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The Right Time with Bomani Jones
Jason Goff on Sherrone Moore Absurdity, Phillip Rivers Starting Again, NFL's Quarterback problem | 12.16
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Foreign. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Right Time, a Wave original. My name is Bomani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. It's this time of week. We have a guest join us. Check him out at Ranger. Check him out at the Athletic. Jason Golf Chicago Zone. What's going on, big dog?
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Oh, man. Good. Feeling good. Feeling good. How you doing, man? Everything. Everything decent your way. I know you know, you're on the trip every time I talk to you, so I want to make sure I've.
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Been local for a little while, but I'm scheming on another one, man. I'm a holla at you. You just had a small child, so you can't make the run, man. But I got. I got one I'm trying to figure out how to make. But all y' all people with, like, responsible lifestyles, y', all, you know, you know, I'll go if. I mean, if I must do it myself, I must do it myself.
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B
But see, I don't. I don't go a lot of places for vacation, and I don't ask or I don't, you know, confer with my significant other in that way. And then I'll just bring something up and she'll be like, oh, yeah, yeah, go, right? So it doesn't occur to me to be like, oh, yeah, I'm going every time people going, because that's not the case. But I also don't. I don't check in as much as I should. I'll probably be able to. I'll probably be able to swing something.
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Let me know. Yeah, I like nature. I'm into the nature joints now. So, like, that's the thing. I gotta be, hey, man, you know, you might want to bring some boots. You know what I'm saying?
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B
Like, oh, listen, well, I'm in the Arctic right now, brother. So I got everything that I might need. I got the expedition coat. Like, let me know. Let me know.
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Yeah, man, I will holla at you. But in the meantime, tween time, we got a lot of stuff that we gonna get to feel like. People. People. Still hot on this Roll Moore story. Did I see a picture of the Internet of him walking around with the wife and the kids? Like, he got really famous really fast and not for coaching Michigan.
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I don't know what is to be expected going forward because.
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Did I call him Jerome Moore. In my head, I felt like I.
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Said, no, I know. Yeah, I know the Brown. I know. Listen, I was doing Sharon Wright, former Clemson center, for, like, a good two weeks. Not a week, but like two weeks.
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A
Yeah, about 10 days at that age now, man. I saw the people in the comments. That's like, yo, you like my granddaddy? No, no, no. That happens well before granddad, right? I'm just like, I'm just your pops. You know what I'm saying? But, yes, every now and then, it's gonna happen. But you know who I'm talking about.
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B
Exactly. So don't be a jerk. You feel me? Like, don't point it out in that way. Like I was saying, I don't know what to expect, because at every turn, I didn't expect what was happening right at first, I was like, this is just one. Because this is the thing. I hadn't gotten got by a parody account in damn near a decade, right? And I don't repost and do all that stuff as much as back in the day because there's so much less trustworthy information out there. I sent it to the group chat, and you were like, yo, that. I was like, thank God, because I haven't had that experience. It's so like, like, every turn, I was like, this ain't real. And then that would be real. And then I'm like, this can't be real. And then that's not real, and then the next thing is real. I don't know what to expect from going forward. To be honest with you.
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A
I have never seen people fall for it more than they were on this story. And I'm not really saying this as a judgment, right, because the thing when. As they call it, espanol in a case, see, when a Keys changed the. The blue check to mean nothing, it got real tough. And so it's all. But people's brains still take the blue check as meaning something.
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I actually read the bio and got got.
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Yeah, that's in. The bios are just enough. And the other party is we are at the age now where it's new generations coming in the game, and it's people that we don't necessarily know, right? You know, so you got to look a little closer. But now it was wild stories coming with the Cheryl Moore autumn. And now people was. People was just getting got left and right. So many people were sitting, like, again, friends of this program, right, Were sending me different bogus joints about him. And the problem was, while the things that were being alleged were crazy, the actual story seemed like something from a parody account, too.
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B
Yeah. Yeah, that's what it was. I mean, to have that job at that age and to screw it up the way somebody at a D3 school would be the town idiot for. Right? Like somebody. Somebody at some, you know, college in upper Wisconsin. If you walking around campus with this on your jacket, oh, yeah, we laughing at you for the next decade. Plus, we actually gonna make rules because of you. Now, the issue. Hey, man, you ain't got no buddies in the coaching fraternity game. Like, at some point, you talk about game being handed down. At some point, game gets handed down. And I'm be real with you. There is nobody who I think is more about football to not follow the blueprint on. If you're gonna act like this is Jim Harbaugh gang, like, he didn't have somebody who was in front of him who was probably wilding out like that. Jim is. You know, Jim is football, glasses of milk and family, and that's it. So you didn't even have a player above you that you could be like, okay, this is how you play it, right?
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Like, that is real talk. That is real talk. Yeah. You asked Jim Harbaugh for some advice on that. Jim Harbaugh's advice is, have you thought about being faithful to your wife? Focus, motherfucker.
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B
And also, before your wife, football might be more important, too. So. So don't mess up the foot. That's what I always.
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I'm always. Hold on, hold on. No. Oh, no. Okay. I was about to say I did the math wrong. Well, no, no, no. He served on Charlie Strong's staff. Come on. Could have got some game from that one. Although he wound up in a very precarious situation that implied that his. His. His pimping wasn't nearly as tight as it needed to be either.
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B
Well, we've been around a lot of people in this industry and in this profession, and whether it be athletes or coaches, let's face it, man, like, a lot of people get that kind of attention because of what they are.
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Yes.
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We know people who got to get it out the mud because of who they are and how they present themselves and how many situations they can see from afar and what kind of instincts that you have honed over the years of, you know, parking lot pimping or understanding that this ain't how this goes, or, you know what? I didn't become more handsome. You know, that kind of vibe. Like, you. You know, like, you know, the dudes who you like. All right, cool. You gonna get caught up by somebody who is not gonna be wearing clear heels because they met you. And you know, the cats who can stand clear of it, like, I know, I know too many that, that, that succumb to this kind of behavior and then are really sloppy about it. And then on top of it, you know, breaking in like that, it's just this is. But hold on.
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So let's. Before we get to the break in part, and I'm saying, again, I think he's going to. I think he's going to spend some time at the, at the, the Michigan State Hotel, right? Like. Like, we'll. We'll get to that. But before that, he didn't get caught up. Like, he got extorted, right? Like, he did not like the way, kind of the ways we describing. That's not the way that he got caught up. He got caught up misunderstanding that like, they're going to fire you as soon as they can. Like, I think that is the thing. I think that we have reached a different point with black coaching, by and large, where a. Like, he can get the job, okay? But across the board, not just for black people, patience is thinner than it has ever been, right? In this nil era and all of this stuff we see, I mean, we seeing cats get fired in the middle of September, you know what I mean? Like, the patience is thinner for everybody, which means the patience is really fit for you, okay? And so his thing is, you know, Adam Schefter, this was wild, but Adam Schefter got on TV immediately after it happened. It was like Sharon Moore saying that the people were out to get him, and it made it seem like he was paranoid. And then we saw the report that said that for whatever reason, that woman just decided to call up and let him know she had, in fact, been having an affair with him. That sounds like I. I would think that they were trying to get me under those same exact circumstances. And what you can't do is make it easy for them.
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How many black coaches from the times that we were kids had a variance in what kind of personality type they could be, right? Like, as a kid, I knew that Art Shell was the black head coach in the NFL. And that's how you had to go about things, right? Even here in Chicago, Lovey Smith. A certain temperament, a certain demeanor. So that's why when Herm Edwards is out here screaming, screaming at white folks in press conferences and having a sense of humor and doing all these things, like, there's always had to be this understated, very Serious. I'm only about football. Like, it can't be no black Lane Kiffin. Right.
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Even in basketball, which one of them got jokes, right? Because, like, you had like, the. The Nolan Richardson, John Thompson archetype, right? And that was a fairly intense brother. Right, right. You know, like Nola Richards kind of brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which, by the way, is a precarious, like, role to try to take because it does look like Nolan got a sense of humor on his own time. But not at work. That would know. I can't. Can't get any white folks an itch. No, sir.
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And. And what you have to do is, if you're gonna scare the white folks and talk to them crazy is be great.
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Right.
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You can't just be no Reg.
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Yeah. But this raised an interesting question I hadn't thought about, because we're saying that, like, you had to have that personality to be the black coach. Isn't that you had to have that personality to be the black coach or that being the black coach will get you that personality. You will be perpetually on guard and stern because you cannot show them weakness. First time you tell a joke now they gonna have you out here dancing. Right? You know, like, perhaps it's that or.
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You just gotta be Mike Tomlin and get hired by a place, you know, on your own merit, obviously, but h. By a place that you gonna be at for 20 years.
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But he's the same personality as these other guys that we've been discussing. He was like that when he was 33, whoever was, when he got the job. Now, old boy Fran Brown up there at Syracuse, he the first full on black weirdo that I think that we've ever been allowed to have. Deion Sanders obviously is of a different. A whole different world. But Fran Brown, that the one that say that he don't shower after losses because only winners get to wash. And we figured out that his woman was black, but he was like, my wife say I can't come home after.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a certain intensity with Fran that is entertaining, but like, like 6% scary for me. Whereas, like, if. If it's time to hang out with Fran, I hope he's like, hey, he's not intense enough to hang out with me. And it makes it easy for me to go the other way. Like, yeah, there's. There's never been a. There's never really been a, you know, a Rex or Buddy Ryan type of black fella that was allowed to run one of these franchises, not to mention in college football. Where the town it is wrapped around that football team, right? Like Ann Arbor is the University of Michigan and vice versa. Like Marcus Freeman right now in Notre Dame. You sitting there like, hey, man, he smiling. He looked good on camera. Got. Got enough wins out here. He using the Beijing in a way where, you know, the white folk can't pick up on it. Like, there's. There's a certain. Certain archetype of brother that you must be to go forward. And yeah, I'm looking forward to the days where the black Lane Kiffin can. Can be hired.
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I ain't gonna lie, though. I kind of can't believe that Marcus Freeman has gotten as far as he has in this. Okay, so you remember just how polarizing Cam Newton was. Auburn. Cam Newton, right.
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Yeah.
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And, you know, there's a number of different reasons why this might. Why that may have been the case. But ESPN did a 30 for 30, which really was more of a like 2020, but it was a 30 for 30 about the Auburn Alabama rivalry. And they had a couple in there that was a man who was an Alabama fan and a woman who was an Auburn fan. And this was made, I want to say, like 2012, 2013, whatever, right? So the Cam Newton situation is still fresh. And they got them two sitting on the couch, the married couple, and they looking at something on the screen, and Cam Newton came on that screen, and I looked at the way that she jumped up and she started clapping her hands, and I looked at that man, and I was like, oh, levels. Levels are at play here. And I'm just saying that if it was a documentary about the Notre Dame, USC rivalry and she was the Notre Dame woman and he was the USC dude, and Marcus Freeman jumped up on the screen, she would pop up clapping her hands the exact same way, and that white man will be over there looking at it the exact, exact same level of salt. You understand what I'm saying? And so I'm a little surprised that.
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That Willingham ain't do that too. Yeah, yeah.
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Like, I'm surprised that they is okay with it. I also want to throw something else out there. I've been seeing people talking about Marcus Freeman and his Beijing. And for those of you who don't know, that man put so much shoe polish in his hairline, like, it's a. Like he's. He. His shit like a weave in the sense that you have to acknowledge that he's not trying to fool anybody. You understand what I'm saying? Like, this is. He just. He just. He wants to wear hair and in order for him to wear hair, he has to do the cheating on the front end. And people are making the argument that why don't he just come on home? Like me and you, we live in, we live in similar lives. You know what I'm saying? I was about to say, you know, you, your hat is like a shark's fin right now. Like they ain't realized.
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You know, you, you know I'm not hat fishing. Don't do that.
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No, no, I think you have fishing. But ll cool. You just ll Cool Jaying right now. Right? Like you got your hat. This is what it is. Right. But you and I are both fortunate enough that we possess the proper symmetry, shape, volumetrics, however you want to put it, to allow us to do this. Let me tell you something, man. Marcus Freeman, like LeBron, he don't have a head that worked for this. Like, that's why he's had to go through all the things he's had. Because going bald is just. It's not the same play for everybody. You out this looking like Soda Popinsky or your shit look like in the cartoons when they be like one lump or two and they hit you on the head twice and your joint right. Oh, Scotty. Young people don't know about this moment. This is an all time moment. The 1994 All Star Game. Scottie Pippen showed up with two things. One that doesn't jump out so much anymore, which is those crazy red shoes, red flights. Yeah, but like now you just wear any old color. But at the time it was wild. But the other part was Scotty decided to shave his head and it looked like somebody had snatched him by the top of the head and was just go all over his head. Like there's no way he could have done it with a razor because there's no way he wouldn't have bled to death because he had fake. He. You know the pack of hot dogs that the fat dudes be having in the back. He had it.
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He had it on the top of his head. Yeah.
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Shape like Shane Badier. Whole nother world from Shane Battier.
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Oh, Shane's, yeah. Shane's was. Sainz was a little sketch.
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But the point with Scotty, but that's how wavy Scotty's. Scotty. Scotty had waves and no hair is what we're saying.
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See, the, the thing I, I do get with Marcus Freeman is it's a lot of people who still ain't on though. Like we're on, right. We understand the game and how he's playing It. But to have kind of like the wave nouveau vibe and the curl and the Beijing, that's just diabolical work where you just looking at him like, I. I know that somebody's behind that curtain wizard, and I got to find out.
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Who it truly is. I think it's Richard Prior. But the. The. The problem that he has, though, man, he can't. If he go bald, you know what? He got to change his whole ste up. Like, if he go bald, he got to start walking around with no shirt on and some black hammer pants and be out here looking like the bad guy in a Bruce L movie. You.
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You.
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You know, like, look, I'm just telling you, look at the shape of his head. If he were to shave his head with the rest of the features that.
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He got, he's a full force backup dancer.
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Yeah, he looked like. He looked like a boss. And not a Bruce Lee movie, a Bruce lie movie, he would be that guy. Now, please understand this. The ladies are hearing that like, well, I think you might want to give it a try, right? But for him, he doesn't have what you need. He doesn't have the essentials for going bald. So instead, he just putting that kiwi on there.
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B
That's why when you get to a certain age and it's time to do this, you know, you got to do it in a way where, like, we can't guess about if you had the procedure done right? Like, you gotta be like, you know what? I'm on the way out. Just jump out. I never forget. Never ever forget. A buddy of mine was walking behind me, and we had a pack of girls with, this is long, long, long, long, long time ago. He was walking behind me. I'm just making sure he was walking behind me. And we walk into a day party, and the man says, hey, man, you kind of going thin up top, ain't you? And I was like, you know what? And it's. And it's. When I returned from Chicago, returned from Atlanta to Chicago, I'm like, you know what? Yeah, it's time. And I had been doing it throughout my life or whatever, you know, I. I remember Sam Mitchell, he and I sitting in an Atlanta radio studio, and he was like, you know, the procedure don't cost too much. And I was like, you know what? Y' all ain't just gonna be recommending that this should happen in this manner. Let me just go ahead. But the maintenance is an issue. But I am glad that I have the proper circumference in the Matrix to make sure you look at it.
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Did you see? Did you see? TI got caught with the hat off?
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He did? Yeah, yeah. It's over. It's over.
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This was TI's problem with that. Is TI what? He listed five nine in the media. A self reported five nine, right? I think that's, that's what. He's a five nine with the heart of a six fold. Right? Like, I think he's. He's a self reported 5 9. I don't. He strikes me as the type of gentleman that would take it very personally if I did not give him the 5 9.
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Yeah, no, no, for sure. I've actually been around ti in those same Atlanta studios. I'm. I'm picking up what you're putting down.
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I'm giving him his five nine. I'm just saying.
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100.
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Kevin Durant been getting away with the yarmulke for a very long time. Because that yarmulke is seven feet off the ground. Right? When you five nine. Yeah, you gotta keep the hat on. Like, this is. This is what's required. Like, I saw people who had all them jokes on TI and see this, the trick bag. Like, y' all wanna wear these. Y' all wanna be old, but wear these long hairstyles. That's not, that's not compatible after a certain point. Like, that's not.
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Once you hit, Once you hit that Jerry Rice point in your life where it's like, there's no reason to have braids or cornrows or like, I don't have to do this. I'm one of the greatest of all time. If TI came out tomorrow but bald and just stop wearing hats and be like, yo, that man. He had been in trap music. Like, I'm not going. You know, I'm here. I'm here.
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Jerry Rice had a cul de sac and cornrows at the same time. And my white homie Kirk in California said that having braids and a bald spot is the black man's com over. And that was real talk, man. Like, nobody has ever held on to youth more than Jerry Rice. In fact, you watch that commercial they did with all the. All those hall of Famers acting like they old with a Randy Moss and Dan Marino and Smith. The only one that didn't really make it seem like. Only thing, I think Jerry Rice acted like the ball. Like it was. No, that was Randy Moss who was like, wow, that pass was hard. Jerry Rice was not giving anybody the satisfaction of thinking that Jerry Rice is old.
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No, he's. He's still on That I. I will beat you in a press man coverage type of vibe. Like, there's certain guys who ain't gonna never turn that off.
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Let's go run up that H now. Right now, Right now, right now, right now. Jerry Rice is just waiting on that call. Jerry Rice on that. Philip Rivers just waiting on that call.
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Well, listen, that. That Philip Rivers, you know, people talk.
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About he gonna start again next week. And again, if I'm Riley Leonard, how do you like if a regular job you would quit.
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You feel terrible. And also on top of all this is if you're on that defense or if you're Jonathan Taylor, it's like, wait a minute. You. You mean to tell me in the Indianapolis Colts franchise history that, you know, Peyton Manning was. Was a blip in terms of. I've been here for the Burt Jones years, right? Like in the history of this franchise, you think there's going to be moments where we gonna capitalize on having somebody else's throwaway, take him to an 8 and 4 record, and all of a sudden say, you know what, all this development, all this, you know, evaluation, all this that we've been talking about here with these players, at least for the last two, three years. Let's see if a dude who is on a high school football field with a headset. With a headset want to come out here and do this, man. Like, come on, dog.
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Come on.
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It was. It was. It was. You know, the Jeff Saturday thing blew my mind a few years ago.
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But why you say was? It ain't no was. It's still going on. Like they're. They're. I can't believe any of them are willing to risk this for another week to give this a try. My buddy Nick has made a point, and we were talking about this over the weekend, and he made the point quickly, and he was just like these coaches and their systems and their inability, like the. Nothing matters more than the idea that you know how to run my system and that my system can crack any code that you have. And look, that starts with Bill Walsh. Bill Walsh is the first. Just do what I say. Everything is built in. You don't even need to call audibles, right? Everything you need is right here. If you just do what I say, everything will be okay.
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And shout out to Lawrence Taylor for making that happen, by the way. Right?
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Lawrence Taylor made people. That's the difference between Lawrence Taylor and all these other cats and why I still say he is the number one. Lawrence Taylor made them invent stuff.
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Yeah. West coast offense to A spot because he going to be here at some point.
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How about this? The H back.
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Oh, yeah.
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Invented to stop Lawrence Taylor. We don't. As football has been established in this day and time, we. There's nothing that we can do about this. We have to change things around here.
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You know what, man? I needed this kind of conversation because I was thinking about it this morning how, like, my fandom has changed. And, you know, this weekend I was in Los Angeles and the Heisman ceremony had happened. And I remember there was a time where as a kid, it was event television. Like, I am. I am about to learn things about three dudes who I kind of been watching, and hopefully the two dudes I have been watching and rooting for gonna get this thing. Like, I remember having arguments about Larry Fitzgerald's year or Christian McCaffrey. Like, I think Christian McCaffrey's Heisman was the last one where I was, like, tapped into, like, who really should win and why they should win. And. And all these, like, not just nostalgic conversations, but, like, the regular conversations that we had. I think the whole social media part, we were talking about what's happening with the parody accounts. Man, there are so many interactions that I just don't have in this business anymore that. That the fan in me still wants to have that have, like, just moved total departments, like, the Heisman ceremony out of my entire thinking. And I know it's because we're getting older. I know, you know, families and life and all these other things. But, man, like, I'm sitting there. I'm sitting there watching people have this. Should Shador have won the Heisman two years ago because of what Fernando Mendoza conversation. I'm like, this ain't it. Like, this is. This ain't what I used to talk about when the Heisman was important for me, right? But, yeah, man, it's. It's. I. I'm glad these kind of conversations still exist because, boy, they. You know, it is a cesspool out there. Like, I watch, I watch, I watch. Go ahead, Go ahead.
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No, I was gonna say I ain't really cared about the Heisman this year, right? Like, I. I don't.
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When's the last time you did, though? Like, when's the last time you were tapped in? Like, I think Marshall Falk is by far the greatest player in all of college football, and because he's a freshman, he ain't gonna win it. This is crazy.
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That is a. You know, if you put the years in front of me right, I could probably talk about It a little bit more, but like, yeah, it doesn't jump off the top of my head like it did. But I will say this. I'm assuming they don't allow you to do nil deals for alcohol companies because if they did, they would have been sponsored by Modelo.
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It would have put a full flex.
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We got Mendoza, we got Diego, we got the boy Rodriguez from Texas Tech. And it would have been great for Modelo. I think I've talked about this on the air, but like in order to get a Modelo commercial, Tony Gonzalez had to be. Tony Gonzalez had to be Anderson Paak to get in a Modelo commercial. They call a Roberto Garza, a NFL, a Hispanic legend. In the Modelo commercial. They got some woman they say is a DJ that used to be five zero Addison Pack is the coldest musician of his generation. That's what he had to do to get a Modelo commercial. Now they can put these cats in the Modelo commercials who deserve to be in a Modelo commercial, right? Who, who are living up to the standards that everybody has to be. Shout out to you, Francisco. Shout out to you Diego. Shout out to you Jacob. You know what I'm saying? Like Modelo could have really run it over here.
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Yo, it's, it's like the Chris Rock joke where he goes, I'm cold as and you know, lives next door to me, a dentist. This ain't create teeth. Like, that's, that's what it is.
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That's how the Model commercials be filling. But I don't, I don't feel like we made enough of a big deal about this. Like, this really was a great year for Latino football players. Like this is the, we had the, the generation of football integration. But now like we seeing all the Nigerian cats, for example, they really starting to get in and make their mark in playing football. Look, I grew up in Texas, man. It just really wasn't that many cold Mexicans out here getting it done. I don't have an explanation. I'm not implying anything that is about genetics or anything else, but in a state that's got a whole. That's the thing about Texas. Texas got a lot of people. Texas got a lot of Mexicans. And the Mexicans were not really playing high level football like that. But hey, if the game is changing also, by the way, I know these cats at least aren't all Mexican. I know that Francisco Mendoza is not Mexican. Just, just, just so you know, I'm not letting the Houston slip out and.
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Just assume that everybody, everyone is a Mexican.
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However, Jacob Rodriguez, at Texas Tech, you are Mexican until proven otherwise. And if I'm wrong, I'm just wrong.
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But Roger, good deal. Would love to hear you say shit like that because, man, you talk how long this sport has been trying to make itself more popular to everyone else outside the people who already love it and know it.
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Man.
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Like, I remember watching all them bad NFL Europe games and, and all the other things. And now you, you going over, over the big pond 4, 5, 6, 7 times a year and you know, getting the game out to people. There was, and it seemed like there had been movements, right? Like you had the, the, the, the. The. Was it Pacific Islander, Asian American kind of, you know, the, the. The dude, the, the.
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The.
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The. The. All the cats who had the. The Vita versus Architect, you know, archetype. Yeah. Like now you mentioned the Nigerian homies are running this thing. Like, I don't know, I don't know where as we cut more and more the middle class of like actual participants of sports. I don't know where the next wave is coming from because I know it ain't out in the bay with all the tech kids. Like, where do you think, where do you think is going next then if that's the case?
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That's a good question. Right, right.
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Like, because you can have stardom in a way that the NFL offers that really no other sport does. Right? Like basketball wise, you can look at greats who got introduced to basketball and how it happened. Like the fact that Joel Embiid is a part of the NBA African movement the way he is and has won an MVP and is an amazing player. Like, basketball is a world worldwide sport in a different way. Right. Soccer, we already know the vibes, but with football, there's like so many opportunities. You got all these rugby dudes coming over here like, hey man, there's a 53 man spot. I can find one of those jobs.
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Right? Let me tell you what I just thought about also while you was talking about that. Like the aapi, right? Like Asian American, Pacific Islanders, man, all of us who are not white, we just begin. We just be clustering up, dog. Like we just gotta, we just gotta put together a squad. Like, I hadn't really thought about it until you were talking right there. Like, brother, that is a broad classification. Latino is a broadclass. Black is a broad classification. There's a whole lot of people in that tent that don't like each other. You know what I'm saying?
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You're gonna get the FBA and the Adoles people involved.
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We got power numbers, right. We just all got to hold it together. But you, when you started talking about Pacific Islanders right there, I was just thinking about that, like, what do they. And they got to do with one another? And it's, we need these numbers, dog.
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Yeah. And they spinning and they providing resources. Right? Like the natural resources that the sport needs. It's right there for you.
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I also imagine clicking up on that. There was some of the Pacific Islanders that was like, look, we got to go join up with them because otherwise they gonna think that we down with.
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You know, that over there.
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Look, I mean, I'm just. I would love to go to the barbershop that two will go to in Hawaii. I want to see what's on the wall in there.
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Listen, if you ever want to find out, truly find out what happens, especially like in Major League Baseball where how guys get indoctrinated to the game and all that other stuff. Oh, all they do is, hey, look, you can, you know, shout out to Fernando Tatis Jr. He got the dreads, he got the swag, he wears the clothes and all that. But hey, top step, when that anthem come on, you know what I'm saying? I know you've seen the dwindling numbers around here.
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Don't.
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Don't get caught up in a life too much. So, you know, they don't. Don't get. Don't get it twisted. You know what I mean? We. There's a very. There's a covering that. That is necessary and also telling you how to succeed.
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Yeah.
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People. People find out quick, like, hey, we should be more over here with us because at some point there's going to be a maddening at them. You know what I mean? Yes, yes. Yeah, yeah. Top step of that dugout, homeboy. You can get the rap lyrics off on the walk up song if you want to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I even. I said you did the solutions now. I saw one of the Broncos doing the Mile High salute the other day. I'm like, think of where we've come since 2016. Yo, man, we had to put in racism in the, in the, in the end zones and all these other things. And now we back to the Mile High I salute.
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So wild. The only people still talking about it is the NFL, right? They. @ least they still. Look, they took in racism off, but it still take all of us. You know what I'm saying? They still. It still choose love, change. Yeah. They the only one still doing that stuff. Everybody else, like the police never stopped killing us. Just to be clear. They never took a break, all.
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Right?
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It. They did not. They kept on going and everybody just got bored. He got bored. It was hot anymore.
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Right? Tired of it. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. When I saw Burner Boy at the Salt Lake City All Star performance, I was like, oh, yeah, you cats, you jaws and Zions of the world, get your shit together. There is a wave that is coming, okay? The Lakers, the Lakers are showtime in white right now, okay? Like Giannis has the world on tilt built. Okay? Like, hey, just take a look around at the landscape and who they are looking around saying, hey, we got a lot more basketball players who are playing a fast paced style, sharing the ball, not talking shit. This is turning into hockey on hardwood in a way that I don't think people are very aware of. Just look at the basketball teams, man. Just look at, look at what's happening right.
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Now. It's different. Super.
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Different. It's super.
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Different. It's different. But coming up next, speaking of different, do the Bears have a squad and a coach and. Oh, okay, I already know where he gonna go on this quarterback discussion, but we'll see. Coming up next. As we approach the new year, it's never too early to take control of your health. Like, what habits can you start today? AG1 is one of the easiest daily health habits that you can start even before the new year. But what is AG1? AG1 is the daily health drink that combines your multivitamin, pre and probiotics, superfoods and antioxidants into one simple green scoop. It's one of the easiest things you can do to support your body every day. AG1 Next Gen contains more vitamins and minerals than ever before and is clinically shown to fill common nutrient gaps. AG1 can help you stay proactive while traveling, working long hours, or managing a busy family schedule schedule. If you use my link, you'll get the newest formula and best price available for AG1 next gen. Right now, AG1 has their best offer ever. If you head to drinkag1.com bomani you'll get the welcome kit, a morning person hat, a bottle of vitamin D3 plus K2, a AG1 flavor sampler, and you'll get to try their new sleep supplement, AGZ for free, which has been a game changer for my nightly routine. That's drinkag1.com bomani for $126 in free gifts for new subscribers. All right, we're back. It's Jason Goff. Hey, man, it was like a degree in Chicago on Sunday. Yes. And I Had already decided that. There was only. I haven't talked about how Shador played in that game. I watched, but so much it looked like his boys dropped a couple passes. That would have made things better, but it was like a degree. Right. It's his third or fourth start, whatever it was. I was not. There was only so much I was going to say about him based on the performance, unless he was excellent. Right. It just didn't feel like that would be fair. But Caleb Williams, meanwhile, was excellent against a defense that we've all thought of as being pretty good. Like with Miles Garrett out there on the field. Do you have the.
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Guy? Yes. Yes. And there was a recalibration of the expectation maybe I'd say halfway through this assignment here with the 30 some odd starts where it's like, okay, if he's smoking these layups this consistently, then maybe it's that second tier, top of the second tier guy that in the NFL you can win with.
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Obviously.
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Right? Look what's happening around the league like this is. This is a. A hodgepodge of NFL quarterbacks who are really winning out here over these last couple of years. But, man, there are the plays, brother, where you've seen as a Bears fan for years, the Hawk chopped that.
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Down. This is the first time that I've used that. We've used the Hawk in a football context, but that is the most appropriate use of the Hawk ever. Because we are talking about not the feeling of the Hawk, but the function of the.
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Hawk. Man, that wind off that lake with that degree telling you now, it was the difference in the game in a large way for me in Shador and Caleb. I've seen Steve Stentstrom and Craig Krenzel and baseball players, Chad Hutchinson. I've seen that shit knock passes down and it have to, you know, make a. A passing game very, very elementary, right? To intermediate sometime. Kyle Long talked about it as well. He talked about how when he was a Kansas City chief, he asked the coordinator, yo, what's happening here? Because the is crazy out here. The weather's going wild. And then the coordinator say, yeah, we got 15. We ain't got to worry about that. That's the same kind of vibe that Caleb has given off. Even in last season when they won, they lost 10 games in a row. They lost 10 in a row. But against the Detroit Lions, indoors, a real defense, he brought him back. It was time management. And this year he's come back in games where it's like, you know what we're used to seeing those type of Bears games lost. And the only thing that holds you back is that there will be moments where you can see that he's counting steps instead of dancing with the offense and not just letting that rip, but when he lets it rip. Like, there are certain plays. The Zakiyas touchdown the week before against the packers where it's like, that shouldn't happen. Colston Loveland has become a dude who stays on his feet while catching the ball. Co Command has had that issue. Issue falling down. And he's. He's hurt right now, so hopefully he. He won't be out for too long. But, man, the dude puts the ball in places that only five or six dudes in the NFL can. And that hasn't been the case for Bears football for so long. Like, every 20 years, I get a good Bears team to enjoy. Right. Whether it's 85,05 and now 25. But even with those, you've watched it with Rex GROSSMAN and Jim McMahon and the Cat who had this kind of arm. Nobody really. I won't say nobody, but people didn't really rock with the way that they should.
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Have. The way they should have. That is interesting because he's just Jay. You talk about Jay, I'm.
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Assuming. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I don't make it easy. I know, I know he doesn't. I know he doesn't. But I've also seen people put things aside for assholes when it's time to win in this sense.
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City. But that tells me just how much of a jerk that people thought that Jay was. Right. Like, white dude with the super cold arm. And people were still like, yeah. In fact, I feel like his brothers took up for Jay more than anybody.
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Else. Yes, they did. Yes, they did. I. I still talk to 05 members of that 05 team. And Jay in. In a way that, you know, this city wasn't prepared for was like the first glance at what a star quarterback's activity. And I think in that room, in that locker room and in that organization, you hadn't had to have one of those. Like, we're also. Right now, this city is learning how to deal with a star. Like, deal with a quarterback who is everybody's and not just.
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Yours.
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Right? Like, Brian Erlacher was the star of that team. And when you put another dude who is supposed to be the star, a bigger star than you in that locker room who also has the attitude of, like, it really don't matter, you know, will get through this because he's been solely relying on his talent Then there's that friction there with this situation. Caleb Williams is, he is. He has a certain amount of deference, but it's understanding that if I make them believe that they're more important than me, I know I'm gonna get my off because I know how cold I am, right? He was asked about the throw at the back of the end zone where it could have been intercepted twice, and DJ Moore goes up and gets it. And, you know, a lot of people around these parts are making the connections to Joe Montana, Dwight Clark's the catch. I'm like, hey, slow down. This is, this is being ridiculous. But it looks similar because two people should have been accepted it. He got asked about it being a risky throw and he goes, I can make that.
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Throw.
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Right? You haven't had a person who talked like that and can actually do that in this city in forever. So that's why I think not only is he that dude, I think, you know, I think before long, and it might be by the end of this year, it might be middle of next year. I think before long, he's going to be the undoubtedly best quarterback in this division because Jordan Love, you know, there's a lot of double agents in his.
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Game. Yeah, I hear you, boy. Being undoubtedly better than Jordan Love is going to be asking for a.
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Lot. I think he will be. Look at Jordan in the playoffs. Look at Jordan when they get cold. Like, there's a different, it's a different vibe. This is different to me. I'm looking forward to, like, this is the first time they've played each other. The packers played the bears twice in three weeks in like 30 some odd years. Something crazy like that. Like, it doesn't happen like this. And for it to have so much on the line, man, I think Caleb Williams is a dude who, you know who. I've seen it at multiple stops and this is just the next one. You know, seeing Jordan, I didn't watch Utah State games, and what I've watched from Jordan Love as a pro has been excellent. But when that light go out, there's a different demeanor back there with him. After tough plays, after tough drives, after tough halves, Jordan Love is a guy who I, I, I will, I will put behind Caleb Williams when it comes to perseverance. I.
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Will. That is, that's.
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Interesting. I.
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Will. We're gonna see because you see.
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What Caleb had to deal with last year and came out.
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Okay. I think you make fair points. Like, I, I am high on Jordan.
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Love. That's how I.
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Am. Caleb, though, also shout out to big brain Ben. Big brain Ben is getting it done. Like this is. They're getting. I feel like they doing a lot, getting a lot of coaches wins with this team. Right? Like the point differential does not indicate that this team is necessarily that great, but they're getting it done. And when Caleb wasn't that great, they were still finding ways to get it.
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Done. Big Ben heavy on the coach. Big Ben not only has been doing a good job, but talent evaluation man, like Air b enemy got DeAndre Swift running a lot different than he has the last two years. Al Harris turned Nishan Wright into a Pro bowl player after being at a couple of different stops with him on the practice squad and him saying, yo, I got a dude. You give him a chance, you know? The Bears have been without two of their top three or four defenders for most of the season. Kyler Gordon has played what, one or two games. Jalen Johnson is back and is one of the best corners in the game. But this year he don't look like that because his, his, his muscle ripped off his adductor and he out here playing football. Like the things that Al Harris and Eric Biennami and Antoine Randall, like Ben Johnson learned some things from Dan Campbell which is, hey man, you, you open up this coaching pool and I mean really open it up and give it to cats who not only deserve it, but motivate people in a way that certain cats can't. Yeah, man, Al Harris created, I mean, Nishan Wright is, is doing a great job on his own and should get personal personally rewarded, but he is about to get financially rewarded because Al Harris said this guy should be on the field if we get a chance. This dude's got the most turnovers forced in all of the NFL and they're doing this without a pass rush too. Like there's so many, there's so many cracks and flaws in this team that the fact that the quarterback is playing the way he is, the fact that the coach is coaching the way he is, it is, it is, it is something to see. I thought this was maybe a seven or eight win team this year. This team might end up 12 and five. Man. In an NFL where you see so many teams not take advantage of things where it's like, man, this, you know, Jacksonville is out here running rough shot on people because they taking advantage of, you know, the, the, the, the, the football that, that Kansas City has, has played over the last few years, that, the fact that, that Baltimore is down, like Cincinnati's a mess. Like there's certain teams that just jump up and take advantage. And you gotta. You gotta be impressed with the coaching staffs. And that's what Ben Johnson and this staff has done with this Bears.
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Team. I think the B enemy point is worth noting. It ain't really looked the same over there in Kansas City since he left, Right? Maybe he's not a head coach, but he was somebody over there. You know what I mean?
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Like. Like, I can't. He was. You know what I think it is when you have a certain amount of success. Like, I asked. I asked this of. I was talking to Scott Hansen from the NFL Red Zone is doing a feature piece on him, and I asked him, like, are you a great show guy? And immediately he goes to me, no, no, no. And I. And it was like a kindred spirit, because I hate the people who say, great show after every show. It's like, no, we gotta. We got to be more aware of our modifiers, our descriptors out here. Like, you know, when it feel great, you know, when you grinding through something. I feel like the Kansas City Chiefs have been grinding through something for the last couple of years, right? And, you know, it feels great, but you ain't got nobody to be like, hey, this ain't great enough. Like, I don't know if Matt Nagy's that guy, right? Andy Reid, he's been coaching for so long that you can ask, if you put a bunch of people in the room and ask who's doing their job the best, how many hands gonna go up before you think Andy Reid can go up this last couple of years? So Eric B. Enemy and some of these other guys who ain't scared to make it a little uncomfortable. You need those cats, especially when it comes to, you know, bumps in the road like you. You don't need them when everybody flying high and you getting ready to pop champagne. But when ain't right, and. And nobody is acting like it ain't right. Like, Chris Jones had to be explained to that they was out of playoff contention in the post game. Yeah. Like he said, we still got a fighting chance. And the reporter's like, hey, no.
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No, no, no, my.
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Man. This was it. This was it, player, you.
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Know?
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Yeah. So, yeah, certain dudes, professional discomfort is necessary. Everybody need a truth. The source Wreck. Shout out to Carl Everett back in the day in that White Sox clubhouse who made everything uncomfortable at all times.
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Right? Well, hold on, though. Hold on, though, though. Did he call himself the Truthasaurus Rex? Carl Everett? Cause, you know, he don't think dinosaurs existed.
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Existed. No he didn't. A local cat, Joe Cowley, who was covering the team at the time, called him that because I think he was making the play on the fact that.
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Carl. Yeah, I'm just checking, Just checking.
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Carl wasn't with that nonsense. Yeah.
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Yeah. Now, now staying in your division, something that I think is getting a little play but not quite enough play is it's been a lot coming out of Minnesota about JJ McCarthy and the people who feel like they did something wrong because they didn't keep Sam Darnold. I think that that's a stupid argument. Like they drafted McCarthy, that was their guy and Darnold came apart at the end of last season. He will probably come apart at the end of some other season. Like if they bet on the wrong horse, that's fine. But they made the decision, that decision was made when they drafted J.J. mcCarthy. Period. Right. Yeah, he has not been that good this year, but we've heard stuff about like he's got his own quarterback coach who teaches him stuff completely different than the NFL team seems to be teaching him. He has been good in fourth quarters at points, but I mean, he's not looked good very much when I've watched him. But they won this game on Sunday night against the Cowboys and he did a gritty into the end zone and his head coach was furious. Right, his head coach was furious with him a couple weeks ago or maybe the week before where they huddled when it was time to kneel it out because he almost messed that up. Then they get in the post game and o' Connell is talking about, he's talking about how he doesn't like the fact that the dude did the gritty into the end zone. And by the way, for everybody needs to understand, he could have done the centipede into the end zone. Nobody was anywhere near him. He could have done whatever he wanted. And the coach is still furious about this. And then said something that's jumped out to me where he said something about, yeah, you know, he can move. He always talks about that 40 yard dash that he didn't have to run. And I'm like, oh my God. They're taking notes on everything that they don't like that you've done and said. And they springing this up in front of other people. They can't stand.
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Him. Yeah, they don't rock with him in a way. That's so weird. Right? Like when you see this, I guess it's not weird, but when you see this, you start to think who pulled the trigger on decisions. When it comes to drafting and evaluation. This is, this is what happens when, like, area scouts stand on tables and go, hey, we shouldn't do this, or we should do this, and you're talking to that person every chance you possibly can get. Or when somebody's got the owner's ear, when somebody's got the GM's ear, it doesn't feel like Koc feels like this is the, the route that they should continue to go. And I'm interested because I've actually gone back and tried to read and listen to. Because I'm. I'm on this, too. What Sean McVeigh was saying about Jared Goff at the end of the run, where you knew this was going to be the case, or you know what things have said about Jimmy Garoppolo. Like, there' There are people who look at quarterbacks and go, if this works, then somebody is going to be a genius. But then you look at guys and go, this, this shouldn't be attempted, right? Like drafting JJ McCarthy in the first round. Like, when I saw it, I thought the, the mock drafts were saying, I'm like, all right, this is where somebody's going to obviously be wrong. And then it was moving up and up. And then you start to get to that top 11, top 12 spot. I'm like, hey, man, are we forgetting what these are supposed to feel and look like? Yeah, just because you're so starved for it.
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Right? But, but, but they were in the a. Is that system stuff, right? Like, he. Look, if you're. If the, the platonic ideal for your system is Kirk Cousins. Guys, guys, think about this, right? But it's the same as the Falcons trading up to take Pinnocks. Go look at the quarterbacks that came in the, in the league this year, right? It ain't here, right? Look at next year. Don't see him, right? Like, Arch Manning is not going to be in that draft. Our guy, Nate Tyson, people have been on his neck about this. He said, if you watch the film, Arch Manning is the number one guy to come out in this draft. I have not watched that much of late Arch in the course of this season, but I still feel confident saying even if he is, if, even if he's been good, if he's number one, this, this class ain't really hitting on nothing, right? So, like, how long. Look at the Steelers. The Steelers have been in that situation where it's been like, hey, ain't been no dude for us to take, so we haven't really taken the guy. And now we've Seen what the results have been for them not having the quarterback. So what do you do? And I think the Vikings just looked and were like, all right, we think we've got a guy who could run the system. The problem is they got him and they don't like him. It's not even about how good he is. They don't like.
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Them. So now we've, we get to that redemptive story arc where, you know, you always see those NBA teams who go, hey, somebody's got to score points on this team until we get ourselves a star. Right? Like you mentioned Sam Darnold. Are we going to start looking at quarterbacks? Like, hey, like how pitching coaches looked at relievers, right? Where it's like, hey, after that, Tommy John, hey, I'm gonna call you in about a year and a half and I know your elbow is going to be where it's supposed to be and maybe even better. Like, do we, do we look at Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold and all these, all these guys. Does it speak to not only the, the, the, the way quarterbacks are developed or lack thereof, but also how, how we should be timing out? You know, these, these coaching hires too? Like how many coaches get hired where they have to go through one year with a quarterback they just don't rock.
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With.
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Right. And then to do it, do it again with a, with a rookie. I don't know. I don't know where. I don't know where this, this, this market is going to settle at. Where. Who are the quarterbacks that you believe in in a way that you, you believed in Aaron Rodgers and the way that, like Jo. Right. Patrick Mahomes. But these are now the, the senior dudes, right? Dak Prescott are the senior cats. Like how many dudes in year six? We're still questioning Trevor.
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Lawrence.
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He. I was told he was the can't miss. This is what a quarterback should look.
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Like. Appears to be beginning, by the.
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Way, if last week.
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Was. And granted they were playing against air. Right. They were playing against the jets. But like, we are. But no, you're right. So let's think about this.
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Right? So do you have to hold on to coaches longer?
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Right. Well, I'm asking you this. Let's make 2019 the cutoff, as in you entered the league in.
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B
2019.
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Okay. Okay. I'm looking at the list of teams now and it was going to go through quarterbacks and I would do my best on remembering who's who. Right. But Tua is 2020 draft. We don't feel Good about him. Right. Drake may. As of this moment we do. Right. Justin Fields got splinters in his keister. They put them on the oak Jackson dart. He keeps getting his egg scrambled, number one. But number two, I'm not as sold as other people. Anyway, I give him an incomplete.
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B
Right. I think that's gonna be like a Jeff Garcia kind of career arc where it's like there's gonna be five years where it looks crazy, but you're gonna, there's gonna be too much rough and tumble football going on for you to.
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Sustain. Jalen hurts. We don't know what to.
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Do. We still.
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Don'T. Right. We just, I think I don't even need to talk about it. Right. We all, Everybody knows what it is or they don't. And that's the point. Jaden Daniels, we're gonna have to see if he can stay healthy.
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Right? We mentioned this before we had this conversation. Was it coming into this year and Commander's fans still on my ass about him, like, hey man, he's lighting the ass. He swallowed in Ryan Tannehill. And Ryan Tannehill was getting broken up in the NFL.
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Yeah. Joe Burrow sounds like he doesn't want to do this anymore for them. He.
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Sounds, we all, we all.
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Know. Remember when we said that when he got drafted and people were getting mad at us and we're like, bruh, y' all must be young. You might not want to play there, right? And he, he, he looked so bad. Oh, he looked bad in the game and sad in the presser. And that is a terrible.
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Side. And all that swag on a losing ass team in.
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Cincinnati. All of it. All of it. Now your division got all the post 2019s. You got Caleb Williams, you got Jordan Love and you got J.J. mcCarthy. I think we've run through all of those guys. C.J. stroud, I still feel good.
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About. Yeah, I think, I think there's going to be a long span of time where he is, you know, top tier, top, top, second tier.
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Dude. Yes. A guy who could win an mvp, like in the way Matt Ryan won an mvp. You know what I mean? Like, yeah. I mean, Matthew Stafford, two time Pro Bowler Matthew Stafford is probably going to win an MVP this year and get to his third Pro Bowl. People act like, I hate on Stafford when I compare him to Carson Palmer, but I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. Comparing three time Pro Bowler Carson Palmer to two time Pro Bowler Matthew Stafford does not feel that all the talent in the world played for teams that you thought Weren't that good for a stretch. So for the so on, anyway, I'm belaboring the point. Daniel Jones is a 2019, and he's still Daniel Jones, and he tore his Achilles. Carson Palmer. Not Carson Palmer. Jacksonville. Trevor Lawrence. It's getting there. Cam Ward. I mean, bless his heart, man. I don't even know what to say. Good luck, Michael. Michael Penix. Even before another injury, I was not sold. Bryce Young. I am not sold. Tyler Shuck. I am not sold. Bo Nix looked great on Sunday. I am not.
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Sold. Me neither. I can't. I can't. Yeah, yeah. The Bo Nicks thing is like, Bo Nick's gonna mess around and win a Super Bowl. I'll be like, you know what? Do it.
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Again. You know.
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Like. Like Eli Manning, right? Where it's like, you know what? Hey, do it.
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Again. Matter of fact, I need a third one. I need a third one from him. You need a third Justin Herbert. Still not.
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Sold. See, that's the guy that I am higher on than most people that I hear talk. Like I heard. I hear Nick Wright talk about Justin Herbert and. And it makes me. It's hilarious because you think that he has out for him and he's got some salient points, but I just see Justin Herbert and I'm like, that should be. That. That. That.
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Has. No, should be. Should be. Should be. Also part of it with Justin Herbert is, you know, our boy Parko is a big Justin Herbert guy, and therefore Nick is a little obligated.
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To. Yeah.
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Yeah. Division, you know, all that Kyler Murray, they're done with that at the car Cardinals. I'll be very curious to see where he turns up. If I'm the Steelers, I take him. If I am the Giants, I. Anybody that doesn't have a quarterback, you could do a lot worse than.
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Kyle. How long the Steelers gonna play that game of we just gonna get a veteran.
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Quarterback? Where else they gonna get a quarterback from? That's just what we talking about. They gonna get Diego or Francisco.
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Mendoza. But don't you have to restart a franchise?
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Everyone. Kitty.
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Pickett. Oh, they did? Yeah. Small.
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Hands. They've already tried the. I guess we'll go get one now. Program up. I still go get Kyler. Like, I think getting Kyler Murray is much different than getting Aaron Rodgers or getting Russell Wilson or getting Justin.
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Fields. Yeah, but if you get Kyler Murray, prepare for Mike Tomlin to.
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Retire. Yeah, well, the problem is, you know, nobody likes him, for whatever that's worth. Brock Purdy and M. Jones, they.
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Got. They Listen, Kyle Shanahan at some point, and we're gonna be like, hey, this is this. His. His daddy made running backs. This man has made quarterbacks in a way that I'm not. I still don't believe, like, the 49ers being 10 and 4 is one of those things where I'm like, how does this happen? Why is this happening? And. And is the NFL product this year better than. Better than the NBA? Because I can't see.
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It. I don't. Here's my problem with Kyle Shanahan, man. I don't want no coach so wedded to his system that he thinks, here's how he like quarterbacks. I think I've talked about this on the POD before, but if not, I'm gonna have to edit this. But those of you who know the routine will know what I'm talking about. And you know the routine, too. You being a Chicago guy, he like him like Robin Harris like him. Why? Cause he could just be like Robert Harris said, you like an ugly woman. Cause he just come in the house and be like, hey, I'm going to the moon. I'll be back in a couple of days. Days. Say, pretty woman got too many questions. She just been like, oh, yeah, I'm going to the moon. I'll be back in a couple days. He's like, will you be careful? Right? That's Kyle Shanahan. Nah, he like. Nah, you don't. He don't necessarily like him ugly, but he like him like. Like a slice of white bread. Like, that's just. That's. That's. That's how he like him. You don't want no hot sauce on it. No, no, no. Just. Just give him that slice of white bread. If you just do exactly what he say, then eventually he get tired of white bread, and then he go put a little spice on it. Then he's like, man, you'll go get me another piece of that white bread. And then he get right back to eating that white bread. That wonder bre. He'll.
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Fight. And if he leave. And if you leave, you. And if you leave you. You're good, by the way.
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Right? But then he go. And then he go pay $50 million for the wonder Bread. And Ryan is telling me that, yes, in fact, I have done this before, but still, it works in line with this discussion. Like, but you're right. This. The stars younger than Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen, like. Cause keep it in mind, Joe Burrow is older than Lamar Jackson, so we think we may have it with Jaden Daniels, if he's a little light in the keystroke. We think we may have it with Drake, may. We think we may have it with Caleb Williams. Right. But it's a lot of time for it to go off the rails with those.
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Cats. And how, how easily or quickly did it happen with the other folks that we've seen? Like, we knew Patrick Mahomes was Patrick Mahomes, you know, at the end of that first year where it's like, oh, okay, this, this is what you were sitting behind. All right, this is. This is what you own. This is a gold mine. Right? Like, how many guys did it take two or three years for. For us to. Four years for us to be like, ah, that second contract, for it to be like, I don't know, like you. The Stefan Diggs year was what, the third.
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Year? Three. Year. Three. But that's a weird year. Cause it was the pandemic year or whatever it was. But those first two years, this was not certain. It was, it was, it was not certain at that point. Lamar Jackson, he hit it pretty.
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Quick. Like, I think we all agree on that one. Yeah.
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A
Exactly. I mean, but then you have guys like TUA and Justin Herbert where it looked okay early and then it wasn't long before we were like, oh.
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No, I was never sold on the TUA thing. Whether it be the stature, whether it be the arm strength or the overall demeanor. Like, I always thought that, you know, once, one, he was a little bit too deferential. Two, you know, if you can't command the way that you got to command in those professional settings, things like what's gonna happen when. When the, the seas get a little choppy. Like, I, I was never really head on. Like, this tour thing is going to be one of those top five, top six quarterbacks for the long haul. But like you said right now in college, like, I was told that Kate Klubnick and all these other cats are going to be great at the top of the season. And I watch even the Lenore Sellers kid. Like, there's a. There's a whole bunch of tape where it's like, man, this man is outstanding. This man is amazing. I guess I've been watching college football in a way in the 80s and the 90s where if you was that dude, it was gonna jump off the screen and you were gonna lift teams that wasn't for, you know, at least a couple of years. There were so many quarterbacks in college football this year, where I'm like, man, what are NFL teams gonna do? You're gonna have to go through, through the retreads. You're gonna have to find, you know, J.J. mcCarthy, I believe in you. The second time around, you know, you're gonna have to go, you know, kick the tires on Anthony. Like, this is why the Anthony Richardson thing is so wild. Because with all the things that have happened, you know, the, the orbital bone fracture and taking yourself out the game, man, I promise you, two years from now, whenever that deal is up, a year from now, somebody gonna be like, hey, man, would you like to play football with that body you.
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Got? Oh, you know who's about to ask him if he'd like to play football with that body he got next year? The Indianapolis Colts, that's who. What they think? You think Philip Rivers old ass coming back next.
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Year? I don't think he's coming back. But when a commodity is this.
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They say Anthony Richardson is ready to practice again. And, you know, they don't want that. They don't want to play.
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Him. When a commodity has been beaten down like that, can you build it back up in the, in the same.
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Building? They are going to have no other choice. Like, this is. I mean, look, I saw Kirk Cousins be terrible and get seated and then come back and turn into a decent player within the same spot. Like, the thing that always got me about the Kyle Shanahan loves Kirk Cousins thing is, Buddy, you benched him, too. He was terrible when he played for you. Right, right. And then it came back around. So, I mean, they're not going to have any other choice for the Colts next year. Like, I don't think Daniel Jones plays next year, and if he does, he needs to be able to move. And he's got a devastating mobility injury. I mean, I think it's just.
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Cooking. Look, this is why it is great to say this, and you need to be able to capitalize on these moments because you don't know when they're going to happen again. It is great to be in the position, as a Chicago Bears fan, where the quarterback position is. As stable as it is right now, I don't know when I'm gonna be able to say that again, brother. I, I, you know, you so.
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Nervous you think you might not be able to say it next.
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Week. Hey, listen, the, the. Wow. Freestyle Kendrick Lamar. Oh, you say you, you got a bad one. I could tell you never had one. This entire city, this entire city has not walked around with a bad one on their arm in, in forever. You feel me? Forever. You talk about robbing Harris. We, we've We've been. We were working in the factory where, you know, like, hey, man, one eye is enough. You know what I mean? Like, come on to the crib. Three dollar Hennessy.
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Night. You feel.
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Me? Like, we've been. We've been loading up on. We've been loaded up on. On good eating, but, you know, we ain't no fine dining when it comes to the quarterback position. You know, a lot of. A lot of STs, but. But not, you know, not a lot of.
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Lobster. Fine diet. That is an amazing.
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Line. I have to remember that. Yeah, you know, the vibes, man. Like, we've been. It's been. It's been tough. So when you see Bears fans, like, there's a Bears den, the family den, on the south side of Scott Chicago, there's an entire group and a contingent of black Bears fans that are rejoicing on a Sunday in a way that we. We've been trying to for so long, right? So long. This ain't the socks. This ain't the Bulls. This ain't the, you know, worry about the Blackhawks and the Cubs because, you know, we don't matriculate to those areas as much as we can and should. But, man, under this umbrella, with this gang, we. We've been looking at a lot of mediocre for a long.
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Time.
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Time. So for it to feel this way, for us to be on a precipice of, like, people talking about a quarterback in that manner, man, it feels good not to have to watch the drafts or watch college football in a way where you're scouting quarterbacks every goddamn.
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Week. Good for you, fellas. Good, good. Good for y'.
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All. Yeah, man, good for.
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You. Good for.
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You. Thank you. That is, I appreciate.
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You. That is Jason Goff. Check him out in Chicago. Just being happy. You know what I'm.
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B
Saying? Walk around happy.
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Baby. There we go. I appreciate you.
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Brother. Always, man. Thank you so.
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