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The Right Time with Bomani Jones
Jason Goff on LeBron's disappointing end with Lakers, A.J Brown-Eagles drama, Shedeur Browns QB 1? | 02.25
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Bomani Jones
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Right Time A Wave original. My name is Bomani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. It is that time of week where we have a guest join us. Check them out at the Ringer, check them out at the Athletic. That boy get all the money from all the places. Jason Goff. What's going on?
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Jason Goff
What's happening, brother? Good to see you. Good to talk to you. Always, always checking out all your stuff, man. It's been, it's been a nice lead into, you know, non like I've been joining the rap series. Howard Brian is always amazing. Like I'm, I'm a big consumer of the content, brother.
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Bomani Jones
I appreciate that man. Cause it's. Look, you know it's bad form to like complain to the audience about how hard your job is. It is not that the job is going to be hard for these next few months. It's just not going to be as easy as it used to be. Right? Like, like, like this is this what we, this is where we separate that butter sauce shit from the leather on the Fonz. Right? Like it's that time of year and you know it's that time of year because this how I'm. How we gonna start this? I'mma ask you to pick a number between 1 and 10 and the number you choose determines which old people we gonna talk about.
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Jason Goff
Let's go seven.
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Bomani Jones
Let's go seven. Seven is an odd number. And I had decided that for odd numbers. We was going to discuss what happened in that game with the Lakers and the Magic on Tuesday night where, I mean, look, the Lakers are an interesting situation because they are not as good as their record, right? Like, you don't have to watch them much to recognize that. You can look at the point scored versus points allowed that they have and you can recognize this, right? The other thing that is interesting about them, and this is something I've said about him, I said this is also going to be the case with Carl and Anthony Towns, though. I thought, look, this year is going to be as close as Luka Dodge's MVP was ever going to be, right? Like, we know how it goes. They ran your name down in the streets. They said you was lazy, they said you was fat. All of that, right? He came back, he not fat, but he do be whining. And that was that was that when Brian Winhorst did the thing about yo down there, that's where the winners are. That's not where you at, right? He comports himself like a loser during basketball games. He does all the whining. He. And I don't think that that many people paid that much attention to Dallas Mavericks basketball as a result. They didn't give that much attention to his behavior. There was just kind of a recognition of it because, you know, they'd be trying to let him slide for everything. And when I say they, I mean italics they. So now he's with the Lakers. People are looking a little bit more that fact that you don't play defense, especially since they got another one of you and he from this country and he don't play no defense either, right? Your three best players don't play defense and you be whining all the time. And then at the end of this game, he hit LeBron with what they called in the NBA a grenade. You heard that one before about a grenade. And so what the grenade is, is when it's thought of when it's late in the shot clock. And this is such an NBA thing, when it's late in the shot clock, you just been dribbling, dribbling, dribbling. And then you throw that hot potato to somebody and now they got to throw it up. And the reason that it's a problem for that person is not because it's late to shot clock, is because you go mess up they field goal percentage. And that shit costs money, right? Like that's a very NBA phenomenon, which is the grenade. But he threw the grenade to LeBron at the end of the game. Like, you didn't take the shot. LeBron had to shoot a turnaround three pointer. What are you doing?
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Jason Goff
So it's not only the field goal percentage stuff, but like you mentioned the moment, it made me immediately think of my man Sam Mitchell, who so many times is sitting and talking basketball on the air and off the air. When I was in Atlanta, Sam would talk about things, and then we get off the air, and he mentioned one time about Reggie Miller. He goes, go back and look at some of those games with me and Reggie. For three quarters, you ain't passed me this bitch the entire game. And now all of a sudden, with four seconds left on the shot clock, the best player want to move the ball? Nope. Take that right back. Right. And. And in that moment, I think Luka knew too. Like, Luka knows the history of the game. Luca has said LeBron James is one of his favorite, if not the most favorite player that he has ever witnessed play basketball in his life. So that's his guy. He knows that LeBron needs some of these game winners, too. I ain't got the shot. And the bad part is he had to step back and had the. The separation to put the shot up. He had it right. So when you throw that thing to LeBron and it's like, all right, here's a moment where I know I'm not gonna get it back, because you know, LeBron wants some glory at all times, too. But the angle of the shots, the moment his feet wasn't gathered, LeBron spent all game in the corner. All of a sudden, you want me on the wing shooting this three. Nah, man. And like you mentioned, they got. It's a team with no thumbs, dog, and that record. Do with what you want. But when it comes down to when you got to hit good pitching in the playoffs, like ones and two, that's
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Bomani Jones
what it is that they don't. They don't lose to the number four starter. You know what I mean? Like, you can get to the playoffs in baseball by battering fourth and fifth starters. Playoffs only got ones, twos, and threes,
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Jason Goff
and you gonna get there. You gonna get there. Some young boy is going for the next 11 days. I got you, and I got a name to make. Man.
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Bomani Jones
Playing for that team is so wild. Because the LeBron situation as it relates to. I mean, I think we all understand this is his last year with the Lakers. There's no. There's no scenario under which he can come back. I don't see a financial scenario under which this can happen. There's the unavoidable point that when he and Luka are on the floor together as a team, they are terrible. It just doesn't work. Like, I don't say that as an indictment of either player. That just works out like that sometimes. Like, those two guys can't play together, but they got to work out this whole year. If LeBron James was anybody else, they would have traded him by now. Right? I think we talked about this on the show before anybody else, you're just like, hey, man, this one here ain't really a good fit. Let's just see what else we could get. I honestly don't know why any other team. This is kind of like when Barry Bonds got old, like, right. You still really good, man, but n. I don't think that's best for us.
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Jason Goff
The Juice ain't worth the squeeze.
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Bomani Jones
Yeah, yeah, yeah. For a number of reasons, but he hit LeBron after the game. But now LeBron's like, hey, man, I thought he had shot, but I guess he was off balance. I know I was off balance.
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Jason Goff
And LeBron is in this stage where, let's face it, there have been moments where we said, does he want to be the guy? And he's been the guy. Don't get it twisted. Like, he has carried franchises on his.
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Bomani Jones
Been a long time.
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Jason Goff
It's been a long, long time. But it's also been a long time since he could honestly be like, I'm not the best player on the team. Even in his head, like, the Anthony Davis bubble run, like, Anthony was out there doing things where it's like, this is why you're the number one pick. This is what everyone saw in you. And there was still some, hey, LeBron's still cold. Yes. Now it's like, you, the dude they traded for you, they don't want to go get Mark Williams for me, all these other things. And on top of it, I can kind of, you know, slink on out of here. I don't know, man. You said it a lot about staying too long at the club, and I wasn't around to see OJ as a 49er or Willie May, Franco Harris with the Seahawks, you know what I'm saying? We saw Jerry at the end there with the Raiders and that kind of vibe. Right? But when you see players who are. You don't remember them as anything but great, kind of go out like this, like, as you. Do you want to see LeBron running around Milwaukee, right?
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Bomani Jones
Like, yeah, he should play as long as he wants to play, right? Like, that's like, it's not. It's not for me to say he should. He should play as long as it is that he wants to play. But what I will always remember about Jerry Rice with the Raiders is not. And that wasn't his last stop. He had two more stops.
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Jason Goff
Yeah, Seattle and Denver. Right?
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Bomani Jones
Seattle and Denver, right. But what I will always remember, it is not that Jerry Rice played for the Raiders. It is not that Jerry Rice had a season with 90 something catches and a thousand something yards with the Raiders. You know what I'm going to say? I'll always remember a man had braids when he did not have hair. Nobody has ever been more dedicated to holding on to their youth than Jerry Rice was at the end because they had to be extensions in that shit, too. He had straight Clarkson. Yeah, man. My man, my whole boy Kirk. My boy Kirk referred to that as the black man's comb over. He was absolutely correct. Like, you don't have the hair to keep this up, but you just gonna keep on trying. Jerry had to twist for a little while. And let's not forget, man, Jerry from somewhere in Mississippi, you know what I'm saying? Like. Like, this ain't. It was in San Francisco. Like, it wasn't like he was down there in Miami with them boys or nothing like that. Jerry Rice was holding on to youth harder than anybody ever had. And I feel like that, like, I don't feel like LeBron is doing that exactly, but it does feel a whole lot like after all this time and all these ventures, the man built a school, the man started a production company. He still don't know what the hell to do with himself, so he just going to keep on playing basketball.
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Jason Goff
And the only thing that he has left and the thing that we haven't seen because of just the physical marvel that he's been is the injury. Like the, oh, this is going to be a year or half a year or the end of your career injury, like, and five times. All you're doing is running up against that as much as you possibly can. Missing the games to start the beginning of this season. I. I wonder if his career, like, how do you think 20 years from now he will be talked about, right? Like, we've seen what's happened with Iverson, we've seen, you know, obviously posthumously with Kobe and what's happened with Mike, right? And. And how careers kind of bloom or how they kind of shrivel because how people feel about you and they could actually get that shit off when you're not in the league anymore. How do you think this going to go?
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Bomani Jones
Cause I think he's still going to be the guy for the Post Jordan generation. Right. Like, I think that eventually, who knows what media is going to be, but the kids who grew up as LeBron James stands eventually become the people who write and talk about basketball and then they canonize the heroes of their youth. In large part. I think the part that's going to be interesting about what it is for him after this point in his career is I think the idea and the plan for him was that he was going to retire a Laker, right? Like that was going. He was going to like Wilt Chamberlain is a Philly guy. It was a Philadelphia Warrior, was a Philadelphia 76er, but he retired a Laker. You know, like he stayed in la. He became a, a part of la. I would assume that the Lakers probably would build a statue of LeBron just because he's the all time leading scorer. He will have played there for all that time, but he, they don't owe him one. Right? Like this isn't Kareem, this isn't Pat Riley. This tenure has, I would argue, fallen short of expectation. So what I think he's going to really lean in on is he is going to be a Cleveland Cavalier. Right? That's going to be. I think Cleveland's going to be for him like what San Francisco was for Barry Bonds, which is you always got a home, you always got the place to go. And I think he's going to live in la, right. I think he still wants to be part of that infrastructure. But Cleveland is going to be the place. I mean 70. You think it's coincidence that the 75th anniversary all star game with the 75 players is in Cleveland with LeBron James and everybody. It might have been a coincidence. Just to be clear.
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Jason Goff
This is perfect.
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Bomani Jones
One felt pretty tidy, right?
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Jason Goff
Yeah, yeah, I, it's. And even when you say that the people who are the LeBron stands who grew up are now the ones getting ready to write about his career or you know, tell stories about his career, there's a major like, I still to this day think the basketball gods robbed us of having that dude in the Eastern Conference and Kobe in the Western Conference for all that time and not colliding, but with Kobe's passing and also the, the, the legend of Kobe at the end of his career that bloomed even more. There's a lot of dudes, LeBron's contemporaries and younger who have that Kobe dent in there where it's going to be like, yeah, we gon. Yeah, you might think you the best post Jordan, but because in depth, it's got that like, Biggie Pac feel. Well, biggie, especially to me, where it's like, in death, Kobe has been put in these conversations where we're talking about top fives that I was like, hey, man, Kobe was amazing. And Kobe threatened to put 81 on me in the locker room once because I asked him about his fingering and people going at it. So it's like, he was that dude. But in death. And also with the dislike of LeBron James and social media being what it is, there's. There's been that he's never had that. That gliding moment of everybody understands and is on the same page that some of these other stars had, whether it be with Steph, whether it be the Derrick Rose couple of years.
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Bomani Jones
Well, Kobe had to come back around to it though, right? Like Kobe. Kobe had lost to people and obviously. And then death turn. That's a longer discussion for a different day. But, you know, but Kobe had to. Had to, in its. In his way, come back into it. The other part that'll be interesting for LeBron is Michael Jordan is still a relatively young man, so he gets like the Joe DiMaggio greatest treatment.
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Jason Goff
It's still winning, by the way.
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Bomani Jones
He still is.
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Jason Goff
He still is bumping in the winds like, yeah, okay, I'll do this.
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Bomani Jones
Hey, look, man, Mike is like, I need to. I everything. He is addicted to competition. He's like, I do not have a gambling problem. I have a competition problem. That is correct. Right? That sounds like an excuse, but that is. I just can't imagine just what it's like being around Michael Jordan all the time, trying to bet on everything.
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Jason Goff
Hey, listen, I. I've. I've had people who have hosted him in card games where it's like, oh, no, no, the card game ain't over until Michael say everybody is tired because Michael gonna try to beat you out your money, win whatever money he lost, and then. And try to embarrass you. So that's gonna be a good eight, 10 hours. You know, buckle up, buckle up. Like the competition thing, too. Like the frame and the lens of all these things. Post Jordan, and I think about it quite often, like you mentioned the rings culture in talking about enjoying the NBA. The post Kobe, post Jordan, that's the archetype for the kind of killer that you want on a team. Has taken away some of the enjoyment that I think even LeBron would have. Think of LeBron if Mike loses one of those finals or if Kobe doesn't have the run that he had while LeBron was in the league. Yeah, at the end too. Especially, like, we're talking, we talk, we talk favorably about really cool careers in a way that we just don't do anymore. You mentioned Luka and how people have kind of got adjusted to his game and kind of had to reshape it because he's that dude. James Harden. If James Harden was doing this in the 80s, we refer to him the way we do with, you know, the Alex English is. And Adrian Dantley's of the world. The cats who were like, they didn't win, but I'll be damned if they didn't entertain the. Out of me for 15 years. Even the bad teams, like, I remember watching Dallas like, hey, I know this team ain't gonna win nothing, but Rolando Blackman is gonna put 30 on your ass at some point. You know, in this week. Like those, those enjoyment levels, you know, post those two guys, I'm not saying, you know, blaming those two guys, but post those two dudes. And inside of this career, it's been a crazy, like, way to map out this Venn diagram of who really like how much do you like basketball, how much do you like lore, and also, where do you want to find your entertainment at?
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Bomani Jones
Well, it's going to be also, and I think it's a great point, it's going to be very interesting to watch how that plays out as the years go, because I think we are in an era now that is most reminiscent of the 1970s, which is the dynasty free era of basketball. Like, we're not going to see. I don't think we're going to see guys winning four, five championships. They've done everything they can to make it such that it would not work that way. Like, it's entirely cool.
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Jason Goff
You like that? Do you. Do you need somebody to.
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Bomani Jones
I like, I like the Dynasty saga.
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Jason Goff
Right.
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Bomani Jones
I prefer the Dynasty saga. I also think, though, in terms of the ways that we evaluate players and think about who's who and what's what, we're going to need to recalibrate that. Like the likelihood that there's anybody else that gets four rings, five rings, six rings, forget about, like, we've acknowledged nobody's going to get 11 like Russell because it's just a different game. Right. The Sam Jones 8, like, we just know it's not going to be like that again. Right. And so we don't. Very few of us say Michael Jordan will never be as good as Bill Russell because Bill Russell has 11 rings right now. Look, you can take it further. Bill Russell never lost the game seven. That is the. Right. That is an insane stat. But we, we change the ways that we evaluate these things. LeBron is probably going to go down as the last superstar of the era where you could rack up four rings. Well, I guess Steph Curry is right there with him.
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Jason Goff
Right.
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Bomani Jones
But. But after those two guys.
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Jason Goff
Yeah, yeah. And all the people. See, that's why this Oklahoma City thing is so interesting. And, and. And San Antonio being where they're at, because the league has pretty much told you draft and develop, but by the way, you're not going to be able to pay everybody that you draft and develop. And now, you know, you're going to be looking at it. All right, so is Dylan Harper more valuable than Devin Vassell or is.
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Bomani Jones
Is.
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Jason Goff
Is. Is dear and Fox too long in the tooth. And we're talking about a window that's just opening here for that San Antonio squad. I've always appreciated premium product and having something that. That is the mark of excellence and everybody's shooting for that, you know, and. And the NBA that we kind of grew up in, where, you know, the 90s Bulls, the 80s Celtics and Lakers, the. The late 80s Pistons, where it's like, all right, you know, put. Put your model together and this is when they had different styles and the game wasn't so homogenized in a way that we watch it strategy wise, but like put together and. And we gonna figure out if they better than Sally and Lamb beer and Moore and Rodman like that.
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Bomani Jones
And you gonna see him year after year after year. They. We gonna make some. We gonna make some tweaks. It's gonna be some changes, but it's
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Jason Goff
gonna jump in here, right?
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Bomani Jones
Yeah, yeah. Right. But it's gonna be the same like, like, like, like, don't. Don't get it Twist. You're gonna know who it is. Like, that's why it's been a great time watching this Pistons Nick situation, right?
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Jason Goff
Real Thunders.
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Bomani Jones
Yeah, Thunder Spurs. Right. Cause look, here's the thing about this era, and this is where this Victor thing is going to get crazy. I don't know how much it's going to matter who these other people are that you put around Victor. Like, he the one that got a chance. He's the one that has the chance to be the one guy that can hold this all the way down.
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Jason Goff
I have been. I've been so intrigued with people not being as awestrucked as. As I am. Like, you know, the. The Shohei Ohtani thing that's happening in baseball, like, for whatever reason, people have become, like, numb to the shit that he is doing. I feel like on the Wimby side, it's like, it's less people and these the tallest people in the world, and he is making them look silly. Like, these.
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Bomani Jones
Hitting them with this right here.
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Jason Goff
Everything, everything, everything. Like, pull up threes. Like, there's. There's no part of his game where you're like, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Seven foot six, guy shouldn't be able to dribble. No, he doing that. He doing that. He's taken off from the nail. The nail is where the most important defender usually has to be in the NBA. And he's like, guess what, guys? My arm. If I just read from the nail, I got a finger roll, right? Like, I am. I. I like we. We play around. Like, I don't know what it was to watch Jim Brow lacrosse field. You feel me? Like, I don't. I don't know the first time Wayne Gretzky hit ice as a kid where people like, no, this shouldn't be happening. That's how I feel when I watch Wimy, where I'm like, if he having a bad night, it's only gonna dictate if you gonna have a good night.
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Bomani Jones
Hey, John Henson. Went to Carolina, played with Milwaukee Bucks, few other cats. Love that guy. I haven't told John in a minute, but love that guy.
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Jason Goff
He said a tweet the other day
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Bomani Jones
where he said he has Harrison Barnes. How Victor was looking at us pickup runs during the summer. This is Harrison Barnes response. I'm gonna look up something right fast as I. As I prepare to give you. Give this to you. Harrison Barnes response. So John Hinton, when he asked him how he looked at the summer league runs, was I quote, like Wilt? See, Harrison Barnes is 33 years old, right?
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Jason Goff
Okay. And the reference is Wilt.
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Bomani Jones
He had to pull out is Wilt. Was Wilt. Explain something very important about Will as like ESPN and sports talk radio. And everything has come into the discussion about who are the best players. It's kind of like we wound up with this world where everybody had biggie and pockets. They top two MCs, where it was actually prior to this, a much richer discussion of who was there. And there are lots of criticisms to be made of Wilt Chamberlain and his quote, unquote, Will to win and all of that stuff, but it's a whole lot of bit of that time that is still like nobody was better than that dude. There's, there's no, no like the idea that anybody gets compared to Will. I watch that wilt Dr. Kevin Garnett produced on Showtime and the closest I saw to that was Giannis. But Wilt wasn't even doing this stuff that this cat is out here doing.
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Jason Goff
Nah, I, I, the, the, the Wim Bama thing is for me, if you, if you want to tell me that he is not only the best player in the league right now, but barring injury will be for the next 10 years. And on top of it we talking about some of the greatest talent. Like say what you want about basketball IQ, obviously guys are doing drill work. Not enough 5 on 5 is being played. You see it out there all the time where guys just don't know how to play with each other. But if you want to tell me that that cat against the dudes that he' against now with modified defenses and all the nerds in the front office saying this is where this person likes to shoot from. Keep him off of this. You can't keep him off of any spot on a night that he really want to find people. He's going to get you 6, 7 assists if you hit some shots. And then the gravity that he has, like the reason why a lot of these injuries we see happening around the NBA is because dudes start to pick and roll damn near half court. I got a straight shot, bullet speed downhill at you. This dude is doing those things. They have the gall to be running pick and roll where he's the ball handler. Like, like when I saw Demar Johnson in Cincinnati when he was 6, 9, 610 shooting two guard. I'm like oh, this is what they making like. And Demar Johnson bad crash, had the neck incident. Like never really took off the way that I thought his talent would block. But man that's 16. Like this dude being jump ball situation,
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Bomani Jones
it just solid
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Jason Goff
dog and got a winner jump shot back. Like when, when the whole, when Shaq said the thing about Bobo, I was like, why would you put like all this entire year where all these so called NFL people were putting Shador Sanders in a bad spot by just saying things that just shouldn't be said. Like let him work through it. Why would you ever say, you know what? I see the same skill set in bold bowl. Guess what fam. Guess who the responsibilities have been handed over to kick and roll. Top of the key pick and roll. He's. He's in the corner for a spot up three if you need him. Nothing is happening in the paint. People's two point percentages plummet. Not by three, four. We're talking 11 percentage points defensively. And you're an economist. You know when some changes. Minus 11. That is the Great Depression of offense in that paint. I don't think people. I don't understand what we watch.
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Bomani Jones
Imagine like what's the scouting report look like? Because like Gilbert is talking about this all the time. Like his thing about Iverson was he was the whole scouting report. Like there was no question about anybody else. The whole scout report was what we go do with Allen Iverson. So what is your scouting report about? When the spurs are on defense, head on swivel.
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Jason Goff
Yeah, that's it. That's it. And you can lie to your bigs like it's a lot of lies in the scout report. Like, do your work early. Beat them down the court and get physical with him. That man is two steps from half court to the rim. What are we talking about? Beat him early? These are mere more. These are the. When you see a 6, 8 basketball player walk into a restaurant, the presence that that person comes with is, you know, it's a thing, right? Them dudes walk in and you're like, oh, they don't make them like this. Right. It's the reason why Dustin Pedro winning an MVP in baseball is like, oh, it's the everyman sport. That dude could be. He could be, you know, he could be my electrician.
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Bomani Jones
Good for you.
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Jason Goff
A 6, 8 dude is looking at Victor Wima like, I don't know what to do with this. And that's the prototype in the league. Six eight wing, you get you some six, eight wings. You cooking with gas. Rui Hachimura is looking at victory when Binyama like, what? For what?
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Bomani Jones
For what?
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Jason Goff
What you want me to do? You want your hedge?
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Bomani Jones
You spend your whole off season working on up fakes.
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Jason Goff
Yeah.
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Bomani Jones
That's your only move is a head fake. That's what you do in this summer. Except this motherfucker don't even actually have to jump to pitch your shit. He just does that for the exercise.
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Jason Goff
Wait till he get mad.
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Bomani Jones
Like starting to happen.
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Jason Goff
But I'm talking about the bump your head in the playoffs mad because this don't happen this year. There's going to be some shit where, you know, somebody don't show up or he has a game where he ain't shooting well, it's going to be some weird game five where all these referendums come out. Victor was seven for 19 with only six blocks in it. And watch what I tell you. If that man went to go visit Monks when people was like, hey, man, you're a fashion icon. You're bringing back French basketball. Y' all going win the gold medal here soon. And you are going to be the face of the league where you're recreating what the audience in an NBA arena looks like to. To. To make it more adaptive to what happens overseas. Like, wait till he get pissed and have that Magic Johnson, you know. You know, tragic Johnson situation where you go cry for a couple of months and you come back on a rampage.
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Bomani Jones
Hold on, hold on, though. That was what the Olympics was last was in 24.
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Jason Goff
They used to taste.
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Bomani Jones
You know what? I think that's fair because he did the gravy taste. That one's going to bear fruit in four years. Terrifying. It's gonna be that red, white, and blue is cool, but that blue blonde rouge. Blue blonde, rouge is. Hey, you know how salty he gotta be.
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Jason Goff
Cooper Flagg. Who else? All these freshmen. That's.
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Bomani Jones
That's it gonna be on. Dude, Check gonna be on that team. And you know how he feel about Chad.
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Jason Goff
It's. No, there's nothing worse than when somebody got beef with you and you. You. Like, I don't. I don't want this. Like, why are we. Right. Why are we doing this? Right?
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Bomani Jones
I think. And I think. Hold on. Chet started when I got beef back. And then I think the futility of it has become clear.
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Jason Goff
Yeah, that's. Oh, no, no. I wasn't talking about, like, he didn't reply. I'm talking about the. The. The resignation. I mean, come on down.
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Bomani Jones
Yeah, yeah. That's what I'm saying.
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Jason Goff
Like, hey, there's somebody tougher than you at all times. Yeah.
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Bomani Jones
Well, what you got to remember is that Chet's older than him. So they've been playing against each other all these years. And what that means is at some point, there was a passing that took place. And so Chad probably was able to bully him at a point. And that point is over. And every. He got the whole squad hating chat. He hates Chet that much.
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Jason Goff
Hey, you know, this man, He.
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Bomani Jones
He out here going to hang out with the monks, chatting the videos with the backward hat and the. And the money sign on the chain. You know, he ain't about him.
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Jason Goff
That. That Oklahoma City run. And we talked about it a couple times during the finals where, like, that team. I don't know, and it's the old head Emmy, you know, tap my Bluetooth barbecue sandals, is wearing old head Emmy, right? I, I sat there, saw myself rooting for Ben Shepard and Benedict Matherin and Tyrese Haliburton. Like that Oklahoma City Thunder team, for some is an easy team to be like, you know what? Y' all cold as hell. But, you know, y. There's something. There's something there. Like y' all was them kids in high school, right? And. And Victor don't know nothing about any of y' all Americanized ways he here to kick y'. All. I knew, I knew hell was coming when a few World Cups ago, I saw Killian Mbappe for the first time and I was like, wait, when the French. When the French squad gonna come out here? I was like, oh, shout out to colonization.
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Bomani Jones
Yeah, France. France decided to start treating soccer like America did with basketball. Like you. You do you want. You want to see yourself or you want to see. See some, some, some G, I believe is the word.
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Jason Goff
But bunch of continents. Yeah, there we go.
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Bomani Jones
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Jason Goff
It's been such a weird story to track where we've been programmed and even with the words. Right. Like diva. And, you know, there's a lot of coded language when we talk about wide receivers and how far they are away from the line of scrimmage and how much. How dependent they are. The psychoanalysis of the wide receiver position, that every once in a while they say some things where it's like, oh, yeah, dumb the boys that's gonna say it, if anything. And sometimes you gotta listen. Problem I think that has occurred is one. Jalen, he's performed in some huge moments that have bought him enough of this space and enough of this room. And we still running around like, you know, half the quarterbacks in the league ain't black anymore. So anytime a brother is accosted, even if it's by another brother.
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Bomani Jones
But here's the thing. But the other brothers are more likely to accost the brother. That isn't. That. That is an important detail of this. But here's the thing, right? Yeah, but you. You tell me. You tell me if I'm tripping here. You're right. Jalen Hurts has performed in those moments. But I think we generally agree that he is the limiting factor of the offense, right? He was the limiting factor at two colleges. He is the limiting factor here with this offense. But he is an intractable. It's intractable situation with him, right? Like there's. He's. He's the quarterback, guys. He's the quarterback now. He's going to be the quarterback. And that is why A.J. brown is the problem for saying that the problem is the problem. And they can't quite solve the problem. So all they can do is try to get themselves some peace. The thing is, if they trade him, it's $43 million worth of dead money. All of that for me is to say he going, no goddamn. Where you gonna be right back there next year.
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Jason Goff
Yeah. And on top of all that, like, I think people, we're in a different time where wide receivers become more available and ready to play in the draft than they have in, I think, a long time. I remember the Days where like the Rod Gardner and Javon Walker and David Terrell and you're looking at guys who put up big numbers in college and you're like, all right, I don't know if this guy's going to be cold or not on the next level, because for whatever reason, certain things didn't translate. Now you got cats who are getting, like, running back status in terms of drafting, where it's like, oh, go get one fourth, fifth round. You know, puking the cool, cold, like, Cooper cup, had a terrific run out of Eastern Washington. I mean, yeah, you got anybody?
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Bomani Jones
The third round pick.
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Jason Goff
Right, right.
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Bomani Jones
Antonio Brown, seventh round pick.
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Jason Goff
Right. So I think, I think they, they might be thinking too, you know, put a little pressure on you to shut up. We can move you and, and go do whatever we need to do if we have to go get a wide receiver of less repute.
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Bomani Jones
But they, they, they about to be eating no $43 million.
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Jason Goff
They can't. They can't. And also, if you, A.J. like this, this shows you how committed and in a real valiant way, to me, this shows you how committed he is and how much I think he truly wants to win. He just thinks, hey, and he's right. Give me the ball. We gonna win more. If he was quiet about this, right? If he didn't say anything like, say, this year he goes on a full, you know, I'm going to abstain from saying anything about the offense and they perform the same way. Won't it be as loud now that you've already set this ground? You know what I mean? Now that you done opened up a couple of books on the sideline, which still to me is the wildest shit. In certain sections, being that passive aggressive you're gonna have to knuckle up. But the fact that he is A.J. brown in an Eagles locker room and nobody did it show you how tough that truly is. The fact that A.J. brown has already laid this groundwork. Right? And even in the, the quotes like Devonte Smith don't get a lot of this because he's seen as the quiet one.
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Bomani Jones
He was saying the same stuff.
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Jason Goff
Yeah, yeah. So now everybody can back off and be like, all right, let's go do it. Go play as hard as you have been playing. But if you need a running back to run for 2,000 yards for this offense to work, that's letting you know something.
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Bomani Jones
Right? But see, that also is why the idea of Moving off from A.J. brown is a problem, because the rest of those cats know that the problem is not saying something about the problem. Right.
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Jason Goff
How does the problem get better then?
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Bomani Jones
Yeah, I don't. I don't have an answer for that. But if you start running people out for saying that the problem is the problem, and everybody else knows that the problem is the problem, now your problem is going to be that these other cats now have even more of a problem with the problem, because telling the truth has now become the problem, and you can't never have a circumstance. We're telling the truth is the problem.
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Jason Goff
Well, welcome to this season of America. Yo, so this is the thing, too, with all this that's going. All the noise that go around, that situation with Nick Sirianni and the start that he's had to his career, where it's like, look at the wins and losses, and look how we disrespect this entire situation. AJ around, you know, the. The terrific group of receivers. I think Jalen hurts sometimes, gets to ride on the. You know, I'm smooth, Your girl want me. I'm a wholesome man. The way that these dudes talk and the way AJ like aj, the dude who pipe up seemingly like, hey, y'. All. Y' all know how. Y' all know how it gets down behind closed doors in here. I ain't gonna be the only one that look crazy like, you know, Jaylen, you get $200 million, you moving and shaking behind the scenes. Like, the dude is a. Is the son of a coach. He knows what pressure points to push behind the scenes. So he ain't got. That's why anybody that come to you that way, as calmly as he does in the face of chaos or storm is like, I've only known dope dealers to behave this way, to be honest with you, where it's like, it's all good. And you're like, oh, no, it ain't all good. Something is happening in the background right now.
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Bomani Jones
So, like, where I would be hot I. If I was AJ and again, another place where I have been before. There's nothing worse. When you the only one. The only one saying was wrong, and everybody leaving you out there right when you. When you do it, they be like, yeah, dog. Yeah. We needed that. Somebody had to say that. And you'd be like, hey, man, I can't be the one that do this all the time, man. Cause otherwise, they go. Otherwise, I'm gonna become the problem if y' all don't get a little louder.
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Jason Goff
And I don't want to be the problem. I'm not.
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Bomani Jones
Right? Right. And so maybe the problem is AJ Brown just Too good at it, because he'd be using books and stuff like that. But somebody else. Somebody else got to come out here and stand with me.
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Jason Goff
Hey, man, you just made me think of a moment. Do you remember? You probably don't. Tyreek Evans for the Sacramento Kings. Back in the day after United center, the bulls were up 27 or something like that, and Tyreek Evans went on one of those tears where it. Oh, my God, this is name I
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Bomani Jones
haven't thought of in so long. By the way.
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Jason Goff
It was. It was so amazing to watch that display of shot making and the dude just being the best cat on the floor in his second year. We all get back to the media room, Bo, and everybody. And this is after Vinnie had had a tough, tough run of it, and everybody's talking about it, and everybody's like, oh, Vinnie Deal. Vinnie Del Negro, man. Everybody's like, that's. That's a game. You get fired. That. Like, that's. That's one of them things. Why my dumb. Right there in the media room, and it's like, yo, are you worried about your job security? And the entire room record scratch. They all look at me like, I can't believe you asked that. I'm like, wait a minute. We was all just talking about this. We was all, they. And then, you know, the worst thing in the media group like that is everybody asking the. The question, hey, so what was the substitution pattern? And what do you think? Like, they. They started to fluff it up on, man. Do you know Vinnie walked out that joint jump and. And dat me up and was like, I know what's happening. I understand that was a bad game. It's like sometimes the problem just needs to be addressed, and if the problem has any accountability that let you know. They'll let you know. It feels like A.J. brown knows that Jalen Hurts is hearing the problem be addressed, and their problem has not been addressed in the background. Like, it feels like a cat who, like, hey, man, you know, I know what I'm not doing out there. You know what I'm not doing out there. You feel me? Let's keep this smooth. Let's get this paper ready. Break. It doesn't feel like that conversation has happened with this crew. That's why AJ Just keep popping up. You know what? Until the conversation happens, I'm just gonna let y' all know what should be going down here.
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Bomani Jones
Remember when they tried to act like they had had a summit, and it turned out that they just talked to the parking lot right quick?
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Jason Goff
Hey, hey. Everybody hit the self starter on the car. I got two minutes, gang. I gotta go pick somebody up. What we doing here? Hey, man, the offense ain't running this smoothly. I, I, it sound like a plan. All right, cool. Everybody go. Man, I think that worked out. Like, that's one of the means where you. Where you're like, that went well. That went well. Right? And then you find out your ass is gonna be in Jacksonville next year, because nobody thinks that Jalen Hurts is the one to go against, against, and, you know, Amen. Heavy is the head to wear is the crown. Like, he's been in big situations his entire life, and people have been like, you know, and he's. He survived, you know, I mean, I don't shout out to Philadelphia because this is the end of a run, and they doing it with that defense like, they are that defense that those Georgia dudes are sitting on the other side. Like, that's the other thing, too. In that locker room, at some point, one of them Georgia boys is gonna be like, I'm used to more points being scored. Like, I'm. I'm used. I'm used to. I'm used to. Jalen Carter's gonna wake up like, you know what? I don't like the fact that my wide receiver is constantly calling out my offense, and I can't do it. You know, at some point, it's gotta happen.
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Bomani Jones
Hey, man, before we get outta here, I don't know if you've seen this. It's from the combine, man. Motherfuckers be doing their radio shows and shit from the Combine. Now.
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Jason Goff
That is crazy.
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Bomani Jones
Crazy. But you get great guests. I hadn't really thought about that. Right? It's. And everybody at the Combine, I've never been there, but they've really been looking forward to the car by this. Sound like a sausage party to me. But them cats, like, that's. That's. That's. They time to catch up with all the homies and, you know, anyway, it's
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Jason Goff
a different kind of hanging out, right?
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Bomani Jones
Yeah. Okay. Oh, yeah, yeah. I think we've talked about two Americans
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Jason Goff
kind of hanging out.
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Bomani Jones
Yeah. Two Americas in a city with one restaurant. And if you're from Indianapolis, I'm sure you got more than one restaurant. It's just only one restaurant that any of us have heard of. Anyway. Andrew Barry, general manager of the Browns, is up there and said that they gonna have a quarterback competition this year coming. It's gonna be Deshawn Watson. It's gonna be Dylan Gabriel. It's gonna be Shadua Sanders, I don't know who else they gonna throw into the mix. And I've seen people like, I don't, I don't feel like quarterback competition is the right way to put it. Like, in theory it will be a competition, but the bottom line is the idea that those are your three guys and you really don't have an answer. Like, it, the, the fact that it's possible that any of them can start is terrible. Like, like all those guys have a chance.
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Jason Goff
That's if I'm Arch Manning, I'm like, yo, can I go play college basketball? Like, can I get drafted in the NBA and then come back and get some eligibility? Cause it's, it's, it's a tough situation, man. I don't, you know, I'm not in these waters anymore. I'm not in the club of a fan base who doesn't have a quarterback. You feel me? Like, here we go, here we go. I'm not, you know, here, here in Chicago, we don't, we don't have these kind of poverty conversations about quarterbacks anymore. You feel me? Not an 18 is running around doing podcasts where he talking like, you know, Jesus himself, that Max Crosby podcast, where I'm like, hey, this dude, this man is talking like, like Michael Jordan in football pants. But nah, man, I, that Shador, you know, everything that's been put on him and also the things that he has accepted. He seems like a swell young dude. Like he trying to make his way to social media world that has corrupted all the young folk, you know what I mean? And then you got desean who, you know, his, his superpower seemingly came from being, you know what I mean? Like, you think about the wild that he was engaging in and what we was watching when he was engaging in that like, that dude that he, Samson is, is real, you know.
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Bomani Jones
You know, my thought on him is it's hard to traffic in this world when you've been exposed to be a fraud. Like knowing that everybody can see through you and you supposed to be making, and you supposed to be making split second decisions. You know what I'm saying?
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Jason Goff
Yeah. And then the Dylan Gabriel thing, like, you know, I, There are certain, there are certain quarterback rooms where, you know, you're just looking for the next guy. And that is one of those rooms. Nobody's coming from that. And I know people want it because I think Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield got a lot of people twisted where, where it's. Now you can just go out and get some redemption story at the Quarterback position and be okay, like, like, like dudes out here, long relievers after Tommy John or something like that. Like the league tell you they give you a amount of data on a player and that player then grows with that data. Now this ain't. This ain't that. Like that room is short, slow and nasty. You know what I mean? If I was describing a quarterback room, I wouldn't want those to be the three modifiers that I go with. You know what I'm saying? Like one dude is five, nine, right?
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Bomani Jones
You're never like. And that whole August, they gonna be talking that up, boy. They gonna be like. At least in local and as if it matters. Like Andrew Barry basically said, so what? What's the point? Dominique was making the point that worst case scenario for the Browns is that Deshaun Watson on nasty ass get out there and start killing it. And now you got to resign him. And I'm like, no, that'd be the best thing that ever happened to you. That's the worst trade of all time. Trade plus the contract guaranteed it is the worst transaction any team has made. And then he went and suffered a debilitating injury after he'd already had the acl. Yeah, yeah, that he had ACL in
- [51:21]
Jason Goff
college, dude, I remember. So when I was in Atlanta, they brought him to 92. 9 the game. And I, you know, I wasn't at that time hip on not only just, just the impact of recruiting day in the south, but also how 17 year olds can be treated like little kings. And I saw him come through quiet, you know, understated dude. And the photographer is sitting there and he's just cheesing and he's just snapping pictures and I'm like, this is a. This is a big deal for you, huh? Like, I'm trying to figure. And he tells me who he is and then he tells me, I'm a Clemson fan. This dude is going to win me. And he said, me, win me a national championship. I was like, oh, this must be one of the gods of this thing. Like this shorty is that. And then you watch what he was doing at Clemson and you're like, okay, this is awesome. Like Steve McNair like this.
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Bomani Jones
He's the closest to the Vince Young comp.
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Jason Goff
Tough as hell too, getting his ass beat in some of those football games. So for all that to just dissipate with injury and scandal and all those things, man, if he go out there and get any of that back, I'm not saying any of that stuff should be overlooked and Will be overlooked because we know it's gonna him forever. But, yeah, the Browns, the brown. At this point, Miles Garrett just sitting there like, give me anything, gang. Like, I'm clean. I'm clean as a whistle. Like, my. My girl winning gold medals and shit. Like, I'm good money. Just put something over there that's gonna help me out.
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Bomani Jones
Miles Garrett pulled up to super bowl meet Radio Row last year asking for a trade, and they was like, how about some money? He was like, oh, that'll work too.
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Jason Goff
That'll do it. That'll do it. Is that. Is that old Les Miles? Like, hey, man, you notice they. You know they hiring over here, right? Oh, Damn. Not another 11 million. Cool. I guess, are you right? They say nothing on the other side, no conversations been had, but you just give up. No, you're right.
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Bomani Jones
He just told us. There. There is a. And look, I'm not mad at him for it, just to be clear at all. But there's a price he's willing to. There's a price he's willing to pay to lose.
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Jason Goff
Hey, listen, man, when I saw Mario Williams go to Buffalo happily, you know what I'm saying? Like. Like Mario Williams, like, hey, man, this is it. You said 90. What? You know what I mean? You know how. You know how old I am, you know. You know who you're giving this money to, right? And that's the dude who's just, hey, fishing, hanging out, you know, Houston, like. But now, dog, if. If I'm gonna get my brains beat in on a weekly basis and be the coldest, like, bar none, at my. At. At my position in my sport. Yeah, just give me the bread, man. You know?
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Bomani Jones
Yeah. Like, Miles Garrett is gonna be like. If it was back in the day, like, you know, his NFL Films episode gonna be crazy, right? Like, he gonna be in there in the same video with LT Right? In the same video with Reggie, you know, like the cutting edge or whatever they want to call it or whatever, he be that cat right over there, and he's just like, hey, man, he's got. All I could. All I can be assured of is getting this bread.
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Jason Goff
That's it.
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Bomani Jones
That's it. Did you see. Did you see that pod he did the other day with Michael Parsons? First of all, that Michael Parsons a handful. He is a handful. And found himself in an unexpected battle of wits. And he was not prepared under armed. Yeah.
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Jason Goff
Yeah.
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Bomani Jones
He did not. He didn't have the. The artillery that was necessary because Miles Garrett was just firing his ass. Hey, look, Michael Parsons Stone Cold beast. But his explanations for why he's different than Miles Garrett fell completely flat in every way. And Miles Garrett was answering him about those things. Like he wasn't Miles Garrett. Like, he was answering him just like. Just an objective observer.
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Jason Goff
This is the thing. Nobody that cold would be this anonymous in any other sport because we've known for a long time. This dude paints, this dude loves writing, poetry, anime cat. Anime.
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Bomani Jones
Yeah.
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Jason Goff
When the Mason Rudolph popped off, immediately he was like, oh, no, no, he said something. Because this dude, he has the. The physical stature to. To murder people at any time, any, Any place he wants to, and would rather be putting together, you know, collages.
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Bomani Jones
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Jason Goff
I remember when I first saw him in texting him. No, no, you should be the first pick. And then like, Jason, he's a sophomore. I'm like, I. He should be the first pick in the draft. Like it's those dudes come along. So for him to, To. To be as understated as he is and then get on a couch with a dude. First of all, if you. Michael Parsons, like, sometimes you just got to know. Like he said, it's still my time. Sometimes you just got to know. I didn't finish the season because I was injured. My team lost our bitter rival in one of the more painful fashions in forever. And now I got to talk crazy. Nah, man, you gotta keep it moving.
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Bomani Jones
He just broke the sax record.
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Jason Goff
That's what I'm saying. You gotta.
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Bomani Jones
Some.
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Jason Goff
Some battles like the MCs who don't respond that, that, that, that be looking to work like this TI50 thing.
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Bomani Jones
Yeah, yeah, respond. Hey, man, sometimes you have to recognize, even if it's not just overall, even if it's just in this moment, right? I got into something once on the radio with Jay Billis, and it was when Ben Howling was at the end of his time at ucla and. And Dan kind of, I think, brought it up and I made some point, and I don't think I was being a dick about it. But I will tell you this. For whatever reason, and I don't know what the reason is, this was a very serious topic for Jay Billis. And it did not take very long for me to recognize that this was not a winning proposition for me, nor was it a victory I was that concerned with. And I was just like, hey man, I gotta get. I gotta tap out of this. I can try to fight this if I want to. That's only gonna make it worse. Cause Jay, let me tell you, man, Jay is a formidable opponent.
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Jason Goff
All right, yeah.
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Bomani Jones
Like. And I just remember at some point, Jay said, bomani, do you have anything else? I was just kind of like, nah, man, you got it. And I remember I was talking to Dan after. I was like, yo, he got me, right? And Dan's like, well, he was being a dick. I'm like, nah, man, that's not the point.
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Commercial Narrator
Point.
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Bomani Jones
He got it. Like, that's it. That's it. I didn't win this time.
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Jason Goff
I have.
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Bomani Jones
I have to. I have to accept the fact that I did not win this one. Michael Parsons was losing and just kept. You know what? He's kept doing his. He was. He was putting his shot up, and Victor just kept pitching it, but he just kept on shooting it. And at no point did he think, man, maybe I should just dribble this out or let the shot clock run out.
- [58:10]
Jason Goff
You know, maybe it's time for somebody else. Maybe it's time for somebody. There's strength in that understanding, standing right as. As men, you know, we all been around to do. Who, like, hey, man, you. You're not making this better for anybody around us. Like, we were on the dude who. Who always got the. The craziest thing to say or the. The hottest take and then don't have anything to back it up and want to keep going in. You just. Hey, man, you know, sometimes you just want to back above that thing, let it breathe a little bit. You know what I mean? And you look like the cat who's like, hey, man, you know what? I know when to concede. Knowing when to concede is powerful.
- [58:45]
Bomani Jones
Also powerful. Turning an L into a W in one of these contexts takes more time than the Internet allows. You're gonna need to deconstruct this whole thing, strip it all the way down to the bottom, and then perhaps bring yourself back up to the top eight like your regular audience by adhering.
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Jason Goff
Okay, Mike. And coming back with a. With a PowerPoint of double teams.
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Bomani Jones
Yeah, it's gonna take. Wow. Are you going to need to, like, let that shit go on for so long that you can slightly divert the topic? And we're actually no longer talking about what we was talking about before, but it's some shit that you write about.
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Jason Goff
Yeah, yeah. And. And, you know, you got to know your opponent, too. Like, you know, the way that you comport yourself and the way that he comports himself.
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Bomani Jones
Yeah. In this case, I think it was a little less about knowing your opponent than it was about knowing thyself. I used to see C.J. stroud used to cook his ass, too.
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Jason Goff
Yeah, yeah. Speaking of. Speaking of that, I don't think that play. You talk. We talked about wimby earlier. I don't think that playoff performance got nearly enough like you talk about the. The microwave society that we live in. Social media is amazing. But back in the day, back in my day when things were allowed to cook a little bit, it. You know, four deceptions in the first half of a playoff game wouldn't just have been a blip on the radar.
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Bomani Jones
No, no, no. It was bad, man. It was really bad. It was. It was. And we was talking about it real bad when it happened, but the truth is, they ain't nothing they can do about it right now. You know, like, there's just. And it was coming off the game before when he was also terrible. They just. There's no solution to this. He was. We were talking about him like the best rookie quarterback we'd ever seen team. There is no solution. And so, yeah, we could talk about it, but, like, if he played for the Cowboy, if he played for a team that had a national following, we would talk about it. But otherwise it's like, okay, what they not going to do is extend him right now. Right. He gonna have to play another year. And he. He should want to play another year before he gets that extension. Get his name back. They gonna give him right now. It ain't gonna be what he had been dreaming of.
- [61:03]
Jason Goff
Yeah, it's crazy to me how, like, we are getting to that place now where. Because it's copycat league in the NFL, where people are thinking, how bad of a quarterback can I win the super bowl with, you know, and how that might affect the draft. Like this draft. I remember going to college football season last year, how it was supposed to be four or five dudes, it was supposed to be first rounders and all of them shit. The band scene, seemingly.
- [61:29]
Bomani Jones
That's right.
- [61:29]
Jason Goff
And Fernando Mendoza and Ty Simpson rose to the top. And now he's having conversations about how small Ty Simpson is and Fernando Mendoza.
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Bomani Jones
You don't want to be out. You don't want to be out in these streets trying to find one.
- [61:42]
Jason Goff
Yeah.
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Bomani Jones
I mean, the Texans had to draft the dude that got into a heated argument with the offensive coordinator on the visit.
- [61:50]
Jason Goff
Yeah, yeah.
- [61:51]
Bomani Jones
Like, my understanding is that he went into that draft knowing the one place he wouldn't be going was Houston. Houston, Houston.
- [61:58]
Jason Goff
So he let him know.
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Bomani Jones
Yeah. And then they was like, hey, man, we can't afford to be letting that little shit like that get in the way, you know? Like, nah, like, this is. Look, he's who they've got. We gonna see what it turns into. But I don't know how bad he'd have to play, man.
- [62:15]
Jason Goff
That Houston thing, too, there's some PTSD with that too, because for all those years that they was kind of cold, too, with Andre John, like Matt Schaub, it was always that wild card weekend where Matt Schaub and Andy Dalton was going to be facing off that first playoff game, the postseason, right? Like, now you're in that, that affect of, okay, the, the second tier of AFC quarterbacks and how it's kind of being reshuffled and, you know, people don't like Justin Herbert, C.J. stroud has that, that kind of performance. Like, it's a, it's, it's a weird world, like I keep mentioning, man. Like I keep saying, you know, this last year of quarterback comfort that I've been experiencing as a Bears fan. I'm not, I'm not having these squalor filled conversations with all of y' all quarterback brokies out here, here. You feel me?
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Bomani Jones
You know what it is, though? Like, and it's, it's an interesting thing. Nobody really talk about, you know, those of us who are fans of the NFC north, man, with the exception of the Vikings, we just, yeah, we just. Overall, it's, we all feel pretty good about where we at. I keep forgetting you, the Vikings got a quarterback situation, but, like, I still feel good about where I'm at. I'm happy that you now feel good about where your squad is at. You know what I'm saying?
- [63:24]
Jason Goff
Hey, hey, going into this season, NFC north, if you had to rank those quarterbacks, I, I know who, who, I know who be at the bottom, but
- [63:32]
Bomani Jones
I know who's at 4.
- [63:33]
Jason Goff
Yeah, we know who's at 4, but
- [63:35]
Bomani Jones
hey, man, I feel pretty confident. Like, I think we're pretty clear on who's at 4 and who's at 1. I mean, I know you don't feel this way about one, but I think one is pretty obvious.
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Jason Goff
Do you think it's Jordan?
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Bomani Jones
Yes. Do you.
- [63:49]
Jason Goff
He got enough. He got enough Roethlisberger in him, man. He got enough.
- [63:52]
Bomani Jones
But I'd rather have him than Jared Goff. Yo. Kim Folk. And right now I'd rather have him.
- [63:58]
Jason Goff
Hey, listen, all I know is we. Hey, quarterback. Spoke about what didn't happen on the final play with DJ Moore and treated him like a professional. First thing smoking at the, at the combine, Ryan Pose is like, hey, listen, we are here to upgrade our Team when he was asked about DJ Moore. That man is getting wide receivers cut, you hear me? Like, there's. There's moving and shaking going on at Hallis hall because the man was painted mad. Tails is coming down and he's coming down. Hey, got their old colors, you know. Hey, we can run down and get one, or we can walk down and get them all. Slow walk. We had to get mad Eber flutes off our jacket. But we right, we ready to rock now, baby. You know what I mean? Yeah. You talking about some Jordan Love. He got wide receivers who can't stay healthy, can't catch the ball. You got a big hat dude. The only. There's no dude in the NFL running around with a big hat. That's used respect none.
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Bomani Jones
No, I ain't gonna lie. I ain't gonna lie. I said about that.
- [64:56]
Jason Goff
That.
- [64:57]
Bomani Jones
That left guard for the Patriots. I'm like, yo, man, that big. That, that, that.
- [65:00]
Jason Goff
The big hat.
- [65:01]
Bomani Jones
Yeah, the big. The big hat is. The big hat is making you a target. That's it. That's it.
- [65:07]
Jason Goff
Like, they need a big hat. Breakout. Like when I do just go crazy like Jackson, Smith and Jig, but need to wear the big hat and have a 1800 yard season so it could. It's kind of like when Tony Cuco Roger came over, he's like, hey, you know these European cast, they kind of saw, like, nah, they've been. They've been having the slingshots for a long time over there. Like, don't. You know what I mean? Don't. Don't sleep on their toughness. But you had to see it. You needed proof of concept. There needs to be a big hat. Proof of concept guy Romeo Dobbs ain't gonna be that dude for me.
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Bomani Jones
I'm sorry, Miles.
- [65:39]
Jason Goff
Gary gotta get the big head. Yeah. One of the cold ones gotta get the big hat. One of the cold ones gotta be that enthused about protecting their brain that they take the stigma up off of it. That's all. That's all it is. You feel me? Like back in the days when you see the cat with the duct tape tail, right? Like, you know, you. Yeah, Houston, you know, Dallas. There's some. There's some. Some interesting, you know, hair combinations and haircuts, right? I used to see the cat with the ducktail back in the day. I'm like, you know what? The first time I see one of those dudes pull that off without somebody making a mention of his ducktail in a. In a derogatory way is when I, you know. Think it's okay. The big hat is the same way for me. I'm cool. I'm cool. We ain't got no big head dudes on the Bears. And if we do, Roshan Johnson, Texas running back.
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Jason Goff
Back up to Bijan Robinson. That's backup behavior with that big hat. Kidding me.
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It's.
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Jason Goff
It's football. I need. I need regular hat dudes out there.
- [66:34]
Bomani Jones
And that is Jason Goff. Check him out at the Reiner. Check out at the Athletic. My brother, I appreciate you.
- [66:42]
Jason Goff
Hey, man, we gotta get together soon. We gotta get the fellas together, you know, and hit Joel up, you know, and hit Dominique up, you know, get Kravitz, get Brumley out here. We gotta. We gotta go on a world tour.
- [66:54]
Bomani Jones
A.
- [66:55]
Jason Goff
A domestic world tour. I know you going on literal world tours. A domestic world tour for us that got little ones.
- [67:01]
Bomani Jones
Yeah, we'll give. We'll try to give Joel enough time to. To get. To get himself free. We can see what happens, man. But ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us here on the Right Time. We do this four days a week. Ryan Brumley handed everything behind the scenes. Thank you, sir. Remember, hit the voicemail line. 323-59-67767. Remember, follow the right time. Subscribe like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are. Hey, later. We'll talk to you guys in a couple of days. Take it easy.
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