Jason Goff on Victor Wembanyama's MVP Push, NBA's 65-Game rule, Jay-Z's disappointing interview | 03.26

Summary

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The Right Time with Bomani Jones

Episode: Jason Goff on Victor Wembanyama’s MVP Push, NBA’s 65-Game Rule, Jay-Z’s Disappointing Interview | 03.26
Date: March 26, 2026
Guests: Jason Goff (The Athletic)

Overview

This episode, Bomani Jones sits down with Jason Goff for a lively, nuanced discussion on the evolving criteria for basketball greatness—using current NBA storylines as launchpads to examine the shifting nature of player legacies, the impact of the league’s new 65-game MVP eligibility rule, and the unprecedented emergence of Victor Wembanyama as a superstar. The pair also turn a critical eye to Jay-Z’s much-hyped GQ interview, poking at the mythmaking around icons and the tension between capitalist success and authentic social critique. Finally, the show ends on a humorous but pointed deconstruction of a wild true crime story that's made the news.

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1. The Meaning of Greatness in Today’s NBA

[01:05 - 05:20]

• Bomani and Jason open with nostalgic takes on the NBA fandom of their youth—remembering an era when you could root for great players knowing they’d never win, unlike today's ring-obsessed discourse.
  • Jason: “You can Jordan-stand if you want, but you’re also close to the LeBron stand, so you're in that middle... It was cool back. I think some of it is coming back now with these kids.” [01:40]
  • Bomani: “It’s a thin line between a loser and somebody who never won. I have never thought of Dominique Wilkins as a loser… James Harden, I will not call him a loser… I have seen him be the cause of some losses…” [02:47]
• The guys reflect on how legacy talk shifted post-Jordan and Kobe, now defining greats almost exclusively by rings and Finals appearances.
  • Jason: “The post-Jordan world… what is done to legacies and how we talk about them… Anthony Edwards—if he goes a decade and doesn’t make it to one, what we gonna say? Anthony wasn’t cold?” [04:29]

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2. Victor Wembanyama’s Historic Ascension & MVP Narrative

[05:20 - 12:14]

• Bomani and Jason contextualize Victor Wembanyama’s breakout as potentially the birth of a generational, paradigm-shifting NBA superstar on and off the court.
  • Bomani: “Victor is the born superstar… understands what it means to be a superstar in this league. He enjoys being enough of an asshole. Like, beating people is what he’s in this for. And he wants this MVP.” [08:34]
  • Jason, on Wemby’s season: “It’s been fantastic things damn near every night. But we’re getting used to it, in a way… That 80-foot pass he caught… this shit that he is doing, bro.” [10:29]
• Assess the odds and significance of Wemby winning MVP in only his second season, and the significance for the young Spurs.
  • Noted that the Spurs are now the #2 seed in the West, shocking the league.
  • Compare to prior superteams (e.g., 2008 Celtics), noting that younger, draft-built rosters like San Antonio's breaking through would be unprecedented.

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3. The NBA’s 65-Game Rule & Its Implications

[12:14 - 22:41]

• The conversation pivots to the controversial new rule: players must play at least 65 games to be award-eligible (MVP, All-NBA, etc.).
  • Bomani: “When they put the rule in, I did not hear all this complaint… This was about All-NBA team and Defensive Player of the Year to try to hold up cats’ money. That’s all it was.” [15:03, 16:48]
  • Jason (adamantly): “I hated it immediately… You’re either gonna have cats playing games they shouldn’t be playing, or we gonna lose the journal of the season.” [13:19, 14:27]
  • Both note injuries have always kept some greats from awards; the problem is using eligibility for leverage on contracts is problematic.
• Bomani adds historical context—only Bill Walton (1977-78) ever won MVP playing less than 65 games in an 82-game season. The new rule’s real effect is on money and All-NBA, not MVP.
  • On natural voter-discretion: "You can trust the voters to get it right… Only Hall of Famers win MVPs." [21:58]

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4. Wembanyama, New Generations, and Shifting Legacies

[20:03 - 22:41]

• Jason and Bomani ponder how future fans and historians will remember this era, as missing games becomes normalized and superstars calibrate their careers for longevity.
  • Jason: “I can’t see myself… thinking, you know, Wemby only got two MVPs because of that damn 65-game rule. So he really isn’t one of the greats… all of our lenses are changing in real time.” [20:12]
  • They touch on the explosion of former players as media personalities, “breaking down the fourth wall,” changing the way the public relates to NBA heroics and effort.

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5. Jay-Z’s GQ Interview: Deconstructing the Myth

[25:15 - 43:54]

• Bomani and Jason thoroughly roast Jay-Z’s recent GQ cover story and his cultural transformation.
  • Bomani: “I felt like it was very long, and he did not say very much in the course of that interview… Take the $500,000.” [25:15, 26:10]
  • Jason: “He just hit you with the parables… I am a Hov stan… But I sat there like: ‘All right, what am I gonna get from it?’” [26:16, 27:13]
• Dissecting how Jay-Z carefully curates his legend, and the tension in his messaging as he navigates both entrepreneurship and cultural criticism.
  • Jay Z’s “I didn’t get here by taking advantage of people”—called out by Bomani as conveniently forgetting self-incriminating lines from his own discography. [29:40]
  • “He is the system… There is no countercultural billionaire.” [30:06]
• Explores the shift in hip-hop from lauding capitalist excess to reckoning with it in a more skeptical era.
  • Bomani: “His whole brand is being apex predator capitalist. The most noble thing about Jay-Z has always been that he was rich, right?” [35:02]
  • Jay Z’s struggle to understand backlash: “He can't reconcile that it’s not the same people fully who praised you for being rich.” [36:12]
• Conclude that it’s OK for Jay-Z just to be a rapper, but our need to make him “more” has led to unnecessary mythmaking and disappointment.
  • Bomani: “It’s okay to just be a rapper. If all we do is evaluate him and the quality of his music, it’s a very interesting discussion… But anytime the moment tries to go into something bigger, it’s like, yep, no, no, no, no. Why don’t you just get back to rap?” [42:12]

Notable Quotes:

• Bomani: “He sold crack to your mother. You told me that. Like, you… you… 444 was the vulnerable album. Absolutely. But… ‘You must love me’ is entirely about how terrible you were.” [29:39]
• Jason: “It's the last dance kind of vibe… but every time you pop up with a content creator, that’s your latest single as opposed to music.” [33:11, 41:59]

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6. Offbeat Headline Deconstruction: The Quadruple-Amputee Murder Case

[44:23 - 55:52]

• Bomani brings up a true crime story recently featured on national news: a professional cornhole player, a quadruple amputee, accused of murder.
  • The story gets a sharp, comedic yet insightful takedown, calling out media for presenting it with deadpan seriousness when its novelty is actually the appeal.
  • Bomani: “These people know good and goddamn well why that story made the CBS news… not because it’s important, but because you will find it uproarious.” [44:48]
  • Explores the ethical line between reporting a story straight and the reasons it catches the public imagination.
• Jason and Bomani riff on the absurdity and their own responses, balancing critique with humor and sensitivity toward the victim.
  • Jason: “Dew Drop… if he climbing trees with rifles, what makes you think he won't pull up in the most innocuous way and knock you out?” [51:04]
  • Bomani: “Do you have any clue what I had to do to get here? I don’t think you do.” [55:34]

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7. Closing Notes

[55:52 - End]

• Jason closes with: “You got the same amount of time in the day as Dayton Webber. Don’t choose to be nobody.” [55:52]
• Bomani shouts out Jason, the show’s staff, and encourages listener engagement.

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Highlight Timestamps

• NBA nostalgia and loser/greatness debate: [01:05 – 05:20]
• Wembanyama as MVP, impact on league & culture: [08:34 – 12:14]
• NBA 65-game rule origins, flaws, and financial impact: [14:27 – 21:58]
• Jay-Z GQ Interview and the construction of legacy: [25:15 – 43:54]
• Quadruple amputee cornhole murder story breakdown: [44:23 – 55:52]

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Most Memorable Quotes

• Bomani Jones [08:34]: “Victor is the born superstar… He enjoys enough asshole. Like, beating people is what he’s in this for.”
• Bomani Jones [25:15]: “I felt like it was very long, and he did not say very much in the course of that interview. Take the $500,000.”
• Jason Goff [14:27]: “I hated [the 65-game rule] immediately. You’re either gonna have cats playing games they shouldn’t be playing, or we gonna lose the journal of the season.”
• Bomani Jones [35:02]: "The most noble thing about Jay-Z has always been that he was rich, right? That was the brand from 1996 on."
• Jason Goff [55:52]: “In the great words of Sugar Free, you got the same amount of time in the day as Dayton Weber. Don’t choose to be nobody.”

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Tone & Style:
Conversational, comedic but incisive, with deep basketball analysis, cultural critique, and irreverent humor.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode:

This episode dives deep into how we define NBA greatness in the modern era (hint: it’s more complicated than just rings), explains why Victor Wembanyama’s rise is unlike anything we’ve seen, unpacks the messy consequences of the NBA’s new eligibility rules, and delivers a sharp take on Jay-Z’s public persona amid shifting cultural values. Stay for the news-of-the-weird breakdown—both hilarious and a lesson in media critique.

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Transcript

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[Jason Goff]

Hey man, how you doing? I'm always glad to be on the show and also you know I listen and I text you about things. Great stuff with Bob Costa's brother.

[Brian]

Appreciate it.

[Jason Goff]

I'm really happy that there's someone repping for this weird age group of NBA fan that we're in where it's like you can Jordan stand if you want but you're also close to the LeBron stand. So like you're in that middle and how like amazing that time was and also like the a time where you could root for players that you knew never going to win a championship.

[Brian]

Yes, it was okay. It was okay to have more guys, right?

[Jason Goff]

Mitch Richmond was cool. You know what I'm saying? Like now it's like James Harden his whole career is a failure. Like he scored 36 points a game one season.

[Brian]

Dominique Wilkins never got past the second round. Still be shutting down tomorrow.

[Jason Goff]

My favorite non bull player of all time, Dominique. Yeah yeah man. Like it was cool. It was cool back. I think some of it is coming back now with these kids and you know the the streamers and the the little mellow balls of the world like this, this new wave of how people are consuming. But I appreciate it because listening to Bob talk about it, I'm like, yeah, I remember Peter Vessi was like. He was like a villain with a pin. You know what I mean?

[Brian]

You just hit on a thought, right? That is interesting because it's a thin line between a loser and somebody who never won, right. I have never thought of Dominique Wilkins as a loser. I could see the argument one could make about James Harden. I will not call him a loser because if he wanted to shoot me for that, like, I'm not saying he would be right, but I wouldn't be surprised, right? So I'm not going to recall him a loser. However, I have seen him be the cause of some losses in some very significant places. Right.

[Jason Goff]

Dramatic fashion.

[Brian]

Yeah. But there's a whole rack of guys, a wave of guys that for whatever reason, like, nobody's like, man, at George Gervin, I guess they won in the aba, but nobody's like, yeah, that George Gervin, that guy never won an NBA championship. I do wonder what we would have said about Dr. J if 1983 had not happened, right? But how many guys, how many guys we got right now that are of that tier? And just, I mean, I think there's two lines. There's playing for a championship, and just about every great player has played for a championship. And that's the greatest knock against Dominique, is that all the great ones at least got to the finals, right? James Harden has never been to the finals. Like, who are the guys that have never been to the finals? That list is not long.

[Jason Goff]

That. Yeah, yeah. And, well, you know, we, we do the, the Barkley thing, but because he's

[Brian]

been to the finals, he got to

[Jason Goff]

the finals with Phoenix, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, I. The. The post Jordan world that we live in and what it did to what load management, what it did to contracts, what is done to legacies and how we talk about them, like, you know, and also the, the Kobe, you know, factor as well, where it's like, if you didn't win anything or if you didn't win this many, you won't be respected. And then you get the guys who go to the one and win it or go to two and win one. Like, for instance, Anthony Edwards in this, in this mold that he's in now, Fantastic, terrific player. There's something happening in San Antonio that's about to take off while the Minnesota thing is staying where it is in a good way, but not championship feelings. If Anthony Edwards Go a decade and don't make it to one, right? What we going to say? Anthony wasn't cold.

[Brian]

Hey man. And look, Anthony Edwards got to where he got one year with Carl Anthony Towns as his right hand man and the next year with Julius Randall as the right hand man. Two guys who were traded for one another specifically, I believe, because each team thought they couldn't win with the one they had. Right, right. And they, and, and they went and they probably talked them dudes up in the trade. Oh man, it's just a salary thing, you know what I mean? Like, we gotta, we gotta stay out of the tax. You're getting a great win, I promise you. You know, they, they, they talked all that when they made that move. But Anthony Edwards getting to, he is the legend killer, right? Like he went through and he knocked down. Name all the guys that he went through in order to get there, all his heroes in order to get to that conference final. And now Victor, who's out here making the why I'm the MVP case. That is pretty compelling. They've never won a playoff series before. There's no way that one could truly reasonably say that they believe the spurs are going to win a championship because that is the most unprecedented thing we've ever seen. The closest thing that I could point to, to that is the Boston Celtics in 2008, where that was the first year of that team. But it was old dudes, you know what I mean? Like, like it was, it was dudes with some miles on them, with some experience, built around three guys in their 30s. That's not what we're talking about here in San Antonio. But the Celtics didn't have anybody that was eight feet tall now.

[Jason Goff]

So the issue I might have is did the, did that Celtic squad like Kevin fell on his face. Ray did what he had to do in Seattle and didn't go as far as he wanted to with Rashad Lewis. And Paul was, was with, I mean there was a time where Paul was with Antoine Walker and we were like, man, these two dudes are cold. But they're not winning enough. So they all, I mean they've been to a conference final, Right, right, right. So they went through their struggle separately and got thrown together. Like we, that NBA lore of like you gotta, you gotta fall down before you win the championship. I mean, Mike did it right? Detroit. Like people talk about Mike. Like there wasn't game five in 89 or 80. I think it was 88. Where it was like that was a, that's not the way you Want to go out, right? Victor is sitting back. Like, first of all, it seems like so long ago that we were talking about people on his team don't know he the best player and that was his first year.

[Brian]

They all out of there.

[Jason Goff]

They figured it out. They figured it out, right? And now Stefan Castle, he popping up like, hey man, this dude is a lot better than he had ever shown at UConn. And he was the number two, what? Number two pick, if I'm not mistaken. Right? So it's like, man, I don't know how to view this going forward, especially with the, the glut of young NBA talent and now the old heads who were like, all right, now Lucas got to go to another one. Shay Gilgis Alexander is now a, you know, a prime veteran with a bunch of young dudes around him who's already been to one and won one. Like, this is. This is uncharted territory for the youth that is about to just take over. And also the young, I say the prime veterans who still need to win one. Right?

[Brian]

Yeah, but Victor is the. Born. Superstars are rare, right? And I don't just mean superstar in the sense of how good a player is. I mean in terms of grasping and appreciation, the magnitude of everything that goes into being you, right? Not just, I'm going to dominate on the floor, getting a little fan section going and all of that stuff, right? Showing up at the All Star game and making everybody play hard because you don't want to get your shit tossed by this eight foot tall monster, right? Like completely changing the. Everything around, everything that he touches. Right? He is a. He understands what it, what it means to be a superstar in this league. He's that guy. He made that call. And he's. He enjoys defeating people like he. And he enjoys enough, asshole. Yes, yes, yes. Like, like beating people is what he's in this for. And he wants this mvp. Like, this is. This is interesting. He. Is he the mvp? I don't know if statistically you can make the argument right, he's going to make it to the 65 game mark if he plays eight more games and they have 10 left. So I'm assuming that he's going to get out there. They are the two seed in the west, which none of us thought that they were going to be in a season where it looked at a point like Oklahoma City was going to win 75 games, except for the fact that they, the spurs went out there and tossed them three times in a row. Right? He's the. He's the Story for this postseason. The west is looking incredible, but he's, He's. He's the thing to look at.

[Jason Goff]

That's it. I'll never forget having an argument on air with Rodney Harrison during the Cam Newton MVP run that season where I'm like, hey, man, for me, there's simple metrics, there's the advanced stuff, but sometimes you just got to ask, who was this season about? Who is the season about? And the slow burn that has been this Victor when Benyama season where it's been fantastic things damn near every night. But it's like, oh, yeah, he did another fantastic. Like, we getting used to it in a way where, you know, Prime Giannis, like early Prime Yanis was like this dude putting up Shaq numbers and he running fast breaks and all, man. That. That 80 foot pass that he caught with one hand, slung it to De' Aon Fox in the corner pocket. Pass dear. Fox catches the ball and D's like, no, no, no. You. You eight feet and your second jump is as quick as any wing in this league. I'm just gonna throw it back up there as soon as you come down. Like the shit that he is doing, bro. Like, I just. When I, when I heard LeBron was coming from Sonny Vaccaro on. On a telephone call where he was like, I got the greatest player of all time in my camp. That's the way I felt when. When I'm like, all right, the Victor Wembanyama thing is coming, and then you start checking it out and you're like, no, no, no, no, no. This. This ain't just happening against cats who, like, smoke cigarettes during hat. Like, you know that old European, like, stuff we throw on. Nah, this is coming. And the fact that it's landed and he's doing this first of all with minute restrictions in the beginning, and now the target is squarely on his back. LeBron saying in the All Star Game and everybody could read the language because this is how these dudes feel is fuck Wemby. Yeah. He ain't making us play hard. Nah, everyone feels that way and you still can't do nothing about it. Yeah.

[Brian]

I'd say this, though, where everybody lands in the standings is going to be interesting because the Lakers are playing themselves into the three. They're a game and a half ahead of Denver. Where to me it gets interesting with the spurs is if the Nuggets wind up in that three, get to the second round, and now Victor's got to deal with the guy I still say is the best player in the NBA is yogic. I don't know how like that it will be very interesting because I don't feel like we've seen them play against each other a lot, if I'm not mistaken. Like it feels like. I think it's, I think it's the Nuggets that yogic don't play them games. And I think it's just because they try to hold it out, right? Like they're not trying to give that monster any ability to adjust and to figure out what to do. Like this is. This is it. But I, I brought him up in part because I'm seeing people Talk about the 65 game limit on whether you can win MVP or make all NBA or win the awards. And it's so funny because I swear I was here when they put the rule in and I did not hear all this complaint.

[Jason Goff]

So I hated it immediately.

[Brian]

Yeah, but right fast, you know I'm right about not, not saying no, no, not the complainer.

[Jason Goff]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Brian]

But the complainers all of a sudden now everybody hated it. I believe that you did.

[Jason Goff]

Yeah. So too many people try to make basketball what they knew it to be. And there, there's a game that evolved. I don't think any game has evolved past the limits or the definitions of what it used more so than basketball. Right. Football can change rules every single year and it don't matter because it's football and we going to find a way to figure it kick off rules this, that and the other. Like, you know, I remember when it wasn't a halo on punt returns, right. Like there, there things change because the evolution of the game is accepted with, with what's happening now. All the space and pace stuff, all the, you know, you got dribble handoffs happening 45ft away from the basket to make the best athletes in the world go downhi at crazy speeds when the game says, hey man, these cats are breaking down. One, because they playing more basketball than ever. Two, because post Jordan, nothing but a championship matters and we paying these dudes exorbitant amounts of money. So the regular season has been, you know, kind of brought down a couple of notches this 65 game stuff. Immediately I was like, all right, one, you either going to have cats playing games they shouldn't be playing or getting back to the MVP conversation, we gonna lose the journal of the season. The story of the season. You ain't telling me. Cade Cunningham, if he missed, if he only played 62, 63 games, he wasn't one of the best three guards for these all NBA teams, first and third teams.

[Brian]

But, but, but we know this was never about that logic. We know what basically happened. The people on the Internet basically accuse these dudes of faking injuries, right? Like, like being lazy or just, just the general idea of low management, right? Like they, they. But the idea was these guys are healthy enough to play and they're not playing. Therefore we need to find a way to induce this effort, right? Because effort is not an observable variable, right? You, you have to induce it. So how are we going to induce this? We're going to induce it by putting these restrictions on these awards. But not because of the awards, because of the money that was associated with the awards in terms of award and supermax contracts. Right? That was the reason they did it. And now what they found out is, no, man, these dudes really be hurt, man. Like, you know, and maybe it's some quirky stuff like a collapsed love for Cade Cunningham. That is not an overuse issue, right? Like that, that's not, that's not why we're here. But people wanted the guys to play more games. And the NBA made a decision that to me was about winning a press conference and telling the fans we want these guys to play more games too. And don't you worry, we were getting on the case because people wanted them to get on the case. Then they got on the case and now people are like, man, we ain't

[Jason Goff]

even want that, man. What is this?

[Brian]

This is stupid. Now to me, where it's interesting is that for the mvp, this was always going to enforce itself. There's only been one MVP in an 82 game season who played few in the 65 game. Like this is not an award that we give people who don't play games. And the only one that was, by the way, was Bill Walton in 78 coming off the championship when the players still voted, by the way, and the players were clearly sick of voting for Kareem Abdul Jabbar. Like that's what that came. He played 58 games that season. That's it. 58 games in the course of that season. That's the only time it had ever happened. This was about all NBA team and defensive player of the year to try to hold up Cats money, right? That's all it was. But then they wind up in a year where all the best players is missing a gang of games. Now my question is, if we didn't have this 65 game thing in there, it was you throwing out there, would we give the MVP to somebody who only played 60 games. Like, will we do it? I have a hard time seeing that happen.

[Jason Goff]

Yeah, yeah. Again, you got to be the story of the season. Like, even. Even with Jokic, you know, the voter fatigue and all those things fly in. In there as well. I mean, you know, the money aspect really sucks. Right. It wasn't a Klay Thompson who missed all NBA vote because one. One reporter voted, you know, some other way. And. And he missed the Supermax contract. Like, when it. When you start messing with dude's money, then. Then we're talking a different. A different ball of wax. I just don't know how you fix it, man. I don't know how you fix it. I don't know what you can do. I don't know the restrictions and parameters you can place on basketball outside of your league. Because like I said, you know, there were. There were people here in this city that knew how much basketball Derrick Rose was playing. Right. As a young kid. Right. And how much, you know, not just a you stuff, but just how much ball he was playing. Even though he wasn't playing pickup ball at 505, he was out, you know, and he was. He was wrapped up.

[Brian]

He was.

[Jason Goff]

He had all the arm sleeves and all the knee sleeves before he even got to Memphis. So I don't know what it is you can do for the greater basketball story and the observer feeling more fulfilled and on top of it, man, like, the NBA MVP is still an mvp. That, like, means something.

[Brian]

Yes.

[Jason Goff]

You know, like baseball, obviously, football, you know, Cool. But there's years where the MVP has been like, oh, yeah, that guy won an mvp. And it hasn't been the story of the season.

[Brian]

Only hall of Famers win MVPs. Like, the only MVP that is probably not going to make the hall of Fame is Derrick Rose.

[Jason Goff]

Yeah.

[Brian]

Literally every other one. You win a scoring championship in the NBA, you're going to the hall of Fame. They're all into like, this is this. Yeah, this is Brian. There is no Brian Sipe on the list of NBA hall of Famers. There's no Terry Pendleton on the list of NBA hall of Famers.

[Jason Goff]

It's just.

[Brian]

It's not. That's not how NBA MVPs. I mean, that's not. That's not how it works.

[Jason Goff]

Yeah. And now with this next wave of dudes, like the, the whole WIMBY thing, and everybody in sports should be keeping their fingers crossed, obviously.

[Brian]

Health.

[Jason Goff]

You see a man that big, your first thing you think about is the feats. Right. Like, you Go back to Sam Bowie, you go back to Ralph Sampson. You go back to Bill Walton, right? Joel Embiid. Like, first thing you think of A man over 7 foot 1, 7 foot 2, is hopefully the lower extremities hold up, right? And he's spindly as it is, but it's not like he's always in the paint. Not like the paint is. Is what it used to be in terms of physical contact. But yeah, man, I can't see myself. I can't see myself thinking in the future, especially how normalized missing games have become. I can't see myself thinking, you know, Wendy only got two MVPs because of that damn 65 game rule. So he, he really isn't one of the greats. Like, all of our lenses are changing in real time. And I think we're in this crossroads of, like, how will history talk about this time of basketball where, you know, and also, let's face it, there are more. There are more people who played the game that are talking about the game than ever than ever. Like, our orator used to be reporters. It used to be big voice guys and girls out there who talked about the game. Now is dudes who are actually in the game who after they get out five years later, seven years later, tell you, hey, man, I was, I was mailing it in that last half of that season. Boy, I was bad. This, that and the other. So there's this, there's this breaking down of the fourth wall that I think a lot of fans are privy to that that detracts or takes away from some of the lore that we kind of grew up with, thinking, like, all right, cool, like the 82 seasons that Jordan played in a row where he played all the games, all the playoff games, all these other things. And then we look back and like, all right, but guys had 15, 14 year runs, and now 17, 20 year careers are like unrealistically the norm for stars.

[Brian]

Yeah, but brother, here's the thing again, that assumes that the point of this is about making people worthy of the awards. And that's. And that's not it. They just wanted to, they just want. Look, you can trust the voters to get it right. You know what I mean? Like, like, like if, if the voters are there, they, they clearly have figured out on their own. Even Joel Embiid, that year, he won the MVP 66 games, right? Like, although I think if I'm not mistaken, the rule was in place and they. And see, but see that, that, that is one of those, that gets you into the idea that, well, maybe we gonna be able to drag some people out here and get them to play. But no, they're gonna got Joe rocking

[Jason Goff]

out there like Willis Reed, like yeah,

[Brian]

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[Brian]

All right, we are back With Jason Goff. So I checked out the Jay Z interview, at least much of it. I felt like it was very long. And he did not say very much in the course of that interview. Joel, my good buddy Joel. Joel had the best line about it, which was, take the 500,000. And for those of you who don't know, there's a long running meme. What would you rather have insert dollar amount. We'll call it 500,000 here. $500,000 or dinner with Jay Z? And the idea is that all that game that Jay Z would give you over the course of dinner would be worth more than $500,000. And Joel is like, no. After I've read that interview, you just need to take $500,000 before I read that interview.

[Jason Goff]

You kidding me?

[Brian]

You know, I mean, we knew it before, but it was definitely solidified after reading that interview.

[Jason Goff]

I am you talking about st understand situation coming, man. Listen, I am. I am a home stand that am in this realm now of like, as LeBron fan too. It's like, hey, man, you gotta like, all right, cool. You. You did it. You did it, player like you. You got as much. You a billionaire two times over. Like, I get it. You. You cold. Hey, thanks for the vulnerable album, you know, 444. The tough. Listen, like I. I'm with you, fam. The. The 17 minute God did verse. You still cold. You know, you can still wrap. I sat there and I was like, all right, what am I going to get from it? And I saw the video as well, and I'm like, oh, he. He just hit you with the parables. He hit you with the parables. He hit you with the. And the best thing, he hit you with the Usual Suspects again, where it's like, I'm gonna talk about the system and then be the system at the same time.

[Brian]

Yo, that. The amazing thing about Jay Z is he is very invested in the building of the myth of Jay Z. He is not the only person in such a position, though he has access to tools in. In order to do so right now, I want to be fair to all parties involved that if that interview ever had the chance of being tough, it was never going to take place. And for those who don't know, it's 30 years since Jay Z's first album. Reasonable Doubt is 25 years since his other. The two albums that people generally speak of is the two best Jay Z albums. A Reasonable Doubt, the Blueprint Blueprint came out in 2001. He's doing a couple concerts at Yankee Stadium around this. Apparently now he's added a third one. He's going to the Roots Picnic. Like, this is a year of Jay Z. And. And I don't know if Jay Z is selling something else, Right? Like, if there's an album that's coming with it, presumably that's going to happen. But the reason I'm not so sure about that or it does. I don't think these are vehicles to sell an album. I think these are vehicles to sell the legend of Jay Z. Right. Cause I don't think there's not that much money in making music anymore. He doesn't need an album to do the tour or to do a tour or to do these concerts. He's got these other things. He is about building the idea or the notion of Jay Z. And people want to feel like one of us got to the top and that Jay Z is an example of that. Right. But I saw Jay Z say in this interview that he got to where he was. It was him pushing back on the idea that billionaires are inherently bad. An idea that he doesn't understand. But we'll get to that in a minute. Right? But he had the gall to say the words, I didn't get here by taking advantage of people. And I'm like, you sold crack to your mother. You told me that. Yeah, like, like you. You like 444 was the vulnerable album. Absolutely. Right. Yeah. But he makes the point in there that he made a point of interview I thought was interesting. He was like, well, no, I talk about when I take losses, I have songs like Regrets and you must love me. No, you must love Me is entirely about how terrible you were. And you still keep winning with the people to whom you were terrible. Right.

[Jason Goff]

Didn't he shoot a family member? And you must.

[Brian]

Yes, yes, yes. It ran into the night as if it was not his family. That was what he said. Regrets. The whole point of regrets is, hey, baby, if you try to win, gotta do some shit. Hey, that's what it is. But I'm just like, you're right. He is the system. Like, his goal was clearly to become part of this system because there is no countercultural billionaire. It doesn't work that way.

[Jason Goff]

No, no. So throughout, like, when the Colin Kaepernick thing was going down and there was a. There was a moment there that it was reaching a boiling point because the NFL had positioned Jay Z as, okay, this will be our conduit. This will be our vessel to. To help people understand in the urban environments. And, you know, Black folks and rap, rap heads and hip hop lovers and anybody of the. That, hey, we are making our strides. There was a moment there where a lot of people were like, you know what? This is where I get off. This is where I get where. Where we start talking about performances at halftime being more important than, you know, because the whole. Was the statement, we don't have to kneel anymore or, you know, that. That kind of vibe, like, right.

[Brian]

From beyond kneeling.

[Jason Goff]

Yeah, we're beyond kneeling, right. And from that moment on, the, The. The. The. The underworld of Jay Z hate started to rise to the surface of like, hey, man, you can't just be the most, you know, ball in this dude, have the greatest life and tell us about it all these years, and then on top and be like, hey, time. Time for y' all to cut this out. Like, it felt like the homie coming back to the. To the block. Like, hey, man, y' all still doing this out here, man? You know, I tried to get you real estate seminar two weeks ago that I was throwing, and you decided not to. I guess you just love being broke. I'll catch you later. And then you just see the smoke from the exhaust from the bins, like, fly up in everybody's face, brother.

[Brian]

Do you remember when he tried to get Marcy on the crypto?

[Jason Goff]

Yes.

[Brian]

It wasn't enough that you used to sell them crack, now you want to sell them funny money.

[Jason Goff]

Funny money, right?

[Brian]

Like. Like that. Like, now you try to get. Now you try to get them on the. On the funny money. Like, this is.

[Jason Goff]

I love the music, right? I grew up around people who were in those kinds of, you know, ventures, shall we say? Like, I got reasonable doubt when it came out as a kid because one of the homies was like, yo, check this out. This is. This is like a diary of what really goes down. And I'm like, oh, this is. This is outstanding. I thought I was like a niche fan club kind of thing. And then Volume one, he blows up. But, man, to see the. Where this thing is now. Like, all the. The Bob Marley, like, likenesses and references and the, The. The. The. The. The. The Basquiat, you know, the way that he's being photographed these days. Like, I love the fact that he's gotten older and still doesn't give a. About what he doesn't have to give a. About. Like, that's what he. That's what he's telling you in this. In this interview. Like, hey, yeah, you know what it is? It's the last.

[Brian]

Hold on.

[Jason Goff]

No, hold On.

[Brian]

No, but he does still give a shit about what we think of him, which he also doesn't have to think about, but he's very much concerned with it's the last.

[Jason Goff]

It's the last dance kind of vibe.

[Brian]

Yeah, but. But like, so, so let me, let me, let me, let me run something by that hit me the other day. All right, I saw one of the social media platforms. Somebody had posted the video of him at the Unplugged show in. I guess it was 03 doing 02 or 03, I can't remember which. But he's doing Takeover, right? And the Roots, you know, Chop put in all the beats, you know, from the other cats, whatever. And I. It was the Che Guevara era, where he's wearing the Che Guevara T shirt, and then he gets on the Black Album and he says, che Guevara with bling on. I'm complex. And it's like, brother, and I mean, this Che Guevara would murder you and tell everybody about it to prove a point. Like, that is not real dictator. That's not what this is, right? And so I bring that up to say I don't think he understands the. Understands critiques of capitalism, right? And where it got weird for Jay in terms of how many people receive him, obviously not everybody is the fact. And I said this around during COVID I was like, it's going to be really interesting to see how we view him now that the idea of being super rich isn't as popular as it used to be. And his whole brand is being apex predator capitalist. The most noble thing about Jay Z has always been that he was rich, right? That was the brand from 1996 on. He changed the game in rap as he was the first dude to come out zero to presenting as rich immediately. Nobody got to present as broke anymore. Right? Like, Saul's about that. No, no, no. You need to be rich right now. You need to have all them chains and shit right now. You ain't.

[Jason Goff]

You couldn't talk about your cherry red Pathfinder like leaders of the dude. No.

[Brian]

He was like, yo, man, what is. What. What. What is that, 4.0? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jason Goff]

You only driving in $100,000 truck.

[Brian]

Oh, wasn't good enough, right? You're your base model Range Rover, dude, I'm over here. What are you talking about? Right? Like, that's the person that he gave and that's the person that he presented. And so he doesn't know when people started hitting back and were like, hey, man, you Know, the idea that anybody could ever have this much money is actually quite problematic. He can't reconcile that it's not the same people fully who praised you for being rich. He was like, yeah, man, you know, I thought being a capitalist was good in America. That's not the people who's talking to you right now about this, but they are the people that you often claim that you speak for that are the ones that are like, hey, man, like, maybe you need to give some thought to where you stand, you know, in this. In this here class game. Maybe you need to consider that. And so that's a shift that's happened that it's clear he still can't. He's like, but I thought you loved the fact that I. He's removed from it and got all this money. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, no, but nobody's like, I'm just doing the same thing that got me on the COVID of Time magazine, you know? But that's your argument about him being the system, right? He's just like, I did, and you guys love me for getting to all these places. Like, what are you. What are you. What are you talking about? And now all of a sudden, it's a problem, and it's like, oh, you don't get the arguments at all. You just think that people are hating on you.

[Jason Goff]

Yeah, it's always resonated with him, too, right? Because he. He, you know, I. I put dollars on my ass. Columbine. Like, the. The. The. You talk about the. The nobility part. He.

[Brian]

He.

[Jason Goff]

I won't say he presents it, but we find out a lot of, like, what he does behind the scenes. Similar to Jordan, similar to Jordyn, where it's like, hey, man, these people don't know what I actually do outside of telling you how cold I am.

[Brian]

He.

[Jason Goff]

It strikes a tone with him. It strikes a nerve with him. Even in this interview where he was, like, talking about Drake and Kendrick, and he's like, people are trying to say that I'm aligned against Drake. And he looks at the interviewer and says, I'm Jay Z. And that was the moment where it flipped from. Sit back. Humbly stated, terrifically outfitted. You know what I mean? Like Buddha, like Zen rap figure to, hey, but I'm still the man on this block. Like, there's no dichotomy.

[Brian]

But he. But he seems to understand that he'd a man on that block, and on that other block, he just one of many rich people. And the reason that I say that is this clearly that money only means so much in terms of power because if there were actual power behind it, he wouldn't be so afraid of saying anything real. You know what I mean? Like, like he still clearly works to not offend. That's clearly still on the board. And in his thoughts when he has things to say and to talk about is like, he, he's not gonna say anything that goes that far because again, he's part of that machine.

[Jason Goff]

Peeps.

[Brian]

Yeah. And so the interview, as far as an interview goes, and it. Look, that's a tough interview to do no matter who you are, Right? Like that's Jay. Like you say that's Jay Z, right? That's Jay Z who's in front of you. It's clear that the dude who did the interview is a big Jay Z fan. So there was only going to be but so much pushback on him. And maybe one could make the argument that sometimes you let somebody's words speak and express who they are and you don't even need to fully double back on. Right? Like, okay, Jay said these things, but I, I thought Jay came across as being a bit of an empty vessel in that interview. And I don't think that's what he was going for. I think he thought, like you said, that he was, he was spitting, he was going to hit him with some of that wisdom, you know, But I'm not an idealist, I'm a realist. I take the world as it is. That's some really disheartening, cynical shit right there.

[Jason Goff]

Especially in these times.

[Brian]

Yes, right.

[Jason Goff]

Like, especially in these times where people are scraping and scrounging. You know, health insurance ain't cheap. Like life ain't cheap. Life is as, as expensive as it has been in, in God knows how long. And also, but this is the thing too, the audience though, BO Right? Like there is a, there is a, a worldly affect to what Jay Z has experienced. But I think the audience that has traveled with him has kind of always expected him to be the motivational piece or the tool or the inspiration and looked at him as such. Where it's like if you listen to dead prayers or if you listen to any, like back in the day listening to poor righteous teachers or ex clan, all these things. Like the audience that grows with you is going to always see you in that light and maybe not ask anything else of you. And then when you do hit them with a spare nugget or a piece of what they would deem wisdom, it's like mind blowing. Whereas everybody else is like, all right, we got that. But how do you feel about this? I went back and watched the interview that he did eight years ago with the Times, and he was talking about what Donald Trump getting elected. The positives of that in terms of the discourse and the dialogue that this country will have. And it blew my mind while I was sitting there watching it with my wife, because I'm like, man, I have long thought that anybody outside of black people who are like, no, we need this discourse and dialogue. And I'm like, hey, man, if you told black people that all this shit would end today, if all we did was had to talk, then you get screamed at because we've been talking. Everybody's just been talking this whole time, like, what's the actual actionable items that can be put in place? And that was the other thing, too. When he was in the room with Goodell, he mentioned actionable items like, what's next? And it's. It's kind of like those things where we. We. Where there's, like. There's shootings in schools and people do the thoughts and prayers, and they go, we can't talk about these things. There are legislation pieces or policies now because it would be absurd and it would offend the victims. And let's not. Let's not cover up these heinous crimes with our. With our agendas. But it's like, if we never get to it, then we never get to it. It feels like there is a. A. A. A portion of rap fans and. And, you know, people who are our age who are like, all right, but when you gonna get to what's happening now and how are you gonna get to it? Through your music and through your art and through your words. Like, every interview is an album now, right?

[Brian]

Every.

[Jason Goff]

Every. Every time you pop up with a content creator, that's your latest single as opposed to music. So this is the actual item. This is the time now where you could be like, all right, eight years ago I said that. Now this is what has become of it, and this is how I want to change it.

[Brian]

Yeah. I think where I land, ultimately, hey, man, it's okay to just be a rapper 100%. And that's. And that. And I say that to us, right?

[Jason Goff]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brian]

Cause one thing he does that I do think is interesting, like when he had the Book of Hov exhibit at the Brooklyn Museum, the key there is he could have put that in any museum or like any gallery or whatever it is, that type of stuff, but he wanted to put it in a place that's accessible to the people. Right. These concerts at Yankee Stadium, for example, there's always like an air. He puts an air of accessibility on. Like, I'm going to hit you with these, this, this glimpse into the other side of life, but I'm going to make it to where you can always get a touch of it. Right. Like, he's very good at the accessible, at giving the presentation of accessibility. But to me, the thing is, it's okay if you just real good at rap, you know, because I don't care about him being a very successful businessman and being rich. Like, that just doesn't move you. Yeah, that's not that. That doesn't. That, I don't know, that's just. That's. That's a very good for you sort of situation. I just don't care that much about that. That does not inspire me. That does not motivate me. I know it wasn't easy, right? But it doesn't do those things. Okay, cool. You're that. But our need very often to make Jay Z into something bigger than just a rapper is how we wind these other spaces. Because if all we do is evaluate him and the quality of his music, it's a very interesting discussion. There's a lot of cool stuff that he's gotten done and gotten across. Right? He's done that. Anytime the moment it tries to go into something bigger, it's like, yep. No, no, no, no, no. Why don't you just get back to rap? But I want to rap.

[Jason Goff]

Chris Roxley and his next door neighbor is a dentist, right?

[Brian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, man,

[Jason Goff]

he ain't create teeth.

[Brian]

Hey, man, we don't need to. I don't need to talk to Ja Rule. You know what I'm saying? Where is Ja? It ain't an issue. I'm gonna make a transition. Now. There's no smooth way to do this, but I have something I wanna run by you. It's a story I've been looking at in the news and I've been bothered by the story and I wanna tell you why I'm bothered. And I'm curious whether you feel similar things. And I'm sure that you've seen the story.

[Jason Goff]

I'm glad you got your hands on this one.

[Brian]

Yeah. There's a gentleman, he's been accused of murder. He was in a car with three people and he was driving the car and he shot a guy in the passenger seat. Now, the gentleman is a cornhole player. He is a professional cornhole player. And if you don't know. Cornhole is where they take the bean bags and they throw them into boards that's got the holes in them.

[Jason Goff]

Right, his bags.

[Brian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. My brother's a big fan. They be playing it over outside the apartment. Okay. But the thing is, the gentleman is a quadruple amputee. He does not have hands, he does not have like full legs. And he is the one that has been accused of this murder. And allegedly he asked the people, after he shot the dude, he asked the people in the backseat to help him dispose of the body. And they said no, they would not help him dispose of the body. And I watched this report on CBS News and it was very stern and they were very straight faced as they was explaining what was going on. Like we have a case in wherever the hell it was. And they, they put on, they, they strained faces and they said that he was a quadruple ample amputee and all of these things. It took two minutes and then they broke and then they went to another story. And it's something that, like, my brother really conditioned me on this. And it's very important that I don't like his passive aggressive behavior. Right? Like, if you're gonna do the thing, do the thing. Okay? These people know good and goddamn well why that story made the CBS news. Okay? Everywhere that you've seen it, you know good and well why that story is out here. This is not news I can use. This is not information that is important to the world. There are many murders that take place every day. This is only in the news because they know that you will hear this story and you will find it uproarious. That is the only reason that this news has been presented to the world. But they don't present it as uproarious. No. Cuz they too classy. They too dignified. Right? No, it's just the facts. Joe Friday and his motherfucker telling you about how to do with no hands is out here smoking people. And don't, and by the way, don't even explain to you how exactly that's possible, because I know that when you hear that story, you're like, wait, I don't really understand what you're saying. He was driving a car and he shot a person. Wait, how can that happen? They don't tell you none of that. And they had the ability to tell people this because Jason put me up on game and I didn't realize this. It was videos all over the Internet of this dude, what he climbing trees and shooting and hunting and shooting people.

[Jason Goff]

Climbing trees with a rifle.

[Brian]

Climbing trees with a rifle. They didn't put any of that on TV because that would have gave the game away because they wouldn't have been able to make it to the end of the shot because they would have been busted out laughing right there on television if they had done that. And I just think that's messed up because they throwing that out here to the rest of us. Us. And they want us to talk about it. And I ain't trained in the news like that. I ain't got straight face practice. You understand what I'm saying? They think I'm supposed to come out here and talk about this horrible tragedy that took place, where a man that don't got no hands shot somebody and then was like, somebody come help me with the body. They after those people said, no. Did he say, well, it. I'll do it myself? I don't know. That's the news that I could use if I'm trying to understand what happened with that story. But, no, I'm supposed to put my money on the line behind this. Y' all betrayed us, journalistically speaking, not giving us the information that you had that we needed to draw a full conclusion because you cowards are afraid of spitting that real and telling the truth. And I gotta come out here and do it with a straight face. I gotta get out here and talk about this like I don't know why this story is a story. You know what I'm saying? Jason Goff over there, trying to hold it together. You realize the position that you put him in. Brian, put yourself on the screen right now. Right now. Look what they did.

[Jason Goff]

Look what they doing to y'.

[Brian]

All. Bo did this. So hopefully you won't have to go through this. This. I'm taking all. I'm keeping this in the road for everybody else, right? Because they put us here. They know this shit is hilarious. They know it.

[Jason Goff]

So. So. So.

[Brian]

And by the way, it's not anybody's fault that it's hilarious. We. I was given this world. I didn't make it to quote a. A great rapper. I'm not an idealist. I'm a realist. I take the world as it is.

[Jason Goff]

It'd be so dope if he had American Gangster playing in the tape deck. He's so dope. So. So this. This is what. This is one of those things. First of all, this is one of those things where, like, your news homies, like, sports is the toy department, right? This is like, one of those things when your News homies just slide a little something to you like. Like, take a look at that player. Tell me. Tell me what you think I can do with this, right? That story. First of all, I caught that story in the devil's lair, the devil's cauldron, which is the for you tab on. On X, right? Like, the for you tab for me is like, you know, you go and. You go and buy the old coffee shop, and you're like, oh, I'm gonna have a little. This. Little. This. Little this. Don't tell nobody I had any of this. Let's keep it moving. So it started to trickle out, right? The positioning, how the guy was actually in thoughts and prayers to that person. Absolutely right. But I immediately, when I read this, the headline, because it said quadruple amputee murder, right? So I'm like, headbutt is a hell of a way to go, right? Like, I immediately.

[Brian]

It was a fair point.

[Jason Goff]

Duh. See, you know, come on, man. We. We grew up in the. In the 80s, where you had to have an imagination as a kid, right? One all these goddamn screens. We had to. We had to.

[Brian]

You say. You say he out here playing gold. Now, let me tell you, he ain't got no. He ain't got no gag.

[Jason Goff]

Nah. Yo, hey, guess what's harder than my head? Nothing. Bang you out, right? I thought that's how it went. Then I come to find out he got folks in the back seat. In the back seat. And I don't know how much of a gangster or a punk you either gotta be to look at a quadruple amputee in the driver's seat and be like. And see him murder someone and be like, I ain't helping you with. Do you know how capable this man is? Do you know. Do you know if this man. You know, first of all, his name is Dewey, right? You know they call him Dew Drop in the hood, right? So. So you know the Dew Drop. If he climbing trees with rifles, what make you think he won't pull up in the most innocuous way and knock you out? Well, since homie did he, that he knocked off, too. That's the other thing. Like, I just want. At first, I'm like, man, they putting this on Dew Drop. Like, dude, Drop was in the back seat.

[Brian]

Well, here.

[Jason Goff]

Well, here.

[Brian]

How you know he was gangster? He would. How he be like, yo, I'll drive? Well, that's how, you know, he run things.

[Jason Goff]

This is the other thing. What if Dewdrop is the dd, right? Ah. And everybody a little sauced up. Everybody kicking it. And Dewdrop pull up mad, you know. Right. Obviously y' all didn't kicked it. What's going on? Everybody get in the car. One guy talk. We saw it in Dead Presidents. We saw it. I mean, man took his leg off. Still got that work on the ground like. I'm sorry, brother. And. And shout out to my man Mike B. From Tampa because I put it in my group chat. Sometimes I just put things in my group chat to see it explode and then come back eight hours later to see first thing my man Mike B. Said. And I'm with him. Hey, cats like this, front lines, front lines. You feel me? Listen, you could. You can either go to jail or we got some things that need handling overseas. I'm sorry. You put dew drop where you drop you anywhere. And you talk like if. If Denzel Washington could run around a Lowe's for six hours in two movies and kill people, man. Shout out to Dewey. I. I have never. I've never shouted out of mer. Well, I probably have, you know, but I've never shouted out a murderer in this way. That story, everybody knew what it was the moment they saw it. Like you said, everybody was laughing. Immediately shout out to all the real journalists out there who had to actually deliver this with a straight face. Yeah.

[Brian]

No, no, no, no, no, no. Because they. They. They was passing the buck. They. They left. They left out important stuff.

[Jason Goff]

But the thing like the things like murder, it serious it out for them in a way. You know what I mean?

[Brian]

Like, they could have told us more, but they was afraid. You know what else? Well, they kind of told us this. This has been lost in it, by the way. Rest in peace to the victim. Our buddy Dayton Weber, AKA Dewey. He going through it. Cuz I had seen that the murder victim's name was Bradrick. And they showed a picture, and I didn't think it was Dewey because it was next to a picture. It was a picture of Dewey in competition. And then it was a picture of Dewey now. And I thought they was two different people. And so I thought the second picture was the picture of the victim. And I was like, damn, white Bradrick. Hate it had to be you. But it turns out Bradrick is actually African American. Yeah.

[Jason Goff]

Yeah. And. And this is. Yo. So how can I put this? Your friend group can be as eclectic as you would like it to be. You know, it could have people from various backgrounds. If I'm the brother and I'm pulling up with a. Not only a. A quadruple amputee, but a famous one. Like the first thing I saw this was attached and people quote tweeted it because of the ESPN story that ran about this man, right, like the ESPN investigative, like you know, special report, like look at what this, this young man has gone through and look at how he is a cheese man. Hey yo, I guess that's why I keep my circle small, man, because at some point you know dew drop gonna go off, you know, you know you got these skills. He not only is a world renowned bags player but he is a hunter. Come on dog.

[Brian]

Hey, come on dog. Do you have any clue what I had to do to get here? I don't think you do. Ladies and gentlemen, that is Jason Goff. Check him out on the Athletic. Catch him in Chicago. You know what I'm saying? My brother, I appreciate you.

[Jason Goff]

I appreciate you as always. And I'll leave you with this brother. In the great words of sugar free, you got the same amount of time in the day as Dayton Webber. Don't choose to be nobody.

[Brian]

Ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us here on the right time. We do this four days a week. Ryan Brumbley handled everything behind the scenes. Thank you sir. Hit the voicemail line. 323-59-67767. Remember, follow the right time. Subscribe like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe that you are a hater and we'll talk to you guys in a couple of days. Take it easy.

[Jason Goff]

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