Hubert Davis’s Done at UNC?, Rick Pitino Redemption, March Madness' "Caucasian Revolution"

Summary

The Right Time with Bomani Jones

Host: Bomani Jones

Episode: Hubert Davis’s Done at UNC?, Rick Pitino Redemption, March Madness' "Caucasian Revolution"

Date: March 23, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively and insightful episode, Bomani Jones and his crew recap the major storylines of March Madness 2026, diving into the evolving landscape of college basketball, coaching legacies, unexpected team lineups, and the uncertain future for UNC’s Hubert Davis. Amid sharp analysis and signature humor, they discuss the so-called "Caucasian Revolution" in the tournament, Rick Pitino's return to national relevance, and the shifting criteria for what makes a great coaching job. Listener voicemails spark discussions on rooting for Duke, immaculate grid strategies, and the cultural associations of names.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

March Madness 2026 Reactions & Bill Self’s Consistency

[01:27–07:16]

• Bomani’s Tournament Viewing Approach: Bomani admits limited engagement with the regular season, which made this tournament feel "refreshing."

  “I don’t even really have the right to have any opinion other than I hope that Duke loses, right?” (01:42)

• Bill Self & Kansas: Kansas’ loss typifies Bill Self’s longstanding "Do Not Trust" list status, citing historic tournament choke jobs (e.g., losses to Bradley, Bucknell, etc.).

  “A man with two national championships, absolutely on the Do Not Trust list. Consistently on the Do Not Trust list.” (02:51)

• End of Game Analysis: Bomani critiques Kansas’ endgame fouling strategy.

  “It felt like the defender’s number one goal on that play was not to play defense on the layup, but simply not to foul.” (05:00)

• Coaching Legacies: Bomani uses a soap opera wedding analogy for how little things change for certain coaches over time.

  “It’s like when you go back for high school reunion … wow, you still work there. Isn’t that something?” (06:28)

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Rick Pitino’s Redemption and Coaching Resurgence

[07:18–09:00]

• Pitino’s Troubles and Bounce-back: Despite high-profile scandals (even ones now irrelevant due to new NIL rules), Pitino’s coaching acumen is lauded.

  “Rick Pitino … he’s as good at coaching college basketball as anybody has ever been at coaching college basketball.” (07:27)

• Public Perception on 'Cancellation': Discusses how ‘cancellation’ is rarely permanent for figures like Pitino, but he’s “been made to pay” in various ways (08:30).

• Key Matchup: Pitino now faces Duke, and Bomani jokes about putting old loyalties aside just to root for the narrative.

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The “Caucasian Revolution” & March Madness Team Identities

[09:00–13:10]

• Nebraska’s Unusual Lineup: A real contender with five white players on the court—unusual outside Ivy League or small schools.

  “I saw that his school was losing to a team that had five white dudes on the floor at the same time. I ain’t never seen no real team do that. Like, not after high school.” (09:51)

• Broader Trends: Purdue and other major teams are bucking recent recruiting trends; Bomani calls it a "Caucasian revolution."

  “The depth of the Caucas river is deeper than it has been in college basketball in quite a while.” (11:11)

• Quotes & Jokes:

  “Basketball with a little race play is just a little bit more fun. Everybody knows it. Nobody wants to say it, but it feels as though … the Caucasians are coming back around.” (12:32)

• Coaches Not Participating: Rick Pitino and John Calipari notably aren't leaning into this trend.

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John Calipari's New Era and Kentucky's Breakup

[13:10–15:00]

• Calipari at Arkansas: A new location but same style—Bomani credits Cal’s adaptable coaching beneath his recruiting prowess.

  “All Cal could do is recruit. Man, Cal was out here whooping ass … like those UMass squads. Go look at those teams at Memphis…” (13:32)

• Kentucky’s New Coach: Notes the break-up was needed, and Kentucky's selection of Mark Pope is questionable, as Calipari advances further than his old program.

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Player Discipline and the Realities of Modern College Hoops

[15:10–16:58]

• Alabama’s Roster Hit: Leading scorer Holloway was busted with two pounds of weed—Bomani emphasizes the scale makes it more serious than typical “people shouldn’t be arrested for weed” debates.

  “Two pounds, I feel like it’s a different discussion. Not even that you’re necessarily wrong here, but two pounds is a lot.” (16:06)

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International Influence & Chicago’s Slavic Connection

[17:03–18:59]

• Illinois’ Eastern European Pipeline: Bomani highlights Illinois’ roster of players with Slavic backgrounds and speculates on Chicago's deep Eastern European community as a hidden talent source.

• Broader Implication: Wonders if colleges have overlooked major pickup scenes in Chicago, possibly missing out on unique talent pools.

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Duke Watch, Fan Loyalties, & North Carolina’s Slide

[19:01–24:56]

• Duke’s Progress and Fan Tribalism: Bomani recounts attempting to rally support against Duke—but even shared hated can’t unite some fanbases.

• UNC’s Collapse & Hubert Davis:

  • UNC blew a 19-point lead vs. VCU; fan apathy and even hostility surround Hubert Davis’ tenure.

    “[The] apathy of the fan base in some cases is apathy, [in] some places is outright hostility about where the program is.” (22:37)

  • Bomani doesn’t frame the loss as fireable in itself, but views UNC’s inaction—postponed show, lack of statement, silence—as a clear sign Davis’s tenure is ending.

    “It feels like he’s so fired that I’m talking about him like he’s been fired, even though he hasn’t actually been fired yet.” (24:56)

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The Coaching Carousel and the 'Death' of Blue Blood Security

[24:56–29:25]

• Misalignments and Job Perceptions: UNC’s struggle to act decisively reflects deep misalignment and confusion about what makes a top program job attractive in the NIL era.

• Changing Blue Bloods:

  “Programs that we consider to be legit, I consider to be legitimate blue bloods … there are six of them [UNC, Duke, Kentucky, UCLA, Kansas, Indiana] … I don’t know how that stuff works anymore.” (26:25)

• Coaching Pipeline: It’s rare for strong coaches to jump from one top job to another unless there's an alumni factor.

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Lessons of Leadership and Identity

[29:27–30:47]

• Hubert Davis’ Tenure:

  • Bomani suggests Hubert was ill-prepared for the modern “GM” aspect of college coaching, holding an outdated ideal of institution and player loyalty.
  • Touches on the cultural misstep Davis made in his introductory presser, referencing pride in both his Black identity and his white wife.

    “He was asked … about the significance of this moment … and he just completely fumbled it… he said … I’m also proud that my wife is white.” (30:15)

• Legacy and End: Despite the ending, Bomani asserts Davis’s legacy is secure for his pivotal wins, especially over Duke/Coach K.

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Notable Quotes

• On Bill Self:

  “It’s like when you go back for high school reunion, … wow, you still work there. Isn’t that something?” (06:28)

• On 'Caucasian Revolution':

  “Basketball with a little race play is just a little bit more fun.” (12:32)

• On Rick Pitino:

  “That man got fired at Louisville behind something that would be totally above board now. … The boys could pay for their own strippers now, right?” (07:59)

• On Hubert Davis’ Press Conference Flub:

  “He said something about, I think he said he was proud to be black, but then he said, and I’m also proud that my wife is white.” (30:15)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Bill Self’s Kansas, coaching patterns: 01:27–07:16
• Rick Pitino’s legacy and comeback: 07:18–09:00
• Nebraska, Purdue, “Caucasian Revolution”: 09:00–13:10
• Calipari/Kentucky/Arkansas swap: 13:10–15:00
• Alabama’s Holloway incident: 15:10–16:58
• Chicago’s Slavic basketball scene: 17:03–18:59
• Duke fan tribalism: 19:01–21:18
• UNC collapse, fans, Davis’ likely firing: 21:47–24:56
• Coaching carousel & Blue Bloods in flux: 24:56–29:25
• Hubert Davis, leadership, legacy: 29:27–30:47

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Memorable Listener Voicemails

• On Being a Duke Fan in a Black Family:

  “You tell anybody else you’re a Duke fan, you could be living with Rambo now. … Rambo’s our Siberian husky who’s in our backyard.” (49:46)

• Immaculate Grid Strategies:

  “With basketball, I often try to fill all the squares with Caucasians; with football, I often try with black quarterbacks if at all possible.” (51:31)

• On the Name Mercedes and No Limit Soldiers:

  “She has no idea what the No Limit soldiers make people say…” (56:50)

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Additional Topics & Running Commentary

• Flag Football Challenge: NFL stars (Brady, Burrow, Hurts) lose to Team USA at flag football, proving that even generational talents are no match for specialists in non-contact forms of the sport.
• Cities Disrupted by NFL Draft: Pittsburgh schools go remote for the NFL draft—shades of “Saints Mania” in New Orleans for the Super Bowl.
• Jay Z’s Upcoming Yankee Stadium Concerts: Ticket prices are wild, but Bomani isn’t surprised by the demand despite Jay Z’s limitations as a live act.
• Vinyl Sales Surging: Vinyl hits $1B+ for the first time since 1983; Bomani muses on the appeal of physical media.

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Tone and Style

Bomani is candid, irreverent, but deeply knowledgeable. The episode is filled with sly, self-deprecating humor, quick switches from sharp critique to affectionate ribbing, and the seamless mixing of sport, culture, and social observation. The analysis respects fan passions but leaves room for jokes on tribalism, tradition, and the ever-moving goalposts of college athletics.

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For college basketball fans, sports culture observers, or anyone curious about UNC’s future and the changing face of the NCAA Tournament, this episode offers both sharp takes and plenty of laughs.

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Transcript

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[Bomani Jones]

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Right Time, presented by Intuit TurboTax.

[Ryan Brumley]

My name is Bomani Jones.

[Bomani Jones]

Thanks for listening wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. We gonna talk about Hubert Davis and

[Ryan Brumley]

the only two days you do is

[Bomani Jones]

your job in a minute. But first we gonna talk about the overall tournament. I tried to be honest with y'

[Ryan Brumley]

all on the front end.

[Bomani Jones]

I don't feel like sometimes y' all

[Ryan Brumley]

appreciate my honesty in ways that y' all should.

[Bomani Jones]

But I ain't really engaged in no

[Ryan Brumley]

college basketball this year.

[Bomani Jones]

I just hadn't gotten around to it. But it made the tournament feel very, very refreshing. Like back in the day I would be watching the tournament looking for confirmation as to whether or not I was right or whether or not I was wrong. I did not approach the tournament at all with that because I don't even really have the right to have any opinion other than I hope the Duke loses, right? But at the same time, some things don't never change, right? I watched St. John's and Kansas play on Sunday evening, and the last 25 years that right there has been the kind of game that Bill Self loses. Like the one thing that was always great about, like really following college basketball closely, Like, I hate him at the point now where all the Cats I knew just about don't coach no more. Except Rick Barnes is still in the league.

[Ryan Brumley]

If you guys didn't know anyway, you

[Bomani Jones]

could always just all your decisions were just based on what coach was it that you did or did not trust. And Bill Self, a man with two national championships, Absolutely on the Do Not Trust list. Consistently on the Do Not Trust list.

[Ryan Brumley]

And the.

[Bomani Jones]

The old pattern used to be when they were, like, really, really excellent.

[Ryan Brumley]

Good.

[Bomani Jones]

The pattern used to be a game that it seemed like they could lose, but Bill Self was afraid that nobody would understand it if they did lose it. For example, they had a year. They lost to Bradley in the tournament, and it was either the next year or the year before. I can't remember which. They lost to Bradley, and they lost to Bucknell that year when Stephen Curry was lights out in the tournament. Kansas won the national championship, but they almost shit the bed against Davidson because it was exactly that sort of game.

[Ryan Brumley]

And Bill Self would just go into

[Bomani Jones]

turtle mode and choke that thing all the way out. Brian, do you remember Ali? Farouk Minesh?

[Po]

Oh, yeah. Northern Iowa's finest.

[Bomani Jones]

That was.

[Ryan Brumley]

It was exact. You see the.

[Bomani Jones]

You see the type of game I'm

[Ryan Brumley]

talking about, a game I still remember

[Po]

almost, you know, 15, 20 years later.

[Bomani Jones]

Yes. Now, Kansas, not as good as they used to be. Right. Which means a game like what against St. John's where you're the higher C, which all are really the same. Oh, that feels like a game that

[Ryan Brumley]

Bill Self will lose.

[Po]

Yes.

[Bomani Jones]

And I feel like at the end of that game, they lost on coaching. And what I mean is this. Ryan, you and I were texting back

[Ryan Brumley]

and forth as this was going, and

[Bomani Jones]

I peeped this early in the second half where it was like eight minutes in and Kansas had not committed a foul. That is admirable that you guys are so dedicated to fair play. On the other hand, a point was going to come where you, like, kind of sort of might need to foul so that you could get the ball back.

[Po]

Yeah. It's a fundamental misunderstanding of how college basketball works.

[Bomani Jones]

Right. And so they get to the end of the game, and lucky for them, Peterson got fouled going to the basket on that last possession, and he made the two free throws in like 12 seconds left. But they had to go down there and they had to foul. Was it four times in a row or. They didn't have to, but the plan was. And it was understandable just to kind of delay things for St. John's to go down there and do all that fouling. But I don't know about you, but it felt to me. And after they had been so keyed up about fouling, the one message that was then sent to all the players is, okay, we can't foul no more.

[Po]

Right.

[Bomani Jones]

We don't have any left. And it felt like the defender's number one goal on that play was not to play defense on the layup, but simply not to foul.

[Vinnie]

Right.

[Bomani Jones]

Like, I. And I could be totally wrong about this, right. Like, maybe I'm being unfair and it's a confirmation bias, but based on 30 years of watching Bill Self basketball and how that's made me feel. Right. But I didn't. I. I felt like that was the wrong play. Like, if you were going to do it like that, save that last foul until a little bit later, like. I know, but I get what your fear is. Your fear is that St. John's is going to throw up some crazy shot. Right. It's the same reason that I do not approve of fouling when you're up three at the end.

[Po]

Because, like, in college basketball and in the. In the NBA or both.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. Anywhere, anything can happen. Just go out there and guard. Yeah, but if they were going to do it the way that they did it, I feel like they should have just gone ahead and guarded, right? Or let. Or give St. John the ball, let them bring it up the floor, then foul a little bit later and just put them in a pos. Put them in a position where they get one, one. One play, right? You're going to get the ball in one. Some side out of bounds. Cause they didn't have any timeouts. Nobody had any timeouts. Right. Maybe that's the play for you to make. That's the way that I would have approached it. But anyway, Bill Self right where I left you, right? You know what I'm saying? Like, it's all. It's. It's like when you go back for high school reunion, you know what I mean? And like, wow, you still work there. Isn't that something?

[Ryan Brumley]

Right?

[Po]

Or a TV show that's been on for 40 years and the character's still doing the exact same thing.

[Ryan Brumley]

Look, man, I watched the Young and the Restless a lot when I was a young. When I was younger. And one of the first things I remember from the Young and the Restless was when Danny and Cricket got married, I believe in the year 1991. I don't know why, but like, sometime over Christmas, I turned on the Young and The Restless. In 2025, Ryan, Danny and Cricket were getting married.

[Bomani Jones]

Not only were they. Not only were they getting married, their hair, each of the hair color exactly the same as it was in 1991. It is the wildest thing that is like, bring that shit, right? Just, Just. Just roll it back over, okay? That was kind of how I felt

[Ryan Brumley]

seeing Bill Self there. Right.

[Bomani Jones]

That was what it was. Rick Pitino, by the way, I always. He. I say he's as good at coaching

[Ryan Brumley]

college basketball as anybody has ever been at coaching college basketball.

[Bomani Jones]

Not really my type of dude necessarily, though, I need to be honest.

[Ryan Brumley]

And I think

[Bomani Jones]

that man had to

[Ryan Brumley]

sit up in federal court and tell them about. What was it, 15 seconds or whatever it was.

[Po]

Yes.

[Bomani Jones]

And look, man, you ain't the only

[Ryan Brumley]

one that's ever happened to, but you the only one that I know of that had to talk about that in court as a.

[Bomani Jones]

As a.

[Ryan Brumley]

As a person that people have heard of. You know what I'm saying?

[Vinnie]

Under.

[Po]

You know, under oath.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That man got fired at Louisville behind something that would be totally above board now. The boys could pay for their own strippers now, right? Fired at Louisville, sat out, went to Iona and did the job there and then got himself back. Like, I know that in. With guys like this in Mary, often people want, for lack of a better term, the cancellation to be permanent. That's never really going to happen for a guy like him. But we cannot pretend as though he has not been made to pay.

[Po]

Yes.

[Bomani Jones]

Over the last nearly 20 years in various forms and fashions. Right. Like. Like, he's taking it. He is now in the Sweet 16, and now he's the hero we need. Okay, they play Duke next.

[Ryan Brumley]

If you did not know this.

[Bomani Jones]

All right, so get all them jokes out of you right now.

[Ryan Brumley]

You know what I'm saying?

[Bomani Jones]

We. We gotta. We. We. We all do it for Louis, Cara,

[Ryan Brumley]

you know what I'm saying?

[Bomani Jones]

Like. Like. And Patino need to put on a sweater to remind us of the good

[Ryan Brumley]

old days and go ahead and do that. Right.

[Bomani Jones]

We got that from the tournament. I'mma tell you about something I saw in the tournament, Ryan. I don't know if you saw this,

[Ryan Brumley]

but you know my good buddy Charlie Kravitz, he is a Vanderbilt grad. And I watched the Vanderbilt, Nebraska game,

[Bomani Jones]

and I did not see the end of it.

[Ryan Brumley]

I hear that the end of that game was quite thrilling.

[Po]

Insane.

[Ryan Brumley]

Say it again.

[Po]

Insane.

[Ryan Brumley]

Oh, it was.

[Po]

Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. I just. I crashed out.

[Ryan Brumley]

I didn't.

[Bomani Jones]

I didn't get to it.

[Ryan Brumley]

I was working on something else.

[Bomani Jones]

I didn't. I didn't. I felt like Nebraska was going to win, and I didn't really care who

[Ryan Brumley]

did at that point.

[Bomani Jones]

I'd been watching a lot of basketball.

[Ryan Brumley]

Okay.

[Bomani Jones]

But anyway, I looked up at a

[Ryan Brumley]

moment and I had to tell Charlie Kravitz something. Because at that time, Vanderbilt was losing badly. And I looked up on the screen and I told Charlie Kravitz what I saw, and I saw that his school was losing to a team that had five white dudes on the floor at the same time.

[Bomani Jones]

I ain't never seen no real team do that. Like, not after high school. You know what I mean by a real team? Like, I'm not talking about, like, the

[Ryan Brumley]

Ivy League schools or nothing like that.

[Bomani Jones]

You know what I mean? Like a team that's actually out here trying to win basketball games, not prove a point, win basketball games. They have five white dudes out there and not one of them had no fade. Wasn't no John B. Going on, neither. It was Nebraska. They look like five white boys that went to Nebraska.

[Ryan Brumley]

They look. They look like they went to intramurals

[Bomani Jones]

and they was like, bring us your best five. And they came out there, and I just want to say they are going to the sweet 16. Okay? Fred Hoiberg. And I know people who see that and be like, oh, of course. No, no, no. I saw Fred Hoiberg's teams at Iowa State. They ain't look like this, right? Apparently, Jimmy Butler broke him. Like Patrick Ewitt broke Dodd Nelson with Dodd Nelson, got back to the. To the Mavericks and started coaching them.

[Ryan Brumley]

It was like, I will never coach

[Bomani Jones]

a black man taller than me ever again. He had had enough of that shit for what was. For what happened when they ran him off that job in New York anyway. I ain't never seen that. And I bring that up simply to say I've been looking around. I saw Purdue, and I guess this ain't that much different for Purdue, but I seen a few different teams, and I don't. I think we not talking about it just because people are greedy and. And they expect there to be stars. But Ryan, I feel like the depth of the Caucasus river is deeper than it has been in college basketball in quite a while.

[Po]

Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of them out there. I mean, going back to St. John's the guy who made the layup, man, Purdue had one.

[Bomani Jones]

And I'mma be honest, I don't really know nothing about the dude. Okay. I think his name was Fletcher and he was good enough that he got to do the post game interview, right? And I looked at his face while he did the postgame interview, and I knew it immediately. I was like. And I heard the way the announcers were big, big up in him. And I was like, I told you, asshole. Guarantee you that boy is an asshole. And he walked off with that straight face. He ain't smiling that interview. And they just beat Miami. And so he got done with that interview. He looked at the crowd with a snarl on his face and took the U and turned it upside down. They ain't even yalls rivals, right? I was like, ooh, asshole. White boys are coming back to basketball, huh? Duke ain't really have no Duke. Duke ain't have no time for y'. All. Y'. All. Y' all started to get bad for business because there was a few too many of them all at one time. Are we sprinkling them about America? Because I gotta say, basketball with a little race play is just a little bit more fun. Everybody knows it. Nobody wants to say it, but it feels as though the, the, the. The Caucasians are coming back around. They, they, they, they making things happen out there. Let me tell you who is not

[Ryan Brumley]

buying into the Caucasian revolution, by the way. Rick Patino.

[Bomani Jones]

No, he is not buying into it. And also let me tell you who else is not buying into it. John Calipari. No, John Calipari got away from Kentucky. It was like never, never again. He may have had one in Arkansas last year I didn't know about. Let me be careful. But let me tell you what has been striking because he's going in the sweet 16. And by the way, Kentucky is not. They. They needed a breakup.

[Ryan Brumley]

We will get to that Kentucky point

[Bomani Jones]

in just a second. But

[Ryan Brumley]

that is a John Calipari team.

[Po]

Yeah. You can tell that by the point guard who can get to the rim anytime they need a basket that he's had for almost 30 years. Now.

[Bomani Jones]

Somebody described it to me like this,

[Ryan Brumley]

and I think that this is the most appropriate. He was like, he's got a great point guard and a team full of motherfuckers.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah, that is what Jo. That is what Josh is here to show up with a guy that can go get buckets and a bunch of tough kids who go hard. And it's kind of hard to coach to that model at Kentucky because the ambitions are just a little bit higher. Right? Like the people who act like Cal couldn't coach. All Cal could do is recruit. Man, Cal was out here whooping ass with Lou Ro as the best player on the team. Like those UMass squads. Go look at those teams at Memphis. There weren't that like, he's. That he was a. An excellent coach at his best. And it time was up for him in Kentucky. The idea that he came to Kentucky

[Ryan Brumley]

and said Arkansas Wants to give me a job. And they were like, so why don't you take it?

[Bomani Jones]

Right. He's in the Sweet 16. Kentucky got the doors blown off by Iowa State. Cal out there again wearing a suit

[Ryan Brumley]

jacket that screams out Iowa.

[Bomani Jones]

I am the head coach of the Arkansas Razorbacks.

[Ryan Brumley]

But it's fun to see him back.

[Po]

Yeah, it's.

[Bomani Jones]

It's fun to be there, especially.

[Po]

Yeah. This time of year. You want to see Cal.

[Bomani Jones]

Yep. But you know what that means.

[Ryan Brumley]

It won't be long before this team

[Bomani Jones]

is eliminated from the tournament in a

[Ryan Brumley]

game in which they shot something in the neighborhood of 12 for 27 from the free throw line.

[Po]

Yep.

[Bomani Jones]

That was that. That is that. That is always what's on the board with coach.

[Ryan Brumley]

California is in the house. Michigan looks incredible.

[Vinnie]

Yep.

[Ryan Brumley]

As we record, Arizona is playing Utah State. I am operating under the assumption that that's not going to be particularly compelling.

[Po]

Yeah, that's why we're recording.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. Is that. Is that.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah, that. That is exactly the point.

[Bomani Jones]

We're also not bothering to see if

[Ryan Brumley]

Alabama is going to be able to win, you know, without their second lead and score. Got caught with a couple of pounds of that work.

[Po]

Turns out Nate Oats. Not a big disciplinarian.

[Bomani Jones]

Hey, look, man, I can't even blame that on Nate Oats. Like, he's like, how's that supposed to know? What is this? For those of you who don't know. Long story, but eight. Holloway was the second lead scorer.

[Ryan Brumley]

Got caught with 2.1 pounds of weed in his house. The task force rolled up on his house and they came in there and apparently they found the weed and the stuff that was used to sell the weed. And I had quite a few friends and a lot of people tried to make the argument. And I get it, like, people shouldn't be getting locked up for weed no more. And if it was an eighth, I'd be there with you. If it was out, I'd be there with you.

[Bomani Jones]

Two pounds. I feel like it's a different discussion. Not even that you're necessarily wrong here,

[Po]

but £2 is a lot.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah, maybe. Yeah, maybe they shouldn't. I'm not like, yeah, I hear you.

[Po]

Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

But that is not the I can't believe people are getting locked up for weed conversation that we've been having over time.

[Po]

Yeah. You get called some papers in his backpack.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. I have people like, bad to apparel. It doesn't even necessarily mean that he was selling. Then we found out it was two. At which point. Yeah, yeah, like, that's that's like the stories you hear about Snoop, okay? And maybe the kids are young and dumb and be like, just because I can, I'm gonna do this. But you know what? I feel like if his. If. If he had enough money to get the £2, it wouldn't still be £2. You understand what I'm saying? There would have been. There would have some. How many pounds did it start off with? It would have been some progress that was being made on that.

[Ryan Brumley]

But, yeah, yeah, they got it with £2.

[Bomani Jones]

Oh, speaking of the white dudes, quick

[Ryan Brumley]

subject change, but we're just enjoying this tournament.

[Bomani Jones]

You watch Illinois play against vcu?

[Po]

I did not see that game.

[Bomani Jones]

Okay? So I watched that game, and I hadn't thought about this with Illinois. Hadn't thought about this at all.

[Ryan Brumley]

While we're staying at some of these spaces that I've chosen to evaluate the tournament.

[Bomani Jones]

Throughout, they had three dudes with Slavic names.

[Ryan Brumley]

Like, one of them is Pedro Stojakovic's son, and they had a couple others.

[Bomani Jones]

And I had never thought about this, and I don't know how many people

[Ryan Brumley]

know this, but the. The Eastern Europeans roll deep in Chicago.

[Bomani Jones]

Like, that's kind of like the thought has been. There've been whispers around the league for

[Ryan Brumley]

a long time that, like, if Jokic ever left Denver, it would be Chicago right where he would want to play. Like, I don't think the polls count as slobs, but, like, Polish.

[Bomani Jones]

Like, Polish people, for example, I think Warsaw is the only city in the

[Ryan Brumley]

world with more Polish people than Chicago has.

[Voicemail Caller]

Right.

[Bomani Jones]

Like, is that. Is that type of spot.

[Ryan Brumley]

But.

[Bomani Jones]

But, you know, we be watching in the Olympics. We've been watching the NBA for a long time. Man, them boys from Slavic countries be hooping. Right. You know what I'm saying? I. I had never thought about it. Is it possible that there's, like, a pickup scene in Chicago that we just don't know about? You know, like. Like, we. We know about, like, the cast that was going to Illinois back in the day. The Kendall Gills, the Marcus Liberties, Ben Wilson, rest in peace, all of that stuff. Man, what if they over there playing Y ball and Illinois just been ignoring this for so long, they just been over there, no look, passing, standing still, behind, you know, throw it behind the back, shit, everything else, and nobody knew, but they had them cat cats was out there playing Illinois.

[Po]

Well, but just seven footers or whatever. Do you.

[Bomani Jones]

That's right. Or. And cats with a. With handles and a bunch of chest hair. Yep, We've seen that model Too, you know, Illinois, for all we know, they've been sitting on the gold mine. Had. Had. Had no idea that it was going on.

[Ryan Brumley]

Also, I mentioned that Duke's going to the next round.

[Bomani Jones]

They going Sienna. I thought Sienna.

[Ryan Brumley]

Sienna was coming through for us, man. Yep, they was doing it. I felt.

[Bomani Jones]

Felt.

[Ryan Brumley]

I mean, I knew they wasn't gonna win, right?

[Po]

But we were getting excited.

[Bomani Jones]

I tell you this.

[Ryan Brumley]

They did a better job. They.

[Bomani Jones]

They did. They did a better job.

[Ryan Brumley]

Well, actually, no. Let me be careful.

[Bomani Jones]

Actually, no. So I sent a tweet for the

[Ryan Brumley]

Duke gang that said, today we are all amphibians. And I said that because Duke was playing against tcu, okay?

[Bomani Jones]

Now, earlier in the day, I had text Joel to say that, you know, we was all gonna be homies.

[Ryan Brumley]

For those of you who don't know,

[Bomani Jones]

Joel is a TCU alum. And so I hit him up and we had a little conversation. We had a little back and forth about it. He said he was worried they weren't gonna be able to score enough points or whatever, but, you know, I felt like we was on the same team, right? So then I said my tweet that say, today we are all amphibians. Here he go, retweeting that, talking about, nah, we don't want you and we don't need you. What, like, that's Duke over there. That's Duke over there. You like, nah, we good. When in reality, y' all was ass. Y' all lost by 23 points, which is to say, y', all, Sienna Sienna did more for the cause than TCU did. Joe so dedicated to hating. So dedicated to hating that we couldn't even join forces against Duke for the common good. You know what I'm saying? And then, hey, man, maybe it's a whole ring of tailgate thing, man. I got Van Lathan. Should I wait to ask Van? Should I wait to talk to Van about that weird Scottie Pippen commercial that he did the voiceover for?

[Po]

Scott's a good topic for, you know, whenever he comes on the show, he

[Bomani Jones]

makes a good point that it's good

[Ryan Brumley]

advertising because it has us talking about Mr. Pull. Anyway, if you haven't seen the commercial, Google it. Scottie Pippen. Mr. Pip, you will find it to be weird, and maybe it just always feels like Scottie's hating to tie that. To tie that together. See what I'm saying?

[Bomani Jones]

Talking about haters, I was trying to root for his.

[Ryan Brumley]

Hey, man, North Carolina blew a 19 point lead on Thursday night to VCU, okay? Now I have only paid so much attention to North Carolina basketball this season. But what was a bad sign for Hubert Davis is that sentence also applies to some of my friends who are the biggest Carolina fans I know.

[Po]

Yeah, not a great sign.

[Ryan Brumley]

They checked out.

[Bomani Jones]

They. They had checked out. There are a lot of criticisms to be made of Hubert's tenure there. Like criticisms that I can tell you about. Again, having only watched but so many of their games.

[Ryan Brumley]

Right.

[Bomani Jones]

You can just look at the record

[Ryan Brumley]

and see certain level of criticism that is fair. The. The apathy of the fan base in some cases is apathy. Some places is outright hostility about where the program is.

[Bomani Jones]

I did not think, though, that that

[Ryan Brumley]

loss in that game was a fireable offense.

[Bomani Jones]

It is a reinforcement if Hubert gets fired. Because I don't know if you saw this, Ryan, but on Sunday night, Jones

[Ryan Brumley]

angel, the voice of Carolina sports and Carolina basketball. I know. Anyway, he sent a tweet out that said that they had postponed the final episode of the season of the Hubert Davis Show.

[Bomani Jones]

What are we waiting on, man? Yeah, like, like maybe, maybe he will be fired by the time people hear this podcast on Monday. But if this is what is going to be fire him. I know that if they fire him before April 1st, they got to pay

[Ryan Brumley]

him like three and a half million dollars or something like that, but at

[Bomani Jones]

some point you got to try to hire somebody else. And it's an amateur operation that drags

[Ryan Brumley]

this out in such a manner.

[Po]

Right. Get.

[Ryan Brumley]

It's over.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah, it's over. Go. Go ahead and let him go. I think that fans generally believe that

[Ryan Brumley]

they're going to let him go.

[Bomani Jones]

My thought on Hubert is it doesn't

[Ryan Brumley]

matter if Hubert lost every game he coached four years in a row. His legacy is solid. He has the two greatest wins in the history of that program, and no one can ever take those things away from him. I also think that it was very

[Bomani Jones]

clear early the job that Hubert got

[Ryan Brumley]

was not the job that Huber was preparing for, and it was not the job that Hubert wanted. Huber was the big one, was he was highly resistant to the idea of getting a general manager to run that basketball program because that is a notion of professional sports. Hubert, I firmly believe, believe that he took this job as a man of Christ to guide and mold young men and as a man who loves that institution, to put together a team of guys who also love that institution and go out to represent that institution. And, buddy, that is not college basketball anymore. You can.

[Bomani Jones]

Whether you think that's good or bad is its own discussion. I'm Just telling you it's not what it is. Yeah, that. That's not what the game is. Right. But if Caleb Wilson is not hurt,

[Ryan Brumley]

is Hubert Davis fired?

[Po]

Probably not.

[Bomani Jones]

Or are we having this discussion? Because I say he hasn't. It feels like he's so fired that I'm talking about him like he's been fired even though he hasn't actually been fired yet. Because you have to fire him now. Once you waited this long and nobody said anything, you got to fire him. If you had come out immediately and been like, hey, say what you want, but he's coming back next year. Right. Got a big time recruit coming in, he's coming back. And that's. That. That's not what they're doing. That's not what they said.

[Po]

No, they're surveying. They're clearly surveying the waters behind the scenes for his replacement.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's. If you have to do that, then you need to. You need to go about this because I don't know who you hire. I don't know who the right guys you hire. I don't know who you hire. That satisfies people. This is the thing that happened with Kentucky, with Cal. They were happy that Cal went, but they did not do that. They did not let Cal go because they thought they were going to hire Mark Pope.

[Po]

Correct.

[Bomani Jones]

They just didn't. Right. Whether he needed to go or not, they did not do that thinking they were going to get it. By the way, Mark Pope is at home and. And John Calipari is in the sweet 16 for. For whatever that's worth.

[Ryan Brumley]

Right.

[Bomani Jones]

There are a lot of complicated factors at play, but that. That reality is undeniable when schools have their jobs to come over, especially schools that think very highly of their jobs. And this is, to me, in this,

[Ryan Brumley]

in the previous era, the best job that there was.

[Bomani Jones]

Right, Right. All things held equal.

[Ryan Brumley]

Carolina's probably getting the player, and I think that's the metric as to whether or not you have the best job. Right.

[Bomani Jones]

Okay.

[Po]

Especially in basketball.

[Bomani Jones]

Yes. Yes. All things held equal. That was the program. Okay. I don't know how that stuff works anymore. The programs that we consider to be legit, I consider to be legitimate blue bloods. In college basketball, there are six of them. Carolina, Duke, Kentucky, ucla, Kansas, and Indiana's

[Ryan Brumley]

kind of been voted off the island, I guess. But they're the. I mean, a blue blood is a blue blood.

[Bomani Jones]

Even if times are a little hard. Right.

[Po]

Like we were talking about this before the show. What do we do with UConn now

[Bomani Jones]

they're just nouveau reach. They, they are in a, they are in a conversation that I cannot explain. Right, right. They have won six national championships since 1999.

[Ryan Brumley]

Right.

[Bomani Jones]

So it's, it's a little newish. Right. But my point about these jobs is anytime one of these jobs comes open, they believe that they can get any coach in the world to take that job. That's not really how it works. People typically do not give up good, two very good jobs, even for excellent

[Po]

jobs,

[Ryan Brumley]

unless there's an alumni factor at play. That's how Roy Williams leaves Kansas and

[Bomani Jones]

goes to North Carolina. But he didn't do it the first time they offered it to him. Right. This happens like when Texas head coaching

[Ryan Brumley]

job comes open in football and stuff like that. Right.

[Bomani Jones]

Which, which coach is it that you're going to get? You're. You're not. Unless there's a super hot shot coach that's on the rise, you are typically not going to get a coach that

[Ryan Brumley]

you feel like is up to the standard of having your job.

[Bomani Jones]

Because that's just how it works. If there's no and there, if there's not appear to be a name that's out there. So like Dusty May is not leaving Michigan to go take the North Carolina job. The Michigan job that he's built up is too good to go to this job that, by the way, people have questions about whether there's the proper institutional commitment to winning. Right. Whether or not the problem actually is Hubert. He is a problem. The problem, I think Hubert leaves and you find out that you have a whole lot of other things that you

[Ryan Brumley]

need to get straight.

[Bomani Jones]

And there's a level of alignment amongst the money that you gonna need to get figured out. We saw what happened with their football search. There was no alignment in play there. They can't even align to fire this dude. Now, like, would you go take this job? Watch it. As you forget about whether it's respectful or not to Huber. They clearly want to fire him and can't figure out how to do it. That is not a great commercial for the job that you're going to go out there with. But again, now it's too late. I don't think for a job like that you let go of the coach you got. Unless you know, right. You got a dude back.

[Po]

And I mean, I mean you talk about having the money, right. Dusty May's got one of the richest men in the world as his booster.

[Bomani Jones]

Yes.

[Po]

Like, you know he's going to leave and go to Carolina for what?

[Bomani Jones]

Right. That's. This is.

[Ryan Brumley]

It's not what it used to be. But there's a lesson to be learned from the Hubert Davis story. And I mentioned a little earlier, there's an old saying. They got you only really do two days on your job. The disastrous press conference on your way in and the disastrous press conference on your way out.

[Bomani Jones]

Because it ended for Hubert with that press conference that he had after that game.

[Ryan Brumley]

But for a lot of people, it

[Bomani Jones]

ended at that press conference that he had when he first got the job. Ryan, we were not working together at the time. I don't know if you were around

[Ryan Brumley]

people who cared that much about this part of the press conference, but Hubert was the first black head coach at the University of North Carolina. Black head coach at Dean Smith's program. This is a very, very, very big deal. He was asked the question about the significance of this moment, and he just completely fumbled it. He couldn't have fumbled it any worse. And he said something about, I think he said he was proud to be black, but then he said, and I'm also proud that my wife is white.

[Experian Announcer]

And

[Ryan Brumley]

I felt like I know what he was going for, but he has not lived that down with a significant portion of the populace. And I'm just talking about the black people. Okay, Ryan, you know this better than me, and I think it's okay to co sign me on this. All right?

[Bomani Jones]

Black people don't really like hearing you

[Ryan Brumley]

talk about your white woman, but we ain't never really like, killed nobody over it.

[Bomani Jones]

You know what I'm saying? Like, why co signing? Yeah. White guys really ain't trying to hear you talk about that white woman. No, no, no. They're not like, oh, you're just like us. Yeah, no, no. I don't care how nice you are, Hubert. Like, if black people had that much of a problem with it, I don't know how many white people had a problem with it, but I guarantee you they are out there. Then he gets to the last press conference where they're like, hubert, why did you not make any? Why did you only play six guys in the second half? Because that was my choice, brother. This was. You can't. You only did though. He did those two days. He did those two press conferences, but in between, he zip. Coach K up Weiss, on behalf of erbody, thank you for your service. Ever wanted to go to the NBA Finals, well, now's your chance, courtesy of FanDuel. All you have to do is use your profit boost on an NBA future and you'll be entered for a shot to win an NBA Finals trip for two NBA futures let you lock in your pick for who you think will

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[Ryan Brumley]

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[Ryan Brumley]

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[Bomani Jones]

We know you can't be on top of all the news and information of the day. No need for the social media feeds.

[Vinnie]

We got you now if you haven't heard.

[Po]

All right, Bo, if you haven't heard a couple other stories from the weekend NFL stars tried to play flag football and they got smoked by the USA team. Some of the people who are out there, Tom Brady, Jaden Daniels, Joe Burrow, Jalen Hurts and they lost multiple times to Team usa. Po, what was your reaction to the story?

[Bomani Jones]

Okay, so this game, correct me if I'm wrong, was supposed to be in Saudi Arabia.

[Po]

Correct.

[Bomani Jones]

But you know the block is hot. Block is hot, hot, hot. So they had to, they had to bring it back over here. Are they still getting paid Saudi Arabia prices?

[Po]

No, I. I don't think. I don't. I don't think they got that like,

[Bomani Jones]

was there a clause that's in there, by the way? Like, did, did this stop being sports washing because they brought it back over here to the United States? So the thing that's interesting about this is this is not a game that NFL players play.

[Po]

Right?

[Bomani Jones]

Right.

[Ryan Brumley]

Like, this is.

[Bomani Jones]

Flag football is a much different game

[Ryan Brumley]

because you can't hit the people. Okay.

[Bomani Jones]

I can only imagine how motivated those

[Ryan Brumley]

flag football guys were to beat the

[Bomani Jones]

guys in the league, if for no other reason than they cared this much

[Ryan Brumley]

about flag football in the first place.

[Po]

Right. This is their job.

[Bomani Jones]

They basically do that shit for free.

[Po]

Yeah.

[Ryan Brumley]

None of these boys would be playing that football for free.

[Bomani Jones]

Not a single. Not a single one of them would be doing that. But correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Logan Paul tackle? J. Tackle. Famous quotes. Jalen Hurts.

[Po]

Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

Hey, man, who they. Who? Yeah, everything. If I was an Eagles fan, I'd

[Ryan Brumley]

be, we gotta, we gotta get a new quarterback.

[Bomani Jones]

Like, that's, that's the guy to hit. Like, like, like what? Like, what happens. What happens if you just not thinking it.

[Ryan Brumley]

Stiff arm somebody in a, in a flat football game.

[Bomani Jones]

Like, I think you get away with stiff arm.

[Ryan Brumley]

And Logan Paul, you could.

[Po]

I, I, I, I certainly. Jalen Hurts, who is well liked, who could get away with stiff arming Logan Paul like Ryan.

[Bomani Jones]

I don't know if you remember this,

[Ryan Brumley]

because he would have been a bit young for this, but the best part of the story about. It's about that time that Lefrell Sprewell choked pj Carlissa Moore in practice.

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Ryan Brumley]

But anyway, pj, they was all down on pj. And so it's not simply that Spree started choking about and that nobody, like, really broke it up is that there was cats that was over there shooting

[Bomani Jones]

free throws on the side goal, look over.

[Po]

No one broke it up.

[Bomani Jones]

They kept shooting free throws. Forget about not breaking it up. They didn't stop what they were doing. They just kept on doing. I feel like that's what would happen if you sniff off Logan Paul.

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Po]

Everybody turns around.

[Voicemail Caller]

Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

Everybody's just like, I ain't see no foul. It's kind of how when Robert Parish beat up Bill Lamb beer in the, in the playoffs, and then he kick about the game. Hey, hey, hey. You know, it'd be like that sometimes.

[Po]

Are you ready for 48 hours if Tom Brady could still play in the NFL?

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

It's that time of year, man.

[Ryan Brumley]

Right.

[Bomani Jones]

Like, there's only been so many topics

[Ryan Brumley]

that you could put on television for the tournament. That'll like, really catch on. But we would talk about this.

[Bomani Jones]

That's a good D block topic.

[Po]

Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

Right at the end of the show, going right into the rapid to the other show.

[Ryan Brumley]

I don't know, guys.

[Bomani Jones]

Does Tom Brady still have it? Because Tom Brady. Does Tom Brady still think he has it?

[Po]

Yes. Clear.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yes.

[Bomani Jones]

Yes.

[Po]

Absol. Tom Brady absolutely thought he was the best NFL quarterback that was there.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah, I think. You think Tom Brady.

[Ryan Brumley]

No, I don't want to say that.

[Po]

Yeah, you do.

[Ryan Brumley]

He just had to make sure he could get some custody. Right?

[Bomani Jones]

Like, if not for that, is he still playing football? That mean that, man, we don't know

[Ryan Brumley]

if he gave up his family to keep playing football, but the signs were there, right?

[Po]

Yeah. I mean, it clearly was not going well for. And he clearly. He clearly thinks in the right situation, he could win another Super Bowl.

[Bomani Jones]

At 48 years old, he might have to give a little bit money back to, you know, help them balance the cap or whatever, but. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like. Like, don't let the Raiders get good. You're gonna be showing up like Jordan used to show up to play pickup.

[Po]

Hey, young buddy. This is how it's done.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Give me that. Give me that. Give me that. Go, go.

[Ryan Brumley]

Go to the back and get my jersey.

[Voicemail Caller 2]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ryan Brumley]

It'd be a red 12.

[Po]

All right. Speaking of the NFL, the NFL draft is in Pittsburgh this year, and the Pittsburgh public schools will have to operate remotely. From April 22 to April 24, the city is hosting the NFL draft. With road closures, heightened security, parking restrictions, and heavy traffic expected, city believes remote learning is the best option during that time.

[Ryan Brumley]

Look, man, I've been told that Pittsburgh is a city that has its charms, okay?

[Bomani Jones]

It's a city that is big enough

[Ryan Brumley]

to support three major league sports franchises.

[Bomani Jones]

Ryan.

[Ryan Brumley]

I don't remember if it was last year or the year before. I don't remember exactly what year it was, but they had the draft one year in Green Bay, Wisconsin, I think.

[Po]

That was two years ago.

[Ryan Brumley]

It was two years ago.

[Vinnie]

Yeah.

[Ryan Brumley]

I don't recall hearing anything about Green Bay shutting down schools for the draft.

[Bomani Jones]

In fact, I'm asking the brain right now.

[Ryan Brumley]

Correction.

[Po]

They have to shut down the schools.

[Ryan Brumley]

Green Bay did close the schools. All I'm asking you, Pittsburgh, do you

[Po]

want to be in the same.

[Bomani Jones]

Are you Green Bay?

[Ryan Brumley]

Are you Green Bay? Are you Green Bay? That's what I'm asking. It reminds me, in 2010, before the Super Bowl. You'll love this. My south Louisianan friend. Somebody had A case before court, I want to say, the week of the super bowl and some whatever court in New Orleans. And he filed whatever kind of paperwork you put in to try to get a delay on the trial. And the argument put forth in the paperwork was that the area was soon to be taken over, and I quote, by Saints Mania, and that Saints Mania got a hold of the city, but nobody gonna be getting no work done.

[Bomani Jones]

So we should push the trial till

[Ryan Brumley]

later so we could deal with this Samania.

[Bomani Jones]

And of course, in Laziana. It worked.

[Po]

It worked.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah, it worked like a char. You didn't even. I felt like the judge is like, you ain't even have to go through all this. Why did you just ask me why

[Po]

you didn't even have to file the motion?

[Bomani Jones]

Right, right, right. Like, like you, like you really took time to type that shit out and everything, huh? Brother, I was just waiting for you to say the word.

[Po]

All right, moving over to music. Jay Z will be performing two concerts in Yankee stadiums in July to celebrate 1 30th anniversary of reasonable doubt and 25th anniversary of the Blueprint. Like I said, Friday, Saturday in July at Yankee Stadium. Bo, what was your. Were you surprised by this?

[Bomani Jones]

No, I was not surprised. And there are parts of me that

[Ryan Brumley]

would really love to go to the Reasonable Doubt show

[Bomani Jones]

blueprint if you gave me tickets.

[Ryan Brumley]

Right. Ryan, have you looked and seen what it appears it's going to take to be able to go to these concerts?

[Po]

I can only imagine because, I mean, Yankee Stadium's big, but it's not like these 80,000 seat arenas.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

The problem is these shows are a very rare quantity.

[Ryan Brumley]

Right.

[Bomani Jones]

Like, truthfully, this is the kind of thing that like Paul Simon would do

[Ryan Brumley]

it in Central Park.

[Po]

Yes.

[Bomani Jones]

You know, and you get like a

[Ryan Brumley]

quarter million people who pull up.

[Po]

There's that kind of. There's certainly that kind of demand here.

[Bomani Jones]

That. That's what. That's what it appears to be. Which is fascinating for a mediocre live performer. Like, it's just not his bag. He's not terrible. Right, right. Like, but the. I. The idea of the show excites me because a Jay Z. The bond at a Jay Z show is the bond of the song and the way that people feel about the songs. Like, it basically it'll turn into. You'll do the performing for him, more or less. But I'm not paying that kind of

[Ryan Brumley]

money for a dude that's not like excellent at this.

[Bomani Jones]

Right.

[Ryan Brumley]

You saw that. You're looking at them numbers.

[Po]

Yes.

[Bomani Jones]

They're crazy.

[Po]

Yeah, they're crazy for New York.

[Bomani Jones]

And it's going to be insanely hot. It is a baseball stadium. I don't know how concerts go there,

[Ryan Brumley]

but, like,

[Bomani Jones]

Jay Z is a stadium act. That's asking for a lot. Right. And by the way, some people are

[Ryan Brumley]

going to remember me saying something, and I want to be very clear about what I said before I made the point once. The Jay Z could not sell out stadiums. Like, he could not do a stadium tour.

[Bomani Jones]

He could not do a stadium tour. No, but you say two nights only doing a stadium with very special shows.

[Po]

Oh, he could do that in New York.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He might be able to do these, like, three of these. Right? Like, he, he, he could give you that. And people who go are going to have a great time.

[Ryan Brumley]

I'm not spending that money, though.

[Bomani Jones]

Not me.

[Po]

All right. Speaking of music, vinyl sales crossed a billion dollars in U.S. revenue this past year. First time it's hitting this milestone since 1983. Bo, are you surprised by this?

[Bomani Jones]

I am actually, yes. I am a little surprised by it. Like, I'd love to see a little

[Ryan Brumley]

bit more demographic information now about who the vinyl people are becoming, because I

[Bomani Jones]

do think, for me, at least, there's something to be said for, for a

[Ryan Brumley]

number of reasons for having a physical copy. Like, one, for me, it's kind of like the foot. It's kind of my footprint in the world. Otherwise, all my stuff is in, is in machines, right.

[Bomani Jones]

Like, I don't have files printed out in paper and stuff like that.

[Ryan Brumley]

I got stuff on hard drives, you know, they like. And you know, that that's what my life is, you know, that's what life

[Bomani Jones]

has become for a lot of people.

[Ryan Brumley]

So I think that there is a certain charm to physical copy.

[Bomani Jones]

And also it is, it is truly a better listening experience.

[Ryan Brumley]

What I also think is happening is it sounds like this is older people going back and buying all the stuff of their, their time.

[Vinnie]

Right.

[Bomani Jones]

I'd also like to know if those

[Ryan Brumley]

that number includes resale.

[Bomani Jones]

Like, if it's just new vinyl, then

[Ryan Brumley]

that's a really interesting number.

[Bomani Jones]

But I do find that what I do, and I recognize that there's a

[Ryan Brumley]

measure of privilege in this, but most

[Bomani Jones]

things I'll still stream.

[Ryan Brumley]

But the people I really care about, I reward by buying a physical copy of like the Surgeon that just came out just bought one of those weird records. That's a whole nother episode for another day. But, but yeah, I'll buy every record he puts out. He's earned it. He deserves my Money.

[Po]

All right, Bo. Couple voicemails. Always some good ones. Here's the first.

[Voicemail Caller]

Hey, what's up, Bo? This Jordan caller from Georgia, and I'm gonna tell you about the time that my family founder, my brother, is a black Duke fan. So it was back in 92 when Duke was playing Michigan at that championship. And we all watching the game and they say, you know, my brother, who about 10 at the time, like, yeah, go Duke. And so he says, go, Duke. And my uncle, my dad's brother looked at him and said, did you say, go, Duke? He's like, yeah, go, Duke. And my dad's got this menacing look on his face. And my dad's like, son, what do you. What do you like, Duke? My brother's like, well, Grand Hill is cold. And then Mark was like, yeah, great. Hill is cold. He is cold. And then my uncle looks at my brother, he says, how you feel about Christian Lake? And my brother's like, I don't like him. He kicked that man in the chest. He was talking about when Chris Christian like to put Timberlake in the chest. And they played against Kentucky. But, yeah, Duke won the game. Let's just say the house wasn't happy. But I remember in the game, my dad was talking to my brother, and my dad said, look here, you tell anybody else you're a Duke fan, you could be living with Rambo now. You wonder who Rambo is? Rambo's our Siberian husky who's in our backyard. So safe to say that my brother never told people he's a Duke fan. He just said, you know, he like Grand Hill. So that's how we got the black Duke standing. I said, appreciate it.

[Vinnie]

Both,

[Bomani Jones]

Right? He treated that like one of them, guess who's coming to dinner situations that we talked about before. Like, I dare you. That was. That was once a Saturday Live sketch where they did, like, a Time Life. Like the Time Life videos or whatever,

[Ryan Brumley]

and it was arguments for Christmas in

[Bomani Jones]

case you couldn't come home. And one of them was, I don't give. I say, how dare you bring that black man in my house. I don't give a good goddamn if he can't hear me. That's basically what just happened with him right there. Like, yo, you just told these people that. You do what? He said, you be sleeping with Rambo if you tell. He's like, I can't stop you from doing it, but I could.

[Po]

I could throw you out this house.

[Bomani Jones]

Telling people he would have been better off bringing a man home.

[Po]

All right, here's our Next one.

[Vinnie]

Hey, bro. He from the dmv. So since I heard you talk about immaculate grid a few months back, I've been completely hooked on it. I've got my own strategies and formulas. I try to do two a day. I was curious, though, with your amazing memory, what are some ways that you like to challenge yourself when filling out the grids? Thanks, man. Bye.

[Bomani Jones]

All right, so generally speaking, on immaculate

[Ryan Brumley]

grid, I'm really just trying to get it done depending on the sport. Like baseball, Ryan, all them new teams

[Bomani Jones]

like the Rays and the Diamondbacks.

[Po]

Yeah, those are tough.

[Bomani Jones]

I got nothing like the newer they are.

[Po]

Basically, if they didn't exist in the 80s, you're.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ryan Brumley]

It's a little tough for me.

[Bomani Jones]

Right. Or the night like the. The Marlins and Rockies, I can do okay with.

[Ryan Brumley]

Right.

[Bomani Jones]

But I don't know. It's the. It's the. After that, that's a little.

[Ryan Brumley]

It's a little janky for me.

[Bomani Jones]

With basketball, I often try to fill

[Ryan Brumley]

all the squares with Caucasians. And with football, I often try with black quarterbacks. If it is at all possible, that is. That's what I'll. That's what I'll try to do to.

[Po]

Is that to win the game or for your own personal enjoyment?

[Ryan Brumley]

That's for my own personal enjoyment sometimes.

[Bomani Jones]

Because sometimes they make it where it's easy. Sometimes, though, man, I get out there, like with the NBA in particular, immaculate grid. And. And so the Houston Texans are a tricky one for me because there's a whole however many years that I don't have them, you know, in the rotation like I do with some. With some other schools, but other teams.

[Ryan Brumley]

But it.

[Bomani Jones]

It. It really lets me know what NBA

[Ryan Brumley]

teams I don't be watching. I'm talking about you, the Orlando Magic. I'm talking about you, the Sacramento Kings. And I am talking about you, the Utah Jazz.

[Bomani Jones]

Man, I be having trouble. If it ain't Rudy Gay. Luckily, Rudy Gay played for everybody. If it ain't Rudy Gay, man, I'd be hard up when the Jazz come up. Yeah.

[Po]

Anything after Stockton, Malone, it's.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah, it's a tough go. Tough go.

[Po]

All right, here's our next one.

[Voicemail Caller 2]

Hey, Bomani. Hey, Sean. Big fan. Listening to you and Vinnie talk last week about Big Slim coming reminded me of a clip of Jay Z interview he gave one time where he said, like, he got in the studio and Memphis Bleak was there and Beanie Siegel was there, and, you know, whatever artist they had at the time, and he was like, hey, we got a small Gap and we need to flood the market right now because 50 Cent is coming. And then at the end of the interview is like four months later, the tidal wave came and we couldn't get anything out. So I was wondering, like, I couldn't think of a single parallel in sports besides Victor. Like, I mean, Alabama football sort of had a similar thing, but they had already arrived before. Like, there was no build up. There was no storm to build it up. So I was wondering if you could think of another parallel to, like, what we're seeing with Victor right now, because he's coming and it's going to change everything. Thank you.

[Bomani Jones]

Oh, I mean, I think the obvious

[Ryan Brumley]

answer there is LeBron James.

[Bomani Jones]

The thing with LeBron and where this

[Ryan Brumley]

is going to get interesting with Victor.

[Bomani Jones]

It took LeBron eight years,

[Ryan Brumley]

but he

[Bomani Jones]

got to the finals for the first

[Ryan Brumley]

time in year four.

[Bomani Jones]

It took Michael Jordan seven years outside of Magic and Bird and I guess

[Ryan Brumley]

you could say Tim Duncan because Tim Duncan got there in year two, but Tim Duncan got there and had David

[Po]

Robinson and, you know, strike shortened season.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it took Shaq eight years. It took Kobe, I guess four, but even then, you know, my point being, Victor's coming, but it might take a.

[Ryan Brumley]

It might take a little while.

[Bomani Jones]

Very few of these guys have won

[Ryan Brumley]

championships without us getting impatient about it.

[Bomani Jones]

Shane Gilda's Alexander kind of snuck up and made that happen. You even Jokic. Right. We held back an MVP from him because he hadn't won a championship. Right. Like, we get a little impatient.

[Po]

And that's as part of the NBA's narrative building as anything.

[Bomani Jones]

The spurs have not won a series yet. At the same time. Did you see him hit that shot? Was it Friday? Was it Friday night to win the game? Yeah. I'm like, oh, okay. So we're he from. From the. The elbow extended ISO jumper. This is how we're closing out games.

[Ryan Brumley]

Okay, maybe he's here.

[Po]

All right, here's our last one.

[Vinnie]

It was good, bro. This will living in Seattle, but originally from Virginia. Now after 20 years in the military, Navy to be exact, I feel like I was desensitized from hearing names that I weren't expecting. I wasn't expecting. But I've met white guys named Alfonso, white girls named Monique, Asian guys named Xavier. But now that I'm out in the real world, I had a situation. Now anytime I hear this name, I only think of one thing. Unless you know someone personally, you're not going to think of anything else. So I'm at my new job. The male girl walks in the male lady and we start chopping it up. We exchanged names and there's only one thing that passed through my mind that she told me that her name was Mercedes. So I'm taken aback because as I look at her, she has no idea what the no limit soldiers make people say. You understand what I'm saying?

[Voicemail Caller]

She.

[Vinnie]

She has no idea that took the Shocker raps off beat and I was just like, wow, Mercedes, really?

[Voicemail Caller]

And she said, I really like the

[Vinnie]

name and I just shook my head and I said, it suits you. And since then we got a great friendship. But what I do like to do is I like to sneak in names and no limit songs and albums as we're talking just to see if it clicks for it's not gonna click for a bow. It's not gonna click for. All right, anyway, hey, appreciate everything y' all doing. Love the show. Long time listener. Y' all take care.

[Ryan Brumley]

And Ryan, if you did not know the title of that Mercedes album was literally Rear End.

[Po]

I think you've talked about this before,

[Ryan Brumley]

but couldn't possibly have been more shameless. Possibly have been more shameless.

[Bomani Jones]

But ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much

[Ryan Brumley]

for joining us here on the Right Time.

[Bomani Jones]

We do this four days a week, Monday through Thursday.

[Ryan Brumley]

Ryan Brumley handles everything behind the scenes.

[Bomani Jones]

Thank you sir.

[Ryan Brumley]

Hit the voicemail line. 323-596-7767.

[Bomani Jones]

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[Ryan Brumley]

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[Bomani Jones]

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[Ryan Brumley]

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