Eagles "embarrassing" loss to 49ers, Matt LaFleur & John Harbaugh rumors, ICE shooting in Minnesota | 01.12

Summary

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Episode: Eagles "embarrassing" loss to 49ers, Matt LaFleur & John Harbaugh rumors, ICE shooting in Minnesota | 01.12
Host: Bomani Jones (with Ryan Brumley & Deontay)
Date: January 12, 2026

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Main Theme & Purpose

Bomani Jones tackles an action-packed slate: breaking down the Philadelphia Eagles' stunning playoff collapse to the San Francisco 49ers, coaching rumors and contract scenarios around Matt LaFleur and John Harbaugh, and a sobering look at the recent ICE-involved shooting in Minnesota, delving into sports, power, culture, and accountability with his signature blend of analysis and wit.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Philadelphia Eagles’ "Indefensible" Loss to the 49ers

Starts ~[00:37]; Deep dive ~[01:12]

• Bomani’s Take: The Eagles’ home loss to a depleted 49ers squad is "flat out indefensible" ([02:12]).
• Eagles’ Talent vs. 49ers Injuries: Despite 49ers star players out (Kittle, Warner, many unknown receivers), Philly's roster should have imposed itself ([03:04]), especially at home.
• Brock Purdy vs. Jalen Hurts: Purdy outplayed Hurts despite two bad interceptions. "I've been a Brock Purdy skeptic...he was clearly the better quarterback in the game" (Ryan Brumley, [03:50]), and it stings to admit he’d take Purdy over Hurts right now.
• Collective Failure: Coaching, QB play, receiver drops (A.J. Brown), sideline dysfunction; "It was everybody's fault in this game that the Eagles lost it" (Ryan Brumley, [04:53]).
• Offensive Ineptitude: Second half Eagles drives summarized bluntly: "punt, punt, 10 plays 23 yards, field goal, punt, field goal, downs to end the game." ([05:30]).
• On Nick Sirianni: Shanahan "was not going to be cooked by Sirianni" ([08:46]) and Bomani jokes firing Sirianni at midfield would be justified ([07:09]).
• Vibes & Future: Lingered malaise in the franchise, likely A.J. Brown's last game, and a tension of underachievement ([07:30]).
• Memorable Quote: “The only way for you to truly lose this game is by being outcoached.” (Bomani Jones, [05:26])

2. AFC Playoff Picture & Josh Allen’s Place in It

Starts ~[09:28]

• Josh Allen’s Narrative: Bomani points out Allen’s unique status in media and with fans, especially compared to fellow QBs like Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes.
• Championship Pressure: “If the quarterback means what we say...then this is the time for him to go ahead and do it.” ([12:01])
• Comparison to Legends: Bomani reflects on Allen’s raw skills, juxtaposing him with John Elway and Aaron Rodgers: "Josh Allen looks so much bigger than John Elway did while doing reasonably similar things." ([16:17])
• Notable Moment: Allen’s physicality highlighted—“He took a QB Sneak for 10 yards. I still get that. Ban it. Ban it. It was absurd.” (Deontay, [17:01])
• Reality Check: Buffalo’s window is wide open, “If you go and do it, I would recommend you do it when the number one seed in your conference is quarterbacked by Bo Nix.” (Ryan Brumley, [14:25])

3. Matt LaFleur’s Future & the Packers' Coaching Carousel

Starts ~[17:38]

• Extension Rumors: Bomani and crew poke fun at “news about something that hasn’t happened”—Schefter reports Green Bay and LaFleur may work on an extension ([17:56]).
• Why the Uncertainty?: Given a collapse against Chicago, Bomani suggests, “That loss was a fireable offense.” ([19:51])
• Packers Logic: Unsure if they're trading LaFleur or simply preserving assets; recognize he’d get hired elsewhere ([21:54]).
• LaFleur’s Age & Career: Genuine confusion over LaFleur’s age and coaching timeline provides comic relief ([22:07]).

4. John Harbaugh’s Coaching Market and Leverage

Starts ~[23:03]

• Adam Schefter’s “nine teams” Report: Interest in Harbaugh came even from teams without vacancies—"At the time there were only six job openings" ([23:36]).
• Harbaugh’s Suitors & Age: “Harbaugh is also 64 years old. Are you guys sure about this?” ([25:19])
• Comparison to Coaching Peers: He’s contrasted with Andy Reid and Pete Carroll on age, adaptability, and football “philosophy” ([26:10]; [27:01]).
• Best Fit Debated: Would be ideal for a team needing discipline and professionalism but ill-suited for teams needing a full rebuild ([27:46]).
• Philosophy Concerns: Unlike Sean Payton or Andy Reid, Harbaugh’s football philosophy is less distinct ([29:01]).
• Eagles as Destination?: Discussion if/how he’d fit with Howie Roseman retaining roster control ([32:07]).

5. ICE Shooting in Minnesota & Policing in America

Starts ~[40:31]

• Background: Bomani reflects on the ICE agent-involved shooting in Minneapolis sparking renewed scrutiny.
• Systemic Critique: Bomani is “out of the business of watching people get shot”—noting police powers are applied to everyone but laws are designed to avoid accountability ([41:54]).
• Diminished Standards: Need to staff agencies like ICE leads to hiring “not our best,” often underqualified people ([43:53]).
• Social Commentary: The shooter filmed himself, not for documentation but as content, highlighting a collapse of ethical reasoning — “somebody will shoot you while making a video and not think twice about putting down the fucking phone.” ([49:11]; memorable quote)
• Minnesota as Focal Point: Cites three high-profile police violence cases in Minnesota—George Floyd, the Somali officer case, and this shooting—probing dynamics of race, policing, and public empathy.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments by Timestamp

• "The only way for you to truly lose this game is by being outcoached." — Bomani Jones, [05:26]
• "I've been a Brock Purdy skeptic for a very long time...he was clearly the better quarterback." — Ryan Brumley, [03:48]
• "Is Harbaugh terribly different than hiring Pete Carroll if you had done that a couple years ago?" — Bomani Jones, [25:19]
• "You ever seen Cocaine Cowboys?...You couldn't be a cop if you ever used drugs. That standard was too high...Are you high RIGHT NOW?" — Bomani Jones, [44:03]
• "Bottom line is we are at a place in our society, in this society where somebody will shoot you while making a video of it and not think twice about putting down the fucking phone." — Bomani Jones, [49:11]

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Calls, Fan Voicemails & Lighter Segments

Voicemails start ~[49:50]

• DJ Mike Hitman’s Motivational Rant ([50:02]): “Men, you gotta get out them damn jerseys...get your own place, your own money...If you got your own money, you don't have to go to White Castle—you go to Red Lobster.”
• FCS Football in Montana ([53:02]): Bomani breaks down why Montana, Montana State, and the Dakotas produce consistent FCS powerhouses: community focus, cold weather, unique recruiting dynamics.
• Oregon Fan’s Reggie Bush Memories ([55:47]): Nostalgic reflection on witnessing great talents (Bush, Peterson), the PAC-10 in the 2000s, and the power of early YouTube highlight tapes.
• Names in Sports Bit ([57:52]): Banter about NBA player Bryce Sensabaugh and “White Jerome Powell.”

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Tone and Style

• Conversational, witty, occasionally irreverent—mixing sharp sports critique with social reflection and humor.
• Frequent interplay and crosstalk among Bomani, Ryan, Deontay, and guest callers for dynamic pacing and layered perspectives.

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Important Segment Timestamps

| Segment | Timestamp | |---------------------------------------------------|--------------| | NFL Playoffs, Eagles’ loss start | [00:37] | | Collectively blaming Eagles, coaching issues | [04:33] | | Shanahan/Sirianni comparison, coach legacy talk | [06:13] | | Josh Allen/the AFC playoff race | [09:28] | | Brock Purdy vs. Hurts debate | [03:48] | | Packers, LaFleur extension rumors | [17:38] | | John Harbaugh’s coaching market | [23:03] | | ICE shooting in Minnesota discussion | [40:31] | | Voicemails & light segments start | [49:50] | | Montana FCS, Oregon football nostalgia | [53:02], [55:47]|

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Conclusion

This episode is a blend of sharp NFL analysis, coaching carousel intrigue, and powerful social commentary. Listeners are treated to Bomani's ability to shift from technical football breakdowns to probing questions of leadership, legitimacy, and justice—always with an eye for the absurdities and complexities that underpin both sports and society.

Transcript

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[Bomani Jones]

Foreign. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Right.

[Ryan Brumley]

Time, A Wave original.

[Bomani Jones]

My name is Bomani Jones. Thanks for listening. Wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. All right, NFL playoffs are too big. We have had these wild card weekends with some blowouts in them. Just absolute terrible action. And gotta say, they gave us bangers this weekend, right? They gave us no fewer than four absolute bangers.

[Ryan Brumley]

Cliffhangers, nail biters, however you want to put it.

[Bomani Jones]

I got to say to you, NFL, well played, baby. You gave us what we came here for. But as much as I want to like give it up overall to the NFL, and that's cool, we got to look specifically at you guys. Nobody better for business than you guys. And you know who those guys are? Those guys are the Philadelphia Eagles. They. This, this. Ryan, we've been doing this all year long where I had to tell myself, we're not going to talk about the Eagles every week, right?

[Ryan Brumley]

Had long stretches where we didn't.

[Bomani Jones]

And it was honestly because I could.

[Ryan Brumley]

Talk about the Eagles and every day.

[Deontay]

Correct.

[Ryan Brumley]

Never get tired of it.

[Deontay]

Correct. I can talk. We can talk. Jalen Hurts, Nick Sirianni, AJ Brown every day, every Monday. And they gave us every reason why we want to talk about them every Monday over the course of the last three hours.

[Ryan Brumley]

Think about this, man. They got two white dudes out here covering people, right? And that's never the issue. I never came.

[Deontay]

Never didn't come up.

[Ryan Brumley]

That's one of the bright spots of their whole situation. Like, look, man, when the white boys play a defensive back and carry the load for your team, baby, you guys gotta, you know, gotta wonder exactly what's going on here. Look, they lost this game to the 49ers, and it is the rare, flat out indefensible loss, right? Like, normally, if teams are playing at any point in the playoffs, with the.

[Bomani Jones]

Exception of that 27 game by and.

[Ryan Brumley]

Large, it's like, okay, this could probably Go either way. We talked about this with the 49ers last week. I don't know anybody that plays defense for them. Right. And then on offense, and you pointed this out, who the hell are those guys that Purdy's out here throwing the ball to?

[Deontay]

Right. Kittle goes down with the Achilles. It's a lot of Christian McCaffrey and then it's Jawan Jennings.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yes.

[Deontay]

You know, it's. It is again, it's a motley crew, dudes at Shanahan scheming up out there.

[Ryan Brumley]

That use check guys still in the league. Right, Right. And so this was the thing about it for the Eagles. The 49ers, as presently constructed, should need to make no mistakes in order to win against a team with the horses.

[Bomani Jones]

That the Eagles have. Okay.

[Ryan Brumley]

Brock Purdy threw two interceptions and they were bad interceptions.

[Bomani Jones]

Right? Like they, they, we went.

[Ryan Brumley]

I.

[Bomani Jones]

Why not just turn them around?

[Ryan Brumley]

Those were bad interceptions that he threw. They still beat the Eagles. Still beat them. Like I had been a Brock Purdy.

[Bomani Jones]

Skeptic for a very long time. Okay.

[Ryan Brumley]

He is clearly a starting NFL quarterback. And what has to really sting for the Eagles is he was clearly the better quarterback in the game. And I don't mean simply that he.

[Bomani Jones]

Played better than Jalen Hurts did.

[Ryan Brumley]

You're asking me which one of them am I going to take at this point? I'm taking Purdy. And look, man, that imaginary cookout invitation is in peril for me saying that. But I ate already. You know what I'm saying? Like. Like that's. This is. This is how it looked. This is how it appeared to be. You've got what's his name, Sirianni, after AJ Brown drops a pass running at him, right? To go scream at him. And Brown screaming right back. And they could talk all that.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah.

[Ryan Brumley]

But we still love each other. Hey, hey, hey. I tell you what my therapist will say about that kind of love, you dig? It's not really what it is. It was a collective failure. Right. Is it the quarterback's fault? Yes. Did A.J. brown drop some passes right there? Yes. And that's got to be the worst for him because he out there mad.

[Bomani Jones]

As hell cuz Jalen Hurts is not playing well.

[Ryan Brumley]

And then finally he dials it up, right on your hands on the third down. And the game matters and you don't bring it in. Right. You had that one in the first half that you did not bring in. It was everybody's fault in this game that the Eagles lost it. This is why I say Indefensible even without Lane Johnson and a couple guys.

[Bomani Jones]

You down, man.

[Ryan Brumley]

Y' all had the players. Y' all had it at the crib. The only way for you to truly.

[Bomani Jones]

Lose this game is by being out coached.

[Deontay]

All right? And let's. Let's just go through the second half. Drives, punt, punt, 10 plays, 23 yards, field goal, punt, field goal, downs to end the game.

[Bomani Jones]

Okay?

[Ryan Brumley]

And.

[Bomani Jones]

And what's Sirianni supposed to be good at? What's his thing? He's the offense guy, right?

[Ryan Brumley]

This is your offense. And look, if your quarterback isn't that guy, I'm sorry, but the other team has Brock Purdy. You understand what I'm saying? Like. Like Kyle.

[Bomani Jones]

By the way, I don't think we've talked about this nearly enough. They lost that game in the NFC championship where Brock Purdy got hurt, Right?

[Caller]

Right.

[Bomani Jones]

I know the way that we talk about Kyle Shanahan as. As a coach.

[Ryan Brumley]

I know the way that we talk.

[Bomani Jones]

About Nick Sirianni as a coach. If that's the way that we talk about Kyle Shanahan and we talk about Nick Sirianni, how do you think Kyle Shanahan talks about Nick Sirianni?

[Ryan Brumley]

Do you know how furious he was when Purdy went down? Like, do you realize for. If we think these things about Kyle.

[Bomani Jones]

Kyle really thinks these things about Kyle.

[Deontay]

And if we think these things about Sirianni, Kyle thinks these things about Sirianni.

[Ryan Brumley]

Oh, my God. So you think Kyle's out here trying to get cooked by Sirianni? Like there's a, you know, the old story. I've never.

[Bomani Jones]

I think we've talked about this on the show, but if you hadn't heard it. But Bobby Knight talks about, man, I wasn't sure how that game was going to go, that I look over and saw Dale Brown and I knew everything was.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah, yeah, that's. That's got to be Kyle Shanahan at the prospect of. Of coaching a game against Nick Sirianni.

[Bomani Jones]

And that's more or less what happened here.

[Ryan Brumley]

His team was the better coach team, period. I would not blame him if they.

[Bomani Jones]

Fired Sirianni at mid field for this game. Right?

[Ryan Brumley]

They're not going to. But what will it take, right? Because they're going to be so. At least they are so talented. And it feels like they'll be this talented for a while that they'll be able to win 10, 11, 12 games. But something's not right, right?

[Deontay]

I mean, and if something was not right all year, the vibes were not great all year. They weren't great.

[Ryan Brumley]

Last year they just won the Super Bowl.

[Deontay]

We're now two of the last three years where the vibes are terrible. You have a stunning collapse to end your season. I mean, it was. Wasn't as bad as the Bucs lost where they quit out there, but this was. The offense was as inept as it's been all year long.

[Bomani Jones]

Yes.

[Deontay]

This is More than likely A.J. brown's last game with the team. You gotta be so like. I mean, what exactly. As Deontay always says, what exactly do you do here?

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah, so. So when you are getting booed in a close playoff game. Cause here we go with that shit again.

[Bomani Jones]

That's a.

[Ryan Brumley]

That, you know, like people couldn't even. People couldn't even focus to keep the main thing. The main thing. So like.

[Bomani Jones]

Whoo.

[Ryan Brumley]

And again though, credit to Shannon, really.

[Bomani Jones]

Credit to Salah, man.

[Ryan Brumley]

Because them dudes is out there bringing the hammer with. I'm telling you again, I don't know who these people are. And I don't know who these people are because they had people who I did know, guys like Fred Warner who might go to the hall of Fame.

[Bomani Jones]

They're hurt.

[Ryan Brumley]

They were beat down. They're for my money, hall of Fame tight end. Probably post like non Gronk. Best tight end of his era in kd. It may be over for him. He just had the Achilles tear. McAffrey still getting it done.

[Bomani Jones]

I did not realize he had 400 something touches this year like this. This is a tricky one for Kyle because they're down so many guys and I don't think. I don't know what this is going to be next year for them just because of what the physical toll is going to be for all of this. But what it wasn't going to be was him losing no game to no Nick Sirian.

[Deontay]

Yeah. And after this they have to go out and they got to go play Sam Darnold and they got to go play that Mike McDonald defense.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

So. But no, this is where this gets fun, man. Because Sam Darnold is Sam Darnold. We'll have plenty of time to talk about this, but he is same Darnold. Okay.

[Deontay]

Like.

[Bomani Jones]

Like we have seen enough to know that he didn't turn into an entirely different person. But this is. Teams that have played each other twice, they're going to be it.

[Ryan Brumley]

That's going to be a very good game, I think.

[Bomani Jones]

But again, 40 the Seahawks will be nice to rest. Is 49ers beat up? I want to also say this right here. Shout out to you Josh Allen, because a. A lonely nation turns his eyes to you, apparently.

[Ryan Brumley]

Ryan.

[Bomani Jones]

I don't got no idea what the broadcasters going to do if they a had no Josh Allen for the rest of these playoffs. I had a buddy hit me up and was like, hey, man, I'd be watching the red zone for the majority of the year. So I don't hear the announcers. And I've been hearing people talk about how they be glazing Josh Allen, but he just figured that is black people being a little hypersensitive about the situation. And then he watched the game and he was like, no, no, no, that's not what happened here.

[Deontay]

And I know, I don't. You know, I think that insult applies with Romo and Josh Allen in particular. I think he's going to push him dim, you know, like, it's just all that the whole game.

[Ryan Brumley]

By the way, hate the tush push so much. Oh, my God. Like that play where they basically walk.

[Bomani Jones]

Into the end zone and his alignment basically carried him.

[Ryan Brumley]

That's not what we're.

[Bomani Jones]

That's not what this is supposed to be, right?

[Ryan Brumley]

This has got to be the last.

[Bomani Jones]

Year of it, right?

[Ryan Brumley]

And I'm not taking no credit away from Alec because the big Galute was Galutin Dog.

[Bomani Jones]

He was getting it done.

[Ryan Brumley]

I mean, he. He ain't throwing in nobody either, right?

[Bomani Jones]

You know, like, just to be clear.

[Ryan Brumley]

That was an amazing game, I thought. I mean, I didn't feel like that's a game where I come out of.

[Bomani Jones]

It really blaming people.

[Ryan Brumley]

Although I guess I didn't think you.

[Bomani Jones]

And I didn't think the Jaguars had any need to throw the ball at all. Right.

[Deontay]

I mean, they were. They were averaging at one point like eight yards a run in the first half. And Liam Cohen, these offensive coaches sometimes just can't help themselves.

[Bomani Jones]

Just can't do it, right? Like, if there's a blame, it's that. But I still.

[Ryan Brumley]

That was a game.

[Bomani Jones]

I came away from it just being.

[Ryan Brumley]

Like, hey, hats off to all parties.

[Bomani Jones]

Involved in the course of it.

[Ryan Brumley]

But I mean, this Josh Allen thing is interesting in that we have extended him a measure of patience for being in year eight of. Right. Maybe this is because we do treat Mahomes like Jordan. And so, like, we knock Charles Barkley.

[Bomani Jones]

For not winning the championship, we knocked Patrick Ewan for not winning a championship, but we don't really look at them like they were deficient because of the recognition of the time and error in which they played.

[Ryan Brumley]

Maybe that is the benefit of the.

[Bomani Jones]

Doubt that we are affording Josh Allen.

[Ryan Brumley]

Because to be fair, we don't really knock Lamar Jackson for having not won a Super Bowl.

[Deontay]

Right. We would knock him for bad playoff performance.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah.

[Deontay]

For not winning a Super Bowl.

[Ryan Brumley]

Right. Some total of it. Right. So to be fair to Josh Allen and all this, however, if the quarterback means what we say that the quarterback means, then this is the time for.

[Bomani Jones]

Him to go ahead and do it.

[Ryan Brumley]

Because, look, let me make sure, like, you go back through and you look at what the rest of this conference is going to be. It feels kind of like we're in an era in the NFL where. And I guess maybe it's been longer than this.

[Bomani Jones]

And I just.

[Ryan Brumley]

We just haven't given enough credit.

[Bomani Jones]

I know I've talked about this in the past.

[Ryan Brumley]

You can win with a starting quarterback.

[Bomani Jones]

Not necessarily a franchise quarterback. I mean, Jalen Hurts just won a Super Bowl. I think that's the definition of the starting quarterback, but not the franchise quarterback.

[Ryan Brumley]

But truthfully, before him, the last quarterback.

[Bomani Jones]

That we had win a Super bowl that truly fit that definition, I guess, is Nick Foles.

[Deontay]

I mean, we'll never say this, but.

[Ryan Brumley]

The last old versus the Tom Brady.

[Deontay]

No, I was gonna say specifically the last Patriots version of Tom Brady, because the Bucks, he was playing a little. He got. He got a little bit going towards the end of that season. And. Yeah, but he really good.

[Bomani Jones]

Bad in the playoffs.

[Deontay]

Yeah, and. Yeah, really good the last two years. So that season's weird, but I mean, the. The Patriots, Brady, where they won against the Rams 13 to 3, was kind of the last, like, kind of just a guy. Like, you know, but. But if you're. But I think Foles is a good answer.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah, but in that, though. But he's still Tom Brady.

[Deontay]

Right?

[Ryan Brumley]

Like, I guess fun, this.

[Deontay]

Yeah.

[Ryan Brumley]

Right. I mean, that year that Peyton Manning was so Awful in 2015, where they had to park him to just hope he could come back in the playoffs and give them something even with him being bad and he was throwing them Frisbees. Right. They were still some comeback wins early in that season on the strength of. He's still Peyton Manning.

[Bomani Jones]

Right. Like, there was still a magic that.

[Ryan Brumley]

He could dial up. But the afc, there's a high probability.

[Bomani Jones]

Of a dude or a younger or a young guy, like, pulling this off.

[Ryan Brumley]

In this Josh Allen to be. Who is. You know what it's. I was going to say it feels unfair to be like, to be what.

[Bomani Jones]

We say Josh Allen is.

[Ryan Brumley]

What we're asking Josh Allen to do is things that we've seen Josh Allen do before but are unfair to perhaps ask somebody to do all the time.

[Deontay]

Right. I mean this is kind, but this is like you to your point, this is kind of might be 94, 95.

[Bomani Jones]

It could be.

[Deontay]

This might be the gap without Mahomes to you got. You got to get your title now or who you know, who knows with the way these teams are constructed, right?

[Ryan Brumley]

So how about this, And I think.

[Bomani Jones]

This is the best way to think about it in that context. Forget about blame, forget about fault, forget about culpability, forget about where you're supposed to be in a given point in time.

[Ryan Brumley]

Just straight ahead. If you go and do it, I would recommend you do it when the number one seed in your conference is.

[Bomani Jones]

Quarterback by Bo Nicks. Right?

[Ryan Brumley]

Like I would recommend that now be.

[Bomani Jones]

The time that you go ahead and do it. Because the one thing that Josh Allen does have in common with Lamar Jackson.

[Ryan Brumley]

Is in the end you can make.

[Bomani Jones]

A lot of arguments about Lamar in some of these games. And you could say that he was not the reason that Baltimore lost, but.

[Ryan Brumley]

The indisputable fact was that he was.

[Bomani Jones]

Not the reason why they won't.

[Ryan Brumley]

And as of now, Josh Allen has.

[Bomani Jones]

Not been the reason that the Buffalo Bills have won the AFC.

[Ryan Brumley]

He is certainly not the reason they.

[Bomani Jones]

Lost the 13 second game or have a law and it was.

[Ryan Brumley]

But he was not the reason that they won that game either.

[Bomani Jones]

Right now's the time. Can you get this done?

[Ryan Brumley]

Can you make this happen? I don't think that there is truly any more compelling storyline left in this.

[Bomani Jones]

This is it.

[Ryan Brumley]

Can the big Galute Galute it all.

[Bomani Jones]

The way and get them to the Super Bowl.

[Ryan Brumley]

If he looks like he did at.

[Bomani Jones]

Those points in Jacksonville Riot, he's. He's so much fun, right?

[Deontay]

I mean like whether or not it's the best, you know, but when he is running around, you know, putting the cape on it is. It's about as fun as it gets.

[Bomani Jones]

So here's the thing.

[Ryan Brumley]

To me, I test number one itest.

[Bomani Jones]

Quarterback of all time is John Elway.

[Advertiser]

Right?

[Bomani Jones]

And I've had people try to make the point. To me, they come back around on it, they're like, well, Aaron Rogers.

[Ryan Brumley]

I'm like, no, but Aaron Rodgers ain't look like that. They're like, well, Aaron Rodgers, he, he.

[Bomani Jones]

He's only one inch shorter in the same weight.

[Ryan Brumley]

I hear what you're saying.

[Deontay]

Aaron Rogers wasn't. Didn't get drafted by the Yankees.

[Bomani Jones]

So. And how about this?

[Ryan Brumley]

Aaron Rogers didn't got drafted number 25. If Aaron Rogers looked like John Elway.

[Deontay]

One, one, one.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

There's.

[Ryan Brumley]

There, there's. It doesn't matter what. Right? But Josh Allen really got drafted on looks. The part. It was in spite of his actual performance where he wasn't even all conference in the Mountain West. It was in spite of it. Josh Allen looks so much bigger than John Elway did while doing reasonably similar things.

[Deontay]

Yeah, there's a big difference between 63 and 65. Nearly 66.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah, he doesn't.

[Bomani Jones]

He's not as fluid an athlete as Elway was. Right. And it doesn't look as easy or.

[Ryan Brumley]

The ball doesn't quite explode.

[Bomani Jones]

Blow it out of his hand in the way that it did out of Elway.

[Ryan Brumley]

But when this dude is rolling, man, it's just like, what?

[Deontay]

Like, what do you do?

[Ryan Brumley]

What, What, What? What in the world. And again, he's not.

[Deontay]

He took a QB Sneak for 10 yards.

[Bomani Jones]

I still get that. Ban it. Ban it. It was. It was. It was absurd. But this is.

[Ryan Brumley]

If Josh Allen wins this, it'll be.

[Bomani Jones]

Great for all parties involved because there's really. The only true reason to root against him is some measure of hating. Right?

[Ryan Brumley]

Like, like, like, like that's.

[Bomani Jones]

That's all we've got in this. But I tell you, they almost lost it. And in that loss, the coach almost lost his job. Speaking of coaches and jobs that can be lost.

[Ryan Brumley]

It's hard for me to call this shocking news because it is not really news. It's a built milquetoast as far as.

[Bomani Jones]

News goes, but still is a bit shocking.

[Ryan Brumley]

Adam Schefter is reporting, and again, this is no knock on him.

[Bomani Jones]

Right? This is just where the game goes.

[Ryan Brumley]

But Ryan, he is reporting that the packers and Matt LaFleur are expected to work on a contract extension. And that's news about something that hasn't happened. Right.

[Deontay]

You see what I mean? That's news about the reporting of a potential transaction that is not transacted.

[Ryan Brumley]

Right. It's not even just news about something that hasn't happened. It's news that something might happen. But we're not 100% sure.

[Caller]

Right.

[Ryan Brumley]

Which is not exactly news, but it is interesting. Yeah, not a knock on Schefter. Right. But it's interesting because it raises some interesting questions about, like, what in the world are the packers doing? Okay, so this is where I'm standing, right?

[Bomani Jones]

We are now a good almost 48 hours removed from that game on Saturday night where the packers fell apart in the second half against the Bears and Caleb Williams.

[Ryan Brumley]

Hey, man, do you notice this, by.

[Bomani Jones]

The way, about Caleb Williams?

[Ryan Brumley]

Well, I guess.

[Bomani Jones]

Okay, let me get to that later. Let me get to that later. I'mma hold that. We're going to talk about some playoff stuff in a little bit. I'mma hold that. Boom. We get there. Okay.

[Deontay]

I'm excited. I don't even know where you're going with this.

[DJ Mike Hitman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

But this is. This is what I'm saying.

[Ryan Brumley]

We went into this game with La Flor's job being a little shaky. Ryan, we mentioned this last show, and I noticed that apparently we got some push back on the Internet about the fact that La Flor's job might be in danger, even though people have been talking about this.

[Deontay]

Yes, it is. We don't make up these rumors. We're not. Yeah, yeah.

[Ryan Brumley]

Like, the reason I said that, I thought. I thought that we were operating with a common understanding of things. Right?

[Deontay]

Right.

[Ryan Brumley]

But apparently we were not. Okay. Then it went the way it went, and now everybody's talking about, hey, you got to fire this guy for this one. Right. Or that's the Internet chatter that goes. And I see this among reporters, not just among people I know actually exist.

[Bomani Jones]

Not just stuff on the Internet. Right.

[Ryan Brumley]

And so then it goes. And my question is, if you were the packers and there was any doubt about whether or not you were going to keep LaFleur going into Saturday after Saturday, you fire him. Like, that loss was a. That loss was a fireable offense.

[Deontay]

They were up 13 points with less than seven minutes to go in the fourth quarter.

[Ryan Brumley]

Right, right. Like, you don't get fired for every fireable offense. But if you were trying to decide if you were going to fire him, There's. There's nothing else for us to do here.

[Bomani Jones]

You.

[Ryan Brumley]

You don't even have to let him go talk to the team. Yeah, right. Or like, when he goes in and talks to the team, you know, he gets in there and is like.

[Bomani Jones]

And I will take with me the.

[Ryan Brumley]

Memories, because it's over, dog. It's over. That.

[Deontay]

That. This is it.

[Ryan Brumley]

Now. We come back Monday morning and they're.

[Bomani Jones]

Saying, oh, well, you know, they. You know, we expect that they'll work out work auditing.

[Ryan Brumley]

Oh, no, not even work out work on how hard is this? None of this.

[Deontay]

What have you been. He has one year left on his contract. What have you. What have you been doing all year?

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah, right.

[Ryan Brumley]

Because you and his agent ain't never throwing no numbers out there. Nobody. Nobody's had any conversation about this. This is what you expect me to believe? No. The only thing that I could glean from this is that the packers are in a situation where they know they probably want to move on to another coach. Now, I tend to think he's a better coach than they do, but I.

[Bomani Jones]

See what the problem is.

[Ryan Brumley]

Right.

[Bomani Jones]

You know, like, I see what the issue is if you decide to go.

[Ryan Brumley]

Ahead and make that move.

[Deontay]

Obvious, glaring issues. But this is also the same person who made Malik Willis look like a real NFL quarterback.

[Ryan Brumley]

This is what I'm saying. This is kind of like what happened with James Franklin at Penn State. Like, I don't think you're going to get a better coach, but I see why you did it.

[Bomani Jones]

Right.

[Ryan Brumley]

Right.

[Bomani Jones]

You know, now maybe they did in Penn State, but you.

[Ryan Brumley]

You get my point, right? I get why you might have made this move. I can only assume that what the packers are doing is recognizing that Leflore.

[Bomani Jones]

If they fire him, will work somewhere next year. This isn't some dude where it's like, you know, maybe I'll take a year off and go do some television. How old is he?

[Ryan Brumley]

38. I actually not sure.

[Bomani Jones]

Like, it's just hard for me to.

[Ryan Brumley]

Tell once white boy get a fade.

[Bomani Jones]

You know what I'm saying?

[Ryan Brumley]

And got like a try to be cool dude mustache.

[Bomani Jones]

He could be anywhere in the age continuum.

[Deontay]

46.

[Ryan Brumley]

He's 46? Yeah, he's older than me. Hold on. Here's what makes that crazy.

[Deontay]

You know what? You know, I. I remember he's older. Do you remember the stories about how he was Brian Kelly's graduate assistant?

[Ryan Brumley]

Oh, that's right. That's right.

[Deontay]

Central Michigan. He got invited to the party.

[Bomani Jones]

He had Salah. Were they both.

[Ryan Brumley]

Were that the ones where they were valeting cars?

[Deontay]

Yeah, they got invited to the party. They thought they were invited to the party, but they were. They were. They had. They were ballet cars.

[Ryan Brumley]

They were Prince Akeem and semi. But just for some context, you know, Sean McVay still isn't 40.

[Deontay]

Yeah, he turns 40 in two weeks.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah, he turns 40 in 2 weeks. He's 7 years older or younger than Matt LaFleur. But anyway, they must be planning to.

[Bomani Jones]

Trade him or leaving or at least.

[Deontay]

Opening the market to trade him.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah.

[Ryan Brumley]

Put themselves into a position where if somebody wants Leflore, then they can get.

[Bomani Jones]

Some picks out of the situation. Right. Baltimore is a team that we look at.

[Ryan Brumley]

The Falcons got to be like, damn, because if you want a pick, you probably want a first round pick.

[Bomani Jones]

And we ain't got One of those right now.

[Ryan Brumley]

Otherwise, this, this, this doesn't add up. Right now, the biggest loser in this.

[Bomani Jones]

Scenario that the packers have pointed out.

[Ryan Brumley]

Or maybe just a winner and it.

[Bomani Jones]

Goes a little farther down the line, is John Harbaugh.

[Ryan Brumley]

When John Harbaugh got fired, Adam Schefter told the world that nine teams had.

[Bomani Jones]

Reached out to team Harbaugh. At the time, there were only six job openings.

[Deontay]

I think there's a. It's a pretty easy math on who those three teams are.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah. Who you got?

[Bomani Jones]

The Giants.

[Deontay]

No, the team. Not teams without openings.

[Bomani Jones]

Oh, yeah, without. Okay, so the packers at the time.

[Deontay]

The Packers.

[Bomani Jones]

The Dolphins at the time.

[Deontay]

I see I was going Packers, Eagles, Bills.

[Ryan Brumley]

Oh, yeah. But remember, the Dolphins had a coach at the time.

[Deontay]

That's true. The Dolphins did have a coach at the time.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. So like.

[Ryan Brumley]

But all of these are on the board. The Eagles.

[Bomani Jones]

That's the tricky one, right?

[Deontay]

Yeah, we talked about that.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah, we already, we already got into that.

[Bomani Jones]

Don't need to do that again.

[Ryan Brumley]

But Harbaugh has all this leverage. Like, apparently he's got a list of demands that is starting to float around. And who has any idea if those demands are true? That could be just as easily leaked out by a team that is trying.

[Bomani Jones]

To poison the well and make people not want him.

[Ryan Brumley]

But in the end, he is accomplished. His teams have been consistently good. He is basically thought of as a.

[Bomani Jones]

Guy that people can get along with and an ego that will allow him to put people in places and let them do their jobs.

[Ryan Brumley]

Like, I see all the reasons why people would be interested in hiring him, but did you, did you see what just happened with the last team that he coached with one of the three best quarterbacks in the NFL? And no matter what you might say.

[Bomani Jones]

About Lamar Jackson and what the word.

[Ryan Brumley]

On the street might be and so forth and so on, he's Lamar Jackson and he's the guy that saved Harbaugh's.

[Bomani Jones]

Job in the first place. However many years ago it's been now. Right. Seven going on eight.

[Ryan Brumley]

Okay. He's the guy who did that. Harbaugh is also 64 years old. Are you guys sure about this? Like, is this terribly different than hiring Pete Carroll if you had done that a couple of years ago? And I want to be clear about something. Pete Carroll is a lot older than John Harbaugh.

[Bomani Jones]

Right. But.

[Ryan Brumley]

At this point, right.

[Bomani Jones]

This.

[Ryan Brumley]

About a 10 year age gap between them.

[Deontay]

Won a Super bowl about a decade ago.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah.

[Deontay]

Feuded with his. At the time, star quarterback.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah.

[Deontay]

Struggled to hire and promote coordinators.

[Bomani Jones]

Yep.

[Ryan Brumley]

Kind of gradual decline.

[Deontay]

Cried. A gradual decline. And. Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

And.

[Deontay]

And then had, you know, epic playoff failures and high leverage moments.

[Bomani Jones]

Yep.

[Ryan Brumley]

And by the way, when I mean, gradual decline is not even in the record.

[Bomani Jones]

Right.

[Ryan Brumley]

But it's in things around the edges of the program. Right. That's what all the reports that you.

[Bomani Jones]

Get now about Harbaugh in Baltimore is.

[Ryan Brumley]

It just kind of frayed around the edges. He didn't lose the team. Right. Like it wasn't all over. Now, it is possible that. And I've seen this example be made about Harbaugh that maybe it's like Andy Reid and you just need to leave.

[Bomani Jones]

This one place and then go somewhere else and restart.

[Ryan Brumley]

Couple of things.

[Bomani Jones]

One, I have a much clearer idea of what the Andy Reid football philosophy is. And you know, what he's bringing. I'm not saying Harbaugh doesn't have these things. I'm saying I don't have as clear an idea about it. Number two, John Harbaugh is 64 today. Andy Reid is 67 today.

[Ryan Brumley]

Andy Reid made that job change 13 years ago. He was 54.

[Bomani Jones]

You see what I'm saying?

[Ryan Brumley]

Like, we're not talking about the same.

[Bomani Jones]

Thing under those circumstances. But he's such a great fit for the Giants.

[Ryan Brumley]

You know what I mean? Like, he's exactly the kind of guy that Giants want.

[Deontay]

If you are an organizational dumpster fire and you're like, we have to get an adult in here.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yes.

[Deontay]

I understand the logic behind it. But like if you have a three, let's say you need a two year rebuild to find your quarterback and turnover your roster.

[Ryan Brumley]

Not the guy.

[Deontay]

Yeah. And even if he was, he'd be 66.

[Ryan Brumley]

Right.

[Bomani Jones]

But hold on. Let's think about this.

[Ryan Brumley]

Because what John Harbaugh never had to do was rebuild.

[Deontay]

Right?

[Ryan Brumley]

Right. He has never had to start it from the bottom. When they fired Brian Billick, that team wasn't great. But it still had, I want to say four hall of Famers.

[Deontay]

Right.

[Ryan Brumley]

Right.

[Deontay]

And a top three GM and Ozzie Nome.

[Ryan Brumley]

Right. You got Ozzy Newsome. You had Ray Lewis, you had Ed Reed, you had Terrell Suggs, they had.

[Bomani Jones]

Quarterback Ogden retired at the end of 07.

[Deontay]

Gotcha.

[Ryan Brumley]

So, but, but, but point has been made.

[Bomani Jones]

Right?

[Deontay]

Yeah. Correct.

[Bomani Jones]

Everybody sees what we're talking about. Now. If we look at the job openings that are there. Oh, the jets, not an opening. That's wild.

[Deontay]

Yes.

[Ryan Brumley]

The Giants kind of sort of rebuild. But I guess it depends on. It depends on how far along you feel like Their quarterback is.

[Bomani Jones]

And how long he's got to go before he gets his egg cracked.

[Ryan Brumley]

The Browns.

[Bomani Jones]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't think that's a win for either side of this if it comes to it. Well, the packers, maybe we.

[Ryan Brumley]

The packers are the team where Harbaugh would have had all the leverage. Right. The word on the street, something he.

[Bomani Jones]

Wanted like $20 million a year.

[Ryan Brumley]

This is not.

[Bomani Jones]

This is not Sean Payton.

[Ryan Brumley]

Right. Like, this is not a guy that I look at. Like.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah, that's the one that we.

[Deontay]

And be clear. Sean Payton. Clear foibles, but someone with a clear football philosophy.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, when you bring him in, everything is different in a way that is.

[Bomani Jones]

Not quite the same.

[Ryan Brumley]

Like, Harbaugh's not that kind of personality.

[Deontay]

And. And he still has Bill Parcels putting him over.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yes. By the way, Jon is not his brother. Right.

[Bomani Jones]

Like, you tell me that we're coming in with his brother and we gonna turn this thing over.

[Ryan Brumley]

And by the way, he never really had to. He didn't have to rebuild with the 49ers.

[Deontay]

No.

[Ryan Brumley]

He didn't have to rebuild with the Chargers. He went places with at least a quarterback. All right, I can do something with this.

[Bomani Jones]

You know, if you take John Harbaugh to Atlanta, that becomes interesting because they don't need a rebuild, but they also don't really have a quarterback.

[Deontay]

Right.

[Bomani Jones]

And the one that they might got got one leg.

[Deontay]

Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

You know, he's not going to Tennessee.

[Deontay]

Right.

[Bomani Jones]

Right.

[Ryan Brumley]

Like, that's, that's.

[Bomani Jones]

That's not going to be a place.

[Deontay]

That he reeks of Clint Kubiak. You know, just like the next person in the McVeigh Shanahan tree just getting another job now.

[Ryan Brumley]

I bet you you could get Mark.

[Bomani Jones]

Davis to give you a go. Zillion dollars. But, oh, who all. Money ain't good money, baby. You know what I mean? The Cardinals.

[Ryan Brumley]

The Cardinals are very confusing because, I.

[Bomani Jones]

Don'T know, they don't.

[Ryan Brumley]

They have a quarterback, but they don't want them.

[Deontay]

And also sneaky dysfunctional franchise.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah. And I don't know where they're supposed.

[Bomani Jones]

To get this other court. Like, they're doing a lot of things that your boy don't understand is all I'm saying.

[Ryan Brumley]

I don't know where this place is.

[Bomani Jones]

That's a John Harbaugh way from making this go. And how many double digit losses, I.

[Ryan Brumley]

Mean, leads have they blown?

[Bomani Jones]

Like, what have these playoff scenarios been under Lamar Jackson.

[Ryan Brumley]

He's been right there with them.

[Deontay]

You Know where the best scenario for hypothetical John Harbaugh is?

[Bomani Jones]

The Ravens or, or, or the Steelers.

[Deontay]

Yeah. Like, I do like the idea of them just trading coaches.

[Ryan Brumley]

You know, there's, it's, there's so many interesting ideas there.

[Bomani Jones]

Right.

[Ryan Brumley]

Because each is the kind of coach that the other franchise is into. Right, right, right. They, they fit each other's this stability. Right. You know, they're gonna be some looks professionalism perhaps, but it's gonna be a pretty steady ship as it goes across the board. And by the way, all of this is why. Nope.

[Bomani Jones]

The Steelers are not moving all for no Mike Tomlin. Right.

[Ryan Brumley]

Like that's.

[Bomani Jones]

Unless they go hire John Harbaugh. I don't know. But hey, we're saying this before the Steelers play this game against the Houston Texans. So we don't know exactly what any of this could be, but Harbaugh has all the leverage.

[Ryan Brumley]

And I just want to know who.

[Bomani Jones]

Are the people that are sitting in there and being like, wait a minute now, wait a minute. Because look, the whole league did that with Bill Belichick. And I think as of now those decisions have been vindicated. Now, the difference is Belichick has a clear football philosophy and that may have been the problem.

[Deontay]

Right, right.

[Bomani Jones]

And particularly a philosophy on talent evaluation.

[Deontay]

His philosophy is I know what I'm doing.

[Bomani Jones]

Yep.

[Deontay]

Which is.

[Ryan Brumley]

Trust me.

[Deontay]

Which worked. Which worked really well for, you know, about 18 years.

[Bomani Jones]

Yes.

[Deontay]

Until it didn't.

[Bomani Jones]

Okay, so let's think about this with Philadelphia former Eagles assistant John Harbaugh. Okay.

[Ryan Brumley]

Let's just say the Eagles. Look man, they gonna have to fire. Is the day is going to come.

[Bomani Jones]

Where they got to fire Seriani after going like 12 and 5, 11 and 6.

[Deontay]

Right.

[Bomani Jones]

I think we talked about that before. Like that's.

[Ryan Brumley]

That's going to happen at some point could Harb Harbaugh would not be a terrible fit there. But is Harbaugh trying to work in a situation where how he got all the power and is running the roster? Because it sounds like Harbaugh wants to.

[Bomani Jones]

Go somewhere where he's got all that.

[Deontay]

Power, which is also another interesting, you know, decision to give to a 64 year old.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah, man. Like this is. It's an awkward time. It's the greatest time in the world.

[Bomani Jones]

For him to get fired, but it's.

[Ryan Brumley]

Not a great time for him to get hired. Like I don't. We're going to learn a lot about.

[Bomani Jones]

What all these front offices truly prioritize in this moment.

[Ryan Brumley]

And I would say, for example, if you're John Harbaugh and the Giants want to hire you. That is an indictment of you. Like nothing about the Giants hiring of.

[Bomani Jones]

Late says, oh boy, they know what they're doing. You know what I mean?

[Ryan Brumley]

Like, Al Davis used to mess up a lot in hiring, but he used to try to hire a lot of guys that turned out to be good.

[Bomani Jones]

You know what I mean?

[Ryan Brumley]

Like, if Al Davis wanted to hire you, you were 32. It might have meant something. People just didn't didn't want to go work for him.

[Bomani Jones]

The ones who could.

[Ryan Brumley]

But if the, the people who brought you Ben Maadu, Pass Shermer, Brian DBO Judge, Joe Brown. Joe Judge. That was his name. If they are like, yo, we see something in you.

[Bomani Jones]

Whoa, whoa, whoa whoa whoa. What that supposed to supposed to mean, partner? You know what you what kind of, what kind of what you think about me right now?

[Deontay]

I'm just going to point out for the record that you insulted Jim John Harbaugh in the same way you backhanded compliment Lane Kiffin.

[Bomani Jones]

I did. I it's, it's actually the shining thing on the Lane Kiffin resume is that Al Davis thought he might got something like that.

[Ryan Brumley]

That really is the thing, right? And then, by the way, one year.

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[Deontay]

All right, both three games we haven't really hit Rams big Wig went over the Panthers, the Bears comeback went over the packers and then the Patriots beating down the Charger last night. Who is the biggest winner and loser from these three games?

[Bomani Jones]

Okay, now out of these three games I think, well, the biggest loser I think again is Battle Floor who just.

[Deontay]

Got through talking about Justin Herbert's close.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah, but say the runner up I.

[Bomani Jones]

Think is Justin Herbert.

[Ryan Brumley]

Where I want to be fair to him though, right? Their tackles have been out all Year, he's got a hand so busted up, can't take snaps from under center. I like that.

[Deontay]

That that's going to be the take war today.

[Bomani Jones]

Yes, it is.

[Ryan Brumley]

Oh. But first things first is this is the ready made topic for first things first, this Justin Herbert situation. I think Herbert again wound up in.

[Bomani Jones]

A situation where we said with Josh.

[Ryan Brumley]

Allen before, I do not think he.

[Bomani Jones]

Is the reason that they lost that.

[Ryan Brumley]

Game, but it is very clear that he is not the reason why they won that game. Right. So, like, he's a runner up there in the loser category.

[Bomani Jones]

Um, honestly, the winner.

[Ryan Brumley]

It'S like it's either Caleb Williams or it's Drake May. And I mean that in the sense.

[Bomani Jones]

That obviously a win legitimizes both of them.

[Ryan Brumley]

Um, and for May, even though May has been better this year, Caleb Williams felt like he was on the clock this year.

[Deontay]

Right.

[Ryan Brumley]

You know, like the.

[Deontay]

That article that came out at the beginning of the year.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah, the Tyler Dunn. Yes. Right. And by the way, it looks to me, and I could be wrong, I.

[Bomani Jones]

Don'T know these people.

[Ryan Brumley]

Okay. I don't think those people like him, but it is reaching the point where it doesn't really matter. Right, Right. Like, he is. He had a jump on my back performance in that game and he is so good when he gets to jump on my back point. Right. Like what, what Johnson has gotten out of him is we're not taking the sacks. That by itself is a giant improvement for him where he took something like.

[Bomani Jones]

40 fewer sacks this season than he did last season. And man, he's got an arm.

[Ryan Brumley]

Right. When this is. Just get back there, move around a little bit, see what might happen. He was making throws that I could not believe. My goodness, I couldn't believe the stuff.

[Bomani Jones]

That he was doing.

[Ryan Brumley]

And so now he's skipped over the question, well, maybe when will he win a playoff game?

[Bomani Jones]

Question. That one is already answered. You know what I mean?

[Ryan Brumley]

They get a whole playoff game again. Right, right.

[Deontay]

They play the Rams.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. Like, you know, and that one, hey, the Rams just struggled against an 8 and 9 team.

[Ryan Brumley]

By the way, shout out to the little homie. He did the best he could and it was pretty good. Like, way to go, Bryce.

[Bomani Jones]

Y' all just don't take no more pictures with Mina.

[Ryan Brumley]

That just.

[Bomani Jones]

That messed everything up for you, man.

[Deontay]

That was a bit of a tough beat. All right, well, let's transition a bit more of a serious topic. Trump administration says they will send hundreds more federal agents to Minneapolis over the week following the weekend to support ICE agents after, of course, the shooting of a woman there. But what's your reaction to what's going on in Minnesota?

[Ryan Brumley]

All right, man.

[Bomani Jones]

So this is my thing about ICE in there. And, you know, I think most of the top line things have been said by people already. I think observing what happened is fairly obvious what it was. I'm a bit out of the business of saying obvious things at this point. Right. Like that's. That's not the direction that I want to go in. And generally speaking, I'm out of the business of watching people get shot. Okay. So I have not, like, deep in the. Like, I don't know the way to put it, but, you know, when we used to talk about the police killing people all the time before we got bored with it, I used to get in there and, like, watch these videos and, you know, get in and investigating. It was like I was trying to prove a point, like, argue the truth of the matter to people to win the argument until realizing that the particulars didn't matter. The particulars weren't the point. Right. And there were all these little details that you could come up with and you were trying to explain if it was justified or not. The laws were engineered in such a way to where this question never really came up. And the real issue was just about whether or not people possess the requisite level of empathy for black people under these circumstances. Right. And I felt like that was the fight that was being had at that time was a fight about humanity. And there was always a little subtle undercurrent of the discussion, which basically implied.

[Ryan Brumley]

That white people didn't care that much if white people got shot by the cops either. Right. Like, the argument would wind up being from some people.

[Bomani Jones]

And I'd seen this often where black folks would bring up these numbers about black people getting killed by the cops or what happens if black people get caught by the cops. And the response to it was, well, this doesn't just happen to black people.

[Ryan Brumley]

Which is a really interesting answer for people to have. Right. But it was the truth. All these laws and the way they go apply to if you smoke a white person too. And they were on occasion smoking white.

[Bomani Jones]

People and getting away with it.

[Ryan Brumley]

Like, you know, these same things were going on, which got to, like a larger police state sort of issue that, again, I don't think we ever resolved. We just kind of moved on and talked about something else. Well, now we're dealing with a different.

[Bomani Jones]

Macro issue on top of it. And that issue was ice, okay? La migra as nuestros Hermanos call it.

[Ryan Brumley]

Right. The immigration police that we have, which is a force that's been around for a while, but a force that gets beefed up because they need more people to do the job.

[Bomani Jones]

Ryan, I don't know how much subway.

[Ryan Brumley]

Riding you doing, but I seen the.

[Bomani Jones]

Advertisements on there, right? You know, like, they. Out here.

[Ryan Brumley]

I'm just saying that they looking for.

[Bomani Jones]

ICE agents, not in the places where you get your best and brightest.

[Deontay]

I mean, there. There's articles and facts, figures about the people they're finding.

[Ryan Brumley]

They're terrible.

[Deontay]

They're. To put it succinctly and bluntly, they're overweight and they can't read.

[Bomani Jones]

Right.

[Ryan Brumley]

And this is not.

[Deontay]

Which is. Which is, at minimum, not great qualifications for cops.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah, yeah. These are not. This is not a generalization that he's making here. Like, have you ever seen Cocaine Cowboys?

[Deontay]

Yes.

[Bomani Jones]

So it's a documentary about just kind of the building of modern Miami, basically.

[Ryan Brumley]

But they made a point that as.

[Bomani Jones]

Miami got bigger and bigger and the drug game got bigger and bigger, they.

[Ryan Brumley]

Needed more and more police. But they were unable to find police that met the minimum standards that they had for the police force. Like, for example, it started with, you.

[Bomani Jones]

Couldn'T be a cop if you would ever use drugs. Okay, well, that standard was too high.

[Ryan Brumley]

And then it got to be, well.

[Bomani Jones]

You haven't used drugs in the last two years, and that standard was too high.

[Ryan Brumley]

And it got to, can you pass a drug test? And that standard was too high. And it basically got to, are you high right now? Because this is what happens when you need to build up the staff of.

[Bomani Jones]

An organization very quickly. You cannot really have standards. Now, this gentleman that shot this woman in Minnesota, I don't know how long he's been there. I mean, for all I know, he is a decorated police officer somewhere else and then wound up here. If I had to guess, that's probably not the case. Right.

[Ryan Brumley]

So what we have is a force that has a lot of. Not actual law enforcement officers. Right.

[Deontay]

Or substitute teachers at best.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yes, yes. Newbies, like volunteers, whatever it is. Right. But these are not. This ain't our best.

[Bomani Jones]

That's out here.

[Ryan Brumley]

Okay, so you're taking these people. And again, I'll let you make your.

[Bomani Jones]

Own conclusions about what happened with the shooting itself.

[Ryan Brumley]

What I will point out, though, is that the dude, the whole way, was filming it himself with his own cell phone.

[Bomani Jones]

Okay.

[Ryan Brumley]

And when it came time to shoot, the woman passes the cell phone from one hand to the other hand so he can use his trigger hand to. To shoot into the woman's car and then calls her a bitch after it's said and done. Okay, the reason that this cat is filming this, this isn't a body cam.

[Bomani Jones]

That I'm talking about, right?

[Deontay]

Or the dash cam on the car or something like that.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

Or something.

[Deontay]

Something that he opted into filming this video.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yes. Something that exists to document. Right. Something that exists in case something like this happens. No, man. They out here making content. You see how crazy. You want to see how crazy that is? Like, this is. This is like, if there's any reflection of the madness of the world that we live in right now is that somebody's out here making content and did not think to himself, hey, I maybe shouldn't shoot somebody right now because I'm taking a video of it. Not just somebody might be taking a video of it. You never know if somebody's looking.

[Bomani Jones]

I'm taking a video of it and.

[Ryan Brumley]

Still shot this woman. What? Like, like, like, like, like, like, like what, what, like what. What exactly is it that we're doing? And so you can send more ages up there because it is getting kind of cracking, right? Like, this is. I mean, there have been.

[Deontay]

That's what happens, obviously, you know, when a situation gets escalated. Yeah, yeah. You know, this. You know, it's kind of a situation of our own making. But yes, it is an escalated situation.

[Ryan Brumley]

Okay, but think about this, too.

[Bomani Jones]

This is the third high profile shooting that I can think of that has happened in Minnesota in the last. I guess we'll call it 10 years or so. Okay. Or not shooting, police violence situation. I don't know. You know the word officer involved?

[Ryan Brumley]

Is that how they put it?

[Deontay]

Yes.

[Bomani Jones]

One of them obviously is George Floyd, right? This one is this one. But the first one, I don't know if people realize this. You know, the police don't never get in trouble for shooting people. Okay. I believe at the time that there had been. There's been one incident in the state of Minnesota where a police officer had, you know, I think. I don't remember if it was brought under indictment, conviction, whatever it is, for shooting a civilian. And it was this one. And it was when it was a Somali police officer, okay. And a woman walked around to his side of the car and he turned and shot her. Okay. And they got him for that one. Now, I've been paying attention to people getting shot by the police all the time, along with living a life where I'm trying not to get shot by the police.

[Ryan Brumley]

That sort of situation.

[Bomani Jones]

I guarantee you, if it's me, ain't nobody getting indicted. Okay? You walked up over that man's shoulder. He feared for his life, right? Turned his shot. That's this situation to me, Ryan, is like it was a white woman. Important to note.

[Ryan Brumley]

So this situation is like the in.

[Bomani Jones]

Between of the two, right?

[Ryan Brumley]

It looks fairly indefensible, but also has a combination of that maybe you shouldn't do that thing that people easily jump on.

[Bomani Jones]

I'm not saying that's true.

[Ryan Brumley]

Saying that's the thing that people easily jump on.

[Bomani Jones]

But it's also a white woman who wound up getting shot. So, like somebody who doesn't necessarily fit.

[Ryan Brumley]

The profile, who gets shot by the.

[Bomani Jones]

Police when people start shrugging their shoulders, right?

[Ryan Brumley]

That whole jumbled mess of things. I doubt that there's going to be.

[Bomani Jones]

Any punishment that's laid down, especially because the FBI say that they want to look into it. And that seems potentially self serving, I think is the fairest way to put what that might be. But bottom line is we are at a place in our society, in this society where somebody will shoot you while making a video of it and not think twice about putting down the fucking phone.

[Deontay]

All right, Bo, get the voicemails. Time to bring back a show favorite.

[Ryan Brumley]

What's up?

[DJ Mike Hitman]

What's up? Happy New Year to everyone. This is DJ Mike Hitman. I got the things I gotta tell y'.

[Caller]

All.

[DJ Mike Hitman]

25 is over.

[Caller]

20, 26 is here.

[Bomani Jones]

It's a new year.

[DJ Mike Hitman]

I got some things I want to say. I want the man to be men. The three things I need y' all to do. First, get out your mama house. You gotta get out to mama house. Get out the basement. Pay your own bill. You should have your own car and you should have your own apartment, because you don't have your own apartment. 1 okay, put you out. You could go to your own place. That's the problem, man. You're living with these women. They put you out. It's time for you to be men. Men. You gotta get out them damn jersey. You ain't Roger style back. You ain't Drew Pearson and you ain't Tom Land. You're walking around with them damn jersey. Get out them damn jersey. You don't play football. Be a man. Get a shirt and tie. Get a job. Okay? I need all you man to go get. If you don't know how to fix nothing and not a damn thing. Go get a hammer, a screwdriver apply. Keep around the house. Make it seem like you know how to do something. Because if you don't, I'm going to be the maintenance man coming over there. Hello. What you need fixed? Okay. Get the tools in the house, guys. It's 20, 26. Play like you know how to fix something. This is. You gotta have. Guys, have your own car, have your own place, have your own money. You know why? Because you got your own car. You could drive places nobody gotta take you. You got your own house or your apartment. You don't have to be willing to get put out. Cause you in our house, you say get out. You got somewhere to go and sleep. If you got your own money, you don't have to go to White Castle. You go to Red Lobster, you go to Bennegan, you go to Michael Jordan's house. You're making your own money. Quit depending on these women. Women's is good when you walk with them, talk with them, hold them. That's what all they good the other days in that you don't need a woman for everything. I need a woman because she cooked greens.

[Ryan Brumley]

Gang.

[Bomani Jones]

True. Gang.

[Deontay]

That is the. The abridged version. Yes.

[Bomani Jones]

That is.

[Deontay]

That is.

[Ryan Brumley]

That is true game Mike here with.

[Bomani Jones]

Me right now, asking what time is going to run. That's what that text was about, right?

[Deontay]

Okay. I was very confused. All right, let's get to our next one.

[Caller]

Hey, Bo e from the dmv, I got an FCS football question. So Montana State just won national championship, and we know North Dakota State is a superpower at this level, but what is the glitch in the matrix out there that those schools have found to be so powerful every year? Because both the Montana schools seem to be good every year. South Dakota State's a championship level team as well. Like, what is happening out there on the frontier that they get all these Cooper DeJean dream teams and are beating everybody else up? I know those schools are the only shows in town in those states, but everybody has nice facilities. Now how are they getting players or coaches and destroying everybody? Thanks, man. Talk to you later.

[Bomani Jones]

All right, so I think there are a couple things here. We are stretching the extent of my powers, but I'm gonna go for this, right? Number one, as we talked about with Coupe DeJean, who's from South Dakota. Can't nobody tell you you can't play corner out there. Cause it's only y' all playing corner. You see what I'm saying?

[Ryan Brumley]

Like. Like, you gotta. You gotta.

[Bomani Jones]

You gotta rise up in a different sort of way because there's nobody to trample your self esteem, you know, and tell you that you're not good enough, right? Like, yo, like I've said this many times, all them super cold white boys, man, they tend to be places super cold and full of. From places super cold and full of white boys, right? That's a big part of it. Number two, I'mma just throw this out here for you. If a brother want it so bad that he going to go to Montana.

[Ryan Brumley]

To get it, he ain't going out.

[Bomani Jones]

There to fuck around.

[Ryan Brumley]

You understand what I'm saying? Like, if you want it so bad.

[Bomani Jones]

That you willing to go out there, you mean business with a D. So I imagine that you get some like.

[Ryan Brumley]

Cold beast on that front, right? Or, you know, a lot of can't.

[Bomani Jones]

Go back All Stars now. You got to go all the way out there to Minnesota, even Montana to make it happen. It's going to be that.

[Ryan Brumley]

And then there's number three.

[Bomani Jones]

And this is the part that gets forgotten. Okay?

[Ryan Brumley]

Montana football may not be a big.

[Bomani Jones]

Deal to you, but Montana football is.

[Ryan Brumley]

A big deal in Montana, right?

[Bomani Jones]

There are people at Montana and Montana.

[Ryan Brumley]

State who really, really care about the football.

[Bomani Jones]

And some of them may not got.

[Ryan Brumley]

All the bread, but they got some bread, right? They got a little money.

[Bomani Jones]

The forces of competition are still going to be there.

[Ryan Brumley]

They got a level at which they can be good.

[Bomani Jones]

And once they decide they going to.

[Ryan Brumley]

Be good, they going to invest in what level of being good they can wind up getting. It's cats cheating in juco, baby.

[Bomani Jones]

People.

[Deontay]

People in this country love football everywhere, all sorts of football at every level. People love football.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah. And if you set it up in such a way where the state is.

[Bomani Jones]

Just big enough to have two teams.

[Ryan Brumley]

Even if it's just two teams that play on the same level, okay? Now the economics of it comes into play now they battling.

[Bomani Jones]

You see what I'm saying?

[Ryan Brumley]

And now it goes right?

[Bomani Jones]

You know, and then, you know, there's the other part, man. So army white boys up them ways for what I.

[Ryan Brumley]

For what I've seen on the Internet and in documentaries.

[Deontay]

Yeah. I mean, I've seen Yellowstone, you know, up there.

[Ryan Brumley]

Y' all ain't. Y' all are not here for being tread upon. Is that. Is that. Is that how they put it?

[Deontay]

I believe that is what that has been co opted.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah. Yeah, buddy. And I tell you this too. You better not try to carjack none of them. Oh, no. They ready.

[Deontay]

All right, we got two more.

[Caller]

Hi, Bo, this is Doug. I'm from Tokyo. Long time.

First time.

I wanted to call about that throwback Tuesday at The USC Texas game. I am an Oregon alum. I was in school for that 2005 season. And of course, the PAC 10 at the perfect round robin series at that time. So we played us. That was a huge game. Tickets were. Students had to line up for tickets. And it was a mile long for that. And that was dropped on Tuesday or Wednesday that week. And then we got our doors blown off. 4513. And sitting from the student section, Seeing Reggie Bush in person was not there. 2005, for the younger viewers was also when YouTube came out. And one of the first things we went to see on YouTube was the Reggie Bush high school highlights. I think those are probably still up, and those are still a treat. But as an Oregon fan, seeing Reggie Bush play in person and then the next year, seeing Adrian Peterson men versus boys in the college game at a university that's supposed to be injecting all this money is completely unfair. We did have a squad in 2005. We went 10 1, actually 102 with the off season and lost to both Reggie Bush and Adrian Peterson. I guess that's how it goes.

Thanks.

Love the show.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah, boy, like, that was the thing. He said it before I could.

[Ryan Brumley]

That Oregon team was actually pretty good.

[Deontay]

I mean, those early, you know, mid-2000s Oregon teams.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah.

[Deontay]

I mean, they should have won the national title in 07. Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. Until Dennis Dixon got hurt.

[Deontay]

Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

But he also brought up something, and that was real. It was the Reggie White YouTube tape. Reggie Bush and Reggie Bush, big difference. And although, can you imagine if there was a high school Reggie White? No.

[Deontay]

No.

[Bomani Jones]

But there was also the Noel Divine. Yes. Which came out around a similar time. And that was comedy, like, literal comedy. It was like watching Odd Job off of whatchamacallit. James Bond. In a good way, though.

[Deontay]

Yeah. All right, Bo, here's our last one.

[Caller]

Hey, Boma, this is Will from Oklahoma City. I was just calling. So one of my favorite bits on the show is, say, people whose names may not match exactly what you're expecting. So, for example, like, Federal Reserve chair Jerome Powell would be one. But I want to make a submission. I found a new one the other night, so I'm pretty plugged in with the NBA, and I'd heard this name floating around during, like, I don't know, I guess whenever this dude got drafted or just here and there. But I'm watching the Thunder Jazz the other night, and this is the first time I had ever seen Bryce Sensabaugh. And we'll just say, I. That was not what I expected. I love the show. Keep up the good work. Also, shout out White Monty. I got a uncle. That's White Monty.

Bye.

[Ryan Brumley]

Actually, I gotta say, Bryce Sensabaugh is checking in.

[Bomani Jones]

Exactly as I thought.

[Deontay]

Really?

[Bomani Jones]

Because every sensible I've ever heard of is a professional athlete, and they are black. There was one that played in the NFL and went to Carolina named Gerald Sensibaugh. He is good friends with my buddy Michael Felder. And I'm just here to tell you, there's no question about where Gerald Sensabaugh falls in line.

[Ryan Brumley]

Also, I feel like we have taken Bryce.

[Deontay]

You have taken. I mean, that might be a two. America's taking Bryce.

[Bomani Jones]

Ah, you got a good point. You got a good point. You know what?

[Ryan Brumley]

He's Bryce with an I and not a Y.

[Deontay]

That. That's a good. That's a good counter.

[Bomani Jones]

So I can see every year, the sensible. I can see being ours.

[Ryan Brumley]

By the way, I meant to bring up white Jerome Powell in my last sec. Yeah, he's in the news because word on the street is that Trump is trying to put this man under. He's the chairman of the Federal Reserve, and he's not even trying to put up an indictment for, like, actually stealing money. It's for a renovation of a building. Right.

[Deontay]

Which is ironic also, given, you know, that's a.

[Bomani Jones]

That's a.

[Ryan Brumley]

That's a great point. Like, anytime something like that happens, I can't. Like, I'm like, does Trump remember that Jerome Powell is who he is? Right.

[Bomani Jones]

Or is he assuming it's another Jerome, and therefore he's just going with the standard playbook? Except Trump, he tried to throw white people in jail, too. You know what I'm saying?

[Ryan Brumley]

He's the guy that's like, I'm not racist. I just hate people.

[Bomani Jones]

But, hey, ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us here on the Right Time. We do this four days a week. Ryan Brumley handles everything behind the scenes. Thank you, sir. Remember, hit the voicemail line 323-596-7767.

[Ryan Brumley]

And remember, follow the right time.

[Bomani Jones]

Subscribe like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. We'll talk to you guys in a couple of days. Take it easy, Sa.