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Foxworth Friday: QB Tiers and Tears, QuarterBlacks and Blackups, and Meeting Ciara | 3.21
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Right Time, a wave original presented by Perplexity. My name is Bomani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe like Rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. It is, in fact, a Foxworth Friday. Dominique Fosworth. What's going on?
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Still feels good to hear. I'm happy to be here. This two in one month, man.
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It is.
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Don't get used to it, folks. Don't get greedy.
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Damn, dog.
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When you say folks, you mean me.
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B
No, I don't mean you. I don't mean you. I mean the people who be mad at me every time I don't show up.
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You mean me. That is exactly who you're talking about. This done turned our whole world. Look, man, you got too busy. They done gave l another TV show. It's a handful of y'. All. Y' all like, at least Joel don't move D. So we kind of get him back. But like this show, it's a little tricky because this show does not work as well. Just get somebody, quote unquote, interesting to talk about. You got, we, we gotta, we gotta, we gotta serve. We gotta have a volley. You know what I'm saying? I can't just necessarily go pull somebody out of nowhere. And I realized, man, once I started losing a couple people, I'm like, damn. I mean, it's not the bench is deep. Yeah, when the bench is deep. But when we gotta have three people from the bench on the floor and. And. And Dominique over there in street clothes, the Bench is no longer deep.
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B
My apologies. And speaking of Joel, man, he came east, man, moved 10 minutes from my house. I've been texting him and, man, oh, moving in. I've been moving in. He don't want to be my friend. I thought I had a new friend in town. And it's clear that this man don't want to be my friend. So it's fine.
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You'll probably get him soon. Like, we had. We had Joel on. On Wednesday. Like, we taped with him. He had just moved into the crib, you know what I'm saying? So, like, let him get out of the swirl of chaos. You might. You might. You might have a little. Little situation there. Now. He might be bringing small children with him. You know what I'm saying?
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That's fine. I got. I got three kids, and they all love kids, too, so it's good. We got built in babysitters.
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I say this too. Boy, Joel figured out the greatest kid hack I've ever seen, which is his son, who I think is either three or turns three. Like, he's ish, right?
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He loves parking garages. If someone. You gotta take the little homie somewhere that he'll enjoy, take him to the parking garage. I'm like, oh, that is a. That's a hack.
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B
That. Yeah. This is. When you have kids older, you're a little smarter, you have a little bit more. You recognize very quickly that kids are easily amused. But much like adults, kids get used to stuff, and you introduce them to a certain level of stuff, then you try to take it to the parking garage again, it's like, oh, no.
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Yeah, well, maybe, like, what if you get, like, flip up the parking garage, right? Like, just go to different. There's lots of parking garages, you know.
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My son is, like, really into outdoor stuff, which is unusual for me because that's not how I grew up. But anytime I spend time with him doing, like, something where we just will go on the Billy Go Trail or we'll go on a hike or something, man's in heaven. We'll be out there for three, four hours. I. I may not be in heaven, but the time spent is worth it, and it is always very free. I enjoy that as an activity.
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Yeah, no, no. I had to give him credit on that one, I guess, the echoing, you know what I'm saying? Like, you think about it, you're a kid echo. How fascinating must an echo be the first time you hear one?
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Yeah. I mean, it could. It could be a little bit scary, too. I feel like kids Are. Are a lot like pets where the first time you introduce them to a mirror, like, that's the same thing with echo. Like, some. It could be fun. It could also be a little creepy. Yeah.
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Or if they love the sound of their own voices. The greatest thing ever. Like, if you're the kind, like, in the whole story, a Narcissus, for example, seeing his reflection and then he was like, oh, man, I just thought, the greatest thing ever. Check this shit out. Right? What if it's the same way with people who just really love the sound of their own voice and they hear it now? Also interesting. That is an idiom that I find to be very interesting. I don't even know if idiom is the right way to put it. But I don't know anybody that actually likes the sound of their own voice.
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It never sounds like you think it sounds. No, it never quite sounds as good as you think it sounds. And we, like, theoretically should be watching tape, like, going back to listen to ourselves. I absolutely hate it. I can't do it. I just wait for Charlie to tell me what I need to work on because. Listen to myself. You, like, pick out all the mistakes. And then also, just the sound of it doesn't quite sound. It always sounds nasally. More nasally than I think I sound.
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My voice is the money maker in a lot of ways. And I don't really. It don't sound like it sound right now, like. Like me as I sit here. The outbound does not sound like what is going on when I'm here. It just doesn't. It is the wildest thing, like, what I actually am now trying to imagine, because I know your voice is what you think it sounds like. You know what I'm saying? Because it sounds fine to me. Sounds good, in fact.
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Right.
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I'd be curious to know what Billy Dee Williams situation that you got going on in your own head that you think is trumping what you are offering us.
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I know that is fine because I've never heard anybody say anything about my voice that was bad. I've even had people tell me, hey, why don't you do some voiceover work? You got a nice voice. Like, I. I recognize that my voice is at least serviceable, but when I hear it, it's like, who that?
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Yeah, but I need to know what you. I don't know how to. I don't know if you'd explain it.
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Yeah, like.
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Like I have. No, that ain't me.
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Like, who that.
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Right. But I wish that there were a way that we could get a listen to what people's voices sound like to them, and then somehow we look, they go figure this out. So let me be careful giving this money away, but. But, like, somehow we could take a vote. If I could hit a button and make a decision between whether I want your voice or the voice you hear, you know what I'm saying? Like, we might be on to something. It would. I tell you this, it would cut down on a lot of the errors in connotation, the vocal intonation that often get people in trouble.
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I think that it would. Whatever audio dysmorphia we have, that might be another, like, generational divide in that we didn't used to hear our own voice as much as they do now. I imagine that teenagers now, they, like, they've been taking videos, watching themselves since they were babies. Like, I imagine that my kids hear their voice and like, oh, yeah, that's what I sound like. I still have been doing this for almost 10 years and still hear my voice. Been doing interviews since I was 16. Hear my voice. Like.
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It don't sound as bassy as I think it sound.
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Like, that's my thing. I think I sound a lot smoother than is actually the case in application. Like, I don't. What do I have to do? Like, that's the thing. How do I narrow this gap, right? How do I bridge the gap between. But then when I bridge the gap, I'mma think it sound like something else.
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But we all, like, I feel like generally black men have deeper voices than in general. Like, I hear, like, I think we are in good shape as far as that's concerned. I don't think you have this issue, though, where, I mean, this is one of the beauties of writing is it does not involve your voice. And you can also go over it a number of times. So there are things that I think I'm saying and I'm very confused occasionally when I don't get the response that I expected. Because when I wrote it, or if I were to write it, I would have gone over it a number of times to make sure it makes sense. But when I say it, it's just so many assumptions that you think that people are making connections. And I think to your point about tone, like, mixing up the tone, if you miss the wrong tone, you say the wrong thing. Like, I'm sure everyone could think of examples of how you say one thing, it sound like a joke. You say it without the proper inflection. Them fighting words.
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Well, the worst on that is when you're trying to do the joke thing, but you're really feeling the other day and it's kind of like, it's kind of like when, when you drink, when you, when you drink go into Windpipe.
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No, no, that wasn't what I was. I was, I was trying to do the other thing. I promise. Now we hear.
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I do mean it. But I did voice. Yeah, think I meant it.
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Tough call. Tough call. Tough call. Speaking of tough calls, Aaron Rodgers got told by the Minnesota Vikings. Nah, we good. Now, it is entirely possible that by the time the people hear this, Aaron Rodgers will have landed on a team. But as we're talking about this, what is making people go, ooh, is that boy Cam Hayward getting on his podcast telling Aaron Rodgers, I ain't talking about no darkness retreat. Why are you trying to. Trying to get on. You're trying to get on and get gone. Which of those two things is going to be. You want to be a stealer or not? What? It's taking you so long to come up with this discussion and I, I mean come up with this decision. And I do think this is interesting that Aaron Rogers is not as good as he used to be, but Aaron Rodgers has not been humbled. So Aaron Rodgers is still doing things as Aaron Rodgers is want to do in these circumstances, which, by the way, bless his heart, take all the time in the world to make the decision you want, right? I'm just trying to imagine what it's like to be the Steelers of the Giants, that you gotta wait for Aaron Rodgers, old ass and just sit here and you ain't got no better play.
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It does feel like the grading's probably too aggressive of a word, but insulting if nothing else. But I like Cam Hayward, saw him at the super bowl. Great guy.
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Same.
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However, this where y' all at? Like, this is one of those situations where you wish this person wouldn't treat you the way that they treating you, but you don't really got the leverage to act any different. And it's the state of quarterbacks in the league. And again, Aaron Rodgers has enough track record, even though his recent track record is not great. He has enough track record to be like, hey, I done did some things in this league, so like, I get it. I would be annoyed too. And I love that the Steelers still hold on to some of these old school football ways that are lost to. To modern modernization of a lot of sports and that they like. Nah, we. We hard nose. We ain't about that. All that foolishness you talk about, yoga, lift some Weights. That feels like what Cam Heywood is essentially saying. Well, I know that their players are doing the modern things, but let's be real. Y' all one of the thirstiest franchises when it comes to a quarterback. So, Aaron, the only reason why y' all in this situation, only reason why he doing it. Cause he can.
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Well, how you feel to be Russell Wilson right now? Cause he gotta wait for the other weight, right? Like, how does it go for the Steelers if you gotta bring Russell Wilson back? I mean, I guess how it goes is, hey, Russ, you try to play or not? Cause it looks like those are your two options.
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Yeah, I mean, exactly. Right. I think the thing about Russell is he feels like one of the few guys that's capable of doing that. And I don't know him personally, but given what I've seen him go through the last few years and the way that people talk about him, like, he seems like one of the few quarterbacks that's capable of going back in there and putting on a brave face. And the Steelers were certainly, I think, welcome in a way that we wouldn't have expected and might even have success. He throws a good deep ball. You got two deep ball receivers. They might do something.
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Well, hold up. What if he snapped, though? And, like, which one of. One of the many Russells finally becomes the one that shows up, right? Like, he turns out to be.
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What's that? I'm thinking about. Oh, yeah. Oh, Chappelle Show. Not Al Roka, but Big Al, right? Like. Like he finally. He has just had enough. I told, like a straight up gangster.
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You remember Durag Russell, where he had the Durag on in New Jersey? Oh, man, that would be great.
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Hey, I tell you this, though. We just hung out with Russell for a little bit at the Super Bowl. Me and Dominique was posted up hanging out with Russell and some billionaires. And Jeff Saturday, that really happened. That was the thing. But anyway, that was a real thing, man.
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Just the man.
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Yes, he is. He's just like, yo, I got any. The best part about that was Jeff Saturday told you, quote, it's gonna be lit, unquote. And you and I had a measure of skepticism of whether on like, eight different levels. And then we got there, and I gotta tell you, it was lit. Dominique bailed out a little bit early, but it was lit.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was absolutely lit. I appreciate it. He got us in the little side secret room with the big fancy big wig, like, Jeff the Man.
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Yeah. And I gotta say. Oh, yeah. Cause and see, it was wild. Cause see I knew. I knew the cat that was running the other room. It made me feel like I was player, player. I felt so player, player that night. Dmc, I got to holla at him. He shouted your boy out from the stage. And you got out there also, by the way, Bill Belichick pulled up that night with his queen, and that is a man that is happy to be seen with his woman. Like you. You want a man to love you out loud. You missed out on one. He was up there coaching football.
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Man. I don't know what to make of any of this. Like, I think, obviously we don't know the public figures as well as we think we do, but I suspect that. That the real Bill. Bill Belichick is somewhere between press conference Bill and. And Instagram bill. But I made. My reaction to all this stuff is first to roll my eyes, but then to be like, you just hating. He ain't doing nothing wrong. The man having fun. He ain't hurt nobody. He wants to share his emails. He want to do yoga on the beach.
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All I. All I'll say for him is that happy is fleeting. And he clearly loves his life right now. Loves his life. But speaking of loving his life, Russell Wilson pulled up with his queen.
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Oh, yeah.
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And I don't really understand why he keeps playing football.
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Are you still doing this for the money they about to be paying you to do this at this point?
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Why are you with us?
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And by the way, there's always that argument about, like, yeah, you see her, but everybody get tired of everybody. He's not tired of her at all.
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Brother. Brother. We were very happy to be at that party. I was looking at Russ, like, what you doing at this party, Russ? Like, why are you even here? Yeah, the food was good. They might have paid him some appearance fee, but I'm with you on that. I mean, I think there's.
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Hold on. Dominique. We was there with billionaires.
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Oh, yeah.
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Multiple.
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Like, several of them.
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Yes. He was just another person who was in that room. Like, I learned a lot, by the way, about the couple of friends that I stumbled upon who were in that room. About just where they're standing is in the game. Oh, I know you was pimping.
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Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Just because they don't. They don't dress like it, they don't talk like it. But the best part about that is Jeff and I have been friends for damn near two decades now, and I always have loved Jeff. But the best part about it was he gets these invitations because he finds himself in those circles for a number of reasons. But Jeff ain't never changed. And Jeff was like, y' all ain't doing nothing. Come with me to this. It was like, this is. We had no business there. It was no benefit to us. They set us at. I'm not even gonna say who table they set us at. Cause I don't wanna die, but they set us at a table with somebody who I was like, what? Like, you can make your money that way and get invited to here.
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Yeah, okay. Yeah, they was. They was billionaires. They was like legitimate billionaires. I gotta text the homie. But they was legitimate billionaires. And so. Yeah. And so Russell in there, and I. I'm leaving, and I'm saying peace out to Russell as I'm leaving. And that was the first encounter I had with Sierra. And I just felt like I had to introduce myself. And I just High up Omani. I said it like two or three times. I don't know if she heard me. I had nothing to come after that. I wasn't trying to holler at the man's woman, But I know.
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I know you for a long time, and I've never seen this version of you. The gesture that you just did, the hand clasp together, the lean in you gave her. The pauper, like, queen.
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One of your loyal subjects. I'm Bovard. You lean.
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I think I may have had my hand behind my back just to make sure nobody misunderstood. Like, I don't know what it was. He's like, oh, nice to meet you.
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Like.
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Like. Yeah. She absolutely treated me with, like, a delicacy.
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Yeah.
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That implied that. She knows she doesn't have to be this nice.
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She does it. I remember the first few times I was around, like, somebody brought Chili to our Christmas party one year. It was like, first time around, like some celebrities or whatever. And it's like, you always try. By the way, I imagine that you. Other people know this, I'm sure, man. Oh, she. That. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's not tall, however. Hell of a handshake.
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Oh, really? She.
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Veins popping all her forearms. She tried to. She tried to break my. I wasn't. I just like, hey, how you doing? Try to break my. And that broke me of whatever, like, celebrity, like, respect that I was given. I was like, oh, yeah. She. She cool as she was. Made it clear that she's not to be trifled with, though, with that handshake, which I don't know why that's. The main thing I remember from meeting Chili was that she didn't Dap me up. She didn't hug me. Just gave me a firm business shake and squeezed the shit out of.
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She shook your head like she played a bass.
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I don't know. She must have been in some sort of work or something, because she was ripped.
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No. Our guy Eric Rod hold. His sister plays the bass. Go shake her hand.
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Go shake our head.
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Is that what it is? It's just musicians. Because it's weird the way that certain muscles.
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I think specifically like the bass requires like a different. A different kind of hand strap. But chili that look. This is the thing I'll say about the Sierra thing is I've been covering in some form of fashion, the entertainment industry for literally 25 years. Like, it's not as though this is the most famous person I've seen or come across or whatever it is. Like, I'm not new to this, right? I'm not saying that I'm the super coolest dude in the world, but, like, I take it in stride. I didn't really have an answer for what I was supposed to do. Right. Cause let me tell you what I was. What didn't happen. No one said the words, let me introduce you to my wife. Which generally, by the way, is a side to keep it moving. I didn't do that.
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You should hear Marcus Spears tell a story about when he met Beyonce and Jay Z. I feel like I'm not gonna tell it as well. Cause I can't tell it anymore as well as Marcus Spears. Cause I don't sound like that. But the gist of the story was they were at a restaurant and Marcus, like, Jay recognized Marcus. Marcus recognized Jay. They introduced, like, they meet each other and the next step. And there are other people there. And the women, like, meet Jay and they introduce him to Beyonce. And Marcus was thinking, like, I'm gonna show Jason respect and ask, can I get a picture with Beyonce? But, like, it's Beyonce, obviously, like, she used to taking pictures, but I' ma show Jason I'm a southern guy. Like, this is what you do. He's like, oh, yeah, you mind? Jay was like, nah.
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Nah, nah, nah.
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He played that.
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Which is why you was like, nah, I'll just go ahead and do that. Yeah, yeah.
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No, no, no. He absolutely played that wrong.
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Like, oh, he regrets it. Yeah, yeah.
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I tell this story. I mean, she was probably gonna say no too. But I tell this story about. Keep it in mind. Jay Z's been known to be like, clearing out backstage. So nobody else be back there with Beyonce. Like, he, he, he. That's what he does.
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B
What is it about Ciara? Because, like, I. I had the same feeling where we were. Like, there are certain people that when they are in a place, they don't seem like everybody else.
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Mm.
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B
And she was in there was. I mean, even Russ, he. He blended in to some degree.
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But.
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But it was like, oh, yeah, she. Like. She not like everybody else that's in here.
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Right.
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She has a level of celebrity or something. Or just the way that she looks or something. That. Which, like. I mean, there's beautiful women all over the place. But it's not just beauty. It was like, very.
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That is a very good question.
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B
I can't drill down on what it is, but she's not the only person who has that kind of aura. But in that particular party of people who are very comfortable and lots of rich people and lots of beautiful spouses, like, all that stuff was in there. But there was one person in there that was like, whether you know it or not, you knew she was a star.
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A
I know this. We better figure out how to get on that list next year. So we ain't got to just necessarily depend on Jeff Saturday.
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B
Yeah, it won't be no problem. Jeff. Jeff will look out. Yeah. Yeah.
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A
But at the same time, like, they might do this at other places. What if. What if Jeff get food poisoning? You know what I'm saying? Like, we gotta.
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I gotta be honest, I did not expect it because, like, I. I know how nonchalant Jeff was about it. I had to leave early. Cause I made secondary and tertiary plans.
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Yes.
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Man, I might've regretted them plans, but, yeah, I was like, jeff gonna take. Cause he kept saying, it's a dinner and the food's real good. I was like, all right, Jeff gonna take us to a dinner. We gonna be wrapped up around whatever, 8:30. It's gonna be chill. It's gonna be a bunch of old people with a lot of money, and we gonna move on. That shit was fire.
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Nah, dude, Like I say, the musical. There was a band and then DMC came up and DMC was selling cookies. He got cookies. The cookies were good, by the way. I took two bags of them cookies home. Yeah. Yeah. He said, dmc, Daryl makes cookies. It's a whole new. It's a thing he got going. And so now dmc. And look, man, I understand these young people got a real misunderstanding about old school rap. And yes, rap has changed now. The technology change. It's a whole bunch of things. But he was up there doing. It's tricky and it still feels like something like all. All the Run DMC saws he was up there doing is like, no, no, no, no, no. This still feels like.
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So performing is one of those things that, like, looks easier than it actually is. And there's something to it. Like performing in front of a crowd. I think there is something. You can be incredibly talented but not be a great live performer. And it's something about understanding the relationship with the crowd and reacting to it and pushing the right buttons. And to your point, there's. The old school rappers had something, some ability that I don't quite understand that maybe you understand better than I do to. To hold the crowd. I mean, there's obvious reasons from why they might. But, like, I get your point because.
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They used to not have. They didn't have all these tricks with all these lights with all this pyro. And, you know, the music goes. And it's the music where you don't see a lot of scenes in movies anymore where somebody will be doing some rap and they'll be like, do a rap. And it's a crowd full of white people. And then the camera pants and the white people and they all look ridiculous waving their hands like all offbeat, like, you don't have that anymore. Okay. I was watching the crowd while he was doing it. That music brings that out of white people. That particular strain of rap brings it out. And they was. They out here looking like moms, like they, they was. They was doing all kinds of stuff. It's just it. Get in it.
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Get in your spirit of that era of white people. Like, I. I'm guessing.
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Oh, no. I even saw some younger ish whites.
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Okay, okay, yeah, I'm. My apologies, Mr. DMC. I didn't. I didn't think you could rock the. The 30s and 20s. I thought it was just the 50s and 60s.
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No, man, that music, it just works. It just works. All right, we're gonna come back with more here on the right time. This episode is presented by Perplexity. Perplexity is an AI powered answer engine that searches the Internet in real time to deliver fast, clear, high quality answers. Unlike legacy search engines that respond with a list of links, Perplexity skips straight to the answers you need explained in everyday language that's easy to understand with sources and citations. Now, Sean, how do you use Perplexity especially when it comes to the right time?
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All right, we're back with Dominique Fox Worth. We were talking about Aaron Rodgers, then we wound up going to other places. But we're gonna come back to the Aaron Rogers thing because Todd Pilisaro has reported that multiple teams have reached out to see if the Vikings are willing to trade JJ McCarthy and they said no. And my question is, why would you think they were going to do that? Are you like, Like, I would be offended if I'm the general manager. Don't take it. Don't. They got the African dude running things. Okay, okay. They trying to. They trying to play you, brother. That's all that says to me. I think it's Kwame or Kwaizi. One of those.
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B
I think it's Quesi Adolfo Mensa, right?
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A
Yeah. They try to play you?
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B
Yeah. I mean, the only reason why they would be willing to trade him is if like that's one of the weird things about this is no one's trading a rookie quarterback that they think is good. Like it's one of those things. It's like I would not be a member of a club that that would have me. I think that's one of them sayings that I be messing up sometimes. But yeah, like if you call and they say yeah, like who giving away diamonds, like that's, that's the most valuable thing in the sport. A rookie quarterback that can actually play that suggests that they saw something on tape that they don't like or that injury is, is progressing in a way that makes them unhappy.
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Dominique the Colts told Peyton Manning to beat the street because for a player who had not played a game yet and the not only did they tell him to beat the street, the whole plan was to do what they could to get him and then tell Peyton man to be the street. The Colts, I think they started that year, it might have been 04. It was like it was a craz long stretch of losses. And I remember they won a game on Thursday Night Football and I'm pretty sure that game is against the Texans because even with Peyton Manning on the sideline, the Texans could not find a way to beat the Colts in Indianapolis. And Peyton was on the sideline and they panned to him and his neck was still hurting and he was like ah yeah like doing the fist pump because he knew, he knew you're you're done in this town. As soon as they could get Andrew Luck, you're finish here. If they had had to get Robert Griffin, Peyton Manning might have retired Indianapolis.
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B
Colt that's fair point. You know what I saw? I saw that the Ravens picked up Cooper Rush. What in the like Lamar Jackson has reached a level of black quarter quarterbackdom that has yet to be seen.
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He's reached a place in quarter blackdom where it don't even matter. You can breathe this white dude in name the name.
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B
The last time it happened where it was so good. Like it might have happened by mistake one time but it's never been. This team is aware like the Ravens a team that is quite under that really understands to some degree as much as a franchise can some issues of race that I think other teams don't which like they are conscious of trying to make statements that demonstrate some level of progress like that all black quarterback room from the coach all the way down to all the players that wasn't like a coincidence. They didn't find it out and then say hey look what we did, like, there's a number of things that they are aware of. So this was not a mistake. They was just like, hey, he's so good. We can go get the best possible backup that we can afford at a price that we like. Congratulations, Lamar Jackson. Fuck that. Mvp. This is bigger than that.
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Well, I think. I think the other level is Cooper Rush at once managed to come in for the Cowboys and win, like, four games while also not threatening the starter.
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B
That's not threatening which starter? The black starter.
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A
Yes, that is. There you go.
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B
There you go.
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A
That is so. So Cooper Rush actually might be the optimum backup. You can win games with him, and then when it's over, you go sit his ass back down.
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B
The Ravens are one of the organizations I have the most respect for, and I just realized that I underestimated how much respect I should have for them. I thought that they were like, lamar made it to this level. We ain't got to worry about that no more. No, they was like, who done this before?
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They was like.
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Which white man is capable of not dog whistling to the fan base should he have a stretch of three or four wins?
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Hold up, hold up. What if this.
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B
Right?
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A
What if.
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B
What if.
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What if they had their list, right? And they were going like, yo, can we call Tyler Huntley back? How old is Josh Johnson? Right? Like, maybe they were going through all of that stuff, and then somebody was like, I got it. Hear me out. And then he laid out the whole plan and situation, and you just saw it go around the room just like a ripple, and it was like.
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Yeah, hell, yeah.
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B
Ozzy Newsom is from Alabama.
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Yeah. The things that he has seen and experienced. He's still. He's not the GM anymore, but he's still a consultant that's very involved in there. And I suspect that a lot of the issues of race are things that Ozzy Newsom, as an athlete who played at University of Alabama, is well aware of. In the early days, he. He was one of the first. Not the first, but one of the first. I'm sure that whoever had that idea, Ozzy had already calculated it. And this. It's kind of amazing to think that it feels more likely than not that somebody did that math. No, no, no.
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I give the Ravens credit, man. They went all in when they got that boy. And they were like, this is what will be required for him to be successful. Right. With the Colts, you talked about this before. I did it with Anthony Richardson. I think where they've kind of. Kind of. Kind of messed up Is that he. I think they're really just trying to put a fire under him. Like, I think in large part, I think they've got to know what ain't a good idea, right? Like, I think they trying to put a fire into him, but you can't get that other dude $14 million and then do it like that. That part. He made more money than Anthony Richardson, if I'm not mistaken. Like, that. That part. That part doesn't go. Like, you just. You got to be. If you're going to do this, you got to be all the way in on it.
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B
I'm. And I might go through different times or waves in my life where I view the world and view people differently, but I'm at a point where, like, I sincerely believe in the deepest parts of my soul that people don't change. And, I mean, I guess there are some occasions when I'm wrong, but my experience with. And this has happened for a long time where people would think because I play college football or because I play in the league, that they knucklehead son gonna listen to me.
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And it was early in my career when I was like, I don't talk to your son. Like, I'll take a picture. I'll meet him. But I'm not having this scared straight. Get your mind right. Be like me. Conversation with nobody else's sons and nephews. I say all that to say, we gonna bring him in the light of fire under him. I don't believe in that shit. Like, yeah, you are. Maybe it works for a week. Maybe it works for a couple of days, but people tend to go back to who they are. Now, there may be some level of maturity that happens for people at different points. I'm sure people change to some degree, but what ain't gonna happen is you bring in some dude, and now I'm gonna be like, oh, I'm a new person now. I feel like that's some sort of narrative concoction that, like, feels good to say, but never actually works.
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I think he just needed to know he might lose his job. I think is their thinking, right? And I think they had kind of hoped that Joe Flacco would be that. Cause Joe Flacco does have a lot of Mr. Techie job in them. I think they might build a statue of Joe Flacco in Cleveland. You know what I'm saying? But then Joe Flacco went out there, and the Browns learned what some of us had been trying to say about Joe Flacco in Cleveland. He wasn't Actually good. They were just winning games. Joe Flacco does play backup quarterback, though, in the way. I think somebody like Joe Flacco should play backup quarterback. What I got to lose? Let's go.
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B
That's the way that everyone should play backup quarterback. Unless you got a great defense or a great running attack, like that's the only chance of winning is that you hit sevens a couple of times. And then his career in Cleveland in with back to back pick sixes in a playoff game.
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A
I believe so. Yeah.
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B
It happened fast because I was thinking they gonna. They gonna. The fans really gonna want him to come back. I remember thinking that before that playoff game and he might have had a couple passes in that game that were good. Like a long touchdown to the Titan or something. And then them picks happened and I was like, oh, no. Also they done.
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A
It is my understanding that the Browns were aware of that they could not bring Joe Flacco back. That that was given. Now they were all in.
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The brown. You wanna talk about being all in on your quarterback? They picked the wrong one. But they was all in.
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B
Like to. Yeah, it looks even. Not that I feel like most of us thought it was. It was a bit outrageous at the time, but it looks even more outrageous now. Like when. When has anybody committed to a black man after.
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The allegations like that? Not never in the history of life, like I guess. And it's like it's not even after the allegations and contrition and serve your time. Like Michael Vick never got fully committed to again, but like he served his time, he came out and said he was wrong and people liked him again. And then Andy Reid gave him a half commit. I ain't never seen nobody find a black man who is in the midst of controversy and say, you know what? We gonna give him the first fully guaranteed con.
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A
Oh, yo, it gets dumber every year. And I just said this. Black people was riding for Michael Vick. Right? In ways that I both understood and also found to be a bit misguided. But black people were in fact riding for Michael Vick. We were not riding for Deshaun Watson's nasty ass. We were not doing it. There was like never any point in this that I felt obligated to be like, okay, there's some things that you need to. That you might not understand about where these people are coming from. I did not have to do any of that yet. And still Jimmy Haslam was like, how about we give him more money than anybody? Not. Not just more guaranteed money than anybody's ever gotten but way more guaranteed money than anybody's even thinking about giving.
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Like, nobody. They were bidding against themselves.
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B
No, no, no, no. That was their only chance of getting him. He said no to Cleveland, and then Jimmy came back and was like, money whipped him. Yeah. What if they just did it to Miles Garrett? That man got a track record. That man got a track record.
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C
Yeah.
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B
He's like, no, that is the.
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A
I know what'll fix that.
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B
That's the thing. When. I mean, you and I, probably more often than people appreciate, talk about how money don't buy happiness. Maybe it don't, but by a lot of shit.
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A
Yeah. See, that's the thing. The way I explain it, I think I talked about it on this show using this analogy. But if you haven't heard it, this is very important. Let's say that I offered you $1 million to kick you in the nuts. You're going to take the million dollars, and when I kick you in the nuts, it's not going to feel like a million bucks.
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B
Yeah, yeah.
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A
It's going to feel like you got kicked in the nuts. After a point, things will get back, and then you'll have $1 million. Right. But while you're going through it, that billion dollars is literally not going to make it feel better at all. It's just not how it works.
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B
It's a perfect analogy, too, because it does not allow for any of the, like, workarounds that you might have for other analogies where you'd be like, well, you could just use your money to do. You actually can't. And maybe, maybe. I was going to say maybe women don't understand this, but I'm sure they. They get it. They understand it to some degree. Yes, but, like, you can't rub your money on it. You can't buy a new pair. You can't. You can't. Like, that's a perfect analogy because everybody like, yeah, but you could. Go ahead. Yeah. The bed that you rest on will be soft as hell. But you know what's still going to be throbbing nuts. Still going to have a throb. Oh, God.
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This.
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B
This is all.
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It comes down to.
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Miles Garrett. While Miles Garrett is getting his ass beat last year again, and while. While Miles Garrett enters the playoffs next year, or doesn't enter. Enter the playoffs, recognizing that he does not have a chance to at a meaningful win and that the rest of his career, he's going to be one of the greatest players to never win a championship or make a deep run or have any, like, milestone plays. It's going to hurt and ain't going to be made to feel no better by the fact that he could buy a small country.
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A
The thing that really has to stink for the Browns is they got a get a quarterback pick in a draft that. It ain't. It ain't. It ain't there. Yeah. It ain't there. Not it. I mean, Cam Ward is a bit of a stretch at one. Yeah. But these other cats are not twos. Yeah.
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B
I mean, I. You can convince yourself of anything. And I think it's not hard to stretch your head to understand that Shador Sanders accuracy and decision making and a Kevin Stefanski offense will work out fine. It's like when you think about how they produce in San Francisco, a bunch with quarterbacks that aren't great, but they always had, like, a lot of talent around them. He's not really going to get that with a broken Nick Chub, a depleted offensive line, which was great at one point. That's the crazy part is when they made that commitment to Deshaun Watson. Like, that team was loaded. And the. And the quarterback, they ran out of town. Kind of balling now. A little bit. Kind of balling now. A little bit like, dang, they were loaded.
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A
I. I typically don't like, subscribe to this sort of thinking, but Baker Mayfield kind of. And Matt Ryan in particular, your teams disrespected you when they went and put in them calls to Deshaun Watson's nasty ass. Like, Baker Mayfield figured it out as soon as he heard this was even possible. He was just like, like, oh, man, they. They really. They really did this. And you. And you know. But you know what? Baker Mayfield, again, he's a starting quarterback. We overuse the term franchise quarterback. Right. He's a start. And by the way, starting quarterbacks, hard to find. Justin Fields starts, but I don't think he's a starting quarterback. Baker Mayfield is absolutely a starting quarterback.
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B
Is that the tears that you would put it in? It's like, there's a starting quarterback. Excuse me. There's a franchise quarterback. Then there's the superstar quarterback. I guess would be how. Yeah. A franchise quarterback.
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A
And then there's quarterbacks who start.
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I. We're not even going to discuss anything below. Starting quarterback because, like, yeah, that's. That's. We. We still look it in the draft. Yeah.
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A
Like Kirk Cousins, the. Probably the. Yeah, yeah. That was it. The platonic ideal of the. Of the starting quarterback. Yeah. He'll start for you, but you're always looking for Another one, Alex Smith was a starting quarterback. Joe Flacco was a starting. And you can win Super Bowls for starting quarterbacks.
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B
The starting quarterbacks. The reason why they're starting quarterbacks, I think the best way to describe them is like, they don't have that high end consistently, but they can reach it. And generally they ain't going. They ain't gonna ruin you too bad. Like, that's kind of it. Like, Kirk Cousins could go off, he could give you 403 touchdowns one day. It's gonna happen once or twice a season, and most of the time he just gonna give you enough play that's not gonna stink. Which again, back to where we started. You know why Aaron Rodgers can jerk you around Steelers? Because it ain't that many of them, man.
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A
He's still a starting quarterback.
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B
Yeah, he is still.
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A
He's not a franchise quarterback. But like, and, and what you kind of hope to get if you do end up in the starting quarterback tier is a starting quarterback who does not scare, right? Because Kirk Cousins scares. That's the, that's the issue. He can get you to a play Sam Darnold showed us at the end of last season. But you know who's the starting quarterback? Who don't scare? Jalen hurts. That's who you can win. You can go to two Super Bowls and win a Super bowl with that starting quarterback who does not scare. Jimmy Garoppolo, starting quarterback who's scared.
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B
That's so I, I like that distinction because you're right. It feels disrespectful. And I think a lot of Eagles fans still are, like, pissed that people haven't elevated Jalen to the level of these other quarterbacks because of how well he played in the biggest two games, which is like, yeah, we know he's capable of that.
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A
Yes.
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B
What we haven't seen, though, is like.
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What Lamar and Josh do, like, all the damn time. You know, like, if you gave us.
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A
Regardless of who's with him, if you.
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B
Gave us that super bowl game three, four times, five times a year, then we would talk about in. In the playoffs every now and then. I get that and I, I understand it's the perfect, the perfect, like, sports media debate thing because we talk about how important these big games are, and there's no arguing he was incredible in both Super Bowls.
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A
Right?
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B
But, like, come on, guys. We got.
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A
We.
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B
Come on, guys. Let's be honest with each other.
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A
Well, let me ask this. As you have, like, starting quarterback who does care differently, starting quarterback and a franchise quarterback that tier between franchise quarterback and superstar quarterback. Because I think you and I would agree that the superstar quarterback tier is Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen and Joe Burrow. I think there's room to discuss Joe Burrow, but I think that overall we say that those are the four that are there, that franchise but not superstar tier. I feel like it's a lot of young guys that exist in a franchise but not superstar. Like at some point we will stop and say about them that, hey, maybe they're just starting quarterbacks. Like right now, CJ Stroud is a franchise quarterback who is not a superstar quarterback.
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B
Exactly. Do guys, so many guys get. Like Trevor Lawrence comes to mind. I'm trying to think if there are guys, it's probably just an aberration, if it's happened where a guy became a latent career superstar quarterback. Like, has anybody done that, made that leap? Because I think we convince ourselves, particularly in this age where we are accepting of quarterbacks with some level of athleticism, and also we do a lot more analysis of offensive line and receivers and coaches. Like, it's so easy to convince ourselves that the reason why a superstar isn't a superstar is everything around them or something about their situation. But we kind of know like when a superstar is a superstar.
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A
So I think an interesting example to try to talk it through is Matt Ryan, who I think it was fair to say was a franchise quarterback who had a superstar season.
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B
Exactly right.
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A
Yeah.
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B
But I don't think he elevated to superstar. And I think I've told you this.
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A
Before, you own that first team.
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B
I love Matt Ryan. A few people in this world love more than Matt Ryan. I saw him a couple years ago and it was the way that you treated Ciara is how I treated Matt Ryan. And he probably thought it was awkward and confusing. I tried to explain it to him in short sentences like, bruh, you made me money, Matt Ryan, thank you. You saved my career. So I appreciate Matt Ryan, but I ain't gonna lie to myself. Like, he had Julio and Shanahan and gave us that shit one time.
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A
Yes.
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B
I don't know that there's anybody. I'm trying to think. I mean, I guess you, you have to say Steve Young or Aaron Rodgers, but those guys had different situations.
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A
Right. But Steve Young, yeah. Aaron Rodgers got it going while he was still in his 20s, though. And Steve Young. Look, Steve Young had the chance, granted, under the worst circumstances possible, playing for the Creamsicle Buccaneers, fell apart, was supposed to take Joe Montana's job. That was the whole Reason they got him. And Joe Montana was like, y' all got me up and held that boy off for four years. If you want to know how good Joe Montana was, he held Steve Young off for four years. Understanding that Steve Young, once he got the job, was a first team all pro caliber player. And Joe Montana was like, no apologies.
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B
For saying that you can't light a fire under certain people.
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Let me take that back. Let me go ahead and take that back, because sometimes I think maybe this is it. Sometimes you gotta. You gotta relight the pilot. If you're not a guy who is. Who has a fire, you can't make one.
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A
Or is it that you can light the fire under someone undersized? Yeah, like, it's hard to. I light the fire under this quarterback since straight from God. Chiseled and granite. Anthony Richardson, but undersized. Joe Montana, whose coach firmly believed that he could put anybody else in the system because the system was really the star. Oh, that fire burns, baby. It burns.
- [51:44]
B
It's almost like identical in a way to the Tom Brady situation. With exception of the fact that rather.
- [51:51]
A
Than Jimmy Garoppolo, it was.
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B
Yeah. With the exception of the fact that, like, Joe Montana was, like, a highly touted college player. But like Tom Brady, small. His Small is being drafted late, right? It's like, nobody ever believed in me. And then y' all went and got this pretty boy. Like, I'm. I'm the pretty boy that's supposed to cook here. That was the perfect person to put in there to say we moving on from you. Like, he younger, he handsomer, and y' all think he better. Nah, I'm gonna go ahead and. And force you to send that man out west.
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A
Yo, how many practices do you think it took for Tom Brady to be like, you gotta be kidding me. Oh.
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B
There were some stories, and this is the. You and I both have cut back on social media. But there are some stories that I saw recently about Tom Brady walking out of a team meeting because Bill Belichick was given. Was Bill Belichick was ripping him on tape. You know, we always get those stories about how Tom Brady was just like Tim Duncan and that he allowed Bill Belichick to rip him. At a certain point, it appears that he did not. There was. It might have been Bennett, I think. Anyway, somebody was on one of those shows, and I saw the clip, and they said that they were ripping Tom or Belichick was ripping Tom Brady. Brady got up and walked out of the meeting while I was still going on, which, if anybody knows about football ain't something you do. Like, it's. You think about football, think about the military. That's how we act. We ain't like basketball players that show up late and do whatever. Tom got up and walked out the meeting, and when the meeting was over, he was on the phone talking to somebody. It's like, oh, that's. I forgot. It might have been the old running back. But anyway, they said that's what I knew, that things had changed.
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That is different. Yeah, those. Did you see the Odin? I think it was, yeah. Greg Oden was on Gilbert Arenas's show, and Greg Odin talked about how LeBron reacted when the Heat tried to take the team's food.
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A
It was the cookies, right?
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B
No, no, no, the cookie story. They asked Greg Odin about the cookies, and Greg Oden said, I never saw. I saw him eat the cookies. I never saw anybody take the cookies. But what Greg Owen said he saw was the players would buy food for the flight, and somebody decided that they wasn't getting no food. But LeBron said to the whole team that if you see anybody on here eating, that's not us, not part of this 15, I give you permission to slap the food out they hand. Cause according to Greg Oden, LeBron was like, Y' all gonna take our food. Ain't nobody eating.
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I fuck with that type of leadership there.
- [54:35]
A
That right there is for real. Like, nobody's eating if we can't eat.
- [54:41]
B
I assume that's like some shit that Pat Riley used to do to his teams to motivate him or whatever, and it's fine. But like, nah, that ain't working no more. We got the Internet. We know who really got the strength.
- [54:53]
A
Yo, Pat Riley's like, look, man, I don't answer to no 25 year old dog. For better or worse. That was the. That was the play that he decided to make.
- [55:04]
B
I'm fine with that, but I think the pushback I would have is, like, it's so disrespectful because the insinuation, like, that's how you treat a damn animal like, you know, like the insinuation is y' all not trying your hardest. You don't care enough. I'm gonna get your attention by taking your food after you just played a damn basketball. Man, if you don't get out my face with that shit, I'm a grown man. We can do the best that we can. We gonna try hard. But I'm hungry.
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A
Well, the part that I don't think anybody talks about with Riley is.
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Magic Johnson Got him fired in the year 1990.
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And I think that he decided nobody was going to get him fired ever again. Right. Like, all the dudes with the heat, like. Like, Shaq could have got a fire. Autumn dudes. He traded all them dudes, and then he quit, but it was like, nobody's ever going to have more power to me. And I think that's what infuriated him about the Jimmy Butler situation, where they made some compromises that they hadn't been willing to make in the past, and he misunderstood what that counted for, which was not as much as you think. Yeah.
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Yep. That's.
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And now they can't win a game without Jimmy. Damn near. And the warriors got some crazy record with them. Yeah, that's.
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We talked about this in some. Well, it doesn't matter where, but we were having these classes that were talking about workplace and whatever and, like, relationships in the workplace. And the point that I finally came to it was, like, all the things that you think are gaining you points, like, you're not creating exceptions, you're creating expectations. It's like, you think, if I do this, really, I recognize that with my son now, who is, of my three kids, the one who, like, is willing to try and test enough. It's like, I think that if I'm lenient with you here, that that means that you're going to be like, oh, yeah, that looked out for me. Homework gonna be easy tonight. Nah, it just means that he now expects whatever leniency that I offered. Like, oh, no, this is now the. The norm. That's what Pat didn't understand. He thought Jimmy was gonna be like, oh, you had my back when I was going through that tough times, like, nah, this is the norm. No, like, this is this.
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This. This is. This is what I do.
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Oh, I appreciate you.
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We're all fine. Podcasts are giving away for free, my brother. I appreciate you. Thank you.
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It's available tonight. We'll see.
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Yeah. Sean, did Perplexity have anything to say about the show?
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Yeah, I know we're recording this earlier in the week, but I was curious where Aaron Rodgers will land this season if Perplexity had any information. And they said while his next team remains uncertain, the Pittsburgh Steelers and New York Giants are the primary candidates. This is the best part at the end, though. Is that the Steelers and Giants are both eager to resolve their quarterback situations. But if Rogers decides not to join either team, retirement is another possibility, which I think everyone is hoping for.
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