciates when he's got some leverage. That's why he ain't never been to one of these little play play camps that he don't necessarily have to go to. Like, I'm surprised he showed up at this one because he doesn't seem to have anybody in his camp whose job is to be like, hey man, just go ahead. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know you ain't got to do it right, but it'll, it'll, it'll, it'll probably be good if you just go ahead and do that. That they don't seem to have anybody in in Lamar and Mom llc whose gig is to just be like, hey, just, just, just don't bone right quick and pull up. But if he, he can actually walk after this year, oh man, this is completely different.
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Dominique Foxworth
And honestly, if, if the prognosis if something goes wrong is that he will walk again. He'll be fine. Quarterbacks get hurt. Like, what are we looking at? Aaron Rodgers still out there, man, coming off Achilles your man. I mean, Cousins is a different story. He's not gonna be a starter, but he got big money after an Achilles. Like it would have to be something real tragic for him to no longer have the cache that he would have. And I think to your point about going and throwing a bone, there's nobody in his camp to do that. I think people in his camp look around and you know the type of people that need to throw somebody a bone. The people who, who ain't balling, you know what I mean? Throw them no bone. No, I'm a throw, I'm gonna throw some touchdowns. Throw them no damn bone. I ain't coming to this workout. But it, it, it, the thing is, obviously he has a team and off season plan and whatever that he does all the time. So like he doesn't need this workout program. The only reason why you show up at this point of your Lamar Jackson with the new coach is that's like, let's throw him a bone like this. Essentially. I want them to know that I'm all in. I want all the players to know, I want all the fans to know, the coaches, front office, I'm all in. I'm going to give everything I got this year, you know, no hard feelings.
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Bomani Jones
Or maybe this is the your opportunity to come in and make sure the head coach know who really in charge. Right? Like this is your chance to come in there. Like, no, this how we stretch the
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Dominique Foxworth
head coach know who really in charge. I believe that the head coach said Lamar was involved in the interview process. Yeah, I, I, I think they know who really in charge around there. But maybe you're right. He wanted to come in and make sure day one, the real boss ain't gonna miss day one.
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Bomani Jones
Yo, but I thought about this too. We know so little about Lamar Jackson, like as person or anything else. And I realized this when he showed up with the I love Jesus hoodie. And then Fox News wrote a did a story on fox news.com about him wearing that hoodie. And then they sent a tweet out about it, a tweet that Lamar Jackson then retweeted. And it was kind of like, I don't know about that one, buddy. I got no idea what Lamar Jackson think about anything. Right. Like, remember that time where Trump said something about him and he was there something back about Trump and then I forget what his response was. I was like, anything you tell me about this is possible. You could be a Black Panther or you could be on Glenn Beck's program. I have no idea, son. I don't know anything about you. I don't even know if you own a suit. I know nothing about you.
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Dominique Foxworth
When I think he did a trust. A trust Trump tweet at one point back when they was doing big trust in the backfield. But yeah, I think you're right. Not I think you're right. We don't know anything about him. And I think we graft onto him a lot of different things. I can speak for myself, like is the history of black quarterbacks and all that stuff, like graft onto him a bunch of different things and a bunch of arguments and in conversations and progress that you don't really, really think about, man just want to ball and get paid. It is like for someone else, for other people, he represents so much more. And I think particularly because of the when, when we do hear him speak and the way that he generally carries himself. While he's not the first black quarterback, he's the first quarterback that comes off and that presents himself in this way like it. He's a pioneering figure. Whe whether he wants to accept it or not.
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Bomani Jones
Yeah. Like I said, he's the first one that we don't know if he got a suit. Right. So I remember when. When Cam was young and the world started to catch fire, Right. We kind of wanted Cam, or I don't know if we. A lot of people kind of wanted Cam to talk about the bigger issues of the world. And Cam, not explicitly, was kind of trying to let people know. I'm not really good at that, guys. That's not. I don't. I don't, like, didn't feel so great about doing that. The Panthers had even had him meet with Frank Luntz, the. The. The. The right wing strategist to try to get his talking points together, which is a little worrisome. But anyway, like, that's. We. They wanted Cam to talk now. Cam talk for a living. And I get the feeling that y' all don't want him to do nearly as much of that talking like you kind of like him to fall back. Nobody's asked Lamar Jackson to talk about anything. Like, right now, we don't expect our athletes to talk about a single solitary thing at this point. None of them. Like, we. We have given up on that experiment, which is interesting because it seemed to be making some progress around 2020.
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Dominique Foxworth
Yeah, I noticed that the way that you presented it, like, it's not clear where you fall on that, but I think, like Howard Bryant's book the Prestige, which I assume you read. I read the Heritage. I'm sorry, The Prestige. I'm thinking about that movie. I watched it with my son two weeks ago. The Heritage talks a bunch about how the black athlete was kind of the original, like, wealthy and powerful black person. The expectation was there, and I think we still kind of have that expectation. But it feels like I'm fine with people. Like, I'm not going to tell nobody to shut up and dribble. But if you find yourself as someone who is most comfortable not talking about that stuff, I think what's the scary part is in part because of, like, social media and all that stuff, everyone feels that their opinions should be, like, held in high regardless. And some people don't. Trying to say this in a way that's not insulting and makes me feel like. I feel like I'm holier than thou, but, like, some people don't read.
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Bomani Jones
Yeah. No, that's not what some people. That's not what they do. Right.
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Dominique Foxworth
Yeah, that's.
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Bomani Jones
Yeah.
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Dominique Foxworth
And I'm fine. If you don't do it, then don't do it.
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Bomani Jones
Yeah. So that's my big thing is if you don't do it, don't do it. Right. But don't nobody do It. I guess I'm. I guess I'm a little confused. Okay, so think about this. Trayvon Martin died 14 years ago. So let's say that you're a 22 year old athlete, you're 8 years old when that happened, you actually grew up in a time where athletes had things to say about the larger world. Now we can raise questions about how deep the statements were or everything else, but the. They were out there. It's all gone. Right. Like it's, it's, it's almost like the basketball is caught up to the music, where the music gradually. And it's weird in music because music is always a space where you always expected to hear a little something about, you know, something larger than a personal, personal expectation. Maybe this is in line. Like, I got an email the other day about the 20th anniversary of Bill Roden's book, the $40 million Slave. And he had a chapter in that book where he talked about the idea of the conveyor belt, which is basically because the money gets a hold of these players so young, they are molded into being corporate pitchmen from such a young age that it's like a conveyor belt. They are handed over from, from person, person, job, job, place, place, whatever. And then by the time you get to the end, you get a socially unconscious being who only exists to sell. Maybe what we're seeing here is the culmination of that. But given that we thought the world was going to end on Tuesday, you would think that one of these cats would care about it on some level whether I want to hear what they got to say or not. Right. You don't even really hear it from Jaylen Brown no more.
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Dominique Foxworth
I mean, I honestly think that they are reacting. I don't think that they are and maybe they never were. But I don't think athletes are like civil rights leaders.
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Bomani Jones
I agree.
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Dominique Foxworth
Right. And I think that a lot of the outspokenness was a reaction to the waters that they were sitting in. And at the time it was something that everybody was doing and they had the larger platform. I don't think that we're looking at a time where the athlete is interested in or willing to be pilloried in the way that, say, Colin Kaepernick was. I think what we have with the athletes more than anything is like, to your point, it's like, all right, this is the way that the wind is blowing. I will amplify this message, but I'm not going to be the first one to stand up and be like, hey, guys. And us generally, as a Society as crazy as shit has gotten. We haven't turned up to the degree that the. The world has turned up. We haven't turned up as a society. Like, we all protested out.
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Bomani Jones
Yeah, it's funny because my brother went to the protest they was having the other weekend. And so this is what the athletes could say, but it's not that, which is, hey, man, I think things have gone a little farther than people have been willing to bring themselves to appreciate and understand. You and I talk about this all the time, right? Like, I never want to say that it's at a point where there's no point in talking, because I don't think that's ever truly the case. But we are. We pass that kind of march, right?
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Dominique Foxworth
Right.
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Bomani Jones
Where y' all be out here dressed up as cartoon characters and y' all got jokes, and it makes for really funny stuff for you to put online. No, the stakes have greatly exceeded that method of presentation. It is real out here at this point. We were literally wondering if a nuclear war was about to break out on Tuesday. And by the way, it's still on the board. Like, they said it was a ceasefire, but you know what? Ain't ceased fire. Like. Like, I thought that was one of those where you put that word with that word. Yeah. And we all know what it is. It's pronounced the same way. The whole nine, right? No, no, no. This isn't what it is. And there is no reflection of that from. And for this case, I'd count athletes, pop culture figures. Yeah, the world of pop culture speeds. At least younger ain't really giving nothing on this. And I was like, oh, wow. I think you guys would be the more scared ones now.
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Dominique Foxworth
I mean, we had, like, at the award shows, we had, like, some people saying, ice out. And I was like, that was about that. And that was the last thing we don't have. And, like, to your point, like, we're at a different place now, and it keeps amping up. Like, where we were on Tuesday night when there's, like, a apocalyptic countdown. Like, nobody said nothing. Like, nobody put up a black square. Like, I miss it. I know we was mocking it back then, but can we do some color squares or something? Like, there was a pe. Like, I live in D.C. so, like, I see a lot more protests. There were people out on the mall and stuff. But I think this. What comes to mind for me is that there was a point when the Internet felt freer and social media felt more natural. And I think it feels more controlled and curated. And we're in a place now where a lot of, like, organizing and amplifying and motivating takes place on these platforms. And if the algorithms are designed to turn those down, like I do. As much as we mocked, like, the. The performative nature of the stuff online, like, when it starts to build up, you start to feel you. You get your muscles, and you're like, oh, this. This is where everything is going. I want to be a leader of that. I want to get involved in that. But when something start bubbling up and it gets tamped down, then we feel like nothing's actually happening. And we, like, don't. Don't anybody care? Just kind of goes and happens and we move on. Some new shit pops up and some pictures pop up on the Internet connected to people, you know, and you just move on.
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Bomani Jones
That's all anybody needed. That's all.
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Dominique Foxworth
That's it. We always looking for a distraction.
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Bomani Jones
See, now, you would have did the thing, right?
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Dominique Foxworth
What thing?
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Bomani Jones
The thing where now I'm like, am I gonna do it?
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Dominique Foxworth
You know, one thing I'm not worried about is Bomonti Jones being able to artfully discuss something that most people are scared to pick up. So I'll throw anything on the table for you.
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Bomani Jones
You will. You will. And it's tr. And people have seen this. It's the story where page 6. I am amazed by the fact at, like, the levels at which people care about stories involving sports media. Yeah. But I guess when it comes with an allegation that a media member is sleeping with a head coach, and there is pictures of them posted up by the pool at a hotel that caught, like, wildfire. Wild, wild, wildfire everywhere. And I just looked at the pictures, and all I know is this. Each of them had the same story. We was there with friends, and we happened to be at the same place, but ain't none of the friends in none of the pictures. And all I'm saying is you said friends and nothing about your spouses, which is how that story right there, even if it might get you through in public, is not going to. It's not gonna. It's not gonna help you out when it matters. At the Ponderosa.
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Dominique Foxworth
I don't know. Obviously, like, I. I know both of them, and, like, both them and braves. And I go way back to, like, CBA negotiations and. And when Gene Upshot died. So, like, he was a guy who I like is great dude, upstanding guy, high integrity. And, like, Diana's cool. I like her, too. Everyone is great. And I wonder how I would have reacted if I didn't know these people. But my immediate feeling was just a pit in my stomach like, God damn, this sucks for them and everybody around them.
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Bomani Jones
I was. I was thinking minimally about how much it sucke for them and immediately for how much is sucked for the. The husband in. In question here or all the parties involved in question here. Again, I didn't know. I. The fact that we are. We as an industry or whatever are paid six worthy is bananas. It is like the larger media questions get to be a little bit tricky because they can veer into misogyny very, very quickly. There is obviously a clearly much greater judgment toward Diana in this allegation than there is toward Vrabel. Though I think to be fair on that one, there's a. There, there's a. There's a code of sorts that exist in Diana's line of work that this violates. That is not a violation of whatever code there is in Mike Vrabel's line of work. If it is as it has been alleged. Right. Like, I think that part is there. I just don't know how. If the allegation is founded, I don't know how you can come back. Who bring you on to do this job again?
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Dominique Foxworth
Yeah, I mean, it seems like the athletic is standing behind her, but yeah, you just, you can't really. If you are an information person, a reporter, insider, and like people believe. That's the, that's the really terrible part about it is like whether it's true or false. If people believe it, then you kind of lose the. The value that you bring to it is because like you're presenting yourself as someone who's just presenting the facts. And if people don't believe that you're that person. So that's the part where it's like again, I don't know for sure about anything. I can speculate or whatever. But I do know next time there's some reports from her, like no one's. The replies are going to be all jokes.
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Bomani Jones
No. Well, I know this though. If the athletic is standing behind her, and they did stand behind her in that statement, and I wasn't sure that they were going to do such a thing. That means one thing. She presented a compelling retort when it was brought to her by the bosses. So can you tell us what's going on here? Whatever story she gave must have been a great one because I definitely expected. We'll look into it.
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Dominique Foxworth
Yeah. And yeah, I mean, I assume that there's like all types of legal ramifications for those decisions that are made. But if we could get off of them specifically for a second. Just the idea of anyone going on a vacation with someone that is not their spouse, that's the shit that's crazy to me. What I don't understand is why I want to, like, play house. Like, I don't. I have a house. That's the shit that get me. And, yeah, it's not about them, just generally it popped into my mind. Like, I don't know.
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Bomani Jones
I.
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Dominique Foxworth
Cheating happens, but having a whole, like, side relationship sounds tiresome.
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Bomani Jones
It does. It does. It does. It seems like a bandwidth drain. But I will say this for Mike Vrabel. I tell you who, he ain't about to hear nothing about this from Bob Kraft. I wish you would try to tell me something about this. Oh, y'. All. So what, you telling me I should just. I should just go get a massage? That's what I thought. That's what I. Sit your old ass down.
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Dominique Foxworth
Yeah. And I mean, not that he was gonna hear anything anyway, like, if he just was like, Yeah, I got 13 girlfriends. How many games we winning? It's the way it works.
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Bomani Jones
But you actually made a good point here. Cause I'm with you. The idea that you are carrying on a whole whole side situation, right? Like, that is a significant expenditure of effort. And. And let us not forget, man, we are in a world where people got two families, bruh. I've heard that before.
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Dominique Foxworth
That just sounds. Well, actually, I know people who do, who have experienced something like that. That'll make sense to me in this day and age, how you can pull that move off.
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Bomani Jones
Well, well, well, the answer is baseball. Yeah, you can pull it. You could pull it off in baseball, right? Like, you go do spring trading and wherever it is for all of that time, you can have. Have one base set up there, then the other base that's in the other spot, and everybody understands. Well, hey, I play. I do these months over here. I do these months over here. No, no, no. You keep the kids in school here. That'll be fine. I'm gonna come holler back at you when we come back on the other side. You understand what I'm saying? Like, that's. I, I. That it sounds expensive. Yeah, it sounds exhausting. And if you're going to have two families, it implies that you're actually trying to manage the relationship of two spouses, which is, I mean, one spouse is, one might argue, more work than one man can handle.
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Dominique Foxworth
And then the kids on top of it, like, that is really hard to try to be that you're not being a good spouse or parent to, to somebody or to everybody. And also, like, this might just be me, but the best thing about work travel is that I ain't got to worry about nobody. I got to make a call, tell people good night, remind them of homework, tell people I love them, and then I can go to dinner with Imani Jones in New York and then go to sleep. Yeah, I can't imagine being on the work trip, like doing all the same
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Bomani Jones
stuff like, yo, especially because this ain't the old days, right? The old days where you leave the house for a week, at some point perhaps you'll hear from me. But there was no obligation that you hear from anybody every day or on any sort of demand. Right. Like if you got two of them, that's like, that's like having four of them back in the day. The.
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Dominique Foxworth
This also just reminds me of like whatever privilege. I don't know if that's the word that we still using, but whatever privilege that we get from being a man, like how stark it was back then and how it still exists is like because you were the only one that had any like realistic way of generating money.
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Bomani Jones
Yes.
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Dominique Foxworth
Like they knew what was up, but what they going to do? Go get a job or, or go
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Bomani Jones
get a bank account.
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Dominique Foxworth
Yeah, you can't.
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Bomani Jones
Wasn't even on the board.
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Dominique Foxworth
That's. That's mind blowing to me. Like, it just like the idea that there's a. And I know that there are other countries in the world where it exists even worse than this, but the idea that a full grown adult has no recourse. No recourse. See, she caught me. It's like, oh, you. I heard you got a family in other city. I know that you going over there with latoya and you raising her kids. Okay, what you gonna do, right?
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Bomani Jones
Pick your next move, either leave or live with it.
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Dominique Foxworth
Exactly that. And if there were. And I know like the 1950s television shows depict these dads as being great dads and, and fathers and, and employees. Those dudes are the best. They just looked at this world. They could just be whatever they wanted. It was like, no, I'mma be good.
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Bomani Jones
Yo, I was thinking about this. You know, you get older, the world is what it is. Cats tell you what they do and don't do or whatever. But you would have these situations with these dudes that about being out all night and then coming back home. And my thought always was, well, what are you saying when you get back home, like, what Story could you possibly have to explain this when you get back home? And little did I know the answer was, what story? Yeah, I'm a just walk in because
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Dominique Foxworth
you suspect that they respect that person as a full adult peer. Like, could you imagine if I walked in my house at 1 o' clock and my kids was like, where you been? Anywhere I been. Like, that's the same thing that they're like, you come in the house and your wife is like, where you been? And they just like, where I been?
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Bomani Jones
Whatever the fuck I want to be in my skin.
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Dominique Foxworth
Yeah, that's. Yeah, I. Yeah, yeah, that's the thing, right? Hey, hey, look.
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Bomani Jones
Apparently that is not the dynamic for either of these two people, as their response to this was, let me tell you what happened. Like, there's nobody involved in this situation that believes that they could just dictate what, what's going down. No, no, no, no, no. There was a story, brother. Somebody sent me a AI workup of them. Like they was at that Coldplay concert. Sheesh.
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Dominique Foxworth
Yeah.
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Bomani Jones
And I'm g. Tell you, I don't think, no matter what happened, I don't think either of them thought that they was famous enough that somebody would be taking a picture of them at some hotel in Arizona and sending it off to the newspaper.
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Dominique Foxworth
Right. But the pictures alone is supposed to be like the, the damning evidence. I feel like the pictures are, are explainable. The hard part is then all the other context around.
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Bomani Jones
Well, well, the pictures are explainable depending upon whom you were trying to explain what. And I say that to say explain to your wife the, the, the interlocking hand hold. Yeah, this one right here. Explain that one.
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Dominique Foxworth
Yeah, that's a tough one.
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Bomani Jones
Yeah, like, that's, that's the, that's the one that you go. Like, that's like when Bobby Petrino got caught up. And no matter what happened, the part that he couldn't explain was why she was on your motorcycle. Like, no, no matter what deniability that you had, no matter any story that you came up with, end of the day, you got that little young thing on the back of your motorcycle. Riddle me that. Big dog.
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Dominique Foxworth
Yeah, I don't know. Like, I just trying to think. I, I, of course, like, I have lots of friends and lots of people work with. Like, hugs are not uncommon. Like, you catch and we travel for work. So like I'm at Super bowl at a hotel with. Yeah, you just interlocking them fingers.
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Commercial Voice
I don't.
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Bomani Jones
That's all I'm asking.
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Dominique Foxworth
It's the, it's the little things, man. It's the little things because somebody snapped a picture of me hugging somebody at a pool. Was like, oh, yeah, I saw. I ain't seen her in a year. I saw her at the thing. I hugged her. Oh, you guys. Chairs was next to each other. Oh, yeah, we was talking.
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Bomani Jones
It's cool. All of that. Yeah, y'.
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Dominique Foxworth
All.
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Bomani Jones
Y' all sitting at dinner with your hands up, tap fingertips like this.
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Dominique Foxworth
Jesus. Tough man.
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Bomani Jones
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Like, the question is this, would you do that with your cousin? Because if the answer is no, then the story, then the story immediately falls apart. Right? Like, you could have an arm around situation. But you know what? That arm around that woman knows your wife.
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Dominique Foxworth
Yeah, right.
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Bomani Jones
Like, like you. You have taken the work and effort to introduce that woman to your wife with an understanding that I need to establish some measure of peace in this because she has. Because to be that close to you, she has to love your wife. Otherwise, this is not allowed.
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Dominique Foxworth
Right. Unwritten rules that somebody should write down.
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Bomani Jones
Yes. You know what? You are right. Because I was terrified that this topic might come up and what I might do with it. But you're right. I think I figured out how to discuss this without ruining any of our relationships or ruining anything that's going on with our lives. Which is good because I think they might at least one of them, have ruined their careers.
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Dominique Foxworth
Yeah. Y.
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Bomani Jones
are back with Dominique Foxworth. I guess you gonna be in Pittsburgh pretty soon for the, for the NFL draft.
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Dominique Foxworth
Yeah.
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Bomani Jones
Yeah.
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Dominique Foxworth
Yep. We gonna drive up, me and Charlie gonna road trip it.
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Bomani Jones
Oh, really?
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Dominique Foxworth
Yeah, I don't know, I was thinking like go to airport, fly to Pittsburgh. It's like a four hour drive. It ain't too bad. We ride up, me and Charlie get real close.
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Bomani Jones
Yeah, I'm about to say you're gonna learn a lot about each other. You know what I'm saying?
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Dominique Foxworth
Put this relationship to the test.
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Bomani Jones
Hey man, Pittsburgh shutting down for the draft, boy, they canceling schools and everything.
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Dominique Foxworth
I mean, they got to make it easier. I'm on board with it. Them kids ain't gonna learn nothing that day. Get em out the streets, make it safe, make it easier for me to get about one day of school. We took a year off of school. Everybody learned from home a few years ago. Y' all can take a day off. You be.
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Bomani Jones
I tell you this though. You made a very interesting point earlier that I had completely lost track of. I still have no idea what the Steelers are going to do at quarterback and it still might be starting Aaron Rodgers. Like I feel like you got the room to walk in and tell Aaron Rodgers like, yo, make a move.
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Dominique Foxworth
Yeah, they don't want to though. I mean it's. The Steelers make it real hard for me because I've kind of staked out this like very aggressive anti tanking position. But I have to be sure that people understand that extremes on either end are bad. I don't. I'm not saying you can't have a plan for the future. Like they approach every season like it's the last season. Yes. Like there's no, no season after this one, which, like, I respect and appreciate, and it's made them, like, somewhat competitive, but not really for a long time. But, yeah, they gotta. They gotta figure out some sort of transition there, man.
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Bomani Jones
I mean, Aaron Rodgers could never be the answer. And I just don't think you can operate with the. Aaron Rodgers. Last year wasn't good enough. I think that's fair to say.
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Dominique Foxworth
Yeah.
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Bomani Jones
There's no reason to assume he'll be as good next year as he was last year. That's just not how things work. So why are we, like, why are we. Why in the world are you doing this? Why weren't you the ones to go get Malik Willis or something? Right. There's. There's got to be a quarterback somewhere. It would have been okay with me if they went and got Kirk Cousins compared to the. I mean, I still think that. I think he's a good idea for what they're doing with the Raiders, but I can't. I just can't imagine how they got themselves stuck in this place that they're in. And by the way, which makes you look at Mike Tomlin and be like, okay, maybe it wasn't on you.
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Dominique Foxworth
Yeah, I mean, I think the. The argument for the Steelers bringing Aaron Rodgers back is we have a very expensive and talented defense that underachieved. I think you could make the argument that. And I, I was like, making this art. When we were going through all these preseason months last year and we needed something to talk about and new ways to spin this same conversation was like, look, Aaron Rodgers wasn't good enough in New York. However, Aaron Rodgers is a legitimate starting quarterback. If all they need him to do is, like, be. Make one special throw a game, they might do well because their defense is so good. The problem is their defense was not that good. So that's the argument. It's like, look, we bring him back all. But then you end up with the same thing where it's like, their defense is already old. There's no reason to believe that that old defense is suddenly going to be better this year than they were last year. But that's the only argument. It's like, we're really close as our core, and if we go to a young quarterback, then we might as well blow this whole thing up because everyone else is kind of old, too. Yeah.
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Bomani Jones
But, like. And they're not the only team that's in this place. Arizona. I don't understand what you guys are doing here. Like, you don't. Especially Arizona, who said, no, we'll take a 30 something million dollars cap hit to tell our quarterback to leave. Well, who's your quarterback? Good question. Now, you know, when you put it like that. Tough call.
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Dominique Foxworth
They don't want. They don't want Kyler back because he might win too many games.
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Bomani Jones
This is our chance.
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Dominique Foxworth
Yeah, that's it. It's like we know that Kyler. We don't want Kyler long term. Long term. So like if we're going to be here with him long term, then that's cool. We'll bring him back. We don't want him here long term for whatever number of reasons. So why we gonna bring him back in? So he can win three or four games for us that we don't expect to win. We end up with seven, eight wins and we don't have our choice of quarterback. I think that's pretty clear. The cap hit don't. I mean the dead money don't matter if you're not trying to win. Dead money help you if you're trying to lose.
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Bomani Jones
That's. I think that's all fair. I'm just like, you don't have a quarterback, but you did have a quarterback. Just. Just lands a little funny. Right? But that's better than being the Browns that have a million quarterbacks. Except they don't. They don't have a quarterback. The, the. The owner has said that it's possible that deshaun Watson could be the starter and everybody recalled and I'm like, but it is like, I don't understand why everybody was so mortified by this idea. Shador was bad last year. Like, this is not. I am amazed at the ways in which people try to talk themselves into. He was anything other than bad last year. Like 10 for the number of games that he played in this NFL is almost like throwing 30 over 16 back in the day. Like, yes, DeSean Watson could. Could Hawaii 5 9. He could wind up being the starter.
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Dominique Foxworth
The reason why the DeSean Watson as a starter doesn't make sense to me. While I agree with you as possible, the Browns aren't even though they haven't been very successful. Like their decisions been pretty sound with the exception of the 1. Like a lot of their roster construction decisions were pretty sound except for the one where Jimmy has them came in and was like let's get desean Watson a huge contract. But it doesn't make sense because if DeSean Watson plays well, he's on the last year of his deal. If he plays well, what you gonna do? Pay him like you gonna pay him again? Like that's what doesn't make sense. It's almost like they haven't looked at the end of the calendar or looked at his contract, which is why I think that maybe that they just saying that nonsense like maybe he'll play some, but they really gonna put Gabriel and Sanders out there and give them a shot to lose a bunch of games so they can get a quarterback next year or give them the shot to prove themselves.
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Bomani Jones
Hey, man. Todd Monken. Those of you who don't know this story. Todd Monken's the new head coach of the Cleveland Browns. And every year at the owners meeting, they take a group picture with coaches and. And Todd Monkin missed the picture because Todd Monkin had gone to get a haircut for the picture and he was not there in time for the picture. Now, I have said, I am sure that there is a wide receiver or two on his roster who could absolutely relate to deciding that the haircut for the picture is actually more important than the picture itself. My concern for Todd Monkin, I don't know how important it is for him to be an NFL head coach, but if it is, I would think that you would want as many mementos as you could probably possibly get. And I would not assume that you'll just be able to take a picture next year.
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Dominique Foxworth
Yeah, I mean, did, did David Cully miss his opportunity? Was he getting in shape up when he got his picture taken? I hope not. I hope young David Cully was or not.
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Bomani Jones
Young David Cully showed up already ready for that David Cully. Remind me, Remember that brother they made the senator in, in Illinois?
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Dominique Foxworth
Yep, yep, yep.
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Bomani Jones
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, like, like that's like, hey, they'll be calling me senator for the rest of my life.
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Dominique Foxworth
Just go ahead and give me them two weeks real quick. Put my name on there.
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Bomani Jones
My picture just went to a whole nother level.
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Dominique Foxworth
Grand opening, grand closing. But yeah, I was surprised that Todd Monkin didn't make it. Also, like, this is like part of the culture that I don't know. But don't white haircuts last longer? Like, why you getting a haircut at the event? Don't you get that before you come?
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Bomani Jones
That's how you know he really cared about this picture, man. Like, he just wanted to be, he really wanted to be sharp with it, right? Like, this was, this was a big thing for him.
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Dominique Foxworth
But don't they say, like, this is something I've always heard white guys say, is that the haircut is best a week after you get the haircut?
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Bomani Jones
Right? Yeah, not like us.
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Dominique Foxworth
Where Day one. Like, I got my haircut the morning of my wedding because I wanted it to be extra sharp.
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Bomani Jones
Yes.
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Dominique Foxworth
But like they planned a week out.
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Bomani Jones
I thought it just seemed like, so you say. So you saying Mike Vrabel got his hair cut 10 days before the owner's meeting because he really needed it to be right. That weekend before for the pictures, but to hang out with the homies at the hotel in Arizona.
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Dominique Foxworth
I thought I was.
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Bomani Jones
I was. I had. I had walked away. And then I started to wonder, so when did Mike Frable get his haircut? Or do he even worry? Right? He just. He just gorilla with it. He just show up as he show up. He might not even get a shower. Yeah.
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Dominique Foxworth
I mean he gives off that vibe. He's like. Gives off hockey player, dirty offensive lineman. Like, I am what I am. Kind of like a bear vibe.
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Bomani Jones
I will say I remember this when that year was that Mike Vrabel didn't get a job. Diana had reported that she had dinner with somebody at the Senior bowl and the general manager was like, well, he don't get no job because he's such a big intimidating man. And my immediate thought was, wow, that unnamed source named Mike Brable just offered his theory as to why Mike Brable. Because who else would say such a thing? Then it turned out that she came with a report that said actually Rabel was hot because Rabel thought that she was calling him fat. And so she had to walk it back because Rabel thought that Diana was reporting that Brable was fat. And that's why the coaches didn't. Other teams didn't want to hire him as a coach. The inner. Let me tell you, boy, the Internet actually had been on this hypothesis for quite a while before this. Before this actually came out. I was shocked how many regular people this.
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Dominique Foxworth
I thought the too intimidating to hire was the domain of the black man. I didn't realize that Mike Vrabel was bringing that. That heat. Also is that you could also be too intimidating to hire. Like I. I heard plenty of guys tell me that something ain't work out because I'm black. I thought I was gonna rob the place. Eh, maybe also you ain't got no degree.
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Bomani Jones
Hey, look, as Diana said at the time on Pardon My Take podcast, his hands are the size of your head. Shabbily, man. My favorite. A big dude, man.
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Dominique Foxworth
Yes,
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Bomani Jones
he's a very large man. Who.
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Dominique Foxworth
Man, this is.
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Bomani Jones
This is wild.
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Dominique Foxworth
It is, man. That's all I got. I believe their stories and I hope that the Truth comes out and that they are exonerated of the allegations.
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Bomani Jones
Yeah. Hey, man, people around them believe her bosses believe this story. So what we are discussing here is a wild story.
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Dominique Foxworth
Yes.
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Bomani Jones
Right. Like that's.
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Dominique Foxworth
That's unfounded allegations.
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Bomani Jones
Allegations that we have no confirmation of, but allegations that I am glad that I don't have to explain to anybody else.
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Dominique Foxworth
You can't imagine. At least the kids is young, man.
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Bomani Jones
Yo, like you got to hit this one with a. I've said what I've said. I have nothing more to say on this matter.
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Dominique Foxworth
Oh, God, man. Man, that pit's still there, man. I still feel it would be awful. Oh, I feel terrible.
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Bomani Jones
By the way, draft talk. There we go. Draft talk. Shout out to Fernando Mendoza. And I'm sending a shout out to him because he gonna watch the draft at the crib. I don't know why more guys don't do that. I would much rather. I think I would much rather watch the draft at the crib with the homies. Now, it's a little tricky if you try to get some homies out of your life. Yeah. Then you can't really do it at the crib. Or you gotta be careful. I think it was Haha Clinton dick. You can look at the picture of him watching the draft at the crib and somebody left something on the couch.
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Dominique Foxworth
Yeah,
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Bomani Jones
a little. A little party favor.
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Dominique Foxworth
Oh, I don't remember that. But yeah, good goodbye.
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Bomani Jones
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was, he was ready. He was, he. He was ready to celebrate.
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Dominique Foxworth
You know what I'm saying? The one thing about. I guess it depends on who you are and what you.
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Bomani Jones
Hold on right fast. According to Google Gemini, it is false that Haha, Clinton Diggs had a joint next to him in a photo shortly before the 2014 draft. I tell you this, it looked just like a joint
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Dominique Foxworth
the night. It's a big moment, man. So I guess it depends on how you want to celebrate. Do you want to have a family celebration? Because the year the draft was in Vegas. Pretty good place to be after you
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Bomani Jones
just became a first round driver. That is true if it was in Vegas. Yeah, I'm probably pulling up to the draft. Look what I just sent you, by the way. I'm probably pulling up. But otherwise, like I love Joe Thomas. When he got drafted, he knew who was going to draft him. Him and his daddy just went fishing. Right. Like I imagine. Dominique, I know you went through this because you waited so long. You ain't. You ain't wait a long time to get drafted, but you waited long Enough that a white man got drafted to play quarter before you. And I know that had to be tough. There's no need to sit around, man. They'll call you when you get drafted. They'll let you know.
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Dominique Foxworth
Yeah, but it's. You can't. So, yeah, that. That definitely looks like what it looks like. But the. It's. You can't ignore it, man. Like, the thing is, they'll call you, but everybody knows on. So it's on. Like, it's not. Like you could just pretend like it's not happening. So, yeah, I. I remember I wasn't invited to the draft.
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Bomani Jones
Of course.
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Dominique Foxworth
I think I was 96 pick. 96, just to be clear. No, I had to wait around. It's not a high pick when you waiting around all day and people at your house. I'll have you know that is a very low pick at that point.
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Bomani Jones
Ooh, was they. Was they in there saying dumb shit to you?
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Dominique Foxworth
No, because they knew better. But okay, just like everyone was trying to pretend like it like they were just there for a party after. Like, no one expected me to go in the first round. Once we got through the second round, it was like people stopped paying attention. And we get to late in the third, that's when we all just pretended like nothing was happening. And praise be that the Broncos gave me a call because if I had to wait another day, that was back when first, second, and third were all on the same day. If I had to wait another day, that had been real rough. Don't come back over, by the way,
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Bomani Jones
Haha said he was in a crowded restaurant, which has absolutely nothing to do with. With y'. All. You got is what. All you got is what it. What I see about what it was.
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Dominique Foxworth
I believe him. It happens all the time. There are joints land on booze and crowded restaurants every day I see it. I. I think I trust them.
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Bomani Jones
Hey, look, man, I'm looking at him like this actually made you a little cooler with me. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, this is not. This is not disqualified. I guess you don't want to have to go pee tomorrow morning. That. That part I could understand.
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Dominique Foxworth
It's a different time in the NFL in general. And the way that he felt about those things, like, you remember, obviously, Laramie, Tunsil, thing like that. If that happened, he would not slide down the draft board in the way that he did where he had that gas mask full of weed.
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Bomani Jones
Yo, he had the gas mask full of weed. And then he got out there talk about how he Be. Didn't he talk about how he be getting paid?
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Dominique Foxworth
Oh, that's right. I forgot about that. He did. Yeah.
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Bomani Jones
He had a wild draft night. Like, whoever it was who did that to him was foul.
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Dominique Foxworth
Yeah, that's pretty bad. Somebody was, like, trying to blackmail him, right?
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Bomani Jones
Yes.
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Dominique Foxworth
Which is. That's the thing about the blackmail is, like, it's. We all gonna lose. Like, either you pay me or we all gonna lose. Cause he definitely ain't pay you after you put it out.
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Bomani Jones
No, no. You've lost all your leverage.
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Dominique Foxworth
I don't know. Like, you hold it on until he signed a contract and say, I'm embarrassed. I don't know.
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Bomani Jones
And also, offensive linemen, generally speaking, are good dudes.
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Dominique Foxworth
Yeah.
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Bomani Jones
Defensive linemen, roll of the dice. Offensive linemen, generally speaking, good dudes. Right. Like you. You. You out here trying to blackmail somebody that people like.
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Dominique Foxworth
I ain't been in a locker room as much as I was at one point, but the archetypes of positions, that was the realest thing ever. Like, I could. I could pick you out. I could tell exactly what position you played in high school based on the way that you carried yourself. I don't know if it. If it stands up today, but you're right. There's a very different way. The way defensive players, defensive linemen in particular, carry themselves. And cornerbacks, we're going to be the loudest in every room. As many diamonds as you can find. The guys who drawing the most attention, it's very much cornerbacks even higher than receivers. Yeah.
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Bomani Jones
Well, quarterbacks, receivers, same thing in common. Most of y' all ran track?
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Dominique Foxworth
I did.
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Bomani Jones
I should have. Yeah. I say inexplicably, right. Like. Like that is. But like that track behavior. Come in there. Offensive lineman over there playing Sudoku. Sudoku.
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Dominique Foxworth
Yeah.
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Bomani Jones
You know what I'm saying? Like, they just. They a different bunch of cats.
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Dominique Foxworth
Yeah. They always fishing and hunting. That's the very different vibe is.
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Bomani Jones
Yeah.
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Dominique Foxworth
They pride themselves on how poorly dressed they are. A point of pride. Don't tell them they look nice. Their feelings will be hurt.
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Bomani Jones
Now, those are. Those are the only. Like, the. The closest to a nerd position group. Like, if Jonathan Ogden had wide receiver talent. I'm not sure Jonathan Ogden turns into an NFL wide receiver.
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Dominique Foxworth
Nah, nah. And to be clear, Jonathan Ogden kind of has athletic. That big mother move, man, he's unreal.
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Bomani Jones
We got a episode coming up with Nate Tyson about the 2011 draft, and somehow we wind up talking about Ogden and Ogden. The. No shit or idea of Ogden, who they drafted the same draft as Ray Lewis.
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Dominique Foxworth
The same round first. That's Ozzy's first draft as a GM for the first year of the Baltimore Ravens.
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Bomani Jones
Yes. Like there's an argument that Ray Lewis was not the best player that they took in the first round that year. And that's not at all shade to Ray Lewis. That's just how cold Ogden was.
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Dominique Foxworth
They took, he was the second one taking it. Like, yeah, they had a choice. They like who we want more. Bad guy.
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Bomani Jones
I tell you. Right. The best Ogden story, this guy named Josh Lux, he wrote this tell all book as an agent that seemed kind of like salacious at the time, but now probably goes back and reads, is prophetic. And so one of the things that he talked about was like how you recruited players and so you'd be out, you'd meet them or whatever and you know, you just do a lot of things to try to woo them and sway them. And so one thing that he did was he was trying to get Jonathan Ogden and so he got front row tickets to a Janet Jackson concert for Jonathan Ogden. Now have you ever been to a Janet Jackson concert?
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Dominique Foxworth
No, but I mean, I've seen the videos.
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Bomani Jones
So I went to a Janet Jackson concert once. And it is a very interesting breakdown of who the people are who attend a Janet Jackson concert. You have straight women with their homegirls, right. You have straight women with their dates. Right. There's Janet Jackson fans. You have not straight women. And that goes all kinds of directions. And the gay dudes who are there. But there's another interesting group that doesn't really have a place or a role, which is straight men who don't have girlfriends but really love Janet Jackson. Perhaps it's because you love Janet Jackson's music or it's just because Janet Jackson. Anyway, Josh Lux in his book said he took Jonathan Ogden to the Janet Jackson concert and that Jonathan Ogden was down there front row singing those songs at the top of his lungs. Come on baby, let's get away. But It's. And it's 20 something year old Ogden. It's College Ogden, a big old six, nine dancing bear of a dork singing Janet Jackson songs at the top of his lungs. And I need the footage how?
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Dominique Foxworth
I mean, the poor people who were behind him.
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Bomani Jones
Oh my God.
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Dominique Foxworth
You don't buy your, you are excited about your, your third row seats at the Janet Jackson concert.
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Bomani Jones
Yes.
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Dominique Foxworth
So it is like obstructed view.
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Bomani Jones
Yes. Like, you know, but you know what though? You, Jonathan Ogden, put little mama up on your shoulder. I bet she'd love it.
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Dominique Foxworth
Probably, but that is even more obstructive view for the people behind you. You can't go nowhere at six nine.
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Bomani Jones
He could have put four of them on his shoulders if he wanted to.
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Dominique Foxworth
But I sent you that picture. I assume you've seen it before. Yeah, he went to high school around here.
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Bomani Jones
Charlie Kravitz.
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Dominique Foxworth
Yeah, yeah. But the same school as Charlie Kravitz. And it's a picture of Jonathan Ogden playing.
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Bomani Jones
This is my favorite picture of all time. And it is, to me, a friendly reminder. Changing schools to play football. I don't know if it's that necessary. Right. What you need to be is big and fast. And if you're big at fast, we'll work it out. Because Jonathan Ogden was out there playing against the future Diplomats of America in high school.
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Dominique Foxworth
Yeah, it's. Yeah, it's a. The school is a private school. That is. And they. And that. The funny thing is the league has gotten a lot more aggressive about recruiting football players. And my. My daughter's school is in that league. They left it from a football standpoint because it's a small school that's like, very academic, focused, and they put effort into like, recruiting basketball players, but they can't put together a football team where the kids won't like, get hurt because it's a small school. And it's really hard to find enough big dudes at a small school that is very competitive academically that somebody won't get hurt. So they gotta schedule their own games. They don't really got like a legitimate football team.
- [56:23]
Bomani Jones
They need to be glad. Ogden was a nice guy. Right. Cause a different personality type.
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Dominique Foxworth
Are we sure that is the best? Some people ain't have to pay. I'm sure.
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Bomani Jones
I mean, I'm sure somebody paid, but I bet he apologized.
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Dominique Foxworth
Probably. I. I'm guessing that some people ain't show up either. I would. I wouldn't put my kids out there.
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Bomani Jones
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Like, what's this? Time for us to study film?
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Dominique Foxworth
I'm like, good. He can win that game. We not. This ain't college. We don't need the money to go get beat up by LSU so that we can fund this program.
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Bomani Jones
Coach, I forgot to tell you this. I don't know if you knew this, but I'm actually an orthodox Jew. Just this weekend, once the sun goes down. Yeah, I just. I just pledged. I just crossed last week. Right. You know, you just. I started wearing. I just started. Don't you see me wearing the colors Right. Do you not see this hat? Okay, so things are going to be a little different. And once the sun go down, I can't. I can't be out there messing with Jonathan. I mean, I gotta go inside.
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Dominique Foxworth
Oh, yeah. I'm spraining my ankle on the opening kickoff.
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Bomani Jones
That's the other part, too. He was probably in there playing defensive tackle.
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Dominique Foxworth
That's not fair. It's impossible. I don't know. Yeah, he was 6, 9 in high school at 300 pounds and more athletic than everybody. That's just not fair. And football, to your point, football is one of those games. It's not like these other ones. Like, even in wrestling, you can only get hurt, but so badly. Football, we keep going, you keep doing it. It's like you just keep playing. It's just not fair. Wrestling. If he really big and strong, he gonna pin me. It's over in three seconds. Football, they keep putting these kids back out there against somebody who they just don't belong up against. It just don't work.
- [58:15]
Bomani Jones
Dominique Fosworth. Check him out on the Dominique Fosworth Show. Cause I. I can't go back and talk about that other thing again.
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Dominique Foxworth
No, no.
- [58:24]
Bomani Jones
I just need to protect us in this show right now. Check them out on the Dominique Fo show, available where all five podcasts are given away for free. My brother, I appreciate you.
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Dominique Foxworth
Thank you.
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Bomani Jones
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